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It's like 0.01% lore and like 99999999% gameplay

Anything else aside from that could definitely be explained by story someday

next season will increase it to 0.02 percent dont worry
well, the devs have been working on implementing more lore
This is giving me Undertale flashbacks
Maybe that’s the process of what happens when a power diamond absorbs light. It captures the light source. The soul of the thing of light. Much in the way that darkness plants capture butterflies and mantas
I don't think the season gave any lore at all
Honestly, I think they're just someone who made mistakes. Not necessarily evil or bad
no beta here please
I guess so
Maybe no one ever had a motive for something malicious
So the “prince” is left inside of the giant diamond ♦️ at Eden....
But either their curiosity or something else caused their downfall and all those chain of events
Plus, Prince concept art is literally an skid with a star mask
Self porttait of res
And that freed the king of his innocences and light
#screenshots-and-videos, Oopsy ?
Considering how innocent our skid is, and how Prince also literally looks like an skid with a star mask, I'm pretty sure they were someone who didn't have any malicious intent

Probably did a lot of mistakes and were imperfect-

Or us skids are just reincarnated from the prince to fix what their kingdom had become?
Or Megan
Please stop spamming
Is that a red bean tho
whats with the beans
You know, when I was thinking of the Prince being the Child of Yhe Light... I suddenly realised that itself may be a Christian reference.
A holy trinity of sorts
You know, Megan is stated to be the God of Sky World, while Prince is their child...
Megan king and prince/child of light ?
Could be
I mean, we have eden and such
You see where I'm getting here?
Yeah
that's what i had in mind for my prince = king = col = us theory
That's also the reason why I had that idea the Prince took on the punishments of the Elders instead so that they could be saved
babey 
So the prince would be unable to be saved since he took the damage then?
Well, yeah, in that way
There are 6 elders besides the king... (6 is numerically similar(half of) to 12 apostles).
Oz, that reminds me of something in the concepts!
The old Valley of Triumph had statues that represents the Ancestors/Elders
If so, then the same thing might've happened to the Eden Elder and why they aren't able to be saved anymore
Also I like to think the devs are quietly watching this for ideas to implement on the official lore if ever
Originally it was the “shaman” (I think Lamed or vault elder) who showed Prince the power of darkness
Maybe she’s the Judas
However, they had 6 extra statues that were cut down. It was there to make it look like there had been extra 6 Elders/Ancestors aside from the other 6
Lemme go get it in Tom Zhao's website

I said that last time Bricky and someone corrected me saying it was Lamed
nah, teth was more shaman-y in the concepts
I thought it was Teth because she was the forest elder and they found it in the forest
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Maybe the other 6 elders that had their statues to be cut down were too late to be saved before the Prince supposedly sacrificing himself to spare the remaining 6?
This may be blurry
But it may also be really outdated
Oh wait, more than 8-
Oof
Wait, lemme check the original image-
#5
12 elders pog
More than 6
If ever elder is represented as for each realm, then maybe there are other realms undiscovered or lost forever?
But this was back when the dark stones MADE the elders into god like beings
Is there an updated version or retcon of it?
Well I guess this'll do for now
Yall should check out Tom Zhao's stuff at his website
There should be a link to this in Pins!
Or is it already there?
Tom Zhao’s original al idea was that the ancestors were normal people and the prince gave them dark stones each and they became god like and ruined everything because the dark stone corrupts
Yeah, its also the opposite of the Flame
The opposite of the flame?
Why does the elder manta look like this? Like since when did it have a rock head amd it became fat
Not my pic btw
That's a manta? I thought it was somewhere being a whale
ngl wish the elder manta is solid
Oh wow, that's filtered
I like this manta more since the whale at eden literally made me lose a light once i touched it
That’s an. Old concept Oopsy
I like this manta more since the whale at eden literally made me lose a light once i touched it
@hushed steeple .
I like this manta more since the whale at eden literally made me lose a light once i touched it
thats exactly what i want it to do to me
Those Mantas probably use light like us, so that's probably why we get drained
From the concept, we could stem the possibility of Krills once being light creatures and not being originated from purely darkness
Butter what did you mean by “opposite of the flame” ?
It was stated in a concept-
Oh yeah, old timeline
Those Mantas probably use light like us, so that's probably why we get drained
@thin dirge No cuz it's not actually supposed to be touched
Is it game meta or just like that?
Sometimes it justs put out your flame
Dark stone is stated to be the opposite of the Flame in the old concept timeline
But ME i lost a light
The in game method of getting light is exactly the same as Thom Zhao’s concepts buttter
Maybe cuz the elder manta is more solid that normal ones and we lose light if we bump to a solid wall a bit too hard
More or less the same kind of aspect
protection
Or just game meta
And darkness is the same as well.
Maybe Light creatures don't exactly have complete physical bodies but rather metaphysical ones, and they become more solid as they age, hence the elder manta being like that
And their light would become less vulnerable
Someone was asking a while back why I thought Teth was “evil” and I think I have a better answer than “she snatched the flame from the skid and didn’t give two snippets about them.”
Maybe she was just brash and impatient?
^^
Originally ancestors harvested light that was given by the creatures of light.... it was Teth who devised a way to suck it from them
There’s nothing that says pure unadulterated evil than a person who’s willing to take something from someone else without their consent
That’s Teth
Hidden Forest Elder
Definitely megalomania if that's the case, after realizing what she can do and what she can achieve without any thoughts of the possible consequences that might occur
Too much light drained from creatures of light could either kill them, or corrupt them turning into their dark variants
She saw creatures of light as expendable
Which is a fatal flaw I believe
Like it would explain why they have so much power diamonds and anything similar to it scattered in the realms, being another source of light other than the light creatures
faux i wanna mention one thing, are you aware your name means « false » in french
Yes im aware
The power diamonds were used to destroy creatures
Also its a word play on being sounding/looking similar to "fox"
And also how I like foxes
wheezing exclaims
Yes foxes do make sounds like that
I guess Teth is someone who sought power initially through nobke reasons, and ended up being corrupted in the long run
Noble?
Power does not attract the corrupted, but rather attracts those who are easily corruptible
I’d like to hear your ideas about her actions starting out as noble
Noble like seeking a revolutionary way to improve their kingdom or something like that
Or seeking approval from the royalty
But at the clear cost of the freedom and livelihood of the creatures that have them gifts ?
Maybe even Teth wasn't aware of that, like she is the genius of her civilization, and did not tell much about her discoveries to the other people, notably the elders and the royalty
She wasn’t experimenting with non-living things. She literally built cages and refineries to capture and crush the life out of the creatures
This was no accidental casualty
We had something similar to this
We weren't aware that industrialization affected the climate and environments
She willing created these things
Then perhaps she was initially evil I guess
then how come the forest is handed to her who mishandled it?
I’m not sure I understand the question Pale
Then her premise is more or less the same we see with geniuses starting something revolutionary
Only to end up to something far worse
i mean its surprising that the forest, rich in ecosystem, was put into the hands of someone who later abuses it
its not that surprising but
Well the forest seemed to recover, but we didn't know how long it possibly took
Also some trees were lifeless and weak, as well as dark plants growing abound
on par with twinsoftriumph’s story that she is forcibly corrupted, forest’s curvy frame, i kinda hc her as the mother nature and assumed that she took care of the forest for a while.
She built cages
in the cutscene the way she looked at the stones is vulnerable but ofc it slips away later
And a machine that sucked life out of creatures
She is (in cut scene) lamenting the breaking of her invention. The life sucking stone
Dark stone.
maybe she was handed with the forest not to look after its nature. maybe she was ordered to look after the people instead and teach them to forge and make use of resources
the nature is just, like, cash grabbing
Exploitation is only inevitable during the process of technological revolution, but she still took it too far
You think an ancestor built the cages and animal refineries without her knowledge ?
Thats also possible-
i kinda changed my mind tbh
Maybe, but idk much from that
teth is not a forestress. she is a forger
Also how her shrine seemed to be the the most techy than the rest
it must be why
Other shrines didn't have a mechanism and such, only asked you to light up the candles
wherher elders are assigned with realms or they chose is an entire other story, but yknow teth being naturally selfish is plausible. its possible her job isnt to look after the forest at all
To show her technical prowess
her objective is to forge and profit not to keep it flourishing
Its likely that she didn't embrace things like spirituality or anything similar to that, which is why she sees light creatures and the light as only resources and fodder
Whether Teth oversaw or personally created the manta cages is Symantecs. The Furer didn’t build the concentration camps
they arent camps
they arent ground for labor they’re like food
The mantas ?
I would argue they are more than a food source. They have literal souls that go to the same place that skid and ancestor souls go, they willingly drop light for the ancestors. They help skids fly to high locations without command
In tomcepts they even have sentience
that cluster of sanct mantas that swarm u when u fly to them like 🥺
Wait where in the tomcepts was this?
so after all this time ... when teth met us she’s still a jerk? 
She’s evil
I really need a list of names because I was lost reading the chat
names ?
Teth = hidden Forest elder
Teth's efforts are now h e r e s y
Isle: Daleth (ד)
Prairie: Ayin (ע)
Forest: Teth (ט)
Valley: Samekh (ס)
Wasteland: Tsadi (צ)
Vault: Lamed (ל)
Prince: Alef (א)
King: Resh (ר)
PLEASE NOTE: These names have appeared in concept art and are often used when referring to the elders. They are no longer canon, they are fanon.
daleth is isle
ayin is prairie
teth is forest
samekh is valley they share a name
tsadi wasteland
lamed vault
someone else said it but ima send mine anyway
Bricky is always fast
part of my memorization of elder names is thanks to synesthesia
Wait aminute there's just one name for Samekh?
Ya
yes
Yeah Sam and Ekh
Sam ekh
dont trust anyone saying they are daleth and alef thats a lie
Ah I see
They shared name
Could be sam and ekh or sa and mekh
and same goes to those saying tsadi is caleb
heretics
H e r e s y
Burn the heretics
slay the infidels
Who’s down with my crackpot theory, Teth is evil!!
Also aren't skids technically angels sent by the mighty big bird god?
teth no evil teth a strict mom-
Teth is forest mom. I mean, Teth is basically a mom
teth is hecking rude and the twins just exclude u later on
its always the pretty ppl being the jerks smh
vault is mom!!
Strict moms don’t grind up the house cat and dog for dinner
Well if food is scarce, normal ones still won't
screw teth. i still hate her
Teth is good.... All elders are good but. But she was little depressed when we first met with her👀
I haven't seen any lore behind Ayin. Maybe it's buried in chat but I feel like I wanna know them better
depressed for her failure
Maybe not her
Which led to
H e r e s y
Maybe she was forced to work on powered diamonds?
If she's forced, who forced her or what was the motive?
She seems way to powerful to be forced to do anything other than what she wants.
I mean she didn't wanted but u know she can't deny the order of king
Or was it an ulterior motive?
She's in charge of forge and crafts. So she could be commisioned to
I guess so
how much autonomy do elders have honestly?
^^^
I forgot what that means
Yes but if I commissioned or ordered you to create a people grinder would you do it ?
But the big bird god hates H e r e s y
what's heresy
i mean all elders bowed in the vault cutscene so rhat says smth abour kings power
how much autonomy do elders have honestly?
If they answer all to the king, then maybe not much
The people grinder could be for the heretics
Like they are a cut below the royalty i think
heresy: belief contrary to orthodox doctrine
It says the stars fell. It doesn’t say they were pushed down
Like a rebel to a religion
Lol
lucifer.
H e r e s y
(wow cant believe i said it)
Well, in JP intro, it says they were drawn from the Sky
wait oz by that it means the narrator is the king
But CN intro says they chose to go down... sooo...
And they did something that wasn't allowed, presumably leading to their downfall
i was thinking that the narator might hav been one of the elders
Also, CN intro says "My Child", so the narrator must be The Light
idk
i mean cn only says the kingdom flourished and perished
Which is what many believe, was Teth's fault and the technological revolution
My Child could mean like a child of the God. Mega Bird was my first guess
We're Children of The Light, so if the narrator says "My Child", it must be The Light
That slandered and opposed the natural order of light creatures and such I think
I kinda brought that up earlier, but with the Prince
The other Child of The Light is the Prince and pretty much took on the punishments of the Elders so they could be saved
It hurts when I think about it
If there are 12 elders originally, then he failed to save the other 6, which might have made him sacrifice himself for the remaining 6
Things got very biblical
I mean, there's Eden-
Yah i guess so
Oh yea
I mean theres a big bird god up in the sky
Teth: “you wanted to see me, your highness?”
King: “Yessss... I need you to build me a cage.”
Teth: “a cage for what, m’lord?”
King: “.......for....uh...trees... yes trees.”
The trees are moving??
- Prolly Teth
The king that pauses mid sentence, I need that typ of dialougue
It would be more interesting to see than a stoic demeanor
Child of The Light/King could also be the Incarnation of The Light and is now... part of The Light
Meh, my brain is a mess when it comes to the Prince/King
that kind of speech is overrated to me. It's nice to see a slow talking king
I mean there's not much official lore to ground our speculations to them so I get ya
I can’t see a king yelling at her when she can lift that hammer the size of her torso and also has telekinesis
king gave her telekinesis
the king's like, "mmmmmyes"
(💕Beast wars mega tron ref)
I think the elders all have special powers of their own
Like how the WL elder is swole and at peak physical strength, able to jump and land to and from high places while wearing heels
the heels have power
yall ever think the mech suit impedes his speech
Or was that a South Park ref?
there’s a theory that the king is a mech suit for a tiny skid-sized prince
I always headcanon each one having some sort of ability
Like the power of heels
Tsadi: These boots are too big, not to mention the sabatons. The heels however
Originally, heels were for dude butcherers to avoid stepping on blood
Maybe Tsadi was a butcherer?
(Silly hc)

Isle being able to lead light creatures and spirits to The Light
Prarie can create life from light
Forest has telekinesis
Twins can... if we go with the old beta cutscene, they probably have a mix of abilities
Tsadi is strong
Lamed is... projections? Or knowledge itself
Prince is... candles.
And imitation, can imitate the abilities of the other Elders to some extent (in an inaccurate way-)
Probably also able to do... light beam thing we see at Eden to some extent.
ye sadly skykids imitate but kinda badly
Tsadi is likely to be the commando/head of their military
Maybe Twins represent the art of dueling and games in the coliseum?
Their competetive nature says so
My headcanon tho is that they weren't always so competative
(was the prince stronger than us? can he mimic voices perfectly while we are just weakened? gimme a tyrant prince who pretends to be someone’s aquintance to spy on them)

i mean, we don’t grow up, if we’re made in their image...maybe the prince couldn’t either
they are the child of light after all
I meant mentally-
wouldn’t make sense if they became an adult
that confirms it, the prince couldve never been an adult
Mentally matured
(there goes some of the fic ideas)
Not physically grow-
no
Maybe their technological prowess achieved physical immortality?
valley twins never mentally matured. the prince didnt either
Maybe just eternal youth
My headcanon tho is that they weren't always immature like that tho
Well, most of the time in the past
i refuse to believe the prince is of age
i hc that all the elders were made with set ages in mind, and they can’t mentally mature past that point
fits with the whole « elders are how people of that age [referencing realm = age thing] see adults »
Wait a sec...
hol up
and when you die
when you reach eden
you’re back to that little kid you were at the beginning of this journey
Then what does the Prince represent if they're kinda the Elder of Eden-
which is why i think the eden elder is a permanent child
hc that what partially made the prince competent as the king is his nature to copy. he can observe things and mirror them, which is how he can learn in a sense
Okay
I think they aren't carbon based lifeforms like us
Like how the prairie elder had his face broken as if it was a stone piece being able to be restored
So...
Whose bold plan was it to make some child the ruler of a Kingdom who can't mentally mature-

the elders aren’t big brain 
Their brain stayed the same tho
umm lmao
And as far as we know, only carbon based lifeforms would age, given how non organic life doesn't rot at all
in one of the concepts it was mentioned elders feel like they’re made of charcoal
So i guess its kinda true then
so a few days ago i was told 14 yr old kids can think for themselves to a certain degree and therefore rule a kingdom if they are raised right
they’re probably carbon based
Just because they're the Child of some deity of the Universe means they're immediately ruler material-
But not really organic like us humans
they can be raised to be a ruler
Did the Child even have training?!
Not really?
We dont know that???
Maybe ints instinct?
ive raised the same problem earlier lmao
If the children of light were made of charcoal/coal it would make sense why they can burn out
and got rebuffee
i was just explaining my headcanon, pale
Maybe they lived a thousand lifetimes serving the same purpose over and over again?
don’t spread it like it’s fact
Okay, this explains a lot.
This explains why Sky Kingdom was so messed up-
Okay, this explains a lot.
This explains why Sky Kingdom was so messed up-
Always has been
Lights candle
Moral lesson: Never make a child a ruler of an entire civilisation-
Isn't that like a common sense? An inexperienced ruler is an unfit one
What if the child was designed to be a ruler. Since nobody matures mentally/physically, then the child must already know the basics of being a ruler (coded into their mind). It's like making a machine that does the same thing, if it's already good then theres no need for modifications
Gosh, now my brain is making a lot of angst thoughts-
Big brain
Like the possibility of a child breaking down due to stress of RULING
The child must already be suitable for ruling or else it's just a child
maybe the stress is why they corrupted 

Now all those angst thoughts I had about the Prince are starting to make sense in my head
Its inevitable truly
They aren't fit to rule in the first place
They are supposed to take their time as current prince and as an heir to prepare for such a responsibility
A child who has existed for eons perhaps? Child of light (if they are the prince) must have had some heavy schooling on how to rule. Also maybe that’s why the elders were appointed to help the prince rule with good council...like how to grind up creature of light in a refinery
There's no way the child is allowed to contain stress. Whoever made the child must already know this risk. (this is my headcanon)
They were meant to guide and walk alongside the people
maybe the stress is why they corrupted
So they needed therapists instead of skids i guess
The prince, now king, might have become stressed and angry. Especially at the Elders who were basically « tiger moms » and constantly pushed him to exceed expectations to be a good ruler
I can only imagine the kind of mental anguish that could cause
The idea of it seems interesting...
I still see that the child was coded to be king from birth
Maybe those dark creatures were once sky ppl corrupted by the influence of the darkness
That's kinda sad 
been thinkin about at his dying breath he wishes that megabird would “make me a child again”
The Prince was never meant to be a ruler.
They were meant to be with the people and walk alongside them to be their guide. Not being the person who's on top that people praise for-
that makes sense, J, but let me pose to you
✨We Crave Angst✨

in this case megan is kinda merciful
been thinkin about at his dying breath he wishes that megabird would “make me a child again”
@sinful anvil The child never had a regular experience of being a child, since they were made to be a king instantly
But someone committed
H E R E S Y
i can imagine the prince just lies down in eden amongst all the mess and like, curl up or something, wishing theyre a child
As in coded to be a king
It's kinda messed up that your whole life was made for one purpose
Not permitted to be anything else
or you all can be ... pitying for a liar
The Prince was never meant to be a ruler.
They were meant to walk alongside the people.
Not being the person who's on top that people praise for-
That's kinda an idea that seems interesting to me
But if the child acts like his people, who'll be suited as king?
That’s what a good king does Butter
it’s arguable if the king was good at what they did
True, but the way the Prince became King, its almost like he got herald as the top leader instead of being alongside them
maybe the premise was him not being a good one
Idk, just a thought...
I mean, its a child. And us sky kids are really social
I mean, really social
My friend came up with this. What if all the skids were failed attempts of the child king? But the skids are allowed to be free and all that. The reason why there were so many skids now is because they were awoken/called back by mega bird to ascend. That's why we have so many sky kids, they were prototypes of the child king.
Ooh, interesting..
Maybe that’s the fall to darkness. The elders used the child of light / prince king as the fall guy for their wicked intentions
I think that kinda sounds weird but interesting
and maybe why they sacrifice themselves to save those statues, since they were a failed attempt and thus expendable, but megabird was kind enough to let them live again,
maybe the king did the same thing as the pale king except he split his soul little by little
It makes sense tho, nobody ages. If the ancestors want kids then they can just have the sky kids. Sky kids stay as kids because of what my friend said, they were supposed to be children, but flawed/ dont meet expectations.
Maybe that’s the fall to darkness. The elders used the child of light / prince king as the fall guy for their wicked intentions
oh boy child abuse
Sooo i- the 1st 2 ss and the last 2 ss. Are the screenshots of the close up-....uh is this helpfull tho- I was curious what the temple top looks in close up- that the king?-
Perhaps the Prince was meant to be a leader, but the kind of leader they became was not the kind of leader they're meant to become
yep
so anakin?
I think my friend kinda referenced hollow knight lore. But with a happy ending for the sky kids
those are king statues, @junior robin
“You were the chosen one! You’re supposed to be the balance, not destroy them!”
hey obi wan’s quote applies to him too

They're meant to be a leader whose equal with the people rather than someone who's on the top and is praised like some idol
That's hard to code, so theres gonna be a lot of failed attempts
What if it was just that though- like he could just be a puppet leader or smthn
I think thats the true purpose of the King, maybe
"You could not live with your own failure, and where did that bring you? Back to me."
Since skids are also very social
Social with ancestors. Prince could've been the same
Since Prince looks exactly like an skid but with a star mask
I'm just picturing this guy running around the kingdom staring at the Ancestors until they emoted
skids are crusaders against the darkness
burning everything in their path
....to earn candles
Arsonists-
the prince is a copier... thats how he became king
BuRn In HOlY FirE
Well the world before the skids was covered in darkness and vile so why not?
Just like the sky kids!
It all makes sense now
We're failed clones of the prince,the ones that don't meet expectations. But we are free to live free and not becoming castaways. That's pretty nice for the sky kids
But everything changed when the sky kids attacked.
Thank God they didn't have an abyss to yeet us into amirite-
Hollow knight but the children live
I mean after you die, you go into an abyss like place
the Birthplace
We weren't immediately chucked into it though
then you hug a shiny boi, then fly your way out of there
the eden diamond can be our birthplace
I guess so
Just hardwired to yeet into it because we're suicidal moths-
heres a fascinating thing: vessels are hardwired to climb upward, while skykids also climb upward in a way but kinda descend
Welcome to Sky Kid corp. Where you die in a weekly basis but ressurected again. The weekly salary are a couple of ascended candles and as an extra bonus, wing buffs!
Hi Mei
Happy corpse burning moth children
then we save the world and it's deceased occupants by burning the world from darkness
Nothing is too sacred just burn everything
because the mighty and holy big bird god demands it
Answer the call of Megan-
Our equipment cosists of HolY FIrE to burn the heretics
destroy the infidels that slander the name of the mighty big bird god
burning for the bird god

“Hey Elders, it’s me. ya boi”
did y'all bring back the whole megan youtuber thing again
Guys isn't this supposed to be... lore. XD
we noticed 
I can see that tbh
Screaming about holy bird god and Sky Kid corporations

Sky kids being angels is somewhere in the realm of symbolism since we are sent by the light to bring back our lost stars home
or the holy bird god sent us
What is ur interpretation of that exactly
Bringing home the lost stars
What does that mean to you
Nope
It’s inside the huge mountain
On top of the mountain is eden
Not necessarily no
Ye
The Sky ppl once being a part of the stars/part of megabird but strayed away to start their own life
But fell into darkness and ruin due to their arrogance or ignorance about using the light
and still once part of the stars or her, we are sent to retrieve and save them from their mistakes or limbo
something like that
Sort of at the end of wasteland is the bottom of the mountain, u get on top of the mountain by ascending vault
After vault u reach the top sort of, and then everything after that is eden
depends
Pins
There’s a height chart
Also faux....that’s an interesting view
Have u ever read the intro faux?
there's a chart I believe
U kno, the beginning cutscene one
and what we used to measure is just a lamp hehe
Have u ever read the intro faux?
yes I did, but I don't remember every single part of it
Okay
oh you mean irl sky kid heights? there's no canon height but someone has a height chart using tgc's bafta award and office equipment so i can link it
I gtg
Well there’s base canon but they don’t want that to limit people’s theories
So most of the lore is jus for us to make up basically
They added bases like I said, but they didn’t want to limit anyone
Their main goal is for the gameplay experience and friend fun time, rather than a really cool story
If u want that I highly suggest journey
Amazing game 👌🏼
Well I could over load u with my theories BUT
It seems u jus want straight forward answers, I don’t have all the links so I suggest spending a few days looking at all the pins 👉
And yes I said a few days bc it takes a while
And not all of it is related to “canon” lore but read it anyway
It helps build theories and understanding
Now let me adopt you 
This is the height chart thing but legit i still dunno how to use it @Moff
Sky kids are short
same like my friends
we’re between 2’3 and 3’11 iirc
We're pretty big
not really

68.6 cm to 119.4 cm
not very tall if you ask me, that’s a range of height of 2–7 year olds
i imagine it as a fusion of rebirths and seasons
i found like a comic someone made
where when a sky kid's corrupted, they would start to break and show either corruption plants or the red crystals
i think that's an interesting concept ngl
that’s an aspect from the concepts i believe
but in the comic it showed that the kid was turning into some krill

I think i know which artist ur talking about 
I mean... are ya talkin about that sky fan video-
Or maybe not

The one by Starmybunny
Soleil and Dynasty
They got almost the same corrupted concept
I dont watch sky fan/lore videos. Just art and #lore-discussion-spoilers 
Lmaoo okie
Hey everyone im new here so i dont really know whats going on could someone just tell me the basics and existing canon?
theres not much for existing canon cause its really vauge but you can see pinned messages for canon
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I mean... are ya talkin about that sky fan video-
@bitter shale no not that
there was this comic where it showed one sky kid who had a corrupted soul
and he keeps turning into a krill and a part of him starts to break
like his body parts
i enjoy that kind of concept tbh
Imagine MatPat doing a video on Sky 
yo I'd click on it so fast
imagiene all the new lore moffs
About time he stops talking about a bankrupt pizza chain.
The flood of new moffs- period-
the flood of moffs
dude I scrolled up our moffs are gremlins oml
that sounds a little rude, don’t you think ?

When it comes to hight can we not use the office for reference?
Lol fair point
skids relative to office is their « legit » heights
no
hi lore chat what are we up to today
ALEF
What aboutem
everytime anyone talk about alef all I can thing about is أ
alef is literally first letter in arabic alphabet
we are not immune to propaganda.


It is also the first letter in the Hebrew alphabet.
Yes bc they are from the same root
My family, too, is not immune to the propaganda
is there anyone even immune to the propaganda..
I found the chart I keep mentioning
A thing got me thinking. Are alive spirits extinct? As the ones we meet ingame are all in their spirit (dead) form
Was there might be an apocalypse that made them extinct? And skykids are living to relive the post-apocalyptic realms
Yes, the spirits were once called ancestors, they all died.
Their extinction might be linked to the destruction of eden and the kingdom.
Some notable theories about the kingdom's downfall suggest that the diamond was directly or indirectly responsible for their extinction
So are elders cursed
I don't know a thing about eden/kingdom destruction, might look up for more
If you count as being "locked outside of time and space and isn't dead nor alive" a curse, yes 
also i noticed smth
Yknow how spirits are blue right? (so their technically cursed) once we give them the ac i think it cures them or smth since they turn yellow 
the more accurate term is indifferent but yeah, spirits and elders are indifferent.
Skykids are half indifferent.
Hi I'm back to terrorise you all with my sky theories
Oof sorry, not that good with english

Blue represents loss or death while Yellow represents life
Also what are winged lights actually? When we started the game at the first time, it tells us "Wake up, my child. Bring the lost stars home." Was they some kind of spirit (?) that needs to bring back to their statues (bodies?) at eden?
I think that was lamed who was saying that
Blue is also the color of light when its energy is used for something-
in a dev stream they said winged light was "imprints of the child of light"
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some theorise they're memories of the prince.
Also i wonder how the winged light's statues covered with darkness are all accumulated in eden, not other realms
Ooh thank you for the docs!!
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Idk where those children in Eden came from
Was there might be an apocalypse that made them extinct? And skykids are living to relive the post-apocalyptic realms
@tawny summit Also, this is a chart made out of my personal headcanon and other people's theories.
that ain't canon ^
It’s the statues in Eden that really doesn’t fit almost anywhere in my headcanons-
Or theories I mean
in my headcanon, a war led to the destruction of the kingdom.
I think that was lamed who was saying that
@inner comet Why's it Lamed?
Like hows Lamed talking if he is dead
/lamed's the vault...? elder???
Yea
O
/deadnt
So,, there's a possibility to skykids to not reincarnate properly
Basically like zombies
maybe.
Btw thanku for the chart this is interesting
/yes there's always a possibility for everything kumo
Your welcome kumolime
with the current canon lore, almost everything is possible
Btw what is megabird?
God

sky god
/megan
Megan
Ooh ok
/jinx lol
Wasnt that mentioned in the moff doc...?
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@hushed steeple that's a manta
I havent read it all lmao
/we should call it mood doc
Might come back after i finished it!
As seen that's Megan's Spaghetti she eats in orbit
/you do know by looking up you can also see her right?
Also, end credits
/ ah sorry
I think she's that flame eight there
Oh yea she resembles the cape too
/that's the go to pic tho
That's her wig 
i swear that's a mop 
/there's plenty of drawings of megan we dont use as much
Res 
/ so pretty 
I think the flame at the end of credits is Megan
Just something i realised til now, is that light creatures have bones but darkness creatures probably dont? Im assuming skids dont have bones because their physical bodies are made entirely of darkness and they dont take fall damage? Im not sure about krills, but they are certainly very flexible creatures, and shrimps dont even have bones. While at graveyard, theres huge bones ontop of stones that was once belonged to a dead whalerip. I think this isnt really important but its an odd detail that randomly popped inside my mind outta nowhere
Nah, it’s the big birb constellation at the end. The candle after that is our candle and our flame/inner light
yeah, we haven't seen much dark creature skeletons
It's dead turtles
the graveyard skeleton looks like a turtle's
or whurtle.
still unsure whether it's a light or dark creature

what theres actually turtles in game?
You literally gave it a name? 
dark creatures however have exoskeletons, if you look closely at a krill their underbelly is soft
no, blue gave it a name.
the skulls in graveyard are of turtles
but the bodies are of whales
hence whurtles
Came back after reading the doc
/ i mean it would be very uncomfortable if you're eating crabs and there's full of bones
Yea before the corruption era accured
oh i see, and i suppose dark creatures are heavily inspired from sea animals
There used to be turtles in early beta? But they had to remove it
I think
I’m not sure
i think beta stuff arent canon anymore
yes there was a turtle in pre-global from a quest but it was pretty much pointless so it went poof
that's what i remember anyway
Well what type of creature has a turtle head other than a turtle ._.
imagine riding a turtle tho 😳
Flying turtle brr
Whale? Has an interesting skull... Same with Elder Mantas
i doubt we've seen the graveyard creatures when they were alive in game yet, i'm guessing they fused the turtle and whale together and we could see them in the future
Whales and elder mantas are the same

they're very different lol
/nope
OH
Whale is a big fish whale the elder Manta is a adult Manta
elder mantas are as the name suggest, elder mantas
elder mantas are thespider looking ones
/whale is tuna king and elder manta are chonky mantas
they both have the 'elder' mask. they are similar in being 'elders' of their species (that's what i think)
/one has yellow and one does not
Exact same with krills
/wdym? the mask??
Btw it seems the elder manta wearing a helmet
There used to be elder krills during the downfall/corruption era who knows what happened to them only evidence we have are the bones
Which one is the elder manta?
also iirc theres alot of circle looking buildings in the concept arts and the megabird kinda looks like a circle so maybe both are possibly related
:0
/long tail vs short tail
That is, a manta?
Ya
I thought that's a whole different species
/long tail vs short tail
@gilded fossil No ots obese vs on a diet
I've been calling it whale the whole time
Ooh understood
arent whales and mantas the same species?
/maybe??? but in game whale has no yellow
/elders trademarrk
diamonds have many different meanings and uses in sky 

@hushed steeple Symbolic of Ancestors
/did the elders copy the mantas??
Seems like powered diamond tbh
Then what are skids ancestors hwta?\
/or the mantas are kidnapped by the elders??
Seems like powered diamond tbh
@hushed steeple Exactly
what if those manta diamonds are actually the power diamonds? 
Oh yeah
I forgot abt the whole prairie and forest exchange thing
i think those diamonds are naturally occurring
They probs grow it back after ppl harvest their diamond
the natural "diamonds" from mantas might have been the core of power diamonds
Like if you skin sheep for their wool
So the core of being
that descendants also have
/or, alternatively, kill the manta, gget the diamond, use the leather to make capes
NO
/ we waste nothing from the manta farms
Then where did the bodies came from
But what if those aren't natural?
/ grind the mantas
the manta cape is confirmed not to be made of an actual manta the capes are family friendly
Wearing the cape makes me uncomfortable sometimes xjdjocnrifjrkfbckbdkdjcjjc
DAS JUST CRUEL
light creatures are confirmed to be naturally occurring
What about krill?
Hold on, MANTA CAPe??
darkness creatures,, we don't know
I wonder how many times I’ve mentioned the war machine belief
no, the manta cape wasn't made out of an actual manta don't worry
Then where did the bodies came from
@late sigil Well the creatures of light are literally made out of liht think of it like a star the star used to be hydrogen and helium atoms that bonded together to make something
I’ve mentioned it about 10 times
Hold on, MANTA CAPe??
@late sigil /yes manta cape
Well what skykids wear those capes are made of light
But what our ancestors wear idk about that
/they be made out of gatorade
jesus not this again
Our ancestors were not that good tho👀
Jen stop making us fight over who's right and who's wrong

it's never a normal day in lore chat without jen theorising that skids are made out of gatorade
And goober simultaneously bullying me >:0
:0
okay don't spam
Ok
mio maybe #screenshots-and-videos 
yes Oopsy
you broke
i broke
anyway back to lore frens 
That's quite creepy
/so why are the crabs in sanc so white and hostile??
possibilities
- lighting
- lack of icky wasteland water
- maybe ask ginko
res
Wh-
where's your opening song transcript again?
i didn't do the transcript-
who did
Ginko is listening beware 
/ i summon gink
hand me the transcript
opening song as in the one from launch/pre-global?
no, the song in isle
What transcript
ah the full song by aurora? let me find it
Back to lore guys
that isle music i hear 
gimme transcript too
/is that a conlang she singing or pure gibberish?
/is that a conlang she singing or pure gibberish?
@gilded fossil sky language
there is confirmed to be a skyskrit
THIS IS BEAUTIFUL
After having spent many hours on this, I’ve finally come up with my own interpretation of “Constellation”, the song that plays during the credits and partially during the opening sequence.
Here I will provide the original vocals written in our own alphabet, followed by an English interpretation (that isn’t a direct translation, but very close):
Original:
”Mên lo-oh di in-oh —
F’orl dâph a l’æ,
ni sou rev maôn hâriet,
laô Sou Rân.
Nae-oh lae-oh t’ed gân
f’orl dâph mên,
ni ko l’oh, liv ko l’oh,
Sou Rân.”
Translation:
”Soon you will be reborn –
To live again is your gift,
because life is full of many hardships,
little Child of Light.
Worry not; you have the chance
to live again, soon,
because the cycle never ends,
and the cycle never ends,
Child of Light."
(Reminder that this is my OWN interpretation of a made-up language, and could be completely different from what it actually means. It’s all just theory.)
uh
/no cold ping
all of us rn
oh no
OH NO.
/sealier maybe remove the ping?
just leave it there but just remember to remove the ping next time

oh hello noot

I forgot about it I messed up aaaaa
ONE OF US
Hi hi,
It rare for me to actually talk here lol,
I usually just read this chat before bed
sweet dreams of lore
Hi hi,
It rare for me to actually talk here lol,
I usually just read this chat before bed
@solar patio ONE OF US ONE OF US ONE OF US
maybe you'll find something
i like how a lot of people read the lore chat like it's a newspaper in the morning or at night

I played the song in backward,also checked the spectrogram of the song
Nothing really interesting found
But the backward version was creepy
Do share
ooohhh?
/ have you tried backward and then do the spectogram upsidedown
No
just a shot in the dark but i was thinking that some of the symbols that we see like on the bells and in the vault mural make up the lyrics of the song
can different parts of the spectogram be pieced together?
/ lore chat being desperate for answers^
that can happen,but words everywhere is tiring
mess withthe song until we get answers 
WE DON'T NEED SLEEP WE NEED ANSWERS
/gatorade
lore
Ginko to solve all of this
just a shot in the dark but i was thinking that some of the symbols that we see like on the bells and in the vault mural make up the lyrics of the song
@solar relic maybe if we can know where the lyrics are from, as in from what text, we can decipher it
Sadly we don't know
now if only we'd be able to decipher skyskrit in the future 😌
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Devs we only need one stroke of translated text pls
👀
there is no hidden meaning in the moff doc
Also what if the song is just gibberish and the writings amd stuff were skribbles

maybe if we asked enough then devs will give us a clue
No
i would cry if that were the case but it is confirmed that there is a conlang
vincent diamante did it
Ginko
wait what
/wait which tweeet??
source pls
Ginko is the only person we have who has a big brain
it was in the ost thread let me get it
We need Ginko
Ginko is the only person we have who has a big brain
@hushed steeple you underestimate our power
Ok
But where even is Ginko
stick together
who's ginko?
We all use our braincells together 
but like
Ginkomimi
Amio is correct
This is lore chat
The place where everyone argues
Anyway gtg
Bye all
/unless someone gets in and ask about why the lore is so vague
NOOOOOO OUR SECOND BIG BRAIN
I heard a story about archeologists suggesting a hole on the roof of some houses in a region and they thought it was for godly ceremonies
Turns out when they ask the locals they said it was for chickens
/then we all agree that lore is very vague
lesson here is we might have looked too deep into this cluelessly
Meanwhile im just here 
wayyyy too vague
Guys before we move into speculations and dive deep into the story line
We need to move on to the facts not the speculation
ah sorry my mistake, some of his conlang work was used as inspiration woops. but this confirms that there is a conlang for the song
but let's try to find out anyways because the local here don't even speak
so the conlang is related to emotes in a way.

In some emotes, a song gets played when you use it.
What does that mean
what if the conlang IS the song
AND THE SONG IS IN CONLANG
Goober what have you done
:O
you absolute genius
oof
I think mines dead too
/goober recharge it
your braincells will be remembered
/we will need it again
ok everyone we gonna latch on that theory until it deems useless
Wut abt my braincells? :<
what's happening
Goober's braincell is one but a big one
/eeeeeeeeeey
Hey, I noticed something y’all
YESS
HI
I HEARD ABOUT YOUR BRAINCELLS
GINKO SAVE US
The sleeves
/watsit butter
It has triangles on them
Ok but what abt my braincells guys?



