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hello ginsy !

Here is a lore question for ya

wonder why skykids holding another's hand will copy the leader's emotes
thats my question
i mean
we spend the whole game copying
it’s our nature, it seems
imo their souls/minds/whatever are linked
since we are all part of the same incarnation
the prince

yeah
I was thinking about that too
I dont think it was coding
I have a feeling it is intentional
but i could be wrong
Eh probably not. My suspicion is that hand holding is leading, but carying someone has different implications
wouldn’t it be harder to make a character do a thing than do nothing ?
^
what abt afk actions, like scratching ur head, stretching. does ppl holding hands copy that
yes
When you lead someone, you expect them to take action
when you wait with someone your character will copy the streching and such
i thibk theyre random
probably rng
The dead crabs in wasteland was just a very angry sky kid.
dead crabs ?
There's crabs on a stick in wasteland
oh, those are from belonging
Does anybody know which is the connection between sky and journey? Played both and never figured out
They’re spiritual successors, but lore-wise they are not connected
Oh thanks, read somewhere that sky is supposed to be a prequel of journey
nope, they’re separate games


I made the anatomy of the krills head
I thought of a scientific name too...
uh
yeah ok bye

Hwehwehwe
ALRIGHT
ok
Me and my 2 friends were testing going to the first cutscene area
Hard
it is possible
But the chair user cannot be hit into any realms by the rocket
Did a search in here and couldn't find it. Any lore explanation of why on Sundays specifically Wasteland has all plant rotation? Maybe it is due to Eden reset? Sorry if this has been discussed before.
Eden reset prob
hasn’t really been looked into
most people don’t see wax and such as lore
Well... It is part of the environment for a reason. If they made this much detail for other aspects, I am sure the candles and plants have some tie into the lore.
yea, i believe so too, but i say such as to give an explanation as to why it hasn’t really been discussed
It's been mentioned while talking about time prison but hasn't been given its own spotlight
Maybe the crystal makes it difficult to loop Eden because of the corrupt crystal, and a successful loop causes a more full reset of wasteland - the closest exposed territory
What did I miss?
going through forest, what does this look like it used to be ? i think it used to be a house
yeah, I've thought that too
the forest had a quite noticeable village, so that could be a house
May have also been a shop. Knowing some architecture, maybe both. Mixed commercial/residential architecture is not uncommon in many places
oooh true
the Prairie boatmaker seems to have lived and worked in the place where we see their memories
we see blushing prospector end in that area, i was thinking it could have been their home or something
smacks sky harder for lore
Wren is Conj ever allowed to be awake?

What is actually the storyline of sky, do we essentially take into account the reset or does it end at the credit canonically?
cries in lack of lore
up to you, Lamb
...there are theories
smack sky harder people
and ideas, but no actual answer
Rebirth? I feel that would be cannon, though. Its a big thing in the game.
But like i would assume this is basic fundamental lore that must have an answer otherwise 50% of all possible theories fail
when we say the sky lore is vague we mean vague
I didnt think this vague
haha you overestimate how much information we have
Yes. But i really beilive that rebirth is cannon-
Because that means sky kids after wards arent cannon-
Maybe the crystal makes it difficult to loop Eden because of the corrupt crystal, and a successful loop causes a more full reset of wasteland - the closest exposed territory
@short owl
Whats a loop, and what does it do?
time loop
time loop
lemme grab
??
The issue is this is not possible to explore unless explicitly told, it requires either the game to have a definitive end or some character to breaks the forth wall.
Like at least we have some evidence to go on about the king
No, like the answer of does sky storyline end at its credit or does it incorporate the reset
Ktjn said that they left the story purposely vague to leave it up for interpretation
yeah, so just do what you think makes sense or is cool !
Eh you just have to accept the possibility of being wrong. Embrace it. Then find your theory uncredited on Brick's Tumblr.
?
Not as mad as I sound but also poke
if i share a theory, i crédit it
fancy
Here's a comment from Ktjn about game mechanics vs. lore
"It's a mixture of both. There's always a bit of suspension of disbelief to introduce gameplay for the sake of replayability interspersed with official canon. We try not to handhold too much because we love seeing the many interpretations of what's going on in the world of Sky."
and of course "We've presented the story of Sky intentionally vague so that you can freely project your interpretation of it without anything being concretely right or wrong."
TGC is basically saying go wild
they have presented the story in the game, and it is up to us to see how we interpret it
This is why i dont like metaphysical or metamorphic theories, not because they are bad but it takes the fun out of theory crafting, extrapolating beyond a certain point is just, i dont know how to put it, it feels like you are creating the game rather than exploring it.
Can sombody explain the lore to me? I don’t understand any of it :/
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I summon bricky
bricky has been summoned
I was one second late
short answer to your question: there is no official lore, it’s open to interpretation for you to make up
Vault Vault
IT WAS PASTED WHEN IT WAS POSTED
?
Is there a long answer?
I was just a tap too slow to beat brick at posting it
long answer: all the pins
scary
Unreadable and I don't think zalgo is allowed
it isnt?
?
nothing against zalgo text here afaik
Bot can't read it
hello ri 
Wait what is the canon lore doc? That’s the thing I’m looking for
in the pins
It's in #promote-your-sky-content Ri
_>
I give up

Brick... Do you have custom hotkeys or something?
it's also in the pins
yeah, that’s what i use
I thought they did
yeah 
i call upon the magic that i don’t have to summon a dev so they can pin that message 
Could go in report 2 mods. Here link: #lore-discussion-spoilers message
did you read my welcome doc ?
What is this channel for?
megabird !
this channel is for finding the story and lore of sky !
@lethal stump reminds me a bit of Galeem from smash bros
i
who ?
The picture you sent
Oh I see
im not the gaming type lol
sky is the only game i play
Ah
So this is where Lore or Game Mechs came from? 
yep
Technically there is none written out right now
There’s no hidden and complete story that the devs made (yet)
Right now, we are jus supposed to mainly create our own story and use this chat to discuss our imaginations and theories
This is galeem
looks like an Archangel
What's an Archangel 
it’s basically a Really Important Angel
So this is where Lore or Game Mechs came from?
@kind bobcat no it was a topic a long time ago, way before ktjn said that
from christianity
Oh, that.
I thought you were referring to a specific something or someone
Looked it up, you are correct
Michael, Raphael, Gabriel, Uriel, Saraqael, Raguel, and Remiel.
gee i hope this doesnt devolve into another lore addiction
it will
hahaha welcome to sky’s lore channel. you’ll never leave

one of us, one of us, one of us
oop
When I first started playing Sky,, I wasn’t sure I’d really be into the lore. Yet...
Here I am :, )
Hello new Lore Moff!
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Hello. 

😮 I’m intrigued. Fascinated.
Ok, I'll try to nerd my way into all this content 
Hmmm, I wanna try to get into the lore as well lmao
lore I smel
new moffs
new brains

"the levels of sky are just the same place at different points" jesus christ i wasnt prepared for this level of big brain
alright
i havent seen enough discussion on the valley of triumph
what do you wanna talk about with it 
idk
it sticks out like a sore thumb for me amongst the areas
they mostly feel like a religious, ancient thing
but valley of triumph is a competition
you're in the olympics
it was designed to be the capital of the kingdom, iirc
huh
Also,, where is the cheering coming from? Ghosts?
it’s up to you 
yeah spirits
you know i didnt even notice the cheering
may be the reason why i dont register it as a "dead" place
it feels very much alive
But how come those spirits are invisible and the others aren’t?
Yeah!! It has the most cheerful music of all the places, I think
it does
i love the area
except for the lights you cant physically get
that's anxiety
can someone explain the elder gods???
SAME. I’m clumsy with the controls, so I always barrel past the wl :, )
@tired matrix what do you want to know about the elders ?
Was anybody else intimidated beyond belief by the forest ancestor?
She scared me-
oh
have you seen the concept forest elder, because she’s far scarier
Oh sweet, thankyou
im still salty about that forest cutscene
Also, the vibes I get from the wasteland elder are very,,, regretful?? Like they lost something important, or something happened that was their fault.
oh yeah
Like,, wasteland freaks me out, but the elder seems very comforting and wistful for some reason.
on my first playthrough i read his regret as inability to protect
but on hindsight he may have to do with the krill infestation
and the black water
Yeah. He gives off this feeling like it’s maybe his fault the wasteland is, well... a wasteland.
Pfft tell me if I’m just babbling. I’m a little nervous about spouting stuff that’s already been said and making myself look like a buffoon :, )
New fresh brains for the hive mind 
New generation minds actually helped me with a lot of theories I have
So I look forward to looking at new moff theories
Now tell me ur theory about the wasteland elder causing the destruction in that realm
🔫
Spill the beans 
give us your brain thoughts
Tell us ur reasoning



There are many memory cubes in Vault, someone said vault was built for storing dead Wasteland ancients’ memories and honoring them.
so they wanted to make these warriors back to life?
It’s not confirmed but that’s a strong speculation
Vault holds memories of the whole sky world, memories and knowledge, this includes forbidden knowledge as well
In my opinion, I strongly believe that the knowledge and history of wasteland lies in vault as well
Wait wha
I mean.....that’s a new theory
Wait where’d u get the idea that vault was built specifically for dead wasteland ancients
Someone told u that as a theory or....?
ummm, a unknown editor began a Sky annal project in his blog, and he said this in his text
annal ?
Jkjkjk
But all theories are welcome
he didn’t want to say any about the way he get these
yeah, he called it “Sky Annals”
but now he didn’t continue his text, so I just got this project and began to write new annals
Now where did u find this person
🔫
@sly kestrel in his blog
i don’t know if his texts are official’s information or he made by himself
so when i decided to write annals about sky, i just said “i made this by myself and based on Tom’s concept art
The face of a man who regrets everything
It’s most likely not official
1, there wasn’t a single concept about vault being built for dead wasteland ppl, 2, the devs gave a completely different motive for vault’s purpose and history, 3, there wasn’t a shred of proof given at all about that theory
I was interested to find it bc it jus sounded....cool
But like I said, all theories are welcome since they wanted us to create the story and make it up for now 
this is strange
what’s this mural mean
also,this 4-block pattern appears in many places
U kno, u actually made me discover something
At valley and wasteland, there’s a symbol that’s cut in half
4 diamonds in the shape of a diamond
Well in that pic...there’s a crack in the middle
if 4 blocks mean 4 players puzzle (the pic above is from vault 2F 4 players door)
those pics look datamined...do you know where they came from ?
i made them 
Okay
just making sure, they looked a bit off..
What do you think ?
idk, maybe 4 blocks are cut in half means the diamond corrupted anything there?
this pattern appears in vault, so i guess if it means wisdom and knowledge
So, I just rewatched all the elder cutscenes, because I noticed something before and wanted to see if I was right.
The first two elders, Isle and Prairie, use the candles you lit for them to fix their cosmetics, mask and pot/vase respectively. They thank you and leave.
The forest elder, though her candles are sitting right there, snatches yours and uses it on her anvil. The valley elders do something similar, asking for it, and then i believe they take it and tease the player with it.
The vault elder asks for the player to light her object.
The wasteland elder doesn’t ask for or take the player’s candle. He falls to his knees in what seems to be despair. He is the first and only elder that the player willingly offers their candle to without being asked.
The wasteland elder is obviously a warrior. The fact that a large section of the wasteland is called the “graveyard” leads me to believe that he was the leader/commander of an army, and his troops were wiped out.
He doesn’t ask for help because he doesn’t believe he deserves another chance. The player saves him anyway.
Honestly, i’m just bouncing ideas around. Sorry it was so long :, )
My heaaart
now this is why I'm finishing the gw constellation first. I wanna see more of em
Alsdo a possibility: He doesn't want another chance. He's exausted. He's seen things. While he's unlikely to yield unless he's made to, he likely wouldn't nessasarily mind if he was made to.
Yes! I think he was ready to give up. He blamed himself for what happened and didn't believe he deserved redemption. The act of kindness on the player's part is what redeems him.
I love
I'm so in awe of how much personality eaach of the spirits have.
How did you get those wall marking images?
We see someone in need of help and do what little we can. But what we can does not fix a war, regardless of whether it fixes physical injury
How did you get those wall marking images?
@kind bobcat i use Lightroom in screenshots
Does this cross symbolises something onto Sky? I mean the Skykids's call signals it and the wedges are also like this... or it's just Light
Well, i think it's just a symbol for Skykids or our flight power
||ummmm i think we can try to figure out what the bell patterns mean||
Oz thinks it's the king/prince 
@willow shoal you should check Mochi-Daifuku's doc on sky glyphs.
ohhhh awesome
Ohhh I love all these theories, especially about the one about Tsadi 
guys, what do u think about the mural mean?
i guess triangles and lines mean wall, but what does it want to show us?

@polar obsidian you will make me cry with your angst wasteland theory
i love them btw
please, continue
anything about wasteland makes you cry, blue
I am a wasteland dweller devoted to Tsadi, what can I do?
True dat
The Valley elders are my favorite,, but I immediately felt for Tsadi when I saw him. 
VALLEY ELDERS FTW
team Eden Elder rise up

nah, they’re just not around to be saved anymore
Do the elders have official names?
no
yes
they kinda do
and no
no. only fanon
i meannnn
bbbbrring out the name list 
isnt there the thing about the hebrew letters
ye
They have names used in the concepts, but the names are not used in actual game
Isle: Daleth (ד)
Prairie: Ayin (ע)
Forest: Teth (ט)
Valley: Samekh (ס)
Wasteland: Tsadi (צ)
Vault: Lamed (ל)
Prince/Not Corrupt King: Alef (א)
Corrupt King: Resh (ר)
PLEASE NOTE: These names have appeared in concept art and are often used when referring to the elders. They are no longer canon, they are fanon.
nor any non-concpet official material
Ooo
The Wasteland papa nickname has officially been replaced by Tsadi and I’m the only one sad about it
....😔
Nice ^^
Tsadi is so dope doe
I want to hug Tsadi
Tsadi deserves an army of sky kids with one mission - hug tsadi
tsadi is guilty of several war crimes and is on the run from the tax people
Lolll
P e r h a p s
I mean he is on the run from tax people... but not because tax reasons
Bold to assume money was a thing 
He is on the run from king abolitionist
He owes candles to some people in high places
anyways im off to sleep so gn all!
Goodnight!!
Tsadi cannot be hugged and that is a war crime
He can and he will be hugged
I like the spirt clo
Lore chat: “I need answers, pleaseeeee
“
Tgc: “make ur answers
”
I CAN'T! ADDING IN A "HUG TSADI" FEATURE WOULD BE CONSIDERED A HACK
The only sky character I would ever hug
Is the cry spirit 😕
i would hug all the elders
Time to go to the wishlist channel
the scared spirit in the forest
There is no scared spirit in forest
That’s not scared
its worse
Still not scared tho
2 very different meanings
Hug a girl who made a mistake and feels bad for it...
or hug a girl who witnessed her friends all die in a cave in a mining accident 🤔
Choicesssss
hug every spirit
hug everyone
because we are pyromaniac flying kids with bell brains and a knack for stealing wax
if we can't set something on fire, we hug it
You underestimate my willingness to hug
but we can also set things on fire that we hug, like each other !
y e s
skids like:
I’LL HUG EVERYONE
ILL HUG THE CRABS
ILL HUG THE DEAD PEOPLE
FRICK IT, ILL HUG MYSELF
TSADI CAN'T BE HUGGED AND THAT'S A WAR CRIME
And a bit of "nothing can stop us from hugging"
Hugging is the cure all
Mr Heels
Imagine If Mr heels had heelies
Any ideas what the waters in wasteland could be? Toxic waste or oil? Considering there's pipes and pipelines in the broken temple area before 1st krill area and at shipwreck area
Imagine If Mr heels had heelies
@ornate quiver only the best invention ever made-
@tardy hollow I always imagined The Wasteland to be a war zone or some type of industrial zone. It being toxic waste would support that. The multiple shipwrecks, broken pipes, and multiple Krill always made me think some type of battle took place.
I would say it was and industrial area if it wasn’t for the shipwrecks, and how the some of the spirits (like the lookout) seem to have been fighting.
I always imagined The Wasteland to be a war zone or some type of industrial zone. It being toxic waste would support that. The multiple shipwrecks, broken pipes, and multiple Krill always made me think some type of battle took place.
I would say it was and industrial area if it wasn’t for the shipwrecks, and how the some of the spirits (like the lookout) seem to have been fighting.
@green mulch i was thinking the same thing. Like probably before wasteland become like a battleplace where a war has been going on. It looks like an industrial place with factories or something cuz well the pipelines around the map. And suddenly something happened and krills are around and its now ruinedlike tje play dead emote is a soldier and the wide-legged stance is called courageous soldier (or something) and the frightened spirit is called frightened refugee
Oh yeah, there was definitely a war. I wonder what it looked like before all the devastation.
But vault seems untouched. Like from a place where there's danger like wasteland to a seemingly calm place like vault feels vastly different.
Yeah!! But there’s also a hollow, abandoned feel to vault as well. 
Oof yea. Like the crabs and the broken floors. Like its been abandoned and the spirits from the Vault are like scholars of some sort. So like probably they're the medics to help out during rhe war in wasteland?
Ooh, that’s a cool idea!! I kinda thought of them more as priests or librarians or professors,, but that’s actually really cool!!
Oh, she was ?
They seem like those renaissance scholars where they should know everything so not surprised if they also know healing knowledge 
Like knowing how to levitate and also learn to heal so most likely they're also medics to help out during the war in wasteland
The scholars I imagine were like smarter Clerics and Paladins in DND so it makes sense for them to be healers.
Enchantment spirits might also be scholars
@hushed steeple probably but they seemed to be more like merchants or magicians to me.
Maybe both!
In the murals they have the same headpieces as scholars
The scholars I imagine were like smarter Clerics and Paladins in DND so it makes sense for them to be healers.
@green mulch that actually makes a lot of sense!! : O
which « denote » them as scholars, anyways
@polar obsidian thanks!
Assuming the tall headpieces the ones in vault wears indicates they're scholars, probably some of the enchantment spirits are scholars but they want to explore and sell stuff lioe merchants 
Imagine If Mr heels had heelies
@ornate quiver heelys?![]()
Assuming the tall headpieces the ones in vault wears indicates they're scholars, probably some of the enchantment spirits are scholars but they want to explore and sell stuff lioe merchants
@tardy hollow field trip field trip
I mean, some have spirits memories especially the
spirit kinda shows they're like experimenting with purifying the toxic waters in wasteland to become clear water
Kinda shows the experiment magic failed I think so they just went 
But then enchantment spirits are like those explorer spirits who want to see stuff but something happened and they crash landed in wasteland, judging by how their ship got broken into two.
I like the theory that enchantment spirits went out to find solutions to the problems in GW, and were on their way back with orbs when the ship crashed
Maybe but their ship got broken into two so idk how to explain that.
so they try to make a life in that area.
i mean
they werent explorers
the fact that its called an ark should be a huge tell of what happened
Enchantment spirits looked more like merchants to me. Especially when after u returned the light to restore the ark, u grt like a marketplace for spell shopping
sanctuary gang
Personally I see the market as a game mechanic and opportunity for us to get spells since it was such a common asked wish
You can't be in a gang! You're not even a season old yet!
I will just like to say, what if he civilizations in the GW and the Vault were directly connected. Maybe like the GW were a supporting settlement or something. It would explain the healers.
Boop have u seen my theory about it 👀
I will just like to say, what if he civilizations in the GW and the Vault were directly connected. Maybe like the GW were a supporting settlement or something. It would explain the healers.
@green mulch but it looks like wasteland is fortress after a war is going on. Especially in Battlefield and Shipwreck
True
Well the way u described it sounded rlly close to my theory so Thas why I asked
But there is also the broken temple and other infrastructure
Vault probably helps out by being medics for the soldiers 
Vault and GW were really close just in general, but the Vault doesn't seem like an entire location on its own. It's probably more a library of very important informatino near what wasteland used to be
the vault is the final line of defence after whatever happened to the wasteland
Ooh i see Jay. What was ur theory? Could u link it to me?
@hushed steeple Sureee!!!
If I can find it
But there is also the broken temple and other infrastructure
@green mulch maybe wasteland didn't started out as a fortress but an industrial place but something happened. Like war or krills invading. Cuz u can see how the map areas in wasteland look like.
That’s how I viewed it
But the graveyard is one key thing that I am very interested about
That makes sense! The graveyard is probably just a mass grave for the dead soldiers, there’s a similar one in another TGC game
First area is broken temple, so like regular place where life used to be, and the first krill area is still a temple. Graveyard is where it looks bad with all the skeletons lying around and the krills. Battlefield is like the final.line of defense since theres alot of shields and broken spears lying bout. Shipwreck is like helping on the borders of wasteland
Such a mystery
What happened to them
If they are so big and huge why are they all dead on the same small area, were they dumped? How did they die? Why are krills roaming around them
When did they die? The sneaky spirit is inside the corpse
we know one of them gave their life for the ark
Huh
the placement of the spear is way too convenient
That was a new feature, tbh I think it was jus a design thing
But u could be right, maybe someone jus DIED there
I mean the frightened spirit is called "frightened refugee" so something must have happened 
the sneaky spirit cutscene I would think they (maybe the refugees) were ambushed by the kills or something else... but could a krill kill that many people? Also yes that’s what it means.
yeah the different spirits in gw are definitely from different time periods
the one in the ship seems oddly chill
But where is their original home? So they like go waaaaay bck i think 
The time stamp for the ancestors is actually quite large if u rlly think about it
@rancid onyx The one in the ships probably a soldier
Maybe the refugees are going to Vault
@hushed steeple most likely. Cuz their final memories are like them crouching down. Like when a structure is falling down on them
And they like cowered down
Or hid
so the golden wasteland was important
cause they had the whole archives thing going on
So the lookout spirit might not be alarming others for an enemy. It also possible he's telling gatekeepers to open the gate for incoming refugeed
@hushed steeple maybe. Battlefield area is like a fortress after all.

The gate area is where that spirit is stationed. As a lookout. Either for krills or any refugees.
Sadly since I think their ship got broken (maybe by the krill in the area) I think they were on krill lookout
And considering how the spirits there are like soldiers or survivors, that place means something really bad has happened with the krills and whatnot 
Sadly since I think their ship got broken (maybe by the krill in the area) I think they were on krill lookout
@green mulch oh yaaaaa, the one lone krill in ark. Probably thats why they crash landed?
Someone much earlier in the chat said it looked like krill legs were stuck in the ship...
You mean that big zigzag thing?
Also, the gates in wasteland temple looks different compared to other gates in other kingdoms. Like they're supposed to keep something out. Cuz its big and like idk how to say this but like grille?
And it goes up if opened and it goes down quickly once u entered the temple
Like the gate just dropped down the minute u have entered the temple.
4 in graveyard
Too many

1 in upper swamp
1 in shipwreck
1 in ark
5 i think. Not including the ark one
If Battlefield krills are released then 8
I think.
9 krills? Idk
7 total (not counting battlefield ofc)
it feels like much less than that
But that area has a lot of krills. But surprisingly vault is untouched by krills. So the transition from dangerous wasteland to abandoned vault is eerie
There’s 14 krills in game in total
Including the ones in eden?
Include Eden?
Yes
Ark: 1
Upper krill swamp: 1
Shipwreck: 1
Graveyard: 4
Battlefield: 3
Eden: 4
Total: 14
huh
Wonder how that wide-legged stance spirit avoid krills cuz some of their memories are in krill's pathway. 
thats 13 krills
Like pretty out ij the open like that. Probably as a lookout or scout?
nvm

nvm
i wonder if he died from the krills and became a spirit but then again this memory may be a significant imprint rather than a literal ghost
Have you seen they're cutscene fae? Maybe he's just really good at sneaky sneaky
@hushed steeple i think i forgot bout it. I'll look thru it again
Also sneak spirit is wearing black cape. Probably to camouflage himself from krills if he happen to be spotted
@hushed steeple maybe. Cuz rhe area that spirit is found has like many krills.
Ooo
Lala
Lore chunks for lunch
Great for after school
Can blend in. Assuming the area is already dark to begin with
wait what if krills are attracted to death and destruction
ymmv but sneak stance is mildly inconvient because it takes too much space, which makes krills easier notice you
bc the areas with the most infestation, like the graveyard and Eden, have a bunch of bones and dead bodies
ties in w trauma symbolism
they eat the light essentially but they don't live in light places
Im certain that even if black cape used a cape to hide, a krill would still spot him
gasp
HEAT SEEKERS BUT LIGHT EDITION
i have an unrelated theory. just gonna post it n thats it
so it was said the cutscenes happened outside space time but impact the world. then what Elders did the light makes a lot of sense. (i got inspiration from beta)
Daleth points his staff to the birds. In reality the doors open and birds and you fly through the clouds.
Ayin converts the light into a butterfly and stuffs it in a jar. In reality the jars open with butterflies.
Teth sends the light upward. In reality the ceiling turns and the door opens.
Samekh is lowkey an exception. The light goes up and the door opens? I didn’t check the surroundings closely
… the last 2 realms are disprovingi can see why no one raised this
problem is the cape spirit isnt a skykid. so it might just b a person wearing cape, doesnt mean he has light
I kinda think all spirits and not dark creatures are made of light
Perhaps even kril....
Yep
I think skykids are like creation or fallen stars after the fall of Sky kingdoms and they're slightly different from the spirits
krills definitely used to be light creatures
Like different from the spirits found in game
imo at least
No the mega bird sent them
what the hell is a mega bird
Skykid are innocent UwU
Krills ar probably corruped
Thats why krills attacked. Assuming eden king is around, they're probably creatures of tje eden king 
triggered
HOW
Eden King has the krills. Like they owned the krills.
beep, what’s wrong ?
Probably they're more spiky and looking at concept Eden King. Not surprised if its related.
Boop know my real name >:0
is the eden king still canon?
ah, the fight between two propagandas.....
Yes, the King is canon
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No, the Prince is concept
we don’t know if the Prince is canon, but the King is
Megan is my name tho. IM THE MEGA BIRD
megan bird
Alright, let’s keep things on topic, guys
This is fun and all, but not the time or place
Ok!
talking about lore for this game is so weird
I wonder what the spirits in hidden forest represent;
Yep.
"i interpreted it this way"
"huh its this way for me"
"ok"
I mean, there's no confirmed lore so its just a mish mash of headcanons 
So we kinda just make headcanons based on our observations in the game
this chat is just people trying to sell other people on their takes
Headcanon chats based on what we think of what did happened in sky kingdoms and how skykids came about 
Is the eden king evil or does he regret what the hay happened
coulda been a good guy. coulda been a jerk
Aw....LETS MAKE A HEADCANNON ABOUT WHAT WE ARE
Not sure bout that..no idea on this eden king aside from theu probably own the krills. And theres statues of the king lying aroujd in rhe maps
Of what assumed to be eden king
Child of Light = Prince = King = Us
i just hc the king/prince (idk) is the leader of elders until he discovered and dabbled in darkness, leading to creation of realms and technology then downfall
but im still have difficulty connecting that to where skykids come from
We're just stars who fall from the sky and become sentient
oh i thought we were supposed to be sentient
We are probably stars who become sentient and become skykids. Cuz we did started out as falling stars 
If u first play the game i mean
we didnt start out w wings tho
stars are elders, and skids and elders are separate tho
and we didnt return to the stars in the orbit
i think that the lost stars are the statues in eden...
We are stars, smaller ones.
Nothing that could compare to the bright
Light of elders. Then the elders feLl, and the sky became weaker.
The shiny boys we picked up are probably the lost stars thays why we have to go thru eden to save them 
the only thing a fresh off kid can do is light and share right
Yeah
we are supposed to commune with the spirits
I mean, when u entered the point of no return, there's a description that says "Return the light of the fallen"
and bring the elders together
Return the light to the fallen.
makes a lot of sense
With hand in hand, ascend.
Ah sorry. I got the words mixed up.But something like that.
And as u ascend to.orbit u did see those lost skykids flying with u.
Does anyone know the next ts?
the lost skykids look different from us
Maybe the mega birb (me) sent them to bring lost stars home. They did yeet themselves to the stars ;-;
their wings come out of their backs
Maybe we were sent....to bring everyone home....even the elders....
Does anyone know the next ts?
@cedar citrus 20th August. last i checked
Us, the uber
mb elders are staying out of spacetime
Next time, go to #questions-and-help
And this place is a bit weird to ask this.
@tardy hollow Ik but does anyone know what spirit it is yet
No
Oof
N o
No, we don’t know until it’s announced
When do we know
#questions-and-help please
maybe try your luck on #questions-and-help
:’(
Ok ty
but not here
How does megan look like-
mb megabirb took king’s souls and fused them w light to create skykids...
ohhh, yeah that’s megan
megan works in a mysterious way, and many of its details are still unknown
thats supposed to be a bird?
megan is more likely to be a god that administers light in the universe
It lowkey looks like a supernova or black hole though. 
Megabird is more likely to be an abstract entity
the megabird we see could be a part of it
The megabird could be an embodiment or symbolization of the rebirth cycle
What's a megabird?
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WAIT stars are supposed to be formed in molecular clouds. What if that’s what megabird is? : O
Nebulae?
i guess maybe megan is not only the center of light, but the administration of all souls in the universe
so mega bird is the afterlife
i confuse why there’s a candle as the final credits ends
I will never stop thinking about "what i have powers?"
When i hear someone using the term megan fot mega birb
it wants to show us these all things in sky even the universe is in this small light in human world?
Omg what
it wants to show us these all things in sky even the universe is in this small light in human world?
If someone blows on that candle will megan and all of us die
The krill yeets dark dust in its wake
Wait...
Maybe the king coated a few light dragons in darkstone dust and laughs as the light trys to absorb light to remove the darkstone dust. Dark stone likes light so it has a firm grip
Krill tempura
If someone blows on that candle will megan and all of us die
@tender dune
I dont wanna die, im the most powerful being the universe-
Me- megan? Idk

when Light creature such as
get corrupted by the darkness, they will become dark creature (
), darkness could effect environment too
So it spreads....king's plan slapped him
i really like how good creature is based on nice ocean creatures
and evil creatures are crustaceans
thats a nice thing
O
And the crustaceans who are supposed to be small are huge

i wouldn't read much into it
@rancid onyx i suggest u to look the concept art by official designer
concept art is in the pins
oh this is beautiful
Kinda looks like a Phoenix, imo. I guess that ties in with the rebirth concept of the game (ok, i gotta get back to work haha)
I mean megabirb
looks like they were gonna be more enemies/npcs early on
yeah, sky changed a lot in version updates
THERE IS SO MUCH MORE EDEN STORY CONCEPT ART THAN I THOUGHT I AM SHAKING
watching moths find the concepts is so heartwarming
megan and its life cycle
IM NOT EVEN A MOTH I DONT LNOW WHY IVE NEVER SEEN TOMS WEBSITE IM LOSING IT RIGHT NOW
HOW DID I NOT KNOW
We don’t know if all concepts are canon or not, so we can’t just call them all canon
imagine not being a moth
i mean i know its not all canon
i can tell some concepts were reworked
but i think that venn diagram is good to go off of
and also some are very old, others are newer
the game has been in development 7 years
jesus
but it could be the closest insight to canon we have right now
maybe some things have changed but maybe some things they decided to keep
we don’t really know for sure
so i don’t think they’re canon but at the same time i don’t think they’re not canon
If that makes sense
when i was a sky moth, in my first time exploring this world, i felt like there must be many stories and puzzles

by looking at the ideas that were tossed around we can have deeper insight into the lore
in some questions we can ask Jenova for help haha
oh you're joking

an actual dev is actually here
yeah, i mean talk with him privately
jenova himself descending upon us may be something to worry about according to FF7's lore 
Things for the Chinese server isn’t the same as the world server, we don’t get to talk with Mr Chen
but yeah, i don't believe he's part of this discord
jenova coming here and giving us a ten paragraph breakdown

honestly
if jenova chen came to the lore chat i would simply Pass Away
if i ever got to meet Jenova Chen i would also pass away
Is the music when u reach orbit and the music from isle of dawn the same or different
depends on your idea of "same/different" -- there're shared leitmotifs, but it's not the exact same soundtrack/song
I see
re leitmotifs
0:40 here (this tune plays at the end of isle of dawn, when you transition into daylight prairie): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyH8bxGJQpg
0:07 here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hy-v42BLom4
i didn't actually recognise most of isle of dawn's other music sounding very similar to anything heard during ascent
so where’s “Home” in world map?
what do you think ?
i feel like home is in a completely separate space from the rest of the sky world
it feels that way for it to connect to all the realms, yeah
magic teleportation
you could argue that it's very far off the shores of isle of dawn and daylight prairie since you can find large bodies of water in both those realms, but you need to OOB out of prairie to really see its one scratch that last bit, sanctuary's waters are really easy to see
what do you think ?
@lethal stump center of sky world?
it's not the same in all maps from what i can tell -- most areas of wasteland have nothing under them
nope, they have polluted water
same with valley -- the only spot i'm aware of with a giant plane of water underneath it is the last zone at the temple
wasteland's water doesn't stretch across the entire screen as far as i can tell, both the forgotten ark and graveyard sections have clearly limited planes for certain parts of the map
yeah, the OOB forest is clouds and void, but still has rained
they're very different to the endless water you see on isle or valley temple's OOB
hmm, that's probably not a good frame of reference to base lore conjecture on actually, even different parts of daylight prairie lack the endless water plane now that i think of it
oob in general is sketchy
All sky souls come from megan, all things were parts of megan, but only few ancients saw it ever, most stories about it are legends
the ancient mostly saw megan i think is the ferryman
according to editor’s texts, someone stopped prince mining dark stone, and isle elder’s mask is broken. he is the ferryman
so i think daleth (isle elder) knew the truth and the effects darkness brought them, so he stopped prince but failed, then he was punished, that’s why his mask is broken
Megan??
Megabird nickname
yeah
Isle: Daleth (ד)
Prairie: Ayin (ע)
Forest: Teth (ט)
Valley: Samekh (ס)
Wasteland: Tsadi (צ)
Vault: Lamed (ל)
Prince/Not Corrupt King: Alef (א)
Corrupt King: Resh (ר)
PLEASE NOTE: These names have appeared in concept art and are often used when referring to the elders. They are no longer canon, they are fanon.
Lmao i missed lots of things in lore chat lol
Damm
So we will use them here on stick with "isle elder"
pardon ?
Nah, doesent matter lol
??

so i think daleth (isle elder) knew the truth and the effects darkness brought them, so he stopped prince but failed, then he was punished, that’s why his mask is broken
@willow shoal punished and exiled to isle
So he tries to guide and iluminate skykids to embarc towards eden
maybe
yes
ohh
Yeah, that’s fair. I really just wanted to talk about the idea of Journey and Sky being part of the same universe. Would you like me to take the art down?
Journey and Sky, canonically, aren’t in the same universe
however if you want to headcanon, go ahead !
Idc what you do with the art
I think it’s kind of interesting how the light pads on those dead trees don’t disappear but become kind of husks like this
I’m assuming those are the light pads anyway
Looks like mushrooms to me
I always... assumed the light pads.... were mushrooms :, )
same, they look to be
light mushrooms
different kind of mushroom
Oh lol I never made the connection that they’re just mushrooms
Either way I think it’s quite interesting that they solidify into the tree material when they die
Which seems to be a similar reaction that skykids have at death maybe?
Since (I assume) we turn into those husks in Eden
Not sure where other light creatures like mantas come into that though
editor said when the light mushroom gets corrupted, it will become dark plant
but i don’t think it’s true
we still don’t know some details about this like how these mushrooms grow, why they only live in forest
and if everybody has its corrupted one, some light creature (such as
) still can’t find its antithesis
- Light Creature—lc, Dark Creature—dc
Isle lc:

Prairie lc:

Forest lc:

Forest dc:
Valley lc:
Valley dc:
Wasteland lc:

Wasteland dc:

Vault lc:

Eden & Orbit lc:

Eden & Orbit dc:

tuna king might not be a LC

whales?
why it isn’t lc
It's a natural creature
but it shouldn’t be dc
It's not dc even not lc
I feel like crabs were also a natural creature like whale (sanc friendly crabs)
It doesn’t regenerate your light when you touch it
I feel like crabs were also a natural creature like whale (sanc friendly crabs)
@hushed steeple nope, they aren’t friendly at all
Huh?
If you’re speedy enough you can touch it during ascent to orbit and it doesn’t regen light
i agree, if a creature can spread light or flame, it must be light creature
Therefore
are not light creatures
They've never hurt anyone though. They just vibing
They're not dark as well.. i noticed dark creatures have some dark dust / dandruff on their body
if a creature carried no light, how could it enter the holy land?
If it’s a hybrid it could, since sky kids are also hybrids and we can go to orbit
Joke theory: The dark creatures are violent because they have really bad dandruff and their heads are so itchy but they can't reach to scratch it. Now their tempers are very short :P
i remember only light creature can enter the orbit and completely rebirth
Why can sky kids do it then
Hey skykids can itch their head..... And they also get dandruff while dying👀
Sky kids are hybrids, not completely light
because skykids carry flame
flame or light is like a pass to the holy land
that’s why we can’t see any dark creature or corrupted souls in orbit
I think with cape skykids becomes light creature, without that it's not
I noticed in orbit we can't use
emote until we get wingbuffs
why we need to enter eden? because we need to use winged light to save the trapped souls, as we lose all our light, we will fall into mind, hug with ourselves, then we are charged fully again and become stronger.
We hug with the king
but confused, who was trapped
in eden
all the lives’ power are becoming stronger and stronger as they grow, in the holy land they are in their strongest and most powerful. after rebirth their knowledge and experiences are left in megan, only souls remain, now they are weakest and need ferryman to help guide them
about souls, i think its impregnable
can’t be destroyed, only can be corrupted
You know, it always seems that when we lose our light, we have the experience with the hugging kid, and then we break out and leave for orbit. I propose that in fact, we do not free ourselves, but in fact, the glowing kid is the person after us that gives us their winged light, and it is in fact, the act of giving so freely, something so essential, that causes us to break free and fly to orbit. Perhaps the hug is to symbolize the woefully fleeting and yet everlastingly intimate warmth and affection that only two strangers can have, when all other hope is lost
Had an Epiphany, sorry
different people have different opinions
editor said those glowing statues were soldiers, they fought with darkness until the last moment
i guess when the epic ark exploded, they were in eden fighting with darkness, the explosion effected them and they were trapped by the darkness just like the king
what do you think, guys?
I think the glowing statues were the kids before us whom spirits which are winged light are everywhere, so like their spirits went as far away from Eden but that's why it explains why there Is so many of them at Eden in a hallway, when we die we leave our physical forms and we meet another who was willing to share the light or give it to us, once we re eived it, we become the connected, when we enter sky, a physical form burns or dries over us and thus our physical forms
We could possibly be just a soul receiving and losing light and gaining and losing physical form, like when we die, we lose the light and our physical form, but when we get the light, and go down to sky we gain both light and physical form
So we could possibly be a medium of sorts that allows to break life and death,
But ofc we must fa e both life and death
Technically Sky kids could be considered the soldiers fighting darkness until the last moment
That's true, since we burn away much darkness and the very fact that we are light
SkyKids are just a tool used to fight the darkness
omg, i heard a new theory about whales and krills
Spill
whales is the escalation of mantas, when they died in a improper way, their skeletons will be left (proper way is to rebirth in orbit). if their skeletons are corrupted, the skeletons will become the krill
Wow. That’s a big oof for the skeleton in Forest then, I suppose
yeah
If darkness hates light.. then why don't they invent massive flashlight
Jk
There is not electricity on sky...
The sun
but they do have thunder and lightning tho.. meaning that they have some charged current
The sun is not a proper flashlight
Quiet

Tis an amazing flashlight
Everyone is t h o n k
Maybe they haven't found a magnet yet
So they have flying boats that can steer itself but not electricity
You see when you invented something... You gonna stick to it..
Which if they invented the power diamond which can levitate and produce lift ....
Demand for a new kind of power is basically nothing
Basically there's no reason for electricity...
Where is that boop?
Can normal spirits make sound
ohhh first time to discover that hole
It appears that the power diamond shrink everytime it sucks my skykid light...
Also it has that black dandruff...
Or whatever you called it..
That black thing is the same as when you about to die on eden..
There a little black thing falling of our skykids when we are unlit and about to die..
The same thing happen even if you lit yourself back...
For this effect to happen..
I think you need to get hit by the rock storm first.. go unlit and the black thing will start falling off your body even if you lit yourself back
And that rock storm will be red when it the ground..
I'm trying to conclude my theory but I don't know how to tie things up
So maybe there is a connection for why this is happening?
Power diamond sucks our light and the black thing start falling...
We get hit by the storm and the same thing happen.....
It sort of contradict back and forth.
Maybe the power diamond receive light and the black dandruff just fall off? Just like how we burn dark plants?
Is it that the darkness is escaping from it?
But that contradict to why there the same black dandruff on our skykid when we are about to die.
Is darkness yeet itself out of our body? But why?
Or is it that darkness is growing inside our skykid? That has full of light? I thought that black dandruff is afraid of light...
So yeah it contradict back and forth...
If you can clear this theory go ahead. Ping me
the big diamond just vibrates and thanos snaps the whole wedges (i touched the big ones before
)
so u lose all light
the black dandruff is found flying everywhere in eden
I think that the black particles are like a fungus. They grow, corrupting everything that they touch.
even before entering eden
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im guessing the eden dandruff sticks to us when we lose our light then when we get lighted up/recharge the dandruff kinda melts away
What are the children exactly?

can someone teach my dumdum brain about theories abt the seventh star
use the search thing and look up seventh star for this chat
yeaa
i wanna see him :,)
doesnt exist anymore tho
i know
makes me@sad
yeah i saw that
okay i don’t know if anyone knows steven universe but it kind of reminds me of how things break apart, once things go back together everything can be okay again and krills are just.. corrupted sky kids, maybe multiple of them
it’s not an uncommon story line but it really does seem similar, along with krills
maybe they’re just lost sky kids who are corrupted by.. something
i don’t know what
What if you can’t fix it?
in the show i was talking about, the diamonds (basically the royalty) all come together to help the corrupted gems and use their powers to help
and true
we don’t know of those powers in sky
though we can fly with a damb c a p e so anything is possible lmao
How else would you fly?
i mean
i first thought the cape was wings when i was a moth

yeah but like it’s a ca pe
How do superheroes fly?
they have powers
With a cape
h uh 
(Except for the pretty ones)
much confuse
it is 😭
but think if you had a cape irl
it’s
cloth
but the light makes it able to fly?
It’s probably cloth in game as well
the cape is just secretly made out of wl that pushie pushie B)
The only reason we can’t fly in real life is because we have no winged light
Mabby krill are the enbodyment of death in sky and thats why they lurk around in eden and the wastland
i said before i think they’re corrupted 👀
maybe the eden elder is toxic and just an overall evil person, made the stars fall and corrupted the krills in the meantime and decided to use them as his guards ig
wasteland may just be where they were accident
but he decided to use them in eden since they’re useful
Eden Elder=The King
oo maybe
