lore-discussion-spoilers

[queen owl]

Right!

If the elders did flee the darkness as intro says , and there are people still in the sky where the darkness went because more do fall later, it follows they'd know more about it. Or be watching it closely. Not necessarily future sight. Just... we messed it up already.

Wait no

Spirits fled the darkness? Elders fled darkness? Idk depends who is speaking in intro

[bitter shale]

My guess? Its either Megan or part of the prince consciousness

Lmaoooooo

I love that

[queen owl]

Beautiful.

When 4th skykid shows up just like: fine. Here's what you want to know. Get on with it and good luck I guess

Prototype 3 was rude so isle grampa refused to give map

[thin dirge]

With the intro, I think they're just winged lights

[undone harbor]

those stars aren't wl though

[thin dirge]

One goes down to our skid, which is a demonstration of our purpose

[bitter shale]

Oo

[thin dirge]

The stars arent, but the four streams of light are

[bitter shale]

Lmaooo

It is what actually happened in isle cutscene anyway-

[kind bobcat]

Nodding is the universal sign of gratitude, from the sky kingdom to orbit

[undone harbor]

the birds in Isle cutscene just got light spelled

[bitter shale]

"We cool bro?"
"Ye, we cool"

[thin dirge]

I think they're just winged lights, thats why I theorized the Prince sacrificed all their lights, so that we could collect them and bring them to the storm

All those lights came from one area. Not where the stars fell

They came from somewhere above Eden

[kind bobcat]

Prince's memories

[bitter shale]

Ooh nice catch butter!

I always thought they are fallen from the sky as well

[thin dirge]

They could also just have manifested on the places that were strongly associated with the Prince, or maybe the Prince's strongest memories

Then... What was the Prince doing in the deepest part of the Vault Archives..?

[queen owl]

Oh that's very neat

[thin dirge]

[bitter shale]

Then... What was the Prince doing in the deepest part of the Vault Archives..?
Learning

[thin dirge]

No, the Archives were stated to be FORBIDDEN

[undone harbor]

crack

[short owl]

maybe reasearch for something big?

[thin dirge]

And Prince was in the DEEPEST part of it

[bitter shale]

Except maybe for the highest authority?

Or he just went sneaky sneaky

[undone harbor]

why does my messege get deleted ahhh

[thin dirge]

Probably the area with the most forbidden knowledge

[queen owl]

Maybe he snuck in? Or maybe it's only forbidden to normal people and he had a key

I need to go back to spreadsheet lovely chatting!

[short owl]

@undone harbor it happens when fearbot sees a nono word.

[undone harbor]

vault is cold and watery down there you don't want the prince to see that

@undone harbor it happens when fearbot sees a nono word.
@short owl but there wasn't any-

[bitter shale]

I mean if the wl is part of the prince's memory...

What did he do on the roof of flying race in valley?

[solar relic]

he was racing the valley elders, got stuck and he got too scared to jump and continue

[bitter shale]

Hhhh nice one prince, nice one

he was racing the valley elders, got stuck and he got too scared to jump and continue
Thats actually quite cute

[solar relic]

hm but thing is i wonder if the buildings/objects/etc were there or in that condition when the prince was around. probably not though so i think that's why the wl is in some of the most wacky places

[bitter shale]

Yeah, like that one in gw ship where the krill lurking

There is 3 wls in that area

[thin dirge]

Well, maybe the WL are not placed where the Prince was exactly, more like the Prince was around the area. Plus, landscapes changed a lot. May not actually be literally the location of the Prince, just the areas the Prince has been to

[bitter shale]

what did he even do on the top of prairie temple-

Did he got kiddnaped by the mantas and stuck on there

[thin dirge]

Looking around the place?

Needed to have a good look on Prarie?

[bitter shale]

how did he go down then-

[thin dirge]

Cape-
Well, my headcanon was the Prince did have a cape of sorts...

Or maybe had one at some point?

Do remember the Prince may or may not be a child-

[bitter shale]

He did have poncho like the guy from Journey

[thin dirge]

They probably wouldve wandered to a lot of places, that usually others would not go off to

Like, exploring I mean

Or maybe the Prince was inside the Temple, but the WL ended up on top of the Temple?

Would make sense to me-

[undone harbor]

Ok ok so serious theory about archives

I follow the headcannon that vault is built in wasteland

Before the big vault we see today there was only the underground archives

Before gw fell the archives was a place for well,secret government stuff

Then war happened and archives became a place for forgery and keeping the troops

Maybe that’s why a side won and the other lost (ancestors vs creatures or ancestors vs eachother

[viscid torrent]

So this is my drawing for the vault is destroyed theory

As we can see, after the 2nd floor we dont see any walls, just pitch black and invisible walls

[bitter shale]

So.... we somehow float from second floor to the uppest floor?

[viscid torrent]

Its called magic

I still dont have a theory on that;-;

[thin dirge]

It seems its from the power of the Flame/light

There's flame particles when you levitate-

[viscid torrent]

But where do those particles come from?

[thin dirge]

Hmm, from probably the last remains of energy that sustains the Vault itself?

Which is flame-

[viscid torrent]

Yeah we see flame everywhere

Like as the source of light?

Its looks pretty destroyed

[thin dirge]

When we get to the next floor from the first floor, you could still get down to the first floor while the elevator thing goes up, and you would see that the entire place suddenly looks different, and you see what the Vault actually looks like

I tried it

[viscid torrent]

Golden?

[thin dirge]

Yeah

Someone here suggested that the Vault probably uses up the last of its energy as we ascend up

[viscid torrent]

That is a good theory

I accidently click the relive button for the praying spirit-

The color scheme looks cool tho-

[boreal nebula]

Lore Scholar spotted

[kind bobcat]

a common misconception is that Daleth is the twins' name

[lethal stump]

this one to be specific

[bitter shale]

alef and daleth...

somehow i wonder who spread that

[lethal stump]

it’s been around a while

[solar relic]

yeah in some communities is called alef/aleth and daleth, then is caleb

[lethal stump]

c
caleb ?

[signal forge]

There was a discussion about cosmetics and the cape being made of light. And I saw this at a valley oob today.

[bitter shale]

but the fanarts are

[lethal stump]

where did that come from

[bitter shale]

caleb lmao

nice one

[solar relic]

aleth, daleth, then...

caleb

[lethal stump]

oh yeah, Igluu, it’s a common belief that capes are made of light

[bitter shale]

and i have seen an artist callin as Tandi-

[lethal stump]

[bitter shale]

i dont even know anymore

but they call as Teth, the only correct one

[hushed steeple]

but they call as Teth, the only correct one
@bitter shale may I ask why? Just was curious for a while now :3

[bitter shale]

altho ngl Alef and Daleth can be a cool twins names

uh, well, Teth is a concept name for Forest Elder

[lethal stump]

thèse are the actual concept names:
Isle: Daleth (ד)
Prairie: Ayin (ע)
Forest: Teth (ט)
Valley: Samekh (ס)
Wasteland: Tsadi (צ)
Vault: Lamed (ל)
Prince: Alef (א)
King: Resh (ר)
PLEASE NOTE: These names have appeared in concept art and are often used when referring to the elders. They are no longer canon, they are fanon.

[bitter shale]

all elders used to have names

yeah

no longer canon

[hushed steeple]

Ooh ok 0.0

[bitter shale]

altho i didnt have any ill manner to those who call valley twins as Alef and Daleth they are cool

[amber sail]

Wait.
Valley only have one?

[lethal stump]

yep !

just Samekh

[livid valley]

Aye

[lethal stump]

i tend to split the name in half
Sam
Ekh

[livid valley]

Ekh saying that irl seems funny a little

[bitter shale]

my take
Samuel
Mekhane

Sah
Mekh

tahts a good one too

[livid valley]

👀

[tender dune]

kakashi
dora

[bitter shale]

kakashi and dora are twins

[short owl]

Caleb?!

Also is now prince

[bitter shale]

a chaotic prince-

[tender dune]

At the laughing spirit memory. They were collecting orbs from the birds (the birds fly from what appears to be from Birdnest to praire temple). Which makes me wonder if those orbs are from the same orbs that the birds in prince with megan doodle

They seem to be the same as these from birdnest

anyone got any theories about those orbs dropped by the birds?

[livid valley]

Glowing poop

Jkjk

[tender dune]

appears like the birds drop small white orbs (but could be white cuz of the memory color) while the manta in birdnest dropped

i dont think i've heard anyone go deep about those bird orbs

[livid valley]

indeed

[bitter shale]

excuse me for a moment but what is

[tender dune]

green light dropped by manta during enchantment season

[bitter shale]

maybe thats the poop the devs talkin about-

ohh enchant light

wait those are dropped from manta? i never see it clearly

[tender dune]

the green light yes

the orbs im talking about no

[bitter shale]

since i just chillin doing instru by waiting for that green orb landed near me

anyway

maybe those are like... light residu?

like, fairy concept of dropping pixie dust

or butterflies dropping dust whenever they flap their wings

[solar relic]

hmm the concept of light orbs all started with the lightseekers (which is why there's 3 orbs in that one cave in isle). i wasn't around for it but i'll see what i can find whenever i have the time to watch the lightseeker stuff

[tender dune]

i dont have a pic of megan giving the prince the flame but those birds look a lot like these

i wonder if the reason for birdnest wasnt to eat the birds but for harvesting those orbs from them

[bitter shale]

this?

to res

[west moss]

yeah, also u can see these light orbs but in dif colour at the arc

[bitter shale]

Ohh yeah

I didnt get the pic sadly

[tender dune]

top: forgotten ark shop
bottom: home ship shop

[bitter shale]

Wait ginko where did you find the pic of megan giving the prince the fire?

Like, is it on ark?

[tender dune]

office pond but also you can see those in the concept art

it has 2 versions

[livid valley]

Ye

[solar relic]

grill!!! hello it's been a while

[fierce spade]

That green thing they dropped you mentioned

[bitter shale]

Ohhh i never see office pond closely

Its so laggy and lead to crash-

[fierce spade]

Is it this?

[tender dune]

yes oriaan

but im talking about the orbs the birds are dropping.

[fierce spade]

That’s an alchemical symbol I think

[tender dune]

not the manta

[livid valley]

grill!!! hello it's been a while
Indeed hello

[bitter shale]

Gink which concept art you reffering i cant open imgur because it got blocked here-

[solar relic]

i forgot what the green light does and i was around for enchantment smh @ myself

[fierce spade]

I missed enchantment smh

[bitter shale]

You guys joined before sanct?

Lucky

[tender dune]

green light was for the grass i think

[bitter shale]

Also res, is your pfp about Lamed on fire-

[fierce spade]

Well is an alchemical symbol representing air
Idk if that’s of significance to this

[bitter shale]

Well, you see...

Maybe it does represent air, the green light

[solar relic]

yes it is a lamed parody of

[livid valley]

Green light is the only light confuses me in the early enchantment days

[tender dune]

i mean we also have

[bitter shale]

Water air oil purple stuff fire air?

[tender dune]

green light was the only light dropped by mantas

[bitter shale]

Lmao

[tender dune]

and stayed on ground

the others float around

[livid valley]

Mmh

[solar relic]

makes me nostalgic. i remember flying around to chase for it

[bitter shale]

i think this is earth??

Idk man

[fierce spade]

Maybe whatever the animals give off (orbs or symbols idk man lmao) is like a power source???? Bro idk lmaoooo

[bitter shale]

Based on color :
fire
earth
air
water

[livid valley]

purple

[bitter shale]

I mean, i also based this from prophecy trailer

[livid valley]

Lol

[bitter shale]

knowledge? (This one is found in vault rite?)

[livid valley]

Yep

[bitter shale]

not sure about this one... where is this one found?

[solar relic]

forest

[livid valley]

Ye high up

[bitter shale]

Huh... now thats interesting

[livid valley]

Annoying

Sksksksk

[tender dune]

"The spirit needs green light. The fable is they are gifts to the earth from the sky." from enchant ssn
then the spirit uses the light to call upon grass in FA

[bitter shale]

I can only remember cyan in valley lol

[tender dune]

you can see two mantas flying up with the green light

but anyways my question is the birds not the green light

[bitter shale]

They stole the green light from the scare spirit but dropping it when they try to run

Apologize-

[livid valley]

I was about to write that

[solar relic]

ah sorry gin

ginko*

[tender dune]

its ok xD

im just more curious about those bird orbs because i dont recall anyone mentioning them

the green light is always mentioned

[bitter shale]

My take it, those white dropping from the birds are equivalent with pixie dust from fairy?

Or like how bee sometimes dropping pollen wheneve they fly

[solar relic]

let me find the concept art you're referring to

[bitter shale]

Oooor thats just some game mechanic idk

[bitter shale]

Whoaaaa

[tender dune]

yes!

[solar relic]

thanks to lore i have a shortcut to tom zhao's website on my phone

[bitter shale]

Thank you res!!

[tender dune]

xD

[livid valley]

Beautiful

[tender dune]

in the older version of that you can see the fish/birds with orbs

in the office version its just one colored orange and what seems to be birds carrying orbs

[bitter shale]

So pretty

Also birth and death circle drawn so beautifully in taht piece

[livid valley]

Damn you beat me to it

[solar relic]

it is ok you are 🏎️ too

[livid valley]

thanks

[solar relic]

seems like the spirit was collecting the bird's light? maybe extra light essence or something like that

since prenc holds the same orb as the fishes, could be that he harnesses the life force/power/essence of light animals

[tender dune]

btw grill someone called (Chrisis is) used to ask a lot about you

[bitter shale]

Are they like, carrying piece of souls? Some of them got dropped and grow on earth as grass

Who knows

Life essence!

[livid valley]

btw grill someone called (Chrisis is) used to ask a lot about you
ah yes

[bitter shale]

They might carrying life essence!

Do you think represent life?

[tender dune]

yeah its weird that the birds would come from birdnest direction to drop them halfway while they're heading to praire temple

[livid valley]

I wonder why is he obsessed with me what did I even do

[bitter shale]

you are cool so you got lot of fans

[livid valley]

"lots" lmao

[bitter shale]

[tender dune]

crackpot theory
i wonder if they bred the birds and trained them to carry the orbs to them so they put them in pots instead of letting the birds go to megan for the rebirth cycle

[solar relic]

maybe that's why the jars are so big? 👁️👁️

[bitter shale]

Oohh tryna to distrup life cycle huh

[solar relic]

disruption of nature due to technological advancement man

it do be like that 😔

[livid valley]

Always has been

[hushed steeple]

funny enough that's the main point of the past civilization's storyline

[solar relic]

indeed 😔

also henlo bread

[hushed steeple]

the greed of power and advancement in industry until it crosses the tipping point

hello! i usually lurk here

[livid valley]

I see

[tender dune]

i wonder how many people are just reading our convos..

[livid valley]

I see you lurker stop pretending

[fierce spade]

Okay I found another link between alchemical symbols and those color symbols

[solar relic]

heh lore has a lot of lurkers i mean i was one too before i started chatting here in like june-july

anyway yeah, pretty much due to the power diamonds being produced at the expense of the environment, that's how the kingdom fell. i think the initial methods to harvest light started with the bird guy since no harm was done to the birds (iirc), just collecting whatever they dropped. but as they wanted more diamonds they resorted to more,, violent methods,,

looks at the theory that mantas were crushed up in the power diamond factories

[fierce spade]

could mean oil
It’s a bit farther off but i found one minor similarity

So whoever said oil thay ine time

You were right lmaooo

But I’m getting mixed signals with a lot of the other symbols???

[tender dune]

https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/750955200583565422
this is what each light did (without the riddles)

[fierce spade]

So basically here’s my findings and like comparisons keep in mind I’m not the most educated in this stuff I’ve just researched it:

Oil:
Air:

[tender dune]

The spirit longs for Red light. They can be found where darkness prevails.
The Spirit seeks Blue light. Rumors point toward the pure waters of a mountain lake.
The spirit yearns for Cyan light. It lingers among early gusts of wind.
The spirit needs Green light. The fable is they are gifts to the earth from the sky
The spirit prays for Purple light. It is said they hoard ancient secrets.
The spirit cries for Orange light. They offer warmth in times of cold.

[gilded fossil]

/ hi guys i see new face here?

[tender dune]

[topaz girder]

hello

[tender dune]

henlo

[livid valley]

Idk Jen ask them if their new to lore

[tender dune]

oil makes sense oriaan but for it gave us grass and flowers while actually gave us wind

[gilded fossil]

/why does air gave us dirt??

[fierce spade]

mmmm, and its very possible they ould have mixed air and earth

so I could go with being earth bc in a way it makes sense when you look at it w/o context

plus earth is just air flipped over

[tender dune]

you can find enchant cutscenes in the pins too

[livid valley]

/why does air gave us dirt??
Blows dirt

[solar relic]

extreme air pollution

[gilded fossil]

/oh yea considering wasteland is very wastey

[tender dune]

spirit also says he needs green light

[gilded fossil]

/yearns for

/oh wait

[tender dune]

need

[gilded fossil]

/ sing that one song about what you want aint what ya need

[boreal nebula]

Sorry, not a lurker just a late/ backtrack reader. The things that makes me wonder is not the symbols that might look like a Natural Element or tied to it somehow ( earth or air)

But this

[fierce spade]

actually

I have a minor theory about that but im not too sure yet

[boreal nebula]

It looks very similar to a symbol very recurrent in many places

[bitter shale]

Diamond symbol

[fierce spade]

ohhhh wait what smbol?

[bitter shale]

Yeee

[fierce spade]

*symbol

[boreal nebula]

For example Forest Temple

[bitter shale]

purple light in vault

[gilded fossil]

/ looks like the diamonds in vault too

[tender dune]

lmao wait i just found light symbol in valley race too wait lemme

[short owl]

... I bet it's memory

It looks like a memory cube

[solar relic]

i see diamond i instantly think of king

[tender dune]

its found on almost most of the buildings i think

[boreal nebula]

No I mean one who looks exactly the same but with 4 more dots

[tender dune]

and i think the best example would be teth's headpiece ❤️

[solar relic]

yes teth fan

this one teb?

[tender dune]

always res

[boreal nebula]

Neither

Something in between

[gilded fossil]

/oh yea it sorta looks like the light thing, but more minimalistials

[bitter shale]

Man its hard to fit this pic to my pfp

And now im stuck with this pfp for a while

[fierce spade]

this is a very minor one but that symbol apears alot in game
some alchemists have also used the purple thing to represent antimony but its the least popular symbol for it
but if its a power diamond, power diamonds (I think its confirmed) led to the destruction of the kingdom
antimony is (I think so at least) a toxic metal

so its rocky but interesting

[tender dune]

Again

[fierce spade]

also alot of the time antimony is represented without the dot, or with an entirely diferent symbol so like lmaoo

[boreal nebula]

I noticed all the lights have effect on Ark tied to their original place or rather the spot you take them

[topaz girder]

the door from sunny forest to the broken temple area has those diamond symbols

[tender dune]

these symbols are everywhere

[topaz girder]

seems like it's something important

[fierce spade]

could be an insignia for the kingdom

[boreal nebula]

Lkke these. In water, cleat water, in earth gives grass (a gift to air, single grass is blown in the winds), air and winds in Ark

[short owl]

Didn't the concepts include a step in the cycle where souls were stripped of memory?

[boreal nebula]

These 3 are the more cryptic

[fierce spade]

concept for what?

[solar relic]

yo what null what did the concept look like

[tender dune]

also found on pots if i wasnt mistaken

[solar relic]

let me see if i can find it

[fierce spade]

actually the right one is most likely oil

[topaz girder]

red light is the murals

[gilded fossil]

/yea the pots has that thing, you can see it when getting ayin's hair

/the pic button thing

[topaz girder]

orange light gives sunlight , right ?

[boreal nebula]

At least this is similar to the murals which let to appears despite not having the same colors

[tender dune]

oriaan's theory that is = oil / fire sounds most plausible ngl
"The spirit cries for Orange light. They offer warmth in times of cold."

[gilded fossil]

/ crie

[tender dune]

is the weirdest

[boreal nebula]

is found in a place of secrets

[short owl]

Res, it was squid megabird

[topaz girder]

it looks like fire

[tender dune]

"The spirit longs for Red light. They can be found where darkness prevails."
why would he want something where darkness prevails at?

[topaz girder]

light can prevail darkness ???

[short owl]

Not that one... Hmm...

[topaz girder]

🤠

[boreal nebula]

But are the tents really a secret or is the Enchanters' jobs the secret till u figure they created potions and such

[solar relic]

is it the office mural one

[short owl]

It was talking about how souls return to megabird full of experience

[topaz girder]

what if they created the potions to stay alive

[tender dune]

i think the knowledge of potion making and such

[fierce spade]

also keep in mind alot of my stuff may not be right bc im just connecting the symbolism and simmiliarites to alchemy, so like, everything I Throw out there is just an observation

[tender dune]

like if they actually had those lights with them when they crashed they would have actually lived normally. but without those they had to endure the harsh hot-cold environment

[boreal nebula]

If this is oil or fire... I don't see the slight est connection to its finding place nor the effect which brought to Ark

[topaz girder]

the knowledge of making something in general - maybe just knowledge idk

[tender dune]

they're previous scholars. makes sense why they'd need knowledge

[topaz girder]

If this is oil or fire... I don't see the slight est connection to its finding place nor the effect which brought to Ark
fire brings warmth , forest is p.cold . it gives sunlight to ark , probably because uhh sun is fire idk

[tender dune]

maybe they needed the knowledge to know hot to use oil to make fire

because he prays for knowledge

[boreal nebula]

Yes maybe it is knowledge, after all there is a mural about Enchanters meeting Scholars

[tender dune]

you also see the shiver spirit shivering. makes sense that forest is cold

[topaz girder]

it brings warmth , so ig the connection to forest is since forest is cold they give warmth

[tender dune]

ttyl have fun theorising

[solar relic]

@short owl sorry for the ping but i found it (is it??)

the fire element brings up the shop iirc

[boreal nebula]

I think jjust the final touch, shops

[tender dune]

what each light did: https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/750955200583565422
the riddles: https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/758685841152671754

[topaz girder]

the fire element gives sunlight , purple light gives stores

[boreal nebula]

I think it would have been clearer to have warm/fire to be the first

[topaz girder]

i remember them pretty clearly

[boreal nebula]

Also the Red light... Seemed ominous the first time I saw it, maybe its because it's the result of the dark spot we found it (and maybe ArkSpirits had to travel to a dark place too to discovering it)

So it represents their final goal which led them to their terrible fate

[solar relic]

yeah the red light pretty much drove the lore chat crazy from what i heard but after that nothing really lore related came up

[fallen halo]

also isnt this the forest elder's like symbol

[topaz girder]

isnt that king

[boreal nebula]

Even tho Lore call it King's Mask

[solar relic]

diamonds are a common motif in sky so

[boreal nebula]

Emblem

And most of it

KINGPROPAGANDA

[topaz girder]

teth probably is on king's side , with the amount of king propaganda , their mask thingy , and they probably play a big part since they forge diamonds

[solar relic]

ahh no wonder. the king literally has rocks for a head and brain

[boreal nebula]

Btw the other day I noticed how the Manta's diamond it's in just a polygon instead

[solar relic]

teth probably is on king's side , with the amount of king propaganda , their mask thingy , and they probably play a big part since they forge diamonds
as for this i somewhat agree that teth is on the king's side. at the very least, the king was involved with teth/forest (probably due to power diamond shenanigans)

[gilded fossil]

/oooh?

[topaz girder]

all of the realms has some kind of king propaganda , isle has a bit but not much though

[solar relic]

~~lmao we can't unsee king propaganda anymore it's everywhere ~~

[boreal nebula]

Oooh Just reminded me a thing

[topaz girder]

eyes empty only king propaganda

[boreal nebula]

The other day I found an emblem of the Giant Power Diamond (or more than one)

[topaz girder]

wait omg i'm gonna edit the eyes emote with king statues inside later
ANYWAYS

[boreal nebula]

Both broken by the close up look of them

[solar relic]

also - since that's the case for the vault candles, is the same true for the rest of the temples?
actually, never mind it doesn't make sense. i know some of the temples have more than one candle

oh that kind of looks like the structure of lamed's mask

[boreal nebula]

How?

[solar relic]

just a bit

it's the horizontal line in the middle

[topaz girder]

the bigger diamond looks like the hair , and the middle one looks like a face

[solar relic]

but then again diamonds are a common design so

[topaz girder]

hm , the eden elder is king right ?

plot twist lamed is eden elder but king isnt really an elder king is king

[boreal nebula]

My pictures led me to believe they had different symbols for The Diamond (like this one, less squared and longer/stretched)
And the just square rotated of 45 degrees

[topaz girder]

the bigger diamond does look like a diamond , the middle thing looks more like a face

[boreal nebula]

♦️ 🔶

[topaz girder]

hahahahah what if king is diamond jkjk unless ,,

[boreal nebula]

plot twist lamed is eden elder but king isnt really an elder king is king
Maybe it's the angle but in front view they look the same

Like the gold Temples powercells

Or whatever

Btw no idea why in english you can confuse easily a diamond 💍 and that ♦️

In Italian we have diamond fot the classic pentagonal diamon cut, "rombo"/"losanga" for this geometric shape♦️

(or in the case of playing cards they called sortof squares)

[main notch]

:0

[bitter shale]

Ohhh we call diamond shaped as wajik in indonesian

"Berlian" is more for diamond stone

[short owl]

What if the "king" was just a kid's shadow and the kid was too afraid of what would happen if someone found out that they asked for help in getting out of the position (during like... The first week) without being identified, but the plan just kept backfiring worse and worse so the kid just started trying to be a king and things got even worse

[spiral sinew]

Backreading some, and I feel like the diamond shape symbolize "insight" or "heavenly energy"

That's why a bunch of symbols is just the square added some

[gilded fossil]

/ well in my language the diamond is just "boat shape"

[spiral sinew]

Like the new season symbol is a prophetic insight cuz of the sun rays around the diamond itself

[fossil oxide]

isnt this beta?

and if so,

PURGE THE BETAS

IF NOT

im sorry

[gilded fossil]

/well, the shape is not beta anymore, the release the pic in news

[spiral sinew]

Nah you can see the symbol on store screen

[gilded fossil]

/ jinx boop

[fossil oxide]

you sure did

you sure do

[spiral sinew]

Not to mention diamond sign present on energy door knobs

[fossil oxide]

imma go back to sky memes

[spiral sinew]

And tat other past season

[lyric isle]

I saw the symbol in-game when accidentally clicking on the IAP tab

and slightly freaked out

“IT’S THERE”

[spiral sinew]

I knew cuz I bought AP in advance loool

[lyric isle]

“THERE IT IS”
ye

[spiral sinew]

Hype is reaalll

[lyric isle]

Circles are apparently the purest

[spiral sinew]

Circles are apparently the purest
@lyric isle also the cutest

[lyric isle]

yes

that sorta psychological thing about them

familiar and safe

[spiral sinew]

I was looking at the pictures on isle of dawn idk if I interpreted it right

So like the stars fell and the people took them and became skychildren lol

[bitter shale]

Well not really

[spiral sinew]

I don't remember the rest I'm not pictographic haha

[bitter shale]

i gotchu homie

[gilded fossil]

/guys then what about the diamond shape on manta's head tho

[wintry tiger]

Yes. I remember sending those

[bitter shale]

they are artificial mantas?

[gilded fossil]

/ nope all mantas have that if you look very close

/ veltz are you new

[sinful anvil]

propoganda throughout the realms and now in the iap

[undone harbor]

guess propaganda there has improved a lot huh

[bitter shale]

oh i forgot this sequence too

[sinful anvil]

also like that prince star is on the top of isle elder
i think the prince joined in much much later, like a newcomer

[compact olive]

According to the lead designer (searching his name) on the trailer launch video ....the ancestor spirits who are carrying the light in their boats in the isle of dawn pictures ARE stars

[undone harbor]

those isle murals make Isle elder looks like a chonky guy

[bitter shale]

nah, more like among us guy

[wintry tiger]

Ikr

[sinful anvil]

~art is my passion~
jkjk i love these murals

[wintry tiger]

Even though he's like... lean

And I've also mentioned

If Ushering Migrant is a "migrant", where is she from?

[undone harbor]

nah, more like among us guy
@bitter shale 6 elders be crewmate and then king kills everybody

[wintry tiger]

Oh God

[undone harbor]

If Ushering Migrant is a "migrant", where is she from?
@wintry tiger probally another part of prairie or even other realms

[wintry tiger]

Perhaps. Although Migrant and Pilgrim both sell hair and pants

Coincidence? I think NOT

[thorn trout]

Well, there's also shores on isle. Maybe she sailed in from somewhere else entirely.

[sinful anvil]

what if the prince joined later on? like the stars fell and fell until a bigger one crashed onto the earth. this big star commences the ritual of the elements and is given a concrete body and named the prince

[wintry tiger]

PErhaps so

[undone harbor]

prince fell from sky
seems legit enough

[compact olive]

Just realized that there are some pretty huge Nephilim’s parent vibes with the ancestors

[wintry skiff]

Any cool theories on the nature of Krills? One obvious thing is how they "feed" on light. That's why they eat both mantas and sky children

Are they ||corrupted sky kids?||

[compact olive]

Preston are you implying cannibalism?

[bitter shale]

According to the lead designer (searching his name) on the trailer launch video ....the ancestor spirits who are carrying the light in their boats in the isle of dawn pictures ARE stars
wait... those people are the stars???

[wintry skiff]

Maybe kinda sorta....

[fierce spade]

honestlyI dont think we know

[compact olive]

honestlyI dont think we know
@fierce spade know what?

[fierce spade]

wait nvm

[compact olive]

The 6(7) fallen stars aren’t only 6(7) stars, they represent their entire realm in Megabird. All of the ancestor spirits are their own star that helps to make up their respective realm’s constellation.

[gilded fossil]

/hmm preston i dont think they feed on it tho

/you can clearly see that light either disappears or you collect it

/krills get none of that

[fierce spade]

yeah same, it kinda just, flies outta you and chills out where you first found it

[sinful anvil]

skykids are small. krills are long. krills have mono vision

[celest turtle]

Hi

[gilded fossil]

/mono huh?

/oh oh are you new to lore chat?

[celest turtle]

Me ?

[sudden saffron]

Eden is literally a bug zapper! Open your eyes people

[celest turtle]

@gilded fossil Not really

[gilded fossil]

/elaborate?

[celest turtle]

Actually i changed my name, i dont know if you know me because i am not that active here

[gilded fossil]

/anyways, i was thinking someone made the krill not to kill their kind but to make sure the future generation (which is ús) will never finish our job to save the fallen

[vast geyser]

I always viewed the ancestor spirits as leaders of their respective area. The Sanctuary Ancestor probably owned the island and the spirits they met and helped were visitors

[compact olive]

Jenova Chen: “amongst the clouds was a kingdom, where in its skies were filled with stars and constellations. And One night all the stars have gone missing. Time has passed. You wake up as the child of light. Your mission is to go find the fallen stars and restore them to the sky.”

Chris Bell: “Each Star spirit you restore with your light will share a memory with you from its past, teaching you a new expression.”

(Both stated July 18, 2019)

[fierce spade]

personally I think the krill existed for a lonnnnnnng time, perhaps animals that were used as some sort of security patrol/security measure for certain areas

[vast geyser]

I think le darkness is an entity just like the light that creates creatures and influences the environment

[fierce spade]

well yeah, kinda like natural forces in our world

just quirky

[vast geyser]

~m~a~g~i~c~

[compact olive]

Narrator: “darkness came and the stars fell...”
we are confirmed as the child of light.
The only thing that makes it passed orbit to Megabird are spirits/stars souls, the light of a being.... the bodies of the child of light part ways with the souls of the fallen and sent back to Sky kingdom/planet.

Does this heavily imply that “darkness” that came is perhaps the physical bodies? Material bodies?

Maybe darkness is the embodiment of everything that comes with being a living human being. A star in the sky is devoid of a decaying body. A need for food or to travel wasting energy.

[topaz girder]

maybe darkness came , and they were " corrupting " the ancestors , ( not really corrupting , like making the ancestors do sins or whatever sjsja im bad at explaining ) , and megan sent the elders ( the stars ) to teach them and prevent the darkness to " corrupt " the ancestors even more

[compact olive]

And the perfect ecology of light and darkness is you can’t truly know happiness without knowing sadness. You cannot know sacrifice without knowing corruptive selfishness

[topaz girder]

i'm bad at explaining please have mercy

[compact olive]

I like where you’re headed with that 158k fangirls, just remember the elders fell too.

[fierce spade]

I think darkness is more like a force of nature/some kind of physical law, kind of existing to balance light

[topaz girder]

yes , the elders ends up getting " corrupted " too

I think darkness is more like a force of nature/some kind of physical law, kind of existing to balance light
krills , and plants are darkness , no ?

there's physical darkness and that darkness

[compact olive]

Oriaan what do you think of the creatures of light in tomcepts being discarded back to sky and only their light being brought back to Megabird ?

[fierce spade]

r u talking about concept art??

ah, well idk abt that

[topaz girder]

[fierce spade]

im more so talking about just the mechanics of light and dark rather than what happens speccifically to the creatures aligned to eitehr

[topaz girder]

mmmm

[compact olive]

The tomcept I’m talking about has been made canon by sanctuary

[fierce spade]

is tomcept a typo of concept-

[topaz girder]

nope

[fierce spade]

what is a tomcept?

[glossy sleet]

I used my very first paper boat

[topaz girder]

it's concept art that's made by tom zhao ( did i get the name right )

[bitter shale]

Yeh

[topaz girder]

i'm gonna play among us now , ttyl and tell me what you guys end up with later 😎

[compact olive]

This is what happens from Sanctuary to Eden

[fierce spade]

oh nice

so basically the light you collect over the course of the game goes to megabird?

[bitter shale]

The 6(7) fallen stars aren’t only 6(7) stars, they represent their entire realm in Megabird. All of the ancestor spirits are their own star that helps to make up their respective realm’s constellation.
Im... okay okay

This blowing my mind rn. Is taht mean ancestors are stars???

Like, wha

My mind is currently blank rn

[compact olive]

Im... okay okay

This blowing my mind rn. Is taht mean ancestors are stars???
@bitter shale
...
Jenova Chen: “amongst the clouds was a kingdom, where in its skies were filled with stars and constellations. And One night all the stars have gone missing. Time has passed. You wake up as the child of light. Your mission is to go find the fallen stars and restore them to the sky.”

Chris Bell: “Each Star spirit you restore with your light will share a memory with you from its past, teaching you a new expression.”

(Both stated July 18, 2019)

[vast geyser]

I think all of the citizens of the kingdom were stars

[compact olive]

It’s confirmed

[vast geyser]

Oh

[compact olive]

The lead designer and the creator of Sky both confirm the ancestors are all stars

[fierce spade]

like they fell and than they built the kingdom or smthn?

[compact olive]

Took physical form perhaps was falling... I don’t think we have specifics of what their “fall” actually was

[fierce spade]

mmm so it could just be figurative?

[compact olive]

Their fall could be that they caused creatures to die unnaturally

As shown in the confirmed tomcept art above

[glossy sleet]

So, find the lords of cinder and rekindle the flame

Sounds familiar...

[compact olive]

Dark souls is only one of many stories that require a hero to carry souls onward

[sharp lichen]

i think krills are robots

[compact olive]

A take as old as time

A song as old as rhyme

[sharp lichen]

since how monotone they act

[compact olive]

Beauty and the beast

[glossy sleet]

6 spirits, 6 lords

[sharp lichen]

i think the spirits and stars are all figurative

[glossy sleet]

A world once prosper, turned into dust.

[sharp lichen]

and there is no weather in sky?

[compact olive]

Lumierie more than 6 spirits, you mean 6 elder spirits?

[fierce spade]

theres rain

lmao

[glossy sleet]

Yeah

[sharp lichen]

yeah

just constant rain

no differenciating

[glossy sleet]

Well 7, if you also count the ashen one.

[indigo scarab]

Storm in wasteland entrance)

[bitter shale]

no, like, aaaahhh

thank you for telling me that Oz. this is a very big info for me

[sharp lichen]

prairie is always sunny, wasteland is always stormy, so is eden, vally is always clear

[fierce spade]

well I mean its safe to say that the way that science and what not works in sky is like very diferent from here so I think that may just be how it works

or it could just be a game design thing

bc we do see the homespace change seasonally

[sharp lichen]

well, everything is very linear

so skykid's only purpose is to be reborn?

[fierce spade]

Well, one of them, arguably

[glossy sleet]

Yes, endless circle of suffering

One of the reason why i love the game so much

[sharp lichen]

and you remember everything, have the same friends, have the same clothes, and befriended the same spirits in a "rebirth"

[glossy sleet]

Ng+ every week

[sharp lichen]

or is it all metapohical, the linear game representing time moving forward?

[bitter shale]

okay so the ancestors are stars

but what are elders? are they constellation? if so, is that mean the whole constellation just raining from the sky?

wait, is that also mean earth were originally empty? before the elders and ancestors fall?

[fierce spade]

theres a diference between the lore side and the metaphorical thematicside so like lol

[bitter shale]

shksgsjssuus i need bricky now-

[sharp lichen]

if this is earth, then it has to be set far into the future

[fierce spade]

we don't know if its earth

[bitter shale]

or ginko and butter ;-;

[sharp lichen]

they are pretty humanoid

[bitter shale]

well im using the earth as a term where mortal lives

[sharp lichen]

oh ok

[bitter shale]

like idk another word for that im sorry-

also also also, is that eman the stars gained physicals body on earth? like, if tahts so, what are their purpose? we all know the stars fell to cast away the darkness on earth, but is there another purpose? maybe helping next fallen stars to go back to sky?

[fierce spade]

but like the purpose of a skykid is very up in the air bc its not rlly ellaborated on

I mean it could be that the ancestors simply had no purpose

[sharp lichen]

how do you know that for sure?

plus, all the "clouds" never move, implying they are fake

[bitter shale]

so they might fell to uhhhh attend earth? just like human original purpose when they created by God?

aaaa

[fierce spade]

I mean think about it, the ancestors are essentially an ancient culture (allegedly)

so they're to sky kids what the greeks are to an archeologist

[bitter shale]

[topaz girder]

i think that ancestors become stars after they die

[bitter shale]

Hmmm, is that mean sky kingdom are some kind of limbo for the souls from earth?

I mean that would be cool

[hushed steeple]

Does the vault elder shows the eden elder in her cutscene?

I don’t believe so but once again this is a Dont Trust Avi’s Memory moment

[frail hearth]

he appears in the all elders cutscene

[hushed steeple]

Really?

[lyric isle]

In the last mural.

[hushed steeple]

I just saw him/her idk here

[lyric isle]

Only in picture.

yes

[frail hearth]

yeah that

[lyric isle]

that’s Alef right there

[hushed steeple]

Ohhh that’s what that is

Oh you mean „all elder cutscene“ I thought in every cutscene of the elders lol @frail hearth

[frail hearth]

yep

[hushed steeple]

The elder looks like he’s screaming

[frail hearth]

i can't unsee it thankyousomuch

[hushed steeple]

[lyric isle]

I’m oddly fascinated by the way we seem to absorb candles

[opal sable]

Hello

[lethal stump]

hoi

i see we were talking about eden elder earlier
my favourite

[viral meadow]

Wait there’s an Eden elder?!

[lethal stump]

yep !

the prince/king

Hello new Lore Moff!
Read this short document to get started! Once you’ve read this, check out pins for more information.
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[viral meadow]

What is name

[lethal stump]

it’s talked about in here

[frail hearth]

you have a pic above

just scroll a lil

[lethal stump]

eden elder

[frail hearth]

that works too

[bitter shale]

ah yes bricky-

...
Jenova Chen: “amongst the clouds was a kingdom, where in its skies were filled with stars and constellations. And One night all the stars have gone missing. Time has passed. You wake up as the child of light. Your mission is to go find the fallen stars and restore them to the sky.”

Chris Bell: “Each Star spirit you restore with your light will share a memory with you from its past, teaching you a new expression.”

(Both stated July 18, 2019)

[lethal stump]

what about it ?

[bitter shale]

new theory?

i mean, this implies that ancestors are stars-

[lethal stump]

well, we know they’re the stars in the intro constellations

so ancestors might be star-ish

[bitter shale]

hmm yeah

i always thought the elders was the stars and ancestors are earth dwellers-

[lethal stump]

thats whatd make sense
especially since the ancestors were down there first

however
i have a theory

[bitter shale]

[lethal stump]

i think the constellations & Ancestor Stars are like in greek myth, where important/impactful people would become constellations
so if an Ancestor did lotsa important things in their life, maybe they got to become a star in one of the constellations

[bitter shale]

huh, thats a good one

but, ancestors were down on earth first ebfore the elders... is that mean, like, stars occasionally fell down to earth/sky realm?

[fierce spade]

wait the ancestors came before the elders?

[lethal stump]

i think they were made by megabird and were sent down to earth

so by virtue of being a « child of megabird », theyre connected to the stars, and are able to return to the stars if they’re virtuous

[hushed steeple]

Thats a good theory

[bitter shale]

and even after the elders goes to sky realm too, stars still falling (from isle elder murals)

ngl, i think those 4 people in the isle murals are the 4 prophets...

[frail hearth]

that's what i was thinking too

[lethal stump]

i feel like the not-elders falling from the sky aren’t stars, they’re Light

[bitter shale]

imagine this

4 ancestors found those fallen stars. they bring them to isle elder and helping them go back to the sky. as gratitude, the stars giving those 4 ancestors the glimpse of the future

[short owl]

Ooooooh them being prophets would be interesting

[lethal stump]

that certainly makes sense
~~so this has been a wip since 2019 ~~

[bitter shale]

hum... about them as light, im not quite sure either since all of the fallen stars are drawed in same symbol

a circle with dot on the center

[lethal stump]

i think it’s Light mainly bc of how similar it is to the

oh, those are elders

im talking about something else

the things that look like *

but with 8 points

[bitter shale]

nah nah, even those fallen stars in isle murals are drawed the same-

[topaz girder]

ooh nice theory bricky

[bitter shale]

soryr if its quite rude of me to talk liek that

[lethal stump]

oh yeah we’re talking about different things

those are the elders

[bitter shale]

tehre is only 4 tho... also they all went back to sky

[lethal stump]

they went to eden

[bitter shale]

like, im pretty sure they all fallen after elders

[lethal stump]

not the sky

[bitter shale]

oho now this egtting interesting-

but why it went to eden-

[hushed steeple]

I'm not understanding, sry

[bitter shale]

wait how can you conclude they went to eden-

[frail hearth]

i'm confused

[hushed steeple]

Me too^

[lethal stump]

look at the first mural you sent, thats eden symbol in the opening

[short owl]

Wait... THAT BEARD ISN'T ISLE'S

[frail hearth]

huh

[lyric isle]

Why

[short owl]

Isle is two. That's three lines.

[bitter shale]

Jenova Chen: “amongst the clouds was a kingdom, where in its skies were filled with stars and constellations. And One night all the stars have gone missing. Time has passed. You wake up as the child of light. Your mission is to go find the fallen stars and restore them to the sky.”

Chris Bell: “Each Star spirit you restore with your light will share a memory with you from its past, teaching you a new expression.”

(Both stated July 18, 2019)

here is the base guys, brought to you by Oz

[bitter shale]

i mean, it can be mean one star went safely to orbit and shine-

[strange parrot]

hellooo

[lethal stump]

only thing is that ancestors are called « lost light » not stars

[short owl]

Hmm
What if the elders aren't stars, but constilations themselves?

[lethal stump]

which is the one thing that bothers me

[strange parrot]

Mmmmmh

[compact olive]

No Bricky they are called stars

Chris is quoted as calling them stars

[lethal stump]

but in game theyre called lost lights

[strange parrot]

I haven't played sky or been here in a while, but i'm still very motivated to argue about the history and laws of a fictional universe

[short owl]

The stars that fell were the elders, but pieces of them separately

[strange parrot]

i wonder what's the thing with the traveller spirits

Do they all live in eden?

[compact olive]

I’m game who calls them lost light ?

[strange parrot]

Or even seasonal spirits
Where were they before their season?

[lethal stump]

the hints call them lost lights

[bitter shale]

lost light.... what if its like, we restore their ability to shine? its like we bring them light!

a star who lost its light, we are tasked to make them to shine again!

[compact olive]

The hints?

[lethal stump]

« call to find lost lights » something like that

[compact olive]

Do you have a screenshot?

[lethal stump]

not rn

[thorn trout]

What we talking about?

[lethal stump]

what ancestors are

[bitter shale]

are ancestors stars?

[thorn trout]

Ahhhh
Yeah, the spirit stuff I'm not sure about either

[bitter shale]

lore big brain moment rn-

[thorn trout]

It seems like skychildren, spirits, and elders are all different races or species or whatever. But they do share some similarities?

[bitter shale]

we bring them light so they can shine again, as their gratitude they teach us how to live?

[lethal stump]

it seems all sentient bipeds in game have some relation to the cosmos/stars

sentient bipeds being Elders, Ancestors, and Skids

[hushed steeple]

I guess it makes sense since everything comes from the motherbird

[thorn trout]

After all, when we save the spirits, it does say to "save your ancestors". That does suggest that we have some relation to the spirits.
But we also know that unlike us, spirits were not creatures of light.
And Elders are stars, which is a whole nother level.
So we're all different races, but we do share something that we haven't figured out yet.

[bitter shale]

elders are big stars, ancestors are smol stars, and skids are... starlight?

[hushed steeple]

Like when we die, we see all the sprirts and even light creatures go to her

[compact olive]

Jenova and Chris call the ancestors stars

[thorn trout]

We're all connected under Megabird in some way. But how??

[bitter shale]

i mean skids as starlights would be cooler

[cedar radish]

Devs: oh no we didn’t mean that

[hushed steeple]

And since its in orbit. Maybe everyone is a star?

[bitter shale]

we are not star, but we have starlights as our soul

[thorn trout]

Rather obviously, the elders can't generate light either
So what is going on here

[hushed steeple]

The stars represent our actual souls, while in sky they have a vessel for a body?

[lethal stump]

we’re something more powerful than Elders and Ancestors considering they don’t have chest Light like we do

[bitter shale]

the fallen stars start to lose their light, therefore its the job for skids to bring them light?

[lethal stump]

they had to make fake light
we have it as a heart

[thorn trout]

That's what happens when you're made personally by a god to restore a kingdom

[hushed steeple]

Maybe they lost that light, so they tried to recreate it?

Cause everytime we visit an elder, when they get the light we give them, we can see their power restore in a sense

[thorn trout]

It IS odd that there were two species of non-light humanoids living in a world against darkness,
And only now is there a sentient light race being created.

[bitter shale]

hold on, what if the elders did dint have chest light, rather they have eyes light

[lethal stump]

maybe the ancestors and elders messed up and their light was taken
and now we have to give it back to them and bring them back
i sound like im stating the obvious, but just to clarify

[thorn trout]

Ooh, fair point
But that seems a bit weird with the rest of the sky world building???

[bitter shale]

like like like, did you guys remember what happened after we give each of elders the light?

their statues' eyes glow

[lethal stump]

they go from blue (darkness) to yellow (light)

[thorn trout]

The spirits/elders were always taking light to make their world function/grow. They never actually used it for THEMSELVES.

...WAIT I THINK I JUST FIGURED SOMETHING OUT

[bitter shale]

DUN DUN DUUUUN

[lyric isle]

tell

[thorn trout]

Vaguely unrelated but

[bitter shale]

tell

pls

i need answers

[thorn trout]

We've talked about how we don't understand why spirits would have capes, right?

[lyric isle]

Oooooooooooooo

[bitter shale]

OOOOOO

I GET IT but please proceed-

[thorn trout]

They're channels for light energy.
WE can power them ourselves. They stored the light in capes and used lanterns to use them.

[lyric isle]

I’ve interpreted it several ways

AH

that makes sense

[lethal stump]

[bitter shale]

so they need smoller stars to powering the elders???

thats actually fit with the concept of a constellation-

[hushed steeple]

Ah I'm kinda lost

[bitter shale]

WAIT HOLD ON MY ENGLISH IS BROKEN RN

[lyric isle]

I love your idea

[short owl]

Maybe they are going out? If they had no protection against the cold and dark, then the darkness would begin to sap away at them. Ancestors were better prepared, so the elders gave their light away in hopes of defending it, but this came at a heavy cost to themselves. We come along prepared to be a mix of light and dark, which keeps the darkness from sapping away our light, and bring extra light to jumpstart elders and ancestors. Now we collect the light that got drained away by burning plants and candles, and return that to the cycle

[frail hearth]

Ah I'm kinda lost
same don't worry

[thorn trout]

Oooooh
I like that Null!!

Also I know it's not canon or anything but I feel like I accomplished something by coming up with a theory for why and how spirits used capes. 😂

[hushed steeple]

Ok, can you explain that cape theory again? I kinda didn't understand it

[thorn trout]

Alright!

[short owl]

I think Lily is saying that capes are light storage tools, and while we have the ability to directly use that light, ancestors used tools to do that instead

did I summarize it ok?

[lethal stump]

reminds me of the magic fabric in journey

[thorn trout]

-Yeup!
Thanks Null, saved me a long explanation XD

Probably where they used it from

[hushed steeple]

Ohhh ok

thanks!

[lethal stump]

so in order to make these...magic capes
how do y’all think they’re made ? fabric infused with light while weaving ?

or just
✨magic✨

[thorn trout]

...Both?

[fierce spade]

✨magic✨

[thorn trout]

New headcanon:
The elders had to do it themselves. They had more power as stars than the spirits, so they knew the methods to keep the light inside the capes.

[lethal stump]

ooh, and that’s why there’s so few capes

[thorn trout]

Yeah! You probably had to be higher-power to get a cape, because it's such effort.

[lethal stump]

then how did a porter get one ? that’s a rather working-class job

[hushed steeple]

So would that mean flying boats cames before the capes?

[thorn trout]

...Maybe he's just special

Actually no wait

[hushed steeple]

I wonder how interconnected the stories of Journey and Sky are

[thorn trout]

I think it would be more "you have to provide the things yourself". As long as you give them the materials and light desired, you can get a cape done?

[short owl]

Maybe it's like security. If you have a duty that would require a cape, you can usually get a cape

[fierce spade]

maybe they were just powerful items, possbly rare enough to be family heirlooms or sumn

[compact olive]

What evidence are we using to imply the capes the spirits had were more than regular cloth?

[lethal stump]

hmm idk
maybe this is my worldbuilder/storyteller showing through but the Vibes of this is « ancient art passed down through generations »

[thorn trout]

None, just headcanoning

Well. Also that they harness the power of light and let's you fly, but

[fierce spade]

maybe they used them for another purpose

[lethal stump]

other than being fabulous

[compact olive]

So are adding in the head canon that we actually DO purchase the capes from the stars?

[lethal stump]

but considering our recent hypothesis that Elders, Ancestors, and Skids are all connected to the stars in some capacity, it wouldn’t be nonsensical to think the capes had some kinda ability to fly

also yeah, that would make sense with the direction this is going in, Oz

[hushed steeple]

Do you think our capes are different from the ancestors?

[lethal stump]

but then of course, why don’t the elders have capes

yes tsadi has a cape but it’s not a flappy cape like ours/ancestors’

[compact olive]

Okay. In this line of thinking all cosmetics are “headcanon” or just the capes?

[hushed steeple]

Cause we use winged light but they don't have that, I think

Cause when we first play sky, we go to isle and find winged light, which gives us our cape for the first time

but considering our recent hypothesis that Elders, Ancestors, and Skids are all connected to the stars in some capacity, it wouldn’t be nonsensical to think the capes had some kinda ability to fly
what hypothesis? do you have a message link?

[lethal stump]

indeed
idk, my view of this funky theory is that the fabric is imbued with light somehow
this is just us messing around

it was a series of messages

let me try to find it

#lore-discussion-spoilers message
this is about the culmination of it all

[hushed steeple]

But is it made of fabric? When we die we lose our cape

Idk

[fierce spade]

it can be diferent for both

[hushed steeple]

Maybe its pure light

an interesting detail when our light is drained, it initiate from the top to bottom rather than from the source to the top

[lethal stump]

oh, true sani
maybe the ancestors have light capes like we do

[hushed steeple]

Yeah maybe

[lethal stump]

afterall, the spirits themselves are light

they aren’t physical beings

even if they once were in their lives

if they even were

[fierce spade]

I think its logical to assume that what is now a spirit was once alive

[frail hearth]

But is it made of fabric? When we die we lose our cape
i feel like it's made of winged light, it goes away only when we lose them

with them i mean the WL)

[fierce spade]

unless you look at things from an animism/related beilief POV

[hushed steeple]

But that could also mean skykids capes are made of pure light, which could explain why we can charge it. But the ancestors capes were both material binded with light, which is could explain why they needed other means to charge their capes.

[fierce spade]

but they all seem to have been actual people rather than concepts/things given a personification

[lethal stump]

oh, i was saying what if spirits weren’t physical in their lives
although thinking of it now it doesn’t make sense lmao

[hushed steeple]

Maybe when die their souls become stars?

[fierce spade]

yeah thats what my thought usually was before coming to the theory chat

[thorn trout]

That's what Orbit suggests. Somewhat?

[fierce spade]

what IS orbit??? like is it explained somewhere?

[lethal stump]

and thus we circle back to my comparison with ancient greek mythos

[thorn trout]

I mean, they die. They definitely aren't stars, not like the elders. and yet, you see them in orbit too.

[hushed steeple]

Cause they were actual living people who had lives, had children. But when they die they go "back" to megan and their soul becomes a star as a memory

[fierce spade]

honestly you can compare sky to several diferent mythos and spiritualities

[thorn trout]

Oriaan, have you gone through Eden??

[fierce spade]

yes

I juts went thru my 6th time lmao

[lethal stump]

it’s a Big Floaty Thing In The Sky

[fierce spade]

ohhh is orbit like

[thorn trout]

Oh sorry i completely misinterpreted what you said XD

[frail hearth]

thinking about it, spirits are in a constellation, and what are constellations? stars together

[fierce spade]

the place with the door?

[lethal stump]

part of me feeling like orbit is a nebula
it seems to be where everything star-related comes from or returns to

[compact olive]

They are stars

[frail hearth]

i think orbit is or is inside megabird

[lethal stump]

circlehead spaghetti monster

[fierce spade]

I think orbit is where you would find megabird rather

Megabird is some weird creator deity type figure in my view point, kind of primordial in a sense

[lethal stump]

we see her(?) looking down on orbit, it seems, so i feel like she’s outside of it

orbit is only a tiny nebula in the entire universe that is her realm

[thorn trout]

I always figured that thing of light we go into IS a part of Megabird.

[hushed steeple]

but why would she be only a subset of her own realm?

[compact olive]

Orbit is the peak of the beacon. It’s exactly what it’s named after. A planet’s orbit. That’s why there’s still hints of blue. The atmosphere below

[hushed steeple]

nevermind

[lethal stump]

subset ? i’m saying she’s the size of the universe, and orbit is tiny compared to her

[compact olive]

Megabird is shown to be passed the orbit.

[hushed steeple]

but the form she takes is less than of her realm

it could be not this is our perception of her, as we can not comprehend fully

that*

[lethal stump]

i think the credits scene is the closest we can get to showing she’s the size of the universe
planets pale in comparison to her

[hushed steeple]

if she was the size of the universe we wouldn't be able to view her, because we are inside of her universe

[thorn trout]

Megabird is. Everything, basically

[lethal stump]

that’s what the credits scene is
zooming out to see the universe

we can’t see her in her full form outside of the credits bc we are « in » her so to speak

[hushed steeple]

but you can not do that within a location inside the universe

[compact olive]

If we are trying to look at it realistically, a Star child is the size of a child. A manta is the size of a manta.... each one of these spirits makes up a portion of her body... she’s huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge.

If you look at her compared to a planet... you know how many mantas and kids it would take to make that light visible?

[hushed steeple]

we can’t see her in her full form outside of the credits bc we are « in » her so to speak
yeah, so there would be no way of knowing her real form

subset ? i’m saying she’s the size of the universe, and orbit is tiny compared to her

[lethal stump]

the closest we have is the credits scene, and before we get anything more, this is what we have

[thorn trout]

We are all just living inside Megan

[lethal stump]

anyways, gotta peace
ttyl

[thorn trout]

...Which sounds weird out of context

[hushed steeple]

but you can not say she is the size of the universe

because we wouldnt be able to know that

[compact olive]

I don’t think she has a specific form (only what we interpret the shape of the toilet flushing motion as a bird) because we ARE her.

It’s like a skin cell trying to comprehend what a human nose looks like

[hushed steeple]

yeah Oz

Ok so, are the elders the "gods" or is megan the "god"?

cause the elders seem to have their roles, so maybe they're demigods?

But then what is megan?

Is she just a celestial body, the mother of the gods?

[fierce spade]

it could be both in the way that megan is a primordial entity creator deity and the elders have come from megan yet are still deities

the concept of a deity has alot of variations throughout various cultures and thus the way they work and are organized does as well

[compact olive]

Elders are (if a hierarchy is being taken into account) “larger” stars than the ancestor stars.

[hushed steeple]

Hm yeah

[compact olive]

Megan/Megabird are ALL of the stars

[hushed steeple]

She is us, we are her

[compact olive]

An ancestor star might be a toe nail on a foot 🦶. The elder star might be the foot on that leg 🦵...Megan is a running 🏃‍♀️ person

[hushed steeple]

:O

[frail hearth]

alright i get it now, good explanation lmao

[hushed steeple]

Lol

[dapper copper]

so there was king, corrupted king, prince, corrupted prince, strange light kid

i saw on concept art

[thorn trout]

Hello lurking sky moth. You wanna talk about Alef/Resh? 😄

[compact olive]

Corrupted prince?

[frail hearth]

wait corrupted prince 👀

[compact olive]

🤔

[dapper copper]

yes

there was prince (normal)

[fierce spade]

Is all concept art confirmed canon tho?

[dapper copper]

and a black

idk

but

if i remember good

[fierce spade]

is it on Tom Zhao's site?

[hushed steeple]

Was it explicitly referred to as corrupt prince tho?

Not all I believe

[frail hearth]

this one?

or

[dapper copper]

yeah

but there ws second

[frail hearth]

do you have it anywhere

or

[hushed steeple]

How do you make a text spoilers?

[dapper copper]

in 7 days of sky elders on twitter

[compact olive]

Please show

[hushed steeple]

This one?

How do you cover a text?

[frail hearth]

no need for spoilers here lol

[hushed steeple]

Oh

[dapper copper]

other

[frail hearth]

but || on each side of the text

[dapper copper]

wait

[hushed steeple]

Well i was gonna ask something about the next season thats why

!textspoiler

[pastel brook]

To spoiler tag text, highlight your text and select “Mark as spoiler”, or type || on either side of your text ||like this||

[frail hearth]

beta ain't allowed

[hushed steeple]

Oh ok

[dapper copper]

this one on one of the elder photos

This one?
@hushed steeple oops yes on the photos ar these concepts

[frail hearth]

bro their mask was so pretty,,,

[dapper copper]

yeah

[pastel brook]

bruh... talking about hacks and hackers is against the rules @dapper copper

[dapper copper]

they are hiding it

in the files

[frail hearth]

HUH

[dapper copper]

i can't type who found this light mask

[fierce spade]

I mean its entirely possible that those are diferent states of the same character and what not

or just drafts, or stuff to make sillouhete(idk ow to spell smh) easier

[frail hearth]

also what the bot said, talking bout datamining and stuff is against the rules

[fierce spade]

alot of the stuff in concept art isn't rlly lore stuff, like alot of it is but alot of is just character design stuff

[dapper copper]

momo sky found giant king's or prince's mask statue in eden oob

[frail hearth]

oh yeah that's interesting

[hushed steeple]

Concepts aren't necessarily canon, so we can't really base our theories on that

[fierce spade]

I mean its fun to do so

but like

alot of it isn't rlly even stuff that can be used based on it just being character design work

[frail hearth]

i was thinking of it being a big statue or their actual mask

[hushed steeple]

What was the exact text that said the prince/king was not there in the way we think?

[fierce spade]

I just found an image literally called backstory timeline

I-

[compact olive]

Wait where’s the corrupted prince?!

[fierce spade]

it may not be confirmed canon but its something solid for once

[hushed steeple]

What image?

We don't know

[fierce spade]

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5cf9836e9d1c5200018df596/1582059389689-8VVFCJVTZVFNN20KLTL6/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kAJy8NRcaWpNxDUNKCRC_6wUqsxRUqqbr1mOJYKfIPR7LoDQ9mXPOjoJoqy81S2I8N_N4V1vUb5AoIIIbLZhVYwL8IeDg6_3B-BRuF4nNrNcQkVuAT7tdErd0wQFEGFSnNWM-hYzvtA31M-NjzChZe9Vzaoq-u37vdO2D9ks0eWJVG1IsIotL-W0ozXbcGCdow/133b_Sky.jpg?format=2500w

wait ew

leme just

[hushed steeple]

Ohh

[fierce spade]

yeah ✨

[compact olive]

He’s a king in that story when he’s corrupted

[hushed steeple]

Yeah i remember that

[lethal stump]

oh, that backstory is no longer canon
it’s a good jumping off point tho

[fierce spade]

my day is ruined and my dissapointment is immeasurable

[lethal stump]

Old Backstory Timeline
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DN92-hX2v3nPxc215W2K7YWnmCYTUtGXYTX5uLKq620/edit
i transcribed it

[fierce spade]

im gonna read it with the ✨prtty pictures✨

so wait was ALLLLLLLL of it scrapped?

[dapper copper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=724Fd53mzPY&t=80s

explain this

[lethal stump]

we don’t know ALLLLLL of it was scrapped
but in general it’s not canon

[dapper copper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWgBaeR90Pw

[short owl]

Not all scrapped, but nothing we can trust to be cannon

[dapper copper]

and this

[lethal stump]

it’s not the current story