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Dawn Day Rain Sunset Dusk Night
Yep
Hahahahahaha that's so funnyyy
/i think the civilzation started in isle
I’d say they represent different places within the kingdom but still tell the story since they follow the different time periods
/continue toebeans
They represent different time periods
Ouh, different time period
I agree, everything started in Isle. Which is why all the spirits are migrants and pilgrims.
Would that mean Home is Twilight?
Isle is deserted as the roof of my house.
Start in dinosaur era and continue to judgement day.. Like that?
/humans as a whole started there but as time move on ppl move to different locations
Isle is the birth realm in early test
/eden would be twilight?
Plot twist: Isle used to be an adoption center of moths since the time of the elders.
Okay lemme continue
Hmmm early realm of sky?
/yea toebeans please
yeah
The civilization started in isle.
in this version test, isle elder was once an eagle
/shush guys let toebean finish
Plsze
Turning to whurtles
Prairie is peaceful as the spirits build up the world around them. Creating ways to travel and building homes and monuments. Most of the people are builders, working hard to keep the people of the kingdom connected.
whurtles yes
I remember the early beta had legit flying turtles.
@patent veldt oh take me back to 2018
Wait I think... Every realm created in da same time
/there are light catchers in prarie as well
Right
The capes also had beautiful patterns on them.
in CN lore mantas hide in the clouds and wait for skykids to wake them
/wake???
yea
The mantas were in long slumber?
That’s right! Light catchers, butterfly charmers, lots of people trying to learn about the world around them to better understand it.
So there's no time period just like Isle era until Eden(judgement day) era?
have u found almost everything in prairie fell into a long sleep?
as the elder just yawn
I don't know why the cosmic mantas exist in vault and eden but cosmic jellos are present everywhere.
Elder is drunk cuz he drank to much manta juice wine.
Then comes Hidden Forest. By then, the people are starting to realize the dangers of staying where they are, as the darkness starts to settle in. The spirits are trying to figure things out but things aren’t going too well, hence why the spirits seem dismayed, sad, angry and cold.
/or maybe he had too many resize
/Hidden forest spirits are the only ones i can use to express frustration tbh
Manta juice wine is harmful to health.
I have to brb but will continue my thoughts as soon as I return 
/they mined light as welll
Then comes Hidden Forest. By then, the people are starting to realize the dangers of staying where they are, as the darkness starts to settle in. The spirits are trying to figure things out but things aren’t going too well, hence why the spirits seem dismayed, sad, angry and cold.
@grim kiln ouhhhhhh yesshhhhh
/aww man bye bean
Just like changing eras
When I returned from completing the trial of water , I kept saying that I am lit.
Ahh wisdom of what from water challenge
/patience
Wisdom of patience
/we have toooo waitttt
Owaight
Or how about
TRIFORCE OF WISDOM!
Wisdom of Guidance
Iyeeyhhh
Actually no
What is it
I'm so confused and it started banging my head
Paimon can't get it
/botw noises
No mention Genshin
Ehehehehe
/anywayssssss
@gilded fossil Jen you played botw too?
What is it mean
The legend of Zelda breath of the wild
Triforce thingies
Ah not here
/nope, anyways back to sky lore
Ah?
I can DM you
managed to do the air trial quick enough and the guy with the horns is deffo daleth
pstcj ?
smog maybe
I think it’s just a lighting bug
brick-
Whurtle tomb
So assuming darkness has been an ever-present source in the universe, and light was spontaneously created. The Elders (not necessarily the current six) created a place full of light away from the darkness.
Then Eden Elder was perhaps warned with a prophecy that the darkness was coming, and they needed to leave. Hence, the Isle, and the making of boats there. The Ark may be the one of the attempts to leave the world, but obviously failed. Isle Elder might have been telling people to leave all this time.
So Eden Elder gets this warning, and ignores it (Perhaps the darkness corrupted him already). Eden wanted to be the only Elder worshipped, so he decides to harness the power of the sun so everyone relies on him like they rely on the sun. Consumed by greed, he assures his kingdom that by controlling the sun, they'll be able to defeat the darkness.
To control the sun, they needed water to dampen its power, so pipes were created and dried all the water from the lands.
Then the prophecy came true, krill and darkness attacked from outer space.
Eden Elder was not able to control the power of the sun, and destroyed the sun instead, therefore destroying everything else around it, and killing the people too. This releases polluted water.
Later on, the Children of Light came into existence, and a second sun was in the process of creation. By dying and ascending, the Children delivered the spirits and winged lights to the Second Sun/Orbit to feed and grow it, and claim the land back from darkness.
Amythenia#0354
Factorial#0114
@patent veldt are these the bad deeds of the eden elder? Also why dont some spirits have cape? How do they get around in the world is sky?
b o a t
no text just b o a t
Also what did season like rhythm,belonging, gratitude add to the lore?
I joined in sanctuary only
same
Ping me when you answer k
some seasons didn’t add crazy amounts of stuff to lore
all they did was show us more spirits and some details about their culture
@jagged compass

Wait wait so lightseeker, enchantment and,, uhh prophecy def have connections with each other right?
they likely do
all they did was show us more spirits and some details about their culture
@lethal stump I like this one
Ah meerkat , got the bill cipher Pfp.
ayyy
Yep another Gravity falls fan.
Reality is an illusion Universe is a Hologram Buy gold Bye!
Someone mentioned that the orbs could've been be able to be accessed by anyone but someone countered that no one would give such a powerful thing to just.. anyone so maybe the trials were the way to know who can harness those orbs??
Orbs? What orbs , you mean elemental orbs?
Ah yes
More like the coloured Light are artificial versions of the original elemental light
They are weak compared to the original elemental light.
I will paste my theory here again.
That's why they could only repair a small patch of land in the ark,,,,?
looks like daleth gave the other 3 or 4 elders the glow things
That's why they could only repair a small patch of land in the ark,,,,?
@pseudo heart Ah I am having another Theory , maybe the Enchantment spirits tried to transform wasteland/ark back to it's original form but they couldn't find the elemental light , because the prophets had them or the original elemental light are probably lost by now(maybe during the big Boom) , so they made their own elemental light in hopes of fixing back the wasteland area but since they are artificial , they are hence weak when compared to the original elemental light so they were only able to fix the area around the shipwreck of the ark.
i prophesize that... 
Ouh
Ah yes,, the wasteland reparation thimgy,, I've been thinking about that too,,
The original elemental light is probably lost/shattered/Destroyed during the big Boom.
And original only four?
Maybe the vault ppl experimented with them lights
Just like colour pallete?
They might have made extra , they might have not know that there are only four.
Ouh for preparations
Maybe
They don't know how much the original is
But
They should know

bet they were like “only four? nope we’re going with six”
It's "artificial"
doesn't always have to be the exact same
wait how many artificial lights are there
6
Emm six
6?
7????
6
Like the colors of the rainbow
Usually purple is related to corruption right?
i thought that was blue
Sorry didn't count properly.
purple doesn’t really have any hard and fast colour psychology in the world of sky
It's wisdom in this context
As that dizzying colour is the gift of heating light?
I am bad at maths
Me too
Sorry 
I mean the purple light was found in the vault uhhhh

The purple light has the diamond symbol though.

I just taking the facts from YT someone made a video in almost game, the purple colour show us the corruption
what's the text for purple light agan?
Hmm don't remember
Don't remember either.
Maybe it's used for,, those lamp,, uh projector thingamajigs
Imma Google it.
I only remember the gift from earth that's from prairie
And the gift of light/heat? to forest
‘it is said they hoard ancient secrets
The text of purple light
Ancient

The vault fits the best for this
ancient secrets
and it's in archive of vault
Or greater things
I know
Oh yeah maybe it's used for those memory projector things?? Since the archives were made to hold ancient knowledge in hopes of being able to be used in the future??
Yep
So the red one..
So, that two more artificial light is useful too.... But not for recovering back the land, but for recover back the memories
The red symbol represents Eden.
That'd make sense since it was found in the forest I think? It's cold and rainy (hence the shivering emote found there)????
I remember it just like heat for forest
(guys what's the Air trial supposed to test, my app glitched and It didn't tell me the name lmao)
The red symbol represents Eden.
@patent veldt oh??
All these new murals 👀
(guys what's the Air trial supposed to test, my app glitched and It didn't tell me the name lmao)
@heady sinew Balance
LightRed = element of corrupted light. Found in places where darkness prevails, like the red crystals in eden. The swirl represents the storm
LightPurple = element of the power diamonds found throughout the realms+the memories they project
How do you Google it about that enchantment gifts name?
Ok not mine
Ehhh wait
I pasted it from someone else's comment.
Im confused
But why would the vault people make something like it..
We are talking about evil red light right?
If it was something to corrupt..
looks like daleth gave the other 3 or 4 elders the glow things
@fast jasper I can see the twins on the boat, prairie elder with green, and forest elder with blue
Not forest?
So we are talking about Eden and Vault only
Ahh I seee
Why do I take that forest thingies
The one with the red is wasteland?
Yesshhh
You mean these are supposed to be elders?
no, thé upper part of the mural
So another two elder?
Ooh alright
Hm...
The upper part of the mural has the prophets
we see Tsadi with Fire, Teth with Water, Samekh with Air, and Ayin with Earth
Omg ur right,,, I thought those were the Prophets
Other elders aren’t in the cool kids club
Ok who's Ayin again?
Mom said it's my turn on the Mystery Star
Daleth is on isle
and Lamed isn’t present in the mural
Prarie elser
Ayin from prairie
Isle: Daleth (ד)
Prairie: Ayin (ע)
Forest: Teth (ט)
Valley: Samekh (ס)
Wasteland: Tsadi (צ)
Vault: Lamed (ל)
Prince: Alef (א)
King: Resh (ר)
PLEASE NOTE: These names have appeared in concept art and are often used when referring to the elders. They are no longer canon, they are fanon.
Ahh thank youu
Oh
I need thia
Only remember teth , Lamed, Tsadi.
Ouh samekh with air
And Alef and resh.
Makes sense for the twins
Yeah Samekh to.
Twins on literal highest point of the map, save eden
I think Prince should take purple and king should take red
Daleth too.
Okay I'm so sorry here... I want to include genshin for a moment
No mention Genshin 
if thé prince/king are even separate
Why electro as purple is called as Aleph

Why electro as purple is called as Aleph
@median stone
Oh yeah maybe it's used for those memory projector things?? Since the archives were made to hold ancient knowledge in hopes of being able to be used in the future??
Season in vault where we get to see some of the memory cores
TGC Let us open the cubes
Stop having them be closed
Ok tell me about the previous seasons other than Enchantment
Ahh sorryyy no one know about that here😭
What was lightseeker about?? I never rlly heard anything about it
lemme explain a little
Though it seems to be very connected with enchantment
i wasnt around then but ive done some research
I joined a few days before when Enchantment started.
So I know nothing about the previous seasons.
Ya know
Android

THEORY: memory cores COULD be able to tell us about how the kingdom fell, in a sideways way. There’s knowledge of how the castle is constructed, documents on how power stones are made, and a little bit on how the red stone could be made 
Im just confused does aleph name is related to Royalty things as the electro hypo(purple cube boss) were named as Aleph too?
Huhuhuhuhu
No one can understand it
Incomprehensible. Thanks
So, we found another reason why the students died I think-
Or not.
But after completing the air trial
They went up to Eden
And has also visited the hidden forest.
So, the elders can actually grant their elemental powers.
gratitude was (and seems to be) a group of performers or worshippers. their story was rather limited since it was the first season
lightseekers was, as the name suggests, a group of spirits looking for lights. this season is when the « catch the light » quests were introduced (NOT the coloured enchantment lights, its the yellow/white ones)
belonging told us about a family who were scattered along the kingdom and we had to bring them home for dinner that granny (qg) had made.
rhythm was a group of performers. it’s a common headcanon that the leader of the group, the rhythm qg, has the ability to turn into a bird since the ending cutscene features a large bird and the whole group except the qg
and then from there it’s enchantment, sanc, and prophecy
legend has it that ... everything will change
And enchantment was revealing more things that there actually people who used magic.
alef is just...the name of the prince
sanctuary does have lore, it has manta lore 
Prophecy shows on how we are made.
Fire, water (dunno about water) , earth and air.
For water, I’m not sure how though
alef is just...the name of the prince
@lethal stump thank you... sob*
But I do know we can slip and slide like water 
Fire.. 
Okay okay wait so
The artificial lights were made by the vault ppl by encasing (??) Lights (??) In an (??) Orb (??) in hopes of recreating the elemental lights correct?
encasing natural lights (found by lightseekers) or imbuing them with something that made them mock-elements
So red being corrupted light wouldn't really make sense if that's the case because what would it be used for????
perhaps red represents a concept
Yeah....,,
such as history
considering red reveals the story of the ark
I feel like the red came from a krills eye 
What connection does the season of Prophecy have with the the lore like what are the trials
we’ll find out after fire 
Yes yes
shhh

What if the rhythm questgiver could be an owl
Like maybe transform or whatever into one?
maybe
although the headcanon goes that they turn into the bird in the rhythm cutscene
Which birb
search up « rhythm ultimate cutscene » on youtube and you will know the bird i’m talking about
im doing schoolwork, i can’t
Will get censored 😬
assuming you aren’t busy right now, just do it yourself, i currently can’t
I saw like a manta
But different shape
Just the size of a manta

It had those spikes
Or antenna lol
It has a beak
Those spikes look like feathers.
Ah I have just returned
Thank you very much bricky for explaining .
Okay y’all I’m back and ready to continue
Ready to use my non-existent brain juice
I’ll recap if anyone needs it
So my train of thought is that the different realms represent different areas and (more importantly) time periods for the kingdom. Isle of Dawn represents the fall from the stars, as all the spirits are migrants and there isn’t much there.
Daylight Prairie represents the kingdom being built. It’s peaceful and there’s workers of all kinds trying to understand the world around them and helping the kingdom function.
By Hidden Forest, danger is starting to set in and the people don’t like it. The dangers of the world unsettle them, which is why the spirits (workers as well) are cold, angry, dismayed and miserable. In trying to sustain what they have, they’re learning about the threats they face (like the Tearful Light Miner)
Valley was like a distraction. Games were put on to celebrate the good that they have and remind the kingdom that they’re okay. It works, for a little while. I’d say Valley, in an ironic sense, was the height of the kingdom.
everyone keeps typing but stopping and saying nothing
My brain juice isn't enough for this let me process this for a little while
everyone keeps typing but stopping and saying nothing
@scenic bloom trying to find the right words and squeeze brain juice![]()
My brain is still trying to process it myself lmao
I’m confused as what is “IT”
Felt that every time I make a theory,you aren't alone
Anyway shall I continue?
Yes
@scenic bloom the theory I’m talking about
I thought it was penny wise
Aight, eyes tired, brain empty, it was fun spending time and actually talking here !! Good night ~
I like just finished school-
It's 23:34 here-
I don’t live in the UK or Canada
Yeaaaaa
*what are the people gathering the colored lights FORRRR AAAAAHHHH
Okay so on to Golden Wasteland. The kingdom’s prosperity draws in enemies, mainly the Krill. So warriors are drafted to fight them. But they lose. They aren’t prepared to handle the Krill. And so all the warriors die. And they’re scared, right to the very end.
Same for me, Seal
@pseudo heart :0
COULD WE BE?
@pseudo heart :0
COULD WE BE?
@undone harbor 👀👀👀👀👀👀👀
It’s 9:34 am here 
It’s 12:35 pm here
Damn yall in the other side of the planet
11:35 am
*what are the people gathering the colored lights FORRRR AAAAAHHHH
@open quail probably because it was scattered when the Ark crashed or something and the ark ppl are stuckkrillso they ask skykids to go collect them hwjjwjsja
Should I continue on? There ain’t much more.
Goodnight Ali
Hopefully with more big brain juice tomorrow
Good night non binary
Good night for real !! Have fun lore-ing(?????)
Thank
Anyway, so Vault of Knowledge. If y’all know hindsight, this is more or less what it is. What remains of the kingdom desperately seeks information, and they confine themselves to the Vault to protect themselves while they search for answers. In this pursuit of wisdom, they gain their own kind of power (like telekinesis). But it’s not enough. They all die in the Vault, but their spirits persist to share what they’ve learned with anyone who comes by.
Maybe they even had the beginnings of a plan, but no hope of setting it into action. Which explains Eden, and why there’s no spirits found there, only Sky Kids that descended from the stars to try to answer the prayers of the spirits of the Vault.
So anyway there’s my two cents. What do y’all think?
👏 👏 👏
Hi
What does that mean
Do you have ideas of your own regarding what I just presented that you’d like to contribute (maybe to develop it further?)
Why can’t I say number 2
you’re using a censored term
Wait what?
you’re using a censored term
@lethal stump wdym
this is a family friendly server, and to ensure people aren’t being inappropriate, there are censored terms that lead to an immediate deletion of your message by the bot
But I don’t get how I can’t say number 2
#2 like this ?
what
what
@icy spruce wdym
?
Who were you saying what to
Oh, I was confused. Anyways lore
I think I just added on to my own theory with the elders
O
Mayhaps the elders were all leaders of the kingdom from their eras.
@scenic bloom it’s because there’s no reason for you to be bringing up vulgar topics like that
not to argue with you, Seraph, but in lore chat there kind of is
although we can use the word « droppings » instead
@Sneeze I mean like people like to say it on tv shows and they are kid friendly
There is no reason for those topics to be brought up here unless you purposefully just want to be gross
What why can’t I rick roll
Not on topic
there’s actually something the devs have sent us on a mission to find that they have nicknamed with that term and that item is lore-related (somewhat) so there is reason to talk about it here
@scenic bloom I hate to be rude, but if you’re going to try to do things like this, at least take it out of the lore channel and move to general
however, there is an alternative word, namely « droppings », so i don’t take issue with the censoring itself, only your presupposition that theres zéro use to saying that word
I forgot this was the lore channel
I mean I’m aware of that and the whole thing is a joke it’s not even lore related

it’s not ? but the devs said it is 

Because people kept bringing up the topic and being gross on purpose we’ve decided to censor the word and its variations
Also I am surprised you haven’t found out what it is by now? I’ve seen people say what it is here
Wait wdym “we’ve?
The moderation team
Bruh
sneeze is a community elder, that means mod
Yep
Ohh I didn’t know that
Mods has cyan-coloured titles
Also I am surprised you haven’t found out what it is by now? I’ve seen people say what it is here
no one has confirmed any findings, unfortunately
Shepherds are not moderators, you can learn more about shepherds in the #590700594662998016! And you can learn about mods in the #rules
ok back to lore ig
Everyone is coming out of nowhere
Hmmmm, we usually dont have lore on prarie (I think)
The point is: this server has over 170k members and a significant portion of those members have used certain words inappropriately or off-topic/spammy enough that it resulted in those words being censored. It does not mean that every single use that word might have is inappropriate, but we must apply rules to all server members in a fair way. Because of that, some jokes and other non-essential conversations here will also have to end and I ask you to please not try to circumvent out filter to say them
ok
Can y’all maybe add on to my idea I’ll send in a second about the general history of sky
Once there was a great civilization spread over 7 realms, filled with spirits and each realm was ruled by an elder spirit. Something happened in the largest and most powerful realm (Eden) and all the elder spirits were scattered to a place like limbo, and the regular spirits had lost their light. Something scattered ‘children of light’ all across the realms which you can collect to boost your flight power. The main goal of the game is to give as much light to ||the broken children in eden||
no need for spoilers here uwu
I was reading the Wikia page of sky cotl and kind of reading about Eden and I was kind of Shocked to read this fact-When players spam Call during the second-to-last section of Orbit, their Skykid will "sing" along with the singer in the background (AURORA).
I am imagining a moth hjönking with aurora
Trying to sing .
lmao
I wonder how that sounds
Please do that and record it wanna hear it .
The next time you go to Eden.
Please do that
Please please
Pls yes yes
i’ll do that if i can
I haven’t been paying to the lore.
And now I need to know what exactly happened and why we had to go through this cycle of life and death.
...Which I kinda got the gist of it thru @.danny9212#8621’s idea?
What else is there?
Oh it's not compulsory to do that though
I was just pointing out that it is such a cool detail by TGC.
I got most of my idea from the theory vault which is pinned I believe
If not I can send a link
it is pinned
Sorry I didnt read all of what you guys were saying so I’m not sure if anyone’s covered this, but after completing the air trial, this tapestry appears. This is actually a pretty big lore drop because it shows 4 of the elders (5 if u count the twins) with the four elements. Prairie with the earth, forest with water, valley with air and I think wasteland with fire (it could be isle idk it’s a little hard to see). This means that these four elders used the elemental powers to create their realms, which makes sense. Another thing I want to point out is how the wasteland elder is the only one not faced towards the mountain, most likely symbolizing that he used the fire for selfish war reasons against the darkness (but ultimately failed, as wasteland is now overrun with darkness after an ancient battle), I’m guessing this means that he used his infinite fire source as a way to make weapons, which is why in the wasteland cutscene, he’s powerless until the skykid gives him fire. Again, I have no idea how much of this was covered but I thought it was worth it to mention it.
that’s makes sense
And also clouds (fire mural)
especially in the intro cutscene where the king says “if only they listened”
So uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Well, nobody knew
Who said that
And also clouds (fire mural)
@icy spruce OH DAMN I DIDNT REALIZE THAT
yeah but it just makes the most sense to be the king
Maybe
I think
i guess we’ll find out in 13 days
Yep
idk sky is incredibly secretive about their lore
Yeah, since the lore of Sky is limited for now
I’ve been playing since July 2019 and I still don’t understand much of it
like idk if the cutscenes are flashbacks or anything they still confuse me lol
But then something is not right, the mountain shown in the Air mural is most likely Eden
And eden, according to someone in here
credits to them
Said that eden has all of the elements
Just corrupted
Huh..
Oh wait that makes a lot of sense
ah so that’s why its so windy in eden
Fire: Clouds
Water: Well, toxic water
Air: Well, air is just very..strong (and carries debris everywhere)
Earth: Rocky terrain
Don’t forget the rock rain
And ya have the glowy red crystals
Yep
Which could be earth
Hello 🥺
I am looking for the lyrics and song (during credits in Eden)
#questions-and-help ?? @dreamy pilot
Yeah you’d prolly find an answer there
Speaking of the song in orbit,
I didn’t realize AURORA was the singer
Me too
Who is Aurora
Norwegian singer/songwriter according to google
A singer.
You kinda recognize the name if you’ve seen Frozen 2.
also I found out yesterday that you can call the melody of the song which ik is probably a well-known fact but it makes me so happy
Yeah
Well, in general. The voice that is calling Elsa
Anyways, this is getting off-topic
So, BACK TO LORE
I like how we’re talking about the screaming in frozen two in a sky cotl lore channel
Imma try checking the theories— xd
its kinda weird to see this place without Lamed's statue...
lol
this season has dropped the most lore to the general timeline of sky out of any other ones yet
usually they hardly even mention the other elders in seasons
also lamed posture in that picture remind me of the statue in home...
True
where is that image taken?
okay lemme start a topic here 
why do you guys think we cant use our cape in the trials?
@hushed steeple uhhh vault oob
hmm
pain
Well, the trials is probably also a stimulation.
Since well, if you go to Earth trial
You can see your shadow but not the rocks
f l o a t
I currently dont have the photo rn
yeah it’s just like a simulation that those spirits put together
Since Im using PC
I’m just wondering how important the prophecy elder is to the story
The Prophecy is here? Hide!! 
i always thought it was to train the spirits to not rely on their wings (But some don't have capes, so idk)
But technically, at the parkour part for the checkpoint
You notice you can see ur shadow
But not the rock your standing
I think they just didn’t make shadows for the rocks lol
my take is
the trials exist to test our ability as a person. our cape is not ours, instead we are given the cape and ability to fly by the winged light. our original self is wingless, so it makes sense we cant use capes on the trials since we are meant to be wingless from the beginning
True
Do u guys think the prophecy elder made the elements?
also air trial is quite interesting. we can fly without capes after we learned the air element
I know of a prophet that keeps writing bruh on prophecies 
I mean the seasonal elder
which means we can only fly with help from outer aspect. flying is not meant to be our trait from the beginning. we can fly only after we got the wls or by the element
I don't think our cape is the reason we fly
at least it help us to fly
Season elder seems to be chief prophet
I didn’t see anything really dog like on the murals...
even when we wingless and try try to float on the clouds, it takes so painfully long time to reach a destination
the one with the horns is supposed to be him I think
I didn’t get a picture of the bottom mural but in the middle boat the taller figure has horns
i think its isle elder tho
i believe the qgs are like storytellers, they can be involved in the story or not
if it were isle elder they’d probably show him with the staff
hmm yea, but what if at that time isle elder didnt need staff yet?
A younger isle elder?
and usually in murals the isle elder is more more hunched over w his signature beard
those murals tell us a story from a long time ago
maybe the elders were different back then
I see a lot of people lying down on the 4 trials mural
Did a lot of people attempt the trial, only to be killed by it?
maybe, but I honestly don’t think they’d make it that complicated, every thing points to it being the qg
@open quail seems like it
we theorized that those dead people are the prophets' students
welp, just syaing what im thinking at least 

maybe he made the trials and the first people to finish them became the spirits
also did you see the tower thing beside the red light?
i believe its the cannon from wasteland
wait that’s a cannon??
Maybe the prophets were training their spirits to do each trial
the king-shaped cannon located above wasteland temple
@fast jasper yeh
according the tomcept
yeah, the wasteland elder uses fire to power his weapons so I definitely agree w that
this one
On the final temple in wasteland?
I didn’t even know that was in the game lol
cant get the whole picture of it cause its so h u g e
I don't think it helps us fly either
maybe just gliding, but that is a consequence of the physics engine
There is something in wasteland that shoots us across the ground and regives light
what are those gold wheel things at the end of forest and everywhere in wasteland?
the cannon is located at the chest area btw
with the gems that you have to light
@visual knoll manta juicer
what
you mean the slingshot
I don’t like the name of thatttt
manta juicer
yeah that
aw
so it makes the star thing that the vault elder has?
diamonds, yes
diamond
I fall into that thing every time 
taking a pic of this place is really a pain
and my lagging phone is not helping either
Ooooh
so why are there diamond pressers all throughout wasteland?
haha funni mountain i wonder what will happened here-
@visual knoll we speculated that gw was used to be a diamond factory like forest
Chaos
Butterfly elevator in Prairie is kinda upside-down juicer
Diamond presser that makes diamonds to power boats and other stuff
you have to wonder how the first diamonds were made, it is the chicken and egg problem
No relying on light creatures anymore, only artificial light now
@visual knoll we speculated that gw was used to be a diamond factory like forest
@bitter shale yeah that makes sense
i ahve to sleep cya
omggg im finding out so much more abt this now lol
So— cya Flos
good night
So artificial light as in, darkstones?
Night Flos
There are no light creatures on vault floor 1 
Forest temple door shows boats of butterfly pots from Prairie being combined w pieces of cloud trees
so then gw elder got obsessed with them and started experimenting with weapons to fight the darkness?
Oh yeah, I remembered this theory of diamonds made from light creatures and the trees in forest.
i dont think tsadi fit that speculation... i think it suit teth more
the obsession one
Wait, werent you going to sneep
and i heard teth and tsadi does related to each other

The light creatures get weak from the rain and get trapped in dark plants so why not harvest them 
I-
what’s teth and tsadi
oh they have NAMES
they used to have names but they are fanon now-
concept names
Wait a sec
interesting note that it seems even winged light can not stay in the prescence of rain, or it could just be concidence that the scattered memories are in places without direct exposure to rain
Possible/Theorized names for the elders
Ohhh yeah true
Right Vault and forest elder being related canon?
@icy spruce wasteland and forest
Oh
man i finally finished the trial now i can finally send the darn theory :pain:
The trial of air was terrible and I adored every moment that I suffered
alr brb
Lmao, the wind yeeted me to the last part somehow
The trial of air was terrible and I adored every moment that I suffered
@open quail right? I’ve been playing this game for well over a year now and I’m just so happy that they’re making good challenges
Can’t wait to go through all of it again when I go through Eden 
I’m excited to see how the fire is going to work
like shouldn’t it just make the skykid more powerful?
I’m just a lurker atm until I get enough lore to understand what’s happening.
lol
I think the murals say that people are gonna gather the colored lights for something but I dunno what
Wait
maybe they tried to make an omega diamond with the elements but it ended up becoming the red crystal?
The GIANT red diamond in pnr?
hhhhhhhh
@cyan dune Don’t forget to check out the pinned posts for the Lore Moff doc 😊
Yes
The colored lights might power the trials??? And then they had to get them back
I do think they were trying to return the light???? Or maybe make it into a huge power source cause those trials were crazy
I’m working on that. 
Imagine what you could do with four lights powerful each enough to make an entire island float together
Y... yes?????
Is it somehow all connected?
I’m talking about the colored lights on the murals
Brb work
I think the orbs are artificial elements (all of them) like the replica of the original element (proph) or something
And what I meant is, sometimes people call the elements in proph, lights (applied to the orbs in enchant)
So uh yea-
Cross-season matching of lights btw Enchantment/Prophecy??

Enchantment didn’t have a yellow light to match Prophecy earth light
Enchantment light colors were basically RBG/CMY but the last two were redubbed purple and orange
imagine in like a year they connect all the seasons and it was all one huge lore drop that we just didn’t notice

and sanctuary was actually the biggest lore drop and not just some spirits going on a vaca lmao
the only reason they didn’t make the earth light yellow is cuz then it would look like a normal lightseekers light
True
And that would be VERY confusing
Also, enchantment has green light
Which does the flora
and stuff
Ohhh, were the regular comets originally from Lightseekers season?
Enchantment wind light was cyan
Enchantment red light was what, illusion?
Then what was orange?
orange was the last one that’s all I know
I think it just gave u the potion and spells shop
P much
I thought red would be a lore drop or be like darkness but instead it just gave the murals lol
How many kids would a skykid kid if a skykid could kid kids?

how do you kid kids
Piggyback
A skykid can sky kids by yeeting with large projectile weapons
It’s been ages since I catapulted a moth
Orange was clued as “warmth in a cold place” ~fire???
orange is sacred, that all I know
Ah what are you guys discussing about?
dunno
Thatskyboo and his boring riddles.
Ok tell me what you theorising about?
Imma join the convo
Yeah purple opens the shop
Orange is well, fire
Aka, kinda like bringing life to the shops
So Water was bestowed upon the Forest
Earth to Prairie
Air to the Valley?
and fire to Golden wasteland?
mhm
What language is that?
this is what I said on it
Yep
What language is that?
@mossy bay
Hebrew
the elders’ names are hebrew letters
Its the names of the elders. Well, fanon in case you didnt know
Where can we see the elders names in game?
Isle: Daleth (ד)
Prairie: Ayin (ע)
Forest: Teth (ט)
Valley: Samekh (ס)
Wasteland: Tsadi (צ)
Vault: Lamed (ל)
Prince: Alef (א)
King: Resh (ר)
PLEASE NOTE: These names have appeared in concept art and are often used when referring to the elders. They are no longer canon, they are fanon.
So where does the Hebrew connection stem from then?
Ah i see
have you read the lore moff doc, @mossy bay ?
Is it pinned? What you link it for me?
Moffs of on reading docs
Hello new Lore Moff!
Read this short document to get started! Once you’ve read this, check out pins for more information. 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto/edit
it’s not pinned, but it’s useful
So question NOT for Brick: where's Lamed in this?
hehehe
Also where is Daleth?
I’m not new to the lore channel... but can you show me a picture of the concept art you are referring to please?
it’s several pictures, i’m not sure if i have them all
Well never seen any special elements in isle and vault.
Then could you please share at least one?\
Vault does have a special element tho. It's "like a dream", suggesting a mental element
here’s one with the names on the bottom, Resh as a name was added to the Eden Elder later
Thank you 
Still mad at elder sized Aleph
i love his l’oréal hair
Do these have English meaning or not really?
The names
the names are hebrew letters, they have meanings
Daylight prairie: Flora , vegetation , that's why green Earth element
Valley: there are strong wind currents there .
Hidden forest: rain , puddles and streams of water , but harmful now.
Wasteland : Don't know about this one.
hebrew letter meanings
‘Teth’ Describes the Forest elder perfectly: snakey
yeah
lmao
Like, we need to light up things to activate catapults and cannons
@hushed steeple in the wasteland cutscene, the skykid lights his weapon and he gains power
True
they all represent them well
notice how tsadi mentions “to desire”, the gw elder was trying to defeat the darkness with his fire power and became to obsessed with it to the point where he couldn’t foresee that they would lose the battle
Tsadi was greedy though
Chat ded
snorp! 
While the topic has passed, popping in to reiterate what the Mods were explaining earlier that was getting some push back from the lore channel. The manta poop thing exists in the game, that doesn't make it story-driven. It has been correctly identified by players, but we're not going to confirm any further. It really does not need to be discussed ad nauseum, while it's a fun tidbit we gave, discussion tends to veer into discussion that's not exactly appropriate.
Please respect the guidance of mods, they are here to keep things on topic and family friendly at the request of TGC. You should not need to have staff to step to say the exact same thing for it to be taken seriously.
hi Ktjn!
Ohhh, so thats what happened earlier
Ktjn, if you have time, can I relay to you a question a fellow theorist wanted to ask but they aren't online right now?
So about the manta juicer thing in the previous replies , they used them to make diamonds then I definitely believe that the white manta cape from the season of sanctuary is actually the skin of a dead manta.

Manta cape has been confirmed faux manta
O-
if I remember correctly I’m pretty sure ash or reika said that they aren’t actually made from mantas....
But
If that’s what u think, then yay manta cruelty

And yeah I probably said that before (joke , don't take it seriously) , they made wine from manta juice.
And elders drank it and got drunk.
What would it taste like?
Manta juice
Steps to make manta juice:
• grab the manta by their tails
• put them in a blender
• your manta juice is ready.
Enjoy your manta juice.
Who fancies some lore speculation on the Air Trial murals?
The 4 lights appear to relate to the trials, and we see the Isle elder with some ancestors, possibly before they were spirits, with the 4 lights near the rock looking towards the cave of prophecy.
They also have boats, possibly to carry the lights to the Sky realms.
Above it appears to me that we have Forest elder (bottom) with blue light,
Wasteland elder (left) with red/orange light,
Prairie elder (right) with green light,
and Valley elders (top) with the cyan light.
My interpretation is that it is what allowed
water (blue light / water trial) into forest to allow growth of trees,
earth and plants (green light / earth trial) into Prairie to create the villages and floating islands,
fire? (orange/red light) into Wasteland to fuel the lamps, factories and battles,
and Air (cyan light / air trial) into Valley to help build the floating citadel.
Unfortunately ingame we see forest overtaken by water (rain, rivers, and floods).
Wasteland in a "burnt out" state.
Prairies buildings being taken over by plant life.
Valley with broken, still floating buildings.
Then 4 ancestors (spirits?) climbing a mountain which looks suspiciously like Eden.
Vault Elder is suspiciously missing, unless I have missed them.
(sorry for the wall of text, but nothing like getting the theories out there for discussions)
Ah I am going to sneep
Happy theorising
I don't wanna sneep in between my zoom classes.
Good night


Ooo I didn’t know that was light green.
I thought it was yellow.
I'm still not sure if the one wasteland has is orange or red, I'm thinking orange for
reasons rather than
reasons
You know, with one spirit starving to death alone in a cave and another dying of injury and exhaustion after stumbling through a battle field... A manta cape made of baby manta does not feel all that out of place
i mean, you're not wrong
sky lore is frickin dark man
Forest - Water, Prarie - Earth, Wasteland - Fire and Valley - Air
When you go to eden, are you actually playing as the same sky kid again and again? I always thought your kid gives themselves up and they reincarnate into a 'newborn'
My thought was that our "bodies" are just vessels for the "light" we actually are, and the cosmetics are what allow ourselves to show that inner light on the outer body
Hey that's a cool thought. My question is on the vessel. Do we a get a new one after the previous vessel delivers their light? I would think so but idk
Man ya'll got BUSY-
I think you do get a new one of sorts- the old vessel is all but shattered in Eden
Then again it'd be troublesome if you ran out of Vessels because your Skykid ran into hell over and over
Omg what did I miss and why was krilltjn here
WHAT IF THEY MADE TRIALS THAT BORING AND CHALLENGING ON PURPOSE????? WHAT IF IT HAS TO DO WITH LORE????? LIKE ALL THE HARD TIMES TGC WENT THROUGH WHILE CREATING THE SKY????? OMG! ANY IDEAS???
Ease off on the caps there m8 XD
i mean yeah maybe the meta lore was that they wanted us to suffer on some level
But I digress
and idk Gab I was scrolling up Tsadi did a big bad
any thoughts to what the guide's connection could be to the prophets? right now i only think of him as a narrator as there isn't much to work with (nor do i want to go into Way Too FanFic-y territory)
i thought the guides would finally start to have more involvement beginning with sanctuary, but apparently not
any thoughts to what the guide's connection could be to the prophets? right now i only think of him as a narrator as there isn't much to work with (nor do i want to go into Way Too FanFic-y territory)
i thought the guides would start to have more involvement similarly to sanctuary, but apparently not
@eternal totem i actually really like the idea that the guide is more of a narrator
Now that you mention it the guide himself barely shows up
I agree with the narrator thing though
it adds to the atmosphere of it in a way
he looks extremely fancy though, did the megabird personally send him? 😅
I kind of doubt it stops there because of what his mask represents
It closely resembles Anubis- Egyptian god of mummification
Idk I had to brush up on yhis but this is what Google gave me
My question, does anyone have pics of the murals? I never get a good view
Credits to Wolf for making these
As for the mask thing boi I'm as lost as you are
That said he's also mentioned to be a guardian of tombs
Ty
... The shrines could be said to be tombs...
But then who looks over Daleth's tomb? I could see Lamed's being too destroyed to have a remaining prophet... Unless it IS the questgiver?
Wait wait wait, didn’t the season of enchantment have colored lights?
Could this have a connection to this season?

Definitely did but if you look at them again the colors of the orbs sent to the realms are different
In an earlier convo Butters mentioned the Enchantment connection and how it could relate to why the realms look so ruined
In Prophecy;
Blue= Forest
Green= Prairie
Cyan = Valley
Orange = Wasteland
So we have the “elements” but what are they being transported as? Light? An object? A person?
However, in Enchantment;
Blue= Valley
Green= Prairie
Cyan= Isle
Orange= Forest
We believe that those colored orbs from Enchantment are replicas of the elements
Or at least- made in imitation of the elements with help from the light gathered by the Lightseekers
If that is true, the sky season timeline isn’t in chronological order
argh they can’t make this easy, can they
but some seasonal spirits are seen together
Lmao it won't be as fun if it were that easy
leaping dancer and twirling champion were seen together
no, goodluck
All we sort of have is Prophecy>Lightseekers>Enchantment
The prophecy once foretold of skykids that never rest. They never saw the darkness that swiftly engulfed them. Don’t forget to charge your phones 
i honestly feel that earlier seasons didn't have lore in mind
charged it last night Boophet
I thought that guy w the horns in the qg, but either way it makes sense for them to be giving out the elements
Well it was fun talking to y’all, but I have to go. I’m not much use to the conversation anyway, lol. Bye!
I just think that if it was daleth, they’d show him with his beard and staff to make that obvious
the murals seem more simplified here
I think it'd make sense for either one to have delivered them
I do kind of find it weird that Daleth's without his staff tho-
lore and big brain thinking
isn't really my strong suit, i find this season's guide the most intriguing but there's barely any involvement from him, oh well, later T T
There's two weeks left of this dark you can hold out XD
Ohhhhh- more holding out then-
Food for thought though, maybe the Season Guide was something of an old model for a Skykid- the ones doing the actual guiding of lost souls
Passed the trials but is unable to go through death and rebirth himself
That's just me grasping at straws though
he does look young in the promo artwork, but it could be early concepts too
like in enchantment, when the guide was seen holding a 7th "light" that never made an appearance
True- guess I'll see in two weeks-
good thing I have school to keep me busy till then qwq
guide hold a white brightest light
why is it so quiet in here
calm before the fire trial storm
aaahh i didnt think to look in here after suffering through doing the air trial 
I think Vault elder might be a purple light
Red and blue make purple
Vault elder is wasteland and forest elders’ child confirmed- gets krilled
Is it a trial of fire or trial by fire??? 
anyone have any idea why the trials seem to all be white and icey?
hmm
could it be more of a mental trial since we're meditating and then sent there?
ohh, true
also||air trial as so hard oh my god i almost threw my phone||
|| kdlsjklsad fair, i stopped for a bit to chat on discord ||
||i played it in beta and it was NOT tjis hard omg||
Yeah it could be a mental trial
That was an actual physical trial at some point
Where a lot of people died trying to do 
Yeah it could be a mental trial
That was an actual physical trial at some point
Where a lot of people died trying to do :fear_sweat:
OOOH thats a good one, seeing as how we see the past experiences of the spirits/elders kinda????
yeah 😟 sad to think abt those spirits lol, it could be mental since we dont lose stars when we fall in the void
and no cape/spells
We have no stars to lose xD
just baby mode 
true but we dont like , die 🤭
Just fade to white and restart like a dream
yep, and also the fact we're in a cave, and having a huge empty space in there would be kinda hard to do
Maybe these prophets can manipulate dreams
I wonder what is the backstory of the Days of Summer Lights
hmm
guysssssss i did it!!!!! i finished the sir trial!!!

ayy congrats
I wonder what is the backstory of the Days of Summer Lights
@fading shoal it was based off of some cultures I forgot about but sky took some inspiration from them and wanted to implement it in the game. Like I said I totally forgot and I think it was for a certain new year celebration and they decided to add lanterns and boat lights ⛵️ 🔥
a bit of a hot take on my bit but
A voyage to distribute the elements, then-
Circle thing seems to represent fallen stars tho
The elements have different symbol
But both of them are shown to be taken somewhere in the mural
Ave u are here all the time do u sleep?
Oh I go by Vir
But I slept before this I'm just in class right now
I get bored so you can imagine I use up all my brain cells for lore
/Meerkat where the anubis dude?
Boats boats boats!

Anubis dude seems to be missing from a lot of this and it's low-key sus
all I got from the boats thing is that paper existed in this world XD
The ancestor spirits loved transportation links is what I took away
They're like fangirls they really liked ships
What if Lamed isn't a true Elder, and only became an elder by consuming the king
i-
what
Hence the lack of purple light or role in the mural so far
i want to say something about it but it's probably an inappropriate word
i think you all know which one it is though
that is both an ingenius way to think about it and terrifying at the same time
That helps me not. Can you give me a general feeling of why you would say it?
How about
though?
I could just say cannibalism so I'll settle for that-
Technichally not cannibalism if it's a different species. Also WHYYYYYYYYYYYY
My ideas are a VERY DIFFERENT breed of horrible than yours
but how could a tiny person like Vault mama consume a literal building-
or are we talking essence
Well if the king was a prince who. Used technology to be tol, that's one way
Maelstrom#5212 that's fire light, right?
Doesn't Tsadi have that?
it is red light, fire is orange light
Nah Fire Light straight up looked like fire
I don't even know anymore
Then what is red swirl?
@short owl I thought orange was fire rather than red
In enchantment red had something to do with the ark murals so idk what it is in terms of elements
But it "likes dark areas" according to the Enchantment search quest text
I have a vivid memory that orange light was the last light and also it lighted up the ark and its surroundings


