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+Ugly fat king
i dunno if I'd call him fat he kinda looks like he works out
look at those pecs, man’s been lifting
He's on steroids
/pfffft king on steroids-
how it feels to chew 5 gum
how it chews to gum five feel
gum gum
sense your stimulates
I'm here
theories are by definition not canon
however it’s basically a given that there was some sort of war in wasteland
any further details are pure scrutiny
So it was a hint ?
...no, it was an observation of the obvious
/broken shields
- weapons
- shields
- barricades
- an area called battlefield
thus, there was a war
Marked
yes, as i just said, we know some sort of fight happened, but we do not know details about it
Swords
/hmmm
i think it was ancestors vs elders, i like to think it was a revolution 
I dont think it was every ancestor vs every elder
🦀 ?
For instance I dont think the prairie elder would be on the same side as the wasteland elder
/a war against crabs...????
If it was a giant kreb it will be pretty reasonable
I don't think so
/plot twist the shields are just different ranks in the sky military
Sounds reasonable
/the tru enemy is the poop
Maybe
Poop have super intelligence
/plot twist the shields are just different ranks in the sky military
That would be a little disappointing tbh
double agent ?
/double agent as in he was with the diamond side because the sun side needed ìno
/ info hello telex gang
@normal lintel Pardon?
@hushed steeple yeah sure
can't believe you had the audacity to ping me
Lore
not sure if i'd count this as lore but - hypothetically speaking, if the eden diamond explosion didn't happen, if the king wasn't corrupt (if these things actually happened), what do you think might have happened?
with that i gotta nyoom off now take care friends
@hushed steeple here u go
See the lil crowny thing
Well hes bottom part isn't spiky unlike the picture you sent
/i think he's eating the circle
It's probably the fruit that wolfy and i discussed about
It's the supposedly "fruit" that made the king corrupt
/i think he's eating the circle
The ones with sweet colouring hell yeah!
When you say fruit are you talking about garden of eden, apple caused corruption and downfall fruit
Wow, that is what it is like actually
A poison fruit mayhaps?
Is the giant power diamond a representation of the apple
Why apple
Apple?
Well I dont know, I thought people where talking about fruit that the king ate and brought about his downfall. Then I put that with eye of eden or the biblical garden of eden and that apple that adam and eve ate and I put them together
orrrrr, it could be a representation of that. it makes a lot of sense to me
guys i found some pics in early Βeta
What in the Skies is that?
Ah theorising without.me again.
what is that group
/hmm?
What is lore chat what is lore what is going on who am i and who are you
/chill friend chill
/lore is just stories, lore chat tries to figure out sky's story, how it works, how it is etc
Hello new Lore Moff!
Read this short document to get started! Once you’ve read this, check out pins for more information. 
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/ Og by Bricky
omg thats awesome
here we, uh, overthink everything
/you seem new
and yeah we talk about the story of sky and all that
here we, uh, overthink everything
@frail hearth it's inside of my brain then
/well, if anything, check the doc i link!
We theorise about what happened to sky before our respective skykids were born.
What caused the destruction and downfall too
And yeah be aware that this will spoil you like the last level and ending of this game
And many other things
So if you haven't completed the game , you can turn back.
The charts above look extremely interesting, sadly i don't speak the language they're written in(
Here we exhaust last of our brain juice lol
hey Jen, i am actually genuinely curious why you always put a / before everything. sorry if that sounds rude
Then I have to go to gen chat to refill my brain juice with the chaoticness
Hey chat dead again?
Me cries cuz just arrived
hey Jen, i am actually genuinely curious why you always put a / before everything. sorry if that sounds rude
@summer shell /oh wow i sound put a candle everytime i got ask huh. it's okay tho i dont mind being asked. it started with some decent king propaganda, then it stuck eversince
guys i found some pics in early Βeta
@willow shoal the capes was so beautiful
I thought you said it was a typing quirk
stares in homestuck
Ehm just came from eden spoilers
What happened to eden elder?
Why do we have to sacrifice there?
Why does everything there want to kill us?
Who are those "stone kids"
How was orbit formed?
Why is it there
alright slow down
What caused the downfall of the elders?
there are no confirmed answers
Darkness just punch light every time they see them
can some1 tell me what happen through 1 month when i didnt hav time to look and type?
/oh wow i sound put a candle everytime i got ask huh. it's okay tho i dont mind being asked. it started with some decent king propaganda, then it stuck eversince
@gilded fossil propa-whaaa i thought it was a habit
And where the "fish" did all the water in eden come from?
Alright that’s a long list of questions
oh a sky movie would be epic
Alright that’s a long list of questions
@undone harbor I don't need sleep i need answers
oh a sky movie would be epic
@summer shell oh f yes
Tbh same
In anime style?
no
I don't like anime personally
What happened at shipwreck?
@jagged compass krill went brrrr
The amount of flying and cgi...
my message flew away
then invent real light capes
H-how
¯_(ツ)_/¯
I need irl movie not animated or cartoony like bruh cgi exists
it would be hard, but worth it
)
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oh
It was not family friendly
@dapper copper
The crimes you have committed
yeah-
@dapper copper please don’t circumvent the filter. keep in mind this is a family friendly server when making posts. 
@dapper copper please don’t circumvent the filter. keep in mind this is a family friendly server when making posts.
@exotic shuttle ok sorry
man i want a whole story to the lore discussions you guys made i keep on doing back read but im still cofused
We need a movie!!!!!!!!
no
We want a movie!
NO DONT
No
bad idea bad idea
we can’t spam tho
"Almost"
It has one hour cooldown
Ah ok
Can do once
NO DONT
Don't encourage spam in that channel please, and keep this channel on-topic. If you would like to discuss ideas to suggest to TGC, you can do so in #general-sky-discussion or a private chat and one person can submit it
Area 51 raid
PLEASE DO NOT THAT WILL BACKFIRE
This channel is for discussing the lore of the game, however, so please keep it that way
ALRIGHT BACK TO THE QUESTIONS
I mean we can ask in wishlist
CAN SOMEONE DO A WHOLE ESSAY ABOUT THE LORE IN THIS GAMEE
THERE IS 0 LORE SKDHN
i will help answer questions, i want to test my knowledge
CAN SOMEONE DO A WHOLE ESSAY ABOUT THE LORE IN THIS GAMEE
@floral oasis a lot of people did
Yes an essay
WAIT WHERE
I'm real curious haha
Throughout the history of this chat
or like a story on ao3 or wattpad
let's start with the first question
There are essays everywhere
@undone harbor offie charge your phone 10%
lol
so as far as i know the eden elder is just not around to be saved, it isn't confirmed if they are dead or not
Hmmm
Will it be possible in the future
Where are they then?
I searched everywhere
some people theorise the eden elder is the king
To confirm,I’m not a professional theorist,just someone who loves making crackpot theories and king-shaming
You can see king in statues in battlefield
oooh
yes
@frail hearth I need a pic of the king or eden elder atleast a fan made
whos the prince?
yes hold on
Hello new Lore Moff!
Read this short document to get started! Once you’ve read this, check out pins for more information. 
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Og by Bricky
this can help
Crackpot theory,TGC was supposed to spread king propaganda but they hated him so they spread king hate
a gift from god
Again theorising without me ? Huh?
COME HERE WE GONNA THEORIES TOGETHER
IMMA READ THE GOOGLE DOCS PEOPLE ILL BE BACL
YES
Some say the eden elder killed himself through that big diamond in Eden
I mean we want more to the story
Now Megan said alright gotta pay for that kiddo
Sky in just repeating 😬
Come to Tom Zhao’s website,concept arts are good for lore
We cant save anyone more
there is a doc in the pins that has all canon info
Like i want to bring back the sky kingdom back to normal
Sky in just repeating 😬
@jagged compass
That's the point my friend , Megan(megabird ) made the king reborn as our respective skykids , so he could pay for the acts the whole eternity , repeatedly sacrificing and dieing.
It's the Circle of Life
And death
um when i first started sky i didnt read the cutscenes um whats whole story bout sky??
intro cutscene if you need it #lore-discussion-spoilers message
There'll probably more stuff in store for us in the future so hang in there

The circle of life ~ lion King flashbacks.
intro cutscene if you need it #lore-discussion-spoilers message
@frail hearth THANKSS
intro cutscene if you need it #lore-discussion-spoilers message
@frail hearth THANKSS
And oh snap lemme go back to lurking bye
i was gone, now i am back. what are we talking about?
YW
Like i want to bring back the sky kingdom back to normal
@jagged compass
Unfortunately that's not possible for now
If only they had listened
listen to whatt??
I think the story itself is sort of cautionary tale
ooooh
im sure the realms can be fixed
Check and read the pins carefully , take your time and return back or visit the locations yourself to understand and research
but eden is another story
I'm traumatised Lm o
Watch the cutscenes with awareness
We still don’t know who is the narrator of the first cutscene
Studythe mural aka the paintings done on the walls
i like to think it is megabird
Me too
*cutscenes
Nor do we know if they are being honest or properly informed
i have a theory™️ about the narrator and the "only if they had listened" part
Tell usssss
Introducing unreliable narrator makes a big mess :p
whats your theory koma
The intro says bring the lost stars home.... Yeah sure but how??!!
Like the only one who the elders and king would listen to is Megan

#lore-discussion-spoilers message my theory©️
The intro says bring the lost stars home.... Yeah sure but how??!!
@jagged compass
By ascending them
Got 10 stars today
Make sky one again
What are the lost stars though
I think the lost stars can refer either to the elders or the statues you save in Eden.
do we see any murals or renditions of the megabird in-game, for a prominent deity that the ancestors respected(worshipped) you would expect to at least see depictions of its presence in murals or emblems.
the statues in eden are the fallen
Megan is in the lake around the office gate
Well there's one theory that the king symbol is Megan's symbol
Megabird (I call it the Phoenix) is a deity in sky , higher in power than the king himself
but only one place, why is that?
I had less questions when I came here
#lore-discussion-spoilers message my theory©️
@frail hearth tho skybot isn't made by devs
What SkyBot says isn't actual lore from devs:
#lore-discussion-spoilers message
Megan(megabird) is the source of light/flame you use in the game
It’s funny how we call megabird Megan though
I call it phoenix
Is sky gonna be like this.... Forever?
probably
Is sky gonna be like this.... Forever?
@jagged compass
Yep and no
I don't know either
“Behold,the high and mighty megabird!”
“Megan”
“No its-“
“Megan”
supposedly if you never got the founder's cape, you would never know of the image. it makes me think that anything beyond the founder's cape barrier should not be considered lore,
unless we have to get an IAP for lore
Skykids are stuck in permanent death/rebirth loop just like link and Zelda from Zelda games
Why tho?
terrible fate
Why tho?
@jagged compass
Punishment
Megan punished The prince / king by making him reborn and make him die because of the deeds he has done in his life.
Eden is the skykid's terrible fate
So are we part of the king/prince?
So are we part of the king/prince?
@jagged compass
There is a theory that we skykids are the king / prince reborn.
unless we have to get an IAP for lore
@hushed steeple shhh don't give em ideas
Hey can i dm you 😬 @patent veldt
@jagged compass okie
I feel a big paragraph is coming
I am nervous
Same
Why?
Because -
• During the vault cutscene, it is revealed that our friend constellation is actually the Eden constellation
•Our friend constellation is in in the shape of a crown with a star
at the tip
•Also note that during the vault cutscene , all the elders together kneel in front of you
Like how we kneel in front of a higher authority/in higher status, we bow like that in front of a king .
Who will bow at an ordinary kid?
Why do i always skip cutscenes
samee fibgi
i think they bowed because they expected you
Makes sense actually
oooh
You can't skip cutscene on first gameplay tho 
Yes that's why I payed attention to cutscenes a lot.
I was lazy to watch and i still amm
samee T__T
Then why do the spirits charge 30 hearts for a table from a king?
i tpayed attention at my first game but i didnt get it at all
Also the may be bowing as a sign of gratitude
Then why do the spirits charge 30 hearts for a table from a king?
Well, they don't know if we are King, if you dress in a costume nobody will recognize u
Now we enter the game of
"Lore or game mechanic"
oh yes
Makes more sense
everything is lore until proven otherwise
Omg you have a lot of lore
beyond reasonable doubt*
which i consider IAP wall to be beyond reasonable doubt
Then was everything all right when the king was alive?
I've seen some people headcanon that moth hair might be the OG Prince hair
Just want to share, I thought it's interesting
With whom did the war take place in battlefield
Also, only gw elder kneels, kind of a military salut but better
Twins, Mama, Granny, Grandpa and Uncle bow
I already figured out that there must be an eden elder and something happened to him , then I entered this chat , rewatched the cutscene and yeah that makes sense.
With whom did the war take place in battlefield
Details aren't clear for now
But there are the whole civil war theory
I just said wrong, only vault elder stands and bows, everyone else kinda kneels?
My brain is overheating send help
man all this lore open my mind but is like history subject
Maybe Eden is the place where skykids unite to do the same mission,and in the end we see skykids with our friends' name flying with us,so Eden constellation is the friendship constellation
Some elders were against the diamond technology
I believe there actually more realms than the usual 7
I just said wrong, only vault elder stands and bows, everyone else kinda kneels?
@stone rivet in those clothes kneeling is like
Impossible
Ooh
But were completely destoyed during the big Boom.
With whom did the war take place in battlefield....
man all this lore open my mind but is like history subject
@floral oasis we are like archaeologists
Digging up everything to try to understand the past
wouldnt they bow at you because you saved them? isnt that what were supposed to do save those eleders?? or nah
yes omg
I think they kneel at you because we are doing a really important mission,something the elders couldn't do themselves
I have seen that you kneel in front of a king like that
we are like archaeologists
Digging up everything to try to understand the past
that's it, that's the lore chat is all about
wouldnt they bow at you because you saved them? isnt that what were supposed to do save those eleders?? or nah
It's a little bit of both, really
And we can kneel at someone we admire like that too
@stone rivet in those clothes kneeling is like
Impossible
@undone harbor that's a floor length dress, at least bowing is ok, not just standing there
We exhaust all our brain juice here and refill it in gen chat
YES GEN CHAT SKSKSK
Yeah
ive never been to ge chat lool
Wait did vault elder bow or do anything or she just stand there
something is off with the megabird only shown in the image at the office portal, and the credits
GO TO GEN CHAT AND DISCOVER YOUR WILDNESS
Did the king kill himself?
ive never been to ge chat lool
@floral oasis
Don't go there , There is chaos everywhere
OH JNGNB
Did the king kill himself?
@jagged compass
Yep kind off
who do i follow @patent veldt or @undone harbor
Maybe Eden is the place where skykids unite to do the same mission,and in the end we see skykids with our friends' name flying with us,so Eden constellation is the friendship constellation
@undone harbor lore moff here but![]()
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I actually have a theory (after seeing the posters in office, where the each realms signify a point in life from birth to death) and the reason why we see all these elders and our friends at the orbit are actually the skykids reliving their past memory or smth?? Like how ones life "flashes before their eyes" when one dies??
Lore moff yes brain go brrr
(no I have not,,, rummaged through the doc yet so uhmmmm) 
How like did he stand in the hidden forest rain
something is off with the megabird only shown in the image at the office portal, and the credits
@hushed steeple do you think it has anything to do with king propaganda?
Aight back to lurking 
its like 12am and i just recently started reading this lore chat and my brain is 
who do i follow @patent veldt or @undone harbor
@floral oasis you must choose your own path child
We only guide you until this way
Welcome to lore chat
Hidden forest rain is either cold rain or g w polluted water like
I used to be in gen chat all the time until I discovered lore chat
Go choose where you belong child
MEGAN IS SANS
WHAT
You need both of us
Why did the king kill himself?
Actually I believe that Megan is a phoenix
"MEGALOVANIA INTENSIFIES*
i got ignored on gen chat and i never came back lol
I used to be the honk police in gen chat sksksk
"MEGALOVANIA INTENSIFIES*
@stone rivet DOOT DOOT DOOT DOOT
Why did the king kill himself?
@hushed steeple do you think it has anything to do with king propaganda?
@hybrid oxide i mean off as in that those are the only places we see depictions of the megabird, a central deity/myth so crucial to the history of sky should at least be portrayed more or have remnants within the culture of the ancestors don't you think?
Hidden forest rain is either cold rain or g w polluted water like
@patent veldt yeaa like one of the pipes
i got to stop pinging myself
Megasans
i chose megabird
but then how do the rain stops in forest??
The king kill himself thing isn't confirmed yet
But it's something we can go deep into
Megan + Sans =
Megasans
Sagan
Gansa
Mens
@hushed steeple
Megasans for me
It sounds like mega + sans .
If Megan and fuse together sans will be a god.
oooh
But how do the bells affect the rain?
yeaa
Bells in forest?
but then how do the rain stops in forest??
song of stormsof course, the chimes of storms
The bells on the bridge
Can everything in sky be fully explained?
Are you thinking about krebs?
MEGASANS
also kids being a prince reincarnation is busted by intro because kids are twsked with bringing the stars
Like where do krebs come from?
song of stormsof course, the chimes of storms
@hushed steeple
Song of storms
Sky canon to Zelda timeline confirmed!
i mean off as in that those are the only places we see depictions of the megabird, a central deity/myth so crucial to the history of sky should at least be portrayed more or have remnants within the culture of the ancestors don't you think?
@hushed steeple hmm you have a point there
But I think It's also possible that the king erased Megan depiction and image so the sky people would only worship him or something as "the new god"
Thus, his biggest sin
This is just me spitballing btw 😂😂
Can everything in sky be fully explained?
@jagged compass everything is so vague in Sky that most of our theories might not be true
😂😂
DONT
there is a theory vault
DO NOT HURT US LIKE THIS
What if.... TGC didn't have any theory
TGC just sit there laughing at us
OML AND THEY JUST LIKE CREATING SKY ALONG WITH THE FLOW
Yes
TGC kinda sus
@hushed steeple hmm you have a point there
But I think It's also possible that the king erased Megan depiction and image so the sky people would only worship him or something as "the new god"
Thus, his biggest sinThis is just me spitballing btw 😂😂
@hybrid oxide
Actually I do think that's the reason
King wanted all the fame and glory for himself
So he erased every evidence of the existence of the megabird , he wanted the people to believe that he made sky , people should worship him instead of Megan.
He is the god
@hushed steeple hmm you have a point there
But I think It's also possible that the king erased Megan depiction and image so the sky people would only worship him or something as "the new god"
Thus, his biggest sinThis is just me spitballing btw
i don't think history can be erased that easily
they have a story team, who check aspects of the game to make sure they line up with the story
i don’t think tgc is « making it up as they go along ». they have an idea of the story
History is written by the victor
so the king won against the megabird?
Because you base all of your lore theory on biology since you realize that storytelling and mythos are a memetic (Richard Dawkins, “The Selfish Gene”) subset of Nature, I offer you the following article on the kreb topic. ⚡️🦀⚡️
Again, I am spitballing
Crabs and Convergent Evolution: Carcinization Explained
https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a34389129/crab-evolution-carcinization/
oh what will happen after 2 years??
oh yes the selfish gene
Yeah want will happen?
like a new game??
Will we ever get a complete story?
also, history can be erased easily
take the indigenous peoples of north and south america
their history has been almost entirely erased and is barely being kept alive
bc i saw on pinned that sky cotl is like the first game
A part 2?
No,if the player base is still large,then the game will continue
barely, not destroyed completely
@jagged compass have you read the lore moff doc ?
Or maybe the king said he can contact Megan , like the Oracle of Delphi
I did
then i hope you understand that the devs will probably never give us a hard and fast story
How did the darkness fal then?
the point is for it to be up to interpretation
So people started worshipping him
Or maybe the king said he can contact Megan , like the Oracle of Delphi
@patent veldt or a prophet
Dun dun duuun
Hey, so if prairie made boats, pots and collected animals.
Forest made empty power diamonds and mined stone/darkstone
Valley was the main city/hub of life
Wasteland extracted light from creatures and trained soldiers and was a factory
Vault was the place of wise people where people did research
My question is, did isle have a major role, or is it just sort of a place?

Isle is from the ground to the Sky
Isle is, Kingdoms entrance?
Used to be port maybe?
i was thinking that isle is where the boats are created
And the caves systems there is quite outstanding
Isle is where the civilisation of sky started
y’all are gonna love the fire trial’s reveal
mom, come pick me up I'm scared
history isn't confined to the passing of stories though that is its etymological root, i argue that any remnant of a culture/event is history, just one without a storyteller to tell it.
i was thinking that isle is where the boats are created
@frail hearth there is a boat maker in prairie
Children of Light is the first chapter (note: first game perhaps?) about the kingdom of Sky.”
saw thiss
Isle is, Kingdoms entrance?
Used to be port maybe?
@hybrid oxide a port makes sense
Makes sense
But the sea seems so empty
so it didn't really have a proper, actual, working role then
That's true too
Prairie is the sight of production where the flame was turned into butterflies , then packed and sealed and sent to the Forest.
Like it just
Isle
That's all
its just there, chilling, being the origin of life
yeaa isle is like the start from the old versions there were boat docks
The kingdoms edge
Isle is quite sketchy though
The kingdoms edge
@hybrid oxide IT ALL LEADS TO HOLLOW KNIGHT
yeaa isle is like the start from the old versions there were boat docks
@floral oasis taking you to... cant remember
In prairie they also fixed/made boats
I need answer from TGC staff do they plan on completing the story? There is no point in just collecting cosmetics
Isle can be a seabed too
Why does isle have so many caves when it's isle?
I knew that cliff looks weird
I need answer from TGC staff do they plan on completing the story? There is no point in just collecting cosmetics
@jagged compass there are more stories in seasons
Hmm
I need answer from TGC staff do they plan on completing the story? There is no point in just collecting cosmetics
@jagged compass Sky COTL is still a pretty new game, only more than a year old so who knows what TGC has in store![]()
2 more though...
Complete story?
y’all are gonna love the fire trial’s reveal
@lethal stump does it have anything to do with burning trees
There has been lots of seasonal lore since Enchatment apparently
So the boats then sailed on water and rowed by the sky people , then they fitted and modified the boats to actually fly by the diamonds.
Patience
Or am I completely misinterpreting the mural
More like auto pilot in boats
It's kinda sad
im gonna head out and collect candle waxes ill be back guys
It's lucky that we actually get lore pieces
keep the lore coming
It's sad , life is sad .
Imma get some sneep, bye guys
skylluminati confirmed
The lore chat gets the least food from the game
I didn't play during enchantment what was revealed back then?
Lore chat is all the time starving and exhausting our brain juice.
Yeah but compared to other chats we don't get that much food
Still excited because we finally get food though
Why crebs hate us?
The fuel is CHAOTICNESS of the gen chat
Because oh boi do I love king-shaming
Why crebs hate us?
@jagged compass
Like krills they hate us too.
Why tho?
Maybe for different reason?
Light and darkness
Yep
darkness will always try to smother light
Darkness shuns the light
yet light will always succeed
Quote by Zelda in Twilight Princess
yet light will always succeed
@summer shell not really
glances at eden
well in real life it does
The lore is so interesting I don't want to sleep
Light kind off lost for now because eden is still on fire.
not really
glances at eden
points at everything in wasteland
🤯🤯
Oh yea that too
but think what happens when you light a candle in the dark. light wins and there is nothing the darkness can do to destroy it
That's kind of proved that Enchantment spirits were merchants
But I believe that they were magicians working in the valley
I guess light and dark cancels each other?
yes, i suppose. but light is still stronger
but think what happens when you light a candle in the dark. light wins and there is nothing the darkness can do to destroy it
@summer shell "But darkness came, and the stars fell"
Hmmmm
@summer shell "But darkness came, and the stars fell"
Hmmmm
and then the bright little skykids came to bring light back to the world
this has become philosophy now 😂
and then the bright little skykids came to bring light back to the world
@summer shell
No the chaotic moths hjönked there way to saving the world.
😂
And one of skykids mission is to restore that connection
I believe that every specific date/month the Enchantment spirits were bringing the spells scrolls potions to wasteland but they met with a accident.
My braincells were rusting because of no school
So basically merchant?
My brain cells already evaporated from the plane of existence untill Zelda botw and Sky cotl
I have some personal interpretation regarding isle murals but I need to properly write it and It's late now 😂😂
what are the connections to vault?
Enchantmart Spirits kind off work like moving circus to me
why would they do that though?
i don't think the wise vault scholars would just sell some magic orbs that have the ability to restore life to some random people with a big boat
I used to think like that before I entered this chat
Rhythm is the one having Entertainer vibe
Dancer and Actor say hello
I think what the children played with will be a different orb
The mural depicts them giving it to the enchantment spirits tho
@hushed steeple which one
i didn't know that lol
uggg, i have to travel ALLLLLL the way to the ark now
I think the Enchantment spirits entertained through magic but rythm Spirits entertained through acting.
why do they sell spells if they entertained?
I don't think Encantment spirits are entertainer
They're merchant
They literally sell things
yeah, thats what i think
Well I agree with both of them though
Part time merchants/part time entertainers
Who knows?

Kinda doubt it tbh
Their spells are mostly utility related
plot twist: they are the black market

Next season will be about Mafia.
Finally it's put into words
Thank you
the give it to them for prosperity bit
Ok I totally forgot about the elemental orbs
Enchantmart Spirits are entertainer theory dismissed
Maybe they do worked with vault people.
No no that's not it
I forgot about the orb part
I was just putting a lot of attention on the spell, potion scroll shop part
So I thought they entertained people through magic.
but they are giving them a star, not the orbs
I dismissed the theory myself
The magical orbs have the symbols of the elements they belong to.
there are 4 little bits around the pure star
they must case it and make it into an orb
So the Enchantment spirits have access to elemental magic , that means they are very powerful.
You know that "catch the light" Quest we sometimes do?
Maybe it's the light that Lightseeker use before Enchantment refine them into orbs
Maybe they controlled the weather-
Ok that's kind of dumb.
Yeah, since they can manipulate and all...
wait what if the orb is made so anyone can wield it easily
@hushed steeple ooh that actually makes sense
The elemental orbs controlled and kept the elements in balance maybe?
Currently all the elements in sky are in kind of imbalance.
Like water polluted
Ah lore chat's ded again.
We're out of brain juice


typing
Okay okay but,,why and where do you think they're transporting it to and how did they end up in GW.. Did they crash immediately after heading out from vault (rip)???????????????.
It is 2am why am I here
on a vid by nastymold she looks at all the murals on the ark and says what she thinks she means
just dm me
...??
The link,, lmaoooo
you’re probably using a censored term
its just a youtube link
just send it in dms then
yeah ok
oh yeah, remember that one time the google doc Oz sent link had a filter word
and skybot keeps coming
ok
Ah theorising without me again
So what's the topic
Gotta say that mr. Brick is such a good theorist .
still the forgotten ark i think
I think the Forgotten ark was a part of Wasteland
But I have seen cactus like plants in the ark.
well i think 2 people are watching a video, then hopefully they come back and we can talk about it
So that means ark has a little bit of life then compared to wasteland.
But in wasteland there is literally no plants at all except Darkness ones.
Are they the same trees in hidden forest but smaller?
Yep they are dead though I know.
well it is pretty far away from mainland wasteland, whatever caused it to get destroyed maybe wasn't as powerful all the way over at the ark
Oh they do look like those crystal trees in vault
So Crystal trees weren't vault exclusive.
Crystal trees came from candles, maybe these trees came from candles supplied from forest but then something happened and they all died
Meanwhile dark plants grow punkins =jack’o’lantern masks = skids as walking lanterns
Pumpkins are special to just the Halloween ||office|| and they don’t really have a function outside of it
Office is not canon to the sky lore.
Is H’ween mask canon tho
No it's not either
Pft
I think the cosmetics are kind of a game mechanic
But it's not canon to the lore I think.
...prophecy spirits suggest that bats/spiders are canon
I have long been waiting for this day....
Are the actual masks based on legendary creatures relative to Skyworld then, so bats/spiders don’t exist but dragons do
Crabs are spidery
turtle - represents water element.
Spider : Earth element
Bat: wind/air
Fire: Dragons? Lion?
the masks are in order turtle, spider, bat and lion
Crabs are spidery
@celest spoke
Crabs aren't "Spidery" , Crabs are crabs , they resemble real life crabs
IIRC thatgamecompany had concepts for more animals but Sky is already so laggy that it would have been a pain to add them without making the game unplayable. So basically, taking the masks as meaning those animals used to exist is a perfectly valid position to have
Hm, so presumably other mask critters (rabbit, weasel etc) also Sklegends
Also crabs are arachnids. Biologically they are spiders.
Oh that can be possible to
Skrabs only have 4 legs
Okay that’s true
Ah leant some biology in this chat
Rl crabs have 10 legs iirc
Lmao how could I forget that spiders and crabs are archnids
Sorry I have yet to study that lesson in bio
Crabs/lobsters etc have 8 walking legs and 2 tasty big claws
I am in 9th class so
Pardon .
Crabs aren't arachnids
Oh@ornate olive
They're in the same arthropod family but those two are distinct
Trying to envision lobster web haha
It’s fine. And I went to google it and true crabs are not arachnids so yes, same family, but yeah
This is what happens when I rely on my brain to remember things 
Spiders are archnids
Tho are Sky butterflies real bugs or magical artifacts
Prairie squished them into being from candlelight
I mean they don’t appear to have legs but that could be a rendering thing
i can imagine blue is very disappointed
I was wondering do the elders have names 
They do, but theyre Fanon
Oh so its not really a thing yet?
I only remember Isle’s name is Daleth and the Twins are Samekh (Is th spelling correct?)
Isle: Daleth (ד)
Prairie: Ayin (ע)
Forest: Teth (ט)
Valley: Samekh (ס)
Wasteland: Tsadi (צ)
Vault: Lamed (ל)
Prince: Alef (א)
King: Resh (ר)
PLEASE NOTE: These names have appeared in concept art and are often used when referring to the elders. They are no longer canon, they are fanon.
true crabs are crabs, everything else just undergoes carcinization, read the article vermillion linked ,also "The Selfish Gene" is very interesting
Isle: Daleth (ד)
Prairie: Ayin (ע)
Forest: Teth (ט)
Valley: Samekh (ס)
Wasteland: Tsadi (צ)
Vault: Lamed (ל)
Prince: Alef (א)
King: Resh (ר)
PLEASE NOTE: These names have appeared in concept art and are often used when referring to the elders. They are no longer canon, they are fanon.
@lethal stump wait so the twins share a name? -
they are considered one elder
Oh
they aren’t two separate two people, per se
Yeah, but we usually call them Sam and Ekh or whateverh you choose
They are called as Sam and ekh individually.
i do
sam and
ekh
Me too
Oh i see
but it’s mostly up to you
you don’t have to split the name like that, you can do whatever you wish with it
Ekh the Kakashi elder and Sam the dora elder
Lmao
I mean
Also, why is the right side like broken while the left is not? Do they consider one of the twins lower than the other or something?
Or is it just like that for no reason
Having a brother named ekh while ur name is just sam would be pretty embarrassing 
it’s up for you to figure out
I want to ask that too
Or is it just like that for no reason
@icy spruce idk it might be to show the building is kinda old
What's the reason behind it
up to you 
Maybe the twins hated each other ,one tried to erase the other so one can become the only elder of Valley.
But the others are not damage (except for Isle and well, other part of Valley)
Ohhhh
Theyre really competitive over everything
True
Even when u complete the race and sit at the altar they compete on who gets the light
Eh
Haven’t there been some conflicting lists on which name goes with which?
Im pretty sure theyd fight each other no questions asked
There is darkness already in the elders at that time , so maybe one of them tried to erase each other.
HOLD UP
I JUST TOUGHT
In the animation
Whos the one throwing the light up in the air
Sam or ekh
I call them Saul and Sapira so uh

Sam
I think it was Kakashi- oh ok
ekh
Nah, pretty sure both of them hit it (the light)
Only one hit it up in the air in the cutscene
Ack i gtg
Thanks for answering my question tho 
Lmao the twins are handsome though
please stop calling them that
Maybe Sam
is in charge of the running race while Ekh
is in charge of the flying race???
Ekh doesn't have cape though
Huh
I don't think elders have capes
Maybe they did have them but maybe they went eventually unused I think,
Maybe their capes slowly faded away when they were unused.
The skid watching in the background : what the heck are you doing with my flame(why are the elders so crazy after my flame)
i don’t think elders could fly like us, maybe they could float like we see in Vault spirits but i’d say that’s about the limit of their abilities
What if they could just fly depending on how strong the wind is
i know it doesn't count but i saw a video once of the old cutscene for the valley elders where they sort of fly up and spin around
What if they could just fly depending on how strong the wind is
That would also explain the strong wind currents in the flying citadel where u can just kinda float around without flapping your cape
so just being blown about
Yea
thats kind of funny tbh
One explanation
Krill ate there capes
Sam
@patent veldt Is Sam a girl?
im just imagining them all being blown about by the wind
@patent veldt Is Sam a girl?
@quiet willow pretty sure the twins r both boys
we dont know the spirits gender's
they don't have a gender!
@quiet willow pretty sure the twins r both boys
@gilded edge I think about that too
@patent veldt Is Sam a girl?
@quiet willow
Elders , skykids and the rest of the population in sky are basically genderless.
They don't have any gender
One explanation
Krill ate there capes
@patent veldt i think they might have been consumed by the darkness actually, just like if u stand in the mud in gw or in the rain in forest
@quiet willow
Elders , skykids and the rest of the population in sky are basically genderless.
@patent veldt oh yes, I'm talking about that because of their appearences
Ok I was joking Lmao@gilded edge
The only female looking elders are only from Forest and Vault?
Yea
Interesting
@patent veldt oh yes, I'm talking about that because of their appearences
@quiet willow
Nah how the appearance doesn't matter , they are genderless but are seen as males.
For me, there seen like they
@patent veldt i think they might have been consumed by the darkness actually, just like if u stand in the mud in gw or in the rain in forest
@gilded edge
That's not mud , it's polluted water
Its really hard to move in it tho
What about the one Valley twin? Doesnt It look like a girl?
It also does a blublublb sound when u walk in it-
What about the one Valley twin? Doesnt It look like a girl?
@glad forge
Our skykids , elders and other inhabitants of sky look like a specific gender , but they are basically genderless , for example if you wear the ponytail hairstyle you will look female , but when you change back to boy cut you will look male now!
They're feminine presenting but still agender. I use they/them for all of the elders most of the time, a lot of people use he/him or she/her, but at the end of the day the elders may look to you like they have a gender but they do not.
Spirits don't have gender or age. 
Yup. As far as the spirits go, they may have had a gender in the past, but it's been lost to time.

'Elders are very ancient. We don't know their age or birthdays, gender, or if age & gender existed'
It's still ok to call them she/he whatever tho, just don't force on people.
that's from the cannon doc
Yep
It's still ok to call them she/he whatever tho, just don't force on people.
i agree, most of them do look a certain gender, and it doesn't really matter
imo the valley twins especially look pretty genderless to me but humans like to put things in boxes
So we are discussing about elders genders now , ok change the topic
valley twins’ gender is chaos
Yea-
definitely
Plot twist : Valley twins are secretly talking in the gen chat.
Cuz gen chat = Chaos = valley twins also equal to chaotic moths who Hjönk a lot
Well, to give everyone a lore discussion topic, I've been working on notes of how human language evolved and trying to see what lines up with Sky worldbuilding, and I'd like other people's input: where do you think the Ancestors first came from/migrated from, and what location in Sky did they reach last?
All are live representation of chaos
Well, to give everyone a lore discussion topic, I've been working on notes of how human language evolved and trying to see what lines up with Sky worldbuilding, and I'd like other people's input: where do you think the Ancestors first came from/migrated from, and what location in Sky did they reach last?
@hushed steeple pretty sure they came in boats in isle of dawn
2 possibilities: they came from eden (a la garden of eden genesis story) or they came from isle and took the same journey we do
Ah, yea isle was related to boats right?
Wait brick has a point
What if they had just really powerful wl and became elders as consequence?
i think they started in isle of dawn. it just seems so beginningy
the elders were elders from the beginning
The forbidden reborn journey
I usually tend to see Eden as just the home of the Elders, but it was definitely big enough to be an ancient metropolis. And there are some house-like structures past the pnr
Maybe eden was a place u could just chill at, but the krills and all the darkness came along and only the most powerful survived 
yeah considering how massive the palace is in ascension, i wouldn’t be surprised if it housed thousands
Either way, I imagine the Ancestors would've left Eden before the Elders anyway, and then it's a guessing game of where they'd end up
yeah considering how massive the palace is in ascension, i wouldn’t be surprised if it housed thousands
@lethal stump who would have lived there though? Isn't valley suppose to be the center
well, they’d probably hang around the desert for a while as it seems to be a river basin
assuming they started in eden and went down the mountain
Do you mean Wasteland, Bricky?
The eden elder both hangs out in eden and valley
yeah, wasteland
sorry, in french it’s called « desert of gold » 
Maybe he visited valley as a special guest and to entertain himself
in the concepts, the king was crowned in valley
It's fine. And also, that is an awesome name
Since valley is a place where sports and entertainment happens
in the concepts, the king was crowned in valley
i didn't know that. thats cool
King often hangs out in valley to entertain himself.
The valley twins might have entertained him.
My thought process is currently going, Ancestors lived in Eden and built the initial infrastructure, then were kicked out before the Elders arrived. When the Elders came, they lived primarily in Eden, but since they can clearly operate outside the bounds of time and space they would've been able to interact with the rest of the world, too.
They're sibling rivalry is entertaining though.
don’t you reckon the ancestors would have expanded ? it’s not in primitive human nature to stay in one place forever, especially if they had a civilization going. they would have travelled further than eden and set up there too
By this I think people of sky are nomadic tribes
They shifted to one place and then to the other
holds mouth shut in beta
That's fair, that humans don't stay in one place. Especially in the early days -- humans were always terrible at staying in one place, and living in tight quarters. So now I'm going back to, they probably came from somewhere else, and if they ever lived in pre-Storm Eden, it would've been after society was already established
Btw based on the intro, Eden was established after the elders fell
@hushed steeple
I think eden was established at the same time when elders were still together.
I'm kind of stuck between 'did Megan make the Ancestors as they were and just plop them into the world' and 'did they evolve somewhere' because imo if they evolved anywhere it would probably be Forest and if Megan plopped them down it'd probably be Isle
Maybe the ancestors did expand but got walled in by the storm at the entrance of wastelands
i mean, i see ancestors as former gods so like
Wasteland wasn't a wasteland before. I don't think
@hushed steeple
Wasteland looked either like prairie or hidden forest because of the forgotten ark.
Darkness probably killed all the vegetation.
It's shaped a bit like a river delta. If Eden is up a mountain, its curse/pollution could have flowed downstream and destroyed the environment
There are dead trees in ark.
Only Elders lived in orbit, not spirits
@hushed steeple so the spirits where on land first, then the elders joined them?
Nobody was born Megan made the elders first and then the spirits.
AND THE AGRICULTURE! I forgot there was farmland in Ark too~
There are mushrooms in the ark
probably the same stuff we do
then why were there ark spirits foraging for food/growing food ?
I mean do we know that was good though?
They could've been growing flowers or something
I don't know

Out of brain juice
Food*
How long has the Graveyard crab been roasting if the Ancestors were cooking it though
graveyard crab is definitely no longer edible
graveyard crab is definitely no longer edible
@lethal stump
Cuz it is burnt to much
So people of sky were omnivore?
Probably yes
like humans probably
I mean we saw the crabs being fried /grilled on the campfire.
Probably the soldiers at the crabs.
They have to keep diet as a soldier.
What the H I typed now
My hands are going crazy
So kind of what I'm getting is that Wasteland seems to have been a hub of early society, similar to the Cradle of Civilization
it wasn’t a soldier, it was belonging dad
Sorry for the bad English.
So it is from a season
I thought the soldiers ate crabs in their diet.
Maybe
So king krills exist then.
I thought the soldiers ate crabs in their diet.
@patent veldt
Sorry my mistake
Sky Inhabitants feeding on other light /dark creatures would make sense though.
I always thought they merely feeded and survived on light/flame.
frozen channel 
@patent veldt sorry i know this is late, but the crab grill fireplace in wasteland was added during belonging as a reference to the "inside" joke of being able to flip over a crab, carry it, and drop it on top of a fire, thus "cooking" it. at the time, the joke was still relatively pretty new, and had recently blown up a bit then. so it's not exactly "canon"
https://null-the-feral-moff.tumblr.com/post/632924643597090816/given-the-way-sky-kids-live-losing-the-ability-to#notes wait i dont get it. isnt the idea around rebirth basically the reason skykids do not die? then shouldn’t they fear death rather than inability to die?
so this is more talking about cursed immortality?
where and how did you find that palechild
I tend to think of rebirth as a curse, until the protagonist realizes the window it opens after the doors were closed
because time itself can be both of those things
depends on your perspective
Can someone explain the story behind Season of Prophecy to me? I don’t understand a thing
there is no objective story behind sky
Ah, alright
t-minus 6 hours until possibly more lore
the murals in prophecy aren’t complete, @hushed steeple
hopefully when they’re done they’ll make sense
Hey all! So I have a theory about the Golden Wasteland. Sorry if everyone knows about it already but I’ve been thinking about it for a while.
So before the land of Sky fell to darkness, the Wasteland was a place where the shipments for different parts came from. (Pots in Prairie, boats from different areas, etc.) So then, the big shipments were on the large ark (not the season one) and all of the goup stuff that takes your light away is what it sailed on. But it’s also where the krill dwelled. When the big ark was on its way a krill from the bottom went up and attacked the boat. Eventually, the ocean of goup sank and wasn’t able to keep the krill in it. So the krill adapted to it and were able to fly. Then since then the krill destroyed the land, and that’s how the Wasteland came to be.
Sorry if this is too complicated to understand. But I hope you like this little theory of mine. 
That could also be true! Except we might never know unless TGC gives us the real explanation. Which might never happen.
I don’t know.
that’s the fun of lore, there’s rarely a « real explanation »
Brick killed the chat-
my first message in lore-discussion... nice to meet you all!
on a similar topic: I've noticed similarities between Hidden Forest and Golden Wasteland - they share factory-like architecture, and both have areas in the environment that are damaging to skykids
also, almost all of the plants are dead-
this has given me the impression that these two realms are the "outer edges" of the Ancient civilization, with Valley of Triumph being the capital (it's also the only realm with residential areas)
presumably, the ship ruins at the edges of Isle, Prairie and Wasteland would be shipments towards these factories and/or Valley, but then... why would the Vault and Eden be situated at the very edge of the land? I'd love to talk about this some more
Well, to give everyone a lore discussion topic, I've been working on notes of how human language evolved and trying to see what lines up with Sky worldbuilding, and I'd like other people's input: where do you think the Ancestors first came from/migrated from, and what location in Sky did they reach last?
ah, just found this. I'll be reading up for a bit
im assuming heights again AHHHHHH {sorry if its messy}
GUYS @ ME IF MY TUMBLR COMES UP
Okay so let me explain my post I guess. Rebirth requires first dying. Skykids acknowledge this and live accordingly. But if they were to suddenly not be able to die and went to Eden, they'd just be trapped in the storm indeffinately
Rebirth requires death
immortality at its finest but painful
the murals in prophecy aren’t complete, @hushed steeple
hopefully when they’re done they’ll make sense
@lethal stump Ah, ok, thank you!
if only @hushed steeple had listened...
what
Yeah Skyboo has already said I am gonna save everyone so... Not a great prophet
What r u talking bout yall
Re birth is kinda a strange topic BC in sky how to sky kids reproduce? They are born kids and they are not in hybernation bc they are still learning communication from spirits and im pretty sure they talk in their own language. We need to know what sky kids are made of and who's creating them? Are that stars? Did elders create them?
that is assuming that there are canonically multiple skids 👁️👁️ ok i think multiple skids existing is canon, but they're all same person in different timeline
If they don't reproduce how do they rebirth?
reuse, recycle
Reproduction doesn't always mean that maybe they are made from fallen stars or wax
we should ask mat pat to make a game theory about sky
@solar relic are you saying when we die we move on to ourselves in a different timeline? That would make sense since you still have emotes and unlocked all the realms and have everything except wl
no actually i was thinking more along the lines of the other skids you see are you but in another life
mainly due to a line in the you and i pin description in the skyshop a few months ago
It would be kinda weird friending your self but then again in real life every body is you but in a different life but still in the same world
So it would make sense
ah here
Hmmmmm
That still doesn't quite explain the rebirth unless you inherit another alive person body but have different thinking. Thinking like the person who last inherited the body or you inherit a body with the same thinking as you
i was thinking your body gets recycled in rebirth

