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is this #sky-fanart-sketches-and-art-chat?
Ok ok guys behave or the mods get here
Lore 
oh u want lor
careful what u wish for
They might already here

And put us in slowmode
Whoops-
/is the dude giving or taking the blue dots
Hes dying

i thought of it as dlue site bending lol
/is the dude giving or taking the blue dots
@gilded fossil according to tomcepts timeline, the dude is being given the dots by the megabird.
It is not told if he gave it to something/someone else
Ok ok fr now anyone know anything abt the black birds in Prarie?
I'd link but I'm onnmobile
/hmm, on hiss side the creatures fall down with out the dots tho
@hushed steeple visual bug
Rlly?
it always gives me a sense of gift
Yeah
Ok but i have a question
For lore ofc
like the person on the illustration is giving/sharing this blue dot, probably a source of power, to other organisms
Why is office even in vault? Like did the elders know?
office is just an easter egg
Ohhh ok
...or is it?
/hmm office iss fourth wall territory
Office is an easter egg.

^
Some gigantic place with weird machinery just hangs at the back of the heart of all knowledge and it's hilarious
/iss the pic being a cycle? megan gives dot, dot falls goes back into megan>
PFFT
The mural around the portal however is probably not lore
doesn't give me the circle of life vibes but i can see the idea being implemented there
/ aaaaaaaah zabenya
it makes me think you have to leave megan to go tot he human world idk or smtg close to that
The caption given by tom zhao in the timeline to that image is "megabird grants flame to prince"
No its like "Megan gives power creatures haine power they gib back ze power to Megan cuz they feel bad" or smth
Megan: you had one job
I'm trying to simplify it in a funny way
OH
Anyways wut abt the patterns in in the water
Around office
what if the greed of power ties in with the civilization no longer sharing power to the other organisms/species?
Office is not lore
I- I'm talking abt the patterns around the portal
We're still unsure about the mural around the portal
like im just speaking about the image only at this point and how it ties to probably the creation of dark creatures like krill
Ok
Ahh so krills got angry at elders
Krills hate elder
Krills turn dark
and we start seeing crabs around areas where they have begun to store power for themselves including forest
Krills go yeet some sky kids
sanctuary doesn't count since it bent some rules for the season
Huh?
yuh
The crabs in sanc are docile, except for the ones in the cave
it's a stretch though, my tiny train of thought that is
I like the crabs in office and archipelago
They don't attack ^^
Wait there are DOCILE crabs in Sanc-
ok so lore moth thought:
you know how creatures of darkness attack light creatures eg: manta at first area, us etc
usually it would make sense for darkness to stay away from light
that's why it makes me think the creatures of darkness we see are trained to hunt light down ..like conditional reflexs ,, ??
Wait there are DOCILE crabs in Sanc-
@queen locust in the archipelago
/ i thought so too
my thoughts as well lily, good eye!
Who'd have the incentive to train them against light creatures tho-
dunno
/maybe they eat those light creatures
We all know
their behavior is just so... Not the way it's supposed to be
/we similar to those light creatures so krills attack us mistaken for food
like them circling around, I feel like it's ot just mechanics
They stay circling around in certain areas for a reason
Light seemingly allows things to fly, and the krill takes our light ( not to confuse with WINGED light )
They probably hunt light creatures to maintain flight

doesn't explain crabs tho
They have pretty weak looking legs so i guess they're not fit for life on land
Crabs probably attack in self defense
Territorial creatures
/like in the ark caves murals
Flying crab
doesn't explain crabs tho
@wide night Well crabs actually attack winged light if you lose it
/wdym attack wl
what I'm saying is it feels like they attack you for the sake of it...it doesn't make sense for darkness to want light? but yet again you can say darkness needs light to exist
Attacking something doesnt necessarily mean they hate it 
/ b-baka
yeah I didn't mean they hate us

Well the dark creatured probs don't know abt anything like that
The civilization probs hated them for being dark or smth like that
Amd hunted them
Losing winged light might be a side effect of losing your light rapidly
Just like irl
I'm just saying krills give off trained military dogs vibe
/well, meow, have you checked the ark cave murals?
winged light ISNT light
? No
light and winged light behave differently.
I was talking to Jen lol
/okay so i dont have pics but the ancestors drained the water, crabs living water, crabs dont like their water taken, crabs attack
That doesn't take my ability to talk on my own doesnt it? 

aight break it up-
jen can you send pics?
Me no like you >:0
I never stopped to see murals there so sad
/in class cant find sorry
She just said she doesn't have
:O
Oh ok
i lov u

gib hug am sori
Seems like the crab didnt like when we carry wls
Like, imagine a pot filled with water. That is skids, and crabs are hammer
WHY IT WONT SEND
I HATE THSI WIFI AAA

HUG.HUG.HUG.

But there's a compilation of the ark murals somewhere
Those are the lights, not the murals 
/yea
Aw
To sum up the ark murals, it's basically
" Me and the boys disturbing local wildlife "
AHAHAHAAH

The crabs seem to be territorial creatures in the ark mural
They start attacking when the ancestors came and took their water
/thanks gink
/someone really took the sanc cave crab's water
/wait a sec... is the ark mural refering to the sanc cave?
no one knows
mmmm whatcha saaay
/ark dont have a lot of mantas
MMM THAT YOU ONLY MEANT WELL
/yet this mural is filled with mantas
they have crabs instead
So what do the murals mean?
oh my first impression would have been "oh the crabs lived in the water, this is how the ancestors discovered it (while destroying wildlife)" instead of "crabs are andgry because we took their water" but that makes more sense
Andgry
wouldn't that mean dark creatures like toxic water?
bc they do be living there?
Then- what would the ancestors be doing with toxic water
the people took the toxic water and made it normal using their magic
there are corrupt crabs in clean water in sanctuary
hello lilly
wait no
Hehehe
my forgotten ark crab theory https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/756922684281192629
the crabs and krills that we see now appear to be corrupted (they have the dust on them)
Now that you mention that there's a disturbing lack of clean water along the realms
krill juice
all realms have cleen water with exception of Eden
wasteland have the clean water in ark
And WL
there is clean water in very small areas
/yall is that why sanc crabs are more angry when you deep call? they're uncorrupted
the water in ark wasn't clean
a small pound of water, but yeah, the majority is sludge
Key word there is small-
should i study or keep lurking-

i should study too I have a midterm tmrw
isle, praire, forest, valley clean waters. gw / eden sludge

please go study midterms suck
mien is more like medical case exam but eh-
HEU DONT JUDG E lore is more fun
agreed with lily 
all the more reason to go flos.
Dame da ne
who cares about real history when I can care about fictional history
yes back to lore
Just study and you can stay up consuming lore afterwards
will do
Beat fhe exams into submission first
also have you guys thinkin about these jars in ark
like, are they different from the one on vault
They store blessings
what do u think?
hey yeah that does bring up stuff about the Travelling Spirits- did ya'll already discuss where they came from
they came from the past
No
to stole our candles
It ain't stealing if we're harrassing every TS that has pants
traveling spirits are really lore lore related. they're just old seasonal spirits that come back for us to buy their cosmetics
/yes ded ppl's clothes
With h e a r ts
PFFT
Are all the mantas in the vault dead-😶
Cause...they don't have bones and they are transparent-
Are they like spirits of the mantas in the vault-
I realize now-
😶

Might be dead but I have these pants in stock
Steal their face too
we snatching dead people clothes
Steal the ts face
anyway
steal everything
steal ther s c a l p
even their soul
back to lore
oho wassup grill
STEAL THEIR PANTS
I always just thought they were dead
S n a t c h
I realize that now-
Because of how they're referred to in-game at least-
They are dead
deads pft yeah dead


lore where 
i believe the
we see in vault arent dead but are actually projections
!ts
The next Traveling Spirit is scheduled to arrive on October 1 at 00:00 Pacific Time (UTC -7:00)
You can read how Traveling Spirits work here: http://bit.ly/TravelingSpirits
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@hushed steeple not in #lore-discussion-spoilers
this isn't the channel for ts command
Ok
I had to check the date I've lost perception of time
I wish there was a general chat room in the sky server
there is, #general-sky-discussion
This is kind of less of a theory and more of an observation but has anyone discussed the appearance of Orbit yet
It reminds me of the Empyrean-
It's tue afterlife
The*
And as we discussed before it is the soul of Megan (possibly)
about the ark jars, i believe they're there since my theory is that enchant ppl used to be vault scholars who went to sell their things to other kingdoms. welp thats the shortcut version of my theory 
Guys stop all the lore I can't friend and share my theories with you all 
Ok but you can continue lore
But you have to sell your notifications to me :)
Easy for you to say I probably have to scroll back so f a r I just joined today XD
oh welcome
We've been talking since like 1-2 hours ago hehe
have y’all read the lore moff doc ?
Yep
yesh some did already.
Oh yes- I did a while back
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finally
i have them all
Stickerhestt stickershy
/ anyways
indeed
happens when u copy it instead of editing
/is orbit sth the ancestors made or megan made?
good question since we see a man-made gate
Ancestors
maybe post-ascension anscestors? 
didnt need to know that but ok
cough

poor bricky 😂
im definitely not lurking please continue
FLOS GO STUDY OMG
im doing it-
/flos do be studying
study before i bring teth's hammer 
Bricky!!
Lost light
It means missing stars !!!!
Morning noon night to all
My daughter was playing the game and she said in passing “Could you imagine if we lost all that light?” And I said “What?” And she said “Dad...the stars went missing.”
Gtg peace
Don’t forget to wash your hands
Lost light is a metaphor for missing stars
Lost stars
/well i remember in very old beta the winged light was the bird statue but with the stars
Do you have any images of what it looked like ?
/nuh uh, couldnt find it really, lemme look reaaaal hard in the old beta yt vids
there are some beta stuff in the pins i think
small semi-crackpot theory (after rewatching teth's cutscene). It looks like she's really sad and it looks like her hand hurts. what if someone broke that diamond and she was unable to repair it until we arrived with the flame? for oz that someone will probs be daleth lmao
and with that ill ttyl
Im trying to think about what Ash said about the King being in-game, but not in the same way as Elders and Spirits
I think my brain cells just got tangled up trying to think about it
coughs shiny eden lad
That's the thing
If that is the Prince, it doesn't line up with what Ash said
That they're not there in the same way as Elders and Spirits
I think I know what you're talking about
The way Ash said it seems like they're there, but at the same time, not there. Like omnipresence...
WLs 
Exactly
Thats the only way I could think of somehow
The kid we meet in Eden can't exactly be the Prince. Cause it would not line up with what Ash said about the King
Maybe some culmination of their memory
I'm not exactly sure if what Ash said would also debunk what Ash said
I mean
Darn
I need more brain cells
my thoughts:
- Prince is Eden Elder in the mural
- King is WLs and shiny lad at the end of eden
- we are made in the King’s image
it’ll all make sense when prophecy arrives
I mean, I'm not sure if what Ash said would also debunk the theory of us being the same person as the King-
Cause that would mean the King would be present similarly to the Elders and Spirits
Though, in both of those ways, the Elders and Spirits are kinda... dead?
While we're alive?
elders are deadnt
So it could also mean Ash is saying that the King could still be alive?
also all three beings including us have some sort of connection to each other, that’s how i see it

Or we could also be the Prince, but since our skid don't remember being the Prince, we're technically not the Prince anymore?
But if the king was us, that would be here in a very different way than the elders
Closer but also farther
maybe the prince’s soul got, for lack of a better term, eaten by megabird like in the concepts, and we just have the same soul but no memories
Also, someone brought up the possibility of the King being some incarnation of The Light, so... the King's part of The Light now?
it’ll all make sense when prophecy arrives
/bricky dont tempt me the seasons starts while im in mid terms
But the idea of us being exactly the King also may not correspond with what one of the devs said that we're meant to be a new generation
So uhhh
oh i have a big prophecy theory thats still in the works, it literally made all of all my old theories kaput 
Bricky, you're tempting me to talk about it-

/well, maybe new gen but with 25% being king's dna

The king might be still alive, but we cant save him anymore
Maybe
Also im taking a break from studying for a while-
That line tho may mean a lot of things
It could even mean there's no Elder for Eden, or that they're there, just not to be necessarily saved
/maybe they refuse to be save?
well we know there’s an eden elder
they’re just « not around to be saved anymore »
hm
anymore
what does that mean ?
anymore...
Maybe, just maybe, what if eden elder actually fuse and become the part of eden? 
/ okay 2 things about that line
- not around
- anymore
cant be saved anymore
Hmmmmm
Could be referring to concepts tho-
/is it not around anymore or cant be saved anymore
Thats also possible
/idk man english is weird
maybe there was a point when they could be saved
in the game’s timeline, at least
« isn’t around to be saved anymore »
/argh what a vague sentence
Yep
Its either he cant be saved or he didnt want ro be saved, choose one-
/like those things u add in an essay to adđ the word count
Bye butter

/so for cant be saved anymore: either by choice or not by choice
/and isnt around anymore: maybe he wanted to be save but now he isnt around or, he is around but cant be save
/ i have poetry class this feels like that one time we butchered the word "The" to figure out what the poet was "trying" to say
Oh yeah language class do be like that-
/oz no i want discussion
What if The child of light guides each king. Like an advisor...a whisper from Megan....And each elder is a king/queen of their age on sky kingdom.
The coL is always there
And in each mural the elders seam to lead the people
What if they are all kings/queens and the 7th (or eighth) done mucked up
Trapping the coL
We know the elders didn’t all land on sky at the same time
/wait how do we know that
How could Wasteland elder be there with pipes and industry level tech at the same time as prairie elder with regular boats and wands that pick up bird poop/light
?
And why would the war not affect any other land ?
They must have come at different ages/times
Daleth first.
Teaching the old ways of the holy land reincarnation
Then Prairie elder next. Advancing the tech to draw light from Creatures of light harmlessly at first.
Then Teth, bringing that good ol’ dark stone to the surface and forcing animal cages and refineries
Then Tsadi upgrading weapons of mass destruction and fortifications and industrialization
Then vault realizing they destroyed themselves a bit, tried to store knowledge in the hopes that a new generation wouldn’t repeat their mistakes
Then Eden elder who’s said
“Screw it, dark stone on holy land it’s our only and last resort for powe——BOOOOOM!!”
/wait why would the daleth fell first?
I obliviously forgot valley twins but you can mentally put them in their
/it could have easily been teth first
I personally don’t thing he “fell” so much as he “failed”
Failed to truly lead his people to continue the old ways
His face was broken
He was either forgotten or put out of commission
Which is why in Eden he’s not remembered on the doorway
OMG !!! What if the statement “the elder of Eden is no longer around to be saved” is because WE are it!!!!!!!!!!
We replace it
Sky kids
Okay think of it this way
Who’s on the Eden constellation?
Your friends
Who’s not on it ?
You
Who’s on the other constellations ?
/so eden ultimate gift is moth hair?
The lost light the ancestors the butterfly catchers and back flippers
Who’s not on those conclstwllations
The elders
Sadly yeah, brown cape and moth hair
Eden elder not around to be saved because we (the reincarnation of that elder) can’t be saved...we have to sacrifice
/wait where's the question mark on your prarie constellation
Those might be the other star children. At the bottom. “The fallen”
That’s a stock photo
/anyways, have to sneep bye!
We messed it up.....
The vault elder logged how she and the previous elders failed and said “hey, I believe the children are our future. Teach them well and let them lead the way.”
Wait hold up we’re elders?!
And our first incarnations were like.... “diamond on the holy land!!!!” And we blew everything up. Now eons later Megan is like... “ready to try this again?”
Well... not really
A reincarnation of an elder
Does anyone have theories about the swallow statue in the citadel
Ooooooh the bird
Lately I’ve been bowing to it since it seems important
It would be revived (after you finished everything) and fly away
Yeah makes the same sound
Like a snow man....but a snow bird
I have a theory on how it plays into the live game
Do you ?
Not really
I always felt like it’s important
Like it’s a guard or some kind of religious thing (not irl religion but represents whatever sky folks believe in)
So in Tomcepts (concept art compiled by Tom Zhoa at Tomzhao.com) they had rough drafts of the story including the history of valley. And in that rough draft valley was created in honor of the king’s victories over the animals of the world.
It could, in theory, represent the ancestors dominance over nature.
Not much of the architecture seems to serve much of a purpose other than to show off
Brb
Okay. Back
About “showing off” that’s exactly what valley is !!
Valley of triumph !!
Think the Roman coliseum
Gluttony
Luxury
Excess
Gold plated everything’s
Games and entertainment
Society at its height of self indulgence
(The spiny things are called Armadillos or something like that. Scientific tools to map distances and astronomy things)
Have you ever seen Dark Crystal?
Aughra has one...
Not as pretty as Valley’s
There are 4 of them at the time, 4 golden armadillos in Valley
And at that time there would have only been 4 civilizations as well. Isle of dawn, Daylight prairie, hidden Forest, and Valley of triumph

On a side note it makes sense that we are the reincarnation of the failed last generation of ancestors who were destroyed at Eden. We share their constellation. We are making up for their sins. The original sinner (one eating the apple in the mural) was the original child of light and that’s why we find him/her in the huge diamond at Eden. They give up their life/light so that we might make it to carry/Shepard the other souls/light back to the mega bird
That’s why they’re not around to be saved. Only their remorse, their child like essence remains trapped in darkness
And that is spent or used up so we can fly to orbit
I’ve also been wondering about the golden spinny thing
@hoary violet it’s an armillary sphere!!
The scholars used this to study the sky in their time.
(The spiny things are called Armadillos or something like that. Scientific tools to map distances and astronomy things)
@compact olive ARMADILLOS-
Now I want one lol
NO NOT ARMADILLOS FIDHDBDKDJ
I love standing on the giant golden spinning armadillo
Don’t worry
I gotchu
Thank you butter. It makes so much more sense
Yeah no problem
Any time
But what do you guys think about us as the reincarnated child of light, the original sinner who destroyed Eden, Alef/Prince? I mean I know it’s a theory but we literally share it’s constellation. That’s gotta be damning evidence right there
I’m gonna be afk for a bit, bye dudes
And all of those kneeling bodies like the prince / child of light are in the same position... they could be “the fallen” that’s we have to save in Eden... our friends.. who are the reincarnation of the other followers in the prince’s timeline
Omg side note!! I don’t know why I’m so ADHD this morning....maybe it’s the coffee
Okay old crackpot theory buuuuuut with more evidence !!!
Soul boxes!!
That’s what they’re doing in this mural
:O
Soul boxes? 
They tried to capture the essence of the MAMMA MANTA!!!
Look at all three pictures
Mural the concept of what those lanterns do and the result of lighting those lanterns.... spirit mantas
“Projections” if you will
Buttttttt........
What’s missing?!
(Points at SalamanderInk and at Flos with his other hand)
The lanterns are there, the projector of the memories of the mama mantas are there... but what is not there...
I’ll tell you what’s not there....
Oh you won’t belieeeeeeeve what’s not there....
(Long pause......deep breath....smirk)
Their bodies....
✊🎤 🖐️ 🎤
bruh
This really be big brain time
I can literally see you standing on a stage losing your mind dood
Just 🤯
Wanna know where their bodies are?
After Vault elder slurp slurped their essence
This is what happens when you mess with nature.
The bones are there... the spirit is there...
It’s obvious from that mural they used the lanterns on the giant beasts
But the shriveled bodies...
The lightless husks...
They escaped Vault
Spread to wasteland and Eden
Is there an actual video which really analyses the Sky lore well?
not really
sky lore theorists haven’t migrated to youtube yet 
but then again, there isn’t really any concrete lore
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this could help you
Lmao I'm not a lore moff, but it just seems like it is all out of place in bits and pieces
brciky, how is the lore wiki/doc going
But yeah Oz is really tryna break it down lol
Lmao I'm not a lore moff, but it just seems like it is all out of place in bits and pieces
the lore wiki is suppose to solve that, i am also setting up something to host a wiki dedicated to lore, it is WIP
wait there's a wiki?
There will be
it’s uh
very slow development rn, considering all the people involved are rather busy what with work and school
jsgdnd wikis take too much time
Think the ancestors held two team (maroon vs blue) competition and the colours are designated to Elder’s.
But then who is red and who is blue?
According to how the twins stand, maroon would be kakashi hair and blue must be Dora hair.
stand where ?
p o o f
HI BUTTER
HEYYA
And ur username is wrong
I do know you 
🥺
It’s so relieving for somebody to tell me they know me
Started getting called the other butter :,)
Haha
Ur the original 😤
Spread to wasteland and Eden
so thats why theres that giant hole in the wall at the Basement 3 of the archives
Hi guys, are there canon names for the elders?
no canon names
Ooh i see
but they had names in the concept art
however the current elders are canonically nameless
I read somewhere about that so i was wondering, thank you
nope
But maybe this is wrong
Isle: Daleth (ד)
Prairie: Ayin (ע)
Forest: Teth (ט)
Valley: Samekh (ס)
Wasteland: Tsadi (צ)
Vault: Lamed (ל)
Prince: Alef (א)
King: Resh (ר)
PLEASE NOTE: These names have appeared in concept art and are often used when referring to the elders. They are no longer canon, they are fanon.
their names are based on hebrew letters
no problem
Tsadi is called a Hero in the OST music titles... maybe that is his name, the same way the spirits have canon names that are based off of their job titles or actions in their relived memories? maybe other names could be gleaned from the same source ?
Tsadi could reasonable be named Hero due to the soundtrack listing his music as one of the two heroes
?
Maybe?
Possibly?
Perhaps?
if you’re referring to names like the spirits have, we see in orbit they’re called « Elder of the [Realm] »
their titles
#lore-discussion-spoilers message Where the flying hell did they come up with these names?? Daleth for Valley, really?
Samekh isnt even for vault its for Valley
this op is bonkers
i believe it’s a misconstruing this concept art
are they on an acid trip vault style
that’s a lynx, it’s from the forest elder’s concept art
forest elder is the one with the umbrella here, that’s what that mask is referencing
don’t mess with concept forest elder
she was much scarier back then
Taking into account that they made sure we got lost in their maze of a forest while being passive-aggressive, yeah 
Vault elder looks like a lion
i believe vault was based on a raven/crow originally
yep !
In the beginning yeah
they were all animals in the beginning
But it was changed a lot overtime
After a while the animal concept wasn’t a thing anymore
As of right now, the elders have no relation to be animals
Thas what I meant
do you think there will be a day where no new theories can be presented because all possible evidence have been founded or utilized in forming theories,that the only recurrent theories are meta-theories?
i wonder what animal the king was 
nope
Theorizing will most likely never stop
Not everyone will get info or founded info that was collected and tgc doesn’t have a concrete story for everyone to know about
There’s always going to be unsolved gaps and that’s where the theories take place
If they ever decided on making a single concrete story
Then yeah, maybe the theorizing might stop
i kind of want a concrete story but i don't want it to end, it is like reading a really good novel
but all good things come to an end
Oh, that feeling. The last pages and the dread of whether to read them or not 
I can relate
evidence #2 we have lamed vibes: our eyes are closed while she likes to narrow them
where is evidence #1
evidence 1 is we sit like lamed
what does the evidence correspond to
i had 2 screenshots?
where?
its pretty a long time ago, im gonna search later
@hushed steeple here are the ss u asked
#lore-discussion-spoilers message
i should of used the search function, sorry palechild
s ok
Just a Thought:
Some say through observation that the technological prowess of the sky ppl were pre-industrial with additional mythical stuff, and if so, then the large metal pipes we see at Golden Wasteland and Eden contradicts that. How they achieved that might definitely have to do with what they achieved through the use of power diamonds
Not to mention the spire tower at eden as well that resembles the image of a large telescope like what we have at space observation posts irl and the scattered metal scaffoldings and iron frames we see every now and then could suggest that the Sky Ppl despite being an ancient civilization, had achieved a level of technology and industrialization somewhere near our 20th century era
I wonder that too
Also theory
Krills are robots piloted by angry chibis that haven’t had enough chicken nuggies
Does Eden have an elder?
There are some theories that the sky kids are the elders
Interesting theory
:3
AA
Does Eden have an elder?
the king i guess
Eden is implied to have an elder
Well we dont know their fate now
But "... are not around to be saved anymore"
Eden Elder isnt confirmed to be the King tho
For all we know, what they meant by "Eden Elder isn't around to be saved anymore" could mean Eden Elder doesn't exist anymore like the concepts-
imo i believe the eden elder we see in the mural is the prince, but both the prince and king were the eden elders
And are they the same? Are they different? These are the questions that lore chat will ask til the end of time
we will theorize, but there will never be answers 
The prince is an interesting lore topic which i personally hope the devs do not give answers for to maintain my hopes and dreams 
Yes, I may or may not have mistyped that bit 
the only thing i want regarding the prince and king is getting a canon design for them
I love the moth-Alef design and will use it until we get confirmation otherwise.
Something I kinda wonder about w Season of Prophecy is cave art. Daleth is portrayed in some Isle cave art, what might we see with this new update? And could we see spirit or elder designs, if they’re relevant to the prophecy?
- eats popcorn in beta *
You taunt me, Bricky
oh i love to taunt

and i love watching y’all suffer for lore 
That makes you sound like you're a dev, Bricky. XD
You are definitely not
i just like the cryptic vibes
I just have to wait until October, but believe me when I say I’ll be here all day with theories. Prehistory is one of my special interests so I am prepared with an arsenal of relevant knowledge
would it be considered prehistory if it was recorded 
Sort of. Cave art records a lot, but it’s prehistory mostly because we don’t know how to decipher it.
So like, there’s thirty-odd symbols that appear in nearly every cave w art in Europe and North Africa, but we have no idea what they mean
Also: the heart is one of them. It’s more than forty thousand years old
I'll be happy to hear your theories once we get some more information with this next season Avi
I haven't been on the lore channel in a awhile. Hello everyone!!!
So any of you agree to my theory about the technology of the Sky Kingdom?
Just wondering

oh i think i didnt see it
Just a Thought:
Some say through observation that the technological prowess of the sky ppl were pre-industrial with additional mythical stuff, and if so, then the large metal pipes we see at Golden Wasteland and Eden contradicts that. How they achieved that might definitely have to do with what they achieved through the use of power diamonds
Here ya go
Not to mention the spire tower at eden as well that resembles the image of a large telescope like what we have at space observation posts irl and the scattered metal scaffoldings and iron frames we see every now and then could suggest that the Sky Ppl despite being an ancient civilization, had achieved a level of technology and industrialization somewhere near our 20th century era
Second part
thanks
That fits pretty well with tomcept GW
Sorry to interrupt, you guys may carry on! I just had a random idea: Is it possible Eden was the only realm before the theorized diamond explosion that went through all the cycles of the day? From Isle to Vault, we go from dawn to the starry night. Eden could represent the pitch black of night, yes. But wouldn't it make more sense if Eden, pinnacle of the kingdom, represented everything, including all cycles of the day?
I think so, since Eden was under a tremendous and heavy storm, it being dark may not be the same for being at night
Heavy storms can cover so much light like hurricanes and tornados
Not to mention how self sustaining and long lived the storm in Eden seems to be
There's no telling what time of the day it actually is on Eden, under the influence of a storm
Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking myself.
In one of the concepts, Golden Wasteland was essentially a distroid suburbia with modern day style trash everywhere
i see eden as how you feel at 3 am
Basically pollution
That. That works too Bricky
eden: how it feels to chew five gum
Bricky shush
But how does a pre-ruined Golden Wasteland be at ties with other places like Daylight Prairie? GW before its destruction seems to be modernized
My theory from earlier has the answer
i see GW as an industrial capital, where all the factories were
Yea hence the pipes and ships
Makes sense
GW has more buildings than Valley
ye, considering the ships it might have been a spot of major trade, considering it seems to have water on both coasts
But also probably like a place to train Giant warriors too?
Since we can see that there are shields and barricades protecting the gate
And even in the background, there are lots of buildings to be distinguised, and some might have already collapsed
And some spears
Yeah the giant shields and weapons scattered seemed to be a place to train their super soldiers, like the elder
And other sky ppl aren't that big
things i think GW was for:
- Industrial capital
- Trade with other civilizations
- Military capital
No the elder was fighting with them but probs retreated when his warriors fell
And he wwnted to protect the Vault elder
But unlike the others, GW doesn't seemed to transition to a more peaceful state even being at ruins apart from places like Hidden Forest, Daylight Prairie and the like
pardon ?

Other realms seemed to be at ruins, like collapsed and stuff, but recovered when plants and animals took it as their home, making it a peaceful place
However, GW after collapsing, didn't become a peaceful place somehow, unlike other realms
Oh hi Grill
Oh hi Grill
hello hi hi helo
Plus as seen butterflies were trapped inside darkness plants in graveyard
What did attract the Krills and many crabs there though?
Maybe bc WL has the most resources throughout the realms
Was it because it was void of light?
Hence the ships
Ohw ohkie
No WL wasn't like that before
WL was a sunny place a think before the krills came and made the skies dark
And when it was dark the ancestors only had a bit of light left so they attacked
Maybe WL being found so low underneath the clouds might have been a factor?
Or maybe it's caused by carbon dioxide
Like in the real world
Due to the factories
By that, possibly Krills could've been a result of pollution
Mhm
And so as all the black goop abound the area
I mean you have leaky pipes
Like blue dogs in some countries
Yes
Due to chemical reactions
It doesn't seem to harm you when you fly into it
Their industrialization came out far worse than ours decades ago
isnt that the dark waters
Also Faux i think that when elders filled the sky with carbon dioxide
The krills attacked
How come?
By that, possibly Krills could've been a result of pollution
@worn citrus ah i wonder if they're like a Polluted version of that big whale thing we see in the sanctuary islands?
I guess so, since they prey on creatures of light
The big whale thing is really bigger than a krill so i dont think so
Well thousands of years ago there were krills bigger than whale
Or the elders spent all their light on making power diamonds so they release darkness instead
Possibly, but in what way?
For example elder manta is the whale mamta we see in Sanctuary
Well thousands of years ago there were krills bigger than whale
@hushed steeple w8 really? Was it from the concepts?
No just theories amd stuff
Oh i thought it was official hehe
Since we do see bones in graveyard bigger than modern krills
There's two jagged things in the ship in GW- theories state that those are horns of a megakrill
Hey fellow lore moffs! Im back hue hue
Maybe the skeletons are Big Mantas
Yea but
y e s
Wouldn't Krills be invertebrates due to their bodies?
for me the bones are whales
dO mAnTAs hAve tUrtLE sHapEd hEaDs!?
Or just have very flexible spines

Possibly
dO mAnTAs hAve tUrtLE sHapEd hEaDs!?
whurtle
There's two jagged things in the ship in GW- theories state that those are horns of a megakrill
@velvet thunder Send pic
And only the best efforts managed to take down only one, if there were more
I'm not in game.
I'm not in game.
@velvet thunder

I have Sky, it'll just krill my phone battery since I'm on 20%

Let me try find a source image
mega krill takes away 50 winged lights
NONONO YEP HOME SHIELD WILL DEFINITELY NOT WORK THIS TIME
Is there an actual scale on how big it would be?
My thought on it it would be
well, current krills are about 69’8 ft 
The size if ark
nah never seen a offical stuff about mega krills
Dang that's horrifying
Or the size of thw sanc isle
If it were the size of the ark
yeah, there’s never even been any concepts about a « megakrill »
The sanc isle size one i just said is most likely to be possible
nah never seen a offical stuff about mega krills
Just theories about it then?
But where did it stemmed from?
Hey guys have you heard of the darkness bird/King of darkness
Not yet
From this channel
What's their name?
Darkness birds
the theory was legit just an offhand comment from the canon doc curator
the prairie bug ?
Basically like dementors except like flat ripped cloth
Has bigger eyesight range than krill and attacks in less than 5 secs
Yeah I can't find an image
Yea cuz ya know who posted s vid abt the darkness bird
Sorry folks, I'll post it when relevant
oh i know what concept you’re talking about
And we all know who
I wonder how dark creatures came to be
Like were they once light creatures?
they were never developed in depth iirc

the one in prarie? or something different
lemme find the concept
Still can find it in files
There's a corpse of a krill in prairie?
The one I'm talking abt is the old concept of the krill model
So it was posted by Vi
Yk
Where can I find it?
Not anymore
concept krill isnt flat ripped cloth tho?
ohh
this ?
the cursed creature
No
i gotta scrolllllllllll
can you please send a picture of what you’re talking about ?
Me?
That looks so scary
wait i think i know what it is
Oh dang
Looks like an eldritch horror now
I'll try
It would be so much better in the final game
Looked like this i drew it
So it flapped it's wings
Its flat
It's a ripped piefe of cloth or smth
is it this
And it has a eye
Is that an old manta design?
you...might’ve seen fan art, dude
i still cant understand
That's creepy
you...might’ve seen fan art, dude
^^^^
I did tho
But I wasn't really able to distinguish it at first
Why did it get banned?
don’t mention that person here, please
Wait, thats a-
They’re a known hacker
Ok
whatever you saw, it’s illegitimate
Yeah
Oh
Oh is it something not supposed to be talked about?
Yeah
Yea
Hacks
Aighty
We could get seriously punished for talking about him
i never seen it before..
Grillbates’ image is one of the early concept arts for krill if I remember correctly 
What do you think these spaghetti things are?
hmmm
Megans spaghetti?
slurp
flying spaghetti bird
I mean
Who doesn't like spaghetti?
Someone who wants to die
They look lile streams of light I guess?
I come back and I see spaghetti ?
Maybe those strings are energy streams from various places?
respect
Not liking spaghetti is H e r e s y
I remember someone saying that the streams of darkness from the Eden Diamond look eerily similar to the light lines at The Light-
Italians have power to control the world confrimed
cough lore



It's definitely energy streams of some kind
You guys talk ima watch
Aighty

I noticed that Reika said that the devs had left it to us to interpret the King/Prince's role in the game...
Hmm I think the King
Is the King
Big brain

She didn't say what happened to them... She said what part or role the King played in the lore
Like, if they were evil, bad, or innocent-
No King literally killed himself by absorbing too much light cuz of his greed
Well I wouldn't be able to deduce what his role truly is apart from a ruler, but he definitely played a big part to the fall of his kingdom
we don’t know that for sure, Oopby

So that means they could definitely explain what happened to the King, but vaguely-
Its only how they handled things that caused things to be the way they are-
But if lore about the King and Prince would now be stemmed from speculations by fans then I guess it would be interesting to see which one is the most likely
i like to imagine the king was killed by the prince 
Well the child of light is in the diamond
Regicide?
Well since when does this game give us lore
What brought the motive for regicide from the Prince then? Was it megalomania?
So what I'm trying to say, the devs left us to have our interpretations of how they pretty much made things the way they are, and if they're evil or not evil, but just make mistakes






