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Oh, okay. Thanks!
We need to pin that
I was just snooping around both games, and their architecture was somewhat the same
Especially Sky boats and journey's guardian
What you can ride in Sky, will bonk you in Journey
hm, i think Krills and Guardians are more similar than Boats and Guardians
Oh, I mean the texture design
the way the guardian was built up, it's more on separated limbs and structured parts
ahh, i was thinking in terms of mechanics
oh yeah, definitely.
guardians are scarier because they don’t unsee you
I got the hang of it my first time in sky, so it wasn't rlly a big problem
krill that spots me: >:0 i see u!!!!!
me: moves two centimeters to the left
krill: :,,( whered u go??????
Krill: spots player, filled with anger, ready to explode raging
Sky kid: hides behind a small rock while playing the horn
Krill: Nuuu where did smol snack go? :<

Guardian: TARGET IDENTIFIED
Any thoughts on why krills appear to make big honk right before ||they eat u|| but they can only find you with very limited sight and can't seem to hear sound at all? Like why do you think they make a sound before they attack aha
no need for spoilers 
Brick, you beat me..... again
Battle cry ey thats an interesting thought
I see no other explanation
I rlly have no idea myself, just found it curious
it's basically timed with their roar, so that's their battle cry/deep call
Yee
Oh, what if we had krill masks... and we deep call like that
Ok that would be epic
Thanks for the input btw! And oo yes
Just get behind random players and just

No-
Then everybody just drops down and spams play dead
Moth: what a very peaceful ga--
Krill Mask: deep calls
Moth: disconnects
Found an image on concept art for the krill, and boy is it unsettling. Imagine if we had these instead of what came to be the current krill
There’s just something about the human looking teeth, it’s odd
Yes
Just imagine that thing flying towards you with it’s mouth wide open
No use playing dead
Ur as good as digested
Imagine if those little arms could actually grab sky kids
I don't think that concept art for krill.. that is a different creature
it’s just « dark creature », not krill per se
Yeah
Still I'm glad that isn't in the game
Basically a dark version of tuna king
cant help but notice the creature is swimming through cloud to hide... And then ambush our skykid.
Basically sharks
The king's statue doesn't seem as thick as the concept art... Maybe they change the king to be same size as other elders?
Because in concept art..
King's head is small while his body is wide ... Quite unbalanced.
Now maybe they have refined the king to be balanced.
Like come on. The statue look normal.
King concept art .. he just wide
Because concept art follows the old story line where you will need to dodge king's spear..... And the prince exist.
So yeah for me I think king's original body might have changed
The old krill is just the Alaskan bull worm
Why is vault elder isnt kneeling nor bowing (to skykid?) in the vault cutscene?
why do you think ?
Because she is a lot more knowledgeable than skykid and doesn't want to lower herself

My theories are often weird so i love to read others instead
tmw you just realized the altar for prairie elder changed and u just go
but shaking gif (i dont have nitro rip)
oh yea, that’s what happens after the cutscene
Hey guys
if the end isn't ready yet
How big do you think it's gonna be
big, and a long time from now
I don't think it's a cutscene. Thosse would be relatively easy to add.
TGC says no fighting, so it's probably not a battle
im betting it’s a new realm or a major addition to the current ones
I wonder if it's a second version of each realm
though that would be a lot to add
course, a lot to add would explain why it will take some time to add to the game XD
that’s a possibility, many people think so
omg, it’s skykid itself?
Idk?
translation?
I can't read chinese wwww
Translation:
The long darkness passed away, and the descendants of light finally woke up in their hearts. After embracing the original self, the traveler burst out his most dazzling light and headed to the Galaxy under the guidance of the ancestors and the white bird. On the journey of rebirth, you will reunite with your friends who once walked side by side in the form of souls, and converge into the stars of the sky; those souls that have been rescued by you will also wait for you at the end of the journey and bid you farewell.
so this could be a canon then?
What’s it from ?
Gotta be careful with chinese server cannon
it may or may not be represenative of global cannon
as in lore, not the weapon :p
The weapon too


i think the global lore and the chinese lore are the same
The group in charge of chinese server is a different company, and is free to make any changes they want
TGC gives the company what they have, but if the chinese company wants a change then 

so this could only be a theory?
Yeah. Take chinese server lore with a grain or two of salt
Chinese rules make it so TGC can't really opperate in China. To get around this, TGC has partnered with a chinese company to host the game. But that partnership...
not exactly something that gives TGC control

Before devs confirm who that glowing man is, we can just guess without any canon about that
It says that the stars have faded
Implying that it’s set billions of years in the future
Everything is a ridiculously advanced technology
well we see that stars in game and stars irl are different
the stars in game are legit people
Irl stars don't just fade.. they explode..
And then it will form a new star... Perhaps brighter. Or form a black hole..
I think it's reasonable to say that the glowing man was the original ourselve. Because the light wings we collect are the souls of people in Eden.When we lost all wings in Eden we also lost our souls,and with that glowing man, we have a soul, and we can be reborn
For the star to fade.. like actually fade..
It need more than a trillion years...
And at that time the universe is experiencing heat death.. where star are fading actually fading and no new star can be born (because they dont explode). So yeah. Universe is just an endless dark cold misery at that point
Now I just realized what I said has nothing to do with lore
Oh well
(so china doesnt approve of dead things, but whether these are spirits are debatable to begin with. ancestor spirits can be ghosts but also imprints of memories. they may not be dead but just ,,, bones or ashes)
It’s near impossible to reach. My friends and I have tried
No, it’s where the opening cutscene takes place
could it be reached last year??
It could be reached before table glitching was nerfed

I regret not going there during Gratitude
Dang you guys are extreme
okay, does anyone know the relation between light and flame?
or is there any canon about that?
yeah, but only read few of them
womder if elders have gender👀
I suggest reading the whole thing
Nope, elders don’t have gender, says so in the canon doc
No characters in Sky have genders
Canon Lore Doc message link
#lore-discussion-spoilers message
But you can headcanon as you wish.
It’s all up to your interpretation as to what their gender and pronouns are :>
Yep! TGC left it up to the player to determine
They don't have gender canonically ,but we gave some names to them (fan made)
Like :- prairie dady,forest mom, wasteland uncle, vault aunt
im still troubled that fan made names are gendered
and have been for a long time. it’s deeply embedded to the point that i cant refer to them as “they” and not have to explain
So what
eh
There are women with beards
lmao
Yeah...
Even then, gender expression doesn’t equal gender
But that's not normal xD
Anyway let's not gets deep in this?
^
even if someone looks masculine does not mean they are male, and vice versa
normal?
stop lol
Yeah^^
alright alright
There are women with beards
But that's not normal xD
Im literally explaining the basics of gender, but ok >_>

Sorry if that looked confusing
🧇
btw i have found something ,and which makes me think that the valley elders, actually, they are the same person👀
anyone has the same idea ?
Share
i lost the pics but if u guys can use the glitch to enter the valley cg u can see that ,the right hands of the eeeshort hair and the left hand of kakashi are not real, they are artificial
when the cg begin, elders stand as if there is only one person
They also have one eye
Yep
One name
so u think in valley cg, one valley elder splits up to two ?
not in valley cg
actual?
Yeah
interesting
We think valley was one and split in half
Hey people wassup
but it still remain to be found out why it splits ?
No
in all info i can find now, only one said “she” when describing valley elder
My personal theory says they might have split to compensate for isle elder not being there
except this, are “all” or “twin”
oof
some ppl argues that one represents the force who are for the king to have a war with light creature while the other one represents those ppl who are against to have a war in kingdom
Well guys what i found 2 days ago that we can't use
when we have 0 flapping power(even not faded) regardless of wherever we're(even in home)
I think even the candle u take out has no flame right?
I think even the candle u take out has no flame right?
We can still pop our candle and a flame still on it
Just we can't use
?its unreasonable
Ah okay, cuz when you're without light (faded) the candle is empty
And u cant use instruments
sometimes evem if i didnt click that emote, my character still lift the candle, idk why
When you flip through the emotes quickly you end up pressing that emote (happens to me). If you scroll slower you wont trigger that
That's saying you're scrolling emote menu🤣
uuugh
maybe don’t have enough power to raise candles
Hm Johny ...👀
so will that(scrolling menu ) work to do the emote?when 0flapping power ?
Nope
It's just disabled
We need at least some flapping power to use that

And ya I've a question why they removed the light circle that used to appear when two or more players using
together

ohno i love that circle
don’t make phones melt themselves because it’s too bright and hot

the shape of light
Thanks to @/cleo
It's the same light circle we can see around wing light/shiny boi
I think its the same one
But those were far while the one during ascending is closer to us
Which is why it looks bigger
Hmm
We've never been that close
uhh curious; on the door of eden, all the elders faces are there, right? but there's only five- why isnt the isle of dawn elder there?
Well, originally Isle wasn’t seen as a « real » realm and more of a tutorial realm, so the elder mask wasn’t put there
However, many people theorize that the Isle elder became an enemy of the others, thus was ostracized and removed from the eden door (and its also why his mask is broken)
but it’s up to you if you wanna believe that or not 
:O i see!! thnk u! thts interesting to know skkskd
are you new to lore ?
yea jkdsjd
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I think I’ve read some lore before...that Isle Elder don’t like what the other Elder does....consuming the dark stone for more power...
Maybe I just trying remembering...
Yeah it’s look like the isle elder became the enemy for different mindset...
And plus, sometime the older person irl does know what is good for us and what is not...
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Darkstone is a concept thing, it’s basically the raw form of power diamonds
Ah okay
which gets refined and processed into
well
power diamonds
Im guessing power diamonds are the blue things on doors?
we don’t know if darkstone is in game or not
Ah okay
/hmm
/what sort of things have we seen that's possible to a dark stone?
It says that the king can be seen in the credits and door before office, where?
It says that the king can be seen in the credits and door before office, where?
@autumn basin /"okay so anything in the office is not considered canon so mind that
the king in the credits ? what ?
/okay so i rewwatch the credit just to take a screenshot but no only see megan in there
yes
theres a picture of her in the lore moff doc
/guys did megan create the world or was she create along side the world
/how godly is megan
we don’t know
Is the king apart of eden?
that’s for you to decide
Is the king apart of eden?
@autumn basin /i think the king isn't a part of eden, but he sorta just walks in and take it
/founder's keeper's-king said
what is a megan
Megan is fan made name of megabird azz
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any new lore theories?
I got a new theory but it was unlogical and conflicting with valley realm
Yeah it was not a good theory when I think about it back...
Someone posted on Twitter... Those symbols
where tho
Idk
That's interesting
Can you send the twitter link Amio?
Thanks👍🏻😆
What does that symbol mean?
There are more
He said "abandoned temple" and on the first pic from his post looks like in wasteland
Oh i can't read the language
The 1st pic is in wasteland temple
Are these in oob
The temple looks like elder temple
Yeah
There's a barrier up there iirc so probably they use rocket
It looks like they land in hole above door to vault🤔
I want to go check it but maybe tomorrow
Hey guys do you think skykid see the world just like normal human would? Eyes that detects light?
Skykid eyes is glowing
Smilie, a theory doesn't need to work out to be fun
Most of what I generate are crackpot theories. of course that gave me Mind Control Megan, but...
their eyes r shut 😔
Even when they wear mask their eyes actually closed

I guess you don't believe it but here is the proof

They seem to cary a light within them that has a little peak hole in the chest. Perhaps thhey're busy feeding that so they can continue eating from the light they cary?
/why do skids sound like sth from widelife channel
Amino I may be completely out there but that last picture you posted looked less like writing and more like a circuit
Actually... they all kinda do
Amino I may be completely out there but that last picture you posted looked less like writing and more like a circuit
@short owl /oh yeah you're right
/all the so called writing all have been small and short
/*amio tho
/or drawings
yall you don't usually need to ping or quote me
Hey Jennifer, off topic, but why do you start your messages with slash?
/feels like im doing an action of talking rather than just typing haha
I'm not stealing, I'm saying there's a command specifically for making things into a command
/ah!
If you start it with /me everything gets all slanted
/owo
ofc... not sure it works on mobile... /nick command certainly doesn't
/guys im noticing the pic by amio looks sorta like 2 humans dancing
/although it's a bit different from how a "human" is drawn in murals
It looks more like a code🤔
I thought it was more like a code. Like... maybe the temples was run by technology that let them do may other things you know? The ones in the wasteland mostly were destroyed. And if these are in oobs, is it somehow connect to the elders perhaps? Like maybe giving them the light restores their power and gives them the ability to properly reactivate the temples eventually?
I haven't been to too many oobs tbh so I dunno
I wish to think this small spirit manta
summoned is that poor soul eaten by Krill 

So close, yet so far...
Do you guys think there will be more maps in sky in future ?
Also.. is it just me of thr Eden light that guide out moth journey, always spottable in the horizon (even in the social area of the Valley) is nowhere visible in the Valley's Citadel?
Maybe Eden is just literally the L a m p for the moths
Look, no sign of the beacon.. (what is it? A place of science can't have a spiritual symbol?
)
Do you guys think there will be more maps in sky in future ?
@celest turtle I hope so
A place of science can't have a spiritual symbol?
)
Not really actually
@boreal nebula do you know what make me think of that ?
The icon of constellation at the home !
Sorry .What makes me think of what?😅
@boreal nebula made me think there will be more maps in future
Aah. I just wish there could be... 🤞
Running the same areas is nice, I miss the a bit the thrill of exploration
True
Imagine there'll be new 6 maps and you've to candle run thru all
What if instead you get a completely different currency
There would be normal candles, used for cosmetics and spells. Ac which are used for wing buffs, and dark candles, which are used to open up more areas of the final maps and learn more about the spirits and elders
Depend on the difficulty of collecting new candles, That could be an evil idea😆
Theory: What if the golden wasteland was supposed to be like the hidden forest? I’ve seen some areas that look super similar, and it has a similar feel. I’m not sure about this theory.
They use the same factory but they aren’t the same place 🔫
What if we are living eggs
Our job is to cary around a baby light being, but light beings need to be socialized from before they can safely leave their shells
So we were created to care for the lil baby light until it's ready to stand on its own
Jay

No gun

Are we allowed to talk about some OC’s backstories here I’ve drawn from the fanart?
Because I’m tying it into something deep.
Ok.
These big statues at valley (this was at oob of twins) is the same as the ones in wasteland
Only fire based violence in Sky.
i was also bored and so i counted the weapons/shields in wasteland
First Area:
2 spears
Graveyard:
1 Sword
Battlefield:
6 Sun shield (one is broken)
6 Diamond shield
9 Swords
11 Spears
Temple:
1 Spear
1 Sun shield
strange that we dont see the diamond shields at eden gate but we see those dual swords and 2 sun shields..
I was wondering about the physical aspect of the world of Sky: do you think there is a vast land space with deserts and mountains? or is it just floating islands connected by clouds
i think that golden wasteland is a vast area since its below the clouds
everything else was on top
valley was a metropolis but its destroyed and full of snow
Sky's world is definitely much bigger, i mean we only go from isle to eden and even tho its a big zone its still not the whole earth/world
There's clearly somewhere where ancestors can come from out there
The names of the isle spirits suggests that much
But what that place looks like can only be described in the form of a headcannon
Humans or Ancestors ?
i think ancestors might b in universe humans
i mean, it’d make sense if they could interact with what seems to be their subjects
i was wondering if they’re like gods who answer prayers without showing faces or they literally involve in their subjects’ lives, e.g. do the twins participate in races by watching over them and granting victories or do they literally oversee the spectacle so you can see them behind you?
imagine being racing and trying to ignore the two gods just levitating behind you
… hm yeah if they literally watch over thats an unfair distraction
theyd probs race with them
so i would say just watch over silently like a legit god?
imo, i think the elders lost most of their godliness when they fell
they might’ve been gods in orbit, but when they fell they became more like mortals
makes sense
demigods at most
they can bleed, but don’t die from old age if that makes sense ? the devs said the elders are ancient so i was thinking they couldn’t die from age
by ‘fell’ do you mean the time when they built kingdoms or like fell and waiting for skykids
i mean the fall in the intro
they’re demigods already??!
i mean the fall in the intro
ohh makes sense
i thought they are gods in a polythestic way
wdym ?
?
so do i, but i think falling demoted them
how many sports do you think Valley has that are specifically designed to give advantage to short people so that the twins can actually have a challenge every once in a while?
me, a shorty: good
imagine others going “i dont fight short ppl; they’re unsuitable for my height” and the twins going “you’re weak”
Also if you manage to beat Samekh while they're playing fair, it's kind of a big deal
(so samekh vs mantis lords is exciting bc both advocate for fairness)
Samekh often have to play in a way that gives advantage to their opponent. If they don't have to do this, they get particularly excited. If they don't do this and loose it's a HUGE deal
guess they hate cheaters too
if they detect one in a championship (and they always always do cuz being god is like that), they would find a way to mess up their day by giving bad luck or something
why do they have to play in a way that gives advantage to opponent? is it that they do this when the other is a child or smth?
Ancestors are smaller, younger, and uusually not given the same advantages they are, so only like the top of the top actually are able to reach their level
its not lore related but might be reika poop related
gib me ur opinion on these sounds i randomly hear
the skids sounds or my friends sounds suddenly go high pitched when they honk
i heard so many high pitched sounds recently, wondering if its the poop
it’s a bug
okies
I kinda like bug beep
This is not lore related but the area might be worth exploring, the last bell is at the waterfall amidst the clouds in sanctuary island
There appears to not be anything else beside the bell fragment though
Nevermind this
I think the prince persuaded his subjects (the elders) to leave the sky and construct their own kingdom/civilization without the control of the megabird, "But darkness came, and the stars fell" refers to the initial ambition and hubris the elders and the king/prince possessed, now we are the remnants of the prince, placed in a vessel to perpetually return the stars whose lights were submerged under darkness, but we can not ever accomplish this task. It is like an allegory to the myth of sisyphus.
Random theory of the day
is it me or skykids dont look at elders in orbit as they do at wls, other players, and spirits?
off topic, but has anyone thought that maybe krill are ghosts? theres an awful lot of skeletons around where they're located. since skykids can see spirits, maybe thats why they see krills 
What I think is krills are in sky kingdom from beginning...
As darkness is a natural part of sky
It's a theory
i thought canonly they’re always separate?
?
Separate as in different physical entities?
Yes, a hive mind
i meant it more as in theyre kinda dumb twins but that works too lmao
Oh
miss me w “hive mind” they clearly dont agree w each other when going at the light in valley cutscene
kakashi is a jerk
True, I mean if they have a hive mind, they wouldn't even fight, they cant fight because they already know what each other are planning
all elders know each other so
it was meant to be a joke to accompnay bricky's statement
I will post a more serious theory later, stay tuned
Or attuned...
[tries to not crack a HK Godmaster joke]
Based on the part we hurt by rain, I feel like we are some sort of pollen
trying to float and got hit by the rain
some water hurts us but some water does not hurt us
do we sleep
we sleep???
Maybe then they sleep
the biology of skids is really up to interpretation, there’s no canon about it
aside from the fact we aren’t Elder kids
if i can become an elder kid I can bully the smaller skykids and take their lunch money
elder kids wont look like skykids
Isle is a starter point, like a birth, which transitions into a happy, cheerful prairie of youth, which then darkens into a more mature, more depressing forest, then a exhilarated jubilance of the 20s-30s, then the midlife crisis of wasteland, then reflection through vault, then -
yep ! the realms were designed like stages of life ^^
eden is meant to be death after old age (vault)
yes
Personally I think that because Samekh are soooo close and inherently spposed to be a part of a hive mind thank you Megan that it wouldn't be surprising if even in their low light state, they retained some ability to skim the surface of eachother's minds
Like they aren't fully aware of what the other is thinking and they have their own individuality, but on some levell they know what the other is thinking
whats the hot take of the day everyone
personally i think we should talk about what even happens in valley
what IS the citadel
In Valley you are pushed through in a way that allows everything to look perfect even though things are clearly not
Well, Sky has magic rocks that can make everything fly, floating islands, candles that yeet you outside of time and space, flying shrimp and big mantas that should be in prison for kidnapping.
Using thermal imaging? Lol
Maybe they dont need to see.
So they are blind?
Anyone have a any idea what kind of spirits come the 20th?
Sky kids dont need to sleep, but they pretend to be tired anyways and yawn
If skids are blind, how do they know if krill light is red or blue?
@celest spoke krill make sound when they spot a sky kid
do skykids match criteria for psychopath? if that topic is allowed
not much understanding of emotions but can copy it to the point of utilizing it for social, some signs of ego if looked closely,
you can’t diagnose children with psychopathy
children and teens commonly act like an adult psychopath would simply because they don’t have the life experience to act any differently
well makes sense
most personality disorders cannot be diagnosed until 18 years or older
otherwise many many 5 year olds would be diagnosed as psycho/sociopaths simply because they act like 5 year olds
... ive heard about a child girl who is close to psychopathy but she got socialized into being kind again but thats another story
The leitmotif of the valley is duality, a juxtaposition almost. the statue of the valley elders are split in the middle, the valley segment divides upper layer cities with lower commons, the two distinct racetracks that converge into the same grand stadium. What is the significance of two, well we see that valley is the last realm not affected directly by the incident occurred in eden. It could be that the duality represented here emphasize to the two opposing ideologies and ultimately the triumph of one that leads the elders to descend into darkness, hence "Valley of triumph". This characterization is further represented in the map layout, the two paths, flight (the hope of reunion and returning to the skies -- unity, connected) and slide (seeking/accelerating into the unknown -- ambition, indifferent) converges into a slide track before reaching the stadium. Thatgamecompany could simply made the flying track end through its own track to the stadium, after all there is virtually no effective way to coordinate the start of the two race such that their unified ending section is accurate, i believe the developers purposely created the landscape to reflect upon the story, and fate of the stars. The last interesting resemblance is valley elders -- Samekh cutscene, the constant challenge to retrieve the fire from the player, the opposing forces strife to reach the fire before the other and fight over it. What is the symbolism and importance of the fire, well that a story for another day.
@sinful anvil
... ive heard about a child girl who is close to psychopathy but she got socialized into being kind again but thats another story
that’s literally just how teaching a child works, but w/e
The lore chat was suppose to be dead so i can say, "did you suffer in silence?" to pale
..
oh no wonder i was like why am i pinged
Sorry, i had to make a HK joke
but to the leitmotif big agree
im talking about the child being socialized
thats how raising a child works
empathy, impulse control, and many others aren’t inherent and have to be taught
but anyways. this isn’t psychology-discussion-spoilers
no its not just a story about a child being socialized i forgot to mention its an extremely screwed up story so anyway
tmw something from highschool english class sticks with you to the present
What is pwow
What is the p for?
no clue
Ok then
stands for pines/ash, who is the one who created it
pines made the emoji
any emoji with a name that starts with the lowercase p in the Sky server is created by Pines
Samekh’s manners are interesting. In the cutscene, Onigiri kneels on one knee and beckons for the fire: “Please hand it to me.” Kakashi just leans over for the fire, like “Hand it over to me.” But Onigiri’s second attempt, though out of their own interest, is still gentlemanly in a way: their paddle moves further behind their back.
I don’t like to admit they are so different that there is no way they can cooperate, but the way they command the player is stark contrast to each other.
...I'm assuming Onigiri is 
yes exactly
it's strangely fitting and I don't know how I feel about it
oni-san’s second attempt ie putting the paddle behind their back ,,, beats me bc obviously it makes them slower
i know it doesnt mean theyre like that normally bc this moment is unusual, but im just not sure
i dont think sky kids need to see, the game is quite spiritual, so i think they are able to sense things around them from heightened five senses, they dont need to see to know exactly what is going on around them
and with krills, they can probably feel the darker energy spike, meaning it has spotted them
if skykids really cant see im starting to question daylight prairie
i just knew that the cape has no shadow as it’s made of light
but is it made of pure light?
possibly
if it is made of pure light, why it doesn’t vanish when skykid loses all light?
if it isn’t made of pure light, it will be darkness or something?
Well... I don't think all light is drained when we go dark. Our WL still shine bright once knocked out
Perhaps when knocked out, our darkness spreads through the cape in an effort to protect the extra light food sources
We can regenerate light, sky childs have some sort of internal energy that always tends to a particular state
Our equilibrium state is when we lose fire essentially
Well
Bricky how is the theory wiki going
Coming along well
Can you reveal some progress, like the roadmap or something
We’re still gathering and consolidating information
Can i contribute?
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every life will remain its skeletons if it dies improper
so how this manta died in vault
/i think he was dissected

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/i think he was dissected
Makes sense in the name of science
Tho its a very random place to dissect it at😂
we know mantas have some significance to the sky kingdom
since theres a dead one in the steps to the weird stadium in valley
before the flight race
the lore in this game is insane
/my theory suggest that mantas since the elders cant create regular mantas made vault mantas from parts from regular ones fused with a jellyfish
My perspective of cosmic mantas in vault changed when the cosmic manta call spirit is named "memory whisperer"
/wait really?
Yepyep
ghost mantas
what does that MEAN
/guys did the elders dissect the manta to pickle it
It got me thinking that what if cosmic mantas are also dead
But like memories kind of dead..(?)
Tbh idk how to explain hAHAHAH
my friend said according to the vault mural it seems that they summoned the ghost mantas into existence
since theres a dead one in the steps to the weird stadium in valley
There is?? I never noticed
those runes might be similar to the ones on the bells in prairie
that thing on the valley steps always looked more like a bird
^
when you spin those bells the runes work and basically summon the mantas/light creatures
so the scholars in the mural summon the ghost mantas
/summon
The inscription of vault has the elder summoning the elder manta while one of the lesser ppl summon a cosmic manta
They appear to show up from the lanterns
Look at top right
Is my message reaching you guys?? My wifi suddenly went wonky..
/yea, but i think it's like
/not summon
/but they use genetic stuff to make mantas from the materials in the diamond thingy
here’s the writing if you’re interested
Damn that looks interesting..
Anyone got translation for that?
Nope
Aw
we don’t know what any text in sky says
the actual 3rd passage or the one labelled passage 3
/the one labelled pasage 3
okay
A megabird with 3 skykids 🤔
Someone did say something about it but i forgot
It’s an old model from beta
In the old old home, there was this shrine where u unlocked ur friend abilities and upgraded friend stuff from this rock, that triple skykid thingy was one of the models used
At least, that’s what I remember
Could be wrong tho
Plants are confirmed to be dark stone btw
what 
yes
now the “Darkness” in game is plant, in beta version its called “Dark stone”
Hey guys what's the topic
what dark material is called, canonically
In the quests it’s just called « Darkness »
if you are confused
try to read https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/G3RCSkuXpleU8Xy8FK4gHg
So the material used to make diamonds is made from a raw material which is darkness where we now know it to be the plants that we melt, correct?
maybe
darkness ≠ darkstone
and we see in game, « Light miners » which may mean that there’s something other than darkstone at play here
darkstone is a concept after all
darkness is more likely to be type of power or energy, but dark stone is a kind of matter made of darkness
This was from Tom zhau concept
Darks tone came from a raw material, miners could have just needed materials for ships seeing the boats and structures require stonelike material, the raw material could've been grown and used and prob at one point got out of hand and began to infect sky slowly
i don’t know how darkness appears
i don’t think it infected sky, devs said that sky had a « rich ecology of light and dark »
the darkness was likely there from the beginning
so megan created both light and dark?
if she created anything, she might not be a creation god
I think what bricky means is that darkness is just light in nature, they're both natural elements that are in sky
So darkness wasn't like a creation from a mo ster it just... Exists, like light
i guess if darkness has owner, it may be time
It's the people or whoever who prob decided to put it to gd use, question remains what kind of diamond is the eye of eden
As time goes by, the places without cleaning or lives will grow darkness
that’s my theory about dark
Well, the evidence is in sanc
Just looked back in something and realised why sanc is called sanc
we know prairie’s light power is at its strongest and most powerful.
but why in sanc there’s darkness growing?
The light of creatures were extracted from them and they imbued the light into materials as what we now know as diamonds, sanc is an area that doesn't have any diamonds in the area, no gates or any presence of diamonds, that's the reason of a sanctuary
It was a safe haven for light creatures
Those bells in a way alert them to come out when it's safe
ummm
It's a thought
these bells are fragments of memories
That somehow trigger the call to creatures which has been done before I think
guide needs skykids to help find them, as this island fell asleep for a very long time
long time with no one clear the darkness power, so that’s why there’s dark plant, i think
also, in prairie village, there are some bellmakers, none of their memories show they worked to clear the darkness growing in the bells.
so time causes the growth of darkness
if darkness is natural element, that’s one of the possible reasons
what do u think?
Time indeed causes this, the bells don't require memories but require a source of light or power, at prairie we light the candles, at sanc the bells are lit with power based memories
so where the darkness grows, there is no enough light power?
I don'tnaer think so, it just grows where it can, it grows in the darkness and above ground over time, it grows in caves and near em,
so where the darkness grows, there is no enough light power?
@willow shoal
True
That and some other stuff
/GUYS
/theory, eden is not corrupted, eden is protecting the big colorful city above
/either the king/megan wanted to keep the orbit safe from sth
/tbh someone must have said this before right
Does anyone remember murals that have kings inside
well, there’s a King mural at the end of vault, is that what you’re talking about ?
Do you have a photo?
Is that the oob area
no, thats in the cutscene
ahhh
i suggest completing vault and watching the cutscene again 
That's not what I'm looking for but do you remember anywhere else xD
what’s the photo in particular you’re looking for ? can you describe it ?
Here
I'm looking for an answer to a riddle that is a king in game and the hint is it is where it is supposed to be. Some other clues have also led me to think that it is not the elders in the cutscenes
Actually maybe what they said before is right!
Or that darkstone is buried under the ground
And the darkstone plants is from the darkstone?or that plants is the darkstone?
I was thiy maybe the lore channel has ppl who knows the murals very well and can help me locate a king
Well, the king is all over the game
From Isle to Vault
Technically, we don’t know where he is, either
Well, the king specifically as a person
but his propaganda is everywhere
Yeahh it just popular around sky but he is missing....
The riddle also mentions the king is also skykids but partially
Oh, theyre probably talking about the shiny lad at the end of eden
Maybe we can wait until future season give us about the story of King?
Oh why so
It’s a common theory that the shiny lad is the king, since many believe that we carry the kings soul/are a reincarnation of him
hm that's a good thoery
Someone submitted the glowing child as the answer xD is there any other possibilities?
Ouh bricky you did understand what I said just now? And you suddenly pop up that link?
I thought my English is bad to read😅
i understand you sometimes
Hi hi thanks
Hm, i’m not sure
Ask if they mean the king himself or a representation of him
That's the riddle^
i don’t see any other answer but the glowing child
??? Where did you find this riddle?
glowing kiddo might be the right answer but winner isn't announced
Stick with the glowing child
Ouuuu
I shall maintain his privacy but I'll say it's not the person who sent the photo*
The question I asked was also later than the answer sent so if that counts @rose bane
hey, random but does anyone remember some old king & queen concept art?? i have a vivid memory of seeing concept art of king and queen all dressed in whites and blues but i can’t find it, does anyone else know what i’m talking abt??
No, there was never a Queen
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The stakes-like things next to the broken spears
As far as I know those are meant to stop cavalry charges
So
where did the horses go
Yeah
similar things were used even in WW1 & 2 against tanks
It functions differently from what I seem because horses get, well, empaled and tanks get turned over. Like a coin flip
they’re called caltrops i think
A soldier on foot is capable to manouver around this, but then it stills begs the question
I don't think there were any horses or tanks.
Those in sky were used to stop the infantry
Was there a civil war? Why would they need things to stop charges if they weren't fighting something on foot?
they likely were fighting something on foot
oh yeah I confused them
Also they seem to have won (The sky soldiers I mean) since the vault is still standing
And aleks, there was never a queen, and I really don't think I've ever seen a concept of King dressed in whites and blues.
Yes blinky
the king was black and blue, much like a krill

And I think the battle in wasteland was indeed a civil war, they got divided into 2 groups, the ones who supported the idea to use light sources and light creatures to develop their kingdom, and the other group were against it. That's what I think
I’m thinking you saw some sort of fanart/headcanon, Aleks
Was there a royal family??
there's a king and a presumed prince
yea, it was concept art for sure, old presumably
And I think the battle in wasteland was indeed a civil war, they got divided into 2 groups, the ones who supported the idea to use light sources and light creatures to develop their kingdom, and the other group were against it. That's what I think
@broken basin
"-Sir we just win the war.
-Good, let's keep the contamination around anyway"
I don’t think so, there was never a concept for it beyond the Prince and King being separate in some concepts
But I think the price is the king
from the time there was concept art of capes that made them look like spread out wings
also bricky you didn't add karen to the moff lore dock 
i got busy 
i recently transferred all photos from my phone to my pc, so i can’t find it rn, but i have it saved there for sure
i’ll search for it when i can, cuz it’s really bothering me for some reason like, it’s there somewhere
I hope you didn't see the Forest elder and considered them the queen
it’s so weird, cuz idk where i got it from, it isn’t in any of the pinned msgs
no no, it was someone else sjjssj
can you describe it in more detail please ?
i can distinguish characters no problem lol
Yes describe it
it was 2 character design spread out on a dark grey sheet, a manly figure & a female one, both dressed in what look like a suit & a dress, very fancy looking
I really like the concept art elders, the more animalistic designs are super cool 
Yeah, and a bit scarier especially the forest mama
both in mostly shades of blue and white, there was also a view of what their “cape” (?) would look like when flying
weird i know
remember forest elder was supposed to "seduce" skykids

omg yea sjsjj
what did their masks look like ?
animal masks
I’m asking Aleks
the ones on their temples actually!
No not the Elders
oh
The king and Queen maks
there wasn’t any close ups of their masks unfortunately
aghhh i swear i saw it somewhere
but can you not describe them ?
As far as I know, the king wore a crown
imma skiddadle look for it some more, if not i’ll send it in later when i get it on my pc
Which we see in the vault cutscene
he def wore a crown yea, she as well
hmm
Plz find that image, I'm getting excited
same here
remember forest elder was supposed to "seduce" skykids
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@mellow sable
What
Maybe king fell in love with forest mama
king photos for reference
what do you mean
VAULT ELDER IS AN OLD CROW I
She shoulve been an owl
TGC really stretches that "Family friendly" mark with those desings lmao
they look more like stone monsters from another game
Vault elder looks evil in the old concepts
forest elder looks kinda uh
Tbh everyone looks evil
what's the right word
FAT
I was looking for a less blunt word but yes
they look like ancient guardians but not in a good way
they look like evil gargoyles
remember these are old concepts úwù
yes gargoyles
Wastland elder looks like the transformer toy which I threw in the campfire
I'm so happy we didn't get chubby fox seducer elder for forest
the twins look like an alien race a table top game
I'm so happy we didn't get chubby fox seducer elder for forest
@mellow sable
what
The moth in the photo looks......
slenderelder
no rad what do you mean by seducer
The moth in the photo looks......
@broken basin weird right? Like gone
Yeah, I've never thought that she seduces, she looks like a mean, selfish lady
her role in the concept art
forest was originally going to be maze-like, and she would lead you off in the wrong direction and get you lost
tgc said she was supposed to seduce and confuse skykids in the fog of the forest
ohhhh
I think the moth concluded that "death is near"
I think seduce is the wrong word, or at least it doesn't sounds right
that's what tgc used so 
tgc said she was supposed to seduce and confuse skykids in the fog of the forest
@mellow sable
Seduce doesn't feel like the correct word to use
But if tgc said
Then ok
in the concepts she was legit called « sexy » so 
is there any lore reason of why the forest elder has a comically large hammer?
probably a blacksmith
in the concepts she was legit called « sexy » so
@lethal stump uhhh well I don't judge
she's a smither?
She used that hammer to bash light like semi-solid metal
her constellation is an anvil and hammer, i’d imagine she was a blacksmith
And yeah, she's a lightsmith
but is there any relation between being a smither and living in the forest?
"the elder was seducing and trapping you"
So elders where bad before?
yeah
Forest elder's dress is cool tho
they might still be but who knows
Man... This chat is active now
they were ~corrupted~
they might still be but who knows
@lethal stump MMMMMM
now they just look tired
yeah
@mellow sable so did the wasteland elder fights you or?
no
no, there was never any fighting except in extremely early development
where the elders were the « boss » of their realm
Rad is that supposed to be a bad thing? Blocking the krills?
no, not all the elders did bad things in their cutscenes
but weren't they all bad before?
Earlier the elder statue used to break in half which could signify that he permanently dies after saving us?
they were corrupted. didn’t mean they harmed the player
ohh
Maybe after we escaped, he fought with the krills, but couldn't win and died.🏳️ 
so the wasteland elder, even when he was corrupted, tried to save us

Now idk if the krills were chasing us, or were they waiting for the gate to open so that they could enter vault
Or both
if that really happened i prob would've cried
@stoic fox I mean in game they fought a horrifically costly battle to defend the vault and they won in the end, but he was very tired and alone too![]()
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In old beta the wasteland elder statue is broken after cutscene
did they just jam butterfly pots into doors to open them?
Maybe he died
Raf oh no
I almost cried when saw the vault cutscene.
@stoic fox I mean in game they fought a horrifically costly battle to defend the vault and they won in the end, but he was very tired and alone too
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@red grove
in the end he died alone too..
The old cutcenes are in YouTube?
No but that's old beta
Ya Blinky .. i can share the link
hnn thank god he doesn't die now
did they just jam butterfly pots into doors to open them?
@mellow sable they knocked very hard until someone came to open the door
In the live, he just has a scratch and also the cutscene placement is harder to understand now
Ya Blinky .. i can share the link
@hushed steeple please please!
I mean it's a game walkthrough tho
Of the old sky version?
Are skykids made of stone?
Check the comments box there are time stump of each elder cutscene
we’re not sure, Egg
It's like 11 hours??
@broken basin ELEVEN HOURS?
Some believe stone, some say Hardened clay, some say wax
Yeah it's legit 11 hours long
the theories are:
- clay
- wax
- light
- darkstone
- regular stone
- mix of some of the above
I think the outer covering is eith some type of stone and the inside is hollow to be filled with light
I belive there's no wax in sky world
The candle are made of light
Not wax
I think wax is more the thing things are made of. Like plastic. So you are buying a piano made of wax
I think we’re clay, like golems from jewish mythology
Tgc has never used the word wax, they say "pieces of light"
But who do we protect?
If we're the king then we're made of darkness .. as the king caught by darkness .. (THEORY)
oh so the place where with the krill cutscene was originally the wasteland elder's tomb(??)
Maybe every sky being has two parts, dark and light
When we die, we become pure darkness, and the person we hug is pure light
I mean I think that's what the game implied at the end?
Like when you are hugging the other skykid?
Is it fine to spoil the ending
When we die, we become pure darkness, and the person we hug us pure light
He's the king..
||doesn't the light of skykids break out of this clay like shell at the very end of the game||
I'll have to drag in the samsara theory in here
no need for spoilers
||doesn't the light of skykids break out of this clay like shell at the very end of the game||
@west cairn
That's not light, that's darkness cause it's Blue
Egg if you don't know no need to spoiler tag anything here
Bricky for really are you the king?
Perhaps 
No,the scene where you die in eden
im prince then
King researching about himself huh? Seems pretty normal
im prince then
@lethal stump
Bricky is no longer canon guys
A skykid made of pure light breaks out of the petrified body of the skykid
Btw did reika confirmed that the hammer is the poop she mentioned?
the prince may or may not be canon. it’s unknown
King researching about himself huh? Seems pretty normal
@broken basin wasn't there an actual king that wrote his own biography?
ok so Bricky is canon and not canon at the same time
omg
Bricky's cat
What are we even discussing lmao
Canon and not canon
A skykid made of pure light breaks out of the petrified body of the skykid
@west cairn I always thought that was more symbolic, like you breaking your prison (Your body?) And becoming the very best of yourself
I didn't know that a canon can type
they just shoot very tiny balls at the computer
