I mean if we talk about connections and circles, in sky it symbolize meditate and gratitude
#lore-discussion-spoilers
kindred oar
gilded fossil
/may i us the dimmed version ginko?
topaz girder
wait is that people worhsippung
kindred oar
Maybe king is showing gratitude towards megan?
topaz girder
tender dune
You know how some show regret as they pray. This could be him showing regret
thin dirge
It represents connection. Its stated literally in a concept of Sky and it seems likely to me its still a thing in the current game
Huh?
topaz girder
pov ur an ancestor praying to the king while they eat a ball of light
tender dune
I think that will be more beta (which is not allowed here)
thin dirge
Is that Beta-
kindred oar
Prophecy is not here yet..
willow shoal
ohhh
topaz girder
jshahah it pains me that prophecy is not here yet
tender dune
We'll find out when we actually are in the season
kindred oar
Prophecy is in a few days 
thin dirge
Its most likely inaccurate
willow shoal
still 5 days remaining
thin dirge
Based from the bugs in beta too
topaz girder
solar relic
thin dirge
Wait a min-
willow shoal
i need it too
thin dirge
We're not at the castle when we fly to Orbit-
I thought the diamond was at the castle-
willow shoal
today i just found all the season icons have one thing in common
tender dune
Rest of castle went up
thin dirge
But we're far from the top
willow shoal
today i just found all the season icons have one thing in common
@willow shoal maybe that means all comes from light
thin dirge
Its like we weren't from the castle itself
willow shoal
and the world’s basic color is yellow
tender dune
Because it wasnt 
solar relic
i think we were at the base of the castle before the camera panning out sequence
kindred oar
I only thought that's the top building of the castle
tender dune
I dont have the english term in my head atm but stormlock first area is like a place of worship in a way. Then its the castle (which went up)
bitter shale
Mmmm watcha talkin-
tender dune
U can already see from the way the statues are placed and the way the floor is designed
thin dirge
This feels like more solid proof for my headcanons then-
bitter shale
@tender dune like a temple?
thin dirge
tender dune
I guess so?. Prayer temple like some egyptian temples
kindred oar
Prayer room?
bitter shale
Seems like... they build the eden diamon under the castle? In some kind of underground room?
tender dune
Probs not a room, its open area
thin dirge
Hmm... There's a golden light thing coming out of the top bit of the castle-
solar relic
the golden light is probably from the diamond
thin dirge
I once pointed out its a lot like the Elder beam thing that showcases the constellation
tender dune
Thing is people keep saying eden diamond is built by ppl. My theory is that its natural 
solar relic
i accidentally oob'd there a couple of times and it comes out from the floor
thin dirge
Nah, we were just flying away from the diamond
tender dune
The same golden light can be seen coming from the diamond and going up
green tartan
me headcanoning that the diamond thing is a cocoon
solar relic
thin dirge
But we just flew away from the diamond
Then we see a seperate beam on the floating top of the castle
willow shoal
diamond is made of dark stone,right?
so it can’t glow itself, but needs to absorb the light and energy from outside, that’s why it glows.
that’s my theory
thin dirge
gilded fossil
/am sorry for interupting
the disney castles, notice how in isle cutscene the top seems taller?
thin dirge
Because its the same castle...?
gilded fossil
/ kadal keep the coccon theory
tender dune
Light is red cuz of theme i guess (when ur dying)
green tartan
i will jen
gilded fossil
/it looks different
/one is taller? if they're the same they suppose to look the same?
thin dirge
Then the Ascent to Orbit is kinda... odd...
tender dune
This is the top of the castle
willow shoal
i wonder what Bricky’s idea about that is
thin dirge
Cause we just flew from the area of the castle, as well as the other guys, but then we see the top bit of the castle again?
gilded fossil
/hmm yea that's probably it
thin dirge
Am I kinda getting confuzzled about this?
gilded fossil
/it coulda been some changes to the game back in old beta as well
bitter shale
Maybe we flying over the part of castle that didnt get nyoomed to th3 space
willow shoal
does castle have official name?
thin dirge
Eden Castle.
fast jasper
is that a moon? the first eden picture
tender dune
I think its like how we see the weird circle in gw temple from shipwreck vs when we see the gw temple in battlefield
bitter shale
Is that pyramid bill cipher i see-
Anyway
Good night butter!
I... dont think its a crescent moon tbh. Its more like a solar eclipse
And the color of the sky really fit with it
gilded fossil
/also floss had theory about it being a eclispe
bitter shale
jinx
gilded fossil
/okay about sky temperature tho
/i was thinking man it must be very hot in stormlock
bitter shale
Or it might switch from cold to hot almost instantly
willow shoal
skykids has really strong skin
bitter shale
Do we have skin? 
gilded fossil
/ skin or clay?
green tartan
we hav stone
gilded fossil
/or is it even clay?
willow shoal
i guess haha
fast jasper
stone
green tartan
I can only bet stone-
bitter shale
A hardened clay perhaps
solar relic
who knows
tender dune
Clay
willow shoal
strong clay that debris can’t damage
tawny summit
Water is in its liquid form there
fast jasper
what’s our mask made out of
tawny summit
So the temperature might be not too extreme except some parts
willow shoal
what’s our mask made out of
@fast jasper stone
bitter shale
@fast jasper another hardened clay
fast jasper
paint
gilded fossil
/gatorade
willow shoal
why not tgc’s codes haha?
green tartan
why am i thinking the rhythm mask made out of obsidian-
fast jasper
yes
bitter shale
Ooh obsidian
lethal stump
masks are made of stone, according to the canon lore doc
solar relic
i thought that was a headcanon
lethal stump
it’s canon iirc
bitter shale
We are too chaotic to get a porcelain mask-
green tartan
lMaO tRu
fast jasper
stuff would shatter
solar relic
o oops i misread the doc then
bitter shale
We bonked face first to the floating islands, whoever give us porcelain mask would be very tired to give us new masks everyday-
fast jasper
btw are crabs slightly bioluminescent? cause they turn a different colour when you bring them outside
solar relic
guess it would depend on the lighting of the area you bring them to
fast jasper
like the sanctuary crabs
tawny summit
Just like chameleons i suppose? Their colour change doesn't look like light-creating
They don't glow like irl bioluminescent animals
kindred oar
They turn red though when they see us
fast jasper
the crabs usually turn grey tho when outside
bitter shale
they are seething with hatred
tender dune
You see meerkat. A lot of people say they change color because of lighting issues but my own personal theory is they change color as gray in the sun because they want to aborb light but when they're in caves/indoors they're white which is similar to pale creatures in caves irl
fast jasper
true that
tawny summit
Woah that have a big possibility
solar relic
o ye ginko do you have your compilation of krebs in different areas?
bitter shale
Interesting... some animals do have ability to turn their color darker to absorb more sunlight
solar relic
just like your phone screen if you have auto brightness on
tender dune
As u can see that gw crabs are outdoors (dark clr)
hushed thorn
Wait if you bring a nice snacyqry crab to sanctuary caves, will it turn mean? Or vice versa?
tawny summit
What if it's like human skin cells when tanning but like, much more faster
hushed steeple
It takes time to change something
bitter shale
Meanie stay meanie
hushed steeple
Specially behaviour
tender dune
Id link my crab summary report but yeah im on phone atm
fast jasper
crabs also turn red when being roasted either than being angry
willow shoal
crab?
tender dune
i still have that one last crab experiment to do too
bitter shale
Kreb kreb
hushed thorn
Can you bring crabs to differnt areas with you
solar relic
ginko's crab summary report
#lore-discussion-spoilers message
tender dune
Thing is i heard that they turn yellow-red when held on flames because of something from the office (like a bug) and it remained that way?? 
tawny summit
crabs also turn red when being roasted either than being angry
I think it's their reaction to light
They turn red when recognizing skykids that are made of light and when roasted (exposed directly to light)
tender dune
thank you res so much 
solar relic
welcomee 
I think it's their reaction to light
They turn red when recognizing skykids that are made of light and when roasted (exposed directly to light)
in this aspect they work similarly to krill eyes
hushed steeple
It won't i think
stark marten
No, they fall through. Same with jellyfish
hushed thorn
ok
hushed steeple
Only skykids can float on them... And Maybe ancestors
solar relic
hello computer(?) 
Only skykids can float on them... And Maybe ancestors
maybe it's because skids have light? i think it works similarly to how you can float as you ride on animals
fast jasper
on the mantas there’s a purple light holding you up
hushed steeple
Jelly(mosquito) call spirit was floating on jellies?
tender dune
They do float. Sry for late reply
fast jasper
FLOAT CRAB
tender dune
Ill check with other fungi
stark marten
Check again with jellyfish too then, because they used to not float (I think) unless something changed ??
fast jasper
does anything happen to the crabs when exposed to wl?
tender dune
Yeah they float in fungi
solar relic
does anything happen to the crabs when exposed to wl?
they keep shaking and turn red like they're about to attack the wl but they never do
tender dune
Jellyfish... are there crabs near jellyfish??
stark marten
In the cave in Sanctuary, and at the end of Forest if you bring one from the temple
fast jasper
inch resting
tender dune
Ah heah
hushed steeple
They does with fallen wings
tender dune
I think they fall but ill speed go to sanc now
With manta they def fall. Tested that
hushed steeple
Can krill float on manta elder?
solar relic
coming soon to you in sky 2: electric boogaloo
fast jasper
wouldnt they attack it tho
tawny summit
Why don't crabs attack light creatures like they attack skykids
fast jasper
i think skykids glow a stronger light
tender dune
With jellyfish they fall
dense fox
maybe they do but only when they touch the ground
thats why they don't chase you if you fly
fast jasper
crabs too short to attack
inner comet
Yall notice how the prophets look bigger and taller than the average spirits
solar relic
in the teaser image they look about the same height to me
might be perspective though
since teaser images are usually much more panned out to fit all of the spirits
tender dune
oh no i thanos snapped 2 crabs😂 😂 😂
inner comet
I saw a vid and they looked bigger to me
dense fox
we'll see in 2 days heh
fast jasper
wait i gotta see heights
tender dune
Any other crab tests u want me to check?
inner comet
hes a chonky boy
dense fox
I saw a vid and they looked bigger to me
@inner comet isn't that part of beta still or can we talk about that here (sorry i'm still confused by some tags)
stark marten
We can't discuss things here yet outside of the teasers, if you're referring to beta content please don't do that yet
solar relic
that's beta content it shouldn't go here sorry
stark marten
But if we're judging based on the teaser, it looks like they're a range of heights. One of them seems pretty tall but the one in the middle is kinda short
solar relic
yeah on the teaser they all look pretty tall to me
i wonder if the middle one gets bullied about their height
dense fox
I wouldn't dare if I were one of the others, too close to the kneecaps
fast jasper
i wonder why the prairie bells are corrupt/dark before you light the candles
stark marten
I guess it could have to do with activating the bells. They didn't used to be that way, it came from an update like a few months ago or something (can't remember exactly when)
It's similar to the bells in Sanctuary in the bell tower that were black but turn gold again when we've restored the memory fragment
fast jasper
ohhhhh
tender dune
The only bells that stay gray are isle bells
lyric isle
I
fast jasper
inch resting
hushed thorn
I know people have already done most of these expiritments but i want to see them for myself
And yes i have an entire memo dedicated to being a crab scientist
tender dune
Have u read my crab summary?
hushed thorn
Yes
tender dune
When u drop crabs from high areas they just..slow free fall like so slow it looks like they're walking on air
hushed thorn
Cool
tender dune
Took maybe 5 or 10 mins for one to fall can't remember (we were losing our mind over witnessing jesuscrab))
tender dune
U can take crabs anywhere (i took them to top of mountain)
hushed thorn
Ok
tender dune
We dropped it from timid gal
hushed thorn
cool
that is a very long way down
ive warped to my friend with crabs before but we havnt really expiritmented besides trying to bring the forest temple crab to valley or at least as far as it can go(it keeps falling and getting lost in the clouds)
tender dune
The things i did
hushed thorn
Yeh thats kinda what i thought. I know i wasnt being very original
tender dune
You can carry crabs with piggyback or warp (thats how we fast travel with them) but once ur swimming in water the crab will autodrop iirc
hushed thorn
Do crabs float in water
fast jasper
no they sink
tender dune
Hahah dw just another crab addict here
hushed thorn
so if i brought a crab to the middle of the ocean i would never see it again
fast jasper
i tried transporting a crab solo
hushed thorn
How did it go
tender dune
Not well i guess lmao
fast jasper
they all just sank
i tried doing a thing but the water was too deep so i couldnt grab the crabs back
tender dune
There is one last experiment that i couldn't do yet because server keeps merging. Will probably have to do it with 8 of my friends in the server or something
hushed thorn
What expiriment
chilly swan
hi does someone knows where it is (i know its wasteland)
edgy sequoia
Try asking in #questions-and-help ^^
chilly swan
thanks
edgy sequoia
Also does anyone notice the little triangles at the sleeves of sky children’s clothes?
I wanna know what they represent
fading bear
Don’t a lot of the spirits also have those little triangles?
solar relic
triangles are a common motif in ancestor attire too iirc
edgy sequoia
I now notice that o.O
solar relic
if i overthink it i would say that it plays in with sharper shapes representing technological advancement (diamonds basically) done by the ancestors
(i doubt they'd go so far though as to mean that lol)
edgy sequoia
I tried searching the meaning of the triangles in google but it gave me laundry tips instead
Oohh
dense fox
In the concept it used to mean that, no longer canon tho but I like the idea
solar relic
yep
skid clothing reminds me of how you'd wrap a newborn baby for some reason
might be because of the main part of the clothing where it looks like it's wrapped around the skid body or it's my midnight brain playing tricks on me
hushed steeple
Triangles were a common motif in Neolithic clothing. It’s basically how humans decorate clothes, but make it really really old
fast jasper
guys i found this thing while recollecting wl in the crab and jelly cave
hushed steeple
Oh yeah, I think they look like hieroglyphics but they appear to be cut off
Just give me a Sky writing system TGC please
bold knot
Guys is there any lore for how gw fell apart and became like how it is now?
short owl
Most think war
It's still pretty open, but the weapons and shields lying around are suggestive
cobalt palm
I think they look a little like clipped elders, left being the valley twins, then forest, then prairie, then Isle and his crook
fast jasper
wait was it among the elders or the dark creatures
cobalt palm
@fast jasper is this in the sanctuary area? I'll see if I can glitch out and see the rest
livid valley
Indeed
cobalt palm
There is another shiny thing after Eden though..
short owl
That looks like a very small sun
cobalt palm
Just got into sanctuary, but the texture is cropped too, so unable to see more oob unfortunately
short owl
It will likely be visible come the season
fast jasper
do you think that there was another valley elder before the twins?
hushed steeple
If so, it would just be Samekh as one person, I think
fast jasper
yep
obsidian fjord
ugghhh i swear i will read it all
fast jasper
we were theorizing over crabs earlier
obsidian fjord
omg crabss whereeee
hushed steeple
Lore chat loves crabs more than anything I swear
topaz girder
kreb seems really protective of their area
obsidian fjord
krebies just wanna play
fallen zenith
If so, it would just be Samekh as one person, I think
@hushed steeple that might explain why they only have one eye each
hushed steeple
And one organic arm (the other is a prosthetic)
obsidian fjord
btw does anyone ever say anything about the dead bird at the valley citadel's gate?
topaz girder
oh it's a leftover from old beta
obsidian fjord
like a uhhh......trophy
cobalt palm
Pines keeps hinting at crab lore, eventually it will be figured out
obsidian fjord
hmmmm that's anticlimactic but alrightt lmao
topaz girder
truly
pine stirrup
crab king
topaz girder
cobalt palm
Eden rain becomes crabs 
queen owl
Did someone here mention having seen the sun symbol in the prairie? Went looking but couldn't find and would be very helpful to know.
Or if you've seen it anywhere outside the battlefield and Eden that'd be amazingly useful. I am further developing last night's hypothesis...
pastel brookBOT
the traveler ||is in a place where clouds cover the sky and the day grows dark||
topaz girder
skybot no
queen owl
Rocks have feet now oh no.
topaz girder
is it the one on prairie dock ??
cobalt palm
@queen owl it's on the piers in the villages by the bells
queen owl
Thanks both!
short owl
... That hint is both misleading and not lore. For shame Skybot, for shame.
topaz girder
imagine THE SHAME of saying something offtopic , not - related to lore , out of nowhere , in the lore chat
cobalt palm
@pastel brook sneep
topaz girder
also forest rain is bad water aint it ?
cobalt palm
Fine
topaz girder
since krills ( from what i've seen ) come from [ bad ] water , maybe krebs form like that too ?
short owl
Might be. Rain may also just be slippery and get in places that standing water doesn't
cobalt palm
The standing water in wasteland is extra sludgy to get into those places too
fast jasper
were the changing station at the prairie always dark or is it a bug like the birds
fast jasper
ohhhh
near nest
Anyone have any theories about what this is supposed to be? It’s in hidden forest near the campfire in the second level
livid valley
Clock for rainbow nothing much
near nest
Ohhh okay. I haven’t seen a rainbow before so I didn’t know 😅
fast jasper
what rainbow thing?
livid valley
If the clock aligned a rainbow will appear
fast jasper
ohhhhh
livid valley
Pretty cool I guess not alot people see it
hushed steeple
The rainbow appears at 5:00 am/pm pdt
kindred oar
Where exactly is the rainbow clock? I tried looking for it once but didn't came across it
bitter shale
uhh its under a tree near the cave to sunny forest i think
hushed steeple
there are dark plants growing atop of it
icy spruce
Somewhere near the end of part three of forest.
On the plateau
And yea, covered by dark planta
kindred oar
Okay noted
topaz girder
near the big bonfire on the river area @kindred oar
kindred oar
Will check. Thanks!
tender dune
Lore chat loves crabs more than anything I swear
it me im sorry
hushed thorn
it me im sorry
me tooi may have made a list of crab expiriments
tender dune
i have made so many lists and pics/vids of crabs
worn flint
same
gentle sparrow
Lore chat loves crabs more than anything I swear
frail hearth
wait wait wait
if crabs are dark creatures
how would roasted darkness taste like?
nocturne drum
okay but
what about that plant in graveyard that turns into butterflies
are some dark plants butterfly eggs?
frail hearth
wait what
tender dune
tbh i think the plants covered a butterfly pit
she means in graveyard, that butterfly pit
nocturne drum
.>
lethal stump
i see it as butterflies caught in darkness, like mantas do in forest
tender dune
i think its the same as when u uncover a pot with dark plants on them
frail hearth
i've never burnt the graveyard plant so idk
tender dune
not the big plant koma
nocturne drum
i mean, i thought i saw butterflies come out of a dark plant in forest too so. Butterfly eggs
frail hearth
then what planT
nocturne drum
tiny round things with no spikes under the top of the highest structure
after the drak-plant stairs
frail hearth
eudhdn i have to go check brb
tender dune
i have a pic lemme find it
u know where the sneak stance spirit is?
above that area
frail hearth
theory: what if wax is actually butterfly eggs that didn't get to hatch because they got trapped in candles/dark plants?
tender dune
finally 
this is the buttefly pit @ koma
https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/739492152828231791
tender dune
i tend to erase pics of things i talked about before and no one really found interesting thats why i coudnt find it in my folder..
hushed thorn
I have made progress in my crab expiriments
cold pelican
Hi, how rare or often are the yellow metals used in the world of Sky? Are they gold? Or just yellowish metal?
How good are the ancestors with their metal craftsmanship? Are the shields made from stone or a different material entirely? I am doing a deep dive with these details for I am speculating what skykids would be like if they are mobilized for warfare, either to fight krills or each other
dapper copper
cold pelican
Yes I know but this is a deep dive speculation of an alternate universe or on a worldbuilder/historian viewpoint on how would the people of the Sky world cope with such a thing
What could go differently if the weapons used in the golden wasteland were much more effective against the krill? In their current technology, will they be able to stand a chance against krills (and possible ancestor to ancestors conflict) with the current materials provided in the world
It is by all means not a suggestion for the game to give it PvP elements, no
The game is not intended for such
With all that said, this is mere speculation rather than suggestion
For we have seen that the ancestors in the Golden Wasteland stood no chance against these seemingly unkillable beasts
Also is the Golden Wasteland a frontier against these Krills? Or are they a military society/government? Or perhaps they were forced to take and make arms to fend themselves?
lyric isle
So what are you assuming the krill are in this case?
cold pelican
I'm sorry if I don't seem to understand your question, I lack sleep for I need answers
But will try to answer your question to the best of my abilities
And to that I answer; can they be defeated with the current technological level of the world of Sky with the materials and natural resources (as seen on the game) to make a weapon or a tool to defeat the dark dragons
lyric isle
What do you think the krill are (so I can understand your theory)?
honestly I see them as war machines but that’s irrelevant
cold pelican
We've seen the fall of the Golden Wasteland and how the remains of the soldiers grow in intensity the more we go towards the end as if they made their last stand, upon investigating, we see no corpses/remains of krills, meaning could they perhaps be beyond powerful and advanced than the ancestors for them to beat the krills?
Irrelevant? It is relevant in my case
Interesting, war machines you say?
That begs the question, who made them? How are they made?
And why
lethal stump
one could argue krills are made like mantas are, basically a culmination of darkness as mantas are culminations of light
cold pelican
Interesting, so your theory is that no ancestors were involved in making these seemingly unstoppable killing machines?
lethal stump
yeah, i believe all creatures aside from possibly crabs are natural and not man-made
cold pelican
Interesting take indeed
lethal stump
and i don’t believe them to be unstoppable at all, they have many exploitable weak spots and maneuvers on the battlefield
let’s say you have your group of soldiers with shields and spears, and a krill primes on the group. They have plenty of time to get into a turtle formation so when the krill dives it impales itself on the spears, and the shields protect the soldiers
skids are children, of course we can’t fight them
cold pelican
Interesting, although given how much our skykids fly upon contact with an aggro'd krill, one might say that a static turtle formation could cause more casualties than lose formation
But the take you have upon impaling itself with the spears begs the question
How strong is the armor of a krill for their spear to penetrate? Or how strong is the spear to not shatter upon impact?
Perhaps their eyes is the weakness
lethal stump
judging by the fact they attack with their face, yet seem to have little facial armour, i would say a series of spears through the facial exoskeleton would be a death sentence
cold pelican
I could agree with that as well, ever think that their face/eye is made of glass? I kinda see it that way
lethal stump
glass doesn’t exist in the world of sky 
cold pelican
Oh yeah! I missed that detail
My bad
Hmm I see I see
If they dont have access with glass making and their weapons and shields seemingly looked like it was made of stone
How did they forge the bells? Is there a mining area for these metals? Are they gold?
By determining a civilization/society on how advanced they could be in making tools and weapons determines their long survivability in threats
lethal stump
they seem to have metals, but their weapons are stone
a dev came into chat, I think it was Nick, and he commented that stone is the primary resource of the world of sky
hushed thorn
Are children of light actual children whos souls are there, or are they fragments? Do we have any theories on this?
cold pelican
Penguin gives a really good question here
lethal stump
there’s some theories in the theory doc !
i believe it’s something to do with the king/prince
cold pelican
Hmmm stone I see? Interesting
hushed thorn
Where can i find the theory doc
lethal stump
in the pins
hushed thorn
Ok thank you
cold pelican
Oh man, a lot of research is still needed so that I'd have enough data to draw what a skykid/ancestor warrior would look like if they are facing krill threats or other sky people
Thank you for catering me and my questions/theories Bricky :D and Penguin and also Voluntary
cold pelican
I will return later in the morning
My questions have been satisfied for now and I shall now get a 05:25 am sleep
near nest
Has anyone spoken about why the isle elder’s mask is the only one missing on the eden gate in home space? Seems a little odd
hushed thorn
I think weve talked about it but i dont know any thoeries
tender dune
i have a few theories but too lazy to message link them 
gnight
lethal stump
well, there’s the boring answer and the fun answer
boring: it’s a beta thing, isle wasn’t really considered a realm, more a tutorial. thus the elder didn’t exactly matter.
fun answer: you get to make up your own answer :3
frail hearth
can someone pass me a pic of the light constellation
i have way too many favorite friends and censoring their names blocks half of the constellation jshsh
fast jasper
it looks like a crown i think
tender dune
king's crown
also i just erased my friends names/icons with editing in gallery lol
boring: it’s a beta thing, isle wasn’t really considered a realm, more a tutorial. thus the elder didn’t exactly matter.
i boo at this boring answerisle has so much lore everywhere (and now with SoP isle lore will explode)
frail hearth
yEs thank you
tender dune
np
green nymph
Okay i give up what is this place and what purpose does it serve? I'm sure you guys know all about it LOL. Sorry I'm a bit of a newbie hope this isn't annoying 
tender dune
not really booing you lmao, just booing that answer that i've seen peeps use
lethal stump
i think that place is just a liddol...lore corner
tender dune
there are too many things in isle that show that its more than just a 'beta thing', thats why
this might be interesting for u kubbimo. tbh i still dunno what those buildings in the middle are i tried to find them in game but gave up
https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/749961593240158339
green nymph
thank u... very interesting indeed. now i'm losing my mind a little less
lethal stump
Hello new Lore Moff!
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if you want more questions answered, read this uwu
queen owl
So the valley also has graves everywhere. Even moreso than the vault. The race entrances, the temple... So, all the roof buildings you go through. Am wondering if it's maybe considered some sort of greathonour, for their famed sportsmen or something.
if we want to go dark execute the loosing team but there's not nearly enough for that
but also game limitations
And no idea where I'm going for with it, but last thought for the night: the crab legs when flipped really, really remind me of like wind up beetle toys I had as a kid. With the way the legs wriggle.
sinful anvil
maybe the sport is really dangerous?
normal berry
the graves at the beginning of the race are decorated with gold, so I'm personally leaning towards the honor theory, that those graves were placed at the beginnings of races as some sort of great honor for important people
fallen epoch
Hey, so this probably doesn't belong in this chat, but I got the karate mask today and I realized that it doesn't cover over the original face, it swaps it out. I don't know how I didn't notice that before, that the face is always covered by a mask. It gave me some odd vibes of the Mask Maker in Hollow Knight 😛
Oh! I got a question! What's up with the Krill trying to attack the Vault of Knowledge?
lyric isle
It gave me some odd vibes of the Mask Maker in Hollow Knight 😛
@fallen epoch
I see exactly where you come from.
sly kestrel
That pic u sent earlier
I simply thought it was an overall view of forest and it’s factory but it does hold a mystery bc the main building in the mural looks nothing like the main forest factory
It looks like a building I’ve seen in golden wasteland and reika said that both buildings have similar motifs
And then I gave up theorizing
sinful anvil
listening to Painting got me thinking about Alef as lucifer theory.
ive got a counterpoint. if the prince is the darkness that made them fell, why was his head connecting with elder stars from each constellation?
lethal stump
one could argue that the circular light surrounding the prince is the « light », which slowly fades around him
but tbh ive abandoned lucifer theory for beta prophecy reasons
sinful anvil
counter to counterpoint: that symbolizes his former status as an “angel”
hushed thorn
Wait what is the alef is lucifer theory
lethal stump
Lucifer Theory
#lore-discussion-spoilers message
worn citrus
Former angels are regarded as fallen angels
Unable to return to heaven
sinful anvil
could the statues be “fallen angels”?
meager fern
My theory is that CoTL are past Sky Kids, our true ancestors that were wiped out during Eden’s Fall, that’s why you find their statues there. The WL found through the realms are their remnants, scattered across the Sky Kingdom. Once you return their light, they awaken once again.
unique dagger
Could make sense :0 since in the beginning we are told to “return the light” or flame
meager fern
Ye
thin dirge
That was theorized in this chat in the past! And yeah, its definitely possible!
meager fern
Ah, I see.
sinful anvil
what if ..
we are alef and we’re told to return the flame bc he hoarded too many into himself. megabird just removes his memories and makes him give his light baxk
thin dirge
Oof
sinful anvil
(inspiration drawn from bricky&null&others)
unique dagger
That is so chaotic haha
worn citrus
"Return the light of the fallen"
But who were the fallen anyway?
lethal stump
the statues in eden
unique dagger
I figured it was the elders :0
worn citrus
Naw like
Who/what are they exactly?
lethal stump
up to you
unique dagger
ohh
worn citrus
Were they really sky kids? Fragmentations of memories of the fallen ones? Or just bounded and petrified children of the light?
Got me thinking
thin dirge
Maybe sky kids are the Children of the Light?
hushed steeple
Are the statues in Eden children of lights?
thin dirge
I mean, that's how I saw it?
worn citrus
I could too but Im uncertain
thin dirge
Idk about the fallen
worn citrus
The lack of the lore is making me
thin dirge
But I always though skids are the Children of the Light
worn citrus
I don't see anyone else regarded both as a child, and a being of light
thin dirge
But maybe Prince was THE Child of the Light. Like, the incarnation of the Light of some sorts-
Not a being of light, but Child of THE LIGHT. Remember the fav friend constellation
worn citrus
maybe we are reincarnated scattered fragmentations of the prince's will to save their kingdom?
thin dirge
The fav friend constellation is called "The Light" and The Light is mentioned a few times in the game directly
It's the place where we're reborn in
worn citrus
So it was explicitly stated that we are children of the light?
thin dirge
We're not Children of Light, as in Children that are made of light, but Children of The Light, as in, The Light's Children
worn citrus
I see
thin dirge
Also, CN Narrator of Game Intro says "My child"
As in, we're the narrator's child-
So narrator is probably the Light
worn citrus
I guess so
thin dirge
I always imagined the Light being the soul or heart of Megabird
Its the sentient part of the Megabird
worn citrus
There's not much on other alternatives
So Ill take this as canon for now
Is it Megabird ir Meganbird?
worn citrus
Ohw lol
thin dirge
Well, auto-correct, I think
lethal stump
i was tired and mistyped
lethal stump
you don’t know the amount of times i’ve called her legbird
thin dirge
My brain goes too fast that even my fingers can't catch up and then I end up doing all kinds of typos
Oml
worn citrus
Is there an evident reason or anything on why we get reborn instead of going with the statues we had saved in Eden?
Apart from game meta, in our journey we relived numerous spirits' and elders' lives as well as help them pass on, and from that, we've essentially saved a civlization from limbo, except for the other spirits that are truly gone
So after we had completed Eden for the first time, is there really a reason for our sky kid to keep living in the material plane? Or is getting reborn a reward for the sky kid to now finally live as they please?
thin dirge
Getting reborn was a reward in the concept lore of Sky and also the story of Journey (TGC's other game)
worn citrus
Since the sky kid initally came there for that purpose to bring the lost stars home
thin dirge
So I don't think its necessarily a punishment like others are saying
worn citrus
And now the purpose has been served, so I guess its just a reward
How is it a punishment?
hushed steeple
sorry to interrupt, i had a random thought if you guys want to hear it
thin dirge
Sure!
hushed steeple
ok so, i think the megabird is actually very weak at the time in game where the sky child arrives, like her powers have become a fraction of what it once were
worn citrus
I guess the concept of reliving that kind of same life over and over again indefinitely without any prior knowledge about it is punishment similar to how it is in the planes of Limbo
hushed steeple
i say very weak, but it appears to us still as ethereal power
worn citrus
But how did she become weak? Were the parting of the lost stars and fall of eden contributed to it?
Just wondering
hushed steeple
i am really sorry, i have to go somewhere right now, i promise i will be back to answer all of your questions
thin dirge
Yeah, I did headcanon that over time, Megan wasn't as powerful as she was in the beginning. The Light, which was her soul, can be barely seen when you zoom out and see Megan in her full glory. I think over time, the Light wasn't as brilliant as it was before
Ok
hushed steeple
Bye Lambda 
worn citrus
So I don't think its necessarily a punishment like others are saying
how did the others see it as a punishment?
thin dirge
I guess the concept of reliving that kind of same life over and over again indefinitely without any prior knowledge about it is punishment similar to how it is in the planes of Limbo
Kinda what you said
Also, we die over and over again
In Eden
hushed steeple
(Really, really traumatically)
worn citrus
In their awareness, it wouldn't be really a punishment if the victim has no knowledge and awareness on the fact it happened indefinitely
hushed steeple
(I cannot express enough how much PTSD Skykids must have which is why I keep saying it)
thin dirge
I think our skid does remember tho
worn citrus
Kinda makes you think if sky kids are despondent to any sort of emotion and sentiment after the whole spiel
hushed steeple
Also I see it as Skykids retain their memories and progress after Eden, which is why Megan tells them their journey is just beginning after the first Eden run instead of giving the whole speech all over again
Also also I like to go by the head canon that ancestors teach Skykids how to feel emotions
fast jasper
inch resting
thin dirge
When you wake up after rebirth, very subtle differences there from the time your skid wakes up when you play the game for the first time implies our skid does have memories of past lives
worn citrus
In that case, skids are bounded by the same fate they are blessed to start their life with
fast jasper
btw is this a whale skele and if it is what killed it or it was a krill who killed it
worn citrus
Which doesn't amount to much if seen from a different perspective if we've already finished helping all spirits pass on and save the fallen statues
thin dirge
Like when your skid wakes up for the very first time when you play the game for the first time, as they were getting up, they were surprised to see the light stone on their chest
worn citrus
Oo i forgot that niche detail
thin dirge
However, after rebirth, your skid doesn't do that
They just... get up
Also, yeah, that does look like a whale-
Ohhh shoot-
Its was the baby of the Whale we saw-
tough island
worn citrus
How the darkness grows on their ribs makes me think if the whale died after the darkness somehow sprouted from within
Maybe it got corrupted but died in the process?
thin dirge
Looks like it actually crash landed on the building there-
It could have grown after Whale died
I mean, trapping butterfly for a long time or when butterflies die off, it creates dark plants-
Could have grown from the death of the Whale
Well, that's how I see it when it comes to dark plants
worn citrus
Maybe it can grow anywhere? Seeing that darkness grows on even non-soil ground
I see
thin dirge
Cause dark plants are seen anywhere butterflies were present
We have seen butterflies in forest, so there may have been abundant with them
fast jasper
wait are there any other plants than dark plants and our bioluminescent grass
thin dirge
Bioluminescent flowers
fast jasper
i mean like leafy plants
thin dirge
The door to the Forest factory/temple and also the murals at the first part of Forest suggest they actually also used butterfly pots to create diamonds-
worn citrus
Not much other than the regular grasses you see and flowers that seemed to glow when you walk thru them
thin dirge
Maybe they had to abandon that method because it created too much dark plants
worn citrus
Is the vault centered within the big building we see in the battlefield of GW?
And if so, then Vault is still within GW biome right?
That means after Valley, there's nothing but similar areas to GW, and due to how vast GW is compared to other maps, its possible that Prairie and Forest and Isle are the only ones that can currently support life
Most likely
thin dirge
I see it as inside the Eden mountain
The temple was at the foot of the Eden Mountain
It was like that in very old concepts too
fast jasper
what if the stars meant the elders when they fell
worn citrus
Ooo I see
Didn't notice that
fast jasper
from orbit
thin dirge
It was believed to be so
worn citrus
Mostly due to how vast GW is that I didn't consider to be it within or near a mountain
thin dirge
When you use rocket at GW social space, you'll see the Eden mountain, and its super close
That's why I think GW is not that far from Eden
The mountain, I mean
fast jasper
i think eden isn’t visible from the isle
thin dirge
Actually, it kinda is
But the Isle temple covers it
But when you fly from the temple, you see the Eden castle
worn citrus
If Eden is visible from that afar, would that mean Eden mountain is higher than everest?
thin dirge
We may have not been going in a linear line
One concept of Sky shows the map of the Sky Kingdom
Its in one big island, and we've been going around it
I think
But this is a fantasy game, it could be as high as Everest-
Come to think of it, does makes sense-
worn citrus
If not, as high as Olympus Mons
thin dirge
When you fly to Orbit, the top of the castle is literally reaching the stratosphere
worn citrus
Its possible but some areas are connected closely, like prairie and forest
thin dirge
Its top is actually reaching space-
worn citrus
When you fly to Orbit, the top of the castle is literally reaching the stratosphere
Which makes flight hella easier but slow down pls or be on fire
Due to air friction
thin dirge
Oh yeah
worn citrus
Being a fast typer is good
except for the part where u keep going thru typos
worn citrus
Also, if we're leaving the stratosphere, we should reach the speed of at least, mach 11, since earth's gravity still bounds us
thin dirge
Like that one time I called the King "Kiny"
worn citrus
But our skid doesn't seem to be at Mach 11
thin dirge
Sky doesn't work like our world tho
worn citrus
W8 this is a fantasy game so might be magic
thin dirge
King + Tiny = Kiny
worn citrus
Its a good nickname tho lol
Fast typer + fat fingers + on mobile = worse than average typers
fast jasper
true
worn citrus
Yes that is me rn
fast jasper
wait arent skykids lighter than usual? plus our cape so that kinda makes us float
mossy trellis
Not are cape, are body. Even without a cape you can still "Glide"
hushed steeple
ok I am back
worn citrus
When things that fly glide, they leave vaportrail at the tip of their wings, and skid's vaportrail comes from their hands doing a t pose apart from their cape actually making that
Welcome back lambda
willow shoal
okay, so the 1st Βeta testing didn’t have winged light yet?
hushed steeple
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lethal stump
who’s that directed at ?
solar relic
nothing was said about elders and ancestors being of different species in the canon doc
only skids and elders in that skids cannot grow up to be elders and elders have always been elders
hushed steeple
alright
fast jasper
how tall are ancestor spirits? are they the same height as the twins or shorter?
hushed steeple
is anyone in the mood to read a three page text wall?
Wait do skids eat?
skids dont have mouth
How do they make noises tho
Lol
kind bobcat
skids absorb light, and they fly with ponchos
it's safe to say they make noises with magic
hushed steeple
now that I think about it, I never thought about that, it seems the more energy a call requires, the more closer to a fetal position a skid needs to be, could this reveal some insight into the source of the call?
kind bobcat
We do have noses though
hushed steeple
And mouths
How do you explain the Shhhhh emote
you need to bend down to perform a deep call while a normal call only involves nodding the head
shhhhh, we dont talk about that
I just made a double pun didn't I
Yup
And the yawning one too
fast jasper
aren’t those technically noises?
hushed steeple
i have no idea to be honest, I haven't thought about emotes in depth
what are your thoughts on it?
Because pay attention to where they place their hands
fast jasper
oh crap i forgot the shivering emote
hushed steeple
Over their mouths
If the devs didn’t want them to have mouths they would have changed the emotes
Because why put an emphasis on a body part that doesn’t exist
Now that I think of it we have solid evidence that they sleep
well the ancestors do sleep
fast jasper
what do you think the ancestors heights are
hushed steeple
Evidence coming from the bed in Prarie, and the snoring from the level 2 version of the fainting emote
Hmmm
I’m still trying to figure out Skykid heights
it already has been figured out
let me find the link
fast jasper
i think it said the heights in the lore vautl
hushed steeple
we have canonical skykid height
fast jasper
like from 2’9 to 4’10 or something
hushed steeple
So If we compare the height of the tallest or smallest sky kids to the ancestors, we will get our answer
there were a lot of attempts to calculate height on the elders
i am not sure about ancestors
fast jasper
so the normal height is 3’2
hushed steeple
we even had krill size determined to some accuracy by lego
#lore-discussion-spoilers message
sinful anvil
tmw ur so short that the tallest skykid can reach ur shoulders
hushed steeple
note measuring using the chart is still susceptible to perspective distortions but it is the best method we have and probably the best will be able to have currently
I cant grammar
fast jasper
this is what i got from this height comparison thing i found
hushed steeple
Lol I’m as tall as an ancestor
fast jasper
actually skids are belly height
sinful anvil
so ancestors are “humans”
fast jasper
basically
sinful anvil
so elders arent rly like giants
they seem more like ppl taller than average
or athletes
lethal stump
thé elders heights are wack and aren’t accurate to their ending scene so i tend to disregard them
fast jasper
wait i gotta do the twin heights that are in the doc
hushed steeple
Wouldn’t the sky kids also be human height since they are just smaller, younger versions of the ancestors?
lethal stump
not necessarily, we see an ancestor child that looks very different from ourselves
we aren’t the same as ancestors
but we’re similar
sinful anvil
the sightseer’s kid is taller than skids
why aRE SKIDS SO SMOL
even smaller than an ancestor “human” come on we are demigods
fast jasper
well i did spiky and hill
lethal stump
they’re the same height, though
fast jasper
and damn they tall
sinful anvil
rip
lethal stump
as i said, the heights in the doc are inaccurate since they don’t match the ending cutscene
fast jasper
oh well
sinful anvil
i thought elders are gonna b a lot taller tham ancestors
lethal stump
like, teth is supposed to be 2x lamed’s height but they’re the same height in the cutscene
sinful anvil
like giants
fast jasper
welp
hushed steeple
ok bye everyone, i will come back with my theory tomorrow hopefully
Bye
Wait, aren’t the skids in every cutscene?
fast jasper
wait lamed’s cutscene place i think the height can be more accurate
so oob is an option to mesure i guess
lethal stump
i think what’d be best is if someone who knew how to do heights went to the all elders oob (since that’s the only accessible one now) and measured their skid to the elders
i did a very, and i mean very crude measurement and teth came out to around 6’2 and tsadi was like 9’5
hushed steeple
Man, if only Elders were able to be in that stone form ancestors are
fast jasper
wait which elder tsadi
lethal stump
Wasteland
fast jasper
ohhh
sinful anvil
i thought teth oob is fixed
hushed steeple
Rip
lethal stump
all elder oobs that require tables don’t work anymore iirc
hushed steeple
Lol
Well someone has to have footage
lethal stump
the problem is that the elders aren’t consistent throughout the cutscenes for some reason ?
like in the forest cutscene, teth is huge then in the vault cutscene shes like barely 2x our size
hushed steeple
I think that the “group photo” in the Vault is a projection
fast jasper
isnt teth in the back like very back beside tsadi
lethal stump
yes
fast jasper
i guess that kinda explains
lethal stump
i took some photos in the oob but they weren’t ideal
fast jasper
is the valley cutscene oob still available
lethal stump
yes
short owl
Maybe Orbit would be the best place for measurements? It's the only place we are meant to get that close
lethal stump
that would make lamed a giant
short owl
The down side is their positions make it hard to measure
Is that a problem?
Lamed being BIG
lethal stump
i just
it doesn’t feel right ?
maybe it’s the vibes, but i don’t feel like lamed is supposed to be giant if in the two main cutscenes we see her, she’s pretty average sized
lethal stump
upload it directly from your photos
lethal stump
yep
fast jasper
OH HECC YEA
fast jasper
well she is is kneeling
lethal stump
my estimate is that all the elders are at least 6ft
fallen epoch
Wait, I don’t think anyone answered my question earlier
Why were the Krill trying to break into the vault?
hushed steeple
Some theorize they were actually trying to get out of vault
Although, whether they were trying to break in or break free, the reasons are too vague to give a straightforward answer as to why
sorry
bitter shale
dont be sorry
queen jungle
Okay so-
You all know Orbit, right?
What if that place is heaven for the spirits?
jaunty eagle
I was thinking that it probably is, and the spirits had to edit it for skykids as a last resort
When they created us and stuff
I mean orbit is the universe, and the spirits live in constellations
So it makes sense
queen jungle
Alright, so in the prologue vid, they're talking about the Kingdom. How the stars (in Orbit presumably) kept the light. But one day it fell dark and the stars fell.
I really think the stars are us because we're represented as stars and when we come back from Orbit we're represented as stars drifting from the sky.
queen jungle
:D Thank you!
jaunty eagle
I noticed that we were talking about height earlier and I’ve had a question rattling my head for quite some time
Why are all the ruins and buildings and stuff so oversized
For instance, in valley the stands are MASSIVE
and the doors are huge
queen jungle
I have a possible answer. The Spirits and Elders are huge as well. So it was built to accomodate.
We came way after.
jaunty eagle
And yet some things seem to be skykid size such as lamps and the platforms in the trees in forest
Yeah I thought that too till I found the cheer emote. We see the spirits memories against the stands and the spirit is the same height as the step
queen jungle
I like to think now, that the Power Diamonds were built closer to the downfall of the Kingdom. And someone prophesized that the descendants would be smaller.
jaunty eagle
😌🥰
queen jungle
:3
arctic viper
I am wondering if the skykids are silicon-based life form
Because the skykids loses energy and turns into stone
Hitting an obstacle makes a crisp impact.
tender dune
We dont know what skykids are made of officially so you can theorize whatever u want (silicon is a new fresh guess btw xD ).
kind bobcat
well we do know the texture though
skids look similar to the ancestors which are described to be made out of something with charcoal-like texture
and i heard that the sound effects for skykids were made with clay
ember temple
the ancestors which are described to be made out of something with charcoal-like texture
Wait really?
worn citrus
from their appearances, It's safe to assume that, and given how their color palette seems to be focusing only from various degrees in the black to white palette
hitting an obstacle actually makes a ding like sound, kinda like a small bell
or is it the crashing sfx?
tender dune
That ding sound sounds a lot like irl clay ding
lyric isle
I’m personally feeling parallels to golems for some reason
bitter shale
do you think its quite weird that there is some ancestors that need to be be given ACs twice?
like the waving guy in prairie and the crying lad in forest
lyric isle
I had this completely random idea just now
lucid swan
@bitter shale weird maybe, but I get more permanent wl
lyric isle
the reason crying requires 2 is the intensity of those last moments
but it doesn’t make sense for waving
lucid swan
It’s the cosmetics
lyric isle
For crying it’s that that trauma requires more to ‘heal’
lucid swan
They wanted to fit in more AC into the spirits, I think that’s why
hushed steeple
Cry and wave are the only two emotes that go to lvl 6 so i dont think so
lucid swan
@bitter shale yes
willow shoal
well, i found something interesting among the season icons
just take a look
all of them are symmertric except gratitude
and their basic color is gold
sly kestrel
Each season icon jus had a meaning to their season, I don’t think they looked into meaning of it being symmetric
willow shoal
but the gold icon maybe means the light?
sly kestrel
I can tell u each meaning of the icons but u have to be more specific on when u say “gold” icon
Technically all of them are gold
willow shoal
interesting
sly kestrel
So....which one are u talking about
Or do u want me to jus make a list on each meaning
willow shoal
ohhh i just try to find if they have something in common
tender dune
But some symbols tend to have multiple meanings
sly kestrel
I mean, some seasons are connected lore wise
But not the icons itself
tender dune
Like enchantment symbol 
willow shoal
go ahead, I’m waiting for the connection
tender dune
I remember its also been said that some symbols have multiple meanings. I dunno if they thought of multiple meanings in the previous ssns tho (stares at rhythm symbol)
sly kestrel
Gratitude....well it’s a bit obvious what the symbol means but it can hold other meanings
Lightseeker is the symbol of 2 hands holding the light, belonging is supposed to represent a connecting chain, which symbolizes family coming together or people coming together. Winter...this is a bit obvious as well, there were multiple concepts of the winter icon but it mainly revolves around the ❄️
The enchantment icon holds multiple meanings but one main one is the symbol of the ark
Sanctuary, 99% sure it’s a manta symbol and the prophecy icon
Well I’m not allowed to discuss that just yet 🤫
And like I said
The icons have no connection
The seasons and the lore yes
But....not the icons
There’s no reason to
tender dune
megan
sly kestrel
That too
tender dune
Megabird
sly kestrel
Megabird nickname
willow shoal
i know
sly kestrel
Then why ask
willow shoal
Then why ask
@sly kestrel idk the connection between icon and megan
sly kestrel
That’s actually a new theory, I never heard of it being Megan before
Although it does seem off topic to add a symbol of Megan to the enchantment season
sly kestrel
I mean, not enough to add it to the entire icon
willow shoal
u know,at my first look of it, i think it must be the harp
sly kestrel
The story isn’t much based on the megabird itself
tender dune
But she contributed to making the orbs
sly kestrel
Yeah there’s theories that it played a role
But not much of a big one
Ahhh I see u have different views
tender dune
Its her embers that made the orbs
sly kestrel
Does ur theory at leasttttt include the fact that the enchantment spirits were vault scholars
Pretty sure that was made clear
sly kestrel
Does it at least include the lightseeker season
tender dune
Yes
willow shoal
enchantment orbs were made by spirits, weren’t they?
tender dune
They were tweaked by the vault spirits
Trying to find my theory msg link gimme some time (its a bit old i didn't update it but it has the first part of my theory)
sly kestrel
I have a summed up version of mine
Not all the details are there, but it explains most of it
This is my view and opinion on the backstory of the ark. The spirits from the season of lightseekers found this mysterious light source and decided to share it with the scholars, they then adapted it to make new powers, psychic, illusion, fire, water, air and earth. Scholars had an idea to change the world with this power, to seek prosperity and change, probably to undo the damage in wasteland. When the season started it even said that these spirits were on their way to prosperity. But with all that power and all the orbs in 1 single ark, it attracted a deadly storm and caused them to crash into a deserted place. They were stuck here without a way out so they decided to adapt to their environment and wear clothes for the desert and we see them as “turban” clothes. One of them even made a farm. With no way out, another one of the scholars painted murals on the ark so someone could know their story and maybe one day, someone will find the ancient ark buried underneath the sand and fulfill the ancestors wishes
willow shoal
Oops, I heard that enchantment spirits were witches/wizards, they carried the orbs to the eden but fell by the storm/krills
tender dune
Found mine its a bit unupdated tho but the ark ember thing is there #lore-discussion-spoilers message
sly kestrel
If I went to details...well it could flood this chat and i don’t wanna do that
tender dune
Also my friend and i found some weird stuff in ark but im looking for more details to try to theorize
Some stuff that were..off
sly kestrel
I have a tiny theory on the extra debris on the hidden island
tender dune
I didn't screenshot all the anomalies we found but it seems like there is more than what the theory mentions
sly kestrel
A lot of ppl questioned what’s with the extra boats and giant anchor
To satisfy my head, I simply said that there were others that knew about this hidden place. Ppl who prolly tried exploring before the ark crashed
There were 4 different types of boats there I believe
And who knows, could’ve been more underneath the sand
tender dune
I did oob under the sand
sly kestrel
Well not literally under the sand
tender dune
No boats down. All on the edge of the surface xD
sly kestrel
But..story wise
tender dune
Yeah
willow shoal
||morals are always profound||
sly kestrel
And the murals in the cave at the island
Do u think the scholars made that mural, or older and more ancient habitants made that mural
willow shoal
island? u mean the ark?
tender dune
The ones in the crab cave?
willow shoal
sanc?
tender dune
Forgotten ark^^
sly kestrel
No I mean the hidden island where season of enchantment takes place
Ye
And island and a giant boat is not the same thing
willow shoal
ooh, so that’s clear
tender dune
We dont have much difference in ppl doodle murals. They all have 2 lines (the ones in cave and ones on ark)
willow shoal
the spirit in the cave was named as “Explorer”
sly kestrel
He was named a pioneer
tender dune
Do you have any theories of the pillars found in ark? We see them in FA and in isle. I never saw ppl mention them
sly kestrel
If ur referring to the spirit at isle of dawn
tender dune
They're very abnormal
sly kestrel
Looked like some ritual tbh 💀
But idk actually, but ur right, it did seem abnormal
willow shoal
which pillars?
sly kestrel
Could’ve been simple design they came up with but
It seemed a bit random to me
Couldn’t explain it
tender dune
They're found in front of crab cave. At red light.
In isle They're at the cursed wl pedestal
I think i have pics w8
sly kestrel
Also, I forgot they are in isle too
sly kestrel
Now that I think about it, there are some connections to isle and the hidden island
tender dune
I think i erased the ones in FA cuz i thought ppl would ignore my findings but let me search thru my phone again 
sly kestrel
The boat with the design of the ark and the lights, the pillars, and the mural similarities
.....now I’m a lil confused
Why do they have connection 
tender dune
Vault too
