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wait flos i think i got something for the starlight
I don't know much.. just Know there was a meditation spot (still you can see the white shiny spot from far)
as we only gain capes once we get at least 1 shiny boi, i guess wl refer to starlight. and since wl can also be imprints of the child of light, and if you think the child of light could be the king, who could be the eden elder, and elders are referred to as stars...
That also explains why the elders can only be called down at the orbit
i don't know how to end that theory, but yeah
my brain went faster than my thumbs could type
tl;dr: starlight = shiny bois perhaps
then again: that is for the tgc pin, so i don't think it's lore-related...? maybe, maybe not
But it’s different to the shape of the king statue you see from the shipwreck area
@delicate coral !?
This is an image of the statue you see from shipwreck:
This is what it looks like from the other areas (other than battlefield itself):
wow that's strange
And this is what it looks like in battlefield
I’m pretty sure it’s just that the image hasn’t been updated
So I highly doubt there’s any lore significance
aww
That’s not to say you can’t theorise about it though 
the shipwreck structure looks like it's a different one from the battlefield and graveyard ones though, but then again i don't really go into gw a lot 
Let me check old beta walkthrough... Maybe something beta related i think
aw yeah 11 hours 
...did I miss something???
It was same in beta as well
??? wdym? if it's the 11 hours thing, there's a full sky: light awaits walkthrough that's 11 hours long 
oh yeah that
... I thought there was some kind of significant event planned for 11 hours that I didn’t know about
okay offtopic but that person literally played sky for 11 hours ?? are they sane ??
Maybe the ship in shipwreck was bringing new parts to that factory before they crashed?
I think the ship in shipwreck was a military ship
Here how it looks from graveyard... In oob pic btw
as the ship in ship wreck contains golden moulds, i think it came from forest, since the moulds match the moulds in the temple there
The temple thing where the krill is in the first part of GW is really similar to that structure
so yes, what brontosaurus said: could be new parts, or parts just for stock for the factories in wasteland
Or maybe the ship came from a totally new area
We haven't seen any factory that makes those pots in Forest btw
Ooo the parts could have been for a new industrial city (or an expansion of the GW city)
i thought in the forest temple it has like a mould at the side? and it would go into the diamond spinny thingie
i might be remembering things wrong i guess 
I think the pots were made in the Prairie, since there's so many pots in there and the elder also has a pot full of butterflies
I'm not sure if there was a factory though
i think prairie is more like a farm for the light animals , forest and wasteland was a factory
I kind of think that the realms represent different kinds of civillisations, not sure though
sorry for my spelling btw, I'm still learning English
But there are no golden pots (like those in factories and ship) in prairie
I think those are parts of "diamond presses" but I'm not sure
Those are
Maybe the spirits put the animals in the post by hand? It seems pretty weird tbh
But the farm idea is pretty cool

Prairie is more to farm tho. Or those light industries cuz boat maker and all
Like the spirits are workers like boat maker
Yeah, I think the spirits were workers, since there is also that little workspace in the cave area (it also has a little boat)
Yes, butterfly catchers, boatmakers, light catchers, bell makers/maintenance...
i think the village used to be much bigger
those who sail the boats places
but the rest got covered in the clouds
also
notice the flag line thiniges that got attached on the Prairie templs?
temple*
Ye.
Well prairie is supposed to be chill ish cuz the cloud villages and the workers there
guys......
all the spirits r workers...
the light miner....
ooooooh maybe not some...... like the hide n seek pioneer
but most of them r workers
u can just think of them as ordinary ppl
like there was even a family of spirits going on a trip to visit their grandpa in one of the seasons.....
There's also a spirit with a kid in the valley, above the icerank
There's a pretty dark theory about the hide and seek spirit too
hmmmmmm?
tell us
They were playing hide and seek with their kid, but maybe something bad happend to that kid, and the spirit sells you the chibi mask so you look like their kid or something
awh :(
oh and hey is the brontosaurus real again?
@fossil oxide Idk to be honest, I hope so
the crabs probably killed them
aww :(
AW
or the kid droooooooopped off the ledge
Wait all of the spirits are "dead" right?
yeah
yup
thta sthe most saddest thing i can imagine of the hide and seek lady
I hope its not true
me too
and if it is she is the role model for anyone trying to lose weight...
wait what
oh yeah that's true haha
I thought you meant that everybody who want to lose weight should lose their child oop-
LOL
ohhhhhhhh
Pls no
rofl
So rythm spirits are traveling band, sanctuary spirits are on vacation. Whats the next season would be? Traveling fortunetellers?
That would be cool tho
I read a theory about it being the prince and his advisors/friends/caretakers and that the proficy was about the prince
oh yeah
yup
The smaller one was also in the middle of picture right?
but in my head canon the prince is the eden elder and it would crush my heart if it was a spirit...
yeah that's true
and in an EVENT
Aaah I wish the spirits would stay after the eventss
ohhhh
yeah
thank goodness they get lost and we have to befriend them
wow that sounded cold
Lmao
bruh
I was imagining the prince and the king are the same individuals, but different personality
Like older and younger selves
Im in surgery gloves rn i cant type all of it now sjjsns
Ok this is kind of a weird theory, but what if the upcoming seasons will be a bigger story about the prince and the provicy? And we get to see different parts of the journey? maybe all of the parts of the story would be scattered through a couple of seasons maybe not even all in one row
the elders and the spririts r different species...
Ok this is kind of a weird theory, but what if the upcoming seasons will be a bigger story about the prince and the provicy? And we get to see different parts of the journey? maybe all of the parts of the story would be scattered through a couple of seasons maybe not even all in one row
@fading bear yeahhhhhhhh
that would be awwwwwwwwesommmmmmmmmmme
I AGREED
Yesssss
what if the next season doesn't have anything lore-related and the devs just want to mess with us
oh and a quick unrelated question...…. do any of u guys recognize my pfp?
not really, sorry :P
nope lol
ooh oops I should have know that
@fossil oxide thank you for the link

scientific name....
sorry sorry!
u find more species in sky,
we can put more on the list
oooook
now do u guys recognize my pfp
?
pls say yes....
oh hey brickyyyyyy
Arstotska ?
No, I was talking about a fictional country in the game « Papers Please »
no surprise..... after all in Warhammer 40k they do this all the time
soooooooooo not sky
So, I had just Posted this to #screenshots-and-videos but I need answers.
What is this bird, why is it here and why is it made of snow?
It’s part of an old beta quest, you would meditate on that circle and chase lights around the citadel. Once you finished, you’d get the manta call
that would have been waaaaaaay better
now we have to go to some small platform and meditate there.....
hey guys I was thinking for the next big lore channel project we could like find out how exactly the diamonds r made.....
no maybes with plot holes
we use our brains and get as accurate as we can get...
the spirits` morality depends on this...
in the forest elder cut scene she smashes the candle and that puts together the diamond
G’mornin goob
The only things we don't really know is how the press actually works, but we have the idea.
hi
Good night bric 
but the forest elder smashed a candle.....
She didn't.
We don't carry a candle
I don't get it...
What we give to Teth isn’t a candle, it’s pure light
I’m assuming that they get that light from butterflies/light orbs, before skids came along to give light
Just a flame
oh...
The light creatures act as the source of light and the darkstone/power diamonds as the container.
u know how light creatures recharge your flight energy?
It was mentioned somewhere that darkstone/darkness absorbs light.
maybe u just need to keep a manta or butterfly next to the darkstone….
not juice it....
hence the manta cages
.....
For efficiency and s p e e d
really?
in the concepts we’ve seen of diamond productions, light creatures were used for light. In the main one, they were juiced
Judging by how long it takes for dark water to take our light, it would be very inefficient to just wait for light to drain from a light creature and funnel it to the darkstones
forgiveness is a thing, Pyre
Welcome to lore channel, stuff gets dark quick.
Elders and Ancestors:
Nah, this sounds like Sky 
Sky is very dark, my friend
Sky is all fun and games until we break it to you that we juiced mantas for batteries
can we not advertise anything other than sky please 
This is the sky disc Pyre. 
but way in the future
Not Warhammer
I love sky, nothing else.
let's go back to sky and lore please 
Pls don't send things that are not related to sky
how we squish the light creatures...
The press.
The "raw materials" get put in the chamber and then the press goes down to crush it.
And i assume the raw materials included both organic and inorganic light along with darkness
forest and that first krill area of gw yes
hey, how did they manta cape??
Boi, this game immediately take a sharp turn to the dark side
maybe the quest giver beat a manta with a rock and taped it on its back?? idk tho
the cape was made to look like a manta
I believe Devs have said that the manta cape is artificial - no mantas were harmed
no manta was harmed, don't worry 
okey
Prairie elder wouldn’t let that happen
what are the manta’s reactions tho
Manta Dosent see it
Prairie elder wouldn’t let that happen
yeah but seems like putting butterflies in jars is fine
Eat
but what if the prairie elder didn't want his butterflies to be used for diamond production 
sucks to be them i guess
It needed to be unfortunately
they got sucked in the jar
f
it was added for belonging
isle, to the right of the temple through the cloud tunnel
yabol
does anyone know what this mold is? is this some secret spirit we dont know and it just got removed
Shiny
where in hidden forest ?
It may just a leftover imo
where in hidden forest ?
Hidden
LMAO

The glitter ball thingy?
@hollow gazelle actually i was answering butterfly place for your answer of the cloud tunnel place

My wifi acted up back then
Apologize for making such misunderstanding ww

does anyone know what this little cave is about?
that’s from season of lightseekers uwu
/left over
ohh thank you! it’s so pretty!
/maybe left for lore reason tho
I wanna ask, does the seasons actually connected to the lore?
Probably
/not really
/only lightseeker we get tiny bits of lore
/but enchantment actually hits us with plenty of lore bombs1
i know sanctuary isn’t connected but i don’t know about the others!
The caves in ark seem to have some lore in the walls
/then there's rhythm where people just straight up make their own lore with the antenna guy :VV
/ah, Hazel, we do have some decent manta lore in Sanctuary
how about belonging? do yall think there's any lore in it?
ohhh we do!! that’s so cool ^^;
/chonky manta lore!
Since crabs are made out of darkness wouldnt that hurt the spirits who eat it?
maybe they grill the darkness out of the crabs 
/nah ancestors werrent light creatures
aaa i meant crabs oops-
Oh ur right jen
/yo is that why they remove the ability to reccharge near ancestors??
/they wanna update the lore???
hmmm
/ really inconvienient tho ngl
Hope it's just a bug
/i feeel like it's intentional, since it's been going around beta for a while, you can check beta-bug-report, there's plenty of reports, but they still kept it in over to live
/ and oh yea dont question why i spent 2 hours in bug report channels please
Now they’re permanently able to be relived...makes me think more about the whole idea of rebirth making us lose the memories of our earlier run
in recollecting WLs (which I see as memories), and now being able to relive spirits, i feel like this was the easiest way game-mech wise to hint at rebirth making us forget
ooh that's cool
/ you mean being bonked by red rocks makes us forget?
i mean dying and being reborn makes us forget
/so what would giving part of our memories to the statues in eden mean
aww that's actually pretty cute
Except charging near spirits hasn't been removed, it's just now in the wrong spot.
It's not tied to the start position right now, but I think I hit it at the end
Yeah. When you find the spirit's end of memory
I'll test later with cry
They have a simple path
But we don't forget emotes
i see that more as game mechs
But still, we have to tie em both as mech and lore
pardon ?
/yea imagine back in beta where you straight up lost the ability to wave after eden
Yeah lol
There's a cute theory about how skykids learn emotes btw
They copy Spirits?
yeah
anyways gtg yall time to work out 
they are good at copying.
So cute
Also, lvl 2 and 4 (and 6) emotes are their imagination
/ have you guys heard about how skids are very good at squatiing
haha
/ conclusion: Skids are asians
They got no muscles, so nothing hurts
If my skid was asian, it would've known how to play piano
/ pfffffffffffffffft l
Bruh your name

/lol Amio? is that you
Ye
I think tgc changed a lot of very small details maybe to fit in with their vision of the lore better
Like the glow gone from the eden child
And the hints about our light leading the way
(am for sure overthinking)
Maybe the new colours in GW too? The structures look a bit more like Valley now?
Yeah they retextured
What if gw and valley weren't always seperate?
"The light will show you the way" ->"your light will show you the way"
Also the beacon has a new description while in Isle
/the light is now refered to eden i think!
Also the beacon has a new description while in Isle
/whatsit?
That I cannot remember :(
I made mental note of it, but lol my mind cannot hold details
/ also can someone dm me what's with the 150k thing?
What if gw and valley weren't always seperate?
seems that they were connected at first? since in the 7 days of sky thing valley was called golden valley, so it kinda indicates valley and gw were connected
150k server members jen 
Yes
the textures and architecture seem to suggest that, at least 
Or they could be two cities built in the same style?
that is possible too 
Hey a thought: what if all those we sacrificed light to save woke up and passed through the dark space before we did, but were not particularly nice to trapped golden boy, and that's why the hug was so surprising?
Hi all. Haven't posted in this channel before. I have some thoughts on Prophecy.
oh the hug was surprising? o:
hey khe! welcome to lore chat, go ahead and share what you think 
/becareful about posting beta stuff thooo
or stuff not even in beta yet 
/anyways, welcome khe
Not a beta tester. No beta, no leaks.
Ok so just theories?
Yes
/cool then ! Tell us!
I'm trying to work out the lack of a spirit in the teaser art. It had me thinking what if they worked a prequel area into the game? But then it seems that Prophecy will probably be the next season. Anyways the thing i keep coming back to is Prophecy as the back story of the ruin of the kingdom and not the future.
Khe, have you seen lore moff doc yet? While you don't need it before you post theories, it helps explain a lot of the things we say.
/plese be no :D
you can continue typing your thoughts first, do go ahead!
fresh meat theories are kinda the best tho
Prophecy= a prediction of what will happen in the future
not tainted by all of the previous stuff we come up with
It could be a prophecy that happend in the past
So its probably not back story unfortunately
what if it's a prophecy repeating itself 
/hold it let khe talk lol
Oh maybe a prophecy from the past ur right
/khe are you done?
Oh sorry khe

Sorry, I derailed first
sorry khe 

I'm just really intrigued by Prophecy. If it had the standard number of spirits in the teaser art I probably wouldn't be thinking about the "what ifs" so much.
haha wouldnt we all
But if it is future it possibly could be a dark turn, especially after Sanctuary.
YES
i think it’d be interesting if this prophecy affected the base game, of its referring to something happening in the future relative to skids 
Hopefully khe
That would be so cool
That’s megabird !
we call megabird megan sometimes 
oh that reminds me
Yeah I happened to look up in the orbit changing station
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Its funny, I had been thinking lately about how (if) they could work in a new realm and make it cohesive enough with the story line. I kept getting stuck on the stages of life thing. However, I can say when I was a teen and even as an adult, many realms have been reflective of life experience so they could probably manage it.
interesting
baby, childhood, teenage hood, C O V I D, adult, midlife, oof age, death
OLD
NOT OOF
haha same thing (jk)
Yep
They could make a 2020 realm 🙃 since this year feels like a whole part of my life that I want to get over with
honey that’s eden
Oh yess oof
2020 is worse than eden
2020: Eden 2, electric boogaloo
At least you know how eden ends.
well eden requires 20/20 wl to enter after all 
#lore-discussion-spoilers message I had to find this
well eden requires 20/20 wl to enter after all
@solar relic maybe the real prophecy was 2020
Megan is oof age
On that picture of the new season have 5 spirits and I thought they would represent the realms, but I forgot Eden and Isle for a moment. (though there are just 5 realms where we can get daily quests)
usually there’s 7 spirits counting quest giver to represent all 7 realms
yeah
so having 5.....either they’re changing things up or someone’s missing
hmmmmm
what do yall think?
the spirit on the left looks like they're wearing a mask from season of rythm it seems (or something in the same style)
I think they just couldnt fit all 7 in the picture
The vibe of this season seems to be very different, they could probably change a few things like they did in the past
Wait, do all spirits have a little glowing dot in the middle of their body? I can't remember
Bronto, I had tried to match them with the number of realms too
cool
There is spectulation that the cosmetics are taken from some fan art/ideas for a season. I'm not buying it.
Maybe they're missing because you never get the full story with a prophecy
Good point!
ooohh
There is spectulation that the cosmetics are taken from some fan art/ideas for a season. I'm not buying it.
I’ve only seen speculation that the cosmetics are from old concepts. At least, in this channel. Idk what other channels you frequent saying different things
I had just seen something on a video with some stone masks? I don't belive it was descriptive on where this art was from.
I think I've seen that one too!
i think they got it from the tomcepts
That’s likely hacked content
ahh
True
Eww, apologies.
Were they wearing the masks, or was it drawings ?
Drawings
Oh
ah, okay
Thanks
Yeah lmao the mention of "video" confused me
oh wait I know which ones you mean!
It wasn't Sky brand style art
... Was it similar to the propoganda meme art style?
here in the middle?
not exactly that photo, but does the artstyle look similar?
null why did you delete them 
Might be the same artist,yeah
Having the actual photo removes the need for memes
it's been a while since i saw the propaganda trilogy 😔
The leg wear looks the same I think
yall talking about this concept?
Yes!
There are so many more now
Exactly
Thank you
yeah, that's by sky's concept artist tom zhao
Ooooh
Yea that one
But yeah those are concept arts, not fan arts
There's this one too
Those are great concepts

Hair colour options 
oh raf what's this?
Yes the new hints
the entrance to prairie got a new cutscene
OOO
i like the reference to the song that plays when you're in orbit hehe 
Ooooo neat
Do I have to go from isle to prarie
yeah
I think it supports the theory that we are linked to the prince
also
ok I have a really weird theory about that
I have to go tend to dinner..it was great chatting here!
this is what i was talking about btw 
it's the song that plays as you fly to the light ball sphere in orbit! the one with aurora humming 
what if the prophecy was about the prince (maybe the little dude in de middle of the picture) and the prophecy what about the skykids??? maybe that the prince will create the skykids or turn into them or something??

It's weird haha
it’s a common theory that skids and the prince are linked in some way, many think we’re him incarnated 
yeah, that's why I thought that could be what the prophecy is about
wonder why it's phrased as 'beware' the prophecy however, maybe some spirits don't want skids to come back? who knows hehe
ooooo
I really don't get why they say "beware" to be honest. Could it be a fake prophecy? Could it be about the king turning out to be evil? (if it happend in the past)
Self fulfilling, misleading, or false prophecies all would be ones to beware of
Beware the prophecy - its existance can make things worse
I think the “beware” indicates that the prophecy could be something that ruins the world like something to do with darkness or eden
OOOOH WHAT IF THE PROPHECY HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH EDEN CHILD?! Also has anyone checked the pity star texture?
Yesss
the glowy lad ?
Pity star textur?
See if they are still wl colored or updated along with eden child?
If you're doing that, try to get a screenshot of the you have lost all your light message if that's changed too
Isn't that glowing child that brings our flame back the prince?
I'll try to fetch the screenshot, but somewhere in the concept arts it said that "the prince helps you fly out of the King's body" or something like that.
I remember discussing it in this channel a while ago
that’s a concept, it’s possible he is but we don’t know
That's a theory, but from a concept that does not represent the current game
The lore is well hidden.... We can theorise but to be sure we have no other choice than to wait till everything reveals itself
in ba sing se
just saw the convo earlier, i want to try losing light too 
it's faster with crabs apparently
time to die in sanctuary 
More krills would be nice
i've never seen the pity star room actually 
I have seen it
No more krills in shipwreck pls
When I became capeless
What is the pity star?
When u did ||not in ||||Eden||
when you "die" outside of eden there's a wl in a dark room
also no need to spoiler tag here

Oh yea the one that u get in the gate to be reborn
ya its the same as before orbit
outside of eden it's a normal wl i think
Death works differently before Eden
ok i'm gonna try to die now
wish me luck bc i've never done it before
Yeah that... Is not a thing that goes away.
i'm not sure if it's me but it's taking a lot of time to lose all the lights
seems like light is leaking out as you lose it
that’s always how it’s been
Oof. Yeah that can happen
there’s probably people nearby helping you
hug the shrimps
Avoid beeping and say no to people near you
Some need... Reminders that people do this
Does anyone know what this symbol is, in the forest temple?
mantas or light creatures 
43 lights AAA
Yea in the beginning of the Wastes?
Yeah
Yep!
Does it every time you go through, really jarring the first time I lost it when I saw it😂
they eat creatures of light in general
f for baby manta
Does anyone know what’s up with the black birds in the daylight prairie? Is it a bug or a Halloween thing or something else?
its a known bug
Ahhh oki! Thank you!
welp, i died
And the report?
leans forwards too far
still "you have lost all your light"
Ah. So golden pitty boy may not be the same as white Eden boy
nope
that's a wl
clearer pic
text is faint, but it's a wl
eden kid gives you the option to tap on it, open up a menu and hug, but this one doesn't do anything, just has the
icon on itself
that concludes my report 
golden (soul) plus dark(body) equals kids/white kids in Eden
When kids lose light, kids become black. So did crabs, krills and fish.
fish?
That sound in forest. Also in hidden forest and the clouds of wasteland
I don’t understand what you’re talking about
After you burn flower on bones in forest you get fish sound
oh, whale call
That creature shows once in forest and once in eden. It’s white. And when it shows in clouds in wasteland, it’s black.
that’s lighting probably
nah, ive been beside it
If you stay in clouds of wasteland, cut off network and get online again, you can get close to it.
Maybe I’ll try to post a video
sent in #screenshots-and-videos
oh that's a bug
it's been happening with the birds too in prairie
the closets (social areas) have been affected as well
I shot this video in August 2019
ah. but still, it doesn't seem natural that it would be like that since the lighting can do wonky things
depending on where you're at
or that could just be me 
Everyone can hold different ideas. But I feel they strengthen colors of creatures. Especially crabs.
Hello, just dropping by to ask. I've been wondering why Krills and Crabs are the only creatures that are so aggressive to sky children? Is it because they are crustaceans??
it’s cause they’re dark creatures
Dark creatures?
yes, the opposite of light creatures
Are they corrupted or something of sorts?
we don’t know
XD
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In that hidden map of wasteland, there are some pipe with sewage.
hidden map ?
Boat map not ark?
shipwreck ?
yes
If you look up at the wall, there are two pipes
Polluted water or some other liquid there
mhm, people theorize it’s waste from diamond production
So do you think there’s some connections between creatures change and production
yes actually, i think a while ago we had a talk about this theory
i wonder if i remember any of it
in regards to creatures being linked with diamond production, I think light creatures were used to make diamonds, and i think crabs are part it somehow. Krills, I think they’re simply natural
i think the basics of it were that if you look at the mantas from prairie versus the mantas from forest or valley, the mantas in prairie seem more organic and lifelike if you look at the way their wings flap. however the mantas from valley seem more fake and less organic
something along those lines
When manta died, they dropped into ground. And krills born from ground? And the theory said soul keep rebirth unless die accidentally? So I guessed krills are born with died light creatures.
dropped to the ground ? i see it just...disappear
i am rusty on my lore ngl 
i remember that "darkness was always a natural part of skys world" so i assume that dark creatures like krill just.. existed along light creatures
not born from
If we're gonna base some real life facts here, i don't think manta has bones like those
In vault
They'd be kinda stiff i guess??
doesnt it give you the manta call? 
So the sound of ghost manta occurs with what bones
theres a small batch of bones in vault that give you the spirit manta call, so everyone just assumes thats the mantas bones
ok those big bones idk
Doesn't seem to belong to a manta
Oh I thought you were referring to those floating big bones
My bad
And that huge bone with winged light... I guess it might be the huge light creature in Sanctuary
if i had to guess those are probably either whale bones or those that really big manta thing from sanctuary
ye
Did the large light creature in sanc appear for the first time in sky or nah?
Also i don't think so
first time
But without the light
I mean maybe ghost manta were a different species of manta 
No i don't think so
Hello hello I’m back from the dead
And our light is inside of wax protected:D
i think the basics of it were that if you look at the mantas from prairie versus the mantas from forest or valley, the mantas in prairie seem more organic and lifelike if you look at the way their wings flap. however the mantas from valley seem more fake and less organic
@desert sun I’ve thought of that but didn’t get any conclusion or guess
What’d I miss
Maybe they are light your light? In a way

I mean I always assumed sky kids has light and dark with them
Is this guy made out of wax?
@cedar beacon no, from cake
dead people
Are there bods inside?
do you remember the spirit memory from that area
Since we are out of light
if not, go relive it
What if the manta whale in sanctuary is related to the spirit whale in vault
it explains the graves
I mean maybe ghost manta were a different species of manta
@crystal turtle I think ghost manta to manta is similar as winged light to us...
Oo that would make sense
never thought of that before 
i always assumed spirit mantas were just.. spirits of mantas
like the spirits
Yeah same ^^
doesn't answer why theyre only found in vault tho 🤔
It’s my guess lol.
Happy to find this channel and happy to chat with you all. I need to go see you 
Maybe something happened in vault that caused all the mantas there to become spirit mantas
see you sang !
See you!
Raises the question of what was vault before the present time.
i think spirit mantas still have light, bc they give us light when we ride them
Yeah, and so do sprits and wl 
theres a theory that vault was like a museum of knowledge
doesn't answer why theyre only found in vault tho 🤔
@desert sun I think answer is in the cutscenes of vault. The vault picture shows they use magic and library stones. Results in manta.
Light is the power for their tech?
i theorize that the things in vault are artificial, that they were trying to make up for the world outside slowly decaying so they tried making things themselves to replace it
I think the Valley Mantas might’ve survived the diamond-making process
Maybe it was also a place where they stored light, that would explain why the floor on the higher floors looks like it was made of light.
on the topic of spirit mantas, id say itd be easy to pass it off as an effect of vault, but we spirit jellyfish literally everywhere outside of vault
Since they look slightly darker than normal ones
And why theres to be a battle zone in wasteland (right before vault)
I'd think maybe someone was trying to access the light/knowledge in vault and caused said battle
yes yes if there was a battle in wasteland itd be safe to assume that they mightve been protecting vault
especially when you look at the archives and realize it looks like its been broken into 
True
I thought it was the aftermath of eden
I mean every realm looks like it has been affected at some point
oo yes i had that theory too
I like to think of the dark creatures and plants as aftermaths of eden.
Maybe the plants absorb light or something, that's why you get light when you burn them. 
But I keep on wondering why Isle is so deserted
Oop wifi acted up
Also if there was indeed a battle, who was their enemy?
I assume the shields with sun looking crest and spear belongs to wasteland
But the sword and diamond shaped shield are the ones that intrigue me
but dark things do consume light
Ah wifi why betray me
lemmerest, you sent those all at once lol 
Jfjrj3rjrh my bad
its ok my wifi does the same
Well it looks like isle was once underwater (from the broken boats and such there and the weird land shape)
two shields theory?
... What if that's not entirely accurate? What if it's not light that dark things absorb, but capacity for light?
The swords look like the valley elder's bat(?)
So it might be either it dried up naturally over a long time or something caused it to dry up
If light creatures are the ones to absorb light, and dark creatures absorb the capacity to store it, this changes the dynamics of the ecosystem significantly
null that is a good point
spirits might've used dark things to store and transport light
it would explain why some dark plants grow out of pots
I didn't get it at first but I see now
Maybe krill were once small and harmless but they absorbed too much light and became more powerful 
From being used to transport light
Real life krills are so smol lol so maybe
Like the one in the office?
Krill are big fish food

We should lead the whale in underground to wasteland
When you try to fly to krill you phase right through I wonder if it's the same for the big fish
nope, it harms you if you hit it
actually, krill have a barrier around them that wont let u touch them kinda like a wind barrier
Really? I phase right through them 
Oh, now that I remember, someone here was asking for a photo of the big krill horns in shipwreck 
Oh wow I never noticed those
They can fly but w h y
Light creatures probably have the ability to store light, but struggle to use it. The oposite is true for dark creatures. Most light creatures would need to rely on actual physics to fly.
Why do they emerge on dark water tho
@quaint forge they're coming from above ;;;
Looks like the krill stabbed the ship with its horns 
I had the experience of seeing a krill emerge from dadk water in battlefield
ive seen those before but i dont think theyre krill horns
Maybe that's why the ship was wrecked
I mean it could be just moss. D a r k m o s s
What happened to the krill in office
Maybe the ship was titanic. Jk
SKSHSK titanic debunked
XD
What happened to the krill in office
that was Halloween-only i believe
I hope they come back this halloween
What are skykids made of tho
I heard someone say they are made of clay
But my mind says dark and light
Ooh interesting
idk where the clay part comes from
Lol me neither
but i can get behind the light and dark thing
I'd like to think that the reason our capes don't show up in shadows is because it's made out of pure light
clay probably cause most everything is made/carved from stone
I just like to think Eden is so big you can see it from anywhere
There was this mural in forest i think
That showed temples i think??
Also how come rain in forest makes us lose wl
But water doesn't?
^ i wish i knew
Ok ive got a really dumb theory about eden
Do tell
Maybe its not actually rain lol
many people think the rain is toxic rain, like wasteland water
I was thinking on the lines of acid rain
The volcano, raining rock and statues of people remind me a lot of pompeii
T r u e
what volcano ?
Maybe the rain comes from wasteland or something but the water is diluted from the water before.
But there iis no volc
The rock rain
I am not too familiar with Pompeii
Why is it raining rocks tho XD
I think the storm pulls the rocks up from the ground and y e e t s them at you
Ngl when a friend told me there was a place in sky named Eden. I immediately thought of a paradise
Maybe it was a paradise before everything went down
Eden is my kind of paradise ngl
Lol same
Yea i also thought it would be a paradise
i have a theory >:)) if we are made out of wax can i snap my leg off MWUAHAHAHA
what are you talking about, Eden is paradise
I t i s
no but seriously i wannna snap my childs leg off LMAO
like
how are we so stiff
and unbreakable doesnt make sense
Petition to rename eden to sanctuary and sanctuary to eden
...
LOL
Petition to rename eden to sanctuary and sanctuary to eden
@crystal turtle ✨ FaCtS BrO ✨
Before, my dummy brain thought eden happened because of a Pandora's box
But apparently not??
Petition to rename eden to sanctuary and sanctuary to eden
@crystal turtle please let that be a thing for hallowen
XD
OK, big question:
What do you think they carried in here? Diamonds?
Maybe light?
Their design remind me of valley for some reason
I mean i think forest has a lot of diamonds
Also since a boat was carring them its from another realm
Maybe
Or perhaps they were transporting them to vault
@hushed steeple oh maybe yea
Aren"t those the things that hold diamonds under levitating buildings
Isnt there a golden pot in vault that looks kinda similar?
And the things in the press?
Aren"t those the things that hold diamonds under levitating buildings
@short owl yes, that's what I thought too
@sturdy cobalt is there?
Spirits seem to rely on light a lot
Do they perish from the lack of it?
All I could think of is the crying spirit
I mean we perish from a lack of it so maybe they would too.
Spirits could die and were not immortal it seemed
They also go out if you're leading them and they're in forest rain for too long
@sturdy cobalt is there?
@hushed steeple in the first floor to the left of the entrance
I keep on wondering if the disaster was caused by eden and every spirit we encounter was their last moments???
Jfjejgkdjf
The spirits' memories are weird
But maybe they didn't rely on light before they became spirits and it's just needed for their spirit form
And it was more like a valuable resource like candles are for us now.
Mmm i see
In the social area of wasteland, didn't it seem like there was a bridge but it broke off?
OK, big question:
What do you think they carried in here? Diamonds?
@hushed steeple I think these are parts for a Diamond press. There are a couple of similar things in the forest temple I believe
... Juan the song I am listening to is your fault. Were you talking about the song, or did something hapen in the place of Pompeii?
I don't remember much of pompeii but the entire city i think was like drowned??? In lava??
Submerged??
And the citizens became stone
So i can see why it would remind juan of pompeii
Not to mention the diamond looks like a volcano from afar
Lol
Question:why is eden's accessed in Vault? Did Vault actually try to seal it or some sorts? And maybe some citizens knew what happened and caused an uproar???
Pompeii was actually buried in ashes, not lava
Which is why everything managed to preserve perfectly
@quaint forge I highly doubt eden (or the whole kingdom) was buried in ashes ;;
It would seem like it 😆 but someone mentioned eden is kinda similar to pompeii considering the statues
we also see spirits’ « corpses » are covered in something ashen
That's also worth to consider too
When we get krilled and become bald or smth, don't we get like something ashen on us too ?
Let's take a moment to appreciate the fact that THESE didn't make it to the game
... Juan the song I am listening to is your fault. Were you talking about the song, or did something hapen in the place of Pompeii?
@short owl im talking about the place
@primal verge yet. Could still be added.
Question:why is eden's accessed in Vault? Did Vault actually try to seal it or some sorts? And maybe some citizens knew what happened and caused an uproar???
@quaint forge my guess is that eden was just a palace (the one in orbit) that was highly protected by wasteland and vault



Kinda like rock rabbit
Wich is why theres so many doors in eden
They say there's a statue in eden
Where?
I love the octopus one. I have hope there's gonna be an underwater area with it someday
Grab
There are multiple statues in eden. They're just too high and we are to busy to have the time to look at them
Oh i guess i just didnt see them ty
The krill is scary enough ;D
What are everyone’s theories on the season of ‘Prophecy’? Do you think we will learn about our role in the grand scheme of things or do you think we will learn about why sky turned out the way it is now and how it was already written in the stars from the past?
I am kinda hoping for false prophet that reveals Other details about the world
That would be interesting, having a false prophet
I’m hoping for a Völuspá parallel, really. (The Völuspá translates as “the Wise Woman’s poem” and is basically where a witch is like hey by the way you’re not listening to any warnings sooo there’s gonna be an apocalypse and this is how it’s gonna go down)
I’d really like more information on what happened to Eden in case you couldn’t tell
These would be amazing, I would love to see them in game!
OH for context the Völuspá is Norse mythology and is how we know about Ragnarök, or the Norse apocalypse
They’re definitely a battle lookout. The horn kind of reminds me of a carnyx… gimme a minute
they probably saw coming whatever attacked the temple
Okay okay so I just searched up the sound of reconstructed carnyces and the sound is really similar. A carnyx was a Celtic instrument that was used for communication (and in part intimidation) in battle, and its theorized that they were used to mimic animals’ sounds
It’s a bit obscure so I’m not sure if that was the intent but the similarity is fascinating nevertheless
wasteland is celtic confirmed
Pompeii was destroyed by pyroclastic flow travelling up to 700mph, so probably people's blood boiled before they even knew what was happening
no, thé éruption was signaled before lava even started flowing
early in the day, people were able to escape and made it out of the city in time
Pyroclastic flow is hot gas, ash, and rock, not lava.
oh, ive never seen it called that
The thing about Pompeii is that it happened on a festival to Vulcan, so basically a bunch of pious rich idiots stayed because they were like oh Vulcan would never hurt ME and then they died
People who escaped noped out based on volcano behavior
Those were the smart people
Yep.
But for that matter, whatever happened in the world of Sky, I wonder if anyone knew it was coming? Whether because of a prophecy or some geological warning signs
And if so, did anyone try to escape?
« Pointing Pilgrim »
« Ushering Migrant »
« [i forget] Traveller »
it seems some did
Last time I collected WL, it seemed like the imprints were looking at something...anybody know what?
That’s true, for both of your statements
they’re looking at the sky, i know that
I thought they were looking at the mountain but i think theyre just looking at the sky
I’m gonna go rewatch the Isle spirits’ memories brb
The last spirit is Rejecting Voyager
Okay notes on Pointing Pilgrim: They seem totally unfamiliar with the cave. Either the cave is sacred and can only be entered in certain circumstances, or they’re unfamiliar with the land. Given their name I would assume the latter.
However, their clothes appear simply made, like that of a nomad rather than a refugee of civilization (who would wear more complex clothes, albeit in disrepair).
Okay notes on Pointing Pilgrim: They seem totally unfamiliar with the cave. Either the cave is sacred and can only be entered in certain circumstances, or they’re unfamiliar with the land. Given their name I would assume the latter.
However, their clothes appear simply made, like that of a nomad rather than a refugee of civilization (who would wear more complex clothes, albeit in disrepair).
@hushed steeple maybe he arrived in one of the boats?
but is he from the kingdom, or somewhere else ?
I’m not sure.
up to you 
Ushering Migrant is also unfamiliar with Isle, btw, but they’re more in awe of the area than anything. Also, both spirits’ memories thus far have been directed towards Daleth’s temple. That might be an in-game feature, telling moths to hurry up and talk to Daleth already, but it’s definitely interesting
makes me think they’re arriving rather than escaping
Okay odd idea but... What if plants aren't something that trap people, but something that grows as people or animals die? The mantas we save from the darkness are odd compared to other mantas. They don't seem as solid.
Maybe they're true spirit mantas, while vault mantas are memory projections
... Not sure what of this convo made me think that
That would be a lot of deaths in Wasteland, though I suppose that makes sense
But then again there aren’t plants in Eden…
Oh, and Refusing Voyager also features next to a cave painting of Daleth. The interesting thing it that they gesture to the wall art and then refuse, almost like they’re shunning Daleth.
I misread Daleth as Death for a moment there.
But that is interesting, shunning an elder. I believe level 3 has you turn to the side as you stick your hand out. Like "no, we're not going to talk about this" or something along those lines.
Hmm...
Wonder if she ties into the prophecy
... If NORMAL spirits tie in, it's gonna be a weird season
It would be weird but also. I would love it
We'll find out soon when the next season comes
plants growing on people or animals that die would actually make sense tbh, since we see a lot of spirits with plants on them. the crying emote spirit lost their friends and we see plants all over them
but also doesnt seem to fit a lot to me
mmm who knows
I mean the way I interpret it is that as the light of one's life dies out, there's darkness that replaces it but 

