Oh now i cant see them
#lore-discussion-spoilers
thorn trout
Also. I'm still a little confused about the pendant, if anyone could pity me
lethal stump
it’s the necklace that adventure pass holders wear
hushed thorn
Nvm i think it was a glitch
lethal stump
also the symbol on seasonal candols
hushed thorn
ehen i took a picture they disapear
thorn trout
Ahhhhh
'Kay, cool. Thx!
lethal stump
for example, this is the enchantment pendant uwu
thorn trout
Oh, plus
Did you guys notice the weird glowing face in the prophecy preview?
It looks like something that could be worn as a mask-face, so one of the spirits probably carries it.
thorn trout
Circle
kindred oar
If I allowed to talk about the pendant, I do think the new symbol signify our true direction
lethal stump
it could also be connected with the Prince/King, considering that’s his mask 
thorn trout
Are you talking to me or Sync?
But makes sense
hushed thorn
Circle circle
lethal stump
i was talking to sync
solar relic
considering that we have 'light' inside us (game addresses it to us, saying 'your light') i wonder if it signifies that the king/prince is inside us somehow? 
kindred oar
My friend and I think it's either the first light or King/prince related that somehow connected to us
Yeah I think so, we are his descendants
thorn trout
I was thinking about that! The King and Prince are certainly not around, but I think they have something to do with the children of the light.
kindred oar
Or we are him but just in another form
lethal stump
king has children 
?
thorn trout
...King has children now
He's not alive to argue it
hushed thorn
Is there a canon doc that i can see?
lethal stump
as someone who sees the king as a 14 year old in a mech that greatly disturbs me
Canon Lore Doc message link
#lore-discussion-spoilers message
kindred oar
My theory is that sky kids are like steven universe (if you guys know the show) So the King has become us in another form
thorn trout
As you can see I am a person that takes our lore VERY seriously.
(Not)
kindred oar
that's what I think
hushed steeple
quick question...where can I get info on King/Prince. the docs in the pins talk about them but I'm still confused 
thorn trout
Yeah-
Actually, that's a valid question. Skychildren definitely aren't like the spirits. So like. Where the hell do we come from.
lethal stump
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this has a summary, Totoro
hushed steeple
ive read that, but like how do you know about king? where can i find him in game? or is t n the concept art?
lethal stump
thorn trout
Oh wow
I never saw the art before.
That's certainly an interesting concept
hushed steeple
thank you so much 
lethal stump
pins are your friend
thorn trout
I'm checking the size comparisons and
HOW LARGE IS HE
thorn trout
...Dear lord
solar relic
yep the sizes are pretty unclear rn since the statues vary in size
oh my null what is that text wall about?
short owl
I wrote new crackpot theory, but don't want to interrupt any real convo
short owl
Soo crackpot theory time!
Megan isn't the one causing the time loop. That's Aleph.
The Eden Diamond is pretty bad, but imagine if it was at full charge. BOOM. Entire world ripped apart with nowhere to hide levels of bad.
This was not something found through theory, but rather something found through practice.
So, if Aleph has time powers, why not just stop it? Well... He tried. Unfortunatly, he never actually learned his powers. All he knows is that he triggers them at the moment of his own destruction.
His last ditch effort to save everyone was to summon the dark clouds and create as much storm and darkness as possible to block off the crystal's power source.
Except... This was done without alerting Megan, and on a very short timeframe. Not even the other elders have the full story. Naturally, Megan saw the unnatural storm and tried to help combat it, sabotaging Aleph's efforts.
Aleph of course was obligated to fight back and destined to lose. But Aleph was not destroyed during combat, so time moves forward.
The elders piece together the situation, and lock Eden down as best they can. We enter the picture carrying fragments Aleph lost battling the crystal and Megan. We make it to Eden, deliver the fragments to remnants of failed attempts to stop the ending of everything, and enter the crystal, adding even more fuel.
Aleph loses. It really is that simple. That hug is the moment of destruction. But he brings us back with him, to the day before destruction. We gather souls of spirits and deliver to them energy so they can also return to the past with us. From then, he returns to fighting the storm and we escape to Orbit.
Save the elders too, and we can begin giving Aleph the ultimate gift he needs to not be trapped in a time loop: closure.
He can't let go until the maximum damage that can be done is brought under control.
Until then, he will be destroyed over and over and over...
thorn trout
Amazing
But also please stop making me sadder over this lore than I should be :'(
(Joking.)
short owl
Oh Megan I just made it worse: we bring them back in time... But the orriginals are still clearly there... Hopefully that's just because they come back when we do...
dense umbra
About the harvesting of the dark mater, I've been seeing pics of this isle boat a lot & reminded me of dark plants we burn, do you think they used to gather dark plants seeds & transferring them on these boats?
If I may ask
hushed steeple
i guess I have a lot of reading to do to catch up to all you lore aficionados 
short owl
I lack answer, sorry
dim maple
Wow, corrupted king really looks like a krill
At the end of vault, there's a picture of somebody eating something that looks like what's on that little boat
lethal stump
that’s the eden elder, most people think it’s either the Prince or the King
dim maple
Maybe the crystals that contain light are made out of dark plants
hushed steeple
My brain blows up every time I open this chat
lethal stump
solemn olive
What do sky kids eat
sturdy cobalt
Well they don’t have mouths so they probably cant eat
solemn olive
They’re eyes are always closed too (or they don’t have them) but they see
sturdy cobalt
Hhm ur right 
proper mirage
sky kids masks seem like theyre made out of clay
hushed steeple
Alright skids y'all all know that one child spirit in valley right well I think i found his dad
lethal stump
a family 
solemn olive
Sadness
lethal stump
also yes, skykid masks are made of stone
short owl
... Wait the child doesn't have their own memory to relive
... Oh no
No wonder the sightseer keeps returning. It's not about the view...
rain scarab
yeet
sleek sail
...
hushed steeple
The child is with the mom in the moms memory where the kid jumps on her shoulders and they look at the race tracks on the edge of a flipping cliff I'll see if I have the memory pics
short owl
That's not what I'm "oh no" ing...
quaint veldt
Wait I have an idea. What if we were to take screen shots of all the cave-painting things in sky. We’d start in isle, and then put all of the different paintings in order. Would it tell a story? Or are all of the individual realms separate? Or does something like this already exist haha
lethal stump
the murals in sky don’t tell a linear story
trust me, ive read them multiple times
quaint veldt
Ah never mind
hushed steeple
It doesn't really tell the story it just kinda shoves random knowledge at ya like I wanna know what happened to the spirit and the paintings be like nope just gonna show you random stick figures praying and stars falling
lethal stump
the most story one could gleem is « light (???) fall from sky and people like it a whole lot. now there’s boats with pots going towards a temple and oh damn now there’s MAGIC oh hi elders »
in order of realm of course
quaint veldt
Haha
hushed steeple
Not dising the murals they are awesome it just leaves a lot of lore discussing oppurtunities
low quail
Aren't the sky kid mimic those spirits with the cosmetics and emotes? Are we seeing at the temples just a vision from a past life, maybe the first?
lethal stump
pardon ?
hushed steeple
Wait a second don't you have to have a MOUTH to blow into a flute
lethal stump
but we have hjonk
hushed steeple
How would it work then I'm curious
sharp kiln
sinful anvil
yall im dum but how is it “not about the view”? she lost the child? does that mean the relieving bit is like the spirit’s past but the part where u watch the cutscene is like the spirit’s past but a few months later? then doesnt that change the whole nature of memory relieving?
ik it must b obvious for u guys but i thought i had it figured out until someone said yeet and that threw me off
sinful anvil
ancestor spirits dont have nose and mouth also
lethal stump
the spirits we relive
hushed steeple
So logic is thrown on wind instruments
I swear if they come out with a sneeze emote
It would be so darn cute
thin dirge
With the murals in Vault Cutscene, maybe they dont tell us anything, but it probably did for the skid.
The ost during that cutscene is called "The story thus far"
I think the skid found out about stuff during that cutscene, but for us, its vague
That's how I interpreted that cutscene at least
lethal stump
- shakes my skid * WHAT ARE YOU HIDING LIDDOL CLAY CHILD
thin dirge
That moment when you realise a child knows more than you-
short owl
Eh. That doesn't make a moment particularly noteable
Also Brick, your skid has probably tried to tell you
You just don't speak honk
short owl
Watch as it turns out the skid's name was actually Megan this whole time
frail hearth
and then there is me, who has 8 sky ocs and uses them all at the same time
hushed steeple
Hi hi!! I’m kinda new to sky so please excuse if I get some things incorrectly! But having finished all the kingdoms and having went back multiple times to visit the elder spirits, it’s no doubt that the Valley elder twins seem much younger than the rest of the kingdoms elders. All elders are dead as we know and i can’t help but ponder why and how they died. Some are aware of the trick to do to visit the elders in the valley and having it did once or twice, I realized that behind the pedestal, there’s a broken bridge. This doesn’t seem like a design glitch and seems to be done on purpose. So perhaps they had fallen? They don’t have a cape so it’d be impossible for them to save themselves. Under the area there’s water which would make me believe that they either drowned or got swept away with the currents to perhaps wasteland. Sky kids can’t drown but rain hurts them?? Im very confused on that so you can disregard my first theory if you’d like. They seemed to die at the same time though, seeing as their bodies are at the same condition. I could be completely wrong mind you and would love to hear if anyone knows the answer or has other theories!
lethal stump
i don’t want to be That Guy, your theory sounds cool, but technically the elders are neither dead nor alive
short owl
That does not mean that bridge is innocent. It deserves recognition because IT IS SUSPICIOUS
sinful anvil
how are the elders dead when part of our task is to give them the light???
hushed steeple
WAA you have a point, again I apologize that I got it wrong
lethal stump
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you might find this useful, Bonjour
primal verge
Elders exist out of time and space (in oob)))
hushed steeple
Thank you so much!! 🙏🏼
silver sequoia
Have I missed anything
thin dirge
My interpretation is that the Elders are technically dead, which is why they are beyond space and time when we meet them in their shrines
bold knot
Why elders dont have cape?
thin dirge
They probably don't have the same abilities like us
The only Elder that seems to have a cape is the Prince (well, if he is an Elder-)
lethal stump
even then he has a poncho, not a cape 
thin dirge
He still flies with us tho
In concept storyline
I still think its a poncho that turns into a cape when he flies
devout atlas
:Q hi... I'm not good at eng,,,and just joined now... what is this chatting server for?😂😂sorry
thin dirge
To talk about the story of Sky
lethal stump
the story of the game, and what came before it
bold knot
Theories
lethal stump
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this should help you uwu
devout atlas
thank youuuu I'll read it slowly kkkk
blazing terrace
So I was going back through the concept art, and I noticed that the concept Memory Call spirit looks an awful lot like our current Frightened Refugee. (and yes I know concept bird call does too shhh)
So (half serious) theory, that Frightened Refugee had backstory as a vault spirit before getting stuck in wasteland?
(And here’s concept bird call )
alpine cliff
Hi
lyric isle
I’ve been thinking about this for a while.
Excuse me ramming head-first into the wall to get a picture
This resembles the Vault lift’s bottom quite a bit...
also this caught my eye today
silver sequoia
Huh... Are those jars at the top of the arch?
thin kiln
Yep
fossil oxide
hey guys I have a theory
maybe the kid we hug at the end is like megan`s real world avatar
or a user interface thingie
for megan
only its alive
bitter shale
what if those jar drawing is marks for jars storagem
that cave is used as jar storage?
red vortex
Helo
and the boats r for transporting the jars
@fossil oxide
This jars r for some kind of smuggling?
What do they smuggles
proper mirage
butterflies lol
lyric isle
The jars are definitely heavy
this looks very painful ohxoyxiychixiyxti
boreal nebula
what if those jar drawing is marks for jars storagem
@bitter shale that's what I call it afterall, warehouse cave, notice that eblem/symbol long ago
lyric isle
That’d make sense.
silver sequoia
Yeah
boreal nebula
Have you notice that there are little darkplants there, but they are not burnable?
I think they died out because the butterflies in those jars were freed long ago
proud shell
Or maybe they were never freed and they died
silver sequoia
That spirit is guarded by the forest gate, correct?
hybrid oxide
Maybe the butterflies all absorbed, so that's why those plants aren't burnable
boreal nebula
After all we can have different spots where they eat light from lightcreatures
fossil oxide
sorry for going off topic but in the 2 shields theory, could the sunburst guys be the eden loyalists and the "sunbursts" are not sunbursts but the king symbol?
and the diamond symbol is for the first 3 realms trying to get access to more diamonds? the evidence for this is that in wasteland, the "sunbursts" seem to be trying to protect the temple....
right?
boreal nebula
Maybe the butterflies all absorbed, so that's why those plants aren't burnable
@hybrid oxide I dont think so. There is a case of a plant (well, a group of many big bulbs) are burnable and free butterflies in GW. And lots of plants burnable not releasing them.
My theory (which I never got the time to document) is that butterflies are easily diggested by plants, even passively (from outside a sealed jar) and later on plants can catch medium-bigger lightcreatures (tiny jellyfish & mantas) slowly draining their life/light (mostly passively) even if not fulling ingest them( like with small butterflies in bulbs/pods)
Just a semisirious theory before going to sleep:
Candle are skykids' DNA
🧬 🔬
🕯️ 🕯️
lethal stump
charge your dang phone !
balmy estuary
so many hearts and candles,,,
boreal nebula
My phone will sleep soon with the outlet
Thanks 🕯️ I am preparing for next TS
They arent this many, but it's my little Pressssious
Gtg. 
hushed steeple
Right. So here's a potential theory, and I may be way off on this, but I'm getting this mainly from "Darkness blinds" in the intro cinematic.
The King ruled in the sky over the Elders and Ancestor spirits in harmony. There was prosperity, etc. But then, the Prince got greedy. Perhaps wanting power for himself, personifying the antithesis to the game's theme. And the Elders followed, lured in by the promise of more power, prestige, etc. And darkness grew.
Perhaps at this point a sort of civil war broke out? Hashed out in the Wasteland. And having enough of the Elders, the King sent them down to the clouds.
And since then, the Elders desperately tried getting back up to the heavens. Perhaps some of the elders didn't want to? Possible that the Wasteland war broke out around this time. But they were still acting in their own self interests while gathering power and wealth amongst themselves individually.
And after strengthening their own civilizations, made a collective attempt at getting back out of the clouds in Eden with the help of the Prince, which ultimately failed miserably.
lethal stump
i love your theory
solemn olive
I do too
bitter shale
hmm
lethal stump
unfortunately darkness blinds is no longer canon, but hey it don’t matter bc theories dont have to be bound by canon
bitter shale
what is taht marking tho
lethal stump
hmm
old beta thing, made inactive due to game/story clutter
hushed steeple
Hmm, well it was worth a shot, but still
bitter shale
still i wonder what it was
lethal stump
here’s the moment ktjn broke my liddol lore heart
hushed steeple
Helloo, may I ask what vault means in the life cycle? Or can anyone give me the link of all the realms' life cycle symbolism. I'm doing it for a project
lethal stump
Dawn: Birth
Prairie: Childhood
Forest: Adolescence
Valley: Young adulthood
Wasteland: Midlife
Vault: Old age
Eden: Death
lethal stump
lethal stump
ktjn screenshots breaking lore hearts
green tartan
:000
hushed steeple
the truth hurts
bitter shale
okay so to access this place in prairie, we need to complete at least a spirit in forest conste
for what reason?
to access all of this places at least
lethal stump
imo i don’t consider constellation gates lore related
bitter shale
huh ._. still questionable tho-
median stone
Why not prairie or isle
bitter shale
yea
kindred oar
I was having the same question yesterday, when doing cr
frail hearth
now is when the stupid theory i've been typing for like an hour comes in
kindred oar
I guess because forest is the place where they made things, they also have a place in prairie
bitter shale
likely to store stuff taht will send to forest?
median stone
Maybe they sell some light power to forest?!
bitter shale
huh... that can be :oo
kindred oar
Isn't it kinda curious why the place is very small? It's like they are working secretly
bitter shale
i mean Ayin (prairie elder) can made light creature from light... and they store those creatures in a jar
butterfly
frail hearth
alright so in my theory prairie and forest fought for power (the diamonds), all i can think of now is of them becoming allies and exporting things to each other [i like to think that's why there are some doors that require light to be opened, like forest's gates]
bitter shale
yeah, its small too! its can be ignored easily id yoi didnt look closely
median stone
So don't worry butterfly can be used.... Because they are part of light.... Not just normal creature.... Maybe its not so cruel thing to do
frail hearth
excuse me if i say something wrong i'm kinda tired ajsgdg
median stone
But it's nor weird at all
frail hearth
:']
silver sequoia
I mean, we know that forest wasn't the best place for the spirits there. And light restores us, so maybe that area on Prarie could be like a storage for a light supply heading to forest?
bitter shale
well i eo agree with ayin and teth performing alliance... but Ayin fought for more power? that dude looks too pure to search for more power
frail hearth
everyone's got a bad side
silver sequoia
Wolf in sheep's clothing
bitter shale
nimble harbor
bitter shale
also... for prairie to sought more light power is quiet... unsuitable? that place called as daylight prairie for a reason anyway ._.
the light is literally overflowing there, why they need more light?
median stone
Yeah they don't fought I think...
frail hearth
✨ technology ✨
bitter shale
why they just no invent solar panel-
frail hearth
butt
median stone
Instead of finishing petroleums...
bitter shale
persuade... might be a better word
i cant imagine teth as a meanie to ayin aaa
frail hearth
ok this is dumb but
median stone
Hahahah as I know from concept maybe teth just a seducer
frail hearth
what if the king was leading prairie people without ayin knowing
median stone
Leading to where?
frail hearth
Hatsgshdhs
bitter shale
oh!! now thats an interesting take!
median stone
His corrupted mind leading people to war.....
bitter shale
what if its like this:
the people of prairie love Ayin as their leader, but they more respect the King since... well, he is the king. so when the king ask them to do something behind Ayin's back they didnt hestitate to comply, since they think what King's want is for a good decision for Ayin too
frail hearth
maybe
bitter shale
they more looking at Ayin as their parental figure instead as their leader?
who knows aaa
nimble harbor
that's interesting
kindred oar
Hey guys, what is the difference between elder manta and the big whale (?)? Does the whale are more stronger than the elder manta or sumn
lethal stump
whales and mantas seem to be different species, just like irl
bitter shale
they both are chonky bois
modest finch
If they were the same irl I'd be terrified
kindred oar
Oh yeah that's right. i thought the whale is more ancient than manta sumn like that
bitter shale
they are both ancient, maybe? i mean, they already exist long before us
kindred oar
Yeah that's true
median stone
They are cousin
fossil oxide
prob not
ancient fish and sharks are veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery distant cousins
guys I think the reason all the light creatures are intangible is because they r literally made of light…..
but they do have a circular shadow so we can assume there is a circular core in the animals that acts like a power cell
and this core is what we "ride"
and recharge from
lethal stump
circle shadows are the easiest to make in a game
lethal stump
- clears throat *
LETS PLAYYYYY
GAME MECHS VS LORE !
hushed steeple
french / français here?
pastel brookBOT
We ask everyone to please post only in English on this server, @hushed steeple. Unfortunately, moderators and staff aren't able to support all the languages spoken by our global Sky family.
mortal viper
guys I think the reason all the light creatures are intangible is because they r literally made of light…..
This is stated in the canon doc, i I am not mistaken
fossil oxide
yeah.....
my point was
they do have a circular shadow so we can assume there is a circular core in the animals that acts like a power cell and this core is what we "ride" and recharge from
the rest of the animal doesn't have a shadow because ….
well its light
like the cosmetics
mortal viper
well, thats an interesting theory
tho I think I'll stick with game mechanics for this one
hushed steeple
wut we talkin bout
fossil oxide
if the " game mech " thing is to work we have to assume that there is a real sky universe and our devices are just instruments to show us what is going on in the kingdom of sky
not like real life real....
u know what I mean
hollow orbit
what
solar relic
????
fossil oxide
so if the visuals in the game can be blamed on game mechanics, it would mean that mantas really have manta shaped shadows and so on....
which would mean that the sky game may not be how the kingdom of sky really looks like
lethal stump
i think i understand what you’re trying to say
fossil oxide
if we are to discuss lore, we need to treat sky as if it really exists in a galaxy far far away
mortal viper
not really...
hushed steeple
fossil oxide
and for the game mechanics thing to work we need to think of the things we see in the game as representations of the real sky kingdom
mortal viper
not everything is a tolkien universe, where every leaf has it's story
fossil oxide
I`m not saying that
mortal viper
I know
hushed steeple
i thought we were talking about why light creatures dont have shadows like how you cant see the cape of skykids or their accessories
but the birds do have shadows
mortal viper
but usin your own analogy, if the sky game is not the same as it would be as real, maybe our devices are limited
but for now
fossil oxide
yup
mortal viper
let us please just stick to lore
hushed steeple
fossil oxide
this is the lore....
hushed steeple
im trying my best 
fossil oxide
so like our devices might be visual windows into the sky universe in the lore of sky
like magic orbs
hushed steeple
that doesnt make any sense
fossil oxide
it kinda does?
hushed steeple
its a game not a universe
bitter shale
Like the 4th window?
Look, we see sky as a game vut what if sky is actually a universe?
fossil oxide
I get it wixies
bitter shale
Fufu, now this is interesting
lethal stump
dépends on how you look at it
i see it as a story to figure out, not something that « exists »
fossil oxide
but we control the s kids in sky
fossil oxide
we control the s kids in sky so there must be some connection between our world and the kingdom or sky
round pulsar
They needed a way to make them conscious and able to see, hear and feel
hushed steeple
did i miss koma's theory?
lethal stump
this might not be Undertale, Pyre
not all games have a meta connection
hushed steeple
good
lethal stump
it’s a game that breaks the fourth wall
lethal stump
all you need to know for this comparison, frankly
fossil oxide
ok
hushed steeple
ew starwars
fossil oxide
?
lethal stump
my point is, not all games have to break the fourth wall or have a connection with « our » world
they might just...be a story that the devs wanted to tell
and sky seems like the latter
fossil oxide
yeah but from the point of view of the ppl who live in sky
how do u control the s kids?
from earth
round pulsar
You’re not playing as the spirit, you are the skykid
hushed steeple
i just wanted to talk about theories im so confused 
lethal stump
i cant tell if you’re trying to disconnect this game from earth or connect it and frankly i’m too afraid to ask
mortal viper
this is no longer lore, pyre
fossil oxide
but for the game mechanics argument to work we have to control the s kids
and see it from our devices
hushed steeple
bruh i-
mortal viper
no, pyre
hushed steeple
mortal viper
pretend the game is a book
lethal stump
fossil oxide
u get my confusion....
hushed steeple
any game where music and in-game sounds can not be toggled off is too suspicious to not contain a catalyst or parable in its score, has anyone brought the OST yet, maybe should analyze it in depth
mortal viper
you don't control the characters in the way of a puppeteer
fossil oxide
u dont?
lethal stump
the OST, yes, i have thoughts about that
round pulsar
You play as the character, you can hear their heartbeat, you can customize them, talk through them, emote through them
The character is basically a vessel for the player
hushed steeple
i think you are taking this too literally pyro, just like I once did
lethal stump
(sky is classified as a roleplaying game btw)
solar relic
i've been listening to the ost too many times to make my leitmotif notes i think i've replayed it about 30 times now?
hushed steeple
ive never been like obsessed with a game becoming a universe so im just confused
lethal stump
please grace us with your leitmotifs, Res
hushed steeple
im going to google that word
fossil oxide
what do you call it when a ghost invades your body?
hushed steeple
oh its because im not musical
lethal stump
musical patterns, wixie
hushed steeple
what do you call it when a ghost invades your body?
@fossil oxide call a psychiatrist because if you believe that you're a lunatic
jk
fossil oxide
no like we are doing that to the s kid
round pulsar
The only thing I noticed is the “Light Beyond” score repeats itself throughout the OST in a lot of different tracks
fossil oxide
right?
fossil oxide
no?
hushed steeple
we are the skykid
fossil oxide
You play as the character, you can hear their heartbeat, you can customize them, talk through them, emote through them
@round pulsar but.... this is the definition of that
hushed steeple
the skykid has no ability to move by themselves or control themselves
fossil oxide
you are borrowing them
@mortal viper
hushed steeple
the skykid is soulless and emotionless without us
lethal stump
it’s a roleplaying game, pyre
like DnD
you are playing your skid
round pulsar
If you go AFK, the skykid goes into meditation position and can’t move it do anything
hushed steeple
any character is simply a object that represent you, the player. when you read a book, you are not present in the narrative of the book, you are merely an observer. (basically you can think of every game as a framework/abstraction laid on top of a god game)
you're not a god in this game controlling people
you're only controlling yourself
round pulsar
You can only control your own skykid, your own body
fossil oxide
brb
hushed steeple
sure you can give your skykid personality whatever make it an rpg idk
fossil oxide
oh and yes 150 wixies
solar relic
@round pulsar
the light beyond iirc has the two main leitmotifs of sky i think? it has at least one - the one you hear everywhere realms
fossil oxide
im saying if the s kid is a shell and we are the soul what connects us to the s kid?
the skykid is soulless and emotionless without us
@hushed steeple
lethal stump
it’s our character
hushed steeple
skykids arent real
round pulsar
The s kid is our connection to the Sky world
hushed steeple
we dont have to pretend they exist to understand the lore
or like try to be a skykid to understand what's happening in the game
fossil oxide
I thought we need to see things from the point of view of an inhabitant of sky.....
hushed steeple
reminder skykids are the aftermath after all the ancestors are gone
round pulsar
@fossil oxide yes
mortal viper
skids don't understand what's happening. just look at vault.
lethal stump
ive been seeing this from a historian/book fanatic’s perspective since i got here so i dunno what you’re on about
hushed steeple
i meant it like locally to your character, so god game -> make yourself not omnipotent -> make yourself not omnipresent -> zoom in to only a skykid and you get the perspective of sky
if that makes any sense
round pulsar
So the inhabitants of Sky are all dead, so the skids have to piece together their understanding from what they know from the spirits and elders
mortal viper
and we always have to take into account that they are just kids
round pulsar
They don’t know much, and that’s probably good
Maybe they were made that way to prevent them from making the same mistakes the Elders made
mortal viper
their view of the world might be different from what it would look like, like in the sense of sizes for example
hushed steeple
not every story is necessarily a world, or a slice of a world, but you can look at it that way though a lot of problems arise
median stone
Hulla what discussion is goin on
bitter shale
Qre we asking about the meaning of life now?
hushed steeple
42
round pulsar
Going back to what we were talking about earlier, the original concept of Sky shows the player crossing over from a modern Earth city into the realm of Sky
So maybe we were called upon by the elders to play as the skids and give them consciousness
hushed steeple
where?
also bluespirit, i wanted to ask you something about sky biology if that is ok
mortal viper
Going back to what we were talking about earlier, the original concept of Sky shows the player crossing over from a modern Earth city into the realm of Sky
Really? I thought the only modern city shown was former Vault
golden cave
We are the kids and turn to Skykids in games
hushed steeple
i think they made them kids because kids arent the kind to understand pain (yet) or something like that so they're wholesome and pure and just want to help the best they can without realizing that they're getting old with the r e a l m s
lethal stump
isle & home were formally irl
golden cave
Almost like when we entering this game
, we can see the pure heart of child....
round pulsar
@hushed steeple They were made to be compassionate beings that help others
trim grail
Random but has anyone else noticed/have a theory as to why you always get 7 cape wedges after you hug the light child in the Eden death cutscene?
golden cave
Bebes owwooo cuuutaaaaaa
hushed steeple
disclaimer: not all kids are pure and half of them will eat your soul
round pulsar
golden cave
Also 7 has been discussed yesterday it still special number for all things
trim grail
This is like. My third time in this channel lmao but I thought it could have a lore-related reason
hushed steeple
I like to think Eden is what was left after the king and elders fell
golden cave
Eat our soul like puss in boots
solar relic
it could just be 7 as that's the amount of wl you can get without buffs and seasonal area wl perhaps?
who knows
hushed steeple
or the king abandoned the elders?
golden cave
@solar relic it should be
hushed steeple
man i love theories 
round pulsar
@hushed steeple There are lots of castle-like structures in the ascent to Orbit
round pulsar
And the Eden constellation is a crown...
hushed steeple
i like to think the king caused the stuff in eden and when he abandoned the elders, they all fell and made skykids to try and fix things
golden cave
In my head canon everyone lives in Eden at first...but then they were separated
hushed steeple
im pretty sure skykids start at orbit
hushed steeple
if u look up you see skykid constellation when in orbit
i dont know whether to interpret the ending of sky a tragedy or one filled with hope. by ending i mean the events in the dark room where we hug the glowing lad.
golden cave
Sky kids basically like our light or pure soul of light
hushed steeple
im pretty sure
the light is just us
hug urself
but is that a tragedy?
if i see another bug in my room im setting my house in gw
im pretty sure the most tragic thing in sky is eden
so much lore in eden
i mean specifically in the dark room
that specific action in a specific time
i think the dark room is just a normal area but you cant see it because you're extinguished and surrounded by darkness
but then shiny boi comes in
not sure if its tragic tho
mild lark
Is this darkroom on eden or when we die?
hushed steeple
both
mild lark
The one at eden was set near the big eden diamond..
The one when we die is at our home..
solar relic
i think the dark room is in the diamond tbh since the only light you see that shoots up like that would be from the diamond
hushed steeple
what if, all skykids came to the eden diamond, and somehow managed to stop the storm?
the glowing lad in one of my HC is the last memory of the us, but we do not remember it anymore, so we just hug the glowing lad out of sympathy and kindness, while we have forgotten our purpose.
like when sky has nothing else to add or somethin, that could be a way to finally beat the game
hence the tragedy, but one of my other HC has an alternate interpretation
lambda u rlly finna make me cry
thats a good hc though 
the next season is gonna have a lot of lore they said so i cant wait to be slapped with theories
livid valley
slowmode nuke incoming
solar relic
we'll be getting lore moffs every 10 seconds again
hushed steeple
why?
modest finch
Because they're curious
hushed steeple
also res, do you mind sharing your theory on the OST, did you buy the whole track?
solar relic
i have spotify premium so i've had the vol 1 ost on repeat
hushed steeple
i once was a lore moth
but now
no way, i want to buy it on bandcamp but it isnt released there
kind bobcat
does that imply there's gonna be a vol 2 ost?
kind bobcat
sky 2
hushed steeple
sky 2: electric boogaloo
solar relic
yep! we haven't gotten the more ambient tracks of sky yet and others, i believe vol 1 is our 'main story'
at least that's what i got from the advertisement
kindred oar
Vol. 2 will consist of seasonal songs, maybe? I really love ark's theme
hushed steeple
eden music is my favorite
solar relic
the track titles do carry some lore in them
hushed steeple
prairie: nice and pretty
eden: doom
eden is dark theme
orbit is light theme
I'm sure the music is supposed to match with how people age since in office you can see that the realms were kinda like growing up
you can sing in orbit
spam default honk its gre a t
i will next time i go
solar relic
but i've been focusing more on seeing what leitmotifs come up throughout
i guess the most lore-related leitmotif i found was the elder leitmotif i found in many of the elder cutscene themes - it's interesting how it plays in 'lost and found', which is during the sequence when you meet the shiny boi in eden, and also in the last cutscene of sanctuary with the elder manta!
short owl
Lambda, I hope it's a mix. You are left with a tragedy, a loss greater than any you know, and no path in sight. You STILL manage to weave a way forward.
The hope is there, but the tragedy is not forgotten. It will remain thus for as long as the cycle continues
bitter shale
Which music that played when we meet valley elder?
Shall we play?
I think it is ._.
Ara their theme is so omnious yet playful
edgy sequoia
So uh'
I'm not sure if it's a part of the sky lore anymore but
I was watching some random Light awaits gameplay for eden
then when you get sent back to isle of Dawn
there was a poem
I'll try to find the video again so we can look at the poem
proven thorn
Hola
bitter shale
Oh my! I never knoe lights awaits have a poem!
edgy sequoia
"In the darkness, lays a kingdom covered in clouds
Where, from the ages long past,dwelt the spirits of light."
"Back then, light and dark used to live in harmony,
But as time goes by, a kingdom has prospered and had fallen."
The prophecy promised it's children would return
To restore the light."
"For those were the days of the winged travelers..."
There's also anpther version
another*
from the sping season of Gratitude i think
Spring*
I'll also write that down
I don't think there's much of any change in the first line except some change of words
"Back then, light and dark lived in harmony,
But as time went by, the kingdom prospered was forgotten."
"One day you would arrive to restore the light."
"For those were the stories of the winged shepherds..."
hushed steeple
WHATS UP GUYS IM HERE FOR LORE DISCUSSION-
hushed steeple
Henlo
edgy sequoia
chat always dies when i type qwq
hushed steeple
Now I'm here and I'll try to keep the chat alive with you
edgy sequoia
rsgadg tyty 🥺
hushed steeple
I think we are the children of the prophecy cause you know
We fell from the sky to restore the spirits
And you're welcome
hushed steeple
Yes
edgy sequoia
:0
hushed steeple
I think we ARE PART OF THE.
edgy sequoia
A A A-
frigid crown
👀
hushed steeple
*them
edgy sequoia
A A A A A A A
hushed steeple
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
spring blaze
edgy sequoia
oh yay more peeps
hushed steeple
Since we are the children of the Prophecy does that mean we have to relieve our parents who are SoP spirits?
edgy sequoia
what could the "winged travelers" and "winged shepherds" could be related to?
solar relic
that's probably just skids i think
hushed steeple
I think they refer to skid veterans?
Let me just be honest here and say that when the prophecy gets here I am so gonna cry
Imma be like "which one is my dad-"
solar relic
in the game rn iirc i think 'shepherding light' was used
edgy sequoia
I think the "prospered" kingdom mentioned in both of the poems is the Light kingdom
hushed steeple
And then I will be like "Wait, is it just me or are all these six spirits my parents and that ult spirit is my Gramps?"
solar relic
if i recall correctly
edgy sequoia
ohhh okok ty
solar relic
where are the poems from btw? are they from pre-global?
hushed steeple
We are the ones that restore the light cause you know
hushed steeple
At the start of the game we have to venture into the unknown and restore the spirits and we venture to Eden to restore the light
solar relic
no need to spoiler tag here
hushed steeple
Plus, I didn't get to play Sky Light Awaits so yeah
edgy sequoia
no need for spoiler tags here!
hushed steeple
Oh, no spoiler tags? Okay!
solar relic
while i would say that since it's pre-global stuff, it might have been scrapped, things from development (i.e manta stages) have come back so it is also possible that the prophecy refers to those prophecies from pre-global as well and they brought it back to live
edgy sequoia
could be :0
solar relic
isle elder's pin description also has this line
'we saw of your return to us'
edgy sequoia
:0
Tgc is making old stuff a big comeback
solar relic
so yes, maybe the prophecy is about skids coming to the kingdom
edgy sequoia
hushed steeple
THATS MEANS WE ARE RELATED TO THE PROPHECY SPIRITS
RIGHT??
MY BRAIN IS STORMING-
solar relic
related to the prophecy spirits? wdym?
edgy sequoia
AIGHT
Post Eden-Isle transition
"In the darkness, lays a kingdom covered in clouds
Where, from the ages long past,dwelt the spirits of light."
"Back then, light and dark used to live in harmony,
But as time goes by, a kingdom has prospered and had fallen."
The prophecy promised it's children would return
To restore the light."
"For those were the days of the winged travelers..."
hushed steeple
Where the poems come from
solar relic
pre-global
hushed steeple
Oh
edgy sequoia
Spring Gratitude version:
"Back then, light and dark lived in harmony,
But as time went by, the kingdom prospered was forgotten."
"One day you would arrive to restore the light."
"For those were the stories of the winged shepherds..."
hushed steeple
Have you ever just walk slowly in isle just to feel like you're a lore discussioner
hushed steeple
"The prophecy promised it's children would return"
That mean we are related to the spirits of SoP
edgy sequoia
I'm not really sure
solar relic
the prophecies from pre-global are about us
but we don't know if it's the same prophecy as the prophecy for the season
formal dew
Can someone give me a breif explanation of the lore?
solar relic
edgy sequoia
there is no lore
solar relic
there's your summary
because we actually don't have much clear lore to work with, the lore is presented as vague for us to freely theorise
hushed steeple
My brain is storming. How about you?
edgy sequoia
Just a void of emptiness
kindred oar
the prophecies from pre-global are about us
but we don't know if it's the same prophecy as the prophecy for the season
@solar relic true true
hushed steeple
I legit got sad when melon said there is no lore
solar relic
it's more of
there is lore, but it's presented such that there's almost no lore
formal dew
Okay, thank you
edgy sequoia
||it ded||
sinful anvil
wmg: this prophecy may not have an impact on current sky world and change the skykids, but it may be a critical tool to uncover the past
edgy sequoia
oh boi can't wait
edgy sequoia
yes same here
fossil oxide
ppl should be able to see each others` avatars without needing to light them up...
edgy sequoia
why though
edgy sequoia
I think it's a good feature though
idk why but it just
adds more of the mysteriousness of the game
fossil oxide
maybe the cosmetics really r our imagination and by lighting each other up we transfer our imagination into the other s kid
bitter shale
likely since candles are like a medium?
bitter shale
but that imagination thing is... kinda makes sense with the game mechanic we got now
fossil oxide
again, yup
bitter shale
since we cant see strangers without lighting their candle with ours
edgy sequoia
like
fossil oxide
there actually r 2 theories concerning cosmetics
bitter shale
for us we see strangers as matchsticks lol
edgy sequoia
but it's actually a mothj
fossil oxide
- its light
2.its imagination
edgy sequoia
well
fossil oxide
2 cosmetic theories
bitter shale
light imagination 🌌
fossil oxide
ya can....
edgy sequoia
sky kids are a mix of dark and light
fossil oxide
we can see all strangers
edgy sequoia
because we don't light them up-
fossil oxide
then u see em
edgy sequoia
fossil oxide
edgy sequoia
so uh
unlit strangers=darkness, making us unable to see them in colors
lit strangers= dark+light, making us see them fully
fossil oxide
hmmmmm
so when we burn em we tip the balance and the light side shows
revealing the s kid?
oooh
maybe the cape and cosmetics r light
and the colors and patterns r imagination!!!!!
unlit strangers=darkness, making us unable to see them in colors
lit strangers= dark+light, making us see them fully
@edgy sequoia lets say there are 3 skids
A,B,C
A lights up B, but C doesnt
what happens then?
is B light or dark?
hence the paradox
fossil oxide
think about it melon.....
jakal?
coyote is better
I know what a jackal is.....
kind bobcat
Hey, beta spoilers 👁️ 👄 👁️
fossil oxide
isn't it jackal? not jakal tho?
bitter shale
ayayay sorry sorru
modest finch
I see beta 
bitter shale
edgy sequoia
bruh
still valve
Rip ||chat mat theory, but on the bright side cool drum||
fossil oxide
hey guys regarding the animal statues for the prophecy cave
my theory is that the eyes light up when u watch the cutscene and then come back to the main area....
edgy sequoia
bitter shale
okay so i have been talking with pyre
what if the animales are egyptian related?
yess!!
fossil oxide
first one is a hippo
second one is a scarab
3rd one is a jackal
and the last one is a sphinx
the pillar is an obelisk
edgy sequoia
obelisk?>
bitter shale
hippo mask!
bitter shale
fossil oxide
yup
bitter shale
its time to go back to my kane chronicles phase-
fossil oxide
ha
bitter shale
bitter shale
we are talking about the one in teaser, dont worry
fossil oxide
this
bitter shale
also if you look closely, the whole area looks like inside of pyramids?
kind bobcat
I'm talking about the beta spoilers here
Not what you're talking about rn
Just a reminder.
bitter shale
ah... yeah, i did kinda spoilering before this convo, i deeply apologize for that
kind bobcat
Beta spoilers stay in beta channels, just because this channel has "spoilers" in it doesnt mean beta content is allowed to be shared here.
still valve
The giant animal statues in the teaser are representative of the masks of the spirts to the left and right of the center one if you look closely
All the protruding shapes match from behind
bitter shale
still... this didnt look like an obelisk for me
kind bobcat
Stuff in the teaser is fine, but names of the items is to remain in the beta channels
kind bobcat
So anything that tgc hasn't publicly announced or isn't in live yet counts as a beta spoiler
still valve
Although I’m still very confused on what kind of animal the last one is
edgy sequoia
lion?
still valve
Spider, Tiger, Bat, presumably a lynx or big cat, and a monkey?
edgy sequoia
rawr rawr
still valve
Has some sort of big nose, that’s what it looks like to me at least
bitter shale
so if this season is actually egyptian themed :
the statues can be hippo, scarab beetle, a jackal and sphinx (lion head)
kind bobcat
The devs confirmed what they are a few days ago.
broken basin
Reika confirmed them to be sea turtle, spider,bat and lion
kind bobcat
^
still valve
That’s a SEATURTLE
broken basin
The small child's mask's identity remains hidden
still valve
SKDJDE
broken basin
Well, the devs wont lie, and it does look like a turtle
broken basin
Either loggerhead or hawksbill
bitter shale
eh, sadly i didnt
broken basin
The turtle
bitter shale
bearded sea turtle
beta?
edgy sequoia
???
kind bobcat
what did i say about beta spoilers 
kind bobcat
The image one or the one in youtube?
still valve
That’s why I thought it was some sort of prime mate to begin with but I guess the beard threw me off
The teaser video
kind bobcat
Huh, i don't see it.
still valve
Wdym you don’t see it there’s a beard right there
You got the beak of the whole seaturtle that’s white
And if you follow along to the rest of it’s head, that’s now stone colored there’s a beard
kind bobcat
This thing?
still valve
Yeah
kind bobcat
That's a beard?
still valve
What does it look like
kind bobcat
Looks like a rock
hushed steeple
Hmm yes the rock here is made oit of rocks
still valve
Why would there be a random rock on one of the animal heads and not on the others
bitter shale
it looks like beard to me
still valve
I’m pretty sure tcg would be sure to make it clear that it’s apart of the animal and nothing else
kind bobcat
I dunno, because there's random rocks literally everywhere in the game
Eh, maybe my eyes just want some rest
still valve
It’s attached to the head, there’s not much left to say
hushed steeple
That rock thing is from which mask?
green tartan
What is this moon thing-
bitter shale
eclipse?
green tartan
It looked more like a oon rather than cloud
still valve
@hushed steeple the sea turtle
bitter shale
did ya get your cape back
green tartan
Y eS
bitter shale
finally
green tartan
I wAs Th E mEEtiNg’s FaUlt
still valve
Anyone else find it weird, also that the belonging seasonal spirits, I think it was, spit roasted some crabs in gw?
still valve
I don’t think we have a need to eat, and yet they straight up roasted them @_@
hushed steeple
I think it is a beard under the sea turtle mask
bitter shale
also enchant spirits grow mushrooms to survive
still valve
But if they’re our ancestors in a literal lineage sense, wouldn’t we be half of them, or abouts?
That is to say, we’d still need to eat
So that would mean we’re not related to them by lineage
Adopted descendants?
Idk it’s still quite weird that they would eat crabs @_@
bitter shale
we are hybrids..
maybe
we only need lights to survive?
like, we are some kind of superior generation that only need lights to survive
still valve
You can’t have the hybrid of only needing light to survive and eating to survive to only need light as the function of its existence
gilded fossil
/we need gatorade!
gilded fossil
/ this concludes my crackpot theory
bitter shale
solar relic
biology-wise i doubt ancestors and skids are similar
but they both have blue spirits
bitter shale
what if we actually eat the lights-
still valve
Yolo
gilded fossil
/well we can pick them up
/crabs are the only few things we can pick up
/unlike most things in the enviroment we straight up ignore them
/this makes me think that skids inherit a desire to grill crabs
still valve
You know what going back to @solar relic their spirits are blue, and I assume the winged light are also similar to us, yet their spirits are bright golden yellow
So I guess we would be different in biology, unless that’s how the biology of the children sprits work
Wait but no there were children in belonging, unless they were just short
gilded fossil
/we do see children, like the confident stance in ice rink
still valve
I guess we really are a different species
gilded fossil
/well devs do say that ancestors, skids, and elders are all different beings
still valve
Ancestors needed to eat, we don’t need to eat, elders are a mystery
That or, again, the ancestors were just experimenting with putting things in their mouths
gilded fossil
/ they dont have mouths
still valve
Although I don’t know why a crab would be one of them @_@
solar relic
nah it's just confirmed that skids cannot be elders
no mention of skids and ancestors though
gilded fossil
/well, people eat what they see smaller than them
gilded fossil
/ the need for consuming if irc in biologi class
The elder spirits are just black and non see through
/they be rocks
still valve
if we’re a hybrid
Does that mean the elders and some ancestors made us in the light?
Of maybe the light itself took their essences and forged us
gilded fossil
/yo i like that theory
still valve
Like play doh
gilded fossil
/i always say megan made us but ran out of clay
thin dirge
The wording was more like "Cannot become Elders", kinda implying that at least someone became an Elder rather than being born as an Elder-
solar relic
but elders have always been elders though
even when they were created they were already elders
still valve
I guess the elders were kinda the prototype of us
Think of them as the light’s first experiments with humanoid life
I guess they must’ve done something wrong for them to be expelled from literal heaven
Or in this case
Eden
Never realized the biblical parallels of this before, now that I think about it 🤔
gilded fossil
/who gave them the apple
still valve
Maybe the fruit was the knowledge that you could harness light, and shape it in different forms
gilded fossil
/i blame samkheds for eating the apples
still valve
And they just kept doing it, even after the fall from grace
thin dirge
Ik it was said that Elders were Elders to begin with, but the line "Sky kids cannot grow up to become Elders" kinda implies its possible for our Sky kids to become Elders in a way, but there's certain conditions that stops Sky kids from being able to
modest finch
We're cursed for the sins of elders
thin dirge
Ehh, still hesitating about the Elders doing something bad that caused their fall
I think that part only applied to Eden
still valve
I don’t see any other reason why the light would expel them
Unless there was a hole somewhere and they all tripped
solar relic
i think the mural applies to post-fall from orbit
thin dirge
It still could be like an ancident or a mistake that led to them to fall. But not a sin.
That's the exact wording from the JP intro. A mistake, but not a sin-
solar relic
as for the circumstances for the fall it is still ambiguous what is the darkness that is described
gilded fossil
Unless there was a hole somewhere and they all tripped
/ Samkheds: Hey guys we uh... found a hole!
Teth: Well, dont do anything dumb megan mighte be upset
Samkhed: jumps into the hole
solar relic
they really thought it was a pipe leading into mario world
thin dirge
XD
still valve
Darkness is merely the absence of light, which is why dark creatures are constantly hungering for our light. And yet I can’t help but thinking there’s a different dark entity out there
I could be wrong though, and that might just mean that they found out how to siphon light maybe?
So then the Light wasn’t happy about that and kicked them out when they turned 18
solar relic
darkness could either be literal darkness or metaphorical darkness
still valve
I’m gonna capitalize The Light from now on to keep from any confusion
still valve
Technically...no
hushed steeple
Wait so is my theory a spoiler or no?
thin dirge
I don't think that's spoilers
hushed steeple
Imma delete it just in case
still valve
Well, if a theory is correct before we know it’s correct is it a spoiler?
And for right now everything in beta is officially unknown
gilded fossil
/ guys i accidentally tap into beta someone please cleanse my memory
still valve
So no it’s not an explicit spoiler
gilded fossil
/also beta stays in beta channels
modest finch
same Jen, I wish there was a delete button for memories
still valve
I still can’t help but think, that darkness is just a mistake the elders made that got them booted out, so now the light is ready to forgive, hence it directs us to “bring our lost stars home”
It also says “our” like we’re part of it, like holy trinity style
Speaking of which I guess that’s another reoccurring biblical theme 🤔
God sends Jesus down to save humans, The Light sends us down to bring the ancestors “home”
Which is basically The Light itself, which is basically Sky Heaven
Idk if they did this on purpose or it’s a coincidence, but I’m noticing a lot of biblical themes that’s ongoing in this story
I mean they named Eden, Eden for goodness sake. Part of it has to be on purpose right? Then again, it could just be seen as a metaphor for the ejection from the mountain.
Oh how I long to see Prophecy, maybe we’ll finally get some answers out of it.
gilded fossil
/okay but about eden
/it's called eye of eden
/ in constrast with eye of the storm (which's actually the calmest part)
/eye of eden is the scariest part
still valve
The point of my rambling was that, if we could prove they’re purposely taking themes from the Bible, then it could be a good source to draw further theories from
thin dirge
Also, Journey has a lot of biblical references too