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#lore-discussion-spoilers
modest sequoia
compact olive
We force the prince to see again and again what happened to his kingdom and watch helplessly as we die a rather painful death because of it
@short owl that’s both as deep as it is dark
hushed steeple
And we now have enough proof to safely assume the king WAS evil and corrupted
lethal stump
our soul is blue, like darkness. who says that’s not the kings soul ?
hushed steeple
Our soul is made out of two parts
compact olive
And we now have enough proof to safely assume the king WAS evil and corrupted
@hushed steeple Why do you say “we now have” ? What do you refer to?
hushed steeple
They get separated when we die
lethal stump
im talking about the blue thing. when we shatter, there’s something blue that comes out of us. i see that as our soul
hushed steeple
@hushed steeple Why do you say “we now have” ? What do you refer to?
@compact olive
Previous theories, concept art and so on
Plus Brick spread a lot of King isn't evil propaganda
lethal stump
that was a joke
hushed steeple
I know
compact olive
Okay> @compact olive
Previous theories, concept art and so on
@hushed steeple I was hoping to get specifics (I eat that stuff up)
hushed steeple
But
lethal stump
i truly do believe that the king was a bad person, a horrible one
hushed steeple
compact olive
I don’t think he was
lethal stump
i don’t think the king was always bad. in the beginning he was salvageable, but as he corrupted he became worse and worse and eventually died, being reborn a powerless skid like he was before he was king
hushed steeple
Pre-darkstone?
@modest sequoia
We don't know if he ever was good
compact olive
When he was a prince I feel he was good to nature. I think he became corrupted by power (darkstone and industrialization prospects)
short owl
I'm not sure we're ever not seperated. If the king is part of us, they could break us free at any time. If they are just nessasary for our continued existance and able to share our experiences, then Megan need not worry about their choices cause the only options are to stay in the dark forever or watch as we do it again
compact olive
The dark stones are used even earlier than ant ancestor spirit we can witness in dawn isle
hushed steeple
I personally believe he was already corrupted, and over time it just became worse
celest spoke
Tho could we come up with lore why we try to redeem the Eden statues over and over again but they don’t stay saved
hushed steeple
But, I don't believe he is the skid we play as
Tho could we come up with lore why we try to redeem the Eden statues over and over again but they don’t stay saved
@celest spoke
They are other skids
This is why I don't support the idea that we are the king
The other skids we save
compact olive
No, it’s clear the devs made a distinct difference between “elder” “ancestor” and “descendant” Sky kid...
Right?
hushed steeple
Why would they exist if we are the king and have to watch what we did
celest spoke
So the idea that every time we die there, our corpse becomes a new statue? And don’t actually rebirth until another skid lights us before dying?
hushed steeple
And wouldn't it make more sense if we relived his last moments BEFORE the apocalypse, that is a punishment
compact olive
Maybe it’s not a punishment?
modern smelt
Our compassion will be our savior and our downfall
short owl
Cause there were actual people hurt in the event and if time never moves forward, then the people never get saved
hushed steeple
So the idea that every time we die there, our corpse becomes a new statue?
@celest spoke
Not us, but others of our kind, who were sent to probably save the eye in the beginning
compact olive
But didn’t make it?
@celest spoke
Not us, but others of our kind, who were sent to probably save the eye in the beginning
@hushed steeple But the statues didn’t make it ?
hushed steeple
Yep
celest spoke
So their respawn is pure gameplay and unloreable? Sadface
compact olive
But what made us make it?
hushed steeple
My guess is that we were created with the sole purpose in the beginning to save the eye
Since the eye is stealing all of the light and destroying the planet
As we can see from Wasteland
compact olive
But then what were they created for? Aren’t they the same as us ?
In eye of Eden that is
celest spoke
Plot twist: we are unwitting Molochian sacrifices and our deaths are what keep powering the Eden diamond ♦️
hushed steeple
But after so many failed, we were created to save those who had fallen and bring back the elders
modern smelt
Perhaps we are only there for entertainment
compact olive
So we are special @hushed steeple ?
hushed steeple
In a way yes
compact olive
We are food @modern smelt & @celest spoke
modern smelt
Why not both?
compact olive
Wanna hear my theory?
hushed steeple
We are supposed to be the hero who saves the other skids and brings back both the elders and their followers back to orbit
compact olive
On why we are food?
modern smelt
Civilizations come and go. Their lifespans are short compared to the elders.
And Yis
celest spoke
...it’s maybe relevant in that context that moths sometimes think veterans are AI bots, like more interactive versions of the elders
hushed steeple
Let's make a statement tho
All of us here agree that the moth look is cannon
That is what we are supposed to look like
modern smelt
(I’m still really confused by what a moth is)
celest spoke
Do not meddle in the affairs of elders, for you are crunchy and good with ketchup
compact olive
Agreed @hushed steeple moth is cannon look lore outfit
hushed steeple
The cosmetics are to make every player unique
(I’m still really confused by what a moth is)
@modern smelt
Moths are what we call the new baby players
compact olive
So here’s how I feel it works.... (deep breath)....
celest spoke
Confused brown flappy lifeforms that chase light and crash into everything
modern smelt
Ah
hushed steeple
Because they wear the brown cape
modern smelt
Oki
compact olive
Megabird(Megan) are like the Sillia or feelers that pick up food. It is a giant repository for souls/lights. Mantas, butterflies, sky kids, ancestors, all of it flies back to it in space from all of the planets not just this world.
It eats the soul and spits back out the bones, which fertilize back into living beings which again collect more light and fly back up to the feelers and ride back to Megan to be recycled...it’s an eat and poop (fertilize plants makes tomatoes and eat the tomatoes and rinse and repeat) life cycle
compact olive
The only reason @hushed steeple ‘s “we are special” theory makes sense is because the King stopped the cycle.
celest spoke
Our light/wingpower all gets expended in the statue field tho
compact olive
He said “No” to mama big bird and instead kept the light for himself/the darkstones
@celest spoke it’s dispersed into the stone children and they wake up and join the flight back
celest spoke
Why do the minibirds give light to us tho
compact olive
We are like watering cans. The waters gone and used up but not lost
celest spoke
And why am I ending every sentence with tho pft
modest sequoia
So we really are plants
@modern smelt
So we are vegetable? Also explains why skykids do not eat eachother. Kids hate veggies
hushed steeple
Your theory is interesting @compact olive, but it doesn't make sense since we don't only collect light
modern smelt
Lmao, i said it as a crack hc last night
hushed steeple
We also save the elders AND shepherd the other spirits
celest spoke
Skids don’t eat anything (so why the tummy-pat gesture idk)
hushed steeple
In addition our final act is to give away our own light to save the other skids
compact olive
So depending on your perspective, the king isn’t evil. He’s preserving the spirits of his people (stopping them from being turned into a manta in the next life) by keeping their souls Essenes in the dark stones
celest spoke
I have wondered about the Skyworld oxygen cycle unless there are huge algae blooms out at sea
The trees have clouds, not leaves
Green grass maybe photosynthesizing some
compact olive
It’s a lucifarian complex. “I’d rather rule in hell(darkstone) than kneel in heaven(megabird)”
hushed steeple
What did I missed
celest spoke
Hmmm elders are both in their realm and up in orbit somehow
short owl
@lethal stump the command you are looking for is "what is a moth"
pastel brookBOT
A "moth" is a new player. They have brown wings, they flap around uncontrollably, and they are drawn to flame!
compact olive
But they (elders) can’t return to motherbird without the hero’s (us/player) light.
hushed steeple
Your theory also doesn't include the eye of Eden
compact olive
The dark stone keeps the souls in this “atmosphere”
hushed steeple
And that there was an apocalypse that wiped out the whole world
compact olive
@hushed steeple what do you mean by eye if Eden?
hushed steeple
The eye of Eden is the giant red darkstone
That is the eye of Eden
The thing that caused the storm
modern smelt
The eye sees all
hushed steeple
And with it the apocalypse
modern smelt
Perhaps the eye is king, cursed to stay trapped, only able to see
His prison is only able to hold him because he is in the eye of the storm
compact olive
According to the art on the ark in forgotten ark the storm destroyed everything (like a nuke)
modern smelt
Should he leave it, he becomes a statue as well
compact olive
Let me think on the rest.... @hushed steeple
compact olive
@hushed steeple so what caused the storm? I’d say the darkstone exploded like a overworked reactor core. Now making it a vacuum of light and a distributor of dark stone (red stones hitting your face in Eden)
celest spoke
Storm crashed the ark, but they survived for a while and don’t know about the rest of Skyworld, unless we argue that ark storm is what dispersed the colored lights everywhere
Vs them deliberately yeeting them w/ catapult
lethal stump
art ?
compact olive
The art on the boat in game (not concept art) @sly kestrel
hushed steeple
@hushed steeple so what caused the storm? I’d say the darkstone exploded like a overworked reactor core. Now making it a vacuum of light and a distributor of dark stone (red stones hitting your face in Eden)
@compact olive
The storm was caused by the Eye cracking
This is why we say it was either corrupted or someone overloaded with light
lethal stump
we’re talking about FA
sly kestrel
?
compact olive
The king. He died in the explosion it would see,. Too greedy ?
celest spoke
Not equating Forgotten Ark to concept darkstone creature escape ark
compact olive
The art on the boat in the forgotten ark area in game shows the storm destroy the boats. And some of civilization survived, which is why the library has the remnents of the story. But they couldn’t fix eye of Eden. That’s why the moth is needed
celest spoke
Canon king stuff is limited to the mural at the end of Vault I think, and maybe turret shapes in GW
modern smelt
Once the moth is drawn in, they are then trapped in an endless loop
sly kestrel
@compact olive It wasn’t rlly doing the history of the world
It was the past events of the spirits and how they crashed, but that’s my opinion oz
I’m jus saying there’s nothing rlly relating the forgotten ark to the kings history and eden
hushed steeple
We actually don't know how the ark ended up there
sly kestrel
We actually don't know how the ark ended up there
@hushed steeple it.....literally tells a whole story on the mural
hushed steeple
Because we have no timeline suggesting the ark was destroyed by the storm
compact olive
The krill come from the storm, and eat up the rest of civilization as shown on the wall painting on the boat in wasteland and the spirit hiding from the krill
compact olive
Because we have no timeline suggesting the ark was destroyed by the storm
@hushed steeple the wall paintings in forgotten ark area (lightning in clouds hitting boat and turning them upside down)
sly kestrel
There’s nothing indicating it was pushed by the storm at eden tho
It was a seperate storm at wasteland and only wasteland, the story of eden is completely different from the story of the enchantment spirits
compact olive
And krill coming from same clouds
@sly kestrel what storm do you believe they are referencing on the boat art?
sly kestrel
In my view, It’s the storm that was caused at wasteland
It even showed in the trailer that it wasn’t eden’s storm
And the mural says it too
If it was edens storm, it would’ve been a lot more noticeable that it was eden
sly kestrel
But no, it’s about the story of the enchantment spirits and how they were seeking prosperity with the colored lights but failed bc of the wasteland storm and crashed at the hidden island
Wait
...u haven’t played season of enchantment?
sly kestrel
😦
compact olive
What’s the season called?
I’ll look up a video of it to refresh myself so I’m caught up
lethal stump
i just watched the trailer, where does it say that the storm wasn’t from eden ?
compact olive
@lethal stump link me poor favor!
lethal stump
this was what i could find :/
https://youtu.be/CcN4mxCxdb4
compact olive
this was what i could find :/
https://youtu.be/CcN4mxCxdb4
@lethal stump
sly kestrel
And when it started
It said that the spirits were seeking prosperity, we then found out what they were using later on when we saw the mural
hushed steeple
@sly kestrel this is why I said we have no timeline and stuff
sly kestrel
the timeline goes left to right on the ark
hushed steeple
I know
hushed steeple
I'm talking about connecting the ark in enchantment to the eye of Eden Strom
sly kestrel
It’s...not tho
Well based on my views, it has no connection, but I don’t wanna shut down a theory
hushed steeple
Oz was trying to connect the two
Which is why I said we don't have the timeline on when that happened
lethal stump
here’s the teaser where we can see lightning (a storm, perhaps) in the distance. is this what you’re talking about, Ay ?
sly kestrel
Yeah, it basically confirmed that it wasn’t edens storm
That’s why every lore interested person was so hyped for the season and so many questions came to rise
lethal stump
hushed steeple
This would suggest that even before the storm happened Wasteland was becoming a Wasteland where sandstorms were happening
hushed steeple
Which makes sense since it was the most factory like location
sly kestrel
“I couldn't resist, I knew this channel would light up like a christmas tree” ktjn
We were very hyped at the trailer
And it indicated only the storm at the ark area, not the whole realm itself
sly kestrel
Wait oz....uh I think thas jus gameplay of it
compact olive
Maybe the Eden storm initially extended to wasteland ? Like the ring in Star Wars a new hope’s Death Star explosion ?
compact olive
To show the storm was isolated from Eden
sly kestrel
Watch the season teaser that brick sent earlier ^
hushed steeple
The Eden storm wiped out all life from the world
sly kestrel
It doesn’t show eden, it’s jus showing that there was a storm out there that Wasn’t eden
And like I said, that’s why everyone was so hyped for the season
compact olive
But it wiped out alllll life...how did they record it in vault ?
cold steppe
sly kestrel
Idk about all life
It jus showed the boat
hushed steeple
I haven't seen it recorded in vault
sly kestrel
And yes I remember.....everyone was actually disappointed by the ending of the season
We had to head canon everything until we were satisfied 😂
hushed steeple
If you have anything suggesting this, I would like to see it
compact olive
🤔
sly kestrel
Also oz, the enchantment spirits were scholars from vault, thats why the lanterns were there
It was their ark
lethal stump
field study gone wrong
hushed steeple
Or well, it wiped out all life that wasn't up in the sky
compact olive
Okay, Jay @sly kestrel I need to see the visuals for that wasteland storm. If you or anyone could help me with that. @hushed steeple I’m on it (looking for something to insinuate eye of Eden recorded in vault)
sly kestrel
But the other scholars from vault never knew about their field trip so they were forgotten and that’s most likely why their spirits remained
It was an unfinished task
here’s the teaser where we can see lightning (a storm, perhaps) in the distance. is this what you’re talking about, Ay ?
Brick sent it earlier
field study gone wrong
@lethal stump to be honest I’m pretty sure u jus summed up the enchantment lore 😂
lethal stump
hushed steeple
My theory centers around the elders using their light or what was left of it to send pieces of land up on the sky along with their followers to save them from the storm @compact olive
Vault is a area inside the Wasteland altar, so it would make sense that even if the storm hit, it was secured enough to not allow the storm to wipe out the scholars
But the land that was outside, that was a different story
sly kestrel
Ye, they explored outside of vault
sly kestrel
Also jus a quick reminder
I’m saying things based on my head canon and with all my developed knowledge I had with the seasonal content. Things that made sense based on what was given and shown, but overall
There was no canon story written for enchantment, we supposed to make it
compact olive
Eden cause the death of everyone but the scholars safe inside, and they went to venture out but got killed by the residual storms initially cause by Eden?
sly kestrel
After the season ended, everyone was so disappointed bc that was it
There weren’t going to be anymore updates or additions added to the story of the forgotten ark, we were left with a story to make with our heads
compact olive
The krill are shown coming from the storm in the boat mural...and krill aren’t natural..they were created by Eden storm
hushed steeple
Eden cause the death of everyone but the scholars safe inside, and they went to venture out but got killed by the residual storms initially cause by Eden?
@compact olive
But then it doesn't make sense that their spirits are still IN vault
sly kestrel
Whichever makes most sense to you 
compact olive
Not all of them left? @hushed steeple
sly kestrel
hushed steeple
That could make sense
modern smelt
What if krill were once good creatures like manta? They were’t called krill them, but I realized this one skeleton in forest looks kinda like a dinosaur but then I realized that there are no Dino’s, and the on,y creature wi5 anything resembling horns is krill
compact olive
I mean, we all agree that krill come-from the storm clouds on the boat right?
sly kestrel
It’s a whale corpse butterfly
modern smelt
It’s too small to be a whale
compact olive
They were @modern smelt
hushed steeple
Yeah that's a whale
modern smelt
Fair
compact olive
But Eden storm made them
hushed steeple
Well, there were probably more whales before
modern smelt
Huh
sly kestrel
What makes u think that oz? 
hushed steeple
We only know of one whale
compact olive
It’s a shriveled up burnt version of the whale
sly kestrel
Cuz they all got EXTINCT 
modern smelt
We know of three whales, actually
compact olive
And they’re roughly the same size
hushed steeple
It seems to be the only whale to exist
sly kestrel
And that was jus the lighting, other places it actually shows it’s color
compact olive
Let me show you
sly kestrel
Like the ascent at eden
hushed steeple
It is also the whale that helps us in Eden to get through the last part
modern smelt
There’s one in forest, one in wasteland, and one after eden
sly kestrel
Nothing implies they aren’t the same whale
sly kestrel
Plus it moves
modern smelt
Fair, but there isn’t anything implying they are, either
sly kestrel
hushed steeple
There is nothing to suggest they don't travel through the sky
But even if there are 3
modern smelt
Honestly, if I was a whale and I lived in this forest place, I wouldn’t want to leave for a wasteland
hushed steeple
They might be the only whales to survive
modern smelt
True
hushed steeple
Which means the rest were wiped out during the storm
small perch
so krill were born from the storm and not just corrupted creatures
compact olive
modern smelt
That gives off terrifying vibes
Thansk
Born doesn’t neccessarily mean “created brand new”
compact olive
That’s what the dark stones do if used incorrectly. They corrupt things
modern smelt
It can also mean to come out as something new
small perch
i would call that corrupted then
modern smelt
Fair, but not everyone may do so
It could also be a “let’s see how we can word this fancy”
small perch
corrupted by darkness, born from darkness, same difference really
modern smelt
True
sly kestrel
If I remember correctly
The office used to have a toilet krill
And I believe that’s what that pic is from
modern smelt
that sounds terrifying
sly kestrel
Second pic is most likely oob
compact olive
Look at a Star child when hit with dark stone and a Krill.. give off the same decay circles (bubbles)
sly kestrel
Yupp, I had a theory that krills are slowly dying
When we are dying we have the black flakes, and krill have em too so I thought they were dying from darkness
modern smelt
Huh
hollow orbit
hello lore chat i am here again
lethal stump
hello squid
hushed steeple
Its more like when you lose your light
But they could have been a completely different species, doesn't have to be whales
small perch
getting rid of the particles takes getting light, so what if a krill got light
sly kestrel
Huh
@modern smelt reread it till it makes sense to you 🙂
compact olive
The original concept art shows elder creatures (whales) were what became krill. (I know it’s no longer canon but...) the king has statues of him still in the game as the concept art shows as well. The intent was all the same. Giant creatures came to Eden and got blasted by eye of Eden turned krill
hollow orbit
@lethal stump im so sorry for this morning 
anyhow yknow crabs have the same dark particles?
small perch
im still living for the hopes of an uncorrupted krill
hollow orbit
NOOOOO IM SORRY
small perch
if we can have docile crabs, we can have docile krill 
compact olive
But only in wasteland not in forest @hollow orbit
lethal stump
in forest there’s particles on kraebs
hushed steeple
The original concept art shows elder creatures (whales) were what became krill. (I know it’s no longer canon but...) the king has statues of him still in the game as the concept art shows as well. The intent was all the same. Giant creatures came to Eden and got blasted by eye of Eden turned krill
@compact olive
Well, they didn't exactly remove the king from the game, he is just someone no one talks about
hollow orbit
i think the only place where particles aren’t on crabs is the || office ||
hushed steeple
EXCEPT for lore chat
lethal stump
and sanctuary peaceful crabs
compact olive
I didn’t see particles on the hidden forest ones
hushed steeple
i think the only place where particles aren’t on crabs is the || office ||
@hollow orbit
I also think so, I haven't met a crab that doesn't cry to attack me anywhere else BUT the office
and sanctuary peaceful crabs
@lethal stump
Definitely not peaceful, I've almost lost wl because of them
lethal stump
there’s two/three peaceful kraebs in sanctuary on the smaller islands
hollow orbit
they’re just vibing
compact olive
Okay so where are we on the Eden wasteland storms idea ? We all agree krill come from Eden storm or is there another theory discounting that canon/lore ?
hushed steeple
there’s two/three peaceful kraebs in sanctuary on the smaller islands
@lethal stump
I haven't met those
But I also didn't explore the far away islands
hollow orbit
what if krill used to be the prey of whales
hushed steeple
Okay so where are we on the Eden wasteland storms idea ? We all agree krill come from Eden storm or is there another theory discounting that canon/lore ?
@compact olive
I personally have no standing on the krill, so any theory can go
lethal stump
what if krill used to be the prey of whales
that is how it is irl
hollow orbit
that makes me imagine the krill being much smaller
compact olive
So what information do we have that krill do NOT come from Eden?
compact olive
Ocam’s razor
Or however you spell it lol
So if we have no hard evidence that krill come from anywhere else/any other origin than from Eden... wouldn’t it be safe to say this mural points to the Eden storm ? (Or in the veeeeery least a storm that was a residual or caused by eden’s blast)
I feel like I lost everybody
hushed steeple
It would make more sense if the krill already existed
Corrupting had already set into the land
It wouldn't be surprising if the light from the kill was taken
Thus corrupting them
And turning them evil
compact olive
But then why are they not (with or without) in places/times like dawn, day, sunset? (I like that idea too, but they are absent from the rest of the Sky kingdom)
hushed steeple
That is why I say that the other lands are up in the sky
compact olive
(With or without “light”) is what I meant to say
hushed steeple
And the Elders used their light to save pieces of their land
The ones that could
If we look at it
sly kestrel
Could’ve sworn I saw ktjn typing earlier
Well, if it’s about me being “disrespectful” again about other people’s thoughts, u have full permission to kick or mute me
hushed steeple
Wasteland had a war happen there
Which culminated in the elder there dying
At the very least fell
And unable to save any of his land or followers
sinful anvil
how did we meet every elder in the final vault cutscene? why are they all here
(forest mama sure is mean but at least she bowed.)
hollow orbit
ooh off topic but still lore
im doing a cr through valley and it got me thinking - what type of sports do y'all think were popular?
lethal stump
sliding/boat racing and the hockey-esque game the twins are playing in their mural
sinful anvil
it’s funny how a civilization can function somewhat after its gone to ruins. like the sliding race
game: race down the ridge, the glory awaits
me: but the city is “dead”!!!
lethal stump
the cheers are the prince’s memories imo—
worldly temple
I had a theory that one twin was liked more then the other
hollow orbit
was it sam
lethal stump
- gasp * ktjn
agile galleon
Wanted to pop in about the "2 years of support" for Sky from that press interview, since it's being taken a little out of context.
We'll support the game as long as there are players who support it. Two years is more about how far we have content planned in advance. We are not going to just shut the game down one day in 2022.
hollow orbit
wh
lethal stump
thank goodness
hollow orbit
aww thank you!
lethal stump
sky forever
hollow orbit
sky together, sky forever! 
lethal stump
that would be a good chant
hollow orbit
chant it racing down the valley
hushed steeple
I believe the fireworks are automatic
Ya know, they were set to always pop off when people won the race
hollow orbit
on the earlier topic of one valley twin being more popular than the other..what if thats why they have such an intense rivalry (aside from yknow, sibling rivalry)
hollow orbit
what if it periodically changed, although im sure ekh would love to know his hair is now iconic
short owl
One may feel like they HAVE to hold up to the expectations of others to always be the best while the other is busy trying to get a spot in the spotlight type of thing?
hollow orbit
wow, i always thought that they were close but that theory makes me wonder if they couldnt stand the other
short owl
I would imagine it's a mix
worldly temple
The sliding race goes down hill, and is in shadow, looks more run down.
short owl
They have to live together forever now, but there's no reason they had to before
hollow orbit
imagine being stuck forever with a sibling you most of the time were jealous of
lethal stump
in my headcanon, after being put in time out, they basically despise each other now and take their anger out on one another 
hollow orbit
short owl
On the flip, imagine having that and then seeing them break down because the day starting over every day changes things significantly
worldly temple
Well one knocks it away, the other asks for it nicely.
chilly kestrel
All in all, it seems a bit like a dance and a bit like a game.
short owl
Like maybe they perfect the day over the course of the week, but it's so much to keep up
hollow orbit
in sync in trying to get it away from the other, like they've been doing this for a while
worldly temple
I mean there was a war XD its not all sunshine
lethal stump
almost like...a loop
short owl
By the end of a month, they're probably not holding their head as high, and start making mistakes
chilly kestrel
But their cutscene makes me smile so big I don’t believe they really hate each other
worldly temple
And that's ok!
rotund cipher
you guys think the TS mask is actually something similar to this?
worldly temple
Its just what i thought
hollow orbit
they probably used to hate each other but they do have all of eternity now to talk out their issues 
short owl
And then breaking down because not only is everything not working, it doesn't seem to matter.
modern smelt
What if it’s the beginning of a war?
Like, before it gets serious
Bc in the next area, the wastelands, there’s so many shipwrecks and soldiers and refugee spirits
hollow orbit
the plagues from prince of egypt starts playing
unkempt slate
Love that song
small perch
unrelated to the current discussion, but could the ancestors, specifically the spirits with capes, could they fly? or were they just simply capes
short owl
So then the jealous twin starts picking up their twins duties, and the "perfect" twin slowly learns to let go of having every little thing be perfect
lethal stump
they were just capes, logan
hollow orbit
im guessing based on the cutscene that ekh (ikeman hair) was the more valued twin
short owl
But they ABSOLUTELY still need to mess with that one person who always comes in looking different each time somehow?
hollow orbit
hmmm
hollow orbit
also im getting these names via a collection gathered from old concept art that another user posted if yall don't know @_@
isle: daleth (ד)
prairie: ayin (ע)
forest: teth (ט)
valley: samekh (ס)
wasteland: tsadi (צ)
vault: lamed (ל)
Prince/Corrupt King: alef/resh (א and ר)
short owl
I wonder if 
is actually bad at the paddle game and they're masking it because they can never find time to practice in their one very busy day
lethal stump
i posted that, squid
chilly kestrel
Theory: eden whales are uncorrupted krill
hollow orbit
hmmm, that would be interesting but aren't whales neutral creatures?
can neutral creatures get corrupted
im rewatching the valley cutscene for clarification and i just noticed our skykid helps ekh
bias
lethal stump
well, skids get « corrupt » when we lose our light, does that count ?
short owl
... Okay so Isle, Vault, and maybe Prarie are waiting for you, Valley comes to meet you, Forest never seems to expect you, and Wasteland seems just kinda thrust in from the middle of a battle
Are these prisons built differently? How does this work?
hollow orbit
If you asked me I'd say it has to do with their personalities
lethal stump
same
wasteland hears us and thinks he’s being attacked
the valley twins take any chance to preform
forest is focused on the diamond
prairie slep
i don’t remember the isle cutscene
short owl
I could maybe buy that were it not for Tsadi
Oooh, thinks he's being attacked makes sense... But then why attack the air
lethal stump
ptsd makes you think things are going on when they aren’t
it’s likely a reflex, instinct maybe
also i forgot to mention vault vault, but she’s so exhausted she’s just sitting there pondering
hollow orbit
isle is just old and then uses the light to get swole
isle is like "thank the king finally some good food"
skykid: here's the li--
daleth: delicious, finally some good food
speaking of daleth though i have to wonder about that cane
modern smelt
Lmao
hollow orbit
what's the deal with it, like all the rest of the elders have tools related to how their area is related to energy production or what their area is known for
lethal stump
off topic, but someone mentioned prince of egypt. I was listening to the soundtrack and « Faster » is definitely Samekh energy
modern smelt
She’s in a vault of knowledge. She’s not surrounded by other people or danger. There’s stuff to “read” though
lethal stump
if vault vault can even access the texts
short owl
Daleth: "oh it's been so long. Why must I reset to the day I got back from that ill planned six day hike?!"
lethal stump
we can see in the laugh spirit’s memories that cane is used to gather light, although it’s still odd that isle grandpa has it
hollow orbit
in the cutscene that cane seems to summon creatures of light
and considering how the diamonds are made
lethal stump
so doing the opposite of its job ?
lethal stump
light creature:
some weird grandpa: * waves a stick around *
light creature: ah yes. chase the sticc
short owl
Something that gathers should also place
hollow orbit
light creature:
some weird grandpa: * waves a stick around *
light creature: ah yes. chase the sticc
@lethal stump i mean that is the cutscene
lethal stump
it is
hollow orbit
but imagine playing fetch with a manta
lethal stump
:0
modern smelt
Trying to provide you something happy to remember when you’re in a dark place
sweet dirge
uwuwuwuwuwuwuwuwuwuwuwu
lethal stump
hm
modern smelt
I’ve already touched on wasteland, the player, krill, and the vault
lethal stump
i challenge you to make angst about valley
short owl
Okay so... I'm covering the collapse of that tower we really should have maintained or torn down, you've got the ill fated "party" down at the square..."
Okay but I can still sweep the light from that kid, right?
What? I'm a perfectionist not a killjoy. Of course we can, I just also wanna look good while you do it.
Okay... What if you went in for a sweep while I flip away at the last second?
PERFECT
compact olive
we can see in the laugh spirit’s memories that cane is used to gather light, although it’s still odd that isle grandpa has it
@lethal stump can you clarify what you mean by this?
compact olive
Is there a difference between the cane and the elder’s wand ? Are you sure they are the same?
lethal stump
they look almost the same in the cutscenes
compact olive
So what did you mean by it’s still “odd” that elder has a wand ?
lethal stump
because afaik isle isn’t part of « light gathering » just ferrying
compact olive
Hmm 🤔
But he ferries animals/creatures too.
I have a theory
Thank you @lethal stump I love you.
hexed mist
Plus he's old so the staff just sorta... fits the theme I imagine?
lethal stump
thats a bit much—
modern smelt
Everything echoes. It’s easy to fall or run into something and your mistakes are amplified for miles. The wind in your face and hair feels nice at first, at least until you realize the wind is deafening. The light reflects off of every surface, giving you a false hope of some memory you can see, or a child of light there to brighten your day. It’s easy to grow tired, your wing power is hard to refill. It’s hot and loud.
The valley is supposed to encourage friendly competition. It started that way, you think. Races were friendly competitions, and stands were filled with cheering spectators. Something changed though, and competitions were no longer about having fun. Races weren’t friendly, instead being used as a means of showing strength. Jealousy spread, fights began to occur. The stands are empty, save for a lone spectator, hopeful for one last friendly game.
We come, laughing and holding hands, gliding around. We come and say hi, and she knows we are not like her. It’s alright, though, we think. Otherwise she wouldn’t still be here, right? The times are peaceful, she is cheering us on.
There’s a war approaching, I wonder if she knows about it.
compact olive
You just put the missing piece to the isle of dawn Prairie puzzle for me
lethal stump
ok then—
compact olive
What if... get this... the wands were originally made to guide creatures of light to the holy land .... but in prairie they’re used instead to capture... the creatures
modern smelt
D:
red grove
So what's you main theory?
Mine is that the first chapters (The mountains, the valley and the first desert)
Happen in the sky, while the last two (Wastelands and Eden) on earth.
The earth has been contaminated, but the sky remains a "santuary"
Actual santuary is just the last place not touched by the corruption, but it's starting to be corrupted (Crabs that suck out light)
compact olive
dun Dun DUUUUN!!
modern smelt
I think it’s a progression through time, partially
odd karma
my overall theory is that there’s no way the vault is still standing because it’s so close to Eden fallout
anything we go through is a memory/dream 😔✨
modern smelt
Cause you start on the beach, alone. The structures are more primitive, and then you get to prairie. It’s cheerful, a golden age of technological advancement.
compact olive
Think about it @lethal stump the wands lure in creatures of light, the elder does it in the cut scene, he guides flying birds to the stars with his wand. But the people use it to put them in jars / vases
lethal stump
ooo
compact olive
And at first you don’t see anything wrong with it because it’s all cute butterflies in jars and they flutter out of the jars when opened, but the. You get to wastelands as see the black sludge made of discarded animal remains...
It’s all fun and games till your pet becomes ooze
red grove
I think it’s a progression through time, partially
@modern smelt
Sorta. Also the more building and civilizations you see the more corruption there is. In the plains there no building save for a few doors but there also no corruption at all. In the woods theres some cabins and bridges but corruption it's already there.
The valley it's a strange mix, because while it looks very shiny there are some part where you randomly loose light. And of course, crabs beging to emerge there. Wastelands it's full of scorched buildings and war machines. All the water is corrupted and krill fly over the landscape. Finally, Eden, as the heart of your kingdom, it's completely barren of any life or help.
modern smelt
Then forest, they’re expanding and need more resources for their civilization. They start mining, I think this is where the elders maybe stopped paying as much attention or lost power over the people? I’m not 100 percent sure tbh
red grove
The vault and the sanctuary have it on their names, both places are meant to be holy and be saved because of what they are, but the corruption it's already spreading in the sanctuary. Who know how long it will be until they reach the vault?
modern smelt
Yeah
compact olive
So any theories on the Bible?
modern smelt
The valley is also a golden age in a sense, but it’s full of celebration and competition
compact olive
The religion ?
red grove
Then forest, they’re expanding and need more resources for their civilization. They start mining, I think this is where the elders maybe stopped paying as much attention or lost power over the people? I’m not 100 percent sure tbh
@modern smelt
They actually began to lose people there too. They stopped caring about the colonists
modern smelt
Yeah
sinful gull
The elders became more and more corrupt as the power they had increaed
modern smelt
And I think a civil war occurred, the people in support of the king and those who have been hurt by his neglect. I think this divide started in the valley, after all there were people dying and there are others enjoying luxury
sinful gull
Increased*
modern smelt
Then we see the result of war in the wasteland
sinful gull
You can see it with the two races being divided into wealthy and working class
odd karma
wouldnt vault have already been effected, given that in that area u need two players to enter there’s crabs everywhere
and the place has already decayed
sinful gull
also remember vault is not the actual vault. it’s like a hallucination
odd karma
imo the vault definitely has already been destroyed but we’re exploring a memory of it 😔
modern smelt
The vault has a lot of graves in it, and there seems to be a lot of knowledge. Perhaps they found a way to protect themselves, or at least preserve the knowledge in hopes of someone coming by to find it
sinful gull
the real vault is when you exit the cutscene and enter eden
odd karma
like there’s. there’s absolutely no way the vault still exists when you look at wasteland sowoejeb
sinful gull
Exactly
lethal stump
exactly, the top’s probably been blown off aside from the part we reach via elder magic
modern smelt
Civilizations can rebuild on previously ruined land
odd karma
I don’t doubt that it used to be a place filled with knowledge and stuff our Skykids can no longer read but the actual structure definitely sustained damage
short owl
Unless the vault is actually within the mountain
modern smelt
It’s not impossible
red grove
Btw I find it quite sad that the massive effort spent on saving the vault an it's knowledge fails at the end, as you can see that the vault it's not completely and I fact it's falling apart, you have to light it up again. And worse our skykids can't read
modern smelt
It’s also possible that they’re on the edges of the civilization and managed to avoid it, perhaps refugees were trying to make it to the vault
short owl
The mountain would have taken the brunt of the damage, but the vault itself may have survived
odd karma
idk
if it was some sort of fallout situation the vault being so close would mean that it could have definitely taken damage too
red grove
I mean it in the name
VAULT
It's meant to be very protected.
odd karma
also the blast radius could have been wide enough
I mean, if the golden wasteland looks like what it does, why wouldn’t the vault look worse sisijdbd
sinful gull
Unless the vault was fortified
red grove
It makes sense that it survives. But sadly it doesn't matter, it's not complete, is falling apart and we can't read
modern smelt
Perhaps the people died slowly from radiation poisoning?
odd karma
I mean there’s already crabs in the vault too TwT there’s definitely darkness already there
modern smelt
(Or something akin to it)
compact olive
It’s considered an elevator beneath the citadel of Eden. It would have been very protected internally. Considering a lot of the higher platforms are destroyed
modern smelt
There’s crabs in the vault?
sinful gull
yeah
short owl
Also the vault would not be exposed to the elements. There's part of a mountain in the way
sinful gull
In the area you need two players to open
red grove
Perhaps the people died slowly from radiation poisoning?
@modern smelt
Our skykids are walking furnaces. I don't think radiation can kill them
odd karma
there’s crabs everywhere inside there
sinful gull
@modern smelt
Our skykids are walking furnaces. I don't think radiation can kill them
@red grove this is referring to the spirits
modern smelt
@modern smelt
Our skykids are walking furnaces. I don't think radiation can kill them
Not us, the people before ipus
Ye
odd karma
i would imagine the actual vault that isnt a memory would be. less than well preserved
because that section has been broken and seemingly has decayed for awhile?
modern smelt
Ye
compact olive
@modern smelt
Our skykids are walking furnaces. I don't think radiation can kill them
@red grove sky kids aren’t the same race/species as the ancestors
red grove
@red grove sky kids aren’t the same race/species as the ancestors
@compact olive
WHAT REALLY?
odd karma
think of all the stuff out in those diamonds that we just can’t read
sinful gull
odd karma
spirits + sky kids r related but not the same species
compact olive
@compact olive
WHAT REALLY?
@red grove the sky kids have 3 eyes the ancestors have only 2 eyes
sinful gull
A lot of the lanterns are missing from the shelves, the elevator structure has collapsed, there looks to be sand of some sort on the sides
it’s obviously destroyed
red grove
@red grove the sky kids have 3 eyes the ancestors have only 2 eyes
@compact olive we have evolved
odd karma
it’s definitely been subject to the elements there’s no way in hell its intact
modern smelt
Lmao, it’s like taking a magnet to a hard drive
odd karma
you ever just blow a little wind on a forest fire and hope that fixes it
compact olive
Yes, the sky kids never grow up and have a third eye. Plus the spirits of the ancestors are blue/grey and the sky kids are pure light
odd karma
skykids directly descend from megabird right? :0
sinful gull
Yeah
odd karma
okay lore knowledge intact 
short owl
We do seem at least slightly telepathic
compact olive
So no one has anything on the religion ?
lethal stump
we don’t know the religion of sky
spring blaze
maybe theres multiple bc theres diff elders?
odd karma
did spirits worship the elders :0?
compact olive
@lethal stump okay... so I was thinking the book of dark stone is religion
short owl
Maybe there isn't one. If your "gods" are just people who buy groceries and provide goods or services, what need is there for holey books?
odd karma
if anything wouldn’t it make more sense to worship megabird
short owl
If they have a request or complaint, it'll go through the same systems as everyone else's does.
compact olive
maybe theres multiple bc theres diff elders?
@spring blaze I think there’s only 2 religions or one religion and one thought/way of life in contrast
Maybe there isn't one. If your "gods" are just people who buy groceries and provide goods or services, what need is there for holey books?
@short owl oh there’s a religion alright
The religion is of a god. It is worshiping the dark stone.
The religion is NOT of a god *
odd karma
d. did they worship dark stone??
compact olive
Yes
odd karma
I thought they just used it because it was. real powerful and powered their technology,,
compact olive
At least hear me out on this
compact olive
The tree chopping spirit bows to the holy book...
The vault elder’s statue holds the holy book...
The vault elder’s constellation mural has the darkstone writings doing something to the animals
They all (all spirits) wear the symbol of the book of the dark stone (diamond)
odd karma
could just be. diamonds man
short owl
All that kneeling in the temple... Given that's how we visit the elders, maybe it's a case of they too needing to visit the elders before they could move forward.
Also the vault elder's statue could literally be holding a book on proper scientific reasearch
lethal stump
wait vault vault has a book ?
compact olive
It has the dark stone diamond symbol on it.
odd karma
I mean. I really don’t think diamonds necessarily represent darkstone
because the diamond motif is everywhere
sure it’s specifically relevant when you consider darkstone powered doors w the diamonds on them but there’s also diamonds on the lamps
lethal stump
diamonds are made of darkstone, as far as we know
odd karma
idk I just. I really don’t think they’d be out here worshipping stuff they probably just considered fossil fuels
lethal stump
true, but remember these are magic fossil fuels
short owl
They may put up warning labels near their power sources
It's all fun and games till someone gets a little too much power to the finger
odd karma
brain says makes more sense to worship the god that spirits and elders seem to know exist, aka big bird
lethal stump
if the elders like big bird 
short owl
Big bird meanie.
compact olive
odd karma
big bird might just be out here wanting people to respect it instead of bolting
compact olive
lethal stump
i don’t think that’s them bowing to the book, rather apologizing that they almost hit someone with their tree
compact olive
Then why the floating book?
short owl
Ye... Hitting someone with tree is bad
odd karma
the dude might have. Dropped the book
short owl
Cause book in process of falling
odd karma
I too would drop anything I’m holding if a dude randomly nearly smacked me headfirst with a tree
and for that vault elder art
To me it depicts more of what the vault was doing
Storing knowledge in those diamonds
compact olive
I think it’s funny, I’m not sure the big guy cut the tree down gets down on hands and knees to apologize to a guy who is dropping book after tree already fell down
odd karma
I mean that is the whole point of the emote— it’s an apology
In the context it would be an apology wouldn’t it
odd karma
I really just. I’m not sold on what you’re selling me here
compact olive
I’m making the observation that it might be a religion
lethal stump
or it could just be a book. we see the same kind of book that Timid has
i don’t think the only book a bookworm has would be a « holy » one
compact olive
Why would you put a symbol on your book that represents the dark stone? On children’s books, on 50 shades of grey novels? The same symbol? Doesn’t seem likely to me
odd karma
I mean. Could be a book about darkstone, not necessarily “holy” lol
compact olive
They have other symbols. On the golden tops at prairie forexample. But the diamond generally represents the dark stone
odd karma
Given the Forest utilizes darkstone the most it would make sense for people to read books detailing info about darkstone just to be aware of it
compact olive
But then why also put it on their robes and head dresses?
kind bobcat
Diamond shapes doesnt always represent darkstone, it's characteristic to the ancestors
odd karma
man sometimes they could just. be diamonds
kind bobcat
Most likely the diamond markings came before darkstone did
lethal stump
it’s shape psychology
odd karma
I’m pretty sure the elders kinda looked like that before they found darkstone
compact olive
What gives you that idea @kind bobcat ?
kind bobcat
The ancestors predate the elders, and the elders introduced darkstone to the ancestors
hollow orbit
^^^
compact olive
I thought concept art wasn’t considered canon?
lethal stump
without it we have almost nothing, it’s the best reference we have
compact olive
@kind bobcat where did you find that info?
kind bobcat
What info
compact olive
The ancestors predate elders and that they introduced it to elders
kind bobcat
No, ancestors predate elders and the elders introduced darkstone to the ancestors
compact olive
I used art earlier in this conversation and someone said we can’t use it because it’s not canon
Was I being trolled?
kind bobcat
maybe, maybe not
hexed mist
I think the validity of concept art depends on how much of it stayed in the game
compact olive
No, ancestors predate elders and the elders introduced darkstone to the ancestors
@kind bobcat where did you get this info?
kind bobcat
What do you think forest elder did
Without forest elder, darkstone was useless since she made them into power diamonds.
hexed mist
As in, how much of the concept is still shadowed in the live version
But that's just me I suppose
compact olive
So you think forest elder came to the planet at the same time as the old man elder?
kind bobcat
all the elders came down at the same time i think.
The elders were referred to as stars in the opening sequence.
odd karma
why wouldn’t they come down at the same time
compact olive
So where do you draw the conclusion that the elders brought the dark stone to ancestors?
Is that a personal headcanon or an observation?
hexed mist
I'm also fairly skeptical about the book being holy simply because they are... stars and I find it difficult to imagine they would need religion. The book mostly looks as though it would hold relevant information towards the projects they were working on in the forest. 
Sorry for being late to the conversation
They have such powerful magic already
What need would they have for a religion
compact olive
I'm also fairly skeptical about the book being holy simply because they are... stars and I find it difficult to imagine they would need religion. The book mostly looks as though it would hold relevant information towards the projects they were working on in the forest.
@hexed mist the religion wouldn’t be a “need” sort of thing. The king would have implemented it in place of the megabird ideology. As shown in the concept art
lethal stump
i’d imagine if anything was worshipped it was the king, we see people « praying » to him in the vault mural
odd karma
why would the king make his subjects worship something other than him
worldly temple
Yeah I'm not buying religion.
compact olive
i’d imagine if anything was worshipped it was the king, we see people « praying » to him in the vault mural
@lethal stump The king’s entire head is made of dark stone
hexed mist
The book looks so ordinary though, so I figure a religious book we would find on a pedastle or a stand, and it would be much grander, to emphasize it's importance
odd karma
Also to add on, there’s so much magic within Sky already that I find it odd that they’d worship the thing that... kinda just opens up their doors
compact olive
The book looks so ordinary though, so I figure a religious book we would find on a pedastle or a stand, and it would be much grander, to emphasize it's importance
@hexed mist like bibles on counter tops or in purses
hexed mist
But this is a videogame, so if it's a super important book it would be more obvious because there's no other context for that book
compact olive
Also to add on, there’s so much magic within Sky already that I find it odd that they’d worship the thing that... kinda just opens up their doors
@odd karma the kings constellation shows worship
lethal stump
but they’re worshipping the king. after all, he’s in the very centre of the mural, why wouldn’t they be worshipping him ?
odd karma
^^
hexed mist
At the very least they're showing his importance
odd karma
If I was a king I’d rather have people worship me
compact olive
but they’re worshipping the king. after all, he’s in the very centre of the mural, why wouldn’t they be worshipping him ?
@lethal stump they could be, they could also be worshiping the thing he’s worshiping
hexed mist
But I'm genuinely struggling with this religion thing
odd karma
Why does a world like sky even need a religion anyways
lethal stump
but we don’t know what that ball is
compact olive
Woah woah woah
Never said sky needs a religion. Lol
I think this conversation has taken a horrible turn, I’m not sure if that’s due to personal bias. I never stated sky needed a religion. I’m simply using art and images to draw a conclusion to this images
odd karma
I don’t mean to come off pushy or dismissive but I think a lot of users have been contradicting your claims,,
hexed mist
I don't think so??? I think we're just not exactly seeing eye to eye on the theory is all. There's no hard feelings at all
compact olive
But only with personal opinion @odd karma. No one has shown any in game evidence to support the opposite conclusively
And that’s what I’m trying to ask for. Observations that support for or against
sly kestrel
I think the only religion is worship to the elders and the king, possibly the Megabird as well
But overall, in the making of sky, they used inspirations from multiple real life religions
compact olive
I’m not religious. I know of religion. And those images, a book with a symbol, the symbol of the dark stone, the same book in the hands of the knowledge keeper, the knowledge keeper using magic with the dark stones.
kind bobcat
most likely they worshipped the king because there's references of him everywhere
modern smelt
The elders are often depicted as the same level than them, just bigger. This could be more symbolism that they are leaders. The king, however, is depicted as above them, so it’s possible that the king was worshiped for a time
compact olive
In the concept art the captions say that the king/prince gave dark stones to the elders he chose and made them godlike.
kind bobcat
Which led them to being disconnected from the light.
hexed mist
I have doubts about the book and the religion personally because of the lack of obvious context/imagery and setup, but I do think that they were inclined to praise and idealize (I'm hesitant to say worship) power and advancement
Idk
kind bobcat
We don't see much of the effects or the darkstone itself on them though.
compact olive
@hexed mist now as lore said, it’s how much made it into the final product, but you can see their intent that the dark stone gave godly powers to the elders first.
kind bobcat
The elders are godly in some ways, but surely not because of darkstone
The king might be godly because of darkstone
since he's either dead or corrupted.
hexed mist
I'm honestky really melancholy about all of the losses these people faced too
compact olive
The elders are godly in some ways, but surely not because of darkstone
@kind bobcat They all wear dark stone headdresses. What info are you looking at that makes you say they are godlike without it? I want to look at it from your perspective
hexed mist
There has to be so much regret around their mistakes
kind bobcat
If they did use darkstone to become godly
They would've been corrupted
They were disconnected from the light but i don't see much of the corruption.
compact olive
They would've been corrupted
@kind bobcat isn’t that what the story is about? The narrator says “but darkness blinds...”
kind bobcat
No, i only see that they're disconnected from the light
The fact that they didnt kill us on sight is what makes me think they're not corrupted
and if they were corrupted, they would look a lot more rocky.
compact olive
Corruption to you = pure outright violent evil ?
kind bobcat
Maybe, since that's how dark creatures behave around us.
compact olive
I could see that. Like Krill. ..
hexed mist
Over time if they were corrupted they would be more similar to other creatures who are inclined to harm the skychildren
kind bobcat
Corruption to me = Disconnection from the light and connection to darkness / indifference
compact olive
But... what if since they came from the stars, they are less likely to become AS corrupted as something in the center of the eye of Eden (ie; krill)
hexed mist
The valley twins don't have these headdresses
kind bobcat
Note, the darkstones were "special"
hexed mist
Are they not godlike in power/not corrupted??
kind bobcat
Maybe similar to the eye of eden.
compact olive
The elders are closer to the megabird at the start of their journey to sky kingdom
I would argue that their hockey staves are made of pure dark stone
red cedar
?
compact olive
Not the best argument but it seems possible since they’re the only awards that light up
Awards = swords
Corruption to me = Disconnection from the light and connection to darkness / indifference
@kind bobcat so if 1 = connection to mother bird/light and 10 = the king head explodes in Eden due to full corruption .... where do you see the elders ?
kind bobcat
7.5
compact olive
And the ancestors that didn’t make it to the motherbird ?
compact olive
And as far as God’s go.. if the elders are Gods... what exactly stopped them from joining motherbird ?
compact olive
I know, but clarify. Did they fall because of the dark stones did they fall and then find the dark stones?
kind bobcat
Fall and then darkstones.
Since the darkstones were harvested in forest.
We don't see much darkstone in forest though, most agreed the power diamonds were forged with darkness and light.
compact olive
We don't see much darkstone in forest though, most agreed the power diamonds were forged with darkness and light.
@kind bobcat is there a specific image or writing or mural that depicts this ?
red grove
So what's the meaning of the red cristals?
For what I see they are the real baddies. Krill have them in their mouths, and they are the ones directly sucking out your light
compact olive
So what's the meaning of the red cristals?
For what I see they are the real baddies. Krill have them in their mouths, and they are the ones directly sucking out your light
@red grove Krill starts out blue and then turns red, as are the fallen dark stones in eye of Eden. I think red indicates overload of darkstone
hexed mist
So it's my understanding that they were using the wildlife to create these stones??
hexed mist
the power stones I mean. To harvest their light and bring to the forest to create those power crystals
Which is really dark and unfortunate if true...
compact olive
And then there's the forest temple door
@kind bobcat in that image I don’t see that light is being used. Just the raw dark stones. Anything Clearer than this?
hexed mist
It does not paint the elders in a good light at all, but it would explain a lot of things. And they would need a source of power once they fell
willow bear
There's this
@kind bobcat could it be that you first create your Sky you later travel to?
kind bobcat
Here's the temple door
hexed mist
It could also be part of why their civilization fell, because they were harming the wildlife and that can only go on for so long
kind bobcat
There are two elements of the main diamond
One blue and one yellow.
It's clear the yellow came from the jars, and jars were used to store butterflies
compact olive
One blue and one yellow.
@kind bobcat its imply animal essence was used?
kind bobcat
Maybe
In a brainstorm session we thought it could be made both from inorganic and organic light
Since there were light "miners"
compact olive
So the dark stone absorbed light and keeps light... I mean... that’s it’s function. A battery essentially. I’m not sure I understand the using creatures before....
willow bear
I thought yellow means ascended light
compact olive
Oh my goodness... it’s starting to make sense
tender kelp
There’s not that many creatures in sky, what if there was more but they died out?
hexed mist
The jars and boats and such are shipments, to fuel the society
To create power sources
willow bear
Also pipes
compact olive
But the dark stones hold the light. Make it ....last like stretch it out or squeeze it out of the animals
sly kestrel
“Power diamonds were also related to the downfall of the civilization”
Heheh sorry I love bringing up that quote
kind bobcat
Darkstone absorbs light from the surrounding area.
compact olive
The pipes had animal remains in them
hexed mist
I don't think that's the case
kind bobcat
And if the eden fart theory is right
hexed mist
That's a lil... uh... too nasty I think
kind bobcat
Eden was just a big power plant
compact olive
hexed mist
I want to say that the pollution is more just a type of darkness polluton but I don't think it's actual remains
kind bobcat
Or was turned into a powerplant
sly kestrel
Don’t forget concepts are jus concepts and old ideas and most of em never made it to the game
willow bear
And what about crabs, they still are kinda alive?
kind bobcat
It's the king, it has always been the king
Crabs and krills aren't connected to the light, which makes them useless for making power diamonds.
compact olive
The sludge !
willow bear
Crabs and krills aren't connected to the light, which makes them useless for making power diamonds.
@kind bobcat is it because they are black?
kind bobcat
well yes, that makes it sound a bit racist but yes.
compact olive
So now that it’s not canon, what is the sludge in wasteland pipes?
kind bobcat
We thought the sludge was remains of the mashed creatures,
compact olive
It’s animal remains @hushed steeple lol
kind bobcat
Since when they got the light squeezed out of them they became devoid of light, and dark objects draw light from the surrounding area.
compact olive
The concept art guides us to the original intent and nothing in game says it’s not
Occurs razor
Occum’s razor *
kind bobcat
Occam*
compact olive
However you spell it
kind bobcat
Yes, the dark creatures were already dark creatures
And they coexisted with light creatures
compact olive
Since when @hushed steeple ?
kind bobcat
The fact this thing exists
hexed mist
I'm gonna sit in my little corner and pretend that it's just water poisoned by darkness and that it's not ANIMAL remains because then I will cry and also be IMMENSELY grossed out
kind bobcat
And this
compact olive
Where are the dark creatures anywhere in any art or mutual or constellation or dawn or prarie ?
hexed mist
Sorry everyone I gotta do what I gotta do to survive
kind bobcat
well they gotta fuel the power sources somehow
willow bear
The fact this thing exists
@kind bobcat there is an oob room there. I’ve never been there but is there anything related?
hexed mist
I CAN PRETEND THOUGH
kind bobcat
what other way than making butterfly sludge
compact olive
Wait.. @kind bobcat
hexed mist
I CAN PRETEND
kind bobcat
No, it's not in game, slavanap.
compact olive
How does that factory explain dark creatures ?
kind bobcat
Dark creatures always existed
hexed mist
They were already there
compact olive
Wait...
willow bear
what other way than making butterfly sludge
@kind bobcat it could explain there’s no flies in Sky
merry vapor
hmmm i like to think that dark creatures and light creatures were both peaceful but after the factories, dark creatures probably became aggressive
kind bobcat
And the eden crystal is also a power diamond
A very big one
My personal headcanon is that the king turned eden into a big power plant with that diamond and then it all goes wrong
compact olive
No I mean how do we find out that dark creatures always existed in the world of sky before the finding of dark stones?
kind bobcat
Because it was mentioned both dark and light creatures coexisted and formed an ecosystem.
willow bear
And the eden crystal is also a power diamond
@kind bobcat hmm.. I haven’t been playing Sky back then, but is it somehow related that you could survive in Eden?
compact olive
Where is this mentioned @kind bobcat
kind bobcat
Maybe not.
Somewhere in the canon lore doc
Maybe
Yes
Jeut call it the eden crystal
compact olive
I’m trying to sift through head cannons and actual observations I need to see where that info is from
kind bobcat
Those are fragments
From the diamond
The eden crystal was functioning fine and then it was fractured
Krill and crabs werent produced
compact olive
I have pored over those docs and never found anything that says dark creatures coexisted before elders
compact olive
Can you show me the exact piece that tells you that ?
Picture, developers notes, “piece”
kind bobcat
compact olive
No of the creatures being both light and dark since before elders
kind bobcat
We all agreed the dark creatures existed before the apocalypse
It's the canon lore doc
Confirmed by tgc
compact olive
Yeah I watched that and they never say “creatures of light always existed before elders”
kind bobcat
Eh, maybe i was over-exaggerating and the dark creatures were there before the apocalypse could mean theye existed far before the elders
since the ancestors themselves came before the elders did.
compact olive
Could... but no hard evidence as of yet.
kind bobcat
Welcome to the lore channel.
compact olive
Lmao
kind bobcat
Also, a crash course about dark creatures :
- a majority of us agrees that they were not created by the ancestors
- they suck
- they absorb light
compact olive
Okay but is there like a place... where things could be more... ya know... scientific when it comes to the lore ? I love head cannon, I have my own. And I like hearing other peoples theories. But is there like a... more condensed and agreed upon lexicon ? Of what is observable that is? Not speculation based ?
kind bobcat
Based out of observations?
kind bobcat
compact olive
Evidence that can be Observed
kind bobcat
This indicates the king once existed, everyone agrees with that
kind bobcat
Tomcepts, and personal screenshots
compact olive
Is there a lexicon of these things only?
compact olive
Like a section of stored knowledge
I’ve seen the pins but they seem... like 52 pick up
kind bobcat
Well, the things we base our theories on are the "Canon Lore confirmed by TGC" document
And usually Tom Zhao's concept arts
compact olive
That’s where I started but even they don’t seem to have “everything” that can be observed
kind bobcat
And sometimes we go in-game to check stuff out.
We had an album
Of all lore-related screenshots
but now its gone and it isnt archived by google
We were talking about the eden crystal.
And dark creatures.
hexed mist
Oh shoot what happened to the album???
compact olive
Thanks for all of your help @kind bobcat
kind bobcat
I dunno, last night they said it's gone
compact olive
I really appreciate it
hexed mist
kind bobcat
You're welcome Oz.
hexed mist
It doesn't seem like a whole lot yet
kind bobcat
We've been transcripting a whole lot of vault glyphs and runes though
hexed mist
We don't have a ton of info on it yet, simply because we only have 2 bells worth of memories/ restoration to go off of
compact olive
Not everything needs to be explained
@worldly temple I have a more archeological approach to everything and I’m sorry if that hinders your enjoyment. I promise I’m not trying to spoil the game for you
worldly temple
It was a general statement, not an attack on you dude.
kind bobcat
That's why tgc doesnt give us anything to base our theories on except the canon lore doc
Goodbye Dan.
compact olive
I appreciate the vagueness of the thing. Everyone can make us their own interpretations
I really do understand the importance of that freedom
But I’m a dark web type of “get the reeeeeeal” story kind of person. My enjoyment comes from figuring out puzzles
worldly temple
That's good for you~
hexed mist
I prefer my stuff to be like 75% explained
hexed mist
I don't need to know everything because like... it takes some of the vastness and mystery/ awe out of things. And like... C'mon, unexplained happen all the time. It lets your heart wander to all the possibilities~
Or maybe I'm just a wistful dork
Whichever
compact olive
So this chat is more like a....fan art version of the lore behind sky? Is that like a “close” analogy ?
hexed mist
I'm not sure what you mean
worldly temple
^^^^^
compact olive
I like to think of it as less of a game and more of a story/experience
worldly temple
That's what... video games are XD
compact olive
Games in “video games” implies a game
celest spoke
Well, there’s some indirect minor lore can be mined from emote spirits and their locations, like in vault there’s a path to enlightenment that starts with collaborative groups (telekinesis in library and prayer in... whatever that spiral ramp area is) and results in meditative levitation (which is also the only maingame route to group conversation w/ table)
worldly temple
Omg dude
hexed mist
Yup! I'm of the opinion that this game's theme has a lot of "past generations make mistakes and now we have to help and make things right that were wronged in the past"
hexed mist
That and "self sacrifice"
compact olive
Yeah, but call of duty is a video game and I’d argue it’s a very different experience. Did you mean to lump Sky in as the same experience or were you be sarcastic ?
celest spoke
Or looking at the landscape like why is there a drawbridge in Hidden Forest; were there barges carrying stuff to/from the mine
compact olive
Ping?
celest spoke
I shall now contemplate the Experience of Pong ommmmm
hexed mist
Ping = @ or to mention someone
But this chat is rlly slow rn so there's hardly any need to
compact olive
Understood. I shall not ping you.
hexed mist
In gen chats sometimes it's very necessary
If you want to hold onto any semblance of a conversation
compact olive
So I’m trying to gain a gage for this chat. I was told by a really good friend that this was the place to discover the lore of the game. (Or as much of it that can be gleaned from the player’s side of things)
We have the pins, we have the moderators/managers. Are those experts on the lore “
?
hexed mist
@compact olive So the way that I've found this chat to be, is that we all have theories and discuss them. But we have to be open minded to the knowledge that TGC left a lot of things unexplained and therefore we could be right, wrong, we can use confirmed lore, concepts, and just plain theories and talk about them
OOPS
I'm sorry for the ping
I'm so used to it
compact olive
So it’s... like a free for all.
hexed mist
let me just go flop in the sludge water
celest spoke
There are a bunch of ideas that straddle the border btw “this is completely logical interpolation” and “w00t out on a limb speculation based on this teeny thing”
hexed mist
Some theories are more speculative and others are more founded in things dicovered in game
compact olive
So you speculate over the theory and then find observations that prove or deny the theory’s validation ?
celest spoke
Though branching off from above, I was just thinking “why are those archives on Vault’s Prairie analogue level”, and it seems like a parallel in that they make/store containers (butterfly jars or holocube scrolls) which are given a new application on the next level (diamond press or floating void illusion)?
compact olive
Though branching off from above, I was just thinking “why are those archives on Vault’s Prairie analogue level”, and it seems like a parallel in that they make/store containers (butterfly jars or holocube scrolls) which are given a new application on the next level (diamond press or floating void illusion)?
@celest spoke I used to think (from concept art and the elder mural) that it was meant to “house the spirit” so to speak
celest spoke
Garnering lore from unused concepts can be tricky, like does Forest Aunt Teth?) still resemble a kitsune
compact olive
This is where I get confused.
lethal stump
concept art in general is funky. a general rule of thumb is checking
1 how old the concept is
2 if anything in it made it into the game
3 has it been confirmed to be in/not in the game by the devs
however even then...we still use some old concepts time to time (like the elder names)
compact olive
On WHEN exactly it’s appropriate to use the concept art as evidence
sly kestrel
Almost never
lethal stump
if it’s a headcanon, who cares
if you’re presenting an actual theory, refrain
lethal stump
like i have that funky lucifer headcanon. is it a theory ? no, it’s just something i think is cool
compact olive
But then you can’t really ever move forward can you?
Wouldn’t it just always be head canons
lethal stump
yeah that’s the problem, without concepts there’s not much to go off of
sly kestrel
We won’t move forward until they want us to
There’s no full story yet and tgc wants us to make the story with our imagination and our theories
That’s what this chat is for
To discuss ur headcanons are ur theories
Not to discuss and figure out a hidden story thats planned and written out in the lore
compact olive
So we just listen to possibilities from anyone forever until the devs say otherwise ?
lethal stump
basically yes
sly kestrel
For now u look at what’s given and form ur story
compact olive
Hmmm... 🤔
sly kestrel
No doubt they will prolly put more lore out there thats concrete and canon as the game develops
But for now, there’s rlly not much
lethal stump
i await that day...