We can still pull a candle out of somewhere even capeless
@lucid silo I think we can summon candles by a jewel our skykids have on their chest, when a red candle is in their hands the jewel disappears
#lore-discussion-spoilers
quiet willow
hushed steeple
Yeah but maybe since diamonds have power our skin is some variant of coal that doesn’t burn
Bc power diamonds aren’t the same as regular diamonds obv
lucid silo
Switching topic. The kids pajamas kinda look like a Buddhist monk clothes
@lucid silo adding more to this
hushed steeple
And if u look closely when we collect wax it goes straight into the diamond on sky kids clothes...to power the diamond I presume
Idk just a theory 
hushed steeple
Yee
lucid silo
Oo poggers
hushed steeple
Yesss poggers indeed
lucid silo
Sky is poggers
quiet willow
Lol
hushed steeple
Indeed
proper mirage
yo has anyone figured anything out about these yet?
lucid silo
This is inside a child?
@quiet willow yep
I went into somewhere which was cramped and got that view
eager arch
@proper mirage They look like drawings of constellations- but most of them don’t match up with any constellations we’ve seen 
lucid silo
I could not not save a picture of it
proper mirage
the one in the picture looks like the isle elders staff tho lol
ornate olive
Maybe it's a map
proper mirage
i was thinkin that too
like maybe for the spirits or something but idk what itd be trying to say since its in the prarie
ornate olive
The one with two circles is where prairie is maybe
quiet willow
@quiet willow yep
@lucid silo wow, they have the old stars that was once on their capes before
eager arch
@proper mirage There’s more though- one in particular that I remember, from birds nest, looks a bit like Orion?
There aren’t any constellations like that yet
lucid silo
@lucid silo wow, they have the old stars that was once on their capes before
@quiet willow really?
ornate olive
Kinda looks like the cassiopeia constellation
lucid silo
That's cool (legau 
)
quiet willow
@quiet willow really?
@lucid silo yep, on the very start of the game, the stars on the capes was just like this
proper mirage
somewhat like the beta stars
its missing the ring around it
quiet willow
Yep
ornate olive
Where is the isle elder during the isle cutscenes?
eager arch
Almost Orion- has to scroll through so many pictures to get it 
fast jasper
pretty sure that stone thing is a beta memory
proper mirage
i think im late to realizing this but aAWHGAFSTAH ITS HIM
livid valley
Bru
proper mirage
bru
lethal stump
the 8 pointed star is what’s called the prophet’s symbol in arabic culture
proper mirage
what if the lil dude became king because he passed all the trials
ornate olive
The prince and king are separate entities I think
thin dirge
I believe they're the same
But in the concepts, the Prince flies out of the King's body, but I think that Corrupted King was formed from the dark stone that trapped the Prince
lethal stump
we don’t know for sure, Caesar
lucid silo
Has anyone completed prophecy yet?
I know people buy event candles but probably haven't 100% it
lethal stump
the constellation ? Why ?
there’s plenty of people who have 100%’ed the constellation
lucid silo
Im on 45% too!!
Ayyy
Thought I was on 30% something
there’s plenty of people who have 100%’ed the constellation
@lethal stump i havent seen it actually
Is it the one at the valley door?
lethal stump
is this lore related ?
lethal stump
lucid silo
ornate olive
Anyone have any interpretations on the elder cutscenes?
hushed steeple
i think im late to realizing this but aAWHGAFSTAH ITS HIM
@proper mirage oh my god
proper mirage
those two at the top are definitely the valley twins no doubt about it
i forgot to ask if anyone actually made any theories for the season lol
hushed steeple
Omg The one by the green star could be the prairie elder
i forgot to ask if anyone actually made any theories for the season lol
@proper mirage idk
ornate olive
Red is wasteland elder, green is the valley elder, yellow is prairie and blue is forest
There was a helpful infographic detailing the murals if I recall
I wonder if the fire trial has something to do with creatures of the dark
pseudo heart
I just woke up and jumped straight to this chat what the heck 
Lore is a lifestyle now I see
digital venture
What if it's just a bunch of crabs always yeeting themselves at you?
digital venture
I'm sorry I havent slept in awhile
ornate olive
Cause things look sketchy in the fire trial
pseudo heart
I haven't played it myself since I'm not in the beta progran but I have a very strong feeling I'll hate it 
ornate olive
At least in the trailers
pseudo heart
Ye
ornate olive
In the trailers it shows a huge dark orb
digital venture
I havent seen the trailers...
proper mirage
it looks like well burn in the fire trial according to the murals lol
digital venture
Oof
ornate olive
Well can't help but wonder what glorious way we'll die during it
pseudo heart
digital venture
What if there was a thing where if we already completed the trial before we get a shortcut through to the winged light if we want to
ornate olive
That's more for wishlist and ideas
proper mirage
are the murals supposed to be them finding the elements and taking them to the realms?
stark marten
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZUmN0wtetU - link to the trailer
proper mirage
dang beat me to it
ornate olive
I think the isle elder created them?
Or maybe the elders usurped the powers of the prophets and took away the elements for themselves
proper mirage
if the isle elder created them then he really just burned down a whole forest huh
ornate olive
I feel like that's just demonstrating the elements powers
ornate olive
I think bricky postulated that the flames burned away the forest in the golden wasteland
proper mirage
there was a forest there?
queen locust
i'd get the mural from under the Forest bridge but
I'm in a Meet call right now but I'm fairly certain that the temple depicted in that mural is the Wasteland temple
The flames WERE given to Wasteland Elder, it couldn't be just some coincidence
That it was a diamond production site as well backs this up in that they must have razed the forest to the ground to make way for the construction of the factories you find scattered in that realm
nevermind here it is
Though I doubt the Isle granddad gave that to Wasteland elder expecting something as disastrous as deforestation-
ornate olive
Maybe they harvested butterflies as well or something
The boats with pots seem to be coming from prairie
queen locust
Certainly
ornate olive
And it's also in the wave cutscene
ornate olive
So question is what did they do with the butterflies?
weak ledge
Eat?
queen locust
One popular theory is that they're juiced to make diamonds
The same way we think they took mantas there to get juiced
I've just been believing that they transported them like that for that purpose-
kinda wonder what the Butterfly Charmer thinks of the Laughing Light Catcher scooping them up for the light juice
hushed steeple
BUTTERFLY JUICE????
queen locust
yes my good man- butterfly juice
That's one of the theories present here anyway
lmao yeah that too
Considering they're beings of pure light I think those factories were just designed to concentrate that light into a container- the diamonds
hushed steeple
us: haha butterflies prettii so shiny
ancestors: butterfly juice go brrrr
queen locust
Maybe not created so much as it just deliberately hidden by someone, but that might just be me
Sanctuary looked to be rich in resources so it's weird to me that the place looks as preserved as it does
perhaps those bells were broken on purpose
Sanc dad, maybe?
We see in the Prairie villages that mantas are attracted to the sound of the bells
So those bells being broken in Sanctuary and scattered in peculiar spots could have been intentional
We like walls of text here lmao- easier to find
Anywho- I'll take what morsels of lore we can get from Sanctuary so I agree with how it might have come to be
Sanc's pretty out of the way but it did give us the Elder Manta
vapid bobcat
i wonder if the mantas have a larvae state, or a state before they are able to fly around
we know smol manta-> big manta-> extra big manta-> whale manta but what's before smol manta?
hmm
so they just spring out from water itself?
or maybe there are manta eggs in water
mmmmm manta eggs
maybe they can breath in water and in air
queen locust
who wants some scrambled manta for breakfast
vapid bobcat
maybe someday we might
i.. dunno either sweats
i think frogs are supposed to be amphibians...? and i know nothing else
queen locust
Amphibians yeah
proper mirage
arent there like itty bitty manta bird things
queen locust
Itty bitty manta bird thingies is now my new favorite way to describe them-
livid valley
what if its just a coincidence
queen locust
Sky takes inspiration from Ghibli films so I wouldn't put it past TGC to have incorporated those elements in because of that XD
sly kestrel
slides in
The vault at laputa with all the cubes was also an inspiration for the hidden archives at vault 
And
And
And
Reika made the bow tie cuz she loves kiki’s delivery service
ok now I’m off
meager canyon
Hahaha always late to the convo
pseudo heart
pspspspspspsp
meager canyon
:'(
pseudo heart
Dw I was late too
pseudo heart
Well then let's liven it up
So before the stars fell there were already people below right?
who are they
meager canyon
No, the stars fell and they made a kingdom
pseudo heart
But in the Isle murals
hushed steeple
I mean I could ask what kind of sounds you think Skids could produce since that’s relevant to a thing I’m working on but also requires basic knowledge of the International Phonetic Alphabet so
pseudo heart
It seems like there were people below already, who watched the stars fall?
hushed steeple
And yeah, the Ancestors were in Sky before the Elders were
meager canyon
The way I understand it in the beggining is that the stars fell and they made a kingdom ancestors after.
where did the ppl live if they came first? In the clouds where they fall to the ground?
pseudo heart
Hmmmm,,
meager canyon
If they came first, where did they come from?
pseudo heart
livid valley
megan made em
meager canyon
If megan made them first where would they live?
pseudo heart
Hmm
meager canyon
God made earth first not humans where would they live if god made humans first
grim kiln
@meager canyon I might actually have an answer regarding a theory I came up with the other day (having to do with where the people came from)
pseudo heart
Hmmm
chilly thunder
woo! yesterday i spoke in lore chat for the first time as a lore moff and jumped directly into a slightly intimidating rain debate. i am back again today, glad to join u all!
meager canyon
@grim kiln can u elaborate?
pseudo heart
Kskskdkdkksks omg welcome Kelei !!
meager canyon
@chilly thunder welcome kelei!
queen locust
Ay welcome kelei XD
meager canyon
Glad you are enjoying lore chat!
grim kiln
Aight so. In the opening cutscene it mentions the people falling from the stars to the clouds
ocean frost
ye
meager canyon
Oh so the people came with the kingdom?
chilly thunder
thanks for the welcomes guys!! yday was intimidating but fascinating,,, theorizing is fun :))
grim kiln
The people came from the stars, landed in the clouds and then they built up a kingdom in the clouds
ocean frost
Basically, I'm guessing that sky kids were stars tht fell through the clouds, and Eden is where they get sacrificed 😢
meager canyon
@chilly thunder haha beware this game is just like fnaf all over agian
pseudo heart
The clouds is earth, in a sense
chilly thunder
five nights at freddy's
queen locust
Five Nights At Freddy's
chilly thunder
i was too chicken to play that game;; but i appreciate the warning @meager canyon haha
pseudo heart
PIZZA PARLOR GAMEKEKEHHWS
meager canyon
The lore rots my brain and I love it
pseudo heart
Okay okay back to toebeans' theory
grim kiln
I’m still alive lmao
grim kiln
Aight so I basically developed a timeline of the history of the kingdom of Sky
We don’t know who sent the Sky Kids, but in the opening cutscene we do get information on the origin of the kingdom. So I think going through the realms in order is like tracing the kingdom’s history.
Isle of Dawn is barren and full of boats. Led by the Isle elder, the spirits (who are migrants) landed on the shores of Isle and decided to settle in the clouds.
That’s the start of the kingdom.
meager canyon
Question: if they where migrants where did they originally come from? the ground?
grim kiln
The stars, remember?
meager canyon
Oh okay......
chilly thunder
skykids! (and everyone i think)
queen locust
Were the Elders not the Fallen Stars that were being referred to in the intro
grim kiln
Yeah? Both Sky Kids and spirits came from the stars.
hushed steeple
I think the spirits and sky kids are the same, since they generally look the same and use capes
grim kiln
The elders are spirits tho
queen locust
Ancestors and Skykids are different from one another
pseudo heart
Yes yes
hushed steeple
oH
meager canyon
from that opening cutsene it said stars made the kingdom the all the ppl where made from megan, and the ppl built civilization from there, not everything was there,
grim kiln
anyway do I continue on-
queen locust
Nor can Skykids ever grow up into Elders
chilly thunder
who are the winged lights then??
queen locust
That's still just a theory though so take it with a grain of salt
Winged Lights I mean-
meager canyon
@hushed steeple no the prince. Maybe the king
chilly thunder
ack i feel bad for bringing it up now,, let's let toebeans continue
meager canyon
yeah
ocean frost
I think that the Elders were the oldest stars and built their own kingdoms
meager canyon
Toebeans cmon
grim kiln
Okay so on to Daylight Prairie. By then, the spirits are being led by the Prairie elder. The kingdom is starting to grow, and workers are needed to sustain it. As well as researchers (like the butterfly charmer and bird call dude) to keep the kingdom going. We can see in the yawn spirit’s workshop some of the items that appear in later areas, so this is possible.
@hushed steeple I go by she/they pronouns btw
It’s chill you didn’t know
grim kiln
In Hidden Forest, the spirits (led by Teth) are starting to realize the dangers of living in the clouds. Which is why all the spirits are angry, sad, chilly, etc. By now we can see things are starting to pick up a little.
grim kiln
When we hit Valley, we see the most structure out of any area. The spirits of that area (led by Sa and Mekh) try to take their minds off the dangers of the world by breeding a sort of competitive spirit in the people, at the same time preparing them for what is to come. The games make the people happy, but they also gauge their abilities.
I think Valley was the height of the kingdom actually
chilly thunder
KELEI
@pseudo heart yes??? what did u realize????
OH EDIT I REALIZE WHAT U REALIZE
sqx!!! from tgcf
chilly thunder
YES
pseudo heart
Osjwnskka wait lore
chilly thunder
(sorry will move to ... dm?)
wheat ether
what are the elders headcanon names?
meager canyon
It I understand where u are getting it after all one of the spirits in forest builds something in the trees but do you think they built it all by themselves? The trees? I don't think they have the power to do that even the matirelas to build Each realm, I belive the realms where there and the anscestors built it up, civilized it and lead my the elders of each realm. I'm not very sure who made the realms and the elders and the ancestors or what caused them but that's my theory, take it with a grain of salt.🙃 I also believe the ancestors are almost nothing like the humans (biology wise) when they where made I belive they where made to be fit to live in the clouds. I also believe wasteland was destroyed by forest in a war BC he was on the kings side but that's a whole nother theory
grim kiln
Well I’m not saying Teth built the trees or smth. They kinda influenced the areas around them, hence why the trees have no leaves (they’re all cut down)
They built structures, but natural stuff like trees and grass already existed before they arrived
meager canyon
Who do you think made them?
grim kiln
Idk. But let’s save that for after this train of thought lmao
meager canyon
Okay
grim kiln
Golden Wasteland is next on the list. Carrying the competitive nature left by the previous generation, Tsadi leads the spirits into battle against the growing darkness in an effort to protect their kingdom. But they’re ill-equipped to carry out their task despite all their weapons, hence why almost all the spirits are all afraid, injured, or somehow in a sort of lost state (like the Saluting Captain’s ship going down)
queen locust
Want the Elder names? You’re in luck! The letters in brackets are Hebrew letters, which the Elders are named after:
Isle: Daleth (ד)
Prairie: Ayin (ע)
Forest: Teth (ט)
Valley: Samekh (ס)
Wasteland: Tsadi (צ)
Vault: Lamed (ל)
Prince: Alef (א)
King: Resh (ר)
PLEASE NOTE: These names have appeared in concept art and are often used when referring to the elders. They are no longer canon, they are fanon.
grim kiln
Thanks @queen locust
Anyway, to Vault! What remained of the kingdom sealed themselves away in a safe place built long ago (likely by Teth’s group), filled with vast amounts of information. So the spirits, led by Lamed, do copious amounts of research to figure out what went wrong and how to stop it, picking up other skills like levitation along the way. Maybe they had a plan in mind, praying for help to come from the stars (and that help ended up being the Sky Kids)
meager canyon
How is Hebrew pronounced? He-be-ru or heb-rew
meager canyon
Oki thanks
queen locust
So- instead of the civilization coexisting in between each realm, the civilization is progressing through the realms?
meager canyon
Sorry for interrupting u toebeans 
please continue
grim kiln
@queen locust Yes!
meager canyon
I feel like the vault wasn't made last I feel like the most important things are there and only the most trusted can enter
grim kiln
Eye of Eden represents the kingdom dying out at long last. Resh and Alef are all that’s left, and they, too, beg the stars for help. They send down a first wave of Sky Kids, who die trying to save Resh and Alef. The winged lights are the light that the Sky Kids carried, scattered around the long-abandoned ruins.
meager canyon
we collect WL tho
grim kiln
only to give it back to the Sky Kids at the end
meager canyon
you mean the fallen?
grim kiln
yes, those are the Sky Kids I’m referring to
meager canyon
Oh I don't really agree with your theory but your are very well onto something here.
grim kiln
The second wave of Sky Kids is where ours came from. It’s too late to save Resh and Alef since they’re already long dead, so our goal is to bring back the Sky Kids we lost.
Yet in finding the spirits, we take them along with us when we go up to Orbit.
Which is why we find the elders in Orbit as well
junior robin
grim kiln
We gave them enough light to return to the stars (which is why we give them all a flame and why we light the spirits)
meager canyon
though this is not confirmed, I believe the WL are parts of the princes soul, is kingdom was in despair and he was willing to give his soul to the Fallen, but he died before he was able to. So he scattered his soul hoping it gets found by sky kids and used to revive the fallen (his people) but I believe the king wasn't as faithful to his kingdom and all we wanted was power and fame, when his people wanted to basnish him he tured them into the fallen using the corrupt diamonds (the red rocks)
meager canyon
Niceeew
I feel like putting all your theorys up here is more organized then in ur thoughts
grim kiln
I agree! Plus others can take it and build off it
ornate olive
The ancestors were there before the elders I'm pretty sure
Considering the first isle mural shows them worshipping the stars
The fallen star insignia is the same design as the elders symbol
grim kiln
The way I see it, the ancestors (if the seasonal spirits are what you’re referring to) came along with the spirits and elders, but settled elsewhere and did their own thing. They probably worshipped the stars as a reminder of where they came from.
queen locust
I agree with Caesar actually, the Ancestors are never depicted s having fallen from somewhere
Might just be me but I believe it was only through the influence of those Elders that they've progressed at all
Elders fell, made themselves a home in the clouds- amongst those Ancestors
meager canyon
Now alot of ppl have different theorys on the diamonds, I believe since teth was a blacksmith, she originally found out a way to merge darkness and light to make diamonds. She gave her creation to the king and the king gave it to the rest of the realms to use for doors and such. But then the king got greedy and wanted to extend the power of gems. He used them to make bad things and teth was against him. But the wasteland elder was on his side. (Explains the elder symbol on his shield) I'm not sure who's sides the other elders are though. I'm guessing on teths side (vault not included BC she is making sure the vault information doesnt get into the wrong hands.)
King mad machines to make the diamonds. He gave them to tsadi that explains the pipes. Then about the destruction of wasteland .teth put war against wasteland explaining why you see forests symbol on flags and why some spirits (the one with the horn) sent a signal looking like he sent a signal in war and some ppl looked like in despair BC they where the ppl of wasteland.
But thats just a theory. A GAME THEORY
This took me half an hour 😅 if I continue my entire theory it would take another hour so I'll stop here take it with a grain of salt or 2
grim kiln
There’s so many conclusions we can come to here
meager canyon
@grim kiln ? Where
grim kiln
I don’t need sleep, I need answers
Just in general. All the different ways you can think about the timeline and dynamics between the elders and spirits.
meager canyon
Hm
queen locust
you need sleep to get answers
meager canyon
Sorry for the block of text 😂
queen locust
Lmao no worries- blocks are yummy
meager canyon
:)
grim kiln
It’s easier to bite into a big block of that tasty lore theory
meager canyon
:))))
queen locust
I actually still just believe that Teth and Tsadi were on the same side of that war- if there ever was one
Lamed being a neutral party I can take though
meager canyon
Yeah
queen locust
Mostly it has to do with how I've interpreted the symbols they used-
Diamonds being a pro-diamond force and Suns who didn't agree with the use of diamonds
Teth not being on the side who utilizes the things she uses to great effect bugs me a bit idk
meager canyon
The fact that the symbols for forest are in wasteland that is destroyed also that a spirit used A war horn ik there was a war there
queen locust
I'm not disagreeing with you on the war part- just the part where Teth and Tsadi were on opposing sides
meager canyon
The fact that there where king statues in waste land tells me tsadi was on kings side and since there was evidence that teth was there and part in its destruction I feel like they are on different sides or teth is confused on what side he was on And thought he was in kings side 👀
sly kestrel
There’s also evidence he was against him as well
meager canyon
How?
queen locust
Yep- that too- that Tsadi uses both shields has just been a sus topic
sly kestrel
Also, may I ask that u use the normal elder names
It’s confusing for new people and not everyone likes having to memorize concept fanon names jus to understand people
Like wasteland elder
Forest elder
Isle elder etc..
queen locust
So if they were on opposing sides I at least don't think that the Wasteland Elder would be on the King's side
or at least have stayed on there
meager canyon
It is possible tsadi wanted to talk this out, no violence. And teth thought he was in kings side. Maybe he didn't have sides he just wanted peace
meager canyon
@queen locust yes I think he changed sides I forgot to put it in
ornate olive
In the concept art the wasteland soldiers fought creatures of light
Not sure how much they let in of that
meager canyon
This goes with tsadi's personality too the big but soft personality thing that tsadi has
queen locust
aight we're gonna have to drop the concept names I think XD
sly kestrel
That’s an old concept that isn’t used anymore
War on creatures isn’t a thing In the current story unless it’s a head canon u have
sly kestrel
Back when....the prince was such a cruel person 
ornate olive
Well the vault mural kind of connects to that
sly kestrel
This is the old concept on the war of creatures
They were innocent of course, but they despised the king’s ideas and...yeah
But now there’s nothing that implies that they still had a war with the creatures
There’s no battle evidence at the graveyard and at the battlefield where the temple is, there’s no creature corpses
There’s a possibility that they fought krill and they were some dark and abnormal creatures that needed to be defeated
But there’s also a possibility that they were created and used as guard dogs, if u pay attention to the krill movement
ornate olive
I'm kind of curious what caused all the destruction in the factory
celest spoke
That reminds me— why is there an empty round platform behind GW elder’s statue? It’s not quite like a diamond press, maybe more reminiscent of Citadel
daring geyser
has anybody wondered what this thing is in forest?? I remember trying to burn it in my moth days
celest spoke
Rainbow clock, Pacific Time iirc
ornate olive
Which one are u talking about
@sly kestrel the one with the diamond press
queen locust
If it's the one in the first krill area then it might be just that-
I dunno if one krill is enough to cause that much damage on its own tho- might have had help from the ones in Graveyard
lucid axle
Hello I presume spoilers are allowed here looking athe channel name so I have a question, what do y'all think about this constellation? Like right next to me
The one that looks like three spirits
queen locust
Leftover from beta if I remember correctly
neat fractal
Are those 3 children or 3 skids? Or they just the same thing and I'm dumb xd
queen locust
Me too but sadly Oreo's just an easter egg
queen locust
Kinda like those actual easter eggs in Forest
And the entirety of Office being an easter egg
ornate olive
Oreo is the true supreme god of the sky universe
proper mirage
oreo is megabird
steady token
queen locust
Lmao sorry to disappoint- we love Oreo don't worry XD
ornate olive
Ok here some food for though regarding oreo
Oreo has white and black coloration
It symbolizes the dichotomy that exists currently in the sky universe between light and dark
The pattern is uneven because just like the transfer of light it is not a clean cut process
hushed steeple
Oreo is imposter
neat fractal
Amio sus
queen locust
why is it that every time I see Amio's profile pic I see the gates of hell
proper mirage
ITS IS DRIVING ME INSANE
IS THE DUNKLES AND MANTAS RELATED???
neat fractal
Dunkles?
proper mirage
sorry i had a stroke there for a second
hybrid oxide
No I think
proper mirage
lemme find a pic of one real quick
queen locust
what in Eden is a dunkle
hushed steeple
U mean 
?
neat fractal
Dunkin Donuts
ornate olive
Oh a whale lol
neat fractal
Is dunkle the official name or sth?
proper mirage
definitely not lol
neat fractal
Oh lmao
queen locust
I find it hilarious that this grand thing is nicknamed Dunkle
hybrid oxide
From Dunkleosteus I persume?
proper mirage
DINKLE?.?
hushed steeple
They're natural creatures of sky rather than light or dark creature
ornate olive
Dunkle means dark in german so I figured it was a krill or something
Oh wait slight spelling difference
proper mirage
i made the nickname up
but ya its from dunkleosteus
ornate olive
Maybe it evolved an armored head to ram through buildings
proper mirage
specifically buildings?
ornate olive
The one in forest completely demolished a building
queen locust
was it not Orbit-
proper mirage
rip dunkle
queen locust
rip the building it wrecked
ornate olive
Imagine you're a spirit chilling at home and this whale just busts through the wall
Also wait
The thing that jumps out of the water in sanctuary isn't one of these guys right
queen locust
you'd probably see it coming a mile away- home has no walls-
proper mirage
ya its different
queen locust
And no- that was an Elder Manta
ornate olive
I see
proper mirage
aka dunkle-ray
supple solar
Can someone explain the dog thing? The dog summon that no one seems to be able to summon
pseudo heart
It has nothing to do with the lore sjajjdd just a fun egg
proper mirage
its an easter egg lol
queen locust
memes aside Oreo is an Easter Egg
ornate olive
I think it's one of the devs dogs
supple solar
that’s adorable
ornate olive
Maybe oreo is the king??
After the king fell from eden they took their remaining power and shifted into a cute dog
supple solar
Like Gunther from adventure time except replace king with alien and dog with penguin
ornate olive
Either way oreo sadly doesn't have much to do with lore
supple solar
👌
queen locust
Wait a sec- if the whales are natural creatures then how are we seeing one rising in Ascencion
Were light creatures not the only creatures we were supposed to be seeing ascend?
gilded fossil
/wdym oreo has nothing to with lore hes the narrator!!
neat fractal
Imagine if the narrator at the beginning had a voice..and turned out to be just barking with captions on screen
gilded fossil
/yoooo
/viridi
/i think your onto sth
/the whale could be are dark creature
/but the krill would be unnatural creature
queen locust
Krill I think are just not gonna be able to go whatsoever
If I were to take into consideration how they're made at least
If they really were born from the mishandling of the elements like we've gone over a few times now then I doubt krill are ever able to ascend
But the whales being a natural creature is sus
I think it's strange that we see a whale instead of say- one of the bigger mantas
Unlike the Ancestors who were natural creatures that we played a hand in letting them ascend, the whale is just really weird to me
or maybe I'm just looking too much into this and Ascension isn't limited to simply light creatures-
spring blaze
i think whale is considered a light creature even though it can hurt us
like it doesnt intentionally hurt us like the krills and crabs. we just happen to bump into them and it cant see us from its fat long body
pseudo heart
Wait the whale can hurt u???
sly kestrel
@sly kestrel the one with the diamond press
@ornate olive ahhh I see
May I ask where u got that phrase tho “diamond press”
willow bear
The office hostess seems so wierd. Who else invites bunch of children to krills?
spring blaze
megan
sly kestrel
to me I think the office is the dev’s playground where they host events and stuff
Like that giant robot
I’m still confused where that came from, I thought it was a game reference but there isn’t any tgc game out there with a robot like that
fast jasper
found out they sorta get the light from the creatures
chrome aurora
I jus wanna see the king :(
queen locust
Good news there's propaganda of him all over Wasteland XD
chrome aurora
I mean. Like
I need king lore
I am starved of king lore
Acknowledgement in game
patent veldt
Hmmmm
Throughout the whole game , I have seen white mantas and there cosmic forms but I have never seen the white form of cosmic jellos.
chrome aurora
Where do you think skykids came from?
The non-cosmic jellyfish metamorphosed into them
chrome aurora
Yes
Jokes aside I think the jellyfish are just naturally transparent
Or maybe the non-spirit jellies all died off?
patent veldt
There are bunch of islands faraway from the home area.
orchid field
couple of them are cutscene islands
gilded fossil
/henlo henlo what we be talking about?
static herald
is ||eye of eden resets|| before the ts leaves or after?
peak ore
normally the ts leaves 24 hours after the eden reset
gilded fossil
/uh
peak ore
but with the end of daylight savetime idk if it's gonna be 1 hour more or less... anyway plenty of time to do Eden again
oops sorry for wrong channel
gilded fossil
/thats not lore?
peak ore
yes, sorry I thought I pressed seasonal chat 
static herald
My bad! I was sure im in #questions-and-help
dense umbra
Lore behind krills coming out of the toilet krills exist in real life & tgc is trying to warn us 🚽😂
broken basin
Yeah, so he's not just a random maniac trying to purify water like i thought
broken basin
That makes me think of other spirits were Also some sort of professionals in their things
gilded fossil
/we need more enchatment TSSSSSS
broken basin
Yeah,
Double benefits, i get to save Candles, and we get to have lore hints
gilded fossil
/not for the cosmestics, i dont like some of enchantment
broken basin
Then maybe the crab Spirit was a zoologist?
broken basin
No,
Crab whisperer is the one from lightseekers i think
You know, how people try to imitate animals' movements to make them think they're one of them, so that they calm down
broken basin
Maybe, they were thinking of them as food?, Simce they needed it
hushed steeple
Yeah i tried too when I got crab walk emote
gilded fossil
/nah
broken basin
Even the spirit tried amio, 😔 but he too, failed
gilded fossil
/did we pollute the water as well as taking?
hushed steeple
No
gilded fossil
/huh
broken basin
So,
Nod was a muralist
Snooze was a construction worker?😅
Crab dance was maybe a zoologist or just a random idot
Scare was a farmer or more so, an 'Agriculturist'
Shrug was an alchemist
I think Playfight was a mycologist? Since she was finding mushs.? But idk, her temper quick tho
.
Playfight was an "angrologist"
gilded fossil
/well crab walk was messing with play fights mushrooms
broken basin
Wait, it was the scare who was with playfight iirc
Which makes sense since he was a farmer too, (kind of same field)
fast jasper
you mean the funky spook guy?
broken basin
Yeah
I think official names of these spirits will give us a lot of lore clues, since their name has their profession
gilded fossil
/wait really?
/iirc someone said crab walk was put in time out because the guy was messing so much
/time out in the caves
broken basin
It was scare, i can remeber, due to that Wizard hat
hushed steeple
Well imo crabs were not became hostile cause ancestors took waters
I think it's because of darkness they became hostile... Most likely what happened with crabs... And the water we see got reduced probably because of the darkness?
A theory how the water level got reduced:- we know the time do change before eden accident.. means the world do rotate around its axis.. so maybe after the eden accident the world rotation paused with the weatherand time changing on it.. most likely wasteland got dry summer time so most of waters there got vaporized
Warning :- thousand grammatical mistakes
broken basin
Credits to nastymold
broken basin
Poor guy
broken basin
Maybe that's just the bright lighting of Sanctuary
gilded fossil
/wait a second,....would that mean krills are probably white as well?
/since
/gw makes things darker
hushed steeple
No
broken basin
Well, but it won't make white black
hushed steeple
Remember the canon name ?
Dark dragon
broken basin
Krill in office when seen coming out of the toilet is still dark black
I guess this explains it
gilded fossil
/amio that short answer plus the pfp is creeping me out
/flip 5 dark creatures tho
broken basin
Dark creature crabs
hushed steeple
Happy Halloween
broken basin
Not just "dark creatures"
Krill in office when seen coming out of the toilet is still dark black
I guess this explains it
Also, see this jen
gilded fossil
/yeaaaaaa tho
broken basin
What's tsadi doing?
Giving the wisdom of fire trial/orange light but what's that thing to which he's giving it?
Looks like a king statue but that diamond in they middle?
undone harbor
Maybe so,or that might be the vault of knowledge
cobalt flare
/a shield perhaps
pseudo heart
I think he's just bringing it to the GW temple?
hybrid oxide
Why do I think it's a lantern
pseudo heart
But which lantern??
cobalt flare
/the floaty ones in vault?
short owl
Hey so you know how Spike's hair covers their missing eye but Hill's doesn't? Do you think Spike is self concious about it?
short owl
Maybe hill is slightly better at most athletics and social negociation so spike feels second rate
cobalt flare
/that's sounds like angst material ngl
short owl
So... Nickname checks out
short owl
What's also interesting is Hill's hairstyle frames the missing eye
cyan dune
Whatever happened to the giant diamond at the end of our journey?
After the fallen were restored, they flew towards the diamond, but then the view swapped to us ascending while the castle in the mountain was crumbling down.
patent veldt
@hushed steeple you speak my name , you summon meh
undone harbor
The diamond just
Stays there
We're stuck in an never-ending circle of death and rebirth
patent veldt
Who summoned this mighty ancient being Kairyū?!
solar relic
that depends on how you see it
rebirth could simply be a game mechanic to replay all over again
or we're meant to rebirth as part of the lore
also you still see the diamond exploding in the cutscene with your saved statues, but then again it's not our objective to stop that diamond from exploding
but rather to just give back our light and send the elders back to orbit
cyan dune
I see..
peak nimbus
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hushed steeple
My dream cape FINALLY
sacred rapids
don't you guys think it weird we don't see any bones of the ancestor spirits?
cyan dune
Also, what would happen if the giant out-of-control diamond in eden DID explode?
Or I mean, get destroyed?
solar relic
what if the ancestors just
poofed into thin air
that was how sublime the destruction was
... that was a bad joke
thorn coral
also you still see the diamond exploding in the cutscene with your saved statues, but then again it's not our objective to stop that diamond from exploding
@solar relic
Wait what
solar relic
yes
you still see the diamond exploding
hold on
from my first eden run ever wahaha
solar relic
we don't know, but maybe?
but even if you stop the diamond the whole place would still be in ruins 😔
cyan dune
Right..
late canopy
just a quick question, does the office NPC (the one with cyan cape) have a name?
I'm asking here bc I guess it's a more specific question and the lore people know eveything
solar relic
lore people don't know everything actually we know as much as everyone else
the office npc's name is paul btw LOL
late canopy
thank you!
short owl
wait when did they get named paul?
solar relic
not sure when but i know ash said it i think
queen locust
Man i missed corpse talk
Or did I- I just always thought that when we relive an Ancestor's memory we burn their corpse
Somehow they're always kneeling
cyan dune
Kneeling and covered with rocks
queen locust
Then again there's Tearful Light Miner
Idk if they buried their companions' corpses but they did put down graves
quasi inlet
What happens if we gather all the lights?
My friend was able to see the light as well.
lucid silo
@lucid silo I think we can summon candles by a jewel our skykids have on their chest, when a red candle is in their hands the jewel disappears
@quiet willow I did a test while in orbit as I was capeless there so it was easier to see
And god, the skykid after putting the candle away just patting their chest is so cute
Like, grabbing the light to put it inside themselves
hushed steeple
I thought we (Jen) already discussed about the candle thing
silver forge
What happens if you do stop the diamond?
lucid silo
Wdym by stop the diamond
I thought we (Jen) already discussed about the candle thing
@hushed steeple bahaisiwnvwgwh I brought it up yesterday because I asked what the skykids were made of
frail hearth
I guess the rock rain would stop but the place would be completely destroyed
meager canyon
oh look my favorite karasuno member is Here
pseudo heart
Hello what are we lore-ing about today
Went to general sky discussion for the first time,,,, so overwhelming
Oh Eden rock rain??
cyan dune
Let’s see.. Corpses of Ancestors..
What happens when you actually stop the giant diamond in eden...
pseudo heart
Then the storm in stormlock would disappear ig
Since it's what's causing the winds I think?
cyan dune
And a continuation of the skid having a diamond on their chest where their candle is
pseudo heart
Oh I thought we discussed about the ancestor corpses yesterday? What about it specifically??
cyan dune
Since it's what's causing the winds I think?
Yeah, the storm.
Oh I thought we discussed about the ancestor corpses yesterday? What about it specifically??
Or did I- I just always thought that when we relive an Ancestor's memory we burn their corpse
Somehow they're always kneeling
Then again there's Tearful Light Miner
Idk if they buried their companions' corpses but they did put down graves
- ViridiAve
delicate coral
Does it make sense for those to be their physical corpses? In terms of location I mean?
Take the heroic stance spirit for example - that would imply that they either died on top of the mountain after the spirit memory, or that they went back there following the memory and then died there
short owl
I mean... The place may be completely destroyed, but it would finally be in a good enough state to rebuild
delicate coral
hm this prompts an interesting thought - did the spirit memories we see perhaps occur directly before whatever apocalyptic event happened in sky?
maybe that's been a suggestion I've missed because I haven't been around in the past few days
short owl
I suspect not, especially if you look at the seasonal spirits were doing
delicate coral
hm yes seasonal spirits do complicate that theory, good point
cyan dune
Someone DID say that those memories are the ones that the spirits remember vividly, whether good or bad.
short owl
Sanctuary spirits all had memories that involved the quest giver, so it doesn't make sense for all of them to have died immediatly after.
pseudo heart
pastel brookBOT
Maybe one day I can be a real ghost! 
pseudo heart
omg here too #??#(**?
cyan dune
pseudo heart
So our question here is,, when did our ancestors' memory happen?
short owl
Skybot drove us a bit wild during early prophecy
pastel brookBOT
What lies in wait for you can only be overcome by ||sneep||
delicate coral
I'm still upset that skybro's prophecy messages weren't lore
cyan dune
Some of them look like were before tragedy while others are during it.
Especially those in GW
pseudo heart
Maybe they just all died at the same time skkeuejwkak
short owl
I wonder if any gw memories were after it...
cyan dune
hushed steeple
barks
lethal stump
the TS’s name in french is translated as “indifferent alchemist” and i went crazy before realizing french translations aren’t canon
pseudo heart
cyan dune
I’m not the ping culprit 
short owl
They may not be cannon, but the way translations are commonly done may mean that they are more of a hint than you may think
delicate coral
Okay so I've thought about the chronology of how things would have to work out if we suppose that the bodies are actually ancestor corpses. I think in order to feasibly fulfil that and not have it just be a weird coincidence where they all died at the same time for some reason, the ancestors must have had advance notice that the whole apocalypse thing was coming. If they already knew that they were doomed, perhaps they each then returned to the location of their strongest memory for their final moments, and that's why their corpses are located near the memories we see... maybe.
That's the conclusion I see as reasonable if we assume that the bodies are for sure their physical corpses
short owl
Usually translators are given the terms and a context that goes along with it. This helps prevent accidental translations that suggest someone ate a block rather than an apple (spanish for apple and Spanish for block are apparently the same thing?)
So... That means that however TGC described the spirit in their translation documentation led to each of the spirits translated names. In theory, we may be able to take the common threads between the translations to figure out what TGC told the translators about the spirits.
willow shoal
translator is mindless
ornate olive
But I mean these aren't crazy texts they're translating
It should just be a simple case of adjective and a noun
willow shoal
never mind I’m just kidding 
ornate olive
I wouldn't think you'd need context to translate indifferent alchemist
short owl
The shorter the text, the longer the context
willow shoal
u know in CN version the translation is sometimes mindless
ornate olive
The shorter the text, the longer the context
@short owl I don't see how that makes any sense
Besides they literally give us the memory of the alchemist
If we never saw any memories then maybe you'd give the translators some context
But in this case it's self contained within each memory
short owl
When you have a nice long sentance, you can clear up inconsistencies by looking at the rest of the sentance. But if I were to ask you to translate "date", you would need me to tell you if I mean the noun or the verb. And if I ment the fruit, then you would REALLY want that context text
ornate olive
Yeah but that doesn't apply in his case
Were given the person and were given the memory
ornate olive
And how do you know this?
short owl
I have something completely different that needs to be prepared for translation
So I have at least experienced one way of doing it
ornate olive
That doesn't matter though
Regardless of how they tell the translators
You're not going to name it krill slayer or something
delicate coral
I don't understand, is there a difference in the translations? Brick said that it translates in french as "indifferent alchemist", and that's the name I see too... did I miss something 
ornate olive
That's what I see as well
pseudo heart
Same?
ornate olive
Tgc isn't going to go around letting translators confuse the playerbase
pseudo heart
Is it different for others??
delicate coral
Oh, brick's version of sky is in french
I suppose he just isn't aware that that's also the english name
?
solar relic
you have to change your phone language
if you want to be safe on the most "accurate" translations use the chinese/japanese languages since they are done in-house
other languages may have also gotten explanations and contexts for translations in sky but even so, there have been localisation improvements in patched for few of the languages that have been done outside office
delicate coral
hiya res 
solar relic
yo nice name dropman
delicate coral
lol thanks, likewise!
ornate olive
Ok yeah the Chinese and german translations are all the same
delicate coral
I think that when we're talking about this particular translation it's also pretty important that we use accurate wording, because 'indifferent' is something we know to have a deeper meaning in the concepts
ornate olive
The Chinese term they used seemed more akin to cold
Like giving the cold shoulder type
But then again my mandarin is a bit rusty
solar relic
the shrug does kinda give off a feel of "eh, whatever!" or "huh, why should i care?"
delicate coral
yes indeed, it might not be relevant in the game as we know it today (it could just be the word 'indifferent' in a literal sense), but it's still perhaps something to keep in mind just in case it's significant
solar relic
rogue scholars rogue scholars rogue scholars 
hushed steeple
I had a theory that the Twins where one person but they where separated
Please ignore, if you wanna
ornate olive
I had a theory that the Twins where one person but they where separated
Please ignore, if you wanna
@hushed steeple anything to support that theory?
solar relic
in one of the japanese livestreams it mentions that the twins have always been twins though
ornate olive
But it is strange that they always refer to the twins as one person
Unless the elder name is more of a title
sturdy moon
Maybe they're the same person in two different bodies?
ornate olive
And both of them share it
hushed steeple
Yeah
delicate coral
iirc they were conjoined, I think I remember there being images showing that each of them has half prosthetic limbs?
hushed steeple
They have a prosthetic arm
ornate olive
Dang the elders got some good surgeons
hushed steeple
And I noticed that they have one eye
junior robin
Ok what are y'all loreing about 
sturdy moon
elder twins
junior robin
solar relic
i think the canon doc got updated it doesn't say the twins have always been twins anymore i guess it's a translation error? (as in the error is that the twins have always been twins)
ornate olive
That suggests they were born
junior robin
Elder twins having prosthetic limbs?
hushed steeple
The Twins eyes, its like theyre separated....
junior robin
I don't make sence so I go scroll up and read
hushed steeple
But the hairstyle, imagine their hairstyle fused
delicate coral
#lore-discussion-spoilers message here is the prosthetic thing, from Raf
#lore-discussion-spoilers message and more from tebkanlo
junior robin
OMG
hushed steeple
Yes, like that
junior robin
Thanks
hushed steeple
I noticed that
ornate olive
Idk if it's just my phone but whenever I click links like that nothing happens
solar relic
i personally think that megan decided to give them half of a pair
like
maybe they have one eye each, one working arm each
why? i think megan wanted them to cooperate because they probably fight a lot so they have to rely on each other
ornate olive
Is it confirmed that's a prosthetic?
solar relic
not confirmed in the doc at least
hushed steeple
It looks like a prosthetic arm.
solar relic
it just looks very prosthetic-like
willow shoal
megan split the valley elder into twins
grim kiln
ornate olive
Seems a bit direct
willow shoal
the reason is what i’m interested in
ornate olive
If Megan can do that why not just fly down and pick up all the light
hushed steeple
Wait, have you ever noticed the eggs in Forest?
solar relic
i see as more of a 2-in-1 pack kinda thing, like you have two juice boxes sold as one pack
get your 2-in-1 elder pack at just 99.99 sky dollars today
those are literally easter eggs
hushed steeple
Yes
willow shoal
I know the eggs
delicate coral
about that translation thing from the lore doc, I'm relying on google to translate for me but it says in the livestream "they are twins in the first place", so I would interpret that as meaning they were always twins
hushed steeple
But the eggs tho, whats in those?
delicate coral
My japanese is very rudimentary though so idk
ornate olive
Easter bunnies
junior robin
solar relic
we can ask mochi if we ever see them around for clarification on the translations
willow shoal
so question is, who’s the eagle
ornate olive
The dead bird in valley?
willow shoal
we know one thing at least, the Dawn elder was an eagle at first
willow shoal
just this
solar relic
no isle elder was actually a vulture haha
hushed steeple
lol i though that Teth was saving them for snacks But,an Eagle in a rainy forest? The Eagle be dead now
willow shoal
i haven’t found any connection between these things
solar relic
might have gotten inspiration from sky burials in tibetan culture
delicate coral
isle elder was what now?
hushed steeple
Vulture? That explains the dessert
junior robin
Teth snacc, teth hammer, teth scary- but teth pretty
ornate olive
Lol you should see the old wasteland elder design
willow shoal
Daleth
ornate olive
That's some nightmare fuel
hushed steeple
Half corrupted
delicate coral
Oh, the concepts
delicate coral
lol I was real confused for a second there
hushed steeple
I heard that they planned the Wasteland cutscene that he will sacrifice himself to the krills
willow shoal
u can have a look on 7 days of Sky in twitter
hushed steeple
Res u fast
junior robin
Wait what-
solar relic
yeah wasteland elder was going to sacrifice themselves to the darkness in order for skids to advance, but that was in concept art, didn't make it to pre-global in the end though it would have been great angst potential and would rip my heart out
junior robin
hushed steeple
Vulture
ornate olive
Isle vulture looks like it eats skids for breakfast
junior robin
OMG
willow shoal
he may be a guide for kids
fallen epoch
I’m back!
junior robin
Vulture granpa lays eggs?
hushed steeple
Vulture granpa lays eggs?
@junior robin how can Daleth lay eggs-
junior robin
Ok nope those eggs ain't vultures
ornate olive
Creatures of light are born from orbit
solar relic
idk if this helps but
about the tibetan burial thing i was wondering if that's the inspiration for isle's concept art version vulture. jhator in tibet is when bodies are left to be eaten by animals, particularly vultures as a sort of 'mercy'. said that the vultures will carry up the body souls up into the sky (and maybe into heaven/whatever equivalent of an afterlife up in the sky). i wonder if that's what isle elder was supposed to be doing at first?
hushed steeple
If u mean those eggs in forest ... those are literally Easter egg and not connected to lore
Those were for a beta quest named "visit the eagle nest in forest"
Note:- there's no eagle in sky.. not in present nor was in past..
junior robin
Oh thank you
ornate olive
The whale probably kamikazied the building
hushed steeple
Probably teth's friend that whale was (according to Twitter post of sky concept doc)
junior robin
Ohhh
hushed steeple
Teth being friends with a whale... Imagine a crying Teth
Well, i gtg
See ya!
She suffers a lot lol
Teth: angsty elder
Bye ~
Concept
ornate olive
Feel like the dead whale in the forest is a bit too small
The one in the hidden place though might be
That could explain why it's still alive
hushed steeple
It's a concept art ..we don't know which whale exactly it's referring
junior robin
More of Twitter concept art y'all probably already seen this maybe-
bitter shale
Mmm i mean the next image of that depict teth on the whale tho
bitter shale
Oh wait
What animal does the skeleton near forest temple belong to?
ornate olive
Whale
junior robin
Turtle head whale 🐋
bitter shale
What if
That whale skeleton was Teth's whale?
junior robin
I forget what u call it
hushed steeple
Aye this cropped pic.. teth is riding on the whale
bitter shale
Indeed
junior robin
bitter shale
AlsoTeth was a Lynx
fathom badge
hushed steeple
9 tail
bitter shale
You got what i mean
hushed steeple
Ok im back whats happening
junior robin
Yes
hushed steeple
Probably
bitter shale
Also lads
Do you think the trials depict each realms condition?
Water trial depict Forest condition with darkness water. Earth Trial depict Prairie with floating islands and stones. Air trial depict Valley with Ice platforms and winds
@junior robin yep
hushed steeple
Ya 4 in front.. and 5 in back
junior robin
I have 24 hearts left to complete that constellation and get that hair-
Oh wow
Lynx
Issa cute- cat
i imagine teth lynx version with a smug look on her face
hushed steeple
9 tailed Elder Fox Teth. Now this is getting outta hand-
bitter shale
Maybe the trials already existed
As longa s the elements existed
Think about this. Elements exist, and to gain it one need to go through difficulties to proof that they are worthy enough to handle the elements
Doesnt taht mean the trials already existed since elements existed too?
willow shoal
so each trial connects with a realm?
i’m quite confused
maybe all the puzzles will be solved after the fire trial
bitter shale
Mmmm
Think of its like the trials and the elements already exist long long before the stars fell.
The trials are located on pocket dimensions where each elements stored and influence those pocket dimension into the elements liking (air got ice and wind, water is archiphelago style, earth is floating rocks, fire is inside a dark sphere)
So when the elders got the elements, those elements influence each elder realms
ornate olive
From the trailers fire trial looks questionable
willow shoal
||Fire trial is in fire ||
bitter shale
Water influence Forest as rain, Earth influence Prairie as floating islands, Air influence Valley as ice and wind, and Fire (probably) influence Wasteland as Ooze and darkness creatures
hushed steeple
Trial of fire is not out in live yet ?
bitter shale
Yeh
Im writing this based on teh teaser
Since ita seems fire trial will take place inside a dark sphere
hushed steeple
Ok fair enough
bitter shale
Also its kinda fit with how we enter wasteland btw
willow shoal
fire, water, ice and air are the 4 basic elements while the light is the whole world
short owl
Of the elements, only fire produces light
bitter shale
Air produce cold, fire produce warmth
Mmm maybe
Air and water produce cold. Fire and earth produce warmth?
short owl
Air allows light to pass through. Water resists it, and earth straight up blocks it
willow shoal
Mmm maybe
Air and qater produce cold. Fire and earth produce warmth?
@bitter shale lava, yes
~~i learned it from Minecraft ~~
willow shoal
the Sunset was a city located in storm mountains
bitter shale
Ooor maybe, what if valley is naturally frozen, but air element worsen the weather?
ornate olive
It's surmised air brought wind which was used in the races
The earth element brought plant life to prairie
bitter shale
Naturally frozen in like always snowy and cold, not like Arandelle after Elsa went mental
willow shoal
one of the most confusing things is skykids could breath under the ice lake
bitter shale
I believe skid didnt even need to breath-
ornate olive
True considering you go to orbit
bitter shale
Like man
If we did breath, how we can survive in orbit-
Indeed
And the Space ship too
solar relic
that would depend on whether you think of orbit as literal space or a spiritual sort of afterlife
willow shoal
Fire burned down the woods of gw
@ornate olive that reminds me of Charcoal in the Rain
bitter shale
We only died when our light extinguished by darkness
ornate olive
And for a more disturbing thought, you'd risk lighting your lungs on fire every time you pulled a candle out
bitter shale
Other than that nothing can kill us
@ornate olive i mean, the red candle is our heart
In literal way
willow shoal
||Megan: My kids, why’re you so stubborn to eden?||
short owl
My question is why we can pull our candles out safely while IN the water
bitter shale
Proof? You remember taht ecah skid have light dot on their chest. It dissapeared when skid pull out their red candle
hushed steeple
How is the Hide 'n' Seek Pioneer so tall? She has the chibi mask
bitter shale
Because its their chibi size
hushed steeple
Omg she like the tallest spirit of then all
bitter shale
Might be taller than the elders
hushed steeple
Yeah!
short owl
Out sizing both the prophecy spirit and Teth
pastel brookBOT
it has been foretold that @short owl will seek a deeper understanding... AND FAIL 
hushed steeple
Even taller than krills
willow shoal
king is the tallest
pastel brookBOT
snorp! 
willow shoal
maybe we need more concepts about prophecy
calm hull
Yes
