lore-discussion-spoilers

[solar relic]

i mean i guess that's part of the journey of returning the fallen skiddos back home

they can't reincarnate like us

[livid valley]

They just went into space

[runic laurel]

I think they are asking why do we have to lead the dead kids in eden while we can reborn they can't

[scenic hedge]

They reincarnate into new players

[neat fractal]

Moths

[livid valley]

They're probably the past generation without the ability to respawn

[scenic hedge]

Moths have to come from somewhere

[livid valley]

They came from the sky

[runic laurel]

so we are moms without knowing it

[solar relic]

this is part of a long theory i'm rewriting but i think those skids are a previous generation of skids who saved the eden elder, so their task is finished and they don't need to rebirth, they can chill in the stars.

but our task for some reason makes us rebirth again and again but basically we save them in turn for saving us

[bitter shale]

these names are so cute

[livid valley]

Being mom's to a past generation of Skids? No way

[frail hearth]

EMO RAIN

[scenic hedge]

Oh

I vibe with emo rain

I’m not seeing the moth hair anywhere tho?

[runic laurel]

brave bud's mask is cracked!!and they have ripped cape and scar on their legs

[livid valley]

I’m not seeing the moth hair anywhere tho?
Wdym

[scenic hedge]

Wdym
@livid valley it’s not there

[solar relic]

sky kids 8 sounds like a 2000's disney channel show

[scenic hedge]

Considering it’s the default hair you would think you would see it

[livid valley]

So imagination hair?

[scenic hedge]

????

[runic laurel]

huh

[scenic hedge]

what

[bitter shale]

i just realized tehre is a life boat here

[runic laurel]

oh no hold on I need to read text wall

[scenic hedge]

Vault doesn’t have a mask

That’s her face

Same with forest

Good theory tho

[livid valley]

It's not their mask so the headpiece must be representing them

[runic laurel]

Interesting analyze on mask Boop! I would say mask will represent a lot of things, especially when old forest mask is in front of the temple

[uncut root]

I don’t think isle elder has a headpiece though 👉👈

[scenic hedge]

I have a theory but I have to write it

[runic laurel]

I need think what does it mean

[scenic hedge]

I don’t think isle elder has a headpiece though 👉👈
@uncut root his face

[uncut root]

Ahh

I always kinda thought those were horns 😓

[livid valley]

Still a headpiece if it's horns

[solar relic]

maybe that fifth figure really is isle elder in the cave mural

[runic laurel]

Seasonal spirit interacting with realm spirit is very interesting... Twirl man bunny man and valley stance were friends

[neat fractal]

Happy loring, it's 1am I should really sneep snorp now

[livid valley]

gotta sleep happy theorising

[runic laurel]

sneep snorp!

[lethal stump]

valley twins actually have simple masks because they’re athletes, it’s not protective

[buoyant tartan]

But yeah elder headpieces represents what they do:
Isle = boat (he's a ferryman)
Prairie = pots (stuffs butterflies in pots)
Forest = diamonds (established diamond factory)
Valley = simple gears (they're athletes)
GW = whale mask (whale is probably their military symbol)
Vault = the tower with writings (they're scholars)
@hushed steeple wow brilliant. I never noticed the diamond and military symbol thing

[scenic hedge]

Gw Switches sides in the war

Idk if that’s important at all

[clear lynx]

Alef.

[clear lynx]

There was another elder at GW, and whit the arrival of darkness it changed.

[lethal stump]

[hushed steeple]

So gw supposed to have 2 elders like valley?

[gentle sparrow]

[lethal stump]

i mean, technically the valley elders count as one elder

in-game they’re legit called « The Elder of the Valley »

[chilly jewel]

hey all, just updated more glyphs and murals at https://tinyurl.com/SKYMurals
theres some glyphs i am still not sure what they are so if you guys know them would be cool to let me know!

[fierce hornet]

why in tinyurl

[chilly jewel]

because the original link was long?

[hushed steeple]

It's still 2 for me- lol> in-game they’re legit called « The Elder of the Valley »
@lethal stump

[fierce hornet]

huh

[lethal stump]

have you checked out Mochi-daifuku’s glyph doc ? i think it’d be interesting for you !

[chilly jewel]

have you checked out Mochi-daifuku’s glyph doc ? i think it’d be interesting for you !
I have! read through a small portion and will continue as itme goes on

[boreal nebula]

I am starting to think the top of the Vault is not broken

[lethal stump]

@chilly jewel can i dm you ? i wanna ask a question but it’s not sky/lore

[boreal nebula]

The top of the tower and it is not the spot we see after the Castle Of Eden

When we enter Eden we can see this if we climb before opening the 5 Elders Gate

Aaand I recently noticed that the murals in Isle depict very well the summit of the Vault Tower

So I can think of what we see before meeting Lamed (Vault Elder) is somewhat just her memory of that place

Destroyed by the Storm

[hushed steeple]

the top of vault in the mural looks kinda like the king's statue

[boreal nebula]

Think outside the propaganda

It's the same round thing with the diamonds

Meaning that the Vault is intact

Except slowly decaying with water&crabs infiltrations and the memory cubes in bad shape

[short owl]

... What if all the propoganda we see isn't depictions of the king, but rather the thing the king used to represent them

[boreal nebula]

I don't think indeed that is "king". I think the union of those squared/rhombus is a symbol of unity

[short owl]

It's the max amount a single kid can take with them: Two holding hands, one piggy.

[boreal nebula]

What do you think was "the thing the king used to represent them" ?

[short owl]

That is a good question. It is too straight to be natural so maybe it's technological

[boreal nebula]

...yes. I think..

and telekinetic holding the portable lantern

Unless some of your friends can hold your feet

In that case you would look like a megazord

[stone rivet]

Heey

Lore go nyoom

[spiral kindle]

wanna see a krill vs whale scene in the game

[uncut root]

They kinda look like eyes; might be saying the king is always watching and or that he’s all knowing

[short owl]

What if the center dot means use of one's own light

[uncut root]

King used the last of his light to create the sky children lol

[short owl]

The ones who have access to their power would have it. The ones who don't wouldn't. Hence why only some masks have it

Leo, that wouldn't surprise me

[uncut root]

Imagine creating a race to free you from corruption

Doubtful..forest is poor isn’t it / working class?

HSHS

[short owl]

If the forest is poor, they can certainly afford that "or"

They have a pretty noticible job and quite the infrastructure

[uncut root]

They pot butterflies right?

[short owl]

Nah, that's Prarie

[uncut root]

What if Butterflies were the currency before candles?

[short owl]

Forest makes diamonds

[uncut root]

The main currency I mean

Oo., Diamonds could’ve been the currency

Also..hear me out

Hear me out fully..what if the diamonds we light up used to be for keeping the different citizens in their respective areas

So isle couldn’t leave, they all died out

Prairie could go between areas, but never to another realm

And so on

And to hide information, the king locked away certain areas

Example one being the Butterfly area

Where we meet coco the dog

Or was that Oreo

I forget the dogs name

Nono, I know ^^ I was using him as a way to clarify location 🥺

I’m just saying that maybe the diamonds were used to lock the citizens towards the end of the King’s corruption; because as far as I know, we don’t have info on how he was prior to it

Not anything that’s been 100% confirmed at least

I also have a theory that we’re playing as the final light of the king and reliving stuff but

I’m not gonna cross my fingers on that since there’s nothing to confirm my idea hsh

AND YEAH,,

Idk but!!
The king creating a race and locking them in certain areas to work just seems really...far fetched

Because my other idea is that the Sky Children could have been created as a working class

Ancestors could have locked and been tasked to monitor

Because if I’m being honest here

The corpses all look the same

How they’re positioned and ages

Ages as in..when they died

[sharp jetty]

Question, daleth is the same creature than the one in the boat?

[lethal stump]

daleth is the isle elder

[manic forge]

In the water, is a cliff or an ocean bunny

[grand swift]

what does the glyphs on the bell on the top of the eden entrances at home mean

[lethal stump]

we don’t know what the glyphs mean

although i believe it’s some kind of rite or spell to summon light creatures

[lyric isle]

Anyone have any idea what this is?

[boreal nebula]

Those glyphs sort of remind me of hebrew alphabets
But they are different, and they are completely different from all othet glyphs in Vault murals and Lamed's hat/mask

Lamed is Vault Elder

They are different from an old concept art alphabet called skrypt (iirc)

Pretty sure Bricky or a more veteran Lore Scholar here could easly share this concepts & glyphs materials

Voluntary, that seems to be a bug of some kind, or at least I think that is the popular idea about that weird mural

First time it showed up for me it was just like this, without the other two pieces below

[lyric isle]

It is a bug.

[primal verge]

Yes, but the fact that it survived 2 updates is pretty sus

[boreal nebula]

Even this bug survived 2 updates, no?

[lyric isle]

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

gee I theorised this of all things

Interesting bugs.

[boreal nebula]

Wanna see the last mischiefs of the paperboat bug I found?

Paperboat kidnapping a jellyfish and a wingbuff spirit clearly out of place

Anyway, back on lore

My last theory
https: //discord.com/channels/575762611111592007/575818672476782634/765982304820396083

Ops wrong link😅

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

This the one

Many times I wondered why the Elders tombs group was in 2 places

And I thought it was dragged away from Vault head of the Tower by the Storm near the Castle of Eden

But I think a close up look at the Isle mural is a solid proof of the integrity of Vault

.
So maybe it's just Lamed'd projection/memory of the one on the way to Orbit

.
That would explain why in someone's Eden OOB pictures of that place the tombstones are way bigger than the one in the end of Vault last floor

[thorn trout]

Yo, I dunno wazzup but
Does anyone have any theories on those large spheres in Citadel in Valley? I forget what they're technically named, but.
I've been wondering why they restore our light and what not when they seem to have no discernable source.

[boreal nebula]

Those gyroscopes thingies?

That's a good question, I had read very little lore about the Citadel when I discovered Lore Channel

Yet it was one of my first interests.
One of the few thing I read was that another name was the Orrery (iirc) but I am not sure why

What is your opinion/theory about those?

[short owl]

Amilary spheres but spelled better

[narrow cloud]

What are the elders fanon names 👁️

[sacred rapids]

here you are @narrow cloud

Isle: Daleth (ד)
Prairie: Ayin (ע)
Forest: Teth (ט)
Valley: Samekh (ס)
Wasteland: Tsadi (צ)
Vault: Lamed (ל)
Prince: Alef (א)
King: Resh (ר)
PLEASE NOTE: These names have appeared in concept art and are often used when referring to the elders. They are no longer canon, they are fanon.

[narrow cloud]

Ah ty

[desert sun]

Amilary spheres but spelled better
@short owl armillary spheres

the current theory on those is that they were used to study the sky, because thats what a dev said when they were talking about what they had in mind while making the citadel

ill try to find exactly what they said

“I can spill some beans on what I was thinking when I was making the citadel
In my mind, the mountain is like a dormant volcano, or made in abyss if anyone else is a fan
And the whole tower actually goes all the way down, it’s a bit dark but what you see above the clouds is actually just the tip and it’s where all the riches live, and the area under the clouds where the lights don’t reach (mainly inner walls) are kind of like slum. There isn’t any meshes to show that bc it’s an expensive level HAHA, but yes it’s outwardly pretty and extravagant. But....it’s also supposed to be hiding the slums too, since valley is the peak of civilization there’s also a side to it that’s also not pretty and the tip of the tower you see is like the top of the top so scholars, HAHA
Since technology and knowledge is so valued, the top two points (IN MY WORLD) are the twin towers, one with a clock and one with a celestial clock
And the scholars that reside there uses the armillary sphere to study the night sky!”
-Reika

[hushed steeple]

Ohhhh

Like coruscant

In a way

[lethal stump]

oo ive never seen that comment, spicy

[sinful anvil]

because sky is focused on stars … they would study astronomy, wouldnt they?

[hushed steeple]

but aren't the ancestors stars as well?

[lethal stump]

maybe spiritual stars ≠ actual stars

[hushed steeple]

also twin towers, two clocks, that is ... a whole new perspective, when was that comment posted?

[fallow spade]

Isle: Daleth (ד)
Prairie: Ayin (ע)
Forest: Teth (ט)
Valley: Samekh (ס)
Wasteland: Tsadi (צ)
Vault: Lamed (ל)
Prince: Alef (א)
King: Resh (ר)
PLEASE NOTE: These names have appeared in concept art and are often used when referring to the elders. They are no longer canon, they are fanon.

Who in the world is the prince? Sorry I’m new to all the lore and I can’t find great sources for lore

[sacred rapids]

prince is the king but smaller

[lethal stump]

@fallow spade

Hello new Lore Moff!
Read this short document to get started! Once you’ve read this, check out pins for more information.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto/edit

[fallow spade]

Yay!! Thank you!! ❤️❤️

[hushed steeple]

New lore moffs i see

[heady sinew]

Guys since there are 8 Students at the Prophecy cave. Do you think the 8 graves at the Player Puzzle could be for them?

[lethal stump]

ive never seen that interpretation but i like it

[sinful anvil]

been thinking about flying vs sliding race
if we are led to a giant fancy stadium, does it make less sense that they are near cities?
i mean its not like olympic racing area is 1km away
so if tgc adds cities it might require a constellation gate and some fade to black

basically ingame reason for unable to see cities is important areas are hidden outside of common citizens view

goes same for temples too
theyre not in the cities. in fact, far away from that
we are lucky to be able to go to where the king can access
its like going to the white house

[mossy trellis]

Hmm... you never see any stars in game

[sinful anvil]

also no corpses in gw

[bitter shale]

Guys since there are 8 Students at the Prophecy cave. Do you think the 8 graves at the Player Puzzle could be for them?
i mean... its possible 8 students, 8 graves

but if they all died in the trial, who get their bodies?

[sinful anvil]

there’re no bodies in golden wasteland

[bitter shale]

can this counted as a body

[sinful anvil]

yea but it doesnt look like a corpse

that wounded solider for ...? where’s his body

[bitter shale]

decomposed-

[sinful anvil]

this body beside the catapult has no spirit memories
hmm

[blissful socket]

Omg I just read an article on like how they designed sky and how the realms represent time of day, age/maturity, and progress of civilization and omg it’s freaking amazing

[junior robin]

Share it here maybe?

[wispy oasis]

send the link baby moth

[solar relic]

you can see the poster for time of day/age/maturity for the realms in the poster in office actually

[hexed flume]

Please end my suffering

OOF WRONG SERVER

[wild crescent]

Bruh

[hexed flume]

A

A

[wild crescent]

[solar relic]

[hexed flume]

please everyone

If you saw that

No you didnt

[hushed steeple]

Wow a bioster is here

👍

Wth is a bioster

[worn citrus]

What if
The mantas are made of bread?

[solar relic]

anyway anyone got any lore bits?
why bread

[worn citrus]

Nothing just messing around while waiting for someone's theory

[wild crescent]

Anyone notice how the isle elder is the only one who explicitly tells us to go to eden?

[worn citrus]

Yeah, seems like all the other elders just appreciated that you brought light to them, and how isle elder seems to be the only one needing to be healed due to his broken face

Prairie elder demonstrated his life giving ability
Forest elder yoinked our light and revealed how power diamonds are made
And I guess Valley Elder thew away ours?

Idk what were the valley twins supposed to show what they were going to do with it?

[hexed flume]

Wait thats what forest mami did with our light?

[urban ginkgo]

Just boink boink yeet haha bouncy light

[hexed flume]

Made a power diamond?

[worn citrus]

It looks like one, and power diamonds are sourced from light creatures and light

[hexed flume]

WhErE wAs tHiS ReVeaLeD

[worn citrus]

Hidden forest title card stated:
"Find out the source of ancient power" iirc

[hexed flume]

O

[urban ginkgo]

In the cutscene she snatches takes your light and puts it in a diamond

[queen locust]

fair point here though what the hell were the Valley twins even doing-

[worn citrus]

They were fighting over it, then one paddled it away

Lmao

[queen locust]

freaking Kakashi hair twin

[worn citrus]

Wasteland elder seemed to use the light to restore his strength and self since after showing his brief cool moment, he fell to his knees

[queen locust]

And Vault moma just used it for the diamond

[worn citrus]

And what did vault elder did with it?

[queen locust]

To project the rest of the Summit murals I think

[solar relic]

this was the best quality the elder cutscene compilation vid on yt showed wahaha

in the middle is presumably a power diamond

isle mural, could those be the prophets?

[worn citrus]

Isle: thank you my child.... Now, go forth!
Prairie: look at what I can do now thanks to your light!
Forest: GIMME THAT!
Valley twins:
I accept your light offering
No, I Accept your light offeri-
No, I did
No, I did first!
Wasteland: Neat, a fire spear
Vault: come here, let me show you something...

[queen locust]

Pspspsps

[green tartan]

AJDHAGASKJ

[worn citrus]

I noticed that many spirits have capes like ours, and since our cape is made out of winged lights, does that mean there were more winged lights to supply those spirits enough flightpower than how much we can collect from all 6 realms + eden?

[wild crescent]

Maybe the valley twins throwing away the light is a hint as to how wasteland could also 'throw' away your light

[urban ginkgo]

Hmm come to think about it, if all the valley spirits have capes then they did use them to fly presumably

[bitter shale]

Valley twins : throw lights to the sky
Wasteland elder : descend from the sky

Coincidence?

Sorry owl

[worn citrus]

yeet

[wild crescent]

All the valley spirits don't have capes :/

[bitter shale]

Not all of them

[worn citrus]

Not all of them have capes

[wild crescent]

Yeah only red and pink (idk why I paid 40 hearts for this, I never even used it)

[worn citrus]

But the question here is did they really use them to fly? And if so, possibly there were more winged lights in the past

[urban ginkgo]

Yeah, although the two in the flying race do, right? Confident pose and jumping ones were spectators anyways

[bitter shale]

Now i cant stop imagining tsadi descend from the sky while T-posing-

[worn citrus]

He is the tallest among the elders right? And prairie is the chonkiest

[wild crescent]

Tsadi actually wears heels though, if you tp to someone in the cutscene you can see it

[bitter shale]

Ayin is round

[worn citrus]

@wild crescent here is my old sc of it when I was a veteran
Sadly its patched now I think

[bitter shale]

Tsadi doing can can dance-

Or that russian dance idk the name-

[worn citrus]

Kaztosky kick? Maybe wrong spelling heh

[bitter shale]

Ah yes that one

[fresh summit]

im a lore moth, but do you guys think the valley twins got horns

[worn citrus]

But those heels tho...

[bitter shale]

Kazotsky

[worn citrus]

I think the horns are from their mask

Since they wear masks I think

[bitter shale]

@fresh summit their masks seems to have honr

Horn

But each only on one side

[solar relic]

yeah it's their masks that are horned

[fresh summit]

there's no chance that they're maskless?

[solar relic]

nahh

[worn citrus]

Well one spirit from valley gives u the faceless mask but idk

[solar relic]

confirmed they have masks, they're simple and not as intricate/detailed as other masks of the elders because they're athletes

[fresh summit]

i see

[bitter shale]

these madlads being faceless is something hard to imagine

since im assuming they would love to wear mask to look as cool as other elders

[worn citrus]

But are actually the silliest among the bunch

Cuz of their constant sibling rivalry

[fresh summit]

youngest elders among the rest perhaps

[worn citrus]

Most likely

Well I guess they represent passion and liveliness like how isle represents nobility and leadership I think

[bitter shale]

not suprised tbh, since they seems designed to be the youngest among 7 elders even in concept arts

[broken basin]

kiddos

[solar relic]

i don't think there's any particular order of birth of the elders that we know of but the valley elders are def the most youthful due to their energy

[bitter shale]

yep

[worn citrus]

Yeah

[bitter shale]

chaotic evils energy

[solar relic]

like if you put all the elders in a family kinda situation you'd probably imagine the twins to be the children screaming for presents on christmas day

[broken basin]

Also, they aren't faceless, they do wear aerodynamic masks with elf ears on one side

[worn citrus]

And wasteland elder would be the uncle from the military

[worn citrus]

Prairie elder would try to be santa

[junior robin]

It's an oob

[worn citrus]

Their masks looks like opera masks

[bitter shale]

elders as family?
Ayin would be the uncle, Daleth would be grandpa, Tsadi would be dad, Teth would be mom, Lamed would be the aunt/grandma, Samekh as older siblings while skid as the youngest

its cute ngl

[worn citrus]

[junior robin]

[broken basin]

I think lamed would be grandma

[bitter shale]

its either grandma or a calm aunt, i love both concept

[broken basin]

She looks like a nun tho

[worn citrus]

and a krill would be an exotic and dangerous animal the valley twins brought to their home as a pet

[solar relic]

lamed gives me eternally tired vibes and i can relate

[worn citrus]

Toe aunt is tired aunt

[bitter shale]

nahh they would probably keep crabs

tsadi would be the one who bring krills lol

[broken basin]

She looks like depressed and upset from all that she has seen

[worn citrus]

?

[broken basin]

?

[bitter shale]

[worn citrus]

Idk as well
Tho i dont really memorize what chat filter does filter

Apart from words of profanity

[urban ginkgo]

Faq talks about it I believe

[bitter shale]

ngl th, i love these design

poncho twins

[worn citrus]

I reckon they probably fought over the design that looks better than the other and Lamed just made identical ones

[bitter shale]

also-

Teth's friend

[solar relic]

my pea brain just realised when we're out of light we have the same grey tone as the elders

[worn citrus]

So all elders initially are out of light? So they are somewhere in the category of being light creatures?

[solar relic]

when we first see them in the cutscenes they pretty much are

delighted

[worn citrus]

Or darkened

[broken basin]

teth is rude

[worn citrus]

Tsadi just wanted to show how cool he was

[broken basin]

"I'll just casually take your flame and bonk it with my hammer"

[queen locust]

Tsadi has arthritis change my mind

[worn citrus]

Why is isle elder btw the only one that has a broken part in the cutscene, and our light fixes him?

Did he suffer from something?

[bitter shale]

ARTHRITIS-

lmaoo

[solar relic]

might have something to do with the isle elder got banished theory

[broken basin]

Btw , didn't the twins sent the light in sky? It went flying up

[bitter shale]

yep

[worn citrus]

might have something to do with the isle elder got banished theory
Haven't heard of it so I kinda wanna knoe about the theory

[queen locust]

heck yeah we get to talk about old man Daleth-

[sinful anvil]

why are the twins not punished in some way for sending the light up? is there any missions or mandates from the elders’ part on what to do with the light?

[worn citrus]

prophecy prophets didn't taught us how to bend the elements

[queen locust]

Maybe the twins were just bored without anything to yeet into the sky for what I assume is several millenia

[broken basin]

Umm, so isle elder was the only elder who was against the king's policies like making power diamonds and using sky creatures for light. That's he was removed from the elders' group and was abandoned. That's why he isn't on the eden door as well

[solar relic]

i personally call it the isle elder dilemma

in pre-global, isle was a tutorial level so it wasn't a legitimate realm. so on the eden door his face wasn't there with the other elders.

now in our current version of sky, the same eden door from pre-global is kept. that's the technical answer for why isle elder's face isn't on there.

but the argument against this is: since isle is now a legitimate realm, why hasn't the isle elder's mask been added to the door? it's been more than a year since global released.

so to make sense of this some theorise that the isle elder being banished from the elder circle due to going against the king, leading his mask to be shattered

[worn citrus]

Never really noticed he wasn't at the eden door

[broken basin]

Btw isle temple door and eden door (2nd area) are the same

[solar relic]

oo yesyes

[worn citrus]

[broken basin]

They show King with 4 other persons who can be Elders?

Or maybe Prophets

[queen locust]

since we're talking about Isle grandpa have we already discussed here about if he was related to the Prophecy yet or nah-

[pastel brook]

i have seen your future, @queen locust, and... well, i won't spoil the surprise

[worn citrus]

I see now
Daleth was integral while the rest followed suite
And maybe Daleth had a premonition about the use of power diamonds

[queen locust]

Brophet pls I'm not ready to die just yet

[worn citrus]

Bruh us sky kids die weekly to get cool red candles smh

[queen locust]

to be fair I WAS planning on doing an Eden run-

[solar relic]

i haven't gotten reborn since like,, 11 september

[sinful anvil]

isle elder theory is this trouble between watsonian and doylan views

[worn citrus]

Good thing I have enough ascended candles for the ts coming

[urban ginkgo]

Same, I'm scared to with all the bugs going on and my friends already went for this week

[queen locust]

Adding onto that theory could he have been banished for multiple reasons- like say, heresy

[bitter shale]

my last eden run was one day before the update lmao

maybe thats also the reason why prophecy cave located on isle

[queen locust]

Something like it- the Prophecy could have been ignored and taking responsibility for it Daleth could have been banished

[pastel brook]

it has been foretold that @queen locust will seek a deeper understanding... AND FAIL

[worn citrus]

In the old times of society, humans pretty much banish and demonize those who had opposing ideals towards the majority so Daleth being heretical by the king is not far from the possible truth

[bitter shale]

lmao

[worn citrus]

It goes the same towards the sky ppl i think

[queen locust]

okay thanks for the vote of confidence Brophet

[bitter shale]

okay but i think isle mural is telling us about the 4 prophets

[worn citrus]

Forshadowing??

[bitter shale]

there is 4 people, 4 fallen stars

[sinful anvil]

yall think daleth and lamed had a fight? m

[worn citrus]

Or forlightening? Jk

yall think daleth and lamed had a fight? m
Why so?

[queen locust]

Two old people asserting dominance

[bitter shale]

4 people bring 4 fallen stars to Daleth so they can bring them back to the orbit

i think those 4 people are who would be the prophets

[sinful anvil]

because lamed has a broken mask too

[bitter shale]

daleth and Lamed T posing-

[sinful anvil]

(and someone long ago said it might take an elder to beat an elder)

[broken basin]

Why are there so many murals in isle with 4 prophets people?

[worn citrus]

Daleth has the elemental prophets as his assets
That be cool tbh

If it were so

[queen locust]

Foreshadowing maybe-

[bitter shale]

Why are there so many murals in isle with 4 prophets people?
this, tbh. thsi is teh reason why i think isle mural anad the SoP are connected

[pastel brook]

skybot now prophetbot 2.0!

[queen locust]

I regret 2.0 so much

[solar relic]

oh yeah i found something in isle mural

[queen locust]

show brother-

[worn citrus]

why is fire prophet so chonky?

[solar relic]

looks like the element symbols in prophecy cave

this was taken months ago so it took a while to dig up

there's also four figures who could be the prophets?

[worn citrus]

Same
My gallery is now filled with sky screenshots lmao

there's also four figures who could be the prophets?
Most likely since there are only 3 spirits in isle

[pastel brook]

i prophesize that...

[queen locust]

Could be- you see them on boats later on if I remember

[delicate coral]

Those symbols are in the ark murals too

[queen locust]

now that you mention that i need to go to ark real quick-

[delicate coral]

Hang on brick made some good compilations of the ark murals

I’ll just go get them

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

In the first image in particular

It looks like they put those in the a casing to make their element orbs

[solar relic]

it looks like the order of the use of the lights went
prophecy > lightseekers > echantment

[delicate coral]

Yes I would agree with that

[solar relic]

the very beginning of the lights is what i'm not very sure of but
prophets (maybe) discover the light, manage to make them elemental lights somehow
lightseekers discover how to turn the light into orbs
lightseekers pass on the knowledge to scholars, who turn it into elemental orbs and become the enchantment gang, going away on an ark with the orbs they made

[broken basin]

So was it like, there were 4 lights in Prophecy, they were combined to form a white light in lightseekers and then separated back again into 6 in enchatement

[delicate coral]

I think if we’re tracking this it’s also possibly important to note that this is the first time that we’ve specifically seen colours other than gold and white in murals - potentially those lights are meant to be coloured in the other murals but only the prophets had access to the little colour dots that make them different in the cave

Hm that doesn’t make much sense

What I mean is, inside the cave of prophecies, the lights have their colour from a little sphere in the centre of each one that glows a certain colour... they’re difficult to notice at first but that’s how they get their colours in the cave itself

[pastel brook]

beware the ||mods||

[delicate coral]

So what I mean is that potentially those lights, when they appear in other murals, aren’t meant to be white, but are instead supposed to correspond to the colours we see in the cave

Actually idek if I know what I’m trying to say ... pls disregard this until further notice, I need to work through it in my head lol

[green tartan]

pspps did i miss something

[desert sun]

did you just call us like a cat

[green tartan]

AKAJSHKAJ

[desert sun]

i was just about to bring something to the table, is there a convo going on?

[gilded fossil]

/ooh do please share friend

[desert sun]

i think res was typing so ima let em finish

[solar relic]

wait no i wasn't typing anything LOL i just had random letters typed in because my phone do be like that, do share dae

[neat fractal]

did you just call us like a cat
Pspspsps

[neat fractal]

Also, why do the graves(?)/checkpoints in water trial not have it's symbol but the earth trial's ones have it?

[delicate coral]

I would assume it's just bugged because of the earth trial if that's the case?

[queen locust]

I'm back I smell season lore-

That thing about the Enchantment lights makes me think they split the light they received from the Lightseekers

idk what happened to get that Red and Purple light though maybe they were byproducts or something

[worn citrus]

What could be the reason that clouds on certain realms appear on a very low area and even close to the ground?
Instances like prairie don't really apply since they are on floating islands
For Isle, Forest and Valley however, why do they have their clouds laying so low?
Possibly those are artificial clouds since normally, clouds move along and always do time to time due to the wind pressure and wind currents

And stay suspended at high altitudes within the trophosphere

[queen locust]

Valley suggests it's on a downward slope of sorts but then there's the outside of the Temple with the clouds

The one that leads to Wasteland Social Space- how broken even is this world

[worn citrus]

It could be tht valley is on a floating mass of land since we fell from above to enter wasteland
And how wasteland out of all realms, has the widest and biggest areas

Meaning isle and wasteland, or forest too were the only realms that are on actual ground

[queen locust]

Sanctuary counts for that same level, yes?

[worn citrus]

The one that leads to Wasteland Social Space- how broken even is this world
The background sceneries of wasteland show that wasteland is even bigger and wider than we thought

[uncut root]

Off topic but what do you think about my theory on past Skids being used as labor workers 👉 👈
The king becoming corrupted for forcing a creation he made to work while his citizens watched

[delicate coral]

Meaning isle and wasteland, or forest too were the only realms that are on actual ground
What makes you say forest is at sea level? I don't think it makes sense for it to be given that it ends up about the same level as the top of valley

[worn citrus]

But a scary thing for wasteland is how big is the sea of ooze we see along the boat to enter forgotten ark?

[queen locust]

If you could mass-produce an entire race like that I won't doubt that it'd be used for labor

[delicate coral]

Or maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean by "on actual ground"

[queen locust]

Actual ground= sea level

[worn citrus]

What makes you say forest is on the ground level? I don't think it makes sense for it to be given that it ends up about the same level as the top of valley
One thing that makes me believe it so is that while entering valley from the last part of forest, we are flying upwards, and since a white screen cuts through, who knows how high we've gone to get to valley?
Just a speculation

[uncut root]

Forest was still in the sky I believe

[delicate coral]

Hm I see what you mean, there's not really any way of knowing how high up we go

[queen locust]

Yeah Sunny Isles and the Underground Cavern point to that being the case

[uncut root]

^

[delicate coral]

Still I don't think that forest is at sea level, since we see the actual ocean in wasteland and isle (and sanctuary) to confirm

[worn citrus]

Agreeable, since both upwards and downwards at certain places in forest are layered with clouds

[uncut root]

To be fair, Sanctuary we fly downwards

[worn citrus]

But its still likely all those clouds we find in many places are artificial
They're not solid enough to stay at one place only, since they are at the mercy of winds

And majority of realms in sky are very windy

[delicate coral]

Also since it may be semi-related I'd just like to note that the trees in forest also seem to have clouds as their 'leaves', forming a cloud canopy, so that might also impact how the cloud layering takes place in forest

[uncut root]

But we can't say it's on the ground; who knows, maybe the world is still all in the sky, with spots that were built by the first sky people

Like a ah....terrarium of sorts

[worn citrus]

But its certain that isle, wasteland and sanctuary are at ground level and not suspended in the air with the help of floating land masses

How those land masses float and not get affected by winds is another question

[uncut root]

But if they're in an artificial land, the first sky people could have replicated the world below

If there even is one

[worn citrus]

Its likely since their civilization had advanced ancient tech, being able to make powerful sources of energy just from a flame

And they had the tech to be able to automate large rock walls and doors so most likely I guess

[uncut root]

Ngl, I had an idea that the reason the Sky People left is because the world looks like how GW looks now

[worn citrus]

Their boats and architecture also contributes to it
Us humans find it very hard to even build something that big, let alone somewhere very high

[queen locust]

The Intro cutscene suggests the entirety of Sky takes place on a giant floating island but we've seen the actual oceans already

[thin dirge]

Intro cutscene is really not reliant

Its really not

[uncut root]

I remember seeing something where when you first started, you flew on a boat

To the sky

Or am I wrong,?

[thin dirge]

We dont even know if it's in the chronological order we thought it was

[worn citrus]

Was it a boat?

[thin dirge]

Thats old beta

[uncut root]

I believe it was

[worn citrus]

Oh

[thin dirge]

You used to get on a boat to get to Prairie? Or at least move on from Isle

[worn citrus]

Well all sky kids the first time they start in the first life start without a cape at all

[uncut root]

I thought you took a boat to Isle

[delicate coral]

I disagree, the intro cutscene is reliable, it's just that we may find it difficult to interpret it correctly with what we know right now

[uncut root]

During that time

[delicate coral]

I think

[thin dirge]

I feel like it is kinda unreliable. There's a few things why, but I can't explain it fully as of right now.

But I did explain a bit of it tho

[hushed steeple]

Ok folks wut r we talkin abt???

[uncut root]

The cutscenes, intro included, should be trusted

Considering that's where most of the story is from

[worn citrus]

Living in that kind of altitude makes air thinner as you go upwards
So possibly, the sky ppl are either having that much lung capacity, or do not need the same essentials unlike humans do

[hushed steeple]

Prob yes the elders wont lie...

[thin dirge]

No. Ash said it has its secrets, but they also said thats it just a peak of the iceburg

[delicate coral]

on a very specific technicality, the intro may be told from the POV of an unreliable narrator, but I do doubt it a bit

[worn citrus]

I think the intro can have reliable info, but not all of it

[uncut root]

Alright, so I'm watching the intro

It's extremely stormy when you first start

[worn citrus]

Eye of eden was teased during the intro I believe

[thin dirge]

Thats why I think it doesn't start in chronogical order

[uncut root]

Hardly

[thin dirge]

The murals, at least

[uncut root]

Okay so from what I'm getting so far

[thin dirge]

The first part about the stars falling actually took place when the Kingdom fell

Not before the Kingdom was built

That's what I believe

[uncut root]

Is that after the King had been corrupted, the Elders fell from the sky (Their light, I believe, labeled as stars) Eden and the main cities were built

[thin dirge]

A few things kinda points to this, but I can't say the major pointer yet

[delicate coral]

Yes I would agree with that butter

the intro mural was made after the fall of the kingdom

[uncut root]

And something happened to cause Eden to connect to the upper area

Because the clouds are locked into the area where the stars fell from

And it hadn't been before

[worn citrus]

If the murals aren't set in a chronological foundation anymore, and considering the ruins and settlements in many realms, its possible that the fall of the kingdom was ages ago

[thin dirge]

I mean, the first part of the intro that tells us the stars fell. The stars fell when the Kingdom of Sky fell

Not when the Elders fell from Orbit

[uncut root]

It shows the elders though, is the thing

Their markings

/ signs

[thin dirge]

Yall aren't understanding me...

[worn citrus]

I get what butter meant

[hushed steeple]

Hey butter so does the last part include the wake up child part?

[queen locust]

I can, I'm just tryna piece together how everything else would fall into place if that was how it was

[hushed steeple]

I get what butter meant
@worn citrus me 2... kinda...

[delicate coral]

I don't agree with that

[hushed steeple]

Me 2

[uncut root]

I wanna know what happened to Isle though tbh

[delicate coral]

The stars fall, then there's a big lightning strike (the symbolic storm), then the kingdom falls

[uncut root]

Why are there three WL and two sprits

[worn citrus]

Just that I think the murals not set in a correct chronological foundation wherein they are normally required to in most cultures, shows that murals aren't the most reliable and possibly, some have been lost through time

[hushed steeple]

Isle is lika a road that ppl take to go places.... its like a desert that ppl cant wait to get outta

Isle

Temple,cop,some cave, anywhere...

[delicate coral]

I don't understand - the intro mural exists outside of time and space, since it's in home, so how can it be 'out of order'

[hushed steeple]

Its just a desert with no ssttlers and only travelers...

Time prob yes space prob no

[delicate coral]

oh yeah not space

apologies

time is the relevant part anyway

how can something be misplaced in the chronology if it doesn't even exist within the chronology

[hushed steeple]

Butter is aying u should divide the opening cutscene and swap the first part and the last part... i think its a stretch tho...

[thin dirge]

So I kinda see the storytelling of the intro being more like

"Oh, there were many stars that were united as one kingdom, but it fell apart and the stars fell. They built this kingdom but it fell because they didn't listen. Now I call for your help"

Something like that?

[worn citrus]

There was someone at one point theorized that pocket dimensions are possible as shown and demonstrated by the vault of knowledge to contribute to your statement

[uncut root]

Y'know, I really wonder if we're playing as a reborn King
Or maybe the King was the one who talked to us by using whatever light he had left before corruption

[thin dirge]

The second part of the intro is more like a flashback to explain what happened

Why the stars fell, kinda

[delicate coral]

So I kinda see the storytelling of the intro being more like

"Oh, there were many stars that were united as one kingdom, but it fell apart and the stars fell. They built this kingdom but it fell because they didn't listen. Now I call for your help"

Something like that?
@thin dirge Yeah that's how I have been interpreting it, I'm open to hear if that reasoning doesn't work though nevermind I misinterpreted that

OH wait

[worn citrus]

Yeah
Like you were told what your duty is, and where, but not why

[delicate coral]

I getcha now

You mean that they say the same thing twice?

[uncut root]

Did you guys see my message-

[hushed steeple]

Y'know, I really wonder if we're playing as a reborn King :thinkinnnn:
Or maybe the King was the one who talked to us by using whatever light he had left before corruption :thinkinnnn:
@uncut root prob not...... u see in the opening cutscene when the stars fall for the very last time u r one of them so the other stars must be skids as well... so prob there r multiple skids in the canon of sky

[thin dirge]

I'm not really thinking the intro isnt quite in order, its just that we've been interpreting the events it tells us differently than what it actually meant to tell us-

[worn citrus]

The statues in eden when given back their light suggests we're not the first sky kids

[hushed steeple]

Before u try to refute plz watch again...

The statues in eden when given back their light suggests we're not the first sky kids
@worn citrus yes

And we r not the only ones in xanon either

Oooooooooh sw fannnnnnn

Hi ezra!!!!!

[uncut root]

WHH

[thin dirge]

But as I said once before, those skids are somehow different from us. There's something unique about us that doesn't make us fall into the same fate of becoming a statue in death

[hushed steeple]

I like kanan better tho...

Sabine is cool too

[uncut root]

Okay but,,

[hushed steeple]

But ezra is cooler than hera

[uncut root]

Oh uh
Ezra is my name lol

No idea what SW is

[hushed steeple]

Oh like your rl name?

[worn citrus]

But as I said once before, those skids are somehow different from us. There's something unique about us that doesn't make us fall into the same fate of becoming a statue in death
It's like we are a different version apart from them
And notice how they can fly indefinitely when given only one winged light, whereas we, need multiple of them to at most, flap 10 times

[hushed steeple]

Star wars....

[uncut root]

Mhm

[thin dirge]

You thought it was Ezra from Star Wars Rebels, lol

[hushed steeple]

No idea what SW is
@uncut root how can u not know star wars????!!!!! Jkjkjk

Lol, you thought it was Ezra from Star Wars Rebels, lol
@thin dirge yes exactly

[worn citrus]

[uncut root]

@uncut root how can u not know star wars????!!!!! Jkjkjk
@hushed steeple
Never got into it hsh

Anyways

[hushed steeple]

Bacc to lore

[uncut root]

I know we're not the same as the other Skids because we can actually be reborn; there's something off about that, hence why my king theory

[hushed steeple]

Mayne we r skids ver.2.0

[thin dirge]

Yeah, I kinda supported the theory that we're the Prince/King in a way

[uncut root]

Think about it though...the King is corrupted and "He's in the game, but not how you'd think"

[worn citrus]

Also, notice that when we die in the material plane, we turn into a blue spirit that faded away
Unlike the other skids when they died, simply petrified in the last position they were taking

[hushed steeple]

Skid ver.1.0 could be corrupted like the eden statues and they still exist but we dont see them cuz they live undergroujd or summin.... just a theory

[uncut root]

Maybe the King left a final message for the reborn version of him when he was close to being fully corrupted?

[thin dirge]

Also, note how the narrators talks about waking us up, implying:

1. We kinda already existed before, just... sleeping
2. We were woken up as some last resort-

[worn citrus]

Also, notice that when we die in the material plane, we turn into a blue spirit that faded away
Unlike the other skids when they died, simply petrified in the last position they were taking
From this, I think that all of those statues gave up their light in an attempt to stop the storm, inevitably failing

[thin dirge]

At least, that's the vibe that I was given from those words from the narrator

[hushed steeple]

We r not hte whole king... maybe parts of him or clones of him but no the og king cuz there r several skids in the opening cutscene

[uncut root]

And the Elders were told to basically teach us about the world?

[worn citrus]

W8, we were a last resort?

[hushed steeple]

I personally support the parts of resh theory

[thin dirge]

Or maybe, the character you play is meant to be the King. Not all skids, but only you.

[uncut root]

Yes, it said so in the intro 🥺

W8, we were a last resort?
@worn citrus

"You're our final hope"

[delicate coral]

It doesn't say that

[hushed steeple]

No... i think

[thin dirge]

Making the multiplayer thing work, but the main character is the character you play, so the character you play is the Prince?

Am I making sense?

[uncut root]

It's what it basically said ^^

[worn citrus]

I didn't remember that

[delicate coral]

it says "bring our lost stars home"

that's nothing like "you're our only hope" lol

[hushed steeple]

Yes

[delicate coral]

With that said, I actually do think that we're the failsafe so to speak

[thin dirge]

Yeah, but the words "A long time has passed, now I call to you."

It gives me some vibe we were waken up as a last resort or some final thing to finish off the restoration of Sky.

[worn citrus]

If we would be the last resort, means that all other attempts had been futile
But what were those other attempts?

More sky kids?

[uncut root]

"A long time has passed. Now I call to you. Wake up, Child. Bring our lost stars home."

If it wasn't us to be the last resort, it would have been, "Wake up, children. Bring our lost stars home."

[thin dirge]

The other fallen skids.

[hushed steeple]

Making the multiplayer thing work, but the main character is the character you play, so the character you play is the Prince?

Am I making sense?
@thin dirge no cuz that means from each skids point of view they r all the chosen one so then everyone is the chosen one and its bad.... we r prob more like agents

[queen locust]

Apparently- none of which have survived the storm

[hushed steeple]

The other fallen skids.
@thin dirge skid ver.1.0!!!

They r retiring the older models that have failed and they r introducing skid ver.2.0 as a replacement

[worn citrus]

So we were also saving the fallen ones attempted to rescue the stars?

[thin dirge]

I feel like it is the skid we play. Every skid has diff progress to the game, but even then, we don't see the progress of other skids and it rarely affects us.
So I believe perhaps the King is meant to be the skid you play as.

[uncut root]

I wonder if we were butterflies before we were created

[thin dirge]

So each player has their own story.

[worn citrus]

Good heavens would you look at the time?
Time for candle running and for another ts

[thin dirge]

That's why the Prince/King's role os left to the interpretation of the player-

Ok

Gtg

[worn citrus]

Im excited for those pants

[queen locust]

god I'm too broke for those pants

[jovial nacelle]

the stars have aligned! The time of Prophecy is here! Set forth on your quest to uncover the ancient truth

[uncut root]

Hear me out
During the forest elder's cutscene....

The skids light is taken

What if Skids were created as workers but also for the purpose of stealing their light for the crystals

[jovial nacelle]

In the valley elder scene, I feel like it was a foreshadowing of us ascending.

Liek-

like*

the paddles are the obstacles

which damage us

But we then eventually ascend.

I also noticed we become temporary spirits.

So, we become immortal-

we are immortal*

because

we are reborn

and again

and again

and again-

insert 100,000 and again.

[uncut root]

Did anyone notice that when we go to Eden and through orbit

We see the old, destroyed kingdom?

Also...I think the ending to vault is a memory of how Eden used to look

Where the shrine of the Vault Elder is shown, it matches

[hushed steeple]

kinda yeah.....

oh and ezra if star wars wasnt your thing im sure warhammer 40k is

anyone got the corrupted king concept art?

[uncut root]

Hey....everyone

Watch the vault elder's mural cutscene again

The king's constellation is shown and...

Guess what's in our constellations?

Our friends list is a variation of the crown constellation.

[hushed steeple]

yes

[uncut root]

It also shows us holding the diamond

And guess what the King is doing in the mural

Holding a diamond / sphere

[hushed steeple]

anyone with the corrupted king concept art?

[uncut root]

It should be in the pinned messages ^^

[hushed steeple]

thx

[bitter shale]

@hushed steeple

[hushed steeple]

thank u!!!

wow

do u have a skid and king size comparison too?

[bitter shale]

i only have this

[austere olive]

tall

[hushed steeple]

thx a lot ppl

i dont know wut i would do without u when i do sky stuff

[thin dirge]

Our friends list is a variation of the crown constellation.
@uncut root
Actually, it used to be the EXACT SAME before the Android release I believe. It only got changed due to technical reasons (cause its hard to get the right friend names since some names would overlap on each other and stuff)
So I believe they're the exact same constellation lore-wise.

[hushed steeple]

Skids r parts of resh

So..... thats why

Prob

The king plays a role in sky just not wut u might think

The eden elder is not around to be saved anymore

It all fits in

We r all a smol part of the king

[chilly jewel]

just a thought but i wonder if the forgotten ark incident happened 1st before the habit of praying to the stars happened

because based on the murals at the start, it seems like the stars fall, but none of the spirits really prayed for it

and if you look in the interior of the ark, theres that mural of the 3 spirits praying to the stars, away from the main murals at the exterior, and it looks just like the one at isle of dawn

[delicate coral]

I mean, this ancestor looks like they're praying

that looks like the only instance of praying in the ark mural though

[chilly jewel]

Oh thats true!

maybe thats what started the tradition then

[thin dirge]

I just realised something-

I theorised once that all the other students of the Prophets asides from Pointing Pilgrim are actually spirits we haven't seen yet. They're just spirits who happened to have identical hair to the other spirits we have seen.

We've seen this case with QGs and maybe some Seasonal Spirits?

But I realized something...

There were 8 students

If you exclude Pointing Pilgrim, that's 7

That's the amount of spirits there were usually in past Seasons. 6 Spirits + 1 QG

If those students are indeed spirits that we haven't met yet, then it may be possible we may meet them, as future Seasonal spirits!

Hmm... I'm guessing the mohawk guy who was seemingly best friends with Pointing Pilgrim may be the QG of that Season.
If this is the case.

[junior robin]

Wow y'all made a season out of the students

[sage hemlock]

Season of Trainees

[boreal nebula]

Guys since there are 8 Students at the Prophecy cave. Do you think the 8 graves at the Player Puzzle could be for them?
@heady sinew It could be an idea, but I don't think so. Because the Ceremony Spirit (or whatever is called the teamwork one) is bald

And the other spirit in that cutscene (8p puzzle) looks tall like the Hide&Seek spirit.

Neither of them looks like any of the 8 students (Yet! Could it be that ancestors aged too?)

“I can spill some beans on what I was thinking when I was making the citadel
In my mind, the mountain is like a dormant volcano, or made in abyss if anyone else is a fan
And the whole tower actually goes all the way down, it’s a bit dark but what you see above the clouds is actually just the tip and it’s where all the riches live, and the area under the clouds where the lights don’t reach (mainly inner walls) are kind of like slum. There isn’t any meshes to show that bc it’s an expensive level HAHA, but yes it’s outwardly pretty and extravagant. But....it’s also supposed to be hiding the slums too, since valley is the peak of civilization there’s also a side to it that’s also not pretty and the tip of the tower you see is like the top of the top so scholars, HAHA
Since technology and knowledge is so valued, the top two points (IN MY WORLD) are the twin towers, one with a clock and one with a celestial clock
And the scholars that reside there uses the armillary sphere to study the night sky!”
-Reika
@desert sun WOW.

I already read an suggestion of underwater in #wishlist-and-ideas-archived

Imagine. WHAT IF an underwater new section/map/area (you could enter from the Ice Rink) could lead us at the bottom of the Citadel, flooded and preserved in a its original slum state (mostly)

[hushed steeple]

Ultimate lurker

[hushed steeple]

Guys talk about something we can't have lore chat dead all day

[heady sinew]

@heady sinew It could be an idea, but I don't think so. Because the Ceremony Spirit (or whatever is called the teamwork one) is bald

And the other spirit in that cutscene (8p puzzle) looks tall like the Hide&Seek spirit.

Neither of them looks like any of the 8 students (Yet! Could it be that ancestors aged too?)
@boreal nebula Probably! Maybe they aged a little, but I wouldn't know for sure

[gilded fossil]

/yall

/when we usse the return shrine at home, does the statue slowly turn white as we meditate?

[boreal nebula]

it did slowly turn white, if I recall correct, but it doesnt do it anymore after a couple of updates, its loading time is shorter too

maybe just the Return to Home shrines around the realms still hold that slow glowing up (pretty sure there is one lady statue in all realms Social Areas/Hubs besides Isle and Eden)

[gilded fossil]

/yep checked

/wait iirc did ede- wait no teb continue im sorry i didnt

[boreal nebula]

@boreal nebula Probably! Maybe they aged a little, but I wouldn't know for sure
@heady sinew but if they were the same spirits, their colors should be gold (id already gifted the Ascended Candles)

[gilded fossil]

/ that game mech let's ignore that for noooow

/iirc eden probably had a return shrine tho?

/and also, why at the end of Vault there's a portal to home instead of a return shrine

[boreal nebula]

Like in this case, Proud Tourist spirit on the left

[gilded fossil]

/holy heck whaaaaaaaat

[boreal nebula]

Yeep

And the one on the right should be another TS I haven't had the honor to met yet

[gilded fossil]

/thooooo, maybe they didnt assigned the spirits as the same spirits, since the models are different

[boreal nebula]

Zoom a bit to check, it's the one with the red mask with long ears

[hushed steeple]

It's bunny mask spirit

From gratitude

[upbeat juniper]

The one on right is jumping spirit from gratitude

[hushed steeple]

Ya.. and as far i remember she was there.. behind the 2 players door

[upbeat juniper]

He was in the small cave behind the the door

[gilded fossil]

/this tho. how long has meditate at messaging shrine been a thing?

[hushed steeple]

Her bell sounds annoying🗿

[gilded fossil]

/ spams bell

/so what happens was i spent the whole evening compiling the shrines and properties and such

/without internet flood season help

[upbeat juniper]

Unlike other spirits this one had a tomb if i remember correctly

[gilded fossil]

/wdym???

[uneven sonnet]

Twirl Spirit must’ve been performing with these two spirits!

He is the twirling champion after all

[hushed steeple]

Lightseeker and gratitude spirit are together in one place

[upbeat juniper]

When it came back as ts, a tomb/stone slab appeared inside that cave

[hushed steeple]

Ya i noticed that

[gilded fossil]

/ooooh ? i didnt remember that?

[hushed steeple]

I can't find the pic.... That's buried under 1000+ sky pics now

[upbeat juniper]

Lmao

Did other spirits from gratitude had a tomb too?

I don't remember sassy spirit having one

[gilded fossil]

/yall what was the name of the spirit with a tomb again?

[upbeat juniper]

Jumping spirit or bunny mask spirit

[hushed steeple]

Jumping champion or something

[gilded fossil]

/belonging right tho?

[upbeat juniper]

Gratitude

[hushed steeple]

Twirling from lightseeker... And jumping one is from gratitude

[gilded fossil]

/aaaah saw it

[hushed steeple]

Makes me wonder if All seasonal spirits were in skykingdom at same time or not

[gilded fossil]

/ sorrry i butchered the quality

[hushed steeple]

That tomb

[gilded fossil]

/hmm there is proof that they did exist all at the same time thi

[hushed steeple]

👀 can you send me that jen

Probably missed that

[gilded fossil]

/wait the pic?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhcYmOinpF0

/got it from a yt vid

[hushed steeple]

/hmm there is proof that they did exist all at the same time thi
👆

[gilded fossil]

/ohhh

/that i dont really know?? i mean we did see umbrella dude with the shy spirit

[upbeat juniper]

True

[gilded fossil]

/and then the twirl emote cutscene

/but that;s really it

[icy spruce]

Something I just noticed

[hushed steeple]

That umbrella was a black umbrella not lightseeker one i think👀

[upbeat juniper]

Being all lovey dovey

[gilded fossil]

/ooooh

[upbeat juniper]

Something I just noticed
@icy spruce unicorn

[gilded fossil]

/i be wrong then!

/what;s it chesca

[hushed steeple]

Unicorn without leg

[livid valley]

Stonecorn

[upbeat juniper]

Sigh the yawning spirit memories don't leave me alone

It shows tehre is night in daylight prairie

[hushed steeple]

Ya

[gilded fossil]

/it shows there is resst

[icy spruce]

You can see your own shadow but not the block

[gilded fossil]

/not necessarily night tho

[icy spruce]

Thats the thing I just noticed, haha

[upbeat juniper]

/not necessarily night tho
@gilded fossil it's night if you look at windows

It's dark outside

[hushed steeple]

It's

[gilded fossil]

/ohhhh

/i reallly need to re watch that

[hushed steeple]

Also belonging ending cutscene took place in sunny forest at night time

[gilded fossil]

/wwhy we dont see night then???

/ to hard to program perhaps but I disagreesssss

[hushed steeple]

Something stopped the time

[upbeat juniper]

The planet they live in stopped rotating

[hushed steeple]

Ya probably

[gilded fossil]

/what is time

[hushed steeple]

Maybe tidal lock with the sun

[gilded fossil]

/philosophy wise, time is just a ruler to now something's continuing

/WE arre continuing

/why not the world arround us?

[hushed steeple]

Yay Amio is back

Bacc?

Sorry

Owh

Lol

Lol

🥺

[livid valley]

So they have day and night cycle in other realms back then?

[gilded fossil]

/whyyyyyyy ?????

[hushed steeple]

Ya

[gilded fossil]

/so confusing

[hushed steeple]

Belonging ending cutscene

Lol

[livid valley]

What happend later? Why did it suddenly stop

[hushed steeple]

https://youtu.be/mWWf7LfeCeE

Would love to go there at night time

[gilded fossil]

/confusion noises

/im very confuse at the total lack of return shrines in isle

/the prophecy caves dont even have it waaa-

/they only have the animal shrines that makes you op in the trials

[hushed steeple]

Can't you just go home the normal way tho

[gilded fossil]

/yea why do they even need a return shrine anyways

/and they made it white with scales in the seasonal areas

[heady sinew]

@heady sinew but if they were the same spirits, their colors should be gold (id already gifted the Ascended Candles)
@boreal nebula oooh that's right!!

[hushed steeple]

Maybe they thought to not give that home option in menu before

It would be more challenging than..

[livid valley]

Indeed

[hushed steeple]

No home glitch

[livid valley]

since home might not exist back then so does home glitch

[gilded fossil]

/well, ark is after the home menu button thoooo

[livid valley]

Wondering.. is home already there somehow? Even before Skids

[hushed steeple]

There was aviary back then

[gilded fossil]

/sanctuary as well?

[hushed steeple]

Ya jen

[livid valley]

[gilded fossil]

/like both after the home button in menu was added

[livid valley]

I wonder how the Skids got the home button out in their eye view

Just a screen appeared whenever their wish

Future

[hushed steeple]

Hey guys remember the launched elders theory?

Sjjsjssjjdkd ded chat

[livid valley]

You killed chat

[hushed steeple]

the elders, prophets... lie

(skybot's theory)

[livid valley]

Yet so small yet so deep

[hushed steeple]

but imagine if that was true indeed. like the prophets lying. the king or prince disguising themselves into spirits

to guide us wrong

or someone else corrupted disguising themselves

idk

the topic is so open like all theories and topics can be vague lel

are y'all sneepy?

@pastel brook wake all the theorists up

[delicate coral]

I have something I wanted to share, if a topic is what you're looking for

[hushed steeple]

anything is welcomed

[delicate coral]

I want to hear lore chat's take on this shape

[gilded fossil]

/well delph, sky bot's made by mods not devs
/and----drop what's thaaaat

[delicate coral]

the first two I think are well known as having that shape in common but I think that we can also connect it to the third one

[gilded fossil]

/yoooou know the left over return shrine in forest also has that shape

[hushed steeple]

/well delph, sky bot's made by mods not devs
/and----drop what's thaaaat
@gilded fossil haha maybe they know something. i know it might be trolling but still it inspires to make new theories

[delicate coral]

I'm referring to the shape that looks like a whale/dolphin-tail in case that's not clear too

[gilded fossil]

/also, in the tomcept also has the statue with the whale tail as well

/yup i know

[delicate coral]

ye cool

[gilded fossil]

/the whale tail is seen as the return shrine

[delicate coral]

Do you think it's valid to connect it to those shapes above the isle temple door (the third photo) too?

[gilded fossil]

/seems like beta left over, but still functional

[delicate coral]

or am I stretching a bit

[thin dirge]

One concept art has an skid having a mask that's kinda shaped like that too

[gilded fossil]

/i dont see the similarities tho, but feel free to connect

[thin dirge]

Could it be...

Whurtle?

[hushed steeple]

i think for now these tails dont signify something. i see more of a smart idea

[livid valley]

[thin dirge]

[livid valley]

The legend..

[gilded fossil]

/whurtle taaail

[hushed steeple]

lel

[gilded fossil]

/lemme look for the return shrine tho

/ let's go steal my phone bacc

[upbeat juniper]

aren't those mantas?

[delicate coral]

I just think that V shape is pretty distinctive in the third image, and it's unusual for us to see a symbol in just one place and nowhere else

[gilded fossil]

/manta looks diamond-ish

/whale actually dont have tail like that tooo

/i bet whurtle then

[livid valley]

Manta looks more like T for me

[delicate coral]

I mean it looks like a real life whale-tail shape

I'll call it a dolphin tail since there's no dolphins in sky to confuse it with

[gilded fossil]

/hmmmm

/ cant get phone tho

[delicate coral]

So I do think it seems strange for there to just be these dolphin-tails scattered around the kingdom meaning nothing

So my thought process was that perhaps they were linked to those four figures with the king, since we don't really have any other leads, and the shape of those four figures' heads don't really crop up anywhere else in the game

[gilded fossil]

/well, you can try looking into the tomcepts

[delicate coral]

Of course it could literally just be literal whale/dolphin/whurtle statues but that doesn't quite satisfy me as an answer

I will go look in the tomcepts now

[gilded fossil]

/theres like a pic for all the small statues seen in game

[delicate coral]

oh yeah ik the one you mean

I'll go dig it up

this one you mean?

it's the bottom right in that image

or appears to be anyway

[gilded fossil]

/yyyep

/tho i think it's the middle one

/like exactly middle

https://imgur.com/a/mqUDptK

/here

/spot 16-17 ish

[delicate coral]

hm I was thinking that middle one was more bird-like

[gilded fossil]

/ around that area there's a return shrine, seems to be buried, also, i once saw sth similar at gw

/tru tho, also, we do see dolphins in the pic

/first rơrow (rip keyboard)

[delicate coral]

Oh yeah I remember the buried return shrine

between the roots of one of the trees right?

[gilded fossil]

/yea iirc

/dropman mind if you can get me a pic

[delicate coral]

yep I'll go into sky to get it

[gilded fossil]

/oh yea i have to go, may you ping when you found it Dropman?

[delicate coral]

I think this might be a bird again though

[gilded fossil]

/ooop

/thanks

[livid valley]

It really looks like a bird

[gilded fossil]

/sedddd

[delicate coral]

yeah I think this may be a different thing to the dolphin-tails

[livid valley]

Mhm

[thin dirge]

Come to think of it, Megan actually kinda makes that shape at the end credits. The head of the birb and the tail spread out, kinda making a tail shape like that? Idk, I could be stretching it tho

[hushed steeple]

do we ever see the third statue on the first row in game?

[delicate coral]

most of them don't appear in-game

that one is not in-game

[hushed steeple]

:/

[delicate coral]

hm I think I am incorrect in saying that the dolphin-tail is the same shape above the door in the isle temple, basing it just off the tomcepts I've found

this one in particular which depicts the area in question

the two figures to the right of the king look quite similar to and respectively (with the hairstyles) but it could just be me seeing things

It's a bit difficult to tell with that image, and it's a concept as opposed to the final game anyway so I won't rule it out completely but I'm leaning towards my original hypothesis being wrong here

[gilded fossil]

/looks like portals tbh

/are they depicting aviary tho

[boreal nebula]

My last theory about

ELDERS TOMBSTONES IN EDEN
they are not from Vault
#lore-discussion-spoilers message

Pictures are in the link above that This is the one comment

[delicate coral]

/are they depicting aviary tho
@gilded fossil hm I hadn't considered the location... I suppose the only place in the game where we see multiple portals is home, but I'm not sure that home even existed for the ancestors - if it's outside of time maybe they weren't able to access it

[boreal nebula]

Sorry for the confusion😅

[delicate coral]

teb wdym the elder tombstone aren't from vault?

Couldn't it just be that the roof got torn off when everything was being yeeted into space

[hushed steeple]

why do we see real tangible darkness plants in spirit memories(which actually give wax) but not the spirit themselves?

[gilded fossil]

/yoooo lamb good question

[delicate coral]

I think we need to answer the question of what spirit memories actually are in order to answer that

because the answer will depend on what specifically the nature of a spirit memory is

[short owl]

If dark plants form around things the spirit wants to forget, maybe not seeing what's underneath means they did forget

[boreal nebula]

Inside the comment I just commented there is a link to another post I made.

For simplicity here it is

#lore-discussion-spoilers message

The roof of Vault seems depicted as the sphere with diamonds symbols I got on screenshots in Eden

[hushed steeple]

i mean it is solely the darkness plants, even crabs are not shown in a tangible form in the sunbather memories, depending on how you look at it, it could mean different things

[boreal nebula]

Before the door

[delicate coral]

There's a few scenarios I can think of:

1. spirit memories are memories of only the physical actions of spirits.

• In this case it may mean that spirit memories have limitations in that they cannot manifest anything with conscious thought? Therefore it can manifest objects or plants, but not ancestors.

2. spirit memories record both the physical actions of the spirits AND their thoughts and emotions at the time (ie they function like real, human memories would).

• I saw someone make a theory the other day that darkness plants manifest due to negative emotions. Thus it would stand to reason that if spirit memories also 'replay' emotions, they would cause darkness plants to manifest in places of great grief?

[boreal nebula]

So I think the roof of Vault was never torn apart

[delicate coral]

It could also be something else entirely, but I think it all really depends on what exactly it is that spirit memories 'do'

[short owl]

what if a dev came in right now and said we are not ready to understand what dark plants are

[gilded fossil]

/yea

/you're not ready

[hushed steeple]

if we can actually see tangible emotions, that confirms the telepathy theory

i have an extension to Prophman's two possibility

[boreal nebula]

I just think that V shape is pretty distinctive in the third image, and it's unusual for us to see a symbol in just one place and nowhere else
@delicate coral I think that V shapes is just a symbol of a bird.

Maybe a souvenir / easter egg about the old Aviary

[delicate coral]

I get so sad when it turns out stuff is just a call-back to beta and not lore

[gilded fossil]

/well, feeel free to theorize tho drop

[boreal nebula]

I think I have a picture from the one outside the Forest Temple, but it's hard to find

In my folder

Found it

BTW.. why are boats in HF so small compared to others seen in Prairie?

It sort of bother me

[short owl]

If it helps any, that v in the wasteland is also in sanc and that's new

[gilded fossil]

/yep

[boreal nebula]

I am pretty sure... But I didn't get a picture when I checked... That the V shape near the catapult and the V shapes in Sanctuary are slightly different models

But still think they represent the same thing

[short owl]

Hmm... Maybe prarie has trucks but hf has commuter cars?

[boreal nebula]

[short owl]

Hf seems like a flood risk, and has a lot of bridge related tech

Prarie, on the other hand, has trained mantas that can be used for persobal transit when needed

And a boats person who is clearly transporting tons of goods

[cedar radish]

I’m waiting for a megalodon-sized ship to appear. You’d think the ships were bigger with elders being t o l l

[gilded fossil]

/ark ships tho

[boreal nebula]

Hold on... Your mention of Ark strike an question in my mind...

If all boats (Ark included) had those moving "wings" (can't think a suiting word, sorry) as a propulsion... why can't we see any kind of those on the shipwreck one?

[gilded fossil]

/maybe the krill took it?

/idk hmmm why not shipwreck huh

[boreal nebula]

Oars. The things used to row a boat

(other weird thing is why memories of abandoning ship, near the shores)😅

[hybrid oxide]

Maybe different type of ship?
Shipwreck looks like It's specifically made for cargo shipping and sailing on the sea
Maybe flying is a heavier to do/cost more energy than necessary for cargo

(other weird thing is why memories of abandoning ship, near the shores)😅
Because krill ig

[boreal nebula]

Why not escaping to the shores then?

Or you mean that they had to run away from the krill-infested shores?

[short owl]

... What if the gw didn't used to be land?

The land we see may have been protected by a damn that is still around

And if that's the case... Krill may not be a land species at all

Flying in air costs a lot more energy than swimming, which is why they are endlessly hungry too

You know what else is true about water? It makes blue light less obvious, which would help the krill with hunting

[gilded fossil]

/wow they must have been like, actuall krills

/with all the crabs as well

[bitter shale]

interesting take null

[hushed steeple]

3 - spirit memories record both physical actions/surroundings of the spirit but they only store a snapshot at a specific point in time
- any objects within the snapshot would only be tangible iff it still exists within the time of viewing, think of the snapshot as a barebone copy of the "moment", if elements in the snapshot still exist, then it can fill the memory "skeleton" with real experience/essence.
- by extrapolating on this, you can conjecture that from whatever time the ancestor spirits were in, darkness plants did not change or evolve but crabs did

[gilded fossil]

/tooo much science word help

[short owl]

And if they grow like catfish, they may only be their current size due to environmental factors that were introduced. ESPECIALLY if there were predators that ate Krill (perhaps the wurtle?)

[hushed steeple]

in this interpretation you can kind of see some evidence that crabs may not have been in their current form at the time the ancestor spirits were around

[gilded fossil]

/sorry for interupting but like can we try calculating the length of each realm

[hushed steeple]

oh gee, you need a long chain of chibi for this

[short owl]

At least... Not during all the time ancestors were around.

[hushed steeple]

doing the faint emote

[gilded fossil]

/also, according to you lamb, do you think the darkplants sorta grows on a memory and it sorta stuck?

[short owl]

Hmm... I can think of a way to calculate it, but there is a problem with it. Best way may be to start with maps

[bitter shale]

use the king statue as the ruler