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it was called jelly babys
I think it was ginsy who saw it in concept art, drew some hair on it, and then used it as their profile pic.
Other people wanted it too, so soon they had drawn pretty much every hair on a jelly baby and everyone had it as their pfp
wait I think I still have the one I used
and that was pretty much it and everyone just forgot about it
omg thats adorable
I’m linking my two previous theories as I think they sit well in the same line of reasoning.
I think I found the original one
we may be quiet but I know there is at least one jelly baby left.
we will return.

anyone who laughs at us will be sacrifices for the jelly baby god
do it
Refresher: #KingChernobylTheory



mhm yeah back to lore stuff
ye
oh hi res
hi riri 
I’m gonna save the link to my whole jelly baby history lesson so we can teach the new generation
Welcome back!
So short re-explanation is that Aleph/king used dark stone on holy place of reincarnated light, to siphon all that juicy light energies. And caused the Eden storm. As well as the sKids originally being made of powerful light/soul energies imbued with dark stone child shaped statues
I’m gonna add something, but I wanted to vet it with you experts first....
That's one set of theory
pls be crack theory please be crack theoryWhat if?
These are the souls of the ancestors
That's pretty likely
I thought it was canon it was their spirits...
I love your phos pfp
^
me?
ye
The dark stone diamonds behind the spirits
:0
The “lanterns”
Ohh I thought you meant the spirits 😂
I hope next season we got something to unlock in order to expand our theories
hhhh
Oh, you're saying the lanterns hold the spirits
Ohh I thought you meant the spirits 😂
@frail talon I should have clarified lol my bad
it would be cool if we got a lantern cosmetic that does... something
I want the butterflies
Maybe you could place it like table and it would be a free light source?
I... Could see that being done as a way to protect souls who were ready to move on but couldn't or didn't want to... But what about spirits who didn't die near the vault?
Butterflies would be really OP lol
true
Or they can turn the Firework staff to Flame staff that can light up our way
Dont firework staff already light stuff up pretty good?
Temporary, yes
A bit inconvenient where you throw it, but its a p powerful light lol
or a separate flame staff
Its blinding and confusing sometimes
although they wouldnt be much different
Oh, maybe a temporary bright light that follows you for a bit?
Maybe that's one of the reasons why cry is so sad - most souls get stored in lanterns and sent to the vault until it comes time to move on, but their friends were gone before the lantern came?
I... Could see that being done as a way to protect souls who were ready to move on but couldn't or didn't want to... But what about spirits who didn't die near the vault?
@short owl Well their spirits are still wondering the sky world because they weren’t “implanted” into the dark stone/shelf lanterns
@short owl Well their spirits are still wondering the sky world because they weren’t “implanted” into the dark stone/shelf lanterns
@compact olive But what about the spirits in vault? Left to watch over the lanterns or something?
Lol maybe they ran out of shelf space
Maybe they were the ones who drew the shirt stick and had to stay behind to ensure everyone else got implanted while they maintained the the mechanism or processes not being able to go in themselves?
Like ....someone had to stack the shelves right?
And who better to do that than....
True... But the elders could maybe have done that?
The one who lifts lanterns with his/her mind and the one who is sad at the graves on bottom level
🤔 🤔
The elder in vault might have been able to do that, true.... maybe she was dead before the process was completed? Her mask is broken
But... why would everyone want to be in the lanterns in the first place? We know all the spirits are our ancestors so it seems like they're already dead in some way...
The elders are in time out... That probably makes it difficult
what would be in the archives then ?
Dark Stone is blocking the reincarnation location. They’d be stuck like every other ancestor spirit in prarie and forest etc
Maybe that's one of the reasons Vault is so sad. They wanted to make sure their people were cared for and ready to be summoned again but Megan said NOPE
what would be in the archives then ?
@lethal stump I’m not sure I understand the question fully
But... why would everyone want to be in the lanterns in the first place? We know all the spirits are our ancestors so it seems like they're already dead in some way...
@frail talon maybe it’s like the cryogenic sleep version of soul preservation.
🤔
well, the archives are off limits. there has to be a reason for that. i always assumed it was because they had sensitive information, but if we’re going by your theory, why would souls be off-limits ?
Since the spirits have stayed around to teach the skykids... They might be preserved like that so they can come back in spirit form to teach future generations
An ancestor soul/spirit in prarie is just one thing... whatever they did last or did most... maybe these lanterns preserve ALL of the soul?
🤔 🤔
Wait wait, what if they chose specific memories they wanted to keep around? Like. Butterfly catcher might have wanted to teach skykids how to handle butterflies or something similar?
it does seem, to me at least, that the spirits are around to teach skykids
Help me Lore fam...I can’t hold on to this theory without your strength! Arrgghhhhhhhh!!
Me likey!
🤔 
So you’re proposing that...
Only helpful spirits were saved or only helpful ones were left behind?
No, maybe more Those who wanted to or those who felt they wanted to leave something behind?
And if the lanterns really are ancestor souls, then considering they float in some places in vault, they probably wanted to stick around to help as well
Not everyone would have something they wanted to share as a spirit I guess
Butterfly catcher Ancestor: “I’m ready to be placed back in Prairie”
Smaller butterfly catcher Ancestor: “but I caught butterflies too! I wanna be in prairie!”
Vault Ancestor: “put the little one in the fridge!”
Smaller butterfly catcher Ancestor: “No, No! Nooooooo!!”
😂 😂 😂
Maybe they did rock paper scissors 😂
Butterfly catcher, probably: BEST OF THREE rock paper scissors hand gesture
Maybe there are more soul lanterns in each realm, but they're behind the scenes unlike in vault, which acts as a warehouse
👀
The spirits who are still wandering around are the ones who died last, and could not be preserved
Maybe they could take them out of the lanterns and leave them at their laces?
Why is there a threshold
*places oops
The lanterns we never get to see because they are hidden simply never had the opportunity to be sent to the vault, where they can be summoned again when needed

well, the archives are off limits. there has to be a reason for that. i always assumed it was because they had sensitive information, but if we’re going by your theory, why would souls be off-limits ?
is anyone gonna address this ?
Oh! Maybe it was to keep them absolutely super duper safe 😂
It could be they wanted some to be off limits for a worst case scenario?
is anyone gonna address this ?
@lethal stump first time I’m hearing of it so I can’t /shouldn’t
Idk what the archives are lol but that's just a theory-
I mean... You don't let messy kids handle the frail but still living old people until you know they're knowledgable enough not to break anyone
Think expensive vase but x94728648
What if they got it so the elders wouldn't break them... Considering how Valley elders treat light they might not be as careful with lanterns lol
That too
Maybe Valley elders ARE the messy skykids who cant touch the lanterns
Vault staff probably get several lectures and training so as to ensure they NEVER drop a lantern, and to ensure they know how to rescue someone from a damaged lantern
(O_O) could the enchantment vault ancestors have been looking for a new (safer) place to start over and then transport the souls there for ....like a pseudo reincarnation ?
And you have to take a test that shows you can hold it telekenetically for a period of time, learn how to put it down and pick it up correctly, how to ensure that the spirit is summoned with clothes on...
wait if this is the case, why do the scrolls do spells ?
For people that suck at magic without maybe?
What kinds of spells besides size spells are there?
Plus sometimes you just want something ready madr
True true
Not something you have to do the work for yourself
Maybe... the growth, glow and recharge spells were combined to rejuvenate the spirit back from a genie in the lamp (itty bitty living space) back to a fully grown spirit.... and the rainbow spell was to... give them...back....their preferred sexual identity? I have no clue... oh! And the fire works spells were used to celebrate them coming back from the lantern cryogenic soul sleep
Could be the spells were made to help spirits explore dangerous areas like Wasteland? Considering Ark people were probably doing just that, and they were proficient in magic, they might have used glow/recharge spells to help them survive
I like that theory much better
Also rainbow and fireworks spells were just for funky times 😎
Okay digging waaaay deep into edge of crackpot theory territory
😂
Fr tho, firework spell might have come before the staff? Like before they knew how to put it into objects
Maybe the lanterns were to preserve the essence of the spirit so they could implant the spirit/soul/ light of an ancestor into .....a stone body...
Basically the precursor process to making sKids...
They were trying to play God/megabird....?
And after the staff, it could have maybe been used as a practise spell/to teach the concept of putting magic into objects
could be
👁️
Look what they’re doing with those lanterns...
We already physically see that they knew how to preserve the souls/spirit of the mantas
In vault
True
Maybe the manta spirits were the first step to them trying to preserve themselves?
Bingo bango!
That’s why the manta makes those moaning sounds.
It’s like “whyyyyyy, just let me die please!!”
😂 poor babies
We free them, I mean at the end we free them so they’re alright now. Lol
In the concepts, they are projectors that use visual memories for holding knowledge
They aren’t actually trapping spirits in them, the spirits are free
I’m pretty sure it wasn’t intended for the current game as well
(No mantas were hurt in the process of crafting this theory)
We're not saying theyre trapped either lol
more willfully put in there to preserve their memories
In the concepts, they are projectors that use visual memories for holding knowledge
They aren’t actually trapping spirits in them, the spirits are free
@sly kestrel I can see that in the original concepts but... you can touch/interact with the mantas
And the ascent to vault, it’s supposed to be a way to teach skykids about the history of the world before entering eden, and it’s been hinted many times for it to be a dreamlike experience, not everything there is real
But that vault did hold knowledge and it was held with memories
hey yall im finally finishing up a google doc with all the information we have about the elders' names
That’s some super sophisticated high tech projector technology
I mean the elders names aren’t exactly canon but wow that’s a lot of words
ive been asked a lot to do this jdskfhksfd
plus hebrew name analysis bc their old names actually determined a lot about their character
It’s ok it’s okay, ur free 
@paper matrix did you just hold the button down on each letter of the names like Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllleeeeeeeeeeeeeppppppppppphhhhhhhhhh till it reached 13 pages?
Maybe theres pics lol
Another thing, the spirits weren’t always spirits so they had no reason to preserve themselves in their spirit form
They were alive and physical once
this has taken two days and ive accidentally learned the hebrew alphabet
could be spirit form is the only way they could preserve themself tho
They died a long time ago
Another thing, the spirits weren’t always spirits so they had no reason to preserve themselves in their spirit form
They were alive and physical once
@sly kestrel yeah but if you’re trying to become immortal reincarnated without motherbird maybe that’s where the preserving of the spirit would be needed ?
Their spirit stays for unknown reasons but I don’t think it necessarily means they were always spirits and somehow kept their spirit form
Cuz that’s a new theory
This... Could suggest a complete other possibility that may work relatively well with Light Awaits story
The images in time that we relieve
Those are memories of that certain spirit, the only time the spirit comes to visit you is when ur buying a cosmetic
Maybe we are a living lantern
??
what i miss?
I mean considering they're our ancestors they've obviously been skykids at some point...
Where’d light awaits come from, that’s......the old pre launch version of sky
When we begin our journey, we pick up what remains of spirits, and can summon bits of their memories at will
srry I'm slow I'm leading a candle run at the same time-
Namely the bits that allow us to express ourselves
But I’m confused where sky light awaits relates to what ur saying
Headstones may allow us to access the memory of the spirit more directly, but the memories get stored in us rather than stay fading in the world
Technically....we can access them in the constellation table as wel
And the headstones don’t activate the memory
constellation table might be mor leaning on our memories of them tho
Ligbt awaits ties in because of the whole "light of the ancestors" and the fact that you did used to get your emotes to the end of eden to stabalize them
The whole “memory” thing is jus the lil activity that u do when u light up a spirit
But that doesn’t mean the spirit is called a memory
Went to visit the elders again to take closer pictures of the drawings
Sorry for the sudden intrusion
Think of it like this
They are dead but their spirit lives on, it’s still a mystery why some spirits stay on the world, but we are able to see a portion of their life
No, but spirits have memories that we can access
But look at them... they’re gross lightless stone/ash thingies with “krill/sKid dying in Eden” particles
I noticed that each person at the forest elder picture has a different diamond shape
Once we do we are able to cary that spirit and use the memories they have to do stuff
U have an interesting view
So like a big game of Pokémon ?
But with skilled soul spirits ?
I choose you “hug emote”!! (Hugs friend to avoid Krill)
I mean considering they're our ancestors they've obviously been skykids at some point...
@frail talon technically, ancestors were jus a nickname we got from the concepts, but in the current game we have no idea what their race is, so we jus decided to call them ancestors. Someone prove me if I’m wrong but I don’t think the devs has said anywhere that they are ancestors
Doesn't it call them ancestors at the start of the game???
But it has been confirmed that they were living people before
And not always a spirit
No
I think they are confirmed different species
Iirc it straight says like "lead your ancestors" or sth but I might be wrong??
I don't remember exactly, it's been a while, but I'm pretty sure it says ancestor on like your first spirit
But darkness came, and the stars fell...
Together, the fallen stars made a new home in the clouds.
If only they had listened...
A long time has passed. Now, I call to you.
Wake up, child. Bring our lost stars home.```
This is the intro
Oh the first spirit
Actually I don’t remember
I don’t think they said ancestor before at all but I shall check again
i guess they died and couldnt reincarnate so they were stuck doing what they did before the kaboom
Well, I started playing when they released on android, so they might have added it at a later date?
Or I'm remembering wrong but I'm p damn sure t calls them ancestors
dont they call them ancestor spirts somewhere else tho?
yeah, the concepts
Nono I mean in-game,,,
I think it's in one of those lttle tutorial windows when you press the lil ?

xD
@sly kestrel here u go buddy ^
I'm still like 60% sure it calls them ancestors at the first spirit too...
It's like "something something Ancestor's memories"?
im pretty sure they're all our ancestors lol
😂 That's what I've been trynna say to Jay lol
because im guessing we're made after they yeeted
((my theory was this but everyone was alseep;; https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/738273113493471353 ))
we're hybrids
Or... birds and the butterflies..?
half from the connected and half indifferent
ohh thats pretty interesting!
connected are the shiny winged light kids, indifferent we've never seen them but like, the prince concept looked like an indifferent
I've never seen the prince tho oops-
Today is my first time actually thinking abt sky lore tbh-
and he's the only one who's the same size as us
😂 I heard there was a lore channel here from another server and I wanted to see
Show 👁️
Pff he's tiny!!
Any idea what his story is..?
Oh shoot I've got dinner but.. I'll try and keep an eye out here-
no i dunno his story

my theory is he made us to try to stop/save the king after the corruption and kaboom
other than that i dunno
That’s like... so awesome
Yes
Oh ye i took pics of forest elder hair this time, they are 9
Sorry for not taking an in-game screenshot. Afraid of the game crashing if i did that
adgjhgs Gonna read the entire elder names document thank you for putting time and effort into it 
someone on the doc rn has a pfp of Tsadi and i love it, whoever you are
Looking at the Tom Zhao stuff rn..... The wings had such cool designs!!!
;_; We could've had this
They were also a bit more birdlike, kinda like parts of the fandom likes to do when drawing skykids
And then the manta cape could have been longer
Yes ;^;
While I do love the bird cape, I think it was changed because of optimizing, imagine rendering all that pretty tail.
Absolute lads!!
I'm working on my prince redesign rn and all these old concepts are wonderful sources of inspiration
Ikik, the old beta capes also had funky designs but they changes that
because all of our phones would have blown up like the eden diamond
That doesn't stop us from making fanart though
we can always draw those capes
the old black cape was gorgeous though
like a black gemstone
Also sitting here waiting for the next Bell Quest just to see the next stage of the Manta Growth Cycle 
maybe they could bring back the old designs for the more expensive capes (white and black)
Or for an ultimate gift
It would be really cool if we had mroe cape shapes in general... There's obvi some variation, but iirc the biggest aversions are from a few old seasonal capes and now manta cape...
Butterfly cape too,,, but most of the different capes arent accessible to new players 😊
*: ")
the Elder Names doc
is it pinned?
Scroll up a little and you'll find it
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qCXl82o4VoEmQDL2eBRlw7u7dRHEMMplplRaUvyGTWg/edit?usp=sharing
credit to @paper matrix
thank u both 
Np 

yes ?
How would those capes even work when grounded tho?
A scarf like the one in journey would look pretty cool actually
True... I want five 🙂
As someone without a journey compatible system, may I get a reference?
Wdym?
Ooooh
It’s a bit off topic so can I have permission to dm you?
Sure
In the mean time
Talk about lore everyone 
Lol there's a #other-tgc-games channel tho
Oh yeah
Even better
As for lore... I've been trying to think of stuff but am pretty unsuccessful. Unless anyone wants to help figure out what cakes the elders are
(Lamed is covered in fondant. Samekh looks covered in fondant but it's actually a really yummy icing)
Aiyn is probably chocolate lava cake
The most delicious of cakes
Would Teth be a fruitcake?

Has anyone deciphered what this castle looking thing is in wasteland graveyard ?
Also I thought the castle thing was more bones
@short owl same
no, they are stone
considering there apears to be a fireplace in there, i would say it was a tower/buolding
They don’t look like bones, like the ones at the bottom. The on near the exit seems like a melted castle
The one with the butterflies, right?
Ye
That comes across as bones but I can take a look at it tonight
Were they making towers out of bones?
doubt it
That doesn’t sound very technologically progressive
Why are their bones sticking out of it?
i think the place is just scorched beyond recognition
I think its after the destruction?
because creaturea died there
Since the 'oil' spill is basically everywhere
3 of them at least
I mean... Use what you have. If you need a shelter, and you have bones.... You use the bones
@tender dune what do you mean?
That’s not oil lol
poluted water is oily

Polluted with the regurgitated carcasses of the used up creatures of light muahahaha!!
Yes! Death and destruction!

@tender dune what do you mean?
@mortal viper i call it oil cuz it looks like it
Im close to the building
Brb
I like the idea of having pipes with liquid running out of them in the heart of the factory
I go through the wind tunnel in graveyard so I end up spit out by the wind tunnel just so that I’m laying down in the sludge....I pretend I’m bathing In it’s deliciousness-Es
WELL THAT INFO WAS DARK
Blue, that structure is wayyy too building like to not be a tower of some sort
The question is... there are no brick lines.... no tile....
It is all burnt
The structures in graveyard look like the ones in prairie (think butterfly spirit's orb) but dark
Why is the buildings closer to Eden....NOt burnt ?
And some of the other buildings in Sky does not have brick lines or tiles
Yep
And the bone on top is probs ghe creature collapsing and decaying on it
It's like the bones in forest combined with butterfly catcher's orb
something must’ve crashed into it
?
((Also probs cuz the building will look too simple so they added the creature bones))
Auto erased my words cuz i said something xD

But the question is.... why is something so primitive located AFTER the technological power diamond processor ,...and before the pipe line fortress in wasteland ?
might’ve been there before they industrialized
But there isn’t t a single tree....why would they remove all trees and other sources of light but leave that primitive building in the center of their surrounding technology?
Yeah cuz the butterfly rock circle looks too simple if it was industrialised
Wasteland wasn't always wasteland
Why are we assuming it is primitive?
As seen from forgotten ark
That’s like building a power plant and a sky rise but leaving a TeePee in the center of the street

Unless if they left it for the buttefly source?
Cuz why would there be butterflies there
Why are we assuming it is primitive?
@mortal viper it doesn’t seem like it’s advanced
It is advanced, just in ruins
I think it was just a tower
With butterflies in it
And now a dead body rests on top of it
Just like this factory
the butterflies might’ve escaped the crushing into light process
So then if it was an advanced building like the rest of the wasteland structures... what happened to them?
Because they were hidden in the tower
The buttefly stone thing looks like the ones in praire. You think maybe wasteland had the same civilization as prairie but as they advanced they neglected the building and just kinda, left it there. But then the whole place got ruined
Want me to explore anything in wasteland before I return home?
🤔
Graveyard might have been some sort of stable for transport creatures (the turtle-snakes)
Can you see if my theory is correct in wasteland ?
Which one?
That the wasteland map is a ruined version of hidden forest/valley
it is too ruined for that
The butterflies look like they are escaping from a campfire pit
That looks like the forest ending
I suspect either they were placed there by survivors, or they formed from fire that was once there
I suspect either they were placed there by survivors, or they formed from fire that was once there
@short owl it looks like the one at prarie nest let me go take a ss brb
Oh wait i forgot where it was
Was it praire?..
I remember seeing a circle stone for butterflies somewhere
Can you get a screenshot of a Krill’s red eye interacting with one of the sKids you’re dragging around...for ....research purposes
Might be forest
Second zone top shelf on the left ?
Right not left
wrong chat...?
Oh
Oops, sorry i didn’t realize
Can you get a screenshot of a Krill’s red eye interacting with one of the sKids you’re dragging around...for ....research purposes
@compact olive I'd feel bad for them but im planning on riding krills by myself after
Hmm forest.. im omw then
Have to get back to work. Be back on my lunch break
Im so lost trying to find the circle stone
But why are there crabs in the tree. And these pipes in the tree remind me of wasteland
Where is this?
Forest
Its near the other crabs
In a tree
Anyone knows where this leads to? (Its closed
))


Day 428, still trying to find the butterfly pit

what butterfly pit ?
I feel like I've seen a buttefly pit (like the one from wasteland) in a different world
But i can't find it
The rock of circles
🤔
I finally gave up on reading all the new messages from last night
I dont bother back reading
It was all very interesting though, I'm pretty new to lore and the prince/King and the krills fascinate me
Oh i gotta switch games now, enough lore hunting (for now)
Are you talking about Bricks Headcannon?
Why are the crabs in sanctuary friendly? The darker ones i mean
Why are the crabs in sanctuary friendly? The datker ones i mean
@neon marlin they finally got to go on a nice vacation :)

Honestly id believe that
See ya-ish
Has the traveling spirits been talked about in relation to lore? Are they just the remainders of the Ancestors' kind?
The one time i get on the chat just dies 


Maybe the crabs in tbe sun are nice because they aren't angry. Their home is doing well at the moment
Plenty of light not being stolen, lots of water...
Or they could be blind
Has the traveling spirits been talked about in relation to lore? Are they just the remainders of the Ancestors' kind?
@analog sable the traveler spirits are old seasonal spirits that were released long ago
Tgc jus wanted an opportunity to bring these spirits back for new players to buy their cosmetics
Lore wise, I guess u could say these spirits have returned to see new batches of kids 
Ah yeah, i know, I meant more in relation to lore
Aww
But are they the ancestors' kind? Since sky kids and ancestors are different (ancestors can't fly on their own, so far as I can discern)
Ah, very interesting
i think Skye means species, not personality
I think the general idea was that sky kids and ancestors are not the same "species" kinds thing
Yup, thanks Bricky :>
I knew Brick was going to correct me
Snap! I missed some very key words in Skye’s sentence
Skids and Elders are two different species (as said by the devs), it’s assumed that Skids and Ancestors are a different species as well however that has not been confirmed
Ohh
I mixed up ancestors and elders, oopsie 
Skids and Elders are two different species (as said by the devs), it’s assumed that Skids and Ancestors are a different species as well however that has not been confirmed
@lethal stump are spirits the same species as the elders? Or are they something different altogether?
sKids could be made of.....
(<< ) ...... ( >>) .... dark Stone
:O
But Skids aren’t dark
I thought they were made of clay or something
our bodies are, Oliver
But Skids aren’t dark
@static spoke I’m not sure I follow
They give off a glow
Except for our arms/legs
So does dark stone... when added with light
And maskless has a very dark face
Though I know little to nothing about dark stone in reality 
Dark stone/power diamond
Yes
Here u go
I used that That concept art color pallet to make the in game final version of the sKid “in game” transition
Nice
The problem with that concept art is the dark version of the sKid has a chest light
Which we don’t see in game
Yeh
It also still has hair
And we all know that Krill and Eden rocks knock off the weave too
(O_O) .....gasp
I have a theory
A crackpot theory!!
I need help!!
Who has the screenshot of the secret island in home oob ??
(Rummaging through the screenshots)
Credits to @/Jay#6524
I need the mural
Oh
Credits to jay again xD (pine found it)
I wanna know how pine reached the island.. i wanna go
What if....
Megabird and King are one and the same ....
Two sides to the same coin.
Megabird needs light. “With the stars united, out light was infinite “
There’s more... brb
DON'T TEASE ME LIKE THIS
What if the sole purpose of the descent to “Sky” was to harness darkness to make more light?!
I’ll explain...
Participation is welcome
What...my friends do animals do to make more animals?
do you want specifics ?
[blocked]
you are correct good sirs and madams!!
They do the mambo #5 and make babie animals
✨ special fun times ✨
Isn't there the catch of animals also needing to eat
Okay but.... animals breed normally... I mean naturally, and at a normal pace with nature
So basically intensive farming? Like prairie?
Yes, so how do you get more light if naturally natural animals in nature and naturally making babies and natural rate ?
you breed animals artificially
But... not farming animals... farming ancestors !
Breeding as Bricky put it
You’d breed animals.
And humans/ancestors breed faster
Or can be made to breed more as seen in out human world and in wasteland/technological advanced location
The ancestors are in the constellation
Maybe that means they’re from those planetary systems
Brought to sky world by the elders (chosen by megabird/king) to expand the civilization to larger populations to have more souls to collect
More light
Like a bee that brings pollen from one Flower to the next
So our job is to harvest?
are you saying that the elders farmed ancestors to turn into light ?
So our job is to harvest?
@short owl bingo Bango! Love that triangle!
One giant reaper type situation. Reaper of lights(souls) !
And what about the elders? Why do we have to work so hard to summon them?
Star children come back and pick up the goodies like good little bees
That’s a goooood question Null... hmmm...
I need help...
I'm Null
Null lol
im
confused
Hi confused.
Go ahead Bricky, ask for clarification while I try to figure out Null’s question
If anyone else has ideas please... INSERT
are you saying that the elders farmed ancestors to turn into light ?
are you saying that the elders farmed ancestors to turn into light ?
the answer to this is yes
Oh yes, Bricky sorry, I gave it a “love heart kissy” which meant “yes, that’s what I’m proposing they did”
there’s reactions for
and
which are much clearer
Ty
Okay, so let's just say for the sake of crack theories that this is true. The world is destroyed. Who lets their farm get into this state?!
Shouldn't it have been better taken care of?
isn’t everyone dead/outside of spacetime...?
“Darkness came...” I think this is a vague way of saying the harvesters tried a “new” way of working but it strayed from the old way and caused the farm to rot
THAT'S ANOTHER THING. Why are there no more ancestors running around?
the storm probably killed them in one way or another
Hundreds of years had passed I believe
They have to be brought back to the Megabird for reincarnation
Yeah
Because they couldn’t be brought back they couldn’t repopulate
Once you harvest their souls back to motherbird the process will restart
Baby jellies and all
The sky kids make it possible for the mambo #5 to continue to allow more jelly babies to make more light to feed motherbird
but...thé ancestors are dead, how do they mambo if they’re dead
Reincarnation
how do we know they reincarnate
or are we presupposing they do
Well based off of the concept art megabird slurps up the souls and spits them back out. And then in game we see the ancestors following sKids to orbit
yeah but in-game everything is still dead
He doesnt spit the spirits out. He spits more of embers and dark stones (rubbish)
Lemme try to find my theory thingy
I feel like there's still a real issue here. Reincarnation doesn't make bodies
Unless... We're also supposed to solve that?
Unless... We're also supposed to solve that?
@short owl crap...
I cant copy link from phone
in some ways, we're not being reincarnated like the standard reincarnation
We're not just busy bees, but the next crop???
if it's anything like the concept art, we are reborn through the megabird
Well this is a body after reincarnation....right?
my thought is that the megabird kind of just keeps reviving us
is that the pity star room?
and we aren't reborn until we go through the portal in Eden
I like to think of the dark room as a sort of limbo
on mobile, press and hold on the message until the copy message link option in the menu shows up
there should also be an option to copy message
Will try
also to copy message link
I started with that, brick
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i cant read
Nothing..


Just type in the search button from: ginkomimi ember
is that the pity star room?
@cold steppe this is home space
is that when you're trying to go capeless?
when I say pity star, I don't mean after Eden. I mean when you lose all winged light + buffs it tries to force you to take a winged light
I don’t wanna spam but I’ll post whole time line
Thinking of how childlike the skykids are, so focused on others when their whole life purpose is eden
So I say the fainting spirit straight up died, but the skykids had no concept of true death, and mimicked it as they do other spirits
It’s right at home circle stone in Front of the dawn, prairie, forest valley vault portals
This is after you go through white portal in orbit and go far away from that beautiful clear picture you have of mega bird
I’m not sure if this makes sense @cold steppe wren but it’s in order in my diagram in #1
You mean after the credits?
So don’t skip the credits?
I’ve never seen it there before. I usually see that room right after dying and when going capeless
I’ll have to watch the credits next time
im can go die today if y’all want
Oh wait, is that after your first time going through?
Bricky! You have friends here that love you! Listen to reason Bricky !
reason says fly into big shiny orb
bricky you said something accidentally that sounds so, so wrong
Oz, did you take that after your first time in Eden? Or recently?
I've seen those pics
It should be always wren
Interesting
I kind of want to try it but also I would need to lose 120+ winged light
Then recollect 120+ winged light
i think it might happen your first rebirth, but not the ones after
All for the sake of scientific study!
- wracks brain for my first rebirth *
if i remember correctly, it was just camdle
Kinda wish we had like... Some way to fake it as our first time. Maybe ab amulate of moff which makes all things doable like for the first time
I wouldn’t think that you would see the pity star if you had bought buffs though
As you go into the portal with a cape
join beta
ah that might be it
I would consider it but tbh I can't handle knowing spoils
Also, you can watch some walkthroughs or live vicariously through an irl friend playing for the first time
gonna make my parents try sky
Ooh ideas for wishlist
A setting where you can have a separate moth account solely for moth-like exploration
I miss the feature where you could relive collected spirits whenever you wanted
I tried to get my daughter to play and she was “too cool” for the game...so I’m currently looking into voluntary adoption
Anyway, field trip in 3 days!
@compact olive send her... The Trillogy
i was thinking about the time loop theory & theres smth i dont get.
the narrator says “find them and bring them home” which means we have a task to fulfill. unless the task is naturally cyclical in itself, what is the point in going through all the trouble in eden only to be rebirthed and do the same thing again as a punishment? (if we are the prince who need to atone the sins)
To Eden ? Wren?
Pretty sure I went last Sunday so I’ll wait for reset
That’s a good point, palechild
Though I think the theory was also having the narrator (possibly megabird) be unreliable
@sinful anvil it gives you, the prison, a task which doesn't require access to the prince's memories. No task, no direction, no momentum. It also provides a set of expectations and a role.
time loop doesn’t require unreliable narrator
Interesting
Null said it best
maybe its bc im a mere mortal with mortal feeble understanding, but it baffles me that the task of finding people and taking them to where they are supposed to be could be perpetual
Yeah, that’s also where I’m confused
It could also be a narrator who isn't aware of the timeloop at that point
unless there are many people to be brought home, but that’s just many not infinite
If you’re ambitious, you could save all the spirits in one run
so im kinda against that we are born to take some fallen’s place. no we are instructed to bring smth home & tho that needs sacrifice, imo sacrifice isnt the main thing
the people referenced in the intro are specifically the stars/elders
sure we can bring them to orbit and see them there, but we can also see them still in time out
they can’t truly leave and neither can we
hello! 🙂 what's the current topic? lol I'm too lazy to backtrack and read
@lethal stump ok, thx!
(O_O).... gasp
what if he prison time loop is meta and meant to force us as players to relive the experience of this sKid until we finally crack the story....
all in all something tells me we arent made to cycle through stuffs. we have something to fulfill.
this game is perfect cuz it doesnt have an end technically
it doesn’t end, it repeats, that’s why i think it’s a time loop of sorts
in some ways, our purpose after returning the spirits is to make ourselves stronger
Oh my goodness oh my goodness... we are stuck... we are the ones stuck in the prison of loops
I'm also curious about the role of the child/children of light (and if we can find out if it's singular or plural)
canonically, we're connected to the child/children of light
that was confirmed by the devs
bc we are them by proxy
“bring them home” makes me think of a story that is supposed to end at some point, bc ive been trained to think that from prev media
and we collect the winged light (the imprints) to make ourselves stronger
“Harvest” @cold steppe
I don't like that
Lol
you're not wrong, it's just... uncomfortable
yeh sounds lowkey dehumanizing
imo. but ur not wrong
I say “Eating the lifeless corpses of the unborn” you say eating “eggs for breakfast”
(Dials it back a bit)
You say that like our convo isn't 80% involving death
Wait...
wasteland temple is a circular room in a rectangle building
So breakfast is off limits but constantly running into a fatal storm is acceptable. Got it.
In this prison time loop theory...
what do you mean by a circular room?
it’s a circle floorplan
Are you able to do things differently ? Like we do now?
it seems like you can't change your fate
Hmm... You know, I don't think I've explored the pity star room enough
and collecting and ascending spirits is permanent
But...can slight things be changed... like... getting hit by less krill your 2nd or third time around ....
well, yeah
What if the point of the prison is to perfect the harve....collection of light ?
Like eternal boot camp
part of me wants to think that TGC had a plan for players after multiple times in Eden, but the game in general has an endless collection feel to it
part of the open world concept perhaps? They wanted to give more freedom to the players?
By trapping them, into a circular reincarnation game...
the cynical part of me sometimes thinks that TGC didn't actually plan out all the details that we're theorizing about
and we're making things up out of nothing
but it's also really fun
well what happens in gameplay after you’re reborn, post credits? do you still end up to b skykid and get through the realms?
Wait Bricky ! You said there’s a circle room in a square building !
We do know there is a thing coming when you get all elders
But that thing is not yet implemented
I come back and u guys are talking about eating kids? 😦
that's exactly what I said
Maybe when you get all the elders, you can break the ground mirror with stomp, freeing you and the light baby
Well the light is in the sKids stomach, where do you think the child of light star child’s go? (In muh belly nom nom nom)
wha.... wdym get all the elders
Our job wasn’t to snatch em, it was to save em
Using this 
Maybe when you get all the elders, you can break the ground mirror with stomp, freeing you and the light baby
@short owl could you imagine there’s a game mechanic like this?
elder pokeman
gotta catch em all

I was following until the last 3 words
I do not understand your question Oz
actually I'm confused by ground mirror too
I don’t....understand any of ur concepts
But this is theory time so I think I should go..
When you Eden, there's a reflection of you and the light child
Bricky what if the circle room in the box room is a physical metaphor of how the game gets truly unlocked? We are reincarnated and go in circles but (like the square box beneath the circular building in vault oob... that leads us to the elders oob) maybe we need to somehow get out of the cycle to finish the story?!
Who’s down to oob with me ?!
I'm pretty sure someone would have found that by now
more grounded convo starter. Does this look like a tomb/grave ?
There’s no point....we already did finish the story
But no one in this room has successfully oob eye of Eden or storm lock or danger zone 3 or whatever you call it
I still don't see the circle floor plan
ah
If anything it looks like a ritual circle
But maybe we didn’t Jay, maybe were locked in that prison loop until we do?
Candles and everything
....what else would our mission be? 
We alr completed it
Now we jus hang with friends, replay experiences, save other spirits and other stuff
Tomb!
But overall, we don’t have much of a quest anymore
Reasons....
if it's a tomb, it's pretty small for an elder
Especially wasteland elder
... Maybe there's less left than we realize
wasteland is the tallest
Tomb
Reasons....
Alter usually faces the statue... this one has its back to the “alter”
The warrior was in concept art supposed to sacrifice himself
Why is ur screenshot kinda....stretchy
elder would have to be folded up
what do you mean, Jay
oh, both times the camera was moving
sorry
if it's a tomb, it's pretty small for an elder
@cold steppe maybe they... folded him?
I just mashed the camera button at some points
I was thinking less folded... More collected all pieces that could be found
Well, let’s say the elder DID die
It’s not rlly impossible to burry him there, cremation is a thing
Either that or they gathered his bones and jus put it there
and, more specifically, were buried there
But this is IF he rlly did die
Nothing indicates he did, we are saving him and returning him home after all
home to where dead things go, orbit
Elders aren’t spirits
And the elders had a home up there to begin with, doesn’t mean they were dead from the beginning
ooo
Luca, join us 
What’s on the tomb/shrine? Megabird ?
no
im fine with lurking lol
thanks hehe
wdym « what’s on the tomb/shrine »
where are you looking
What’s the drawing on the alter/tomb ?
there isn’t one
Are you sure?
It’s jus some circles
I see an image
... You may have an angstable with the question of "do they have bodies"
Maybe they don't have bodies but parts of themselves that they are attached to. Without a good understanding of the elders, the remaining spirits would likely split these parts into two - one part to put in the place they called home, one part to put with the others so they aren't alone for all eternity
isnt that simply just design
That’s what I thought
I believe the art will guide us to “what’s in the box!” (Brad Pitt accent)
Even if it was somewhere else, it’s almost impossible to find a deep meaning to it
This is IF it doesn’t have a deep meaning too
I’ve got glow spells to burn after work
it reminds me of the armillary sphere bases in valley
the what sphere? The golden ones?
yes, those are called armillary spheres
Can’t we just use their scientific names?
“The gianormous golden circle thingies”
(
thank you for teaching me something new Bricky)
Does anyone have screenshots of the tomb/alter circles ?
And...the Armadillos
For comparison
that’s the only temple that has them
i’d go grab pics but i’m in prairie rn on a cr
I don’t get off of work till the next few hours
that’s rough buddy
These theories are the only thing keeping me going
The door to my office building strangely reminds me of the gates of Eden
its just shapes
That looks... Almost like it could spin?
speen
speen
Get the other half in the shadows
Lmao somehow that’s worse
Does that look like paint or a light stain?
Am I missing something?
Does a crescent moon looking thing mean anything to anyone’s theory ?
(O_O)... gasp
Maybe it’s where.....
This was held /protected ?!

I mean if you have a desirable object, Tsadi would be a good person to protect it
Wait... there’s uncolored bricks in the center of is... but not sure if it’s worn off or painted like that on purpose
why not hold it in vault tho ? why hold it in front of vault ?
Vault is a group of scholars, in a city where people have reason to be. They likely could not fend off a theft and may not notice quicky if it's missing
maybe that’s why the army is in front of them, to protect it
also it’s not unreasonable to assume a place with so much important knowledge had guards, not just scholars
Guards, visitors, experiments
Lots of stuff
You don't want something valuble someplace too busy
is it an armillary, orrery, or astrolabe? 
Oh no someone who actually knows stuff is here
Oh hello ktjn !
I know nothing 
i have no idea what any of those words mean ngl
can i ask you a question ? you probably get asked a lot, but i wanna ask one
Ktjn are you here to deliver a red herring?
is it an armillary, orrery, or astrolabe?
@agile galleon ktjn is broken
I'll summon the clone. Clone: What is a moth?
A "moth" is a new player. They have brown wings, they flap around uncontrollably, and they are drawn to flame!
ask away, no promises ofc but i'll answer to the best of my ability.
KTJN HELLO!!!!!!
is « but darkness blinds so i cast them away » from the old intro canon ?
Wait....is ktjn a dev?
AAA HELLO!!
@agile galleon oh sovereign, oh majesty of Sky Lore, How May we honor thee this gracious day that hath brought thee to our humble presence!!
Yes, i'm a developer. However, I'm not a designer.
I always thought that Eden mural in the Vault cutscene was either depicting us or the King/Prince

How should we consider the poems included in the merch when it comes to lore?
I'm not 100% but I'll ask the narrative team about the darkness bit.
oki 

@lethal stump oh my god! It did use to say “but darkness blinds” I remember that!
thank you so much Ktjn 
hold up
There’s a narrative team 👀
currently fanboying
I kept thinking I was in a Mandela effect
Like.....storytelling team? 😦
The poems are a bit of a mix of canon and not-canon. I do not know the specifics other than narrative did review them.
i want to find the narrative team and let them know how amazing they are and how much i love the story-
oh?

Ktjn.... how do we get hired to join the narrative team?
Or can we like... shines their shoes or something?
Make coffee for the devs? 
Pfft.
Narrative "team" = 3-ish people who shape the lore.
i want to ask them forty different questions pertaining to the king
Ah, that makes sense
i love those 3-ish people
Same
these 3-ish people have my heart
This is to the narrative team


we're a small team, so folks who have a hand in the narrative have other roles and responsibilities as well.
you guys are so amazing i look up to you guys so much
Ktjn...do you get share the same water cooler or coffee machine as they do? /Can we smell your hands?/

um thats a little creepy
Guys we are so close to the story right now my face is melting...ok. Dialing it back a bit
Whew... I got this... I can be cool.. so...ktjn... hey...sup?
I'm just waiting for some nonsense to spin into a story that is absolutely not the correct direction.
Also... Is Megabird gonna get a name, or is there no competitor to calling them Megan?
i have so many questions but i don’t want to seem annoying/obsessed/asking stupid questions
Ktjn are you still here?
i think we scared ktjn off 
yes-ish
ktjn 
Ok, cool! 
i will stay silent.... I am sorry. Please stay.
... Yeah given the stuff this chat talks about... I can see Ktjn running away in fear
i wonder how ktjn feels watching everyone go bonkers over the lore 
ktjn can you tell the King i love him
But if you work with the devs you probably hear more about the orriginal lore which is even darker than Mind Control Megan at times
Hey ktjn....is it alright if I ask how to properly pronounce ktjn
Is it kitten, kitchen, kid Jin or.....some other way
oh yeah people fan over the king now

what does it mEAN
It means we are Ktjn's entertainment
💖💖💖UAA
