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we're out in the sun and we do not tan
sunglasses, beach chairs...
...
... Do spirits tan from DARKNESS?!?!
OOOH
thats a good point
Cause the chill sunbaither was NOT in the sun
melanin production induced by lack of UV radiation
The mechanism for melanin production must be like nothing we have ever seen....
I wonder...
To tan from darkness
i dont think skykids work like humans
must mean a reverse of evolutionary development
get their light absorbed, to become darker?
Cry spirit must be suuuuper tan
i dunno i hate light as much as those crabs so maybe they do
No because the channel indicates spoilers
Siiiii k
office probably doesnt relate to lore much though
as it's literally just tgcs office
Okay, did y’all notice this in office?
I have multiple sightings of the curvature and atmosphere of the worlds... as well as a working diagram that I drafted regarding the gas giant.... take a look for yourselves.
what do you mean by gas giant
As far as the Gas Giant theory goes, I have put together this descriptive diagram to illustrate my theories to help visualize the theoretical & mathematical bits of my conjectures. Please "view original" to view in detail @hushed steeple @cyan halo
@candid wave
Yes FINALLY! The orbital pathway is IDENTICAL to that of most known gas giants (based on my calculations of sky kid jump hight correlated w/approximate weight/hight differentials) you will also notice that the spirits in ||the office|| have computers which are mainly composed of precious minerals which have to have been mined from the core (which is the only rock/mineral composition of most gas giants)
@candid wave
oh so you are talking about the actual planetary structure of sky
Im thinking the planet we're on is a gas giant with a nitrogen rich atmosphere and a water cycle. The land masses we're on could be orbital objects in a ring system around eden.
@cyan halo
Yes
exactly
but office isnt a part of the lore
that's interesting however the computers in the office aren't actually in-universe for sky, its the office of the tgc staff and the computers they used to make the game!!!
A gas giant, nitrogen rich atmosphere, Eden as the core
@candid wave
Each realm a spot on the planet that is in a perpetual state of time
@candid wave
due to the orbital lock of the planet w/the sun star
@candid wave
Dawn, morning, noon, night, etc, etc, etc
@candid wave
Sources? @random glen
there is plenty of technology in universe in sky though!
i dont think that needs a source the staff literally have said thats what the office is 🤔 however that is an interesting theory!
back with the physics lesson i see
Prepared a cape names chart wanna see?
Eh. I like including the office and traveling spirits in theories. It makes a nicer image of the world imo.
Same
the travelling spirits make sense to be in theories
We need more lore surrounding the rock robot giant in the office
since theyre from previous seasons
Uhhh🥺
What causes his animation

i feel like you're trolling
no just an avid thinker
the office is the office.. not connected to lore
Focused on complex conundrums
Sky has paper. I expected light based data storage since we never see so much as a street sign to suggest a written language
Murals not withstanding because they be pictures
Though Vault does have letters on her hat
actually i've never known why the robot is in the office area (though i don't see much of office as lore-related)
you definitely have passion
Cape names...
i cant deny that
no that’s the chartreuse one
i've always thought skykids were specially made just to carry out whatever mission they're supposed to be on
Either way... I think that the office has some elements which could be accepted into lore
i agree with you res
i feel like i read somewhere here people theorising they were made of clay or something
which is interesting
loam?
I figure that while actual meta content isn't able to be meshed into cannon, the office may be represenative of a place spirits could work
it's also interesting to note that skykids' limbs aren't the same colour as their heads
i think about it when i see them hehe
i feel like they're mainly made of coal and the arms + legs are some type of clay ?
but then again, they have a fully-connected figure even when not lit up (idk how to phrase it)
@random glen I thinj it's wax. We wax hands and legs to ensure our bodies are safe for handling wl
@gray bridge could work because the office is set out in a spirit friendly manner. If we traveled sky looking for offices, we may find a similar layout.
A chat table, providing a place to talk and have meetings. Technology that's them sized rather than HUUUUUUGE like the factories
And of course, candles for light charging
What are hearts made from
hearts?
it's a game mechanic
Oh
Probably wax as well, but with our own special marks on them
Probably wax as well, but with our own special marks on them
oooh man imagine special candles made from the wax we collected
artificial grass... we been knew all this time
@ember zodiac no, grass is made of manta eggs. 🥚

In seriousness, probably bits of collected sunlight and drawn up darkness
What if the spirits were humans? And the skykids a different species
i.. think it's just grass..
The flowers don't seem to be
but yeah i think skykids are a different species from spirits
where did you find them from?
What?
the cape names
Nah.. I named them myself☺️
Will there be seasonal ancestors tomorrow?👀
U don’t need to spam this into multiple chats
Wdym by that?
If ur taking about a new season then no
@odd pond seasonal spirits arrive on day one of a season and stay for the duration
👀
Yeah idk where u got the idea that more come daily...
I think ur referring to traveling spirits
Another one won’t come for a while
Oh, yes, I collect candles for it every day😄
okay sooooo me and my friend @cold dock were exploring in sanctuary today! and we realised something about the crabs. so obviously theres two kinds of crabs here, the ones in the cave, and the ones outside of the caves who are friendly and make me uwu... so we were like, what if we take out a crab from the cave and put him with the nice crabs?!!?! will he go nice too?!?!! 🥺 and we tried it aaaaand he literally walked the entire way back to the cave. this guy literally walked through the ocean to escape the light. we followed him the entire way and i have pics which i'll post but i just thought lore wise this is really interesting, because it doesnt happen with the crabs in forest, we tried this too and they just chill about but there's a lot less sun there.... ya just thought some of you might like this incase nobody else has done this yet!!!!
@random glen murals in the crab caves at Arc suggest the crabs attack bc their environment was destroyed from ancestors stealing water
I've been thinking- the crab cave in Sanctuary may be an observation cave or an arena of some sort? This is probably wrong but since the crabs in that area are very vicious maybe they built that structure out of an unused cave to observe how they act? Since theres that high viewing point idk
prairie day yall

YEESSSSS
those cloud cities and temples are amazingg
so tgc said the cutscenes are outside time and space but affect the place, so when the Valley elders fought for the candlelight, is our player affected? they didnt get the candle light?
I love love LOVE the concept with the many waterfalls. I think they brought a little of that into sanctuary. I wouldn't mind an entire place just filled with waterfalls tho
1 more interesting thing in Sky
the first 3 realms are more in touch w nature. the next 3 are more mechanic.
true
I think their technology also developed along the way?
in the next 3 the nature theme is almost gone
The first mechanic we see between the three realms are the one in the forest temple, it's the first working machine we ever Saw, then it all started from there
in the next 3 the nature theme is almost gone
Not much but yes, I agree with that :'D
I wonder if GW was once a forest like Hiden Forest
I think the downfall of technology is around the Wasteland era, it was named Golden for a reason but yet, it is also the downfall for these Machinery before it finally risen once again in the Vault kingdom era
I somehow think that these realms with their kingdom lived a different era and when one falls, a new era was risen to continue the life, but in different places? As if they (the elders and light beings) goes from one place to another, like from Isle, to Prairie, to Forest and so on
Though, it doesnt really fits with the "Together, the fallen stars builds a new home in the clouds" (?) Sentence from the intro
I'm not sure :'D
I wonder if GW was once a forest like Hiden Forest
But there was only sand there though ;;
now there is only sand
but we see trees are necessary in the diamond production
and about the kingdons existing in different times, I don't think it is likely. They look like an evolution, but they also seemed to be dependent from one another. For example, Forest needed the buterflies from Prarie to make the diamonds
same thing for Wasteland
Yeah, you got the point,,
also, at the inicial cutscene we see each of the elders raise a realm
but your theory is an interesting take
and as was said by the devs before there is no right or wrong here
just crazy people with crazy theories
Yeah x'D
Basically just us sharing our own ideas of what we think about the Lore, it's quite nice discussing it
also you guys are so observant like wh- hsbsbsb
i felt like valley was more of a neutral place until i saw all the king diamonds
I've always been confused as to why the crying spirit always starts with one look, but ends with another different looking person,,, would anyone care to explain??
i feel like that could just be some sort of uniform they all share but then again i forgot the whole cutscene sequence so 🗿
For me, I think it's because the crying spirit is the only one that lived the longest and Saw her friends died one by one, so it's like a memory of a group of spirits, but going towards the end of the memory, we see it from the crying spirit's perspective since she is the longest to live, hence that's why it's ended up in her
Some of them do(?) :'D
depends on the crab. the two crabs on the island are friendly, normal hostile crabs usually have black particles around them and are more grey in colour
what about them o:
you can flip them
flipping them never works for me either
what
In which cave ? Is it in the sanctuary? :'D
I tap them but they never do
yes sanc
THE ONE PAT BELLY ONE
no you don't tap them to flip
Ooohh
you long hold yourself to release a long h o n k in order to flip crabs in general
F
You need to do a deep call to flip them !
aha
my friends and i flipped over all the crabs in the cave and put them on a fire outside in sanctuary
maybe
crabs do be angry
Ima go check rn
Ah yes the crabs in the sanctuary cave are very a n g ry
unrelated but what is the size of the skykids?
yes
I'm not sure why, perhaps it's just because they really like the place and go a n g y when we go near them ;;
maybe
yeah the crabs there are wack
or maybe they really hate the place and that's why they're so angry
https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/658041369289555980 here's the link for skykids irl height someone did
Oh Gosh x'D
They be saying "I hate this place, it make me so a n gy I just want to hit anyone who pass by"
OH MY GOD THEYRE TINY
i'm not surprised since skykids are really small compared to the general infrastructure of sky
They are quite Tiny yes-
fair enough
Yeah they do,,
but i thought perhaps the society simply enjoyed large temple-like buildings
the spirits are taller anyway so they look normal against the buildings i guess
true
I always think that we children (in normal height) are as tall as a 5-7 years old compared to the normal spirits while chibis are literal walking babies,,
Children with height one looks as tall as a teenager x'D
that means i have a perfect reason to make them bug sized, yay
B u g s I z e d
yep i've seen players even smaller than chibis
legitimately bug sized
or n u g g e t s
h a l l o w n e s t
Tiny potion!
A question just out of curiosity
Why shiny boi avoids rain?
I think it will dissipate their light like sky kids
water will put out their light
like extinguishing a candle's flame
presumably it's like this with them as well since for sky kids you can lose winged lights by standing in the rain
someone once asked why rain affected the sky kids, but not swimming in water (or even being submerged in ice water in valley)
true, true
definitely there's something about the water purity involved in valley/home vs. wasteland
for rain/swimming in general, i made a suggestion that it's like how being in the rain is worse for us than swimming because of how there's the wind chill factor, but i've got no idea about the ice water scenario
i think the falling rain is probably also meant to be polluted somewhat perhaps? given it's in forest where there's so much growing darkness
that's possible, yeah, although i don't think swimming in any of the water there affects your health either so long as it's undercover
Theres someone said that manta was the cause of raining because they were locked down in the temple.
the manta, or the jellyfish?
Maybe the rain stop when you step and light all the candles on to the third platform because the manta knows you'll save them.
skykids are between 2’7 (chibi) and 3’11 (height 1)
(sky kids are smol beans, yup)
Or maybe its the Elder who was crying, on the cut scene the Elder was sad
i've never considered that sadness interpretation before, interesting...it does kinda thematically work since sadness is seen as a darker mood
it feels a little once-off to me personally though, in the sense that i don't feel like we've seen mood influencing the weather/environment in any other instance of the world if that's what's happening
Maybe the cutting of the trees affected the balance of the clouds treetops, causing it to condense and fall as rain
Yeeaaah but the question is who cut the trees?
Maybe the Elder Forest starts all of what's happening and regret it in the end thats why the Elder forest is sad
I wonder why crabs hide from krill
Forest Elder is in a hurry to get back to work
I think it was greed more than sadness who produce the darkness crisis. The old civilizations were waging war between each other. Sadness is sad not mean
It's okay to be sad
In fact, I think the mission of the old civilization was probably the same us ours, but they forget it, and the darkness crisis started because the light in the individuals was not returning to orbit. Instead of understanding the great scheme of things, they focus on wealth and prestige, and that produced an unbalanced between the darkness and the light. In my sky theory, darkness exist no matter what, but there was an expansion of it because of the ancients greediness.
We are made of darkness and light, that's why you see the dark and light kid hugging at orbit
Darkness is our material self, while light our animated self, that's why when we die we turn dark
basically what im getting from these early design posts is that sky used to be even floatier
So I have a odd question? So there are two valley elders and two races and two temples! Two ways that you can go in vally. What way do you guys think one of them own! Like the girl might own the flying race? That’s just an example! Just out of curiosity!
Relax!!
this is definitely a stretch, but since yin = feminine and also earth, while yang = masculine and also sky, i think the male elder owns the flying race and the female one owns the sliding race
speaking of the valley elders, what's their relation to each other
i assume theyre twins but ive also wondered if they were lovers instead
they’re confirmed to be twins
oh alright
however when it comes to lovers, i headcanon mama forest and mama vault are together but that’s just me being gay
also this is the height stuff i referenced earlier
i think
https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/658041369289555980
i wonder how tall this makes the elders
very tall
true lol
i might go as chibi into the elder room oob and when theyre all standing straight, compare myself to them
however they hover over the ground, so i should probs just count pixels
Oh yeah, vault elder and forest are related
wait theyre blood related?
dang there goes the headcanon i just discovered and accepted
i dont think theyre blood related
i think theyre the kind that historians look at and go ‘aw so close they were like sisters’ when irl they were gey
but thats just me
r/sapphoandherfriend
they lived together for 20 years and never married, so depressing
defintely straight clearly
forest mom says lesbian rights
forest mom says butch rights
vault mom says femme rights
the diamonds on forest elder's robes are a dead giveaway 
wdym ?
It was on a live-stream
Idk what their definition of “related” is
But
They are related
Yeah they both short 
welp it would be pretty weird to ship two people who are potentially family so i'll just hide in the shame corner now
i have no shame
i see a lot of my headcanons as removed from proper theories anyways lmao
Something that I’ve been puzzling on recently is the depiction of five elders for Eden
The portal gate for Eden has five elder heads around it, for every realm except isle
And this latticework can be found throughout Eden
but isn't that diamond the king's head? 
i can't read apparently 
cause isle wasn’t considered a realm, just a tutorial, so it wasn’t counted on the eden door
this was in beta, mind you
still hasn’t changed
i mean, there could be a reason why the isle elder still hasn't been put on the gate but who knows 
yep there's usually two symbols for the king (i think)
the three diamonds and that one big stretched rhombus
Maybe the isle elder died before the gate was built
he is the only one with a broken mask
vault elder's mask is pretty broken too
I feel like eden's gate was built after whatever happened there
to contain the darkness, the storm and the destruction
aside from Forest, no other realm has an entry gate, and as I sent earlier, eden's gate look pieced back together
I just find it strange that instead of depicting the supposed Eden elder, it depicts the other elders
He is the diamond on top
The bell
and if the gate was built after eden fell, it would make more sense to put the faces of the ones protecting the people by raising that gate, than the one who caused all the mess
Okay but there's two other things that doesn't account for
- The latticework either leaves out the vault elder, instead depicting the eden elder, or it doesn't depict the eden elder
- the gate that's actually in eden does not have a symbol for the eden elder on top
King = Eden elder = diamond shapped bell on top
It has
vault elder's mask is the centre i think
Prairie,forest,vault, wasteland, valley
From left side
if the latticework was built after eden fell i guess it would make sense that theres no eden elder
Hey it's as same as in vault mural i think
?
The vault elder cutscene
Here’s the gate in Eden (if it'll ever upload)
i just had a thought, since vault elder is usually depicted on the top does that mean theyre more high ranking than the others?
or is it more of a round table situation
we believe he is the king
vault elder?
Knowing king propaganda, it is there somewhere
maybe it's damaged?
maybe because it's vault but the other elders due have to make a semicircle around the vault elder in the cutscene
I would go check but I got a boring text to read
yes there's always king propaganda somewhere somehow
it looks a bit like the rocks around the gate collapsed
maybe the symbol got buried?
Maybe because the gate is in eden so
i can check hold on
maybe the symbol got buried?
@nimble siren possible
Btw there's Eden elder symbol behind the gate little top
In which case it would be implied that the gate was built before Eden turned sour
there's partial king propaganda here
the king is everywhere 
Pic is not loading for me
he likes to be in high places
he could even be me or you
bruh
XDDDDDDD
King symbol
GIANT KING PROPAGANDA
ultimate king propaganda
it is the Vault's pinacle I guess
😕
imagine pale king punting eden king
“u screwed up ur kingdom”
“so did u hypocrite”
skykids and vessels: mb .... lets just get along
is the king propaganda stuff not correct o:
we don't know if it is propaganda
we just know he is everywhere in sky world
every realm has at least one bell with his head on top
Even the home
and GW has 9 statues + 5 turrets
we really aren't immune huh...
realms: exist
king: its free real estate
XDDDDD
Since we were talkig about sizes, I feel like some of the statues in GW are his real size
he is depicted in the concept arts as the tallest of all elders
considering the size of the door in the eden castle i wouldn’t be surprised if he was that tall
The king is eden
He's just the entirety of eden
It makes perfect sense if you think about it
i thought the size of the door was just a flex on how great it was
it is a possiblility
The statue of the king in the propaganda poster:
That shape is present in every realm in sky
How?
The eden lens flare
Additionally, from the canon google doc
the king is not present in the same way as spirits or elders, and it can be implied that he's present in some way in every realm
He's just the entirety of eden
@delicate coral The vault cutscene does show the kind inside eden's mountain
wait that's new
actually i've never seen the theory of the king being eden itself o:
I have mentioned it multiple times 
maybe he wasn't always eden. But as he got corrupt, he fused with the mountain
i'm sorry bluespirit i think it's my dementia kicking in pls forgive this old person 
hmmm is the king a physical representation of eden or did he become eden later
i vote for the later
hm, maybe it actually fits better for the king to be the huge power stone within eden
but the first brings a hole lot of new theories to my head
Tbh the king is gone, never really was going to be in the game
We all want him to exist but sadly our dreams of his existence are all in vain
That fits better with the vault cutscene, because it's kinda like he's trapped in there?
Ash confirmed the king to be in game lol
the king's still around but he's just... not as explicitly shown as like elders or spirits pls we just want to see king propaganda 
Tbh the king is gone, never really was going to be in the game
We all want him to exist but sadly our dreams of his existence are all in vain
@pale kestrel devs confirmed he exists, just not the way we wanted
maybe he messed up when making the big power rock and is punished by being trapped forever in the mess that present day eden is
Is there any possibility that the Narrator was the King all along?
there always is
Those two possibilities are not mutually exclusive
What narrator?
the one in intro
what do you guys think of the king and the child of light though
The glowy when you || die in eden ||
the shiny bois were described as imprints of the child of light
i thought all skykids were the children of light
I think that he is like the god figure of the sky universe
in the intro there's just the child of light
He is The light
wait the megabird is the god right?
unless its a thing where king = destruction and megabird = life
the thing is that the light in-game is your friend constellation
Well I don't really hang out on this channel much
I was under the impression that the children of light were skykids, and are what you get when you combine the shiny bois with the husks in eden
like your friend constellation is titled 'the light'
These are my personal theories
I don't actually know what is canon
I have my own theories for all of sky
There's a google doc in this channel's pinned messages with all the canon stuff we know
other than that we're really all in the same boat as you, it's all speculation
sorry for the topic change but i just wanted to show this observation o: (first drawing creds to bluespirit)
the eden door might be a bit of a stretch but the symbols on the back and the wings of skykid in the intro are kind of similar?
it's always that specific curve(?), but the vault statues's wings are much more pointier compared to the curve of the intro wings which could suggest something but then again i could be overthinking this
the structure in the back of the statues does looks like wings
but i don't know how to use this knowledge 
ok same 
Also also, I'm sorry for going from one thing to another... Are these mantas? Do they only swim as a baby and learn to fly when they get older?
@hushed steeple those bird fish can be discovered flying around after we return the first bell
Those are manta fishes
But in the intro the Human Figure on the mural went down as well
@brittle gust It's commonly believed that the seventh tail of light came from the clouds according to the intro, as the figure doesn't fall and the tail is first seen coming from the clouds
it was said in canon lore that spirits, elders and the kids are different species
@mortal viper The canon is that the elders and kids are different but different species isn't the right phrasing
descendant species as I remember
This skele also resembles the one in vault right?
@inland folio the whale skeleton in forest has a different spinal structure than the ribcages in vault and wasteland
I love how hage likes to keep ppl in check 
The single person probably got so conflicted that they just kinda... Snapped in two
@short owl in a live stream they said that "the valley elders are twins" I do love the theory that they're the same person split in two thou! It's neat and I can totally get behind this
i feel like i read somewhere here people theorising they were made of clay or something
@random glen there was a Q&A on game design (IIRC) where tgc was asked what kids were made out of, and they said another staff member could enlighten them then said staff member said that the noises for sky kids was clay
Also I just read what Ktjn said earlier, I don't mean to be gatekeeping or come down hard on what's "real and true canon" my intentions are to be informative not abrasive 
This ring looks like
These!
@hollow pier heck I haven’t seen those pictures omg that BRAID though. But about the thing - were those a kind of door you had to open with light that you collected? Kind of puzzles that bring you to the next level? And the ‘’solidified motes” are like things that you can hold that light/energy in to transport/trade/gift it?
The motes are an early concept of candles that we have now I think
Everything is majestic
@hollow pier identical twins are splitoffs from the same developing cell
Is there more lore to the big fish in the underground forest bit and eden? It just seems to be a strange thing to have without context
Is this the king?
Yes rhendlee
We think so
Us being reborn isn't actually us, it's a body with our memories implanted
It's my view from it
If the king and the eden elder are the same person then it's the king for sure, which is my bet
I finally figure out about the giant bones at gw
Okay, so credits to the comic maker on Twitter, I forgot their usename
But when I was reading that comic, it shows the gw elder killing a krill and leaving it to rot
So maybe the giant bones we saw at gw are bones of the krill
This ring looks like
@hollow pier what game is this and where you find it?
So maybe the giant bones we saw at gw are bones of the krill
@hushed steeple maybe! I personally think they're from a yet unseen creature of light as they're much bigger than krill
@hollow pier what game is this and where you find it?
@hushed steeple https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/575768778789617674/732744253133815808 on their twitter, it's a beta version of Sky
Oooh okay!
It's things like that that make me wanna play the beta
But I know the beta and the beta are not the same thing
||I want to ask something which I noticed in office, there is a board in office which talks of what area is what, like isle is childhood and etc etc...but only and only vault is not given there??? Is vault something else than the usual birth to death timeline considered for the areas of sky||
No need to spoiler tag here@hearty yoke
I dont even know why the vault isnt count there but i think vault means wisdom
hmmm
Like being an old man
At least they tell about the eden and orbit
Yupp
An interesting thing about Eden: it's the one place where others can't really do anything for you
Vault is more like a dream realm rather than an actual realm
They can light up shrines so you can rest, and scream at you in shelters, but having others with you doesn't make things that much easier
And it keeps ripping you apart from people
You can play hide n seek in eden
don't take a moth hand's in eden
Well I do wonder who're screaming at the point of no return
Don't take a hand of someone named seedy-
i havent been active in the lore chat in weeks, what's happened? any new theories? 
Well I do wonder who're screaming at the point of no return
@hushed steeple wait what? What scream?
i just assumed it was the wind or something until now 
@magic stream are you an Indonesian. Just asking 👀
Yeap
I never actually listened, i thought thats just wind as in a cave or something
But thats actually creepy if you think about it
Kinda sound like church chanting indeed
dorime.......
ameno
ameno
dorime
masime........


not really church chanting but i get the idea kinda
Maybe corrupted king chanting to get skykid's soul?
I keep hearing about a corrupted king and a prince. Are they cannon or just a theory?
king is in-game, prince is not confirmed
Ah king is confirmed tho
prince could either be completely scrapped or he grew up into king but who knows
king is a mech imo
I like to think thats the voice of the Darkness itself...more creepy that way
Not theory tho
the prince is an eternal child, so he has this throne-mech-thing built to make himself seem more powerful and strong
halconera, they're from concept art -- whether the prince is still canon isn't entirely clear, but we've been told the king is still part of sky's lore
Do we ever see the king? I have been playing since ios release, but I have never seen him. Am I justblind?
ahh
Thanks!
those statues in battlefield are him we think
we "kind of" do, but also not really -- there're statues in golden wasteland resembling his character design
king propaganda
we must indoctrinate you on king propaganda
King is everywhere
Alright. I am not insane. I regret not joining the community when I first started playing. I didn't think there really was one.
full album here, but also attaching the image for the king (far right):
https://imgur.com/a/TxQvMHr
Thanks!
@little hornet you can see the king in vault mural
I guess that's where everyone 1st noticed the king or 7th elder
When you think that you've seen everything
corrupt creature
nah
worm off the string
as for where we see that design in-game:
also the statues at the end of graveyard
latticework of king propaganda symbol
The vault is itself a king statue tho
everything is king statue
Sky kid is a king statue?
soo can you make it past the storm without dying?
grass is mini king statues
lol no
#lore-discussion-spoilers message@lethal stump 
no ivy
I heard BOOMKS
I always wondered what happened to the realms. I tried so hard when I was a little moth to figure it out.
you’re supposed to die
And water is liquid form of king statue ginsy?
yes
yes
are boomks the ones that have spotlights for eyes?
the water is secretly king statue
lol
boomks...?
No like the boomks the boomkworm was reading
Bookworm*
the spotlight face creatures
Dude sky should have books that reveal things about sky lore within the game
Like in Skyrim
wow yes
And you swipe the screen to read the next page
paper definitely exists in sky, we have scrolls and music sheets so (as said before here iirc)
the spotlight face creatures
@alpine sentinel Those are krill/dark dragons
Ah that's lovely krills
Hidden boomks
ahh ok thanks
death hug
they gib kiss
the krills have killed me MULTIPLE TIMES!!
yeah

overused joke but krills really do love us to death
Only if said lore is chosen to be abstract - I don't wanna stop needing to make leaps to understand sky. Leaps are fun
Stores boomks, scrolls, maps, and papers
@whole quartz what if vault is the library
OMG YES
and the vault of knowledge could have the stuff you need to learn
That's👀
The shelves looks like that😅😅
oof thats what i was typing
isnt a library a vault of knowledge already 
yEEEEEE

but there’s no knowledge in it, we can’t read the stone thingys
possibly
But we skykids can't crack those knowledge lantern
Ooooh you know what we could have that would give us speculative material but not answers? In universe FICTION
Because we don’t speak spirit
And then another thing, the ghost mantas are actually called memory, so maybe there is something related
the knowledge lanterns are too darn smart
YES
yesss
Maybe an event for next season
yall are so smart
Ghost mantas is in your dreams
Season of knowledge
yessss
Vault is so underdeveloped, imagine if it gets developed and we can get to the ingame lores😍
yesss!
There's some lore already in vault
Underdeveloped as in less candles and stuff😭😭😭
Maybe that out-of-bounds tree could be put in the center of the library!
nice ideas
and you need to light all the candles to make the tree bloom, and you can’t access the information until the tree blooms
blue cherry blossom
wow
With like, spirit vines climbing up the shelves
A mix between the vault and the cottage core aesthetic
Someone suggest it, I’m going to go eat with my family soon
gasp
Spirit librarian
I think we ll never get any clear lore in game, this abstract lore is what make us keep playing sky
Doesn’t give you cosmetics, but is there to give the area more liveliness
i used to think of the vault spirits as preists
i wish the devs would just add an area that isn’t related to any season, bc when new areas are added its for upcoming seasons
like they’d just be like “surprise! have a new area”
Getting a full lore will make me feel bore to play the game
i wish the devs would just add an area that isn’t related to any season, bc when new areas are added its for upcoming seasons
@spring blaze may be just add lil bit more details to exist areas would be awesome
Like some must needed changes 1st... The eden gate..the died bird in valley... Those constellation in prairie and citadel
That's why in universe fiction would work so well
Multilevel symbolism means only some details are relevant
And we have no idea which ones
there might be some hints & references in new areas though
Honestly im still in awe that a game with this much awesomeness is just a mobile game
Honestly im still in awe that a game with this much awesomeness is just a mobile game
@magic stream fr, this feels like a console/PC game
Imagine what kinda game produced if TGC made an console or PC game...it would be a massive game
It's coming to console so
there's Journey 
Though tbh... Maybe starting mobile helped with scale
TGC can have all of my money
Small team could build an awesome mobile game on a smaller scale and budget, then build up.
if it was console/PC maybe we could have gotten king battle in eden 
This game remind me so much about how i felt back then when i first played Skyrim...so much blur stories, so much lore to dig, complex histories, etc
That’s what the library is gonna be for!
And maybe some scattered information on shelves
Throughout areas
The Vault was kinda has same purpose as library tho
True
Even tho we cant get all the information in game
Maybe the information has various symbols on the front like the books in Skyrim
Guys what is to be expected in the sleepy traveller's shop??
Wait what if players can send letters to other players if they’re not online?
we dunno 

Is diamond shape = 4 edged star?
The like diamond shape designs everywhere
I think what we consider diamond shape is just plain rectangular diamond shape
In our capes star symbol is 4 edged star and kinda look like diamond shape like other designs on the game, so maybe the diamond shapes are 4 edged star but simpler
Suggested it!
I think our cape winged light symbol is entirely different symbol
Cape winged light symbol is same as the King's head shape
we royalty fam
But, im not sure about light shape on our mask and chest...kinda similar with diamond shape
Ooooh i saw something inside of a sky kid that has the same symbol of the cape
I will try to screenshot it to clarify what i saw
I wonder what is that place looks like up close
That's a 2d image of an another factory
Sometimes i really wish we could get a glimpse of what every realms looks like before
Have the Sanctuary lore been discussed here? If so, kindly send me link so I can read some good stuff
i don't think we've seen any 2D cutout techniques used in sky up till now, but i'm not sure anyone's ever gone far enough out of bounds to confirm if something off in the distance like that is still fully 3D modelled or not 
isn’t the eden mountain 2d ?
i'm not actually sure, has anyone ever confirmed it?
wait, i'm thinking of when we see it from after valley...in earlier stages, it'd make a lot more sense
isn’t the eden mountain 2d ?
@lethal stump the eden mountain pics we see from prairie is 2d ... I went close to that
what about other realms ?
I guess 2d as well
it'd make sense to use 2D instead of 3D models though for faraway objects, saves on resources
yeye
i couldn't tell with how eden mountain looked from valley, because it looked animated
that thing in wasteland looks 3D-ish
or to be more precise, end of valley/beginning of golden wasteland
That took 20 minutes swimming alone in a vast open sea to reach that mountain
I thought the clouds are real but that turned out just a transparent wall
2d structures
damn how did you keep your light ??
i'm impressed you got that close, i can never get past the wind walls 
They really have to massively save resources so the game can run on mobile devices
There's no wind wall if you go from prairie elder room
how do you do that ?
I guess glitch isn't lore related?
i'm guessing a chibi fall through the floor to hit the ocean?
but yeah, that might not be lore-related now that you mention it, we're veering a little offtopic
What's the lore of Sanctuary?
we don’t know yet
We've to restore the bells
Oh I forgot, as its story has to progress yet which takes the whole season
Okay okay, I must wait and return here for us to discuss
Its at the back of sky kid diamond shape, theres also in the front the light at the center but the picture won't send
what if sky kids are actually just walking batteries? 
we already call them that when tagging along with an uber
What if that orb which is on skykid's chest is the ball which is eden elder holding in vault mural?
i think it’s our candle, since it disappears when we take our candle out
well, more specifically, our light
kinda makes visual sense considering the animation we do when giving away winged lights in eden
hmm, i wonder if that might also tie into why you can hear a heartbeat in-game when holding another player's hand, if you're in a quiet enough area
there's a fair amount of attention drawn to the sky kid's chest/heart area
The heartbeat may came from the light
Or that could be the skykid being nervous
You can hear the heartbeat at any place that is quiet
yeah, both when you're holding hands or piggybacking another player
But ye, sky kids are basically vessels for light, they can absorb and contain it finitely
Personally I think skykids are part krill because the glow shifts from yellow to blue when it is consumed by red crystals or when flying upward. The light is hiding our true nature.
Sky kids are Hybrid of Light and Dark
you also emit a momentary blue glow when you take off into flight while standing on the ground (actually quite anxiety-inducing because it's a similar shade to the krill spotlight)
Part of Krill are a bit...
That blue glow is just when the sky kid loses light
Theres a theory why that is but, thats how its made i suppose
I think this is
« connected »
« indifferent »

i think they've changed the nature of dark stone (if they're now the red crystals we see around eden), but they probably preserved some of the colouring concepts
It literally represents lost of light
Or lost of connection as that visual represents
I think they change it to red crystal to represent pure darkness and danger i think?
probably also because the colour palette of eden would be a bit off otherwise
but yeah, it's the same colour as an alert krill's spotlight, which is a clear "stay away" signal
I think its just residue from when the diamond erupted
it could be, though it makes me wonder if dark stone still exists/is visible in the game somewhere then if it wasn't removed/changed
I think dark crystals are red crystals that lost it's pure darkness and danger?
Oooh the dark crystals still exists, if you go to eden and go closer to the kids that turned stones when coming thru the cave, there are dark crystals on them
whoa, i'll need to take a closer look at those details then, i never thought too much about the blue cracks/patterns on them
Here the pic from above
though i remember people suggesting that sky kids might be made of darkness/similar to krill because of how your remnant soul is blue, but that again would also work with the earlier idea that blue just signifies a lack/loss of light
hmmmmm....that's definitely some food for thought
it's not quite the exact shade that i imagined it, but it's also different from the black residue our characters build up while going through the last part of eden
Well... We only went blue after sacrificing all our wl, and continued to have our light drained
I missed a detail, when we stand near red crystal did it suck up the light of sky kid or it gets absorb by the sky kid?
The dark water sucks too but the water is not red by means
Here the pic from above
@brittle gust I'm quite sure that one is from old beta stuff
True, but it's also black
The old blue eden
It doesn't need to glow red to distinguish itself from normal rocks
@brittle gust I'm quite sure that one is from old beta stuff
@hushed steeple
The pic is from you
Also... There is still a blue crystal'ed kid in Eden
But theres red emitting on the picture
@hushed steeple
The pic is from you
@brittle gust yes i asked that then I got my answer later🙃
Oooh so the red on the side is not the current eden?
Oooh is there a King on the old Beta?
Re “candle is the sky kid’s light”: watch the left hand when they put it away
i never noticed that before till that came up a bit earlier
those statues in battlefield are him we think
@lethal stump this is canon
@brittle gust
The vault is itself a king statue tho
@hushed steeple that's in front of vault; vault itself is the giant brick wall behind that extra tall king statue
👀
At first i thought the King was the Giant on the office 
Maybe he is
Affected by the loss of so many, he now wanders a place that does not technichally exist
Only when the remaining elders and spirits are summoned to Orbit will the king finally rest
Maybe it is the King but got Scrap and redesign?
99% joking
Krills in the sanctuary what happened?
You mean with the krill or with me
i think it’d be cool if when we 100% all the constellations, we get to « meet » the king
That'll take my entire life
Yeeees then have King's Ultimate Gift
Or more than that
cause if we save the other stars
i wish we could have a chance to save the last one
It is sad tho to not being able to save King
yeah
or, more precisely, not being able to save the prince
the king is a big meanie 😠
And then another thing, the ghost mantas are actually called memory, so maybe there is something related
@hearty yoke they're also called spirit mantas, but we're also told that text shouldn't be considered canon but sky kid's interpretations of what they see
What if the king fell into darkness and disintegrated, his essensce turned into krills, now hungry for lights so it hunts children of lights
I'll cry if we are able to save the King or Prince with him thanking us for our hard work and dedication.
Or he'll take our soul to create more darkness and kill megabird
nOOOOO
Thats unexpected
we gotta........redeem him............

But can be be good Twiiiiiist
@hearty yoke they're also called spirit mantas, but we're also told that text shouldn't be considered canon but sky kid's interpretations of what they see
@hollow pier ohhh... Actually I thought that because, most of the sound call for kid are named like - manta wishperer, bird wishperer and all, and the spirit manta was called as memory whispered... that's why I thought it was canon
forest mom but even more angry
Then because of that we can now manipulate darkness
Sky: Children of Light and Dark
i think it would be cool if a new ending was added with the king/prince, or maybe even megabird themself
Sky: Finally Balanced, As All Things Should Be
If megabird is current today it is the orbit am i right?
no
What if Office Kid is the prince in disguise

Ohh
Office isn't in lore zone
What if Office Kid is the prince in disguise
@short owl
The prince became merchant
I used to think of the valley elders as some kind of royalty😅
Except office kid, for a short time, is OUTSIDE THE OFFICE
#general-sky-discussion
for office talkies
It puts them in legal lore zone tho
Are the valley elders trainers?
they’re athletes
Athletes responsible for the wellbeing of a whole city
So like trainers to like physical and mental attribute?
twin one: so like. the working class is kinda upset. what should we do ?
twin two: * rubs their brain cells together *
twin two: uh
twin two: let’s have a R A C E
I mean they do live in a territory where cold probably can be hostile
Racing means racers get exertion heat and the rest of the population huddles together
i think they've changed the nature of dark stone (if they're now the red crystals we see around eden), but they probably preserved some of the colouring concepts
@orchid crypt We think darkstone might be the "power diamonds" that we see in all the realms (and what the giant eden crystal is)
At first i thought the King was the Giant on the office
@brittle gust I LOVE THIS THEORY
Only when the remaining elders and spirits are summoned to Orbit will the king finally rest
@short owl actually, you joke but there's a good chance this may happen; we've been promised an ultimate ultimate reward for completing all the constellations
The giant on the office scares me
actually, you joke but there's a good chance this may happen; we've been promised an ultimate ultimate reward for completing all the constellations
@hollow pier really![]()
where did the devs say this

I always thought that anytime it will attack me
ohhh... Actually I thought that because, most of the sound call for kid are named like - manta wishperer, bird wishperer and all, and the spirit manta was called as memory whispered... that's why I thought it was canon
@hearty yoke I knowwww I wish all the text could be considered canonwe'd have more lore in this situation it's a really safe bet it's canon, we just can't know for sure shakes fist at vagueness, but also I love it
Wait I thought some people actually have finished all of them
yes some people have
@hearty yoke I knowwww I wish all the text could be considered canon :skycry: we'd have more lore in this situation it's a really safe bet it's canon, we just can't know for sure shakes fist at vagueness, but also I love it
@hollow pier I feel ya 😤😤😩✊
Sky: Finally Balanced, As All Things Should Be
@lethal stump
Or or Sky: Children of the Balance
i don’t think it’s been added yet
if they’re gonna do an ultimate ultimate, they haven’t added it yet
i bet itll have something to do with the friend constellation, The Light
What if the ultimate gift is darkness? 
skykid: i freed all you guys : D
elders: thanks ! have death
skykid: 
@lethal stump https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/583370574449999880/684173410787524624 beta spoiler about completing all the constellations
What if it's the light of the Prince, despetate to return to the only home they have ever known?
i feel bad for the prince
in my headcanon he was a dumb kid who got in way over his head and was corrupted by it

We are going to die once we finish all the constellations cause we are just borrowing light?
I mean we die and reborn but like die and just stay on orbit?
Maybe there will be a gift from a being of light who can't let go of horizon? We return a lot of spirits to orbit... But maybe not all want to stay
I would feed all my friends to krills for new eden area with lore
Come #lore-discussion-spoilers join me in eden 
ill passssssss

imma just
sit in orbit
and wait for my boi, the prince, to show up
@hollow pier fine but you get eaten first
I already went there recently sksksksk I’m not ready to die again XD
This is an acceptable compromise
i want him to be in game so badly
krill are just good bois who need hugs and snecks
We are the snacks

What if since the constellations are back and complete and infinite light is back, what if sky kids will be able to turn Light Kids?
What if the prince is the eden crystal
Like glowing
light kids ? like what happens when we’re ascending ?
What if the prince is the eden crystal
@short owl
The prince may be inside the crystal!!!!
« connected » ?
light kids ? like what happens when we’re ascending ?
@lethal stump
Yes!!!
The diamond is just a power source so idk why he'd be in there
thatd hurt my eyes more than white cape
@normal berry not in. Is.
Once again the eden diamond is a power source so he is prolly not the diamond
He is the power source... And is likely crying out for help
Maybe he covered himself with crystal?
he would literally need to be forged inside of one if that was possible
But is it me or the crystal is oddly shape? Like it shape like a diamond but has some missing parts on it.
it looks like a flower ngl
likely because it overloaded and blew up
Maybe he was crystalized to stop the spreading of darkness, so that only the eden was affected with the storm?
yea but there’s darkness in every realm except vault
if he was supposed to stop the spread of the darkness, it didn’t work very well
Or the darkness spread faster than desired. The storm seems to be receding, if slowly. If the storm is this bad when muffled, how bad would it be otherwise?
krills everywhere
Krills on Isle 
poor moffs—
I dont know if this has been brought up before, but
The Season of Sanctuary takes place in the Daylight Prarie, which, if memory serves, links up to childhood. Sanctuary, safety.
I was just flying through there when I realized something
The main island reminds me a bit of Neverland, a safe place for children who never want to grow up
it is an « escape from civilization » afterall
and two of the seasonal spirits look like kids
When u honk in Sanctuary Island theres no this
theres no goal in vacation, only to have fun !
and ignore the political collapse of the kingdom you live in
theres no goal in vacation, only to have fun !
@lethal stump
Yes yes that's why it's hard to make a lore out of it
My theory of this season
It's a family vacation
The quest giver and his wife the shell collector go on holiday with thier kids Thrillseeker, Whisperer and Bookworm
Along with the quest givers grouchy father-in-law, and sunbather brother-in-law
Which also explains why the upgraded grateful expression has a heart
Is the prince canon?
no, but the king is
implied
no, devs said hes canon iirc
well, some may think that the prince grew into the king, they might be separate, or if you’re a weirdo like me you think the king is actually a mech suit for the prince
Thanks. How do we know about the king? I’ve done Eden a few times and didn’t see anything...
hes not in-game like the other elders, he’s instead in art and statues around the realms
i want him to be in game tho * sobs*
@safe sequoia if you wanna play spot the king, there is 9 statues of him in GW, you just have to find them 
that should be a game
« find every mention of the king in sky »
Fun! Thanks!
king propaganda would be pleased
please the propaganda
i love how king propaganda has become a #lore-discussion-spoilers in-joke
What if in future update the King will show up and all the realms are now affected by the Corruption?
Halloween season krills everywhere but won't damage your light when you got attacked
Just push you everywhere hahaha
they hide inside building walls and strike you only if you are not looking
That is scary
Oooh, halloween season zombie sky kids(no light)
interesting
an entire area in GW filled with dark corrupted creatures scraped from the game
Can Corrupt king control dead(no light) sky kids?
WORM OFF THE STRING
What if all sky kids are corrupt, but just in a really friendly way?
an entire area in GW filled with dark cprrupted creatures scraped from the game
@mortal viper
That can be part of storyline where creatures now evolve and new creatures form due to corruption expanding and upgrading
an entire area in GW filled with dark corrupted creatures scraped from the game
With pich black clouds, pich black sky, polluted water, and krills comming out of the shadow
Can Corrupt king control dead(no light) sky kids?
@brittle gust No idea
I don't think he can even control the storm
Or he can, and is tossing rocks at us on purpose
king: this kid gotta be empty
king:
king: yEET
because we have been climbing his propaganda



we'd have more lore in this situation it's a really safe bet it's canon, we just can't know for sure shakes fist at vagueness, but also I love it
