#lore-discussion-spoilers
floral iron
simple hare
even if i don't get some things
lethal stump
we’ve converted another 
simple hare
oh- my message be like pOOf ig i said something that the skyserver doesn't like
short owl
Don't feel stupid NiKu, the theory is a spiraled out of control crack theory. It probably requires some tangents to follow...
simple hare
is there actually a yt vid or a text that explains everything thats connected with the theory bc my brain is like
lethal stump
this theory was made yesterday
simple hare
oh holy
okay thats
oh
Don't feel stupid NiKu, the theory is a spiraled out of control crack theory. It probably requires some tangents to follow...
@short owl
its still interesting 
short owl
It's all in this chat... Somewhere
simple hare
can you giv me the message where it started
short owl
But I can answer questions now if you'd rather. Just expext slows
lethal stump
simple hare
thank u
short owl
You were much better than me at finding that
lethal stump
the power of search bar
short owl
I was usinf that
lethal stump
« user: Null No More Mind Control! chat: lore-discussion-spoilers during: 20-07-2020 »
short owl
ah. I was trying to key word search
hushed steeple
What did i miss
short owl
Introducing lore moth to the mind control theory
Should probably give them lore doc too
lethal stump
yeah, it’s in the pins
hushed steeple
So many pins
short owl
The pins are a bit disorganized. Maybe we need a master pin which organizes things
lethal stump
hushed steeple
I can't find the lore doc 
short owl
3rd pin
lethal stump
hushed steeple
So much text
mortal viper
i go on a wl run, when i come back there are 100+ messages
hushed steeple
Y'all have anything else to do than lore?
lethal stump
no
hushed steeple
Damn, that's sad
lethal stump
ive literally been talking on this chat all day
mortal viper
I am drawing the king so
lethal stump
hushed steeple
Lore veteran right there@lethal stump
mortal viper
I'll send here when I am done
lethal stump
ive been here like.............two weeks
mortal viper
@lethal stump good to know. I want a summary of what happened
lethal stump
wdym ?
mortal viper
ive literally been talking on this chat all day
@lethal stump this
mortal viper
any new theories?
lethal stump
nah it’s mostly been Null and I talking about the mind control theory
simple hare
so i red a bit of the theory stuff and i slowly get it
question: is megabirb still alive? is that known?
short owl
We see it at the end so... I think so
lethal stump
can you kill god ?
short owl
I can try
lethal stump
simple hare
well thats some really interestinf question
you can answer to that question with both, yes and no. the important part is which role god plays in your eyes
short owl
Where was it determined that Alef was hated btw?
simple hare
bruh it got deleted imma cri
short owl
If you don't know what is setting off the bot delete, maybe ask a modm
lethal stump
skybot is ruthless 
short owl
They can see messages and let you know what bork it.
simple hare
if they're just a creator but still a, well, living being(yk what i mean?) then probably yes
but if god is like the universe, has no end and is just not understandable for us, then not.
lethal stump
megabird has no gender 
simple hare
if the world needs a god to keep going, if they're the thing that makes us breathe and exist that won't be possible
whoop
where i live we have to label a god ahsjaj sorry
short owl
An alternative: if Megabirb god is connections, you can create different connections and replace old god
lethal stump
it’s ok
short owl
Relationship ended with megabird. MegaKrill is my new best friend
simple hare
An alternative: if Megabirb god is connections, you can create different connections and replace old god
@short owl
but replace with what?
steep coyote
can you kill god ?
@lethal stump
Intoner Zero want to ask you something
lethal stump
who ?
lethal stump
the only game i play is sky
steep coyote
Oh sorry Hahaha
simple hare
ig this channel will be my second home in future because its hella interesting here even if i'm still a brown caped cake head newbie here 
why is the name of megabird megabird?
short owl
Cause it's big, a bird, and supposedly made of many many light beings
Potentially a collective consciousness
lyric isle
still a brown cape over here
short owl
... Which... Would suggest mass telepathy at minimum... And GUYS THE MIND CONTROL THEORY NEEDS TO LOOK LESS VIABLE SOMEHOW
lethal stump
simple hare
sbhasv
lethal stump
so the elders were literally detached from megabird ? so MB didn’t know what they were doing at all ?
simple hare
oh and thanks for being nice veterans and takin the mothy me around
so the elders were literally detached from megabird ? so MB didn’t know what they were doing at all ?
@lethal stump
in the cutscene it says they just fell. if megabirb is the narrator they probably didn't knew what was going on
lethal stump
wouldnt MB at least know that they’d been cast out ?
eager vapor
What cutscene?
simple hare
maybe they're a lazy god
lethal stump
opening cutscene
simple hare
sneepin all day
eager vapor
I see
short owl
I believe an official source said it' isle elder
eager vapor
I haven’t heard a voice on isle cutscene, only singing
simple hare
but wait
megabirb is a god, right? so in the country where i live god is seen as our 'father' (labeling, again)(not sure if its like that in other countries too).means that we are gods 'children'. if we connect that to sky, the narrator could be megabirb because they're a god and calls us out as their children.
short owl
Uuuuh hold on I didn't actually pay that close attention. It was posted shortly before I said isle elder was already lost (the first time)
lethal stump
really ? i didn’t see that
short owl
Looking for it. Phone has limited search tools
simple hare
got a question, again, but not connected to any theory. do you guys think that the cape is a part of the skykid? like some kind of body part that's important for their lifes? or just a cape out of light?
lethal stump
it’s made out of light iirc
that’s why we can endlessly change them
lethal stump
no, thats our heart/candle
simple hare
or is it just to weeee around
okie
then imma head back to ingame still have to candle run some maps
short owl
I cannot find it, sorry
lethal stump
oof
the two theories that make the most sense are
king is the narrator
and megan is the narrator
MEGAN
HECK
MEGABIRD
short owl
Who is Megan?
lethal stump
I MEANT MEGABIRD
short owl
For the next 24 hours, Megabird is Megan
woven tundra
megan 
sly kestrel
yes
short owl
Anywho... What if Alef was the one who broke Megan's control by collecting energy and stashing it in places of memorable importance?
Or just collecting it and trying to contain it, causing him to feel too unstable to be around others.
hushed steeple
Did i miss anything
short owl
When Eden corrupted, he may have made the journey in himself to try to correct the crystal, but for all his energy, he still wasn't strong enough, and 63 physical imprints were left behind.
@hushed steeple not really...megabird is Megan for 24 hours though
lethal stump
what about all the WL ?
short owl
Was getting there
lethal stump
no theyre Megan forever
hushed steeple
👀
short owl
As they tried to restore the crystal, they lost light (as we do), and the memories that he had as he had crammed that light inside him.
lethal stump
they as in alef ?
mellow sable
I know for a fact SOMEONE stuffed the CoL in the Eden diamond
lethal stump
this implies he consumed excess light though
short owl
After 63 harsh failures, Alef begged for help from the one being that they never wanted to contact again, and ultimately surrendered, but not without a trick up his sleeve. He may be lost, and his memories destroyed, but whoever megabird sent to help would be free
mellow sable
the cutscene before the ascent takes place in the diamond
short owl
@lethal stump indeed it does. Perhaps on purpose from the other elders.
hushed steeple
What did I just miss?
mellow sable
our skykid merges with the CoL(?) and we ascend
I also believe that canonically there's only ONE skykid
lethal stump
i like your theory null
hushed steeple
I see more king propagand
lethal stump
same Raf
hushed steeple
But what is it about this time?
mellow sable
it wouldn't make sense if there were canonically multiple skykids
normal berry
how so?
mellow sable
only OUR skykid can restore the light
lethal stump
exactly
mellow sable
only one skykid can appear in elder cutscenes
short owl
The only child in the elder lineup is the prince
lethal stump
do you mean ascended ?
short owl
We were made very similar to him as well. Notibly with more darkness than a normal child of light. (This may have been a trick by the Prince to keep us out of Megan's control)
mellow sable
the prince doesn't exist in the current lore of sky
only the king
iirc ash said so
also, king=eden elder="can't be saved anymore"
so that debunks the "the king is the CoL" theory
because we DO save the CoL
normal berry
so who's the CoL
mellow sable
the thing we see in the Eden diamond and the intro cutscene
all the realm constellations were linked to it
normal berry
personally i thought the one at the eden cutscene was yourself
as their height changes based on your own height
mellow sable
I personally believe that, while there is only ONE child of light
short owl
What did ash say? I know the prince is not an elder we can save
mellow sable
there's multiple fragments of it
seeing as the Eden diamond is shattered
one of the fragments was combined with a wax body and given life
and that's us
normal berry
tbh the reason i dont really agree with the there is only one cannon player thing is cause its just so lonely
normal berry
especially for a game that focuses on help and others, otherwise it would just be Journey all over again
mellow sable
again
that's the point
you get help from other players but ultimately, only YOU can restore the statues
short owl
One of us, who has found a way to force ourselves to break out of mind control, lost everything we worked so hard for because of one mistake, and is being forced to see that again and again
mellow sable
?????
normal berry
ah yes the mind control theory
mellow sable
mind control???
short owl
We live again and again through the same events
mellow sable
no but see
lethal stump
this assumes the existence of the prince—
short owl
The timeline is wrong for us to go backwards, unless we lose our point in time as well
mellow sable
the game outright states you're being reborn
lethal stump
that’s not what Null is referring to i think
short owl
Though we may well be reborn back to the moment of Alef's surrender to Megan's control (when he lost all hope of calming Eden himself), just to add insult to injury.
mellow sable
short owl
Alef is the prince. Right?
mellow sable
there is no prince
short owl
I'm not doin a name flip?
mellow sable
the prince was a character purely in concept art for sky
he has no current lore affiliation
lethal stump
ocean ivy
We kinda discuss like
Lore mentioned from all different concepts of sky.
So yea that was the name of the prince when he was around I’m p sure.
mellow sable
but hmm
ocean ivy
They were all absurdly specific gender neutral names
mellow sable
the king isn't "there like the rest of them"
lethal stump
cause the king is us—
mellow sable
the only other beings in sky that we know of are the imprints and us
but skykids aren't related to the elders
lethal stump
physically no
soul wise...maybe
mellow sable
our "soul" is a star
lethal stump
but the stars are elders, so that immediately makes our soul an elder 
mellow sable
by star I mean a winged light
ocean ivy
We are all NFC chips
(Ba dum tss)
mellow sable
when we lose all of them we die
lethal stump
but we still have our soul
ocean ivy
Well- “”””””die””””””
We need to be kid friendly here
lethal stump
we still exist without the WL
ocean ivy
mellow sable
without ANY WL the skykids turn into lifeless husks
lethal stump
what’s the blue thing when we shatter then ?
mellow sable
yeah see like
there's the wl we collect and the one we start with
I dunno if that's a gameplay or lore thing
mellow sable
I prefer to think it's a gameplay thing
ocean ivy
When you start you got no wings
lethal stump
no you don’t
you have a soul and a body
thats it
ocean ivy
That’s the character
We are falling
It’s either a story telling thing, we the player descend to the ground, or a soul and then some possess a husk it found
mellow sable
also, skykids and sprits are the same blue balls of light when they die
curious
and they both turn into weird husk things
lethal stump
blue seems to equate with death
lethal stump
it’s also part of the darkstone concepts, representing corruption and isolation
mellow sable
the carry spirits are yellow but that's a gameplay thing I think
ocean ivy
Elders are a kinda exception as blue is a color pallet it seems
But in old, old tomcepts they were on the blue power scale because of that old lore
short owl
The first wl we get is locked inside us. There is no escape for them, unlike the wl we collect which rests in a cape and can be knocked out.
mellow sable
but also a weird observation I've made
The first wl we get is locked inside us. There is no escape for them, unlike the wl we collect which rests in a cape and can be knocked out.
this
short owl
It can't help us fly because it is trapped
ocean ivy
Orange spirits being carried specifically and exclusively are for seasonal spirits and that’s just game logic
Spirits become yellow when we give them star candles, presumably maybe allowing them to properly ascend
lethal stump
but where does it come from ?
short owl
But in trapping it, we also kinda free it since it is drained enough that Megan can't manipulate it.
mellow sable
spirits start as blue but become yellow
perhaps they're blue because they haven't truly been "freed" from the darkness?
and by giving them AC, we allow them to fully return
lethal stump
return to the control of megabird
hushed steeple
Imma sleep soon I'll miss so much
mellow sable
I've noticed yellow spirits give more wax than blue spirits in orbit too
at least I think they do
lethal stump
they all give 4 don’t they ?
mellow sable
iirc yellow give 6 or something
again, this is a personal assumption from what I've noticed
orchid crypt
The first wl we get is locked inside us
the first winged light we ever pick up never actually reappears at the same spot in-game: you can see it at 3:50 here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dNShWJ0jiY&t=230s
normal berry
wonder why there are random candles sitting around the landscape?
orchid crypt
functionally speaking, i think the orbit and pity stars fulfil the same role
ocean ivy
That’s probably just game mechanic more than lore
normal berry
Imagine loosing a wing
orchid crypt
prior to picking up that star though, the capeless sky kid technically has no winged light
it's the same state as what you are in orbit before you pick up any wing buffs
lethal stump
all we have is...light
orchid crypt
it's just that the sky kid hasn't been extinguished
normal berry
megabird?
normal berry
theres no way to confim if canon but thats my best assumption
orchid crypt
i don't really have an answer for the creation of the sky kid, but in terms of what we've seen from gameplay...there's a chance that the sky kid's been reincarnating for far longer than what we've played
normal berry
or the scattered remains of the king took its own form
lethal stump
wouldn’t we have blue eyes then, Ri ?
ocean ivy
Or some random lightless body was found in the isle and they just took that 
lethal stump
there had to be some meddling from Megan for us to have any semblance of light
sinful anvil
does it make sense that our hands can go through our capes? sometimes there’s a glitch that skykid’s hand can go through the cape
normal berry
wouldn’t we have blue eyes then, Ri ?
@lethal stump i mean whos to say we had to look the same
lethal stump
i think that’s just graphics, palechild
orchid crypt
if the cape isn't fully solid, perhaps
normal berry
also if you wear enchantment masks your eyes glow blue
mellow sable
all the cosmetics are solid light
hushed steeple
how were we created in the first place?
@mellow sable
According to my theory, sky kids were created for the sole purpose of trying to save the eye of Eden, but when too many fell, we were then tasked to save our fallen brethren and also help the spirits and elders along
lethal stump
Yellow = light
Blue = darkness
if we were just the king in a different body we’d have blue eyes since he’s « darkness »
mellow sable
how else would a dead guy give us an ikea table
lethal stump
i k e a t a b l e
normal berry
but my theory is his soul was destroyed and shattered, but were eventually reincarnated into the skykid race. a sort of redemption for him, if you will
lethal stump
i see it as a punishment ngl
Megan trapped alone the elders in their own outside-of-spacetime cells, but the king being the « worst » of them has to die over and over again for less and less reward every time
hushed steeple
But from what we see, in Eden itself and plenty of art, the king isn't a good guy.
I'm sorry Brick, but I just can't see him as being the good guy
lethal stump
hushed steeple
I think he is a human
normal berry
why? you are granting mercy to the ones affected by the eden explosion. considering if we are the incarnate of the king, that would be fixing your mistakes
hushed steeple
Which is why he turned evil and corrupted
orchid crypt
is "megan" the megabird, or did i miss some lore in the last few days?
short owl
Could still be a prison... But perhaps one that was tampered with to grant more freedom than expected
normal berry
Which is why he turned evil and corrupted
@hushed steeple thats from the concepts, we dont know the current canon story of the king
short owl
Yeah... I was gonna just do that for 24 hours but apparently this is gonna be forever now
normal berry
and you call that hulking mass a human?
hushed steeple
@hushed steeple thats from the concepts, we dont know the current canon story of the king
@normal berry
Yes, but from everything we do see, the king isn't a good person
lethal stump
we know almost nothing from the canon
until the devs give us more, there’s nothing else we can go off than the concepts n bit of canon
short owl
Blame brick if it gets confusing
hushed steeple
And I have a hard time seeing him as trying to save anything since the other spirits mourn something
lethal stump
wh
you started the mind control theory >:0
hushed steeple
While we see statues of him as if he sought others to worship him
short owl
YOU MADE MEGABIRD NAMED MEGAN
lethal stump
THAT WAS AUTOCORRECT
normal berry
And I have a hard time seeing him as trying to save anything since the other spirits mourn something
@hushed steeple What i meant was, he was destroyed and reincarnated like a "you broke it now you fix it" sort of way
hushed steeple
Brick is tricking us all!!
hidden dagger
Prince and King mask when
hushed steeple
||Obviously YOU are the king and trying to make us love you ||
||Mr. Brick or should I say KING||
normal berry
its too easy to make an antagonist the big bad guy
lethal stump
im not the KING
hidden dagger
Mr. Brick or should I say KING
@hushed steeple SPOILER THAT OR ERASE IT, NO ONE CANT KNOW THIS
normal berry
why not a grey character instead?
hushed steeple
How do you spoiler?
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hidden dagger
I was just joking around lol
hushed steeple
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE KING WPULF SAY TO TRICK US!!
mellow sable
the king is actually the mantanapper in prairie
lethal stump
just
gonna
slip away.............
normal berry
I believe he was caught too up in himself, and didn't realize the consequences of using the very heavens as a power source
mellow sable
he steals skykids to chuck into eden
hidden dagger
I KNOW WHO THE NARRATOR IS
normal berry
AND HE'S DEAD
hushed steeple
@lethal stump trying to hide now that I found you out!!
hidden dagger
||ITS SKYBOT||
hushed steeple
I HAVE FINALLT BEEN FREED FROM YOUR MIND CONTROL!!
orchid crypt
yeah, i'm wondering if the king being too caught up with an idea rather than being downright evil might be closer to the truth in some ways
hidden dagger
What if Skybot was the king all along?
lethal stump
that’s what we were referencing with the mind control, Raf
orchid crypt
i'm toying with the idea of an obsession with power diamonds being born of a way to store and harness light, due to the darkness somehow making them fall from the sky/stars
mellow sable
and in his attempt to gain even more power, he took the child of light and trapped it in a diamond
mellow sable
I still don't get that line
hushed steeple
This is my latest theory.
What if the Elders are the constellations themselves, their jod is to watch over humanity and help those who need to be reborn.
But like always, humans become corrupted, bringing darkness to the lands of light. Concerned they decide to fall to the human world and create their own lands, in an effor to help the humans harness the light again and banish the darkness from the lands. They help them build technology and so on, while at the same time creating the things they themselves could not. Like the Eye of Eden, a source of infinite power.
Only this will backfire on them, humans will become more and more greedy, seeking more and more, corrupted they will start a war against the elders, taking their light as they go through each zone, only when they reach the eye the corruption from them themselves and the light from the elders will cause the eye to explode causing the storm.
Knowing what will happen, the apocalypse, the elders took the few humans who still followed them and used what was left of their powers to push pieces of their land into the sky, away from the corruption that will take over the rest.
Sky children were then born of the light, with their only mission being to try to save the eye and with it stop the storm, only non of them succeeded and so, their new mission became to save the spirits of the followers, bring hope back to the elders and return them back home and save the kids who were lost in a futile effort to save what cannot be saved.
mellow sable
"but darkness came, and the stars fell"
hushed steeple
That's my theory and how I see the stars fell line
normal berry
Perhaps the darkness was the elders own foolishness?
mellow sable
"if only they had listened.."
normal berry
that line has me leaning towards the idea that the elders were egotistical and dumb, but not essentially evil
lethal stump
oOoo
lethal stump
what ?
mellow sable
what if the intro is actually happening during the vault cutscene?
chronologically I mean
lethal stump
wdym ?
mellow sable
the story is being recounted by the vault elder to the skykids
hushed steeple
That doesn't make sense, since we would never make that connection ourselves
Unless you're in this insane conspiracy server
mellow sable
which is why we then see all of the elders
lethal stump
none of this would make sense without the conspiracy chat
mellow sable
ikr
normal berry
this IS a conspiracy chat
hushed steeple
Yes it is
mellow sable
wear your tin foil hats people to keep away the megan mind control
lethal stump
im jealous of journey lore detectives who get plenty of descriptive murals 😠
hushed steeple
That's why I wear a tinfoil hat
normal berry
hhhhhhhhh
hushed steeple
A BLUE one!!
normal berry
tin foil is silver
hushed steeple
That's the point, the new anniversary hat
lethal stump
hold on i have a meme idea
hushed steeple
It isn't enough
mellow sable
exactly
hushed steeple
But let us HOPE that we'll get more in the future
hushed steeple
More than many, we don't know anything
mellow sable
why is it connected to the elders????
hushed steeple
And on top of that the world itself has been changed several times
normal berry
They intended that most of the lore is up to interpretation, so we might not get much more
hushed steeple
Yeah, but even then there just isn't enough to go off of
mellow sable
we do know the king DOES exist
hushed steeple
The murals are sometimes extremely hard to understand
mellow sable
and he DOES have plot relevancy
normal berry
did
mellow sable
normal berry
thats big talk for someone who is a fragment of the king's soul
lethal stump
we all are u hypocrite /joke
mellow sable
megan secretly wants to yeet the king out of us
lethal stump
thank you
hushed steeple
You've fallen into Bricks trap!! He has you ensnared in his clutches
You've taken yet another soul King!!
lethal stump
;/
lethal stump
im not the king
hushed steeple
He is not!!
short owl
What if Alef understood that connection makes light stronger, and became corrupted himself due to him forcing himself to reject all connections, and then when he saw the Eden Diamond he managed to corrupt it by trying to expell the light into the diamond?
normal berry
he got yeeted into a million pieces when the diamond blew up
sly kestrel
im not the king
@lethal stump yes you are
normal berry
there is no king in ba sing se
short owl
He just wanted to relieve himself so he could make friends like all the others
lethal stump
why do you guys think i’m the king
cold steppe
it's in your name
normal berry
"the eden elder isnt around to be saved anymore"
mellow sable
the king ate megan's pop tarts and now it wants revenge
cold steppe
the only thing we kind of know for sure is that the king exists, as does the eden elder
cold steppe
who knows
normal berry
i think we can assume they are the same
sly kestrel
“The power diamonds are related to the downfall of the civilization” I do kno that, and most likely the king was involved
cold steppe
it would make sense for them to be the same
hushed steeple
That's why I think the king sought more power
Stole it from the elders and then caused the storm
sly kestrel
Not jus him tho, I think the elders helped him
mellow sable
the king sought a way to return to the sky
cold steppe
it might also make sense for king = eden elder = child of light
I definitely think the elders helped
why else would they fall?
sly kestrel
Like how forest elder is the one who started the diamond production
hushed steeple
I think the elders thought him how to harness light
And then he used it for the wrong reasons
mellow sable
oh yeah def
normal berry
so if king = eden elder, and eden elder = not around to be saved anymore, then its not too outlandish for me to guess he's long gone
lethal stump
yeah
i don’t think the king is smart enough to do it himself
mellow sable
prairie and isle grandpa create butterflies and birds from light respectively
cold steppe
"they didn't listen" could mean that they tried to harness some higher light, failed, were thrown out, then tried again
lethal stump
hes in us—
hes the dark part of us, and we save the light part
sly kestrel
Now that’s new
hushed steeple
"they didn't listen" could mean that they tried to harness some higher light, failed, were thrown out, then tried again
@cold steppe
I think it refers to the humans, "darkness came and then they fell", my interpretation is that the elders fell to save the humans from the darkness
lethal stump
imo they might represent the 7 deadly sins, but that’s a bit of a crack theory
mellow sable
the elders can't return to orbit unless their constellation is fully restored, their ties born anew
cold steppe
it would be so helpful to figure out what exactly TGC meant by "fall"
sly kestrel
No, their constellation doesn’t matter to them being saved
We save em no matter what, we jus have to reconnect them with the light
cold steppe
it could mean go from a high place to a low place
it could also be a reference to the Garden of Eden story
normal berry
imo they might represent the 7 deadly sins, but that’s a bit of a crack theory
@lethal stump tbh 7 is a very common number in religion so its not too surprising that they made 7 realms
mellow sable
no see
hushed steeple
I see it like angles
cold steppe
the fall of man (sin)
sly kestrel
no see
@mellow sable no se?
hushed steeple
Angels**
mellow sable
the elders don't return to orbit after their cutscene
lethal stump
@lethal stump tbh 7 is a very common number in religion so its not too surprising that they made 7 realms
@normal berry yeah, but it gives me big SDS vibes
mellow sable
7 is also usually seen as a holy number
hushed steeple
Angels are meant to love all humans, but they shouldn't interfere with them, if they begin to form attachments to humans, that is when they fall
mellow sable
777 is the number of god or whatever
cold steppe
cries in lack of lore
hushed steeple
I know how you feel
mellow sable
I'm def getting Christian vibes from the sky story
sly kestrel
Another thing
They didn’t hesitate to build their kingdoms when they fell, they immediately decided to build their civilization with the ppl
cold steppe
a lot would make more sense if we knew more about "fall"
hushed steeple
But I will die on my hill and theory
sly kestrel
I’m hesitant to call em humans
hushed steeple
Well, they aren't humans
normal berry
ancestors?
cold steppe
Eden gives me vibes of the Judeo-Christian fall of man, which was sin
in that case, one third of the angels fell because they followed Lucifer who was rebelling against God
sly kestrel
Oh yeah I keep forgetting that word
sly kestrel
Well, they based it off of multiple religions so...
lethal stump
the king is lucifer
normal berry
lol he bit into a diamond
lethal stump
sky is hell
cold steppe
Jay identified the problem
mellow sable
WHAT IF EDEN WAS PART OF ORBIT BUT THEN MEGAN YEETED IT DOWN INTO THE SKY KINGDOM
cold steppe
since Sky was inspired by so many different religions, it's almost impossible to figure out which one was the inspiration for specific parts
or if they were all smashed together for Sky
lethal stump
eden shows up in all abrahamic religions i think
cold steppe
either option is cool, but so confusing
sly kestrel
Well there’s a theory that this is like the story of eden and the king is eating the forbidden fruit
normal berry
its kinda its own religion at this point
sly kestrel
since Sky was inspired by so many different religions, it's almost impossible to figure out which one was the inspiration for specific parts
@cold steppe ye
mellow sable
seriously though, we see in the intro that Eden is in the clouds
lethal stump
maybe the light is the forbidden fruit
mellow sable
all the other realms are below the clouds
sly kestrel
..no
cold steppe
fun fact: the forbidden fruit was from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil
sly kestrel
Eden was something built when they fell
cold steppe
in the Biblical story
mellow sable
by clouds I mean the clouds that later became the storm
normal berry
all of the realms are in the clouds i believe
lethal stump
just different levels
cold steppe
it's interesting that memories (like from Sanctuary) are contained in balls of light
mellow sable
isle is on an unnamed seashore
hushed steeple
Yeah, Eden was built when the elders fell
And darkness had already come to the land
normal berry
"Together, the fallen stars made a new home in the clouds." this prolly refers to the sky kingdom as a whole
hushed steeple
Which would mean that the ancestors became corrupt by something
cold steppe
sounds like the elders became corrupt
mellow sable
we know that the elders originally RETURNED the fallen light to megan
hushed steeple
lethal stump
they did, raf ?
cold steppe
if we're going by "then darkness came, and the stars fell"
stars are the elders
hushed steeple
But the elders fell after darkness came
Which wouldn't make sense for them to be corrupted
sly kestrel
We gonna keep calling the megabird megan now huh 😂
cold steppe
lol
hushed steeple
Or remorseful when we meet them
mellow sable
but later on they used it to create life, and afterwards war machines and power sources
cold steppe
it would make sense that they were corrupted by the darkness which is why they fell
a la the Garden of Eden/fall of Lucifer
lethal stump
i thought that they either stole the light or were given it
hushed steeple
Well I've a question about those stars in isle mural
But it still doesn't make sense, since it doesn't say where the darkness came
cold steppe
idk though. my interpretation is 90% Judeo-Christian
lethal stump
how would you get darkness in heaven
hushed steeple
Exactly
sly kestrel
They could’ve been corrupted during the time when they were thriving in the clouds with their civilization, plus, the narrator did say “if only they had listened” Smoll Ant#2676
Oops my bad for pinging
hushed steeple
Oh it's fine
short owl
@lethal stump it may have always been there. Ignoring problems in your society is not unique to megans.
mellow sable
look, if something has a giant spotlight and makes clanking and whirring sounds I'll assume it's not biological
hushed steeple
So it doesn't make sense that they fell from corruption
lethal stump
at most, they were having anti-megan thoughts and one of them said something and were cast out and fell
cold steppe
I think the debate is about the exact definition of (1) darkness and (2) fell
normal berry
its confirmed that all creatures in sky are natural
cold steppe
there's so many possible interpretations
lethal stump
yes it is
lethal stump
i feel like an historian debating over the translations in a tome
hushed steeple
||NYOOOOOMM||
cold steppe
oh, I wasn't saying that it started in Megan
I was thinking that it started with the elders
and then megan threw them out
sly kestrel
Ok imma whip out the intro so we won’t get confused
But darkness came, and the stars fell...
Together, the fallen stars made a new home in the clouds.
If only they had listened...
A long time has passed. Now, I call to you.
Wake up, child. Bring our lost stars home.```why do crabs like, exist either
cold steppe
bless Jay
hushed steeple
Yes, but the elders were in Megan
mellow sable
hmm
cold steppe
were they?
lethal stump
in megan ?
mellow sable
"a long time has passed"
sly kestrel
It says that they fell after darkness came
hushed steeple
Well, where else would they be?
lethal stump
in orbit ?
normal berry
megabird is the embodiment of light, no? so it wouldn't make sense to corrupt it
hushed steeple
Darkness came in orbit?
hushed steeple
Unless we flow some WoW based lore of them living in different universes
Orbit is where Megan is
lethal stump
yes but not in her
hushed steeple
And we don't know if Megan isn't orbit of not
mellow sable
but orbit≠megan
cold steppe
I could be totally off, but my interpretation was that the elders were connected to Megan but physically in orbit
if that makes sense
hushed steeple
At least I don't
normal berry
nah i think that makes sense
lethal stump
that makes sense wren
cold steppe
also I had a theory a few months ago of Megan being the portal from orbit
as in you go into Megan when you go into the portal
lethal stump
and then they severed the ties when they fell, on purpose or on accident
cold steppe
but orbit itself isn't Megan
it's a somewhat flimsy theory based on the constellation of what could be Megan, but let me link it real quick
sly kestrel
But I am a bit suspicious how it jus came outta nowhere, causing them to fall and it they suspiciously thrived in the clouds right after they fell, and lived with the ancestors
One of my theories is that the intro isn’t telling us the full details, it goes around the fact that maybe darkness came because the elders fell. And maybe they didn’t fall, maybe they intentionally left their home to thrive with their kingdom on the clouds
hushed steeple
We also have to bring them home
Does this means getting all the ultimate rewards to take them in orbit?
cold steppe
yeah, it could be a literal fall, as in going from a higher place to a lower place
mellow sable
the narrator is definitely unreliable
lethal stump
all narrators are
cold steppe
My (months old) megabird theory
https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/669389887623135234
lethal stump
have this crack theory based on unreliable narrator
sly kestrel
Eggsactly
And a lot of games “first intros” are false history and we later get the real one after a lot of progression in the game
lethal stump
we need more LORE
hushed steeple
But if they are connected to Megan and live in orbit, then they couldn't be corrupted surrounded by so much light
mellow sable
what if we're being misled?
lethal stump
more murals pls
hushed steeple
And if we look at it, Megan doesn't seem to be sentient
hushed steeple
It is just pure light
lethal stump
@hushed steeple you cannot have light without darkness
mellow sable
misled to believe that the elders fell because of darkness, and not the other way around
cold steppe
could definitely be that
hushed steeple
@hushed steeple you cannot have light without darkness
@lethal stump
I don't disagree with that at all
mellow sable
we know too little about the narrator to know if they're reliable or not
sly kestrel
misled to believe that the elders fell because of darkness, and not the other way around
@mellow sable u got the other way around saying that, the intro states they fell bc darkness came, the theory is that the elders leaving is what caused the darkness to come
mellow sable
yeah exactly
cold steppe
in the Judeo-Christian theology (though probably admittedly more Christian theology than Judaism), Lucifer/Satan was the highest angel of all, yet he wanted to be God, and so he led a rebellion against God with 1/3 of the angels and was thrown out for that reason
the darkness is more symbolic than anything, but this might be an example of "darkness" existing even in the presence of "light"
mellow sable
elders fell and THEY caused the darkness to spread
sly kestrel
After all, if their light is infinite when they are together with the dude in the middle, wouldn’t it make sense if they left darkness would come
lethal stump
and in this, The King is lucifer
hushed steeple
If the elders fell, that would mean something caused them to fall
cold steppe
or their actions caused them to fall
whether it's being physically thrown out or something else
mellow sable
or maybe they left of their own accord
lethal stump
and if the king and the elders are 1/3 of the angels
are there 14 other elders ?
sly kestrel
I still think they didn’t fall
hushed steeple
They could have also willingly fell
Choosing to help the ancestors
They kicked out
mellow sable
ancestors
sly kestrel
That’s my theory
hushed steeple
🦵
sly kestrel
And not help, but to maybe thrive and have them worship them
hushed steeple
Not realising they were causing corruption to spread
sly kestrel
“Hey, this place is getting boring, wanna go to the ground and have humans worship us 😎”
mellow sable
forest elder wanted power
lethal stump
SDS time
cold steppe
they realized it didn't actually fulfill them
hushed steeple
In poor state
mellow sable
“Hey, this place is getting boring, wanna go to the ground and have humans worship us 😎”
@sly kestrel yes exactly
hushed steeple
And look miserable
lethal stump
because they’ve been isolated for an unknown period of time ?
which, judging by the decay we see, could be thousands of years
mellow sable
vault elder wanted to share his knowledge with others
hushed steeple
I don't think that's it
mellow sable
wasteland, prairie and isle I'm not really sure about
cold steppe
also think about it with children, for example
you tell them they can't have sugar. they're angry, then they plot to steal the giant bucket of candy they have
you step outside for a second and then they steal all of it and eat it
they're very remorseful afterward
normal berry
But why so remorseful afterwards
@hushed steeple because they weren't really evil just foolish, they didn't realize the consequence of their actions till it was too late
cold steppe
terrible example though
hushed steeple
Especially if we go with the theory they weren't around each other when they were in orbit
sly kestrel
In orbit they were
lethal stump
they were, the devs confirmed it
mellow sable
yeah
cold steppe
yeah, devs confirmed that they were in orbit together and knew each other before the "Fall"
mellow sable
they really just told megan "we're gonna get some milk" and left
hushed steeple
But knew each other and interacted with each other are two different things
What if they fell because they were lonely
sly kestrel
If ur telling a dark history to a tiny kid that knows nothing, would u tell the kid the full details?
mellow sable
and also, it seems the elders are very interconnected
lethal stump
megan: can y’all get some groceries
elders: aight * leave *
- a hundred years later -
megan:
megan: i don’t think they’re getting groceries
normal berry
nah, they're basically power hungry infants
hushed steeple
I don't think that's what they are
cold steppe
"The 6 falling stars in the intro were the elders, they also knew each other from before they fell
The elders were always elders and know each other from before they fell, and sky kids will not grow up to be elders"
from the canon doc
mellow sable
isle and praire gave light to forest, she gave the diamonds to everyone
cold steppe
it sounds like there was a thriving trade between the realms
or at least a production line
cold steppe
also, think about the difference between us and the size of the elders
mellow sable
there's also a diamond press in wasteland
hushed steeple
If they were power hungry why would they help the ancestors
mellow sable
oh
cold steppe
what takes us a long time and looks like such a large distance could be nothing to the elders
hushed steeple
Why would they help them thrive?
hushed steeple
It doesn't make sense that they help the ancestors
sly kestrel
Me wondering whether I should rely on concepts to create a story
cold steppe
at the very least, it will be interesting, Jay
lethal stump
oop
short owl
@sly kestrel not only yes but tag me when you do
lethal stump
They don’t seem to help them, Smoll. Just use them as expendable workers
mellow sable
the krill either came out of the diamond press or somehow arrived there
cold steppe
I wonder if TGC also considered Greek mythology
hushed steeple
But we don't know that
Well guys kinda off topic
But what made the time of each realm fixed? (asking again as I didn't get a clear answer before)
That's the thing
We don't know if they used the ancestors or not
cold steppe
it's a bit of a stretch, but think about the story of Zeus and Prometheus, for example
hushed steeple
All the ancestors look happy
sinful anvil
the funny things you go realm to realm without portals
cold steppe
Prometheus wanted to help the humans but the gods didn't, and Prometheus was punished severely for helping the humans
short owl
I'm not sure they were expendable
mellow sable
oop, gotta sneep
sinful anvil
for eg we know how we can go from valley stadium through the clouds to wasteland social space
mellow sable
night
cold steppe
night Raf
lethal stump
Home is the eden elder, our, room removed from spacetime like the other elders imo
mellow sable
lethal stump
GN raf !
sly kestrel
Ok so valley is so high in civilization and celebration bc it was when the kingdom fully thrived and celebrated the prince’s victories, it’s also where he was crowned king. There were so many fun activates bc everyone was in celebration and in Tribute to the king. Both the rich and poor was welcome to valley
hushed steeple
Night night
normal berry
Why would they help them thrive?
@hushed steeple because a. it benefits themselves to have a thriving society or b. they just liked the praise and power
cold steppe
I think it's interesting that the favorite friends constellation is now called The Light
sinful anvil
what are some theories about krills’ origins?
mellow sable
final theory before i sleep, oreo is the king
cold steppe
wouldn't that be an amazing plot twist
short owl
If you left a highly populated society for a significantly quieter one, you would likely wind up making new connections once you decompress from overpeoplization
hushed steeple
@hushed steeple because a. it benefits themselves to have a thriving society or b. they just liked the praise and power
@normal berry
That still doesn't make sense, anything that is being used at some point will turn against that person of power, we see it from animals to humans
Doggo kingdom
normal berry
i think its interesting how the favorite friends constellation is in the shape of a crown
mellow sable
it's also called "The Light"
sly kestrel
And how it represents eden
normal berry
@normal berry
That still doesn't make sense, anything that is being used at some point will turn against that person of power, we see it from animals to humans
@hushed steeple cant turn against a society if you don't know theres any problems
short owl
Spirits were famiy, friends, comrads, neighbors
cold steppe
could it be possible that the elders fell and then the ancestors were the ones to help them rebuild their lives?
hushed steeple
@hushed steeple cant turn against a society if you don't know theres any problems
@normal berry
You can, and many have
That also says we're a part of eden elder?
cold steppe
though it depends on the definition of "fall" again
hushed steeple
That's the thing you can ALWAYS turn away from something
sly kestrel
Anything is possible based on our extremely vague lore wren
cold steppe
oh fair
hushed steeple
And nothing suggest the elders were using the ancestors
sly kestrel
And....uh they kinda wanted us to make up our own story
lethal stump
That also says we're a part of eden elder?
@hushed steeple a theory, a popular one
glad forge
Plot twist: home is actually some part of Eden
cold steppe
I think Raf dropped the best one of all though, that oreo is the king
short owl
The ancestors may have taught the elders as much as the elders taught the spirits
sinful anvil
im thinking the reason why the realms are fixed in time cuz those are the times in which light children are trapped
so we are just accessing time frames to find the children
lethal stump
we’re in our own spacetime loop like the elders are, bc we are a harbinger of the prince/king’s soul
normal berry
@normal berry
You can, and many have
@hushed steeple and that would require you to realizes there is problems with it said society, the ancestors could've been kept in the dark the whole time. and I'm not saying the elders were evil dictators, what I'm saying is their actions could very well be in their own selfish interests
sinful anvil
i thought these are jus cute kids!
sly kestrel
Ye, imprints of the child of light are the scattered wings we get
And there’s a theory the child of light is the king, and we look exactly like the winged light kids, and we give them to petrified bodies in eden that looks like Skykids
So yeah, it is a popular theory
hushed steeple
im thinking the reason why the realms are fixed in time cuz those are the times in which light children are trapped
@sinful anvil it wasn't always fixed
cold steppe
Sky theorizing goes deep
short owl
Spirits: "here is how we get food"
Elders: "here's how to use light to make things float"
hushed steeple
It was night time in prairie once
lethal stump
the elders represent technology and innovation
the spirits are likely the more rural part of everything
glad forge
Spirits: ill take your entire stock!
woven tundra
Interesting theories 
hushed steeple
@hushed steeple and that would require you to realizes there is problems with it said society, the ancestors could've been kept in the dark the whole time. and I'm not saying the elders were evil dictators, what I'm saying is their actions could very well be in their own selfish interests
@normal berry
Even then there are those who will question, even in a happy society you will question why everyone is happy and seek to see why
We happy Few is a great example of that
EXACTLY THAT
cold steppe
that's assuming the ancestors thought exactly the same way we did
hushed steeple
I'm posting this again
They were intelligent, they had to be to build the things they did
cold steppe
you're working on the assumption that ancestors were human-like in their thinking
lethal stump
What could they be then ?
sinful anvil
what made the spirits, spirits? why is it only their memories we can retrieve? the valley is likely to be populated, is it that humans leave no spirits but some higher being does?
cold steppe
I guess human-like is the wrong word to describe what I'm trying to say
hushed steeple
Look at the window
sly kestrel
Praire elder: “awww look at these cute butterflies”
Forest elder: “awww look at this cute technology potential”
Praire elder: “What?”
Forest elder: “What?”
hushed steeple
But they are very much human like
cold steppe
right now, we're interpreting the game as though the characters have the exact same mindset as we do
lethal stump
@sly kestrel can i use that for a comic ?
sly kestrel
No
lethal stump
oh
hushed steeple
So any theory why the time froze?
glad forge
Hmmmm
sly kestrel
what made the spirits, spirits? why is it only their memories we can retrieve? the valley is likely to be populated, is it that humans leave no spirits but some higher being does?
@sinful anvil spirits were alive once, their body is dead but their spirits live on and this is why we interact with them. Though it is a mystery why only some of the ancestors are able to have their memories relieved
lethal stump
spacetime loop like with the elders, bc we’re the king being punished, @hushed steeple
short owl
@hushed steeple I blame Megan
hushed steeple
From what we can see, they didn't lack intellect, wich would mean that at the very least they knew they were being used and some of them would question it
cold steppe
it could be possible that the ancestors weren't quite brainwashed, per se, but didn't really know any differently that what the ywere living
hushed steeple
Even a dog will bite its owner after being mistreated
cold steppe
though it could also tie into the two shields theory
lethal stump
@hushed steeple that’s the civil war probably
hushed steeple
But again, even among the brainwashed there are those who will question things
We see it all the time
delicate coral
Oh my goodness are we still on the megabird bad theory
hushed steeple
I'll mention We Happy Few again
cold steppe
I have to say, in some ways, I think you're overestimating the desire for rebellion. Yes, there will be people who question things, but we don't know if they were being suppressed or not
hushed steeple
The game shows exactly how even if brainwashed you will question
cold steppe
you can question but you may be one of the very few to question, which could make your rebellion inefficient and fail
lethal stump
I have to say, in some ways, I think you're overestimating the desire for rebellion. Yes, there will be people who question things, but we don't know if they were being suppressed or not
@cold steppe what about the civil war and k i n g p r o p a g a n d a
hushed steeple
If one is suppressed, others will not show it
short owl
Forest and prarie seem verry connected to their people. I doubt those ancestors were unhappy with their local elders
hushed steeple
We don't know if they were the cause of the rebellion
I'll say it again
We don't know if the elders used or brainwashed the ancestors
short owl
Forest worked alongside their people. And Prarie created goods for economic stability.
hushed steeple
All we know if that there was a reason for a war and a reason for the storm to happen
Kingpropaganda Kingpropaganda Kingpropaganda Kingpropaganda Kingpropaganda Kingpropaganda
Kingpropaganda Kingpropaganda......
I'm bored to hear this word now
normal berry
@normal berry
Even then there are those who will question, even in a happy society you will question why everyone is happy and seek to see why
@hushed steeple what you said is people can rebel without realizing there are problems in a society, if everyone thinks a society is perfect then there is no reason no rebel, Autodale: the animated series is an excellent example of this. But anyways that is besides the point because it deviates from my original statement, which was that the Elders could of made a FANTASTIC society and took great care of their subjects, but were still selfish brats and had their own interests other than "they just wanted to help"
sly kestrel
I don’t know about used, but I do believe they were worshipped and high respected by the ancestors
short owl
Valley too seemed connected, even if divided.
Even if people were unhappy with one, I would imagine they had at least a reasonable view of elders
cold steppe
and we're also assuming that there was a civil war. there definitely seems to be signs of one, but we might not know for sure
sly kestrel
But when they saw they were getting a lil too crazy with the power diamonds, I think that’s when their common sense kicked in and decided to go on the civil war
So no, I don’t believe they were controlled by the elders, maybe at first but I do believe they had free wills on their own and chose to use it when they realized they were bad
cold steppe
hot take: battlefield was a training ground for warriors against the krill
hushed steeple
@hushed steeple what you said is people can rebel without realizing there are problems in a society, if everyone thinks a society is perfect then there is no reason no rebel, Autodale is an excellent example of this. But anyways that is besides the point because it deviates from my original statement, which was that the Elders could of made a FANTASTIC society and took great care of their subjects, but were still selfish brats and had their own interests other than "they just wanted to help"
@normal berry
And again, I'll say it, even in a perfect society, there will be those who question it. Again We Happy Few, the illusion of a perfect society but under it there is something wrong and all it takes is one person to question it
I think no... Fighting against krills is no use?
We are going on the illusion that they were selfish
sly kestrel
Ye
hushed steeple
But we have nothing to confirm this
normal berry
@normal berry
And again, I'll say it, even in a perfect society, there will be those who question it. Again We Happy Few, the illusion of a perfect society but under it there is something wrong and all it takes is one person to question it
@hushed steeple again, that wasn't my point in the first place
cold steppe
I mean, that's the purpose of this channel. To theorize. We don't really know either way
lethal stump
i think, personally, they made the krills somehow as guards for the king and were eventually used against the subjects in the civil war
sly kestrel
And yea, they rlly have no defense against krill what so ever
lethal stump
against Tsadi and the subjects, to be specific, since i think he led the rebellion
sly kestrel
I’ll prolly reword that
Physical attacks can’t do anything to krill
lethal stump
you just go through them
cold steppe
it seems like they tried to do something since there's catapults and the wasteland elder has a spear
hushed steeple
Kk
Here's my theory
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Hope you enjoyed
cold steppe
amazing theory, 10/10
lethal stump
hushed steeple
They did fight something
sly kestrel
Yea
hushed steeple
And my guess is corruption
sly kestrel
That’s why the civil war theory came to rise
short owl
One thing we don't know though is when
hushed steeple
Because something wanted to corrupt or take the eye of Eden
sly kestrel
It all started a long time ago when we realized the spears were piercing the shields
hushed steeple
Only they caused the storm
short owl
The war could have happened only after the clouds came
lethal stump
One thing we don't know though is when
@short owl probably near the end of their civilization. war tends to make things more unstable
lethal stump
the king
hushed steeple
We can see the spears piercing both Shields tho👀
cold steppe
I do have a question about the size of the shields and spears though. Are the ancestors actually large enough to have held them?
or was it elder vs. elder?
lethal stump
both sides used spears and swords probably
hushed steeple
Some of the shields are huge
lethal stump
there’s not enough elders for that, you think ?
hushed steeple
Much bigger than the ancestors
woven tundra
That's a lotta elders if each held 1 shield and 1 spear then
cold steppe
exactly, smoll
sly kestrel
We can see the spears piercing both Shields tho👀
@hushed steeple exactly....
cold steppe
did they... set them up like a barricade then?
hushed steeple
Which would mean that either the spirits became smaller over time
mortal viper
@lethal stump , king drawing is ready
hushed steeple
Or the elders fought against each other
cold steppe
question: does the huge spell make you as tall as a spirit?
lethal stump
SHOW
hushed steeple
But that would mean there were more elders
cold steppe
because I may want to run some tests
hushed steeple
@cold steppe if you're already tall it can
Well in vault mural some people running while holding those Shields and spear
sly kestrel
There’s only six and I’m glad I rlly wasn’t the only one who noticed the huge weapons
lethal stump
also wren it makes us as tall enchantment dude i think
sly kestrel
They are only wieldable for ppl the size of the wasteland elder
hushed steeple
But it doesn't make sense
normal berry
question: does the huge spell make you as tall as a spirit?
@cold steppe huge spell makes you close to the size of an adult spirit and taller than a younger spirit
hushed steeple
Since we see quite a few shields and weapons
sly kestrel
I know and that’s why I got so confused about the war
lethal stump
were there other elders ?? spirits on steroids ?!
hushed steeple
There are only 6 elders
short owl
It may also have been a situation where not everyone was of their own mind. If people were trapped in clouds, hungry. Tired, and unable to even see...
cold steppe
can someone list the exact areas of the shields? I'm going to try sizing huge in Wasteland and/or Wasteland to measure
hushed steeple
So who were these people
sly kestrel
Either they used size manipulation, an entire new race, or some other reason I can’t think of
cold steppe
I have 0 huge spells
short owl
Worse - clouds recharge light. If Megan used the clouds to extend their power....
hushed steeple
were there other elders ?? spirits on steroids ?!
@lethal stump
My only guess is that the ancestors were bigger and then sized down
lethal stump
@lethal stump , king drawing is ready
@mortal viper are u gonna put it in #completed-sky-fanart-and-creations ?
normal berry
@cold steppe
hushed steeple
Bigger than confetti
cold steppe
ok, so I'll have to go buy some huge spell, then I'll try to measure
short owl
Also elders regularly use tools too big for them. I think they just have a light telekinisis that the vault spirits learned to hone
cold steppe
true, but do the spirits have it as well?
hushed steeple
Maybe they used the same spells
short owl
Sorry yes, spirits use tools too big for them
hushed steeple
That would make more sense
lethal stump
yes, since we see spirits in vault using magic
normal berry
ok, so I'll have to go buy some huge spell, then I'll try to measure
@cold steppe keep in mind we are tiny compared to spirits, so they could've been huge!
cold steppe
hmm yes
sly kestrel
I do know some spirits have some power
But an entire battle of huge ppl, eh I got no idea what it could be
mortal viper
@lethal stump I was planing to send here because I don’t know if I can send it there considering it is about the king...
hushed steeple
I used just one huge spell till now and it's hard to control for me so never used again
Why do we have these spells given to use by the spirits if they themselves didn't use them
lethal stump
chibi is 2’3
hushed steeple
I think they used?
lethal stump
@lethal stump I was planing to send here because I don’t know if I can send it there considering it is about the king...
@mortal viper spoiler the pic if you’re worried
magic steroids
hushed steeple
It says blessing tho
normal berry
the oversized weapons could imply they used spells tho
sly kestrel
I saw it as a game mechanic at first for us players to use and have fun with
But who knows, the spirits prolly used them
normal berry
i mean the ark spirits to sell them doe
sly kestrel
And I’m talking about the resize potions btw
Oh yeah the ark
Hm....maybe they did use them
And it’s not jus a game currency for us
hushed steeple
They could have definitely used them, especially since the ark spirits traded everywhere and seemed to specialise in spells
normal berry
ask the enchantment man 
cold steppe
does anyone want/need pictures of the ark murals since I'm heading there now?
hushed steeple
I know them by heart
The ark ones
The one in the crab cave confuse me
Kk
It's 3 am
I need to sleep now
Gn all.. happy theorizing
Night night
sly kestrel
I only got one lil lore detail from the crab murals and it’s not much at all
normal berry
goodnight
lethal stump
gn uwu
hushed steeple
Ugh, I don't even know where the mural starts and ends
And the crabs hate me and always glitch through my call and hit me
lethal stump
i’d imagine on the far left and goes around to the right to the back
normal berry
i saw that jay
hushed steeple
No idea how it goes
lethal stump
we all saw that jay
hushed steeple
Honestly
normal berry
happy now?
sly kestrel
When u wanna knock down crabs, u have to fly while calling so they won’t hit you
cold steppe
ah, it's not huge spell day
cold steppe
another time then
sly kestrel
I can help you if u want
hushed steeple
Mushrooms
sly kestrel
Oh nooo
hushed steeple
Ok guys I want a theory about the time in each realm at morning
Night time prairie
Go ahead
sly kestrel
Gonna take a while amio but okay
hushed steeple
lethal stump
amio you always ignore what i say about it being a spacetime loop
normal berry
sky earth is flat
cold steppe
did everyone notice that all the mantas in the crab cave are pointing toward the exits?
more or less?
hushed steeple
I did not notice that
sly kestrel
What confuses me is the amount of planets shown at the credits and if there were that many and only 6 elders than why jus one tiny earth
hushed steeple
But that's a cool thing
Especially since in the beginning the mantas exist through them
I think
sly kestrel
And, another thing
I wanna visit these planets
Ohhh u reminded me
My crab speculations
cold steppe
I actually used the mantas when I got lost in the cave at the beginning of the season
normal berry
What confuses me is the amount of planets shown at the credits and if there were that many and only 6 elders than why jus one tiny earth
@sly kestrel so far we haven't found many planets with life, much less intelligent life, could be the same for them
hushed steeple
It doesn't look like other planets but more like parts of the planet sky was on
normal berry
@hushed steeple whats this?
cold steppe
nooo