Maybe it isn't necessarily an Element but it could be an artificial offshoot
#lore-discussion-spoilers
queen locust
Like that Purple light
Something they made after learning how to harness the elements
cobalt palm
So from Enchantment
that it is found ‘where darkness prevails’.
it is said they hoard ancient secrets
And they are the two missing from prophecy, maybe they are more related to the ancestor spirits, like knowledge and darkness
They were also the final 2 realms, wasteland and vault
meager canyon
That is what I thought
cobalt palm
Though the order if the trials so far hasn't matched any order of light, I. E. Either order of realms or order we found them in excluding red first
gilded fossil
/oooooh new take???
meager canyon
Hmmmhmhnh
cobalt palm
It feels like there are dots there ready to be connected, but I don't have a long enough piece of string
meager canyon
Well the first four in the murals are elements maybe the last 2 is light and dark because wastland is the most corrupt place aside from eden and vault is where like everything that you've done on your journey comes together
lore chat dead again?
meager canyon
Wdym
cobalt palm
Questing, Red was the first, but orange 
was the last, or going by Realm, cyan 
was the first and purple was the last
cobalt palm
@gilded fossil no I think you may be onto something
meager canyon
Yeah red is found in wasteland and purple is in vault going by the ark.
cobalt palm
By Realm they are the 5th (wasteland) and 6th (vault) stages
meager canyon
We theorized that the ones used in the mural where fake. Ripoffs BC they didn't match the location of the ark .
cobalt palm
Well, on that I wonder in enchantment, we saw the lights in their "natural" habitat
meager canyon
Yeah
cobalt palm
In prophecy we see the elders using them for their own purposes
The thing that's messing with me is order, I need a spreadsheet...
meager canyon
Make a chart organize everything
feral radish
E
cobalt palm
2 things from enchantment :
Quest order and Realm order
2 things from prophecy:
Trial order and Realm (per elder in the mural) order
lethal stump
i feel like the prophecy elements came first, since they’re the elements that make up everything
the ark lights were only a crude attempt at mimicking their power
gilded fossil
/or was the lightseekers came first?
meager canyon
Yeah I believe so too.
gilded fossil
/wait no bad theory
queen locust
Lightseekers came before Enchantment
lethal stump
i think
éléments > lightseekers > ark lights
queen locust
You can see in the Ark Murals that they had a hand in making those colored lights
meager canyon
The location of the colored lights are different tho
gilded fossil
/oh maybe the elements turn into lightseeker orbs?
lethal stump
that’s part of my theory ! they’re crude renditions, so they didn’t go where they belong
gilded fossil
/someone broke them
queen locust
Referencing an earlier convo with Butters, those misplaced colored orbs might have had a role to play with the destruction seen in the realms they're found in
meager canyon
Unless.... The things in the murals aren't the orbs?
gilded fossil
/butters, plural?
lethal stump
proph mural or enchant mural ?
meager canyon
Proph
meager canyon
Yeah the elements plus the things in the murals might make more sense to be elements looking at their location
cobalt palm
Enchantment quest
Enchantment realm
Prophecy trials
Prophecy elder murals
(skipping Isle) (skipping vault)
Isle and vault elders skipped as they don't appear with a single light as the other 4(5 valley) do
Spot the pattern time....
queen locust
Reiterating- Prairie's element is the only one that matches with the colored orb
lethal stump
the valley twins only count as 1 elder, no need to say « 4 or 5 »
cobalt palm
Yeah, I noticed that
cobalt palm
I wondered about blue here being forest tbh
If blue was actually valley with rivers, and orange was forest, that would match enchantment
meager canyon
Yes and we deduced that it was the only one not corrupted, ofcource valley doesnt seem corrupted but then again ppl said that valley and wasteland are in the same realm
lethal stump
valley and wasteland are separate
meager canyon
Yeah that's why I was confused.
ornate olive
Wait why is the red light the wasteland elder?
lethal stump
one is in the heights of the mountains, and one is a river basin between the eden and valley mountain ranges
ornate olive
Isn't the hunched over elder from isle
cobalt palm
Valley has broken structures, with air where rock should be tbh
queen locust
That ain't red Caesar-
lethal stump
no it’s dorito wasteland elder
meager canyon
In what way can valley be corrupt?
lethal stump
i think that’s meant to be the spikes of his helmet
queen locust
Maybe not corrupt- just took a certain brunt of the damage
lethal stump
also valley has darkness plants in it, so we know it was infected with darkness at one point
meager canyon
Because there are dark plants in parire too
On top of each tower you have to light to get to the temple
cobalt palm
There are even dark plants in Isle tbh
lethal stump
every realm has been infected y’all
meager canyon
I think there is some in vault not sure
lethal stump
there’s no dark plants in vault
ornate olive
Idk I still think that's the isle elder
lethal stump
but there are dark creatures
meager canyon
But then again some can debate vault is corrupt
queen locust
Vault houses crabs in the Archives
lethal stump
it’s not the isle elder, we see the isle elder in a different part of the mural, Caesar
cobalt palm
Yeah we see the top of vault shrine in orbit
meager canyon
Oh parire is corrupt bc there are more dark plants and stuff in sanctuary
There was darkness everywhere at some point so that's not the difference we are looking for here....
What do you need to consider being "corrupt"?
queen locust
Wait a minute I'm kind of confused though did I just forget that there were dark plants in Isle
meager canyon
No course there dark plants in isle
fresh monolith
In the tunnel by the isle temple where you get the "no" spirit
cobalt palm
Excuse the poor edit, but what if the realms were these instead...
meager canyon
Possibly
queen locust
Valley... doesn't have rain
cobalt palm
Yeah that's what's puzzling me, just grasping at dot connecting, so spitballing
meager canyon
But then again the 3 islands look like the hint in the second task in the season of sanctuary spirit so it might be sanctuary witch means parire then
lethal stump
valley, aside from birds nest, is the only place we see things clearly floating so i disagree with your comment that the air element mural is isle
cobalt palm
Yeah, maybe I am drawing a connection which doesn't exist outside of enchantment
robust sail
lethal stump
and the earth element mural shows hills with little dots on them, it looks like a stylized version of butterfly fields in prairie
meager canyon
Long stretch but possible I mean
Someone send pictures of the mural hints for sanctuary spirit
lethal stump
a n d the fire mural shows trees on fire
it could be showing the beginning of the deforestation of wasteland which is what turned it into a wasteland, now that we know the fire element was in Tsadi’s control
cobalt palm
I do think bottom right for forest fits with pictorial and enchantment of orange light, rather than wasteland though
lethal stump
then why does the wasteland elder have the element shown in that mural ?
meager canyon
But for all we know wasteland doesn't have trees
meager canyon
It is fire and fire is destructive. Basically the entire wasteland is destroyed it kinda makes sense too
queen locust
Could be that whatever forest that existed then was simply razed to the ground for diamond production
lethal stump
that’s what i’m proposing yes
cobalt palm
Hmm so the entryway murals show the corruption the lights caused maybe?
lethal stump
and our only option that’s left is the top left being forest, since forest is the only realm with a river
cobalt palm
One artificial star factory is in forest
queen locust
Teth made diamonds sure but there also existed diamond production sites in Wasteland
lethal stump
yes, but we see in wasteland that there’s larger, more robust factories there
queen locust
That first krill area is the remnants of one
fast jasper
then the giant one in the distance on the left in the first bit of the map
ornate olive
Do the factories connect to eden?
fast jasper
probably?
queen locust
Given that the only thing standing between Wasteland and Eden is the Vault that's likely
lethal stump
it’s safe to assume such considering the pipes and whatnot
cobalt palm
There are pipes going all the way up eden
meager canyon
That is true but then again we theorized tsadi worked with the king so maybe teth was the first who made diamonds king made a machine and since tsadi used to work with king king gave him a machine to make diamond (again backing up my krill is made out of diamonds theory) and the destruction is king getting revenge on tsadi for betraying him
Again more proof with the pipes
lethal stump
i—
pardon ?
ornate olive
I always though krill were just creatures of dark
Cause they have those black particles
lethal stump
your lack of punctuation is confusing, Gab
meager canyon
Sorry I suck at English
lethal stump
when you finish an idea and move on to a new one, you place a period at the end of the sentence like so.
meager canyon
Tsadi worked with the king (that was a theory ) and we also theorized teth made diamonds gave them to king then king made a machine.
lethal stump
when you’re cutting yourself off, like i’m doing here, you put a comma. it also applies when you’re making lists or adding to what’s being said.
meager canyon
Oop okay
cobalt palm
That is true, but then again we theorized tsadi worked with the king so maybe teth was the first who made diamonds. king made a machine and since tsadi used to work with King. king gave him a machine to make diamond (again backing up my krill is made out of diamonds theory), and the destruction is king getting revenge on tsadi for betraying him
Excuse my edit attempt
lethal stump
very simplifiée but i hope it helps
hushed steeple
a good rule of thumb is, put a comma where you think you need to breath
lethal stump
what makes you think tsadi betrayed the king ?
meager canyon
He doesn't look like he is on the kings side anymore
lethal stump
elaborate ?
ornate olive
Maybe the spear through the shield being the symbol of wasteland?
cobalt palm
Is the constellation through or behind?
I always assumed it was spear and shield as it would hang on a wall display, with the shield in front of the spear
meager canyon
After all he did return the light that we gave, and if you look how he acts in the cutsene you would think that teth was on kings side because of the way they act.
lethal stump
it’s behind Mael
lethal stump
give it back ? tsadi shoots it to the sky, not return it
meager canyon
They all do that
fresh monolith
They give it back by shooting it to the sky
queen locust
None of the Elders really gave back the light- but I think that was the point, we were supposed to be giving it to them or something
cobalt palm
Give it back to "the Light" (capital L)
queen locust
Not to be confused with returning the light to the fallen in Eden
cobalt palm
As in "Visit the Light"
meager canyon
We know teth is agianst wasteland before beacuse we see the diamond symbols in wasteland and tsadi has the eden symbol so at one point they had war.
cobalt palm
Did we get any further with the sunburst vs diamonds shield theory?
I feel that could underpin this
meager canyon
The diamond is the forest symbol and we see that symbol broken in wasteland
cobalt palm
But we also see it on the kite shields in wasteland
lethal stump
im starting to think the « sun bursts » were the elders and their supporters, and the diamonds were the ancestors
meager canyon
We know tsadi teams up with king before because of the sun simbol witch is the eden symbol
queen locust
Why do you think so Brick-
cobalt palm
Oh.... Wait, we have evidence of other sunburst in Isle...
As meerkat posted earlier
meager canyon
The diamonds are there because since they had war there is proof that teth tried to take down wasteland and looks to have sucsseded
meager canyon
Hmm maybe forest and wasteland wasnt the only one who had a big part in the war.....
It is possible that the two sides, light and dark are the dark(Edens side) and forest's side witch we will call "the light side"
And some other realms not only wasteland where on the kings side of the war
I'm sorry my punctuation
I-
queen locust
Nah relax I think we got the gist of that
meager canyon
Okay
lethal stump
i think so because
- thé so-called « sunburst symbol » is the symbol of the elders in the intro, as well as being associated with eden and orbit (where the elders came from)
- the ancestors are more associated with diamonds/triangles, we see them all over their clothes yet no sun bursts
- where there’s class antagonism, there’s revolution ! we can see that valley (the main residential area) was very much divided by class. considering the fact we see miners working without proper PPE and without the supervision necessary to save them from a cave-in, i’m going to assume manual workers weren’t treated very well
all this culminates into me thinking that the war in wasteland was a people’s war
queen locust
Assuming there was a war I'm more inclined to believe that Teth was on the King's side of it
lethal stump
same, she’s wearing a mini version of his face after all
jovial comet
Hi lore chat
meager canyon
Yes but then comes the theory where teth made the diamonds
And the king used them for bad
And the theory where wasteland had war with forest
Witch wasteland is supposedly on kings side (back then)
ornate olive
I think brickys idea makes a lot of sense
meager canyon
Because if forest was on kings side the forest itself would most likely be more like wasteland
cobalt palm
Only thing that doesn't fit with the civil war in my mind is that the ancestors, to return after we follow their memories, meditate at the the elders temples.
Maybe it's reconciliation we are doing, but if it is a class war the elders are still very much still in "power"
woeful plinth
Hey, I would like to add something to the lore.
queen locust
Aight shoot then Nebi
meager canyon
Okay go ahead nebi
woeful plinth
Anyone realize the number of elder mask and who’s mask on the door to the Eye of Eden? Then look at the latest mural at the Cave of Prophecies, notice that the Vault Elder isn’t there? I don’t know if this has been noticed but something tells me that the Vault Elder might be put in a bigger picture of the story
lethal stump
Vault elder is on the Eden door
queen locust
On the Eden door, it isn't Vault Elder's mask that's missing- rather it was Isle Elder's
woeful plinth
Oh my bad!
meager canyon
Uhhh theory (its a long streach tho )
Your know this war could be
3-way
If brick is saying the "civilization" had war with the elders maybe you can merge this into my theory making a 3- way war. The elders fight the king and his followers, the civilacation fight the elders making a 3 way war. Big stretch tho
queen locust
Tis okie- took me a while to realize that myself
cobalt palm
@woeful plinth same question but for Isle elder perhaps?
Isle elder acting sus in them murals 
queen locust
Vault Elder not being present might simply be because the Vault itself hasn't been constructed yet
fresh monolith
They're grandparent don't bully them /lighthearted
woeful plinth
I also think that both the Isle and Vault have something big in them.
queen locust
Isle playing the part of distributor in Prophecy is more than sus-
ornate olive
Is the isle elder suffering from arthritis?
fresh monolith
Don't bully grandparent!!! 😔 /joking
queen locust
i feel that i just slipped on some floor earlier
not enough to break my skull like Gramps over there tho
cobalt palm
Gramps needs wasteland levels of PPE
meager canyon
I didn't really think that much of the isle because for me its more of a demo a like, introduction, but it does hold the cave of prophecy's so it might be important
woeful plinth
And um, this may be a stretch but I realize that Isles and Vault are the only realms that have no closet.
meager canyon
Closet?
fresh monolith
The changing booths
meager canyon
Oh that's beacuse they are the start and end realms
hushed steeple
waiit they are shrines?
queen locust
Isle Elder is a big deal in that out of all the Elders it looked like someone wanted to erase him entirely
See how his mask has been shattered when you meet him
cobalt palm
@hushed steeple I'm sure in one of the tutorials they are called shrines
woeful plinth
But would you consider Eden a realm as well?
hushed steeple
ok
meager canyon
when u first spawn in isle do you have anything to change into when u play the game first time and have no cosmetics?
ruby tapir
aaahh prairie elder is my fave why are they so cute ; A;;
queen locust
And him being absent from Eden door
meager canyon
No I don't consider eden as a realm
lethal stump
eden is a realm
fresh monolith
I considered their broken mask an affect of old age but now that you've grouped that with being absent from the Eden door it makes me wonder
meager canyon
Technically
But eden is extremely different
Its missing a lot of things regular realms do.
So its a realm but a very very different one
woeful plinth
Its missing a lot of things regular realms do.
@meager canyon oh so like Orbit as well?
meager canyon
Yeah.
cobalt palm
Daleth is Resh?
meager canyon
"Resh"?
woeful plinth
Alright I’ll take that assumption
cobalt palm
OMG look at the letters too
fresh monolith
Alternate name for Alef
meager canyon
Sorry I'm not very familiar with the fanon elder names
lethal stump
Isle: Daleth (ד)
Prairie: Ayin (ע)
Forest: Teth (ט)
Valley: Samekh (ס)
Wasteland: Tsadi (צ)
Vault: Lamed (ל)
Prince: Alef (א)
King: Resh (ר)
PLEASE NOTE: These names have appeared in concept art and are often used when referring to the elders. They are no longer canon, they are fanon.
meager canyon
Prince?
fresh monolith
Oh wow Daleth and Resh are more similar as letters than I remembered
warm wigeon
Queen
meager canyon
Is the prince like a thing like king
cobalt palm
This just blew open a new avenue of discussion
lethal stump
the letter daleth is meant to look like an old man hunched over, i’m not sure what resh is meant to look like though
considering it means « leader », perhaps it’s someone bowing or something
woeful plinth
I don’t know if we could use the concept art as to use to piece the lore
meager canyon
Mybe
fresh monolith
Besides, their concept names still fit them enough
meager canyon
They have concept art on the map of eden and it was helpfull
cobalt palm
Anyone got the image of the Hebrew meanings handy?
woeful plinth
I see I see
meager canyon
Herbrew??
lethal stump
fresh monolith
Their concept names are Hebrew letters
meager canyon
Oh
chilly kestrel
Isle Elder is a big deal in that out of all the Elders it looked like someone wanted to erase him entirely
@queen locust my theory is that he used to be the chief advisor, until a certain prince decided they didn’t want their good advice...
meager canyon
Is the prince another thing like the king where they don't appear in the game but are canon?
lethal stump
the king is in game, my friend 
meager canyon
where?
lethal stump
we don’t know
fresh monolith
@chilly kestrel Like how the sky elders didn't seem to take the good advice of the prophets of the season of prophecy.... Whose spirits stay in Daleth's realm.......
ornate olive
I mean there are statues of the king
chilly kestrel
The king doesn’t exist anymore.
meager canyon
exactly you don't see the king like the elders but they play a huge part
that's what I meant
cobalt palm
I had a theory that shinyboi was the Prince, but unconfirmed headcanon
chilly kestrel
@fresh monolith I didn’t even think of that. 
meager canyon
The WL are in form of boy children
chilly kestrel
I don’t think so. Any skykid looks like a wl but not glowy when they lose all their light
This is a no gender zone
lethal stump
big blocks of text upcoming y’all
queen locust
I chose a good time to come back from an activity
lethal stump
The Reish, the 20th Hebrew letter, means head, leader and beginning. It is the symbol of choosing between greatness and degradation. In it is the word for poor רש Rash, but when it is filled the power of the Aleph it becomes Rosh ראש, head or first, expressing the Firstness, Oneness, and Eternity of the Creator, and the qualities of being a leader, not a follower.
Reish is a container, just as Beith(2) and Khaf(20) are containers. But while Khaf represents forms such as a cup or house, Reish(200) represents containing the infinite, exponential growth. It also represents the constant transition, flow and change of life. It is like a constant flow of energy, breaking through, breaking down into pieces, and building anew.
The Reish also relates to the Reshimo רשימו, the spiritual DNA we are meant to explore in life. It contains the secrets of Beresheet בראשית, the beginning. As the word ראש Rosh Head, it also refers to the secrets of the Crown Keter כתר, the highest of the Sephirot.
cobalt palm
Ok so I'm reading Daleth/Resh in a "is the door, and the key" kinda vibe
meager canyon
Yes but with the WL they look like boys it is less likely to get a grill with that short of hair
chilly kestrel
However, I also don’t really think the king had a gender or identified as male, either, despite using male titles and pronouns. The king, to me, exists more as a concept. A star wouldn’t have a gender. Neither does the king.
meager canyon
But ong brick
chilly kestrel
They’re bald
fresh monolith
There is no gender in Sky <3
lethal stump
Dallet דלת is the word for door, gate and indicates resistance and the state of selflessness and humility needed to pass through it. It indicates how to pass through the gates to know one’s own mystery of being and return to the power of the Aleph – the One source of all creation and being. The Dallet is in the shape of a bent over man, signifying the humility and receptiveness. It represents Bitul, the self-nullification, or nullification of the ego, necessary to realize ones inherent connection to the Creator. Also, it is the structure, form and the diligence required to receive.
Dallet is also Dalit דלית, the poor man, who receives from benevolence of the Creator, represented by Gimel. It is the realization that as humans, we having nothing of our own, but are entirely dependent on the creator and that every breath and movement is given to us from Him.
Finally, the Dallet represents structure. Its form of a horizontal and vertical line represents a grid, giving structure to the form. It is shaped like a stair-step, the structure and overcoming of resistance needed to study. When Dallet is in someone’s name it indicates strong will, diligence, perseverance, patience, ability to concentrate, organization, planning, building. It shows us the structure and stability required to receive.
meager canyon
I did not get any of that :0
queen locust
All of those traits mentioned remind me of the trials
cobalt palm
The king and the poor man, Prince and poorper
queen locust
Those traits echoed the wisdoms
Could Daleth have taken those trials on himself or did he himself come up with those
cobalt palm
So did Daleth instruct the prophets to teach the other elders / ancestors the virtues we see in the trials,
Patience, tenacity and balance?
queen locust
That's what I'm thinking
meager canyon
@chilly kestrel it makes sense that "king" might not be a boy because there is no peice of lore that needs the gender of a person we use king as a symbol of power, then again the WL can be a prince BC the gender or the prince or the WL doesn't matter if we are looking at status
ornate olive
What if the isle elder was the old king then the current one deposed him?
meager canyon
Ooooooo
ornate olive
Could make sense why a lot of things of the isle elder are erased
cobalt palm
insert OBEY meme here
queen locust
An uprising- you have my intrigue-
lethal stump
teaching would be more lamedh ל
chilly kestrel
There we go gab! I can vibe with that
ornate olive
And there is a hierarchy, so maybe current king was the old prince or something
meager canyon
But then again we don't know the kings species for all I know the king might not be a elder
lethal stump
it’s highly likely the king is the eden elder
meager canyon
Most likely
queen locust
If the King was the Eden Elder then where did the Prince come from
cobalt palm
As a point on titles, Kings rule a kingdom, princes rule a principality.
Kingdoms often do contain principalities.
lethal stump
i think the king and prince are the same person imo
meager canyon
Oop
woeful plinth
You know I once thought that the elders are once like the normal people in Sky but then I realize about the opening that that’s is where I thought that they could be already more powerful than the villagers
lethal stump
that or there’s some hollow knight stuff going on and the king made the prince as a vessel for light
queen locust
They're entirely different from the Ancestors
yeah I was thinking something more along the lines of Hollow Knight actually
meager canyon
It is possible that the isle elder used to be king or got demoted or got taken down by the king now.
chilly kestrel
Intrigued by isle elder and the prophets existing in the same realm. While the isle of dawn seems to be the start of of the kingdom, it’s now the outskirts, holding its exiles and rejected...
queen locust
could be that I'm just struggling to grasp the idea that the King and the Prince are the same person if he was the Eden Elder
They're not really exiles as they are merely people who travelled
cobalt palm
@lethal stump why not both, shinyboi is shiny as he's the light part of the king/prince duality, the dark corrupted part of the king/prince duality being formless corruption in Eden
lethal stump
hushed steeple
ooh, hollow knight
meager canyon
That is the problem maybe he a good king before and just became corrupted with the diamond (it destroyes the theory that the isle elder used to be king ) or u can say he got old and gave the position to the king (king is isle elders son theory coming up) or isle was king but the eden elder took his spot and banishing him to a far away land witch makes the king corrupt from the start pick ur sides
lethal stump
i don’t agree with any of them, really
queen locust
Prophecy predating Eden kind of makes me believe that there was a coup somehow
cobalt palm
@lethal stump so I'm thinking maybe the king split himself as the corruption took hold of him, casting the light part of him to be the shinybois we see after Eden (possibly throughout the realms)
lethal stump
although it’s partly for beta reasons i cannot currently disclose
meager canyon
Yeah the theory may be wrong
hushed steeple
what about the wl in the trials though Maelstrom?
meager canyon
Wait.. Where u a beta tester?
lethal stump
yes im a beta tester
meager canyon
Oh-
cobalt palm
@hushed steeple if daleth is the king, it would fit
meager canyon
Scrap that idea
queen locust
I don't think Daleth was necessarily a ruler- but embodied the traits of one
cobalt palm
Yeah im also trying to hold back on stuff we haven't seen in live yet
meager canyon
Yes.@queen locust
hushed steeple
I think Daleth is the ferryman ancestor
queen locust
They trusted his guidance and maybe some certain somebodies didn't like that
i might just be reaching here-
meager canyon
@lethal stump so I'm thinking maybe the king split himself as the corruption took hold of him, casting the light part of him to be the shinybois we see after Eden (possibly throughout the realms)
@cobalt palm or going back to the WL is the prince theory maybe the prince was nice and he got sick so he used the rest of his light to spread himself to help the sky kids (big stretch tho)
lethal stump
it’s debatable if the elders and ancestors even knew skykids existed or were going to arrive following their demise
hushed steeple
what if the elders were dreamers that guarded the six light gates, and the king/child of light was a vessel made to contain the darkness
meager canyon
Yes
hushed steeple
I think I went full hallow knight mode
lethal stump
after all, we’re a new generation, and we only arrived after everything died
meager canyon
It is debated that the elders put sky kids to sleep (hybernation) bc of what's going on with eden and stuff and awoke them years later to "deliver the light"
stray burrow
What lore has been confirmed by the devs?
lethal stump
check the pins, you’ll find the canon lore doc
meager canyon
where are the pins
stray burrow
Ah, thx
lethal stump
you can search « how to find pins on discord » on google or whatever search engine you use
cobalt palm
@lethal stump I think Reika or one of the devs said that the child of light and the player have a close connection.
If the child of light is shinyboi in Eden, we may be a result of him sharing himself as winged light throughout the realms
lethal stump
you don’t have to ping me every time, just say my name at the beginning of the sentence
meager canyon
Ahhhhhh its a document I don't like documents
cobalt palm
Rather than the king/ancestors not knowing about skykids, there maybe a bit more cause and effect relationship
queen locust
Gab you're still gonna have to do a bit of reading either way lmao
meager canyon
They give me the heebyjeebys
cobalt palm
Ah sorry for the ping, mobile so tap on name causes a ping
queen locust
I think the shinyboi is the reason that we're able to ascend at all
The fallen from before that point had to be given winged lights to return to Orbit, so shinyboi might just be our equivalent for that
lethal stump
i believe
- the shiny boi is the eden elder (for reasons you lot will understand after fire trial). basically child of light = prince = king = eden elder
- we’re made in the eden elder’s image (or we are the eden elder)
- the wl are the eden elder’s imprints/memories
cobalt palm
In the base game (pre seasons) how many winged light were there?
If it was 63, that matches the number of dark statues in Eden
meager canyon
i believe
- the shiny boi is the eden elder (for reasons you lot will understand after fire trial). basically child of light = prince = king = eden elder
- we’re made in the eden elder’s image (or we are the eden elder)
- the wl are the eden elder’s imprints/memories
@lethal stump woah thats a streach but u are a beta tester....
cobalt palm
Going back to the splitting dark/light, the statues are the corrupted parts of the Light shinybois
queen locust
Not really- I can see it happening
meager canyon
I'll debate about it after I do the fire trial
lethal stump
i will say this: there won’t be much debating, honestly
meager canyon
But the "prince is the wl" theory is quite close but you added more of a stretch
queen locust
this is going to be a tense two weeks ain't it
meager canyon
yup
queen locust
The WL being imprints of the Prince I can believe if we were to liken them to the memories of the Ancestors
Memories of the Prince- something like that
hushed steeple
I think wl we see throughout the game are memory fragments of the child of light/prince
meager canyon
unless everything is a dream and all of this is a test and none of it is real
hushed steeple
we once had a coma theory, it didn't go well
queen locust
I have a question regarding that though- if we were imparting those same imprints into the Fallen then what's the Fallen's connection to all of that?
cobalt palm
King wakes up in a cold sweat...
"there were moths EVERYWHERE!"
lethal stump
considering we see the CoL in the opening fall down to Eden, CoL = Eden Elder doesn’t seem like a stretch
adding onto that « we have a relationship with the CoL » makes me think of how the CoL’s imprints guide us
which is basically my thoughts on CoL = prince = king = eden elder
meager canyon
"Fallen?" What do you mean by that
queen locust
Those kids that we save in Eden
meager canyon
Oh
queen locust
Fallen Stars referred to the Elders, not the children
hushed steeple
finally bricky you agree that the prince and the king are the same entity
green tartan
hello i think i missed a buch of stuff
meager canyon
Gtg guys
queen locust
My question still stands though, what's the Prince's connection to those Fallen kids if this were true?
cobalt palm
We were the Prince all along
lethal stump
this’ll sound silly but i feel like the fallen were a legit hollow knight scenario.
they were created as an attempt to either harness darkness or light. they’re vessels, basically. vessels for something but i’m not sure what though
ornate olive
ok I have some more thoughts on the overthrow theory if anyone wants to hear, if I have more time maybe ill flesh it out more later
hushed steeple
My question still stands though, what's the Prince's connection to those Fallen kids if this were true?
a bridge
queen locust
So- previous attempts that needed saving?
hushed steeple
a bridge to the light beyond
queen locust
that's about 63 visible attempts from the Prince so far-
ornate olive
So here's my idea of the current king overthrowing the isle elder(old king).
The opening of sky talks about the elders and "if only they had listened". What could have happened was that the old king grew corrupt, and the current king(maybe the prince back then) sought to change things and infighting broke out, resulting in the elders falling from the sky. And since they fell from the sky, they decide to create a new kingdom with the current king at head. They cast out the old king to the very edges of the land, banished forever. However, for certain reason the king grew corrupt again. The king started draining the land of its resources. And the people also grew corrupt (valley with rich and poor divide) Meanwhile, the now isle elder tries to make amends by teaching the ancestors(with elements maybe or something?). And maybe the isle elder set up the trials to grow a population that was devoid of corruption and old had good qualities (since they passed the trials). This could also be why the trials are located far out all the way in isle of dawn and why they teach us patience and virtue, etc.
queen locust
This theory suggests that Daleth recovered from his own corruption somehow
ornate olive
Theres also a possibility that he was just docile before
and certain elders just didnt like that
so there was infighting
I mean the "if only they had listened" is a pretty cryptic line
so someone had to know/warn them
cobalt palm
The old king needn't be corrupt in this theory, only the new king.
If the new king overthrew the old king because of the new Kings corruption, the reading would also work.
cobalt palm
And fit with the "if only they had listened" if that line pertained to the wisdoms of the trials
cobalt palm
Are "patience, tenacity, balance, and ||?????||" what they didn't listen to?
queen locust
Bravery, likely
patent veldt
Your Homie Asahi who loves theories is back.
hushed steeple
I really want to say it but I can't
ornate olive
hmm maybe Ill rework the theory to fit things better
cobalt palm
I also can't say it, but...
hushed steeple
:/
queen locust
Anywho- back to that, you're suggesting that they didn't honor the wisdoms or something?
patent veldt
RIP our heads when the fire trial arrives.
ornate olive
I mean up until now we dont really have anything to explain the "if only they had listened" line
cobalt palm
Again, just thinking of ideas to what the "if only they had listened" line could mean with the new context
patent veldt
"If only they had listened" this line still bugs me.
ornate olive
yeah I mean its literally in the intro
so definitely not something to just brush aside
patent veldt
Maybe they refused to work together and separated and started living in their own parts of kingdom.
Possibly after the war or because of the eden elder.
cobalt palm
Right, sneep time for me, have a good discussion all 
hushed steeple
lets analyse "if only they had listened" is in reference to which line, the fact that it is not succeeding to "But darkness came, and the stars fell" is alluding to it referencing the following line "Together, the fallen stars made a new home in the clouds". so possibly an event during the fire era
we don't know if the season of prophecy is prior or within the timeline of the fire era
bye Maelstrom
queen locust
All we're sure about Prophecy so far at least is that it predated Eden
pastel brookBOT
hey @queen locust do you know anything about this prophecy everyone keeps taking about?
queen locust
das mean boophet :p
patent veldt
So of they won't work together , the kingdom will gradually get Destroyed.
queen locust
I'm grasping at straws if that's what boophet meant XD
ornate olive
maybe the spirits we see in game passed the trials and thats why we can see their memories
patent veldt
Every elder needs each other , if they got separated 
queen locust
Okay now I'm REALLY about to grasp some straws here- if those spirits passed then maybe Anubis guy has something to do with us being able to do just that- relive their memories
I can't be entirely sure how much time has passed since the fall of the Kingdom but I am sure that if those bodies were organic there's no way they're able to last that long
lethal stump
im starting to doubt that they’re the same spirits we see in the main game, tbh
queen locust
I've mentioned before that Anubis is the god of mummification and the afterlife so maybe he'd taught them to preserve those memories
I'll take what I can-
lethal stump
in the twirling champion’s memories, we see the confident sightseer and the leap spirit
if you have ascended these spirits, they will appear yellow and if you have not, they will appear blue
i have ascended all base-game spirits yet the disciples appear blue meaning they aren’t the same spirits/people
patent veldt
There hairstyles resembles the Spirits in game.
jovial comet
I hope the spirits are the same ones
queen locust
Yeah but they could just be running on technical and visual limitations
patent veldt
They are memories of another spirit I don't think so they were will glow that time.
queen locust
even if I have my doubts because I'm having a hard time believing that them having those same hairstyles wasn't intentional
lethal stump
no, they would still glow, Asahi
ornate olive
Yeah but they could just be running on technical and visual limitations
@queen locust sky is just a simulation confirmed
fast jasper
so that’s why the ts spirits i’ve ascended are yellow/orange in orbit
lethal stump
read the first part of my paragraph
when reliving the twirling champion’s memories we see two other spirits in his memory, and those spirits will be yellow if you’ve ascended them and blue if you haven’t
fast jasper
ohh
patent veldt
Oh
I think I don't see it in mine because android , graphics limitation or this is in not in my game
lethal stump
so yeah
that’s why i think they’re different than the base game spirits
patent veldt
Ok brick I have to go check it out then.
lethal stump
you can’t check the twirling champion’s memories, they’re a seasonal spirit
pseudo heart
A pretty recent one too..
ornate olive
maybe the king doesnt exist anymore because the king never passed the trials?
patent veldt
No
neat fractal
I got that spirit when I first joined, thinkin it was a normal spirit
I miss my moff days
lethal stump
patent veldt
What were the prophets training the students for ?
pastel brookBOT
The prophets foresee everything 👁️
patent veldt
I guess thatskyBOO's trigger word is prophet.
ornate olive
prophet
lethal stump
let’s not try to trigger bot if it’s not needed
patent veldt
I have OC story where sky needs new elders to rule and the previous elders train the new ones.
queen locust
Pretty sure that's for another chat
patent veldt
So what else ?
lethal stump
patent veldt
I mean lore?
ornate olive
whats the poor part of valley look like?
lethal stump
the sliding race
ornate olive
I always thought that was above the clouds for some reason lol
fast jasper
im imagining the valley twins playing with the air element because they’re the valley twins
fast jasper
might wanna do some scrolling
violet pagoda
Can we talk about the season's story up to this point in this channel?
queen locust
Oh definitely
fast jasper
yep
queen locust
Most notably we've been linking them to the colored orbs in Enchantment
Credits to Wolf for these compilations
ornate olive
Dang these are nice
violet pagoda
They are
queen locust
Anywho- so far we've had talks about how the Prophets taught some disciples the elements, pertaining to certain wisdoms
pastel brookBOT
Prophets? WHERE?! 
ornate olive
What's the thing wasteland elder is giving the element to?
Is that a statue of the king
violet pagoda
It looks like a lantern.
queen locust
The most recent Trial gave us the elements being distributed to the Elders
I think someone said here that GW Elder's loading a cannon
violet pagoda
What I'm most interested in is the people ascending the mountain, completely elementless.
queen locust
Water to Forest, Earth to the Prairie, Air to the Valley, and Fire to the Wasteland
queen locust
No not those cannons Caesar
violet pagoda
Catapults are though
queen locust
Actual firearms built into that building in Battlefield
i need to get pic of that once it comes up again smh
queen locust
And we're pretty sure that Mountain they're climbing is Eden
queen locust
Those might be the four prophets of the Season idk
urban ginkgo
Wait so since these are murals in the cave of prophecies, is this the prophecy that was predicted or events in history? Because if it's the prophecy the elementless ones could be the skids going through Eden in the future or just the spirits trying to live there
pastel brookBOT
The prophecy foretells that @urban ginkgo... ||Will actually have a very good day today||
queen locust
Ayyyy congrats Owl XD
urban ginkgo
Haha that's a new one
queen locust
Eden as we can see is looking kind of empty right now
violet pagoda
Very, yes.
queen locust
So it's assumed that Prophecy predated the construction of Eden so there's likely no danger there just yet
Then again I could be wrong
violet pagoda
It may just be a bad feeling, but in my understanding? Nothing good has ever come from Eden.
spring glade
Can I get a summarization of the lore so far?
queen locust
Are you new here Crispy?
spring glade
Yes
lethal stump
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spring glade
I would check game theory or something but I don’t think they’re aware of this games existence
violet pagoda
Yeah
queen locust
Lmao not just yet XD
ornate olive
How does bricky always have such good timing
queen locust
There's a ton of cool stuff in the Pins too so check those out
violet pagoda
King
But as I was saying.
Eden has an overabundance of wind, earth, water, and if we are to assume Krill are made of smoke, then fire.
ornate olive
I mean there are flames there
violet pagoda
True, yeah.
ornate olive
Or at least ones that have gone out
queen locust
An earlier convo went deeper into this idea- that those elements were misplaced and mishandled
ornate olive
I mean where did the elements go?
violet pagoda
Were they? Because SkyBot did say earlier, "Don't trust the elders."
lethal stump
skybot is sadly not lore related
queen locust
Skybot's good at giving us good days sometimes but that's about it
violet pagoda
Maybe not. But ngl they've always been sus to me anyways
ornate olive
Well technically the elders are colonizers right
queen locust
I gotta go eat now so Caesar take over XD
ornate olive
They made a new kingdom and then led it into ruin
violet pagoda
Something like that, yeah.
ornate olive
So that's pretty sus
violet pagoda
The way I see it one of two things happened.
Either Eden was their biggest project yet, the crown jewel of the kingdom, and something went horribly wrong,
Or, for some reason, the elements were used against the prophets on purpose.
ornate olive
Maybe the king took them all
violet pagoda
That's very possible.
ornate olive
And either misused them or somehow corrupted them
We see the elders using them in some capacity
But they're not present anymore
I still need to work more on my overthrow theory xd
violet pagoda
Do it
I'm so fascinated by all of this
And after everything's said and done, where do we fit into this picture, exactly?
urban ginkgo
Unless them trying to gather too much light in diamonds and stuff (for the king?) made it explode and cause the storm that's in Eden
violet pagoda
That's also possible. Maybe light was treated like a fifth element?
ornate olive
I feel like the root cause of a perpetual storm might be some elemental shenanigans
violet pagoda
Yeah.
Maybe the diamond in Eden was supposed to harness all four elements at once.
ornate olive
Since smaller crystals can absorb light
Maybe the large one they made absorbed the elements
ornate olive
True
Maybe now its kinda spitting the power of the elements back out since there so much wind water and earth
violet pagoda
Yeah
I'm still interested in the question of "Who are we" in relation to this history
Are we part of it or just outside observers fulfilling a task?
ornate olive
That's a good question
I always felt like we were outside observers since we come after and can only see things through memories
But now that we actually participate in trials that could change
violet pagoda
Exactly. Why send us here? Why bother lighting the walls and telling us the story after we complete the trials?
Maybe the reincarnation cycle began with memory loss.
ornate olive
Yeah that could be
bold niche
Maybe the reincarnation cycle began with memory loss.
@violet pagoda
You mean we are the reincarnation of the spirits?
violet pagoda
Yes. That's one thought, anyways.
bold niche
I like it. Could explain why we are only children
violet pagoda
Yeah. And it would be more merciful than creating beings just to die over and over.
In a sense, the old champions are completing their final duties to the elders.
spring glade
The megabird can revive/ reincarnate people correct?
brittle fractal
I simply have a question
spring glade
What
brittle fractal
Do you know what this is
spring glade
Cause if megabird can rebirth I got a conspiracy
The cave in isles, I like to think it’s a miniature boat
brittle fractal
But what are the orbs
spring glade
I dunno I never have been able to activate them
spring glade
Huh
brittle fractal
Then they left so I didn’t get to see it completely activate
spring glade
So anyways apparently megabird can be seen as a symbol of reincarnation.
Since people of the sky need light to survive I’ll assume it can create light.
So what if the megabird sent the sky child?
I mean, they can possibly revive us, which for that to happen, means they need to be able to control light to some extent
And why would we be revived but not the other spirits if we weren’t?
spring glade
THINK AGAIN!
Right now for some reason I have this conspiracy that Megan sent Sky Kid to retrieve the lost spirits or had some part in it
ornate olive
@brittle fractal thats from the season of lightseekers
patent veldt
My theory is that we are half phoenix, we are Megan's kid.
That's why we die /reborn all the time.
ornate olive
Maybe the reason why we maintain our forms is that we have dark halves
so we're never truly recycled when we're in orbit
patent veldt
Megan looks like a phoenix , more like this special phoenix is a god here
It really looks like a phoenix to me.
patent veldt
Blue Jay?
ornate olive
blue jay is just another type of bird
queen locust
Another type of bird but Megan just kinda looks like a harp to me-
queen locust
Technically if I were to incorporate the intro cutscene into all of this, we are all Megan's kids
or at least that's what being one with the light meant to me
gilded fossil
/phoenix represent fire as well
/we shall recuit more people
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worn flint
slides here
crystal hatch
i'm a lore moff now
gilded fossil
/and the names is in concepts arts
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crystal hatch
i've come here, like, once
i think that's where i got the list of names from
or i got it from questions and answers? i mean, it came from somewhere
who's sharing lore in questions and answers, i would like to know
worn flint
there is a list here
crystal hatch
will be back, reading the doc
hushed steeple
@queen locust hello, just say the pics of the murals you posted. are there more from the first two trials? would love to see those and cant seem to find them here
queen locust
Oh you'll have to consult Wolf for those
Got no clue where they are tho I'm sure they'll turn up soon
queen locust
Wait which ones
Were these the ones where we tried finding out what that temple thingy was
Forest, under the bridge
We spiraled out of control that time but tl;don't scroll that's the Wasteland Temple
Also Boop was that symbol from before or after seeing the cutscene at Vault summit
inland iron
Why is one of the rocks above valley portal broken does that hint anything?
queen locust
ohhhhh okay-
I'll have to fly there later too-
mmkay then
Btw Tyler I think one of the rocks being broken is one thing-
But having a lot of other stuff in Valley being a broken part of a whole is another
There's a lot of duality in there
inland iron
Do you think half of valley being broken has to do with the theory that valley elder was one then split into two?
queen locust
They count as one so I think that could be part of it
bitter shale
we have a mountain cleaved into two in avlley
so i belive the twins was one person once
queen locust
two mountains cleaved in two- or was it three I wasn't counting
bitter shale
hybrid oxide
Their name on Orbit isn't plural
So I think they used to be one being
bitter shale
indeed
and teh fact they share one name...
and their statue too
other elder have one statue with a diamond hole in the chest part
hybrid oxide
Also their cutscene
bitter shale
but valley twins's statue are two statues forming a diamond hole
meaning they at least shared one soul
in two bodies
okay i should get a better pic with a better angle-
hybrid oxide
They're literally half of each other
bitter shale
mhm
thin dirge
I think they're meant to be a 2-in-1 kind of Elder
One Elder, but they're split in two, and was always like that
sinful anvil
btw i think dora elder looks like a boy, which is based on perceptions, so i doubt gender applies to duality
(it is after all proven gender is no longer binary)
oh my txt got nerfed.
interestingly spiky elder is fast and agile for once, while other elders take long and dramatic gestures to show their power
junior robin
:p
bitter shale
Masculine and feminine aspect
They does completed each other, and yet contradicted each other
stone rivet
Boys and girls are gightingggg
sinful anvil
ngl i feel like dora elder is boyish..
like the more longhaired men
maybe the people there invented binary constructs around genders too and passed that into worships on their gods..
stone rivet
They can't be perceived as boy or as girl, they are Complete(Dora) and Utter(Kakashi) chaos
hushed steeple
I don't think gender in the way we understand it applies to them. More like they represent male and female energy.
solar relic
patent veldt
That one split mountain reminds me of Dueling peaks from botw , they were exactly similar in appearance and shape.
Ah yeah I forgot to tell
I have recently visited Eden
Just a few seconds ago I am reborn
And what makes me question is where the orbit is located.
And how do the universe of sky exists in a single red candle.
bitter shale
💫 the power of i m a g i n a t i o n 💫
patent veldt
bitter shale
Hmmm
gilded fossil
/yaalll
patent veldt
And yeah as bricky or Res I don't remember who was it pointed out that we can see Megan in the place before we are reborn.
gilded fossil
/the last pic asahi just sent looks like the star button that when tap connects us to the constellations
patent veldt
And yeah as bricky or Res I don't remember who was it pointed out that we can see Megan in the place before we are reborn.
@patent veldt
The second picture
With Megan there is a constellation that resembles the shape of three skykids flying.
gilded fossil
/light awaits tribute
livid valley
huh
patent veldt
Yeah I was thinking the same
orchid field
Random theory, for trials , it’s more like we are having dreams that’s why we never really die from and trials . Since the “dream” is so exhausted, our avatar also ran out of energy in “real” life
livid valley
is there any pic of it?
gilded fossil
/cant believe im still tired after sleep
patent veldt
Random theory, for trials , it’s more like we are having dreams that’s why we never really die from and trials . Since the “dream” is so exhausted, our avatar also ran out of energy in “real” life
@orchid field
Your theory reminds of the silent realm from Skyward sword.
patent veldt
Another Zelda game
The hero has to go through four trials
There is a time limit
And the hero's soul is present there
Only the soul part of the hero
Random theory, for trials , it’s more like we are having dreams that’s why we never really die from and trials . Since the “dream” is so exhausted, our avatar also ran out of energy in “real” life
@orchid field
I believe the trial arena takes place far away and in a different place of existence where the sky kingdom is located.
bitter shale
That can explain why we need a postal to get there
Since the road to the prophecy cave is actually a very long cave
Seems like it is hidden for a reason
hushed steeple
hey folks...
im back
guys i saw the air mural
and i think teth and daleth r switched...
willow pumice
What’s happening here? I guess it is about wasteland?
gilded fossil
/high five seal
/huh gw has the earth light thing?
/spoilers for me tho lmao havent played
gilded fossil
/well, comparing to the vault murals is anyone else triangularly chonky?
glad vapor
i think i heard he was giving the light to a canon on the wasteland temple high up
gilded fossil
/huh????
glad vapor
uh, well on the wasteland temple, there are two sort of pillars on it to the left and right, if u manage to fly up really high, u can see they look like what the wasteland elder is giving his light to. sorta a tower with a huge diamond shaped cone coming out of it. I think someone said it was a canon
glad vapor
yep
gilded fossil
/are they..reusing beta lore???
cyan dune
I mean, there are some of us who don’t have beta so..
gilded fossil
/no not that
/ooooooold beta
/back when we had turtles
/and forest elder's a hot fox
cyan dune
Oooh
gilded fossil
/check old concepts thoooo, teth was like, queeeen
undone harbor
Yessss
Teth now is going to murder us in one second sksk
Though looking at prophecy they seem to be using old stuff again
So maybe we will have a chance to see old beta lore??
YES I WOULD LOVE MORE LORE ESPECIALLY ANCIENT ONES THANK YOU
gilded fossil
/king on a boaaaaaat
undone harbor
Were you in the old beta, @gilded fossil ?
gilded fossil
/no child
gilded fossil
/you mean old beta? they didnt have discord back then :))), i would pay to read what old beta thinks thooooo
undone harbor
Like
Both old and now
But if old beta had lore chat back then they would have been so crazy-
The beta now though
They know what happens before us and theorising when we are sitting here,waiting for a new season
glad vapor
ah yes
bitter shale
Sup
Also about the cannon thing
Iirc it was located at the center
There are 3 pillars, with the cannon in the center
queen locust
Now that we're talking cannons though would it be safe to assume that those were used against krill
Tis mighty convenient to have them ready so soon after the krill arose
glad vapor
but why would he give the light to the cannon? would it make a sort of special power diamond big enough to power it? or does it need the light to function.
also it looks a little like the light is coming form inside him
queen locust
The element on its own would likely be a powerful enough blast
Maybe not enough to kill a krill though who knows-
bitter shale
I believe it was suppose to be on tsadi's hands instead in their body
Since their hands does outstreched
Seems like they giving the light to the cannon?
Not so sure tbh..
short owl
I find it interesting that only the water shrine lets you go back and join those who have yet to finish
Think that may be lore?
bitter shale
hmmm
short owl
The qualities chosen to indicate a leader ultimately separating them from everyone else
Resiliance: you will lose every one and everything time and time again. Balance: you have to focus on many things and can't indulge or even really get time to focus on a single thing for too long
Coupled with patience: Wait out the hard times, perhaps indefinitely.
note: I personally believe patience is a dangerous concept, so that will influence my interpretation.
.. You may not be able to even look back in the fire one. Strength: Push through ||even if you shouldn't||
hushed steeple
hey folks...
the red light is forest
and the cyan light is isle
blue has 2 ppl so they r samekh
green has a fat person so thats ayin
so the diamondhead is prob teth
and the triangle body is prob daleth
cuz u remembder the glitch mural?
in sanc?
the glitch mural had the exact same ppl
and triangle body has a staff in sanc`s glitch mural
so i think triangle body is daleth
and diamond head is teth
and they r switched for some reason
that pillar next to the fire guy in the mural is a standing lantern in forest prob
srry for the text block
livid valley
Pog
bitter shale
Idk man daleth looks too skinny to be drawed as a dorito
patent veldt
A Dorito with a top hat and a black bow
Daleth was bill cipher all along-
delicate coral
uh those cannon things y'all were talking about are kinda still in the game no?
the king statues on the GW temple have them right?
Thats what I assumed was being depicted in the mural
apologies for the bad photos, I was running out of light and was trynna get in and out quickly bc my phone was dying
so, not a beta leftover I don't think
ornate olive
I mean just cause it's in the game now doesn't mean it's not a beta leftover
the dead bird is still there but that's a leftover as far as we know
lethal stump
the only cannon i know of in-game is from beta, but it’s currently office
ornate olive
@lethal stump what do you that thing the gw elder is giving the element to is
delicate coral
Oh yeah calling the thing in the screenshot a 'cannon' is potentially a misnomer
still I think those king statues are what are depicted in the mural
meager canyon
Why is it that I always leave when the convo starts and when i enter it dead
seriously tho somebody talk to me I'm hungry for theories
╥﹏╥
past lake
Regarding the capes: is the Cape spiritually attached to their body and movement? Or is it some sort of autonomous extension of their bodies, like a muscle that they can control?
hushed steeple
Spiritually attached I believe.
Because in ||orbit||, the cape is gone, so if it were an extension to their body, that’d hurt like heck if it were removed.
past lake
Ahh yeah that makes sense, thank you. It's just strange how it's able to move in specific ways according to their own movements
short owl
Do we know it doesn't hurt not to have it? We go through Eden immediatly before this, and are given a cape shortly after losing it.
wind kraken
speaking of the cape: is it just me or does the recharge animation look like scales?
short owl
Not just you. I think it's supposed to be feathers
wind kraken
i don’t know why it seems like scales for me djksjsja-
glass cliff
it is for everyone
lethal stump
i was thinking about capes
i realized we can’t do the teamwork emote 
if we don’t have our capes even if we have our light
past lake
Does anyone know of a chart or something that can describe how big things are in Sky? Eg: the krill, the Matas etc.
short owl
... If the qualities expected of a leader isolate them... Maybe that's no coincidence
hushed steeple
what is the topic
lethal stump
@past lake not really, although it’s believed krills are around 69’8 ft, or 21 metres
short owl
Mostly capes. Kat is looking for a size chart tho
past lake
Thank you!
chilly kestrel
I think some of the unofficial height chart is inaccurate, but I estimate skykids to be 2ft at chibi and 4ft at the tallest natural height
willow shoal
~~skykids are kids in real world while ancestors are adults ~~
short owl
Hi Tutu
hushed steeple
I was watching the sky intro, and when the narrator said "With the stars united our light was infinite" I started to think, maybe this season's story it's about the Elders trying to recreate what they had in space, using the elemental lights to create artificial stars and unlimited light energy, but doing this brought an imbalance to the earthly world between light and darkness.
And that the prophets discovered them and that's why they wanted to warn humans, that the Elders were not here to help but to use them to regain their old glory, and that by using light in that way it would only bring chaos to the world.
rough torrent
i kinda think so as well, i've been looking for a while at the new mural we unlock after the air trial and it looks like the character pictured they are bringing earth, water, air and fire to their new home
willow shoal
a new prophet theory comes out
rough torrent
and those elements are "key elements"
willow shoal
while original game doesn’t have these elements clearly
sly kestrel
I was watching the sky intro, and when the narrator said "With the stars united our light was infinite" I started to think, maybe this season's story it's about the Elders trying to recreate what they had in space, using the elemental lights to create artificial stars and unlimited light energy, but doing this brought an imbalance to the earthly world between light and darkness.
@hushed steeple in the intro, the “stars” being referred are the elders themselves. This was confirmed a while back
rough torrent
^
hushed steeple
Do you think the Valley twins are brother and sister, or brother and brother?
sly kestrel
Tbh I have no clue on the prophecy story at all, I jus don’t get it
I’ve been playing for a while and with this new story of elemental lights it seems so outta nowhere as if it was improvised. Idk where to start, and idk a theory that makes sense. Ig I’ll jus wait for the fire trial
lethal stump
elders don’t have genders 
hushed steeple
@hushed steeple in the intro, the “stars” being referred are the elders themselves. This was confirmed a while back
@sly kestrel oohh didn't know that, well... That change the things, but I still think that ithey were trying to create a new source of unlimited power
sly kestrel
Ye
Darkstone
But it wasn’t with these new elemental lights
I have no clue on those
rough torrent
yup elders are genderless
but i guess fans can make their own headcanons about them 
lethal stump
i have a theory, but it’s based on beta content/fire trial
willow shoal
Power’s ultimate trial
hushed steeple
My brain refuses to believe that they’re genderless haha
rough torrent
valid
willow shoal
guys remember the enchantment elements of light? they’re quite similar to the prophecies
lethal stump
honestly the twins look very enby to me
if the elders had confirmed genders, the twins would be they/them non-binary imo
sly kestrel
well it was in a live-stream and they’re exact words were sumtin like “they have no known gender, they existed before gender even existed” or sum like that
Idk, but it’s in the pins somewhere
And I don’t think the lights from the prophecy season and the lights from enchantment are connected
rough torrent
i see
lethal stump
« it’s unclear if elders have ages or gender, or if age and gender even exist for them » is the quote i think
willow shoal
no gender no difference
lethal stump
why have gender when you’re a god yknow
rough torrent
"due to personal reasons, i'll become god"
lethal stump
- the king
sly kestrel
The enchantment lights are artificial fallen stars that the lightseekers gave to the scholars and djsbddsbs yeah u kno the story
But the elemental lights seem like these natural elements that the elders used and protected in their kingdom
Idk about them being connected in any way
hushed steeple
well it was in a live-stream and they’re exact words were sumtin like “they have no known gender, they existed before gender even existed” or sum like that
Idk, but it’s in the pins somewhere
@sly kestrel That is so mind numbing. Bahaha
hushed steeple
Cuz I’m a weird cookie.
willow shoal
i know that, but isn’t the lightseekers light also natural element?
bitter shale
i hab arrived
rough torrent
those were artificial for """studies""" and such basically
kinda like fake famous art works who are just copied for art studies to study from close or something like that(?)
sly kestrel
Well they started off natural, in the mural they were shown as fallen stars that the lightseekers gathered
Maybe they were natural things that floated around, who knows, but I jus kno that these natural lights were modified later for other purposes
That I’m too lazy to type
bitter shale
What if they compiled the fragments of the elements to create a whole element?
Mmm im in car rn maybe i cam write my theory at home
willow shoal
||enchanted puzzle ||
hushed steeple
Maybe they are fragments of the original elements, at some point the Elders abused the elements and ended up fragmenting
willow shoal
fragments?
sly kestrel
The other elements seemed ancient and natural as well
Like....they were something bigger than simple lights
fast jasper
i mean they do obtain a blue ish color at a certain angle
rough torrent
speaking of abusing the elements, that might have started Eden 
I always thought Eden at first was a garden for obvious reasons related to the name and to make it perfect in every single way they went overboard
like, now that we got more stuff to work on i kinda thing they used the elements in the season of prophecy to create "the new home", since i see air, earth, water and fire as something important and the base of starting life, but messed up with Eden really badly because there the wind is hella strong (air), the water is toxic (water), the ground is full of holes + flying rocks (earth)
dunno about fire tbh since sky kid use any kind of light coming from it to "live" so i guess there it's most likely a lack of fire or there wouldn't be so many statues if they were able to recharge
this might sound stupid but yeah, brain goes brrrr
pastel brookBOT
it has been foretold that @rough torrent will seek a deeper understanding... AND FAIL 
rough torrent
lethal stump
@rough torrent please delete your « fire trial hint » as it’s beta content, thank you
rough torrent
noted
gilded fossil
/ôh hoo hoo unfamiliar faces what we be loring tonight?
short owl
A question: did they have much of an alternative to trying to recreate what they had? I know humans would have to recreate what we have on earth if we expect to survive in space, maybe the same concept applies
"OUR LIGHT WAS INFINITE" = I could just go to the store and BUY an apple, could you immagine?!?!
lethal stump
i have thonks
but must
remain shut
hushed steeple
hold it in
gilded fossil
/aw snap yall i just cant wait
lethal stump
(ò_óˇ)
lethal stump
beta players ? no
short owl
"If only they had listened" -> if only they hadn't planted their crops in alien soil so they could have something edible once their food stores ran out
hushed steeple
LOL
It was the prophets who said «If only they had listened»
saw that
What did they say
n o t h i n g
brick is the king of lore chat
bitter shale
Okay im at home rn
Home irl not in game
Anyway yeah i was thinking they might compiled the frags of the element like how we gatheirng light frags at valley race
Or like how we gathering waxes to turn it into candles
kindred oar
It was the prophets who said «If only they had listened»
Who 'they' are they referring to? Was it the elders?
bitter shale
We didnt really know if the one who speak in the intro are the prophets tho...
hushed steeple
It was the prophets who said «If only they had listened»
@hushed steeple Didn't the narrator say that in the story intro?
bitter shale
Altho i believe 'they' that they reffering to are the elders