up to you man
#lore-discussion-spoilers
spring blaze
willow shoal
the miner’s sad memories show us some miners were trapped and some were corrupted
tender dune
Does it not imply that spirits die twice then?
@delicate coral no?
Its a memory
You're seeing their past life
Back when they lived that moment
spring blaze
like graves irl are there to mark where the dead was buried. doesnt mean the graves we see in social space is where the spirits were buried haha
hidden scaffold
also in a game, you gotta make it easy for players to access spirits without traveling thru maps ;v
delicate coral
Obviously lol
tender dune
It shows us her memory:
They were trapped in this place,
2 tried to dig but the rocks collapsed on them (causing them to die)
1 got corrupted by the plant or died from the plant [unsure] (causing him to die)
Last one remaining was the girl
willow shoal
that’s why she cried
hidden scaffold
yeah, and more areas are unlocked as seasons keeps coming
speaking of season areas, we havent seen the whole story of sanctuary yet huh? or did it already exist? 
spring blaze
ktjn said something about it actually!
hidden scaffold
Ooh where?
spring blaze
“Sanctuary is a little different, we wanted to create a getaway vacation experience because so many of us have been in lockdown for many, many months. Not everything is necessarily official canon for this season. Though that can be applied to any season. Sometimes we need to break the fourth wall a bit to create good gameplay experiences.”
willow shoal
i’m not sure if a creature or ancient is corrupted by the darkness, it can be back to the holy land and completely reborn
when the king was corrupted by his dark crown, he cant leave eden and became a scary monster to stop the skykids
hidden scaffold
if thats the case
:"v so if a crab gets corrupted it cant be a nice crab anymore
inner comet
this may be a dumb theory but eh,i dont know much about the story of sky😭
anyways i think sky kids may have a relation with the prince???? I mean,hes the same height and almost has the same figure as sky kids,,plus in one of the concepts he had a cape thingy but im not sure
he also has that diamond thingy thats on our forehead
willow shoal
the power of light and flame can refresh the darkness,but why not megabird used its power to refresh the prince and waste realm?
spring blaze
taiga no worries! all theories are welcome here 
also theres a buncha people who think the same 
tender dune
Some think that the megabird is basically (repenting?) the prince/king to relive in a loop as punishment
hidden scaffold
Megabird seems to work in mysterious ways. it seems to balance dark rather than destroy it entirely :"D
willow shoal
so when darkness and light were in disorder, it created skykids to balance and spread flame everywhere
inner comet
maybe sky kids are ascended from the prince
hidden scaffold
but... maybe because of the existence of skykids in the game concept, perhaps the prince isnt that useful anymore
maybe we already equate to what the prince could do
before everyone disappeared
inner comet
Idk im not the best with english, but its like the avatar cycle yknow
inner comet
No worries
tender dune
gray bridge
can't find any leitmotifs today 
also i can only hear exhale in stormlock, but apparently it's the deep that plays instead, can't hear it
wispy canopy
Just wanna confirm leitmotif are sounds that give clues
gray bridge
they could be
it depends, some leitmotifs are more to convey themes/ideas of sky like friendship/connection to the light, being a hero, etc.
the only clue i've gotten from volume 1 ost would be the one for elder
gray bridge
i think i explained it before hold on
listen to 'lost and found' from the ost, the first 20 seconds or so
around there is where what i call the 'elder' leitmotif plays, which can be found in 'rousing alight', 'shall we play' and 'the story thus far' which are the themes that play in the isle, valley and vault elders cutscenes respectively
gilded fossil
/yall why is there a place that looks similar to vault summit while flying to orbit?
gray bridge
hmm
vault summit represents orbit i guess
our ascent to vault summit could be like a foreshadow to our ascent to orbit
gilded fossil
/yee
/also consider the vault is said to be a dream or sth
/anyways, when was "lost and found" played in the game
/sounds familiar, but i have no idea where it is
gray bridge
lost and found plays when you hug the shiny kiddo in eden
oh yes the leitmotif, so the 'elder' leitmotif plays during lost and found
gilded fossil
/hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
gray bridge
so it would imply that
gilded fossil
/you think the shiny boi an elder????
gray bridge
have you listened to the ost o:
gilded fossil
/also, he's there everytime we go to eden
/hugs him, he dissapears
/so like, that sorta confirms the skids are part of the king/prince/idk
gray bridge
it's like we fuse i think
gilded fossil
/ye so what about when we die by not going to eden
gray bridge
i've never experienced that before-
gilded fossil
/do we just.. sepearate whenever we lose all our lights?
/ah, try looking into capeless tutorials
/no wait, when you do capeless you see a winged light and not the shiny boi
gray bridge
o yes it is a shiny boi
for deaths outside of eden
then in eden it would be golden shiny boi
gilded fossil
/sitting shiny boi
round musk
We know that the fallen are saved by receiving winged light, so when we die the shiny boi must represent our light being returned to us
And we know shiny bois are related to the child of light, who is most likely the king
So that means we’re indeed hugging the king at the end
gilded fossil
/so wat if we return light to statue, sitting shiny boi gives us his like
/his light to us
/dark stuff arent bad guys
wispy canopy
Hey guys, I'm back with today's report
Wanna hear?
Something unnatural caused the downfall of forest
mild lark
wispy canopy
An important event took place that messed up forest's landscape to the point of uprooting big trees, breaking pots and destroying graves
mild lark
How did you come out with that conclusion
wispy canopy
The souls we see take place at different poitnd in time, some take place before, maybe during and after the bang
Prairie spirits happened before the kaboom, that's my thoughts at least
Wasteland spirits, scout and follow the broken areas, meaning these stuff had to be broken for them to scout there, thus kaboom messed it up, and survivors which are the spirits, went and died
How did you come out with that conclusion
@mild lark is that sarcasm or an honest question, I'm confused
mild lark
Honest questions
gray bridge
for those three stones, they're gravestones or makeshift ones at least
wispy canopy
The landscape is not affected after a long period of time in order for 8t to be affected, an earthquaje or something of sorts(the kaboom) had to mess up the ground, and effect the land to break everything,
mild lark
I'm starting to think that there a nuclear device ruined sky lol
wispy canopy
for those three stones, they're gravestones or makeshift ones at least
@gray bridge
They look like gravestones, that were broken
gray bridge
they were always broken in the spirit cutscene
wispy canopy
Cutscene?
mild lark
Don't you guys think that the diamond factory is used to make the giant darkstone at eden?
My theory suggests thats there is lot more factories than just two...
wispy canopy
The diamond factory make the diamonds we know however the diamond in Eden looks like an unstable radioactive element
mild lark
Maybe that what make it KaBOOM
gray bridge
wispy canopy
It was literally shaking and broken apart> The diamond factory make the diamonds we know however the diamond in Eden looks like an unstable radioactive element
@wispy canopy
mild lark
It was normal darkstone but suddenly because of how massive it is just become unstable and explode...
We know that darkstone make things floats
So maybe that why the castle above eden is floating...
wispy canopy
Tru that and a possible kaboom could've shoved it with force to go up that far
mild lark
Made a fanart for this theory too..
mild lark
wispy canopy
This seems ideal
mild lark
The king is admiring this beauty before it exploded lol
Tbh
I don't like making theory on how king or skykid originated
I just like making theory on how the world become the way it is
I think king is trying to turn sky into an industrial zone...
And I like to think that eden is the main powerhouse for all the factory... Supplying power to all of them
And the pipe we see on eden is just for cooling solutions...
Cooling that red hot crystal.
Hence why there is alot of water at the stormlock
At the water that touch the stone become toxic and became the way it is right now
Now I really need to know who is the plumber of this place.. the pipe system is just so terrible.
Pipe management just sucks
gilded fossil
/they jusst broke all of them
orchid crypt
the one in the top-right is literally broken
gilded fossil
/also, i have never seen workers with helmets so that jusst made it worst
/safety hazzards jeeez
mild lark
Also how did they build it... That pipe is made of stone..
So brittle and they manage to make it into a pipe
They don't have concrete do they?
sinful anvil
the vault is the only realm besides isle of dawn to not have a closet for cosmetics. even eden has cosmetics before u depart.
knowledge rly doesnt care about dress
wispy canopy
Must show how much they value knowledge above dress code and material
gilded fossil
/i know so much i dont even wear clothes
compact olive
Heya guys.
gilded fossil
/hullo ozzy
compact olive
Does anyone know about the original soundtrack?
My main question has to deal with its relevance to the story/lore.
There’s a song called “two heroes” in the sky game.
gilded fossil
/it's the map 5 elder
compact olive
And I was hoping someone could verify where this music is played
gilded fossil
/WHO IS THE OTHER ONE??
gray bridge
two heroes plays during wasteland elder's cutscene
compact olive
So it’s played in golden wasteland?
Ah, during the cut scene... no wonder I could find it. Damn skip button
gray bridge
yes
compact olive
Thank you
gray bridge
it could be wasteland elder and our skykid because we go around saving spirits
hushed steeple
The anotherhero might be the skykid...
compact olive
I can see that....
I guess.
I don’t know if a fallen elder would be considered a hero though
Depends on the perspective of “who” is calling them “heroes”
In old concept the elder was supposed to save the sky kid
gilded fossil
/i think the two heroes refers to two people leading each of the clan in the war
hushed steeple
That's could be possible as well
compact olive
Jenn, I was also thinking the same. The diamond shields leader?
Because when the elder is awoken he immediately is in battle stance, as if his last action was to do battle with someone
gilded fossil
/from what i see the spear has ability similar to power diamonds, so i'm guessing GW elder kept his enemy's weapon
compact olive
Actually Jenn, I believe that is his weapon. In old concepts he was directed to build the fortress for the king
But keeping his foe’s weapon does have a certain spark of interest to it
You think he kept the weapon because it killed him or because he killed the foe and kept it for ritualistic reasons (keep what you kill/keep your foe’s weapon to honor his strength )?
When does “the cloud messenger” play?
Im too busy man crying when we die and go to orbit to hear the music
orchid crypt
"Cloud messenger" sounds like the original version of what plays just before you fly into the ball of light that is orbit
i.e. the "flying in space" part of the ascent
wait, correction: it plays exactly in the transition between the parts of ascent where you're flying up the castle ruins and flying in space
compact olive
Is there like a document of where these are played, for references?
orchid crypt
if you manage to stall yourself long enough after flying past what looks like the top floor of vault so that you don't go into the space/floating spirits section immediately, it plays something similar to the cloud messenger as a sort of placeholder/waiting theme to blend the OSTs of the two sections together
not that i'm aware of
"Flight" is when you're flying up the mountain after hugging the glowing child, which fades into "The Cloud Messenger" as you fly past the top of the Eden castle ruins for a few seconds before "The Light Beyond" takes over when you see the spirits floating in space
that's the best way i can describe those 3 themes in particular
listen from 3:10 onwards here, it's a good example of what happens if you hang around in the castle ascent section too long:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KvhcAkt88s
compact olive
“Messenger” is a term used for Talmudic Angels...
if we are flying to ....heaven(Megabird/orbit) from the cloud world of sky.
Do you think this might have references to what a sky kid actually is?
An angel of Megabird ?
open hill
orchid crypt
the "messenger" thing isn't unique to "Talmudic Angels", i'm not sure what those are -- the latin root word for angel means the same thing
i kinda see them more as "errand children" myself, but that's pretty much what a messenger is in a sense
i just debate "messenger" semantically because i'm not sure what message they're bringing -- they're definitely bringing candles and light around though
gilded fossil
/they bring hope then?
compact olive
The Talmud is basically the Old Testament of the Bible and the original holy collection of Moses and other scholars
i just debate "messenger" semantically because i'm not sure what message they're bringing -- they're definitely bringing candles and light around though
@orchid crypt in Christian literature the messengers would bring all kinds of messages whatever “God” wanted to say to man...but his biggest and most important message....
Was forgiveness....
Maybe the message that Megabird wants to give the elders is a message of forgiveness ?
orchid crypt
i see it as more salvation myself from the sky kids, but i can't really argue with that angle either
compact olive
I try not to use too much or any Judeo-Christian theology when interpreting Sky because of the huge eastern cultural impact on the game design, but it oddly seems to fit when I can’t think of anything else
gilded fossil
/also speaking of eastern, most of they skid can squat. find 1 western guy over 20 who can squat
delicate coral
I think it would also be wrong to rule out any Judeo-Christian theology in interpretation anyway, the last area is called ‘Eden’ after all so there’s clearly some inspiration taken from there
The extent is definitely up for debate though
compact olive
Im a westerner who can squat... but I’ll need assistance getting up again, does that count?
True words dropman
gilded fossil
/okay, i'll take that
/anyways the game seem to have a lot of religion as inspiration
sinful anvil
friendly reminder skykids can leap and give each other piggybacks and do a handstand without bare training
i doubt its based on christian bc god or not, the presence of elders is lowkey polythestic
compact olive
I know it’s like 1 hour into their birth from the candle and boom! They see a backflip handstand and on the first try bam! They’ve mastered it.
gilded fossil
i doubt its based on christian bc god or not, the presence of elders is lowkey polythestic
@sinful anvil /catholic then?
delicate coral
I doubt it’s based on any one religious tradition in isolation
sinful anvil
isnt catholic a branch of christianity..?
delicate coral
But I also think that it probably has elements of many major religions, Christianity included
Or more accurately probably abrahamic traditions, since I doubt the difference between Islam, Judaism, and Christianity with Jesus/Muhammad/neither would be in the game
sinful anvil
i doubt catholicism is polythestic too. otherwise im gonna be pretty surprised
gilded fossil
isnt catholic a branch of christianity..?
@sinful anvil /im just talking about the fact that's it's polyesthc
delicate coral
Catholicism is monotheistic
sinful anvil
i thought polyesthic means more than 1 .. god
compact olive
Spearmonkey, how did you know where the cloud messenger music was placed in-game?
gilded fossil
Catholicism is monotheistic
@delicate coral /wait...they have like a bunch of saints
tender dune
mono - one
poly - many
delicate coral
Theism is pertaining to gods
Saints aren’t deity figures in Christianity
They’re kind of like role models, but not gods
compact olive
Well... if there’s a pantheon of god’s then I believe so, Pale. But there’s a believe in certain religions where there is one god and several lessor beings under that god
gilded fossil
Saints aren’t deity figures in Christianity
@delicate coral /ah apologies
delicate coral
No need to apologise, it’s all about learning
compact olive
Saints...no, not deities, but definitely revered over regular men/women and (to an extent) worships/honored for their contributions to humanity and to god’s work
It’s customary to pray/show great respect to your patron saint
delicate coral
The main thing that differentiates a saint from a regular person is that you make prayers through them (in a process called intercession)
compact olive
Maybe the elders are a mix between saints and demigods ?
delicate coral
I think that spirits probably have a pantheon of gods including all the elders, but the elders are monotheistic, worshipping the CoL?
As in, the elders aren’t actually gods, but they’re regarded as gods by the spirits
compact olive
A hierarchy within the hierarchy
compact olive
I can see Leo cap voicing one of the elders
That’s a very interesting and probable take on the Sky religious pecking order Dropman
Do you also believe or have an alteration on the luciferian idea about the King?
delicate coral
Perhaps the king is the corruption in the Child of Light, and was cast out to keep the CoL pure or something
Hm that’s a bit shaky though
I’d need to ponder on that one a bit more
compact olive
Take your time, but I like where you’re already headed
delicate coral
Okay so let’s suppose that the CoL is a being of pure light
“Darkness came” as per the intro, and it’s manifestation with the CoL is the king
As a result, the megabird or the CoL itself cast out the elders and the king, separating light from dark
There’s our lucifer metaphor
Then
In the ending, with the light hugging the dark, the story comes to the conclusion that they shouldn’t be separate, but should embrace each other
An “ecology of light and dark”
Defined by their interaction rather than their separation
Maybe something along those lines
Very rough but you get the idea I think
compact olive
I love that!
And I do!
This seems to have subtext of an anti-discriminatory nature.
A message of oneness rather than defined differences (light/darkness)
delicate coral
Yeah, and that is kind of where it would be splitting off from the Abrahamic faith in the storytelling
gilded fossil
/also the mural in ark confirms this
delicate coral
It does?
compact olive
hushed steeple
I have a theory tangential to the religious interpretation mentioned here, i have to go now i will explain it later if any of you are still interested
gilded fossil
/go ahead lambie
wispy canopy
Hey guys what's the topic
compact olive
Hey iKing !
wispy canopy
Hey oz
gilded fossil
/religions
compact olive
Jennifer was about to link in game mural storytelling to dropman’s theory of oneness between the light/darkness message
wispy canopy
Gd goin Jennifer
gilded fossil
/also that murals also show people collecting and worshipping light
wispy canopy
They taste gd too
gilded fossil
/#stopgrillingcrabs
gilded fossil
/the murals?
compact olive
I think that bluespirit was working on a document of screenshots of the murals
thorn spade
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wanton raptor
I have a smol theory for wasteland
short owl
... thatskyrab, that's a link to a google doc
wanton raptor
I think it’s pretty good
short owl
containing lore info
compact olive
Credit to bluespirit for that link I believe iKing
short owl
OOOH LOL the letters are in the url XDXDXD
compact olive
Let’s hear it Sussie. And welcome if you’re new to lore chat (if not then my apologies)
Hey Null!
short owl
Hi. Distracted bc I'm playing Sky at the moment but I'll see some stuff
wanton raptor
I’m gonna grab some screenshots and I’ll explain
compact olive
Eagerly listening
short owl
I found markings and an oob at the end of orbit, but the lighting was too rough to grab any good screenshots. I'll try again with a tabler later
gilded fossil
/table or tablet
thorn spade
stone pillar
isthisajojoreference
short owl
No?
wanton raptor
wanton raptor
These things look similar
It’s also in a desert looking environment
Just something I noticed while watching a play through of journey
Not completely saying there’s 100% a connection
wispy canopy
Hey guys, had something to do I'm back
Crabs in sky taste gd
Credit to bluespirit for that link I believe iKing
@compact oliveI'm confusious bud, what I'd mean
compact olive
I sent you link made by bluespirit for the murals Jennifer was talking about for the crabs point she was making about Dropman’s theory of light combining with darkness for oneness instead of segregation
Whew!
Sussie you have a great point. Those are rather glaring similarities in design and aesthetics
Do you know anything about the story behind Journey?
gilded fossil
/question did we update the end scene in vault
compact olive
Maybe if there is a link between the games there could be some lore goodies in that game to help answer the story of this game?
wispy canopy
That's quite possible
compact olive
Crap! I totally forgot and didn’t even go to elder on my run yesterday (Jenn)
wispy canopy
But they taste so gd.... Should I stop 
gilded fossil
/yall
/i am guiding moth
/we were going from valley to wasteland
/and i see a megafish/bird
/while flying
wind bone
There’s no link between sky and journey sky is just a spiritual successor
Sky has many similarities between all of tgcs past games
gilded fossil
/spiritual
compact olive
I’ve gotta fun for a bit guys. Gotta get groomed. Covid beard is not cute. But when I come back please update me on what I missed.
Ater Lay lore buds
wind bone
I mean Sky was supposed to be a direct sequel to cloud and now it has 0 ties into its story
inner comet
ok but a little headcanon:
i belive the king and prince may be like father and son,while elders may not have parents and such,the king may be like a guardian to the prince. but anyways,what if after the king got corrupted and spread darkness across the realms/kingdoms, the prince decided to fix his "fathers" mistake? Maybe he fused with some sort of light creature/sorce and he became the first sky kid?? (This is a wip btw sorry if its all over the place)
Also now that i think about it,if he went to eden he probably wouldnt get reborn since hes not made fully of light
short owl
Guys minor thing but pots on the inside of the butterfly door don't have the diamonds in them
This means the glowing diamonds are parts that can be removed
sinful anvil
i went to the vault end scene today & explored the ruined vault for a bit & cant get to the second floor
static spoke
wispy canopy
Hey oliver
hot gyro
can i keep spoilers untagged here since it's a spoiler channel
lethal stump
yes
mild lark
The ship on shipwreck look like a cargo ship
frozen pivot
It is
mild lark
But my point is... You don't need that huge of ship to transport item only for sky
maybe that ship come from somewhere else
frozen pivot
The ark is larger than that and it isnt even a cargo ship
lethal stump
it’s a water ship
probably meant to go out towards the horizon
frozen pivot
Ark ship, according to the concepts, was made to escape wasteland
frozen pivot
And now its been turned into a boat for scholar-like spirits
lethal stump
FA and the concept ark are entirely different
frozen pivot
Ik that im just saying how it came to be
mild lark
Why is that one ship don't have wing or pedals
frozen pivot
Its a cargo ship
lethal stump
imo I don’t think that it’s from the sky kingdom
mild lark
Almost all ship on sky kingdom just fly with pedal...
Except maybe the ship wasn't manufactured on sky kingdom
We see a ship workshop on prairie that produce similar looking boat
lethal stump
when you say pedal, do you mean oar ?
mild lark
I don't know English well lol.. oar or pedal or bicycle
frozen pivot
I mean gw have huge pipes
Other realms doesnt have pipes
Idk why i went for that but ye
Pipes
mild lark
Pipe are cool
lethal stump
what do pipes have to do with it ?
mild lark
Idk
Cargo ship supposed to make a long journey and carrying a huge cargo for maximum efficiency
And considering it doesn't fly
It must be that flying boats is only exclusive for sky kingdom with their darkstone
mild lark
What make boat floating is darkstone ... And the factory in sky is too produce darkstone...
And the other regions in the world probably don't have darkstone..
Hmm I can see some capitalism in action here ...
King is trying to sell this darkstone technology by making alot of darkstone and sells them to other regions ...
frozen pivot
But the realm doesnt go on a straight path towards other realms
Gw and eden could be connected
So does gw and vault but on different places
mild lark
Hence probably why this is here... The ship is exporting sky kingdoms technology!
Yes eden and gw has some similarities
Both are dark and heavily damaged
And they have krills
lethal stump
But the realm doesnt go on a straight path towards other realms
what do you mean by this ? The realms seem pretty linear to me
uneven sonnet
Why is there boats on the Isle of dawn temple island..?
mild lark
Yeah because isle of dawn is boat theme realm.. like even the elders wear a boat like headstone
mild lark
Even the temple has alot of boat used as decoration
gray bridge
serious answer: i doubt isle had a lot of resources as it's the least technologically advanced of all realms, and i believe the water level was higher than we see now, so boats were most likely very prominent in isle
maybe to the point of using it as decoration
uneven sonnet
Probably they sailed here a long time ago..
Also weird that most spirits don’t have a home
mild lark
Isle of dawn is a port of some kind... Because that is alot of boat
Also in prairie! The boat constructed there
uneven sonnet
Point’s house - Probably this exited is when the sea level started to sink, so he decided to make his house here.
mild lark
Look
steady tundra
Who has the old eden map
sinful gull
I DO!
steady tundra
Send pls
steady tundra
Thanks:3
sinful gull
you’re welcome!
gray bridge
i doubt isle was a place for residential areas, valley was where mostly everyone resided
steady tundra
How about the scrapped time line
steady tundra
:3 thank ya
lethal stump
mild lark
How high is the sea level tho
sinful gull
Hi bricky!!!
mild lark
Jeez you guys are so fast
gray bridge
i think the sea level was about as high as the ledge in isle that's below you when you fly to temple?
mild lark
Hmm
lethal stump
what with the murals though ? they’re all below sea level
sinful gull
There’s areas where you can see water marks too
mild lark
So people still need to fly
uneven sonnet
Also weird thing that How did sparkler spirit and plead spirit meet..?
Sorry this was in my mind so much I can’t
gray bridge
oh yes true, maybe the murals were made after the water levels subsided? i could be wrong
sparkler and plead spirit?
uneven sonnet
Two of them are belonging spirits btw
mild lark
Now my theory suggests that flying boat with oar is exclusively made by sky kingdom... Because the boat is constructed on prairie with the darkstone...
So maybe the boat doesn't fly has gone away before the water dried
normal berry
I have been summoned
lethal stump
Hello Ri 
normal berry
Hi 
mild lark
Hi Ri!
gray bridge
yo riri 
lethal stump
Oh, Headpat Stan, all of the belonging spirits are a family, that’s how they know each other
normal berry
the only thing i know about belonging is how much i want that little bell
uneven sonnet
Actually it’s hard how Sparkler and Plead met because they don’t have each other in their memories
Sparkler is trying to get to the storage room (to find fireworks and sparklers I think)
while Plead just... Crab.. He tries to get a crab.. But it ran away
lethal stump
They’re family
They’re all together in the ending cutscene
uneven sonnet
I saw it and it hit me like a truck
mild lark
cries in new android moff
normal berry
Cries in android
lethal stump
I think
Loop dance, Confetti, and Hair Tousle are the kids
Sparkler is the mom
Don’t go is the dad
Wise stance is grandpa
And then the quest giver was grandma
oh i wasnt there either
im an ios moff
but i know this from watching videos
uneven sonnet
red cape for the kids, black cape for the parents, and the white cape for the grandparents
lethal stump
yes
mild lark
Do you guys think that the giant darkstone at eden is manufactured at a factory? Or is it just there?
gray bridge
yeah, imagine transporting that giant 
mild lark
I recently noticed this .... This show that the forest is indeed producing darkstone
normal berry
I should make a diagram explaining my theoretical anatomy of the power diamond
but after my prince redesign
I still need to finish that
mild lark
Anatomy of darkstone?
normal berry
Power diamonds aren't completely darkstone imo
frozen pivot
Yes but darkstone is dark
normal berry
There is no cannon explanation for it
gray bridge
yeah
mild lark
Power diamond has that blueish glow inside inside it right?
normal berry
My theory is that power diamonds have a darkstone outer layer, and a "lightstone" core
gray bridge
there's a mural on forest temple door that may explain power diamond creation
mild lark
Do you have pictures of it? Res?
normal berry
I say that in quotations because it is a fannon name i made, for a material that is implied to exist
frozen pivot
Forest temple door murals have boats, supposedly from prairie shipping light pots to forest
normal berry
There are docks in forest too
normal berry
Power diamonds do a lot of things
gray bridge
i can't find it rn, but on the door it seems like material from prairie (yellow) and material from forest (blue) was used to create power diamonds
mild lark
Hmm
normal berry
Maybe there are darkstone deposits in prairie, which is why darkness plants grow there with seemingly no sources of darkness
mild lark
Dark plant?
normal berry
Nope
frozen pivot
Kek
normal berry
not really at least
mild lark
Yes... One time I go too fast and it actually slapped me when it was destroying the building
normal berry
its old concepts but some can still be accepted as fanon
mild lark
Since when did shiny bois has hair
frozen pivot
Goddang tgc do be playing the vague game hard
gray bridge
just concept art tings
mild lark
Shiny bois is better with hair
normal berry
We have hair when we hugg da boy and become one with the shiny
when we fly to orbit i think we become the connected
mild lark
but my phone will commit not living
normal berry
the indifferent is something interesting to me, though
mild lark
Why?
normal berry
I dont know, they just look interesting
and i wonder what they would've been like in the current game
frozen pivot
Seems to me like those are skids of different kinds
normal berry
I think our "indifferent" form is when we are grey after we die in eden
mild lark
Maybe outsiders... Comes from other places
frozen pivot
Cotl are connected, statues are indifferent and hybrid are us
gray bridge
i think it depends on how much light they had to be indifferent/connected? but the skids we have rn are probably in the balanced
mild lark
Don't forget that sky isn't too big...
Sometimes something must come from somewhere else...
normal berry
corrupted skids tho
mild lark
someception
frozen pivot
Looks like an off brand groot
gray bridge
corrupt descendant look like he about to drop the mixtape of the century
lethal stump
looks like the prince
mild lark
Damn corrupted skykid is hitting that dab
frozen pivot
Do be looking slick with those finger sticks
normal berry
corrupted descended do be t-posing to assert dominance doe
willow shoal
the corrupt skykids are on the way to eden
lethal stump
the way the darkstone grows on their head
normal berry
Cause princy boi had a spiky mask
sinful anvil
this is less aesthetic than i supposed
normal berry
eh? aesthetic?
mild lark
King's head represent a lit candles... No?
lethal stump
personally i don’t think so
frozen pivot
Are candles canon tho
normal berry
ooh, not the child of dark you expected lol
mild lark
Candles are everywhere
frozen pivot
But are they canon
normal berry
Rule no 1 of darkstone: nothing that is corrupted is pretty
sinful anvil
yeah 
normal berry
However, this isnt cannon anymore
frozen pivot
Why are crabs gorgeous tho
normal berry
so it really dosen't matter what your corrupted skykid looks like, pale
mild lark
I think the sky kingdom became the way it is because they commit a war crime by seeing crab as livestock...
Jk
but there is crab getting roasted on graveyard tho
normal berry
Punished for their crimes
lethal stump
gn smiley !
mild lark
You too
lethal stump
i just woke up
compact olive
Where does this lead?
lethal stump
OOB
compact olive
Has anyone ever OOB’d there ?
lethal stump
plenty of people
outside is a blue sky and water on the ground, like most oobs
eden itself is a ball of clouds
lethal stump
I haven’t seen anything
you can get someone to take you in #looking-for-group-live if you want
wispy canopy
Hey bricky can u help me with something
lethal stump
Sûre, whats up ?
lethal stump
That’s the only one, in game
wispy canopy
Also how've u been bud
lethal stump
I don’t know any irl languages that look that way
short owl
Got a couple of pics of the lines, which can be found in screenshots and videos
kinda looks like a megabird
lethal stump
Lines ?
short owl
There's a line based artwork in Orbit which is like... never seen
short owl
Spoilered because I don't feel like renaming again
No, I don't know why we see Prarie social
lethal stump
ooo
lethal stump
orbit
if you look at the orbit portal at the right angle, you can see the realm portals i think
short owl
Idk... This is like... All the pics I got
wispy canopy
short owl
It's hard without table
wispy canopy
That's gd ferral
short owl
CAUSE I'M NULL
lethal stump
their name is « Null »
wispy canopy
Then what's with the ferral
lethal stump
also that’s not how you spell Feral
short owl
I don't know what "following feral" means
sly kestrel
King's head represent a lit candles... No?
@mild lark no
wispy canopy
Mind If I call u feral null
It'd be easier seeing that others are called null
Personally can I call u that
Oh wait
Sry misunderstood nvm, null
short owl
Because mercy on players
sinful anvil
ya … thank god 
short owl
Krill used to be able to hear us
short owl
Yes
They may be a different breed
I could see sexual dimorphism
if they don't it may mean all creatures get yeeted
Relevant old discussion
Also I stand by the fact that my skykid has no gender
hushed steeple
I actually adore that the game has gender-neutrality. I guess you could say we’re all non-binary :3
Well some of us x3
lethal stump
all things in sky are designed to be gender neutral
well
- glances at forest mom *
mostly
imo skids are enby icons
spring blaze
gender is a social construct, different from biological sex
lethal stump
yep
however it’s important to keep in mind that expression and gender are very linked
in most cultures, your expression is dependent on your gender, even if that’s not necessarily true
and a lot of the places sky is marketed to and is popular in has this view of expression and gender being linked
specifically with hair and such
so even if the devs intend for everything to be gender neutral
the designs of the characters will inevitably lead to homogeneity in their headcanoned genders
hushed steeple
skykids can but don’t have to have gender, but they definitely do not have biological sex
they’re all made by some higher entity
lethal stump
we’re probably clay sculptures anyways :p
hushed steeple
oh? i’ve only heard people theorize that it’s wax
lethal stump
iirc, the sound effects for skids were made using clay, so some think that we’re sentient clay statues
like Golems from jewish mythology
chrome coyote
Sorry to interrupt the discussion, but I’m here for a sec, just to ask if it’s possible at all to predict what next traveling spirit is gonna be?
golden cave
Is Tibet related to Jewish?
lethal stump
No, they’re on opposite sides of the world
golden cave
uuuuuuhhh
lethal stump
Tibet is next to China
Israël is on the Mediterranean
golden cave
Ouh Jewish is from Israel then
chrome coyote
Ah okay yeah I know for questions and help, but I still dk how to label things as a spoiler since I thought traveling spirit may be a spoiler to some...sorry i seriously am dumb probably, I don’t get how to mark a text as a spoiler.....
pastel brookBOT
To spoiler tag text, highlight your text and select “Mark as spoiler”, or type || on either side of your text ||like this||
golden cave
It’s okay you can ask everything is question and help channel
chrome coyote
Ah okay okay, thanks 😭
golden cave
Hmm I don’t think krills can hear anything....maybe....
Coz in real life they just sit in that group and just see if they can run or not...but instead,they just stayed in group....
Until that whale swallow all of them....
But that whale in Sky is in extinction right?
chrome coyote
Yay it worked.
golden cave
Coz there is a lot of whale skeleton...one in forest...some in GW and some in Vault...
sly kestrel
vault doesn’t rlly count
glad forge
Perhaps some crystals hit them
cedar beacon
What's the eden explosion tho?
glad forge
Oof I dont think im the right person to tell you, but I will try
So basically the king are the orb
lethal stump
the eden explosion is a theory that goes like so:
The Eden Diamond (big red thing in stormlock) was a massive power diamond which became overloaded with energy and exploded, causing somewhat of a nuclear fallout throughout the kingdom
glad forge
Oh Someone has the image of the king?
lethal stump
Hello new Lore Moff!
Read this short document to get started!
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto/edit
cedar beacon
Okay!
glad forge
Kings statues can also be found in Golden Wasteland battlefield
lethal stump
Yes he is, just not in the way we expect
cedar beacon
And where is he?
glad forge
Only on concept art and the statues mentioned before
cold steppe
all the devs have confirmed is that the king still exists
lethal stump
and that he’s in game
cedar beacon
Can I see the concept art?
glad forge
Yes excactly
lethal stump
cedar beacon
And can I see pictures of him ingame?
lethal stump
cedar beacon
What happened to the king?
lethal stump
cedar beacon
Did the krill killed him?
lethal stump
we’re still trying to figure that out
cedar beacon
Or corrupt him?
glad forge
We are also trying to figure out that too
lethal stump
Xkinso, the lore of sky is intentionally vague
aside from theories and canon lore, we don’t know anything
cedar beacon
Oh
glad forge
Probably cuz of the crystal
chrome coyote
Wow wow didn’t notice everyone talking about story of the game thanks )))
cedar beacon
Whut?
lethal stump
also, my introduction doc that i sent you :3
cold steppe
the beauty about the Sky lore is that there really isn't a lot of canonical information, so all theories are welcome! TGC made the story purposely vague to allow for everyone to have their own interpretation of it!
cedar beacon
I'm confused
compact olive
Did some one say Bet?
cedar beacon
Can I have a picture of the megabird?
compact olive
As in Princess Bet?
Bricky! There’s a song in wasteland that’s called “Two heroes”
glad forge
Oh no
lethal stump
Yes, that’s the elder song
compact olive
(Raising and lowering eyebrows)
lethal stump
glad forge
One is dead and the second one is weak
compact olive
Lol
glad forge
This my first tough about the name
compact olive
Yes... the dead one
Might possibly, maybe even slightly could be....
None other than...
cedar beacon
Can I have a picture of the megabird?
glad forge
So there were 9 elders (counting Eden one)
compact olive
I have pic on my other device Xkinso
lethal stump
9 ?
cedar beacon
Show me!
cedar beacon
I still wanna see megabird
compact olive
Yes Null but evidence is rising in support of her!! All hail princess bet!!
lethal stump
glad forge
There are 7 elders we see in game, Eden one and now the one who was probably the second Wasteland elder
cedar beacon
What is that?
lethal stump
Megabird
short owl
Concept Megabird
glad forge
So there are 9
glad forge
Its just a name
cold steppe
what is princess bet?
lethal stump
Imo, « two heroes » refers to the two characters we see in the cutscene, ourselves and Wasteland Elder
compact olive
That’s a good question Xkinso
glad forge
Oh no
cedar beacon
I think I have seen mega bird
lethal stump
us, who might be a reincarnation of the king/prince who also participated in the war
cedar beacon
Isn't that the thing we fly to in orbit
glad forge
Ive just made a nonfunctional theory
cedar beacon
Yeah it is
glad forge
Neverimnd there are only 8 elders
compact olive
Lol
short owl
Not much is known about megabird. We do know that Megabird is shown at the end, and that they appear to be a being made of many many lights
cedar beacon
Like in orbit when we fly into the thing there are mantras and stuff
cold steppe
Here's some pictures of what the megabird outline looks like
https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/655012352759955456
compact olive
The more the merrier Lasi
short owl
A collective, if you will
cold steppe
there are several interpretations
short owl
like the borg
cold steppe
Hage created the megaderp last year and I did the megamerp this year
glad forge
borg
cedar beacon
Nggg
lethal stump
There’s 7 elders
the twins count as 1
cedar beacon
I think I should stop the lore I don't get it Can somone explain me everything they know?
compact olive
The 8th elder could be Princess bet
lethal stump
please read the pins, theres information there
cold steppe
there is much knowledge
glad forge
I always tough they were counted as 2, well you learn new things everyday
short owl
Don't Princess Bet for lore moths
cold steppe
and no Princess Bet
lethal stump
Yes, please hold off on things you made up
this goes for everyone
i have plenty of things in my personal headcanons which are entirely fabricated, i don’t bring them here
cold steppe
we must have Evidence with Screenshots
hushed steeple
Does anyone still want to hear my theory? It seems like Dropmans post got lost in a few hours time
short owl
that sounds like there are more than I have seen. I want that more
glad forge
Sure tell us lambdaw
lethal stump
Go ahead, Lamb
hushed steeple
Luckily I saved a link before I left, so you know the context which I am responding too, alright it is going to take a while so bare with me
sly kestrel
those are not good king pics
U gotta show the Tomcepts 
lethal stump
You insult my collection
sly kestrel
🔫
sly kestrel
....that’s a lil better
sly kestrel
It shows the lil prince there but not the king
I think that was the concept where they were 2 different ppl
cedar beacon
@lethal stump is this all lore?
lethal stump
lethal stump
@lethal stump is this all lore?
It’s concept art. May or may not be canon
sly kestrel
It’s all concepts but the king is confirmed to be in game
cold steppe
perhaps we should hold off on the memes as well
lethal stump
Please read my introduction document at least
cedar beacon
Was the first part Canon
lethal stump
Hello new Lore Moff!
Read this short document to get started!
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto/edit
sly kestrel
Concepts are not reliable to be lore related to the current story
cedar beacon
I did!
glad forge
As I said the statues in Wasteland are king
sly kestrel
King statues
lethal stump
But they are the most we have to go off of
many people use concepts in their theories
cold steppe
concepts were more what TGC was thinking about at one point when they were creating the game
Sky was in development for 7?? years
lethal stump
it’s just key that it is not the only thing you base your ideas on
cold steppe
lots of things probably changed over time
lethal stump
Yeah, 7 I’m pretty sure
short owl
Ooooh the concepts would be so much fun to have a season around
sly kestrel
Take assumption that all concepts you see aren’t canon
cold steppe
sly kestrel
But I am guilty of using them for theories
lethal stump
When it comes to concepts, the older, the weaker it’s basis in reality/canon is
cedar beacon
Where is the king ingame?
cold steppe
we don't know
lethal stump
It’s ok to use them for theories ! Especially if aspects of them have made it into game
cold steppe
it's one of the things that hasn't been confirmed yet
cedar beacon
Can't we look in the files? If he's ingame there should be files of him if I'm right
cold steppe
the devs haven't been very forthcoming about the king details
lethal stump
No, that’s against TOS
sly kestrel
The king exists in game but he hasn’t shown himself in any cutscene or anything so far
glad forge
No no no dont do that
sly kestrel
But he does exist in the current game, that’s all I know
lethal stump
Terms of Service
glad forge
Terms of service
cedar beacon
Oh
compact olive
Some tomcept art was made as late as the 2019
sly kestrel
Jus don’t dig into the files, that’s all u gotta kno xkinso
cedar beacon
So we're not allowed to look in the files?
glad forge
No
sly kestrel
And most DEFINITELY don’t send them into this chat
lethal stump
Yes. Looking in files is against the rules
compact olive
And by files they mean game files
cedar beacon
But how do one look in the files and what happenns if we do it anyways?
sly kestrel
But yes the king is in the files and he is in game
compact olive
Hacking the game to learn names of code and program file names
glad forge
Well i guess ban
cedar beacon
Smh imma scream where in game how can you Sa he's in game when you can't see him?!
lethal stump
- We can’t give hack methods here, it’s against the rules
- Your account can be banned if you’re found to be hacking
cedar beacon
Well i guess ban
@glad forge
From what?
sly kestrel
Jus don’t do it, please listen to the rules
glad forge
Its a guess
cold steppe
we can say the king is in game because the devs have said they are
that's all we know
cedar beacon
Looking into the files is hacking o.O?
short owl
There's plenty of king propoganda lying around though
lethal stump
Also, we do see statues of the king in game
we just don’t see him has an animated character
glad forge
I was
sly kestrel
cedar beacon
Can somone show me the king ingame?
sly kestrel
There’s ur dev proof
glad forge
I was taking about the king statues that they are kings
sly kestrel
No
short owl
Wasteland, the statues juuust before the krill gate switch are him
lethal stump
There are statues in Battlefield and in Graveyard
cedar beacon
What is battlefield?
cold steppe
the area of Wasteland in front of the temple
sly kestrel
His design motif is everywhere but they aren’t actually the king
cedar beacon
Hmm
sly kestrel
Xkinso how long have you been playing?
peak locust
Statues of the king
cedar beacon
Uhhh since the sky beta is out I guess..?
Android beta*
But I only could play for 3 weeks in the beta bcs it would throw me out every time
THAT'S THE KING
sly kestrel
U can only go into beta if u are accepted in beta waves, any other way is not allowed
cedar beacon
I was accepted
But my phone was bad
So yeah
Btw I hit 9 flaps today! :D
So there's no 3d model of the king right?
cedar beacon
And what is the prince?
cold steppe
as Jay said, all we have are the king motifs (statues)
the prince is a slightly shakier concept
lethal stump
My intro doc answered that, Xkinso...
cedar beacon
Send it again pls
lethal stump
Hello new Lore Moff!
Read this short document to get started!
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto/edit
cedar beacon
:3
cold steppe
there were two possibilities of the prince in concept art
- the prince and king were two separate characters
- the prince was crowned king
sly kestrel
Brick I think x read it already
Unless ur secretly a bot
lethal stump
They said they read it, but they’re asking questions that are answered in the doc
cloud tendon
i heard my name—
glad forge
Just If ur ever confused check out the pins
cloud tendon
im not usually one to look into lore and things, but i think i mightt because ur guys theories are really interesting!
lethal stump
Welcome to Lore chat, Q !
short owl
just wait till you're out of lore moth status. Then you'll get to see all our nonsense and headcannons and crack theories
lethal stump
check out the intro doc and pins
lethal stump
it has like 99% of the important info
cedar beacon
The king is always there right?
short owl
Ye, the pins have most of the stuff that's actually known and cannon
lethal stump
the other 1% is sleep deprivation fuelled crack theories from us
cloud tendon
i read the intro doc already so time to go look att the pins lol
sly kestrel
*did u jus call my speculations crack theories?
cedar beacon
So since the king is always there but we can never see him....
compact olive
Okay fine...
short owl
We are actually talking to lore moth
cold steppe
I would argue that the soundtrack names aren't lore
lethal stump
Fite me Jay
compact olive
Why would you argue that?
sly kestrel
Again?
lethal stump
short owl
We need to know they're caught up before Bet, or even Megan gets to come up
cedar beacon
Maybe..maybe the king is the light that awakened us..? Or the one that talked to us in the intro maybe he want to get saved by us..?
And who is bet?
short owl
Bet is Oz's OC
cold steppe
Oz, look what you did
compact olive
Lol I’m sorry!
cedar beacon
Oki
sly kestrel
Here’s all the current theories about the narrator so far
The king
The prince
Brick
The child of light
The megabird
A spirit who supported the elders and wanted them back home
You
The vault elder
Oreo
And the isle elder
cold steppe
oh, that's the crack version
lethal stump
Brick and Oreo are jokes
cold steppe
the rest is valid
short owl
Megan refers to the megabird. Named such because typo from Brick
compact olive
Xkinso, never you mind about Bet. Wait till you e leveled up in Lore chat...then muahaha...we’ll discuss things later
sly kestrel
Brick is always guilty
lethal stump
I think I shall put inside jokes in the intro doc
cold steppe
probably not a bad idea
cedar beacon
Here’s all the current theories about the narrator so far
The king
The prince
Brick
The child of light
The megabird
A spirit who supported the elders and wanted them back home
You
The vault elder
Oreo
And the isle elder
Maybe the king awakened us so we can save him eventually?
short owl
Yeah... especially the ones that come up often
sly kestrel
See the thing is, a dev confirmed in a live-stream that he can’t be saved
lethal stump
- Brick is the king
- Reika is the king
- Oreo is the king
- Megan is Megabird’s nickname/joke name
is that all ?
cedar beacon
Why can't he be saved?
sly kestrel
Jus can’t
cedar beacon
Did he explode?
sly kestrel
We don’t kno his history much
short owl
And Bet clearly needs a mention because Oz keeps bringing them up. Probably something like "Bet is Oz's character. Ignore Oz"
cedar beacon
Hmm
compact olive
Not that they “Can’t be saved”
sly kestrel
But the best guess is that he’s dead
cedar beacon
He corrupted right?
compact olive
They just aren’t around to be saved
sly kestrel
No
lethal stump
We don’t know
short owl
We do not know what is up with king
cedar beacon
Hmm
lethal stump
Its up to interpretation on purpose
short owl
There are theories that Prince is King, and Prince is the one who's light we use
hushed steeple
who knows
compact olive
Kang
short owl
but... no confirmation
sly kestrel
Kong
cedar beacon
But when he is dead how can he be around?
hushed steeple
His Royal Highness got too arrogant...
sly kestrel
He’s not
cedar beacon
Wait things can die in sky?!
sly kestrel
YES
cedar beacon
THINGS CAN DIE?!
sly kestrel
YESSS
compact olive
There might be a death beyond normal death for elders
hushed steeple
But when he is dead how can he be around?
@cedar beacon probably deciphered script he left so our sky kids can read it
lethal stump
the spirits we relive are dead
compact olive
I mean grampa ferryman is walking around with a broken face
peak locust
That manta dies In wasteland
sly kestrel
They are spirits bc they are DEAD
hushed steeple
As far as i know, spirits are dead
hushed steeple
skykids, elders, animals amd plants are the only living things
sly kestrel
Every ancestor that lived in the sky world is DEAD
cedar beacon
NOO
hushed steeple
THEY ARE DEAD DEAL WITH IT MAN
sly kestrel
The graveyard is filled with dead creatures
hushed steeple
Yea
short owl
Elders are locked outside time and space, so no confirmation they are still alive
cedar beacon