#lore-discussion-spoilers
hushed sable
sly kestrel
Yes but I’m pretty sure u tried to ride them before
They have a wind aura around them
If this is there, wouldn’t it explain why u get knocked over when they hit u
gray bridge
oh yeah that
even if they don't have a physical body i guess it's the force/wind that really knocks you back
sly kestrel
From the back, u can actually get passed the wind aura, and fly straight through them
hushed sable
A wind aura huh you krills makin those huge gusts of winds in eden and throwing rocks at skykids
swift sable
Krills are air benders O.o
sly kestrel
Oh yes
🌬️
But anyways
They also maneuver through walls and physical objects as well
If they had a touchable body, they wouldn’t be able to fly through walls or go straight into the ground and pop backup without a problem
hushed sable
To be fair mantas do the same thing
sly kestrel
Yes I was about to get to that too
Light and dark creatures don’t have physical bodies, u can go through all of them and when u ride a manta, you have to float above them
hushed sable
krill are pure darkness and manta are pure light, so no physical aspect?
sly kestrel
So here’s my theory
The creatures are simply forms of light or dark that have a shape and are infused with life
And the neutral creatures are the ones we can touch
The whale, and the creatures at the graveyard
But
Crabs
hushed sable
I almost think that could be said for most of the creatures in sky
Being made out of light...
sly kestrel
I have a theory they were also neutral creatures , their natural form was the ones we see at the sanctuary islands
But when they have darknes, they become hostile
hushed sable
Yo I'm gonna head out. Have a good night
sly kestrel
Ight
icy pewter
brittle gust
Everything is diamond based
sly kestrel
Seems like I missed pines again
agile galleon
hushed steeple
Ktjn what happened
Why you burning
pearl void
So what's the topic now that the new season is here
agile galleon
mellow sable
so the only "lore" we got from sanctuary is that bells summon creatures of light into being
and that they can emerge not only from clouds, but from water as well
much like the jellyfish in forest
there's also new manta (?) species exclusive to the islands
like the first bell quest, I don't think we've seen those before
upper crescent
Manta fishes
@hushed steeple hol up thought they were birds
hushed steeple
You can see they're swimming and coming out from water in cutscene
tawdry star
Maybe they're just manta offspring. Maybe they start off their lifecycle from water and only move to the skys later!
hushed steeple
Yes sheorun there's one theory also says all creatures comes from water... Similar like in real life
tawdry star
As far from what I've seen of them so far for me it seems more plausible right now at least 😊
hushed steeple
It's also possible that those fishes are different specie then flying mantas as well
scarlet bison
I was under the impression they were baby mantas, until they started making bird noises
So I dunno what to think anymore
tawdry star
Yeah sure! It sure would be nice though if the sanctuary story was about the manta lifecycle 😍
hushed steeple
Maybe it's
scarlet bison
The last bell quest is going to hit beta eventually. We might get to see the biggest momma manta 
hushed steeple
Tho we can't spoil here about that
scarlet bison
True true, but I only speculate
When that time comes it won't leave the beta channel obvs
mellow sable
ooh it very well could be the manta life cycle
the final bell quest is in beta tomorow, I'll have to formulate my theories after that
tawdry star
It definitely would fit the soothing atmosphere of sanctuary!
mellow sable
or maybe it'll just be a krill, who knows
brittle gust
Then they will fight with giant manta
It will be the biggest update of sky hahahaha
merry pewter
Bossfight season with a giant krill that players too to work together to take down when? Haha.
Oh I have a bit of a lore question for yalls! We usually see those rock crab things in dark areas right? What are they doing in one of the most peaceful places in Sky right now?
Are they just crabs there cause crabs on a beach? I'm talking about the new sanctuary islands, what are they doing there?
brittle gust
What if New Beginning Season in which the Corruption now extend to all realms not just on wasteland, it is the time where biggest changes now occur on the Land of Sky, and it is now on the sky kids' hands to return the balance.
hearty bramble
Are they just crabs there cause crabs on a beach? I'm talking about the new sanctuary islands, what are they doing there?
Hmm, remember the little cavern in the forest? It is damp and have some water flooding in right? Perhaps crabs habitat are always around water I suppose? So if there is water, there's a chance of crabs lives there (Valley might not be counted because of the temperature)
brittle gust
Oooooh valley is the only realm that doesn't have crabs right?
hushed steeple
i don't remember seeing any in isle of dawn or eden
@orchid crypt there are crabs in eden as well^^
Btw it seems crabs were not hostile from beginning... They become hostile to us after darkness caught them...
orchid crypt
there are? i can't remember them at all, where are they there?
orchid crypt
oh right, the sludge, i keep forgetting about that
but yeah, it seems like crabs found in well-lit areas are actually pretty chill towards the sky kids -- the ones you find outside on sanctuary just go about their own business
hushed steeple
I've question about this symbol
orchid crypt
is that a symbol, or just missing tiles? though seems pretty neat for broken flooring
orchid crypt
hmm, that is the same pattern when you rotate it, yeah
hushed steeple
And it seems in prairie as well
orchid crypt
nothing's really coming to mind for me personally, it seems so random
hushed steeple
Hmm maybe I'm overthinking
orchid crypt
it looks too blocky/indistinct for me to recognise it as anything, though seeing the same kind of outline in multiple different places is definitely kinda distracting
hushed steeple
Or maybe king's face?
That button platform is more like the head of king's statue
Who knows
warm pagoda
Why did eden get destroyed that bad
brittle gust
I think its related to King's face shape
Diamond is the precious thing so for them the Kings is the precious
merry pewter
Thats an interesting bit about the crabs not being hostile, never knew that could happen. Whenever I saw crabs, they were always quite mean haha
clear jolt
i noticed in the old concept art, the prince is as tiny as our skykids. thats so cute
the entire king structure looks like a throne?
forest mama was once sassy xD
hushed steeple
And when prince became king
clear jolt
its like his tiny body is in the crystal haha
clear jolt
at first i thought it was his head too, but the black silhouette in the star is like his smol prince form
hushed steeple
Hmm interesting
brittle gust
What if the prince is the first child but has a flaw that makes him unique among the others
The flaw that the elders knew all along and one day it will cause devastation to the Land of Sky
magic stream
Sauron
hushed steeple
Any theories about the new season?
vague plover
I'm liking the new name for the king
I think I'll be here a little more considering the lore/story event!
finite falcon
Where was this king and stuff
brittle gust
They said that Sanctuary is the breeding place of manta or it shows evolution of manta
mystic moat
Well there are baby mantas
modest loom
i just realized the giant pillars near the battlefield gate are actually statues of the king 👉👈
gray bridge
ah so you found the king propaganda
brittle gust
Once you enter you can't go back
lethal stump
short owl
The ones in Eden that you can use to take shelter and recharge under in the unending storm are him as well
gray bridge
all this time i thought they were those return shrine replicas,,
short owl
Not the ones you light up in the pulsing storm
magic stream
The ones in Eden that you can use to take shelter and recharge under in the unending storm are him as well
@short owl which one? Isn't that home statue? Maybe i didnt paying attention
short owl
If you pay attention when you hit the unending storm, you may notice there are pillars
These pillars make areas where the unending storm kinda stops being.
short owl
If you have a friend, you can use this to recharge
hushed steeple
Those are more like of vault elder statue
The statue holding a diamond in it's hand
magic stream
Oh yeah, what/who is that statues btw, these atatues only found in Eden and Ascent
short owl
I will take a closer look when edening next time then
magic stream
Kinda creepy looking
hushed steeple
Here's the pic of one in ascent
I'm sure this one and those in eye of eden are Same
magic stream
That's one creepy mask/face
gray bridge
it doesn't have the three diamonds that point to the king though
so yeah like mio said it's probably just some person from vault
magic stream
Its doesnt has any symbol or pattern either...just plain grey statue
trim vale
A statue of someone important or smth
gray bridge
maybe, i guess they would be important enough to have multiple same gigantic statues
(i forgot lol is there multiple of that statue)
but still, it looks a little too plain other than the diamond and that gigantic hat
trim vale
Maybe its a high ranking teacher or scholar
hushed steeple
Eye of eden statue
gray bridge
oooo yeah, the part of the hat just got snapped off
hushed steeple
Excuse my bad English all
gray bridge
it's fine 
magic stream
If I remember correctly, old concept doesnt has any design similar to these statues
I cant remember seeing these statues design/shape anywhere
hushed steeple
I'm curious what some of these statues have on their back
Those Ascent one also have this
gray bridge
the one in ascent looks like part of the sun(?) shields
magic stream
I think these statues thing never been mentioned in any theories? Right?
gray bridge
i think it's been discussed before but there's no actual theories about them
hushed steeple
magic stream
Im listening
magic stream
This topic so rarely being discussed i think, this's my first time talking about it
Tho ive been curious about these statues for some times now
hushed steeple
hushed steeple
Immortal glitch
Only 2 Time I've did it
gray bridge
the circle things on the statues backs are apparently wings
gray bridge
hushed steeple
Hmm very interesting
gray bridge
probably not sent in order because it was tedious to get all that on mobile 
magic stream
Next time go to Ascent I'll try to look closely at the back thing again
hushed steeple
It works well res... Thanks for sharing
lilac stone
What if all the wings we found along the world belonged to these stone kids?
short owl
That could suggest that either sending children of light home used to be a job for specific ranked individuals... Or not sending them home was normal for specific high ranked individuals
magic stream
What if all the wings we found along the world belonged to these stone kids?
@lilac stone maybe, but its hard to connect this to other theories
gray bridge
yeah, i think the statue is a whole separate theory on its own lol
magic stream
That could suggest that either sending children of light home used to be a job for specific ranked individuals... Or not sending them home was normal for specific high ranked individuals
@short owl but if we assumed this statues or person/figure that inspired this statues exist before Eden's downfall, then there is children of light even before that?
lilac stone
What if the statue was the stone king himself and we watched him perish before our own eyes?
gray bridge
no, the king is a completely different entity
lilac stone
So??
short owl
My theory of the Eden Crystal being intended to create a light elevator would fit relatively well. You would have two groups: the stone kids, who were intended to join the light stream on their own, and the collected kids, who were expected to catch a ride with ambasadorial figures who would be making the trip to Orbit
lilac stone
@short owl but if we assumed this statues or person/figure that inspired this statues exist before Eden's downfall, then there is children of light even before that?
@magic stream yeah, seen the firework ts?
Also the hands on hip stance spirit's apprentice
At the end when we break free, we see a couple of kids also joining us?
hushed steeple
Ye those are fallen kids
short owl
But those kids look more like spirits than the falllen kids we are used to seeing. Even after Eden, the kids look much different from spirits
magic stream
Also the hands on hip stance spirit's apprentice
@lilac stone i think the little spirit was a same spirit person, but a child...not Children of Light like us
But those kids look more like spirits than the falllen kids we are used to seeing. Even after Eden, the kids look much different from spirits
@short owl those we save during Eden? I think those are the smae kids like our Skykid
short owl
Also notibly not spirit children, if I may point out
magic stream
Maybe as previous discussion about these statues, those are some kinda scholar or high ranked figures that only found in Eden (before it's downfall). Some kinda special job only few chosen by the King?
gray bridge
perhaps
hushed steeple
Builder of powered diamond?
gray bridge
the wings on their backs are similar to the symbol affiliated to the child of light (in intro) + flame/gods/elders(???) (murals)
hushed steeple
you all are so observant
magic stream
the wings on their backs are similar to the symbol affiliated to the child of light (in intro) + flame/gods/elders(???) (murals)
@gray bridge I need to have better refference about its shape to look at...I'll try to get the full view of those backpack thing when I do Eden again
The one in Eden fall down before we get to close
gray bridge
yeahh
it seems that it's split into two(?) or multiple parts from ginsy's vid, but it looks like the wings make up a spherical shape
i can check the murals in isle
magic stream
@hushed steeple This channel full of Private Detectives 😂
gray bridge
if there was a phd/any degree for sky lore i think we'd take it
hushed sable
the wings on their backs are similar to the symbol affiliated to the child of light (in intro) + flame/gods/elders(???) (murals)
@gray bridge the things on their back also make me think of the wings on the sky kid mural in the opening
hushed steeple
Hm I remember that .. similar
gray bridge
more spams incoming
screenshots from intro
perhaps the vault scholars were those who harnessed the light or something with those circle thingies on their backs
hushed steeple
Try look the pictures from bottom to top
gray bridge
ahh i forgot about this one oops
i was gonna say the elders perhaps brought light down with them to the kingdom of sky where there was only darkness, but it's stated that light was infinite as well so ehhh
hushed steeple
I have been thinking about this fo a long time. So do all the elders in sky kingdom have official names or do they have like international names? I think I once heard wasteland elder was named Tsadi??? Im not sure
hushed steeple
#lore-discussion-spoilers message
Elder names
Not cannon tho
Thank you anywayy!! ❤️
magic stream
Now that i carefully read the intro subtitle...i realize that when Narrator talked about Darkness...the Elder stars didn't fell yet
Some kinda Darkness made the Elders fell
hushed steeple
I do wonder if our old home is orbit
"....Bring our lost star home"
Lost star=elders then home is probably orbit
We bring them together when we receive the ultimate gifts from them
hushed sable
I notice the spirits in the murals were praying, and then celebrate when the stars fell
Maybe they were worshiping the elders long before they fell
hushed steeple
Those are land people?
gray bridge
that why i thought maybe the ancestors were in the darkness at first
hushed sable
Yes
gray bridge
i think the elders introduced the concept of light to the ancestors
hushed sable
I think the land people were a more neutral entity before
gray bridge
also, could the darkness mentioned in intro have been caused by the elders losing their connection to each other? was this on accident or on purpose? was this darkness an external force? find out next time on dragon ball z sky: children of the light
hushed steeple
🐉 🏀 Z
hushed sable
Darkness and light both have always existed in the world of sky..
Maybe they were needed below because the darkness came
So they fell to help the spirits
hushed steeple
Hm makes sense
hushed sable
But messed up with the original goal super badly
magic stream
Now that you mentioned about some kinda Force of Darkness...if the theories about Megabird existance was right, it's possible that we have the same Galaxy size entity made of pure Darkness?
hushed steeple
Hm it'll also can tell us from where krills came
hushed sable
Krill just came with the darkness, like how mantas (and the like) come with the light
hushed steeple
From where darkness came
We know the source of light (megabirb)
gray bridge
yes that could be a possibility, because i do think balance is one of the themes played around with(?) in sky
hushed steeple
Ah fair when light creatures dies unnaturally they produce darkness
gray bridge
i'm confused though, in intro it's stated that light was infinite
and darkness only came afterwards
gray bridge
so is it really naturally-occurring, like did it come on its own or did something trigger it to come
yall can continue because i gotta take my meds and finish up my work, good night/morning/afternoon!
hushed steeple
Bye res have a great day
magic stream
It seems before the Narrator begin to talked about "Darkness came..." the stars seems to lost their connection first right?
Then the Darkness came...and so on
hushed steeple
With the stars united, our light was infinite.
But darkness came, and the stars fell...
Together, the fallen stars made a new home in the clouds.
If only they had listened...
A long time has passed. Now, I call to you.
Wake up, child. Bring our lost stars home.
mortal viper
You people don't sneep... How am I suposed to read almost 10 hours worth of messages?!
hushed steeple
Bring popcorn and start reading
That's what i do
magic stream
I go to this channel to help me go to sleep...lol 😅
clear jolt
"the stars fell" does it refer to the elders?
magic stream
From that scene, before the Darkness came... the stars already lost their unity/connection
short owl
Forest elder snatched it all
magic stream
And from the way the Narrator mention it...the Darkness only caused the stars to fell
mortal viper
Bring popcorn and start reading
That's what i do
@hushed steeple I can't believe I lost all that talking about krills
short owl
Actually can I bring up home for a sec?
The picture shows the constilations only connected to eachother through a single route - through a single individual. The whole thing was vulnerable from the start. In Horizon, the lands are all connected through home, but that's not the only path from say, Isle to forest. You could swing home or go through prarie. That's two paths rather than one.
Until Valley, you can also go backwards. Can probably still manage it if you haven't run a race yet.
Well... you can't, but in theory
mortal viper
The game won't let you back in the cloud tunell
hushed steeple
But don't know about ancestors
hushed steeple
Ah while talking about valley I've a question about those race starting rooms
short owl
The ancestors probably can.
This means that one person being lost doesn't sever everyone, just that one.
This may also explain the new throne room - the elders may have realized that relying on only one person to connect them led to their downfall
So they built a system where the best can lead, but the remaining can remain connected
mortal viper
Imagine if the elders fell because the king was the one that lost conection to the light?
mortal viper
one has red flags
hushed steeple
Yes
mortal viper
the other only blue onez
hushed steeple
Even the elder room has blue flags only
*temple
And stadium has giant red flags
mortal viper
maybe the flying race is supposed to be played in teams?
lost oasis
could i bring up how the arena looked before global relese?
mortal viper
yes
lost oasis
in beta, those rooms and the diffrent sides were diffrent teams, where you decided to sit was he team you were in
there was red and blue
i think it changed cape color to the team too temporarily
so it was a team sort of thing
hushed steeple
I've to watch old beta walkthrough again
lost oasis
i saw a photo album with that stuff on imgur
short owl
That sounds fun but I can see how competition may fit poorly with the other themes
lost oasis
yeah
lost oasis
okay ive actually found the photo album for old valley
hushed steeple
1 candle
lost oasis
not sure if i can send links in chat tho
hushed steeple
Thank you
swift helm
What if we dont have any random player to start the race?
lost oasis
no clue, id geuss youd just wait for one
or maybe it was doable alone
i wasnt around for the beta so i couldnt give you a 100% sure statement
swift helm
Its fine
hushed steeple
Beta had some cool stuffs😔 🤜
short owl
Kinda wish there was a way to explore beta world
lethal stump
i wish we had the option to play beta
lost oasis
yeah but it would have been really hard to maintain both
short owl
I know that many things are better in live
lethal stump
tru
lost oasis
i think you also used to not get a cape at all until next level and had to ride in skyboats
short owl
The controls were apparently rough
surreal helm
Isle - Tandi/Tsadi
Prarie - Aplin/Aylin
Forest - Teth/Tet
Valley Kakashi Twin - Alef/Alet
Valley Dora Twin - Daleth/ Dalet
Wasteland Battlebraids - Lamed (or Caleb as some people translated)
Vault- Samekh
(from one of the earlier messages in this channel, forgot who sent oops)
Interesting that these names are Hebrew alefbet/alphabet... Tsadi (צ), ayin (ע), tet (ט), alef (א), dalet (ד), lamed (ל), and samekh (ס)... Anyway back to lurking ahahaha
short owl
Sometimes tho I do flick runs bc I can
lost oasis
you could only move in flicks
short owl
I saw some intent in Tara's Memories to connect people via location
hushed steeple
@surreal helm someone gave a theory on that someday ago
short owl
I am soooo glad that idea got sctapped
hushed steeple
Tera* null?
short owl
... Probably yeah
hushed steeple
Btw@surreal helm why lurking join us... Feel free to talk here
lethal stump
@surreal helm im pretty sure it’s
isle: Daleth
Pairie: Ayin
Forest: Teth
Valley: Samekh
Wasteland: Tsadi
Vault: Lamed
Eden/Prince/King: Alef (prince)/Resh (king)
these names are seen in the concept art, beside their respective characters uwu
swift helm
Valley twins have the same name👀
lethal stump
afaik yes
hushed steeple
#lore-discussion-spoilers message
Here's the meaning of those names in Hebrew
brittle gust
I think its not the any of the elders fault why the connection between them and the King vanish, what if it was the King's fault?
I mean King and the Prince are one right?
hushed steeple
The mural says darkness came and stars fall
short owl
I still subscribe to the idea that it was a case of all involved had good intentions
brittle gust
Prince may be the first Child of light, and not as perfect as the other childs and has flaws which consider him as unique, but what if the darkness is the King's flaw when he was created?
hushed steeple
Dunno
in mural we can see prince/king didn't fell from old home
Maybe darkness caught him
There're 2 king ?
brittle gust
He didn't fell cause he didnt want the other locations to be corrupted as well
Only 1
The elders didn't fell actually they were sent down
hushed steeple
Hmm
With the stars united, our light was infinite.
But darkness came, and the stars fell...
Together, the fallen stars made a new home in the clouds.
If only they had listened...
A long time has passed. Now, I call to you.
Wake up, child. Bring our lost stars home.
short owl
If the elders were sent, maybe they weren't the stars that fell
hushed steeple
"stars fell"
short owl
They may have been stars that came to make sure fallen stars were okay
hushed steeple
The elders may be the stars
Wait it's confirmed by devs that the fallen stars in intro are elders
To bring the elders home
short owl
Brought members of their kingdom and abandoned the light bird to save the kids
brittle gust
I mean they are the ultimate of each constellations
hushed steeple
That's the child task
short owl
I thought it was confirmed that the eldets were the stars in the mural
hushed steeple
It's
short owl
Not nessasarily the ones whom fell
hushed steeple
short owl
If other stars were falling, and you had a piece of a kingdom that wanted to go help them, you might take your people down to ensure the fallen are taken care of
Abandoning those who you used to follow in the process
Especially if your people had the skills to sustain the population
hushed steeple
I think people (ancestors) lived in ground from beginning
It's the only elders who fell
short owl
There are too many sky children for it to have been only the elders
brittle gust
There were different dialouges
short owl
*light children
hushed steeple
The 1st One from old beta I guess
"Darkness blinds so I cast them away"
Very interesting
short owl
Hmm... Maybe they both can be correct.
The narrator was binded by fear, so the elders left and traveled to Horizon
brittle gust
The narrator might be the king?
spring blaze
maybe thats why the king stayed higher up?
brittle gust
Megabird is the orbit
short owl
When the light children fell, the elders wanted to help. When leader said not to, the elders left.
brittle gust
Old home is inbetween eden and orbit
short owl
This would also count as a fall from power
hushed steeple
Old home is inbetween eden and orbit
@brittle gust I don't think so... That was build after stars fell
Intro
brittle gust
The old home is there already it was destroyed when darkness came
hushed steeple
or the narrator sees the darkness blinds a storm happened and the stars fell
brittle gust
What is the purpose of Eden before the corruption occur?
lethal stump
imo narrator is megabird who cast the elders from orbit for being sinful
brittle gust
Then what is King?
short owl
But the elders didn't care about power as much as the fallen, so they made themselves leaders of a recovery effort. Forest elder worked in raw resources and technology. Prarie in food and other essentials. Wasteland in mass production of goods needed. Vault in research. Valley in administration, some (lower) level of education, and maybe medical? Then Eden was likely where they were working on the experimental technology. If Eden is the highest point, it would be the best place to try to launch people to the stars
hushed steeple
King went brrrr
short owl
Sorry took time to type
lethal stump
i equate him with Lucifer. He was kicked out before the other elders
hushed steeple
Maybe They tried to go back home from eden
We skykids fullfil their wish
"Wake up child, bring our lost stars home"
brittle gust
If the narrator is Megabird wouldn't the mural draw like Megabird instead?
lethal stump
wdym ?
brittle gust
The one in the center of mural is human figure and megabird is like well bird but majestic
lethal stump
how do we know the person in the centre is the narrator ?
hushed steeple
What if they made that powered diamond to go back their old home... Like a giant elevator powered by eden diamond
brittle gust
Well the person in the mural sent the stars away as well as the narrator
short owl
There is a "god takes human form" trope that could alternatively be in play
teal sage
did the crying spirit's friend die from darkness?
short owl
Admittedly it wouldn't be human form, but otherwise
@teal sage l4 
Oh no... Horrible idea...
Think of how long the manta was stuck for...
How long does death by dark plant take
brittle gust
But in the intro the Human Figure on the mural went down as well
There are 7 tails of light going down
And Seven castles were created once they went down
I think because of the corruption already on King he went down as well to avoid tainting the Orbit, he went to an area where he can touch the ground and reach the sky
I think that's the Eden is
I think Megarbird is a place where lights are stored and is ruled by the King with his Stars
How come?
Megabird is actually Orbit
hushed steeple
There are 7 tails of light going down
@brittle gust not really
brittle gust
Why tho it is in the picture that 7 trails of light falling down
brittle gust
But there is a middle trail of light as well
delicate coral
Yes, after the trails go through the clouds there is another one
That’s how it’s inconsistent
brittle gust
The trail is late
open bridge
Or it was already among the clouds
delicate coral
If the king fell with the stars, why does the imagery representing him change?
open bridge
Maybe the lines aren't actually stars but metaphors
delicate coral
Before they fall it’s the human figure, and afterwards it’s just the symbol around the king’s head
open bridge
The clouds are maybe the space between life and death, and when the stars fell that additional line is the lesson they've learned
But that's far fetched
delicate coral
Perhaps the opposite is true?
The next line in the intro is “if only they had listened”. To me that means that they didn’t listen to what the king was trying to teach them by casting them down.
So perhaps Eden was constructed with the king in mind (hence his symbol being there in the mural), and was intended to make the elders powerful enough to become stars again?
So their pursuit of power, represented by appropriating the king’s symbol, and enacted by constructing Eden, was what led to their downfall
But if your thinking was far-fetched mine is probably equally far-fetched
fiery dock
I'd imagine this has already been brought up and spoken about. I read some of the cannon stuff and would like to read more.
I was observing what people wrote about the first murals. What if the original beings of the world included skychildren as a species of light. Like mantas and other creatures. The spirits whom have come down are considered "deities" the creatures of light including sky kids look up to and worship. Makes me wonder if when the stars fell. They have become not part of the gods or goddesses or higher beings but more human hence their life and development on the islands. To then perish and our job as followers is to assist them and find their beginning.
But this also makes me question traveling spirits and seasonal spirits as it looks like a larger civilization going on and not only sky kids running around everywhere. However they could also have been disciples of the elder stars. And have expanded a new life after following
mortal viper
it was said in canon lore that spirits, elders and the kids are different species
fiery dock
thats as far as I do know
are all three different species then?
or are spirits and elders along the same line
as they are designed in similar ways
It makes me think that all of the spirits and elders were stars. The elders being a brighter star with spirits under their constellation as its all connected in a way.
Elders fall to the land and the followers of the constellation join in pursuit.
as well ye
hushed steeple
I think sky kids could be something derived from the king
fiery dock
hmmmm owo elaborate more Im interested
I was thinking sky kids are like creatures like jellyfish, manta, whales, more
just look more humanoid
hushed steeple
I'm not sure about it ,but they could be like somecreatures born from the kings regret/repentance(if that exists), to atleast save the rest of the spirits, earlier someone had this theory too
mortal viper
or animated pieces of his soul after eden blew up
delicate coral
Why do we think that the king regretted sending the elders down?
mortal viper
not anymore I think
fiery dock
dang
if it was more cannon it
fits some ideas pretty well
explaining why sky kids are a in between of the creatures and the spirits
a bridge
hushed steeple
Why do we think that the king regretted sending the elders down?
@delicate coral
I think maybe because it didn't end well for them
fiery dock
Hm, maybe he sent them down for a goal of spreading some kind of knowledge and bring forth advancements in life.
and they ultimately became the end of themselves
regretting that they had given in to the darkness aka sins of life.
greed, sloth, etc
peak ore
oo the seven deadly sins
fiery dock
I thoughtt hat too ahhhh
turbid spade
There are seven realms indeed
fiery dock
but it would be interesting if each elder gave in to a specific sin in their lives but
peak ore
maybe each realms represent each "sin"
fiery dock
because of this the king has regretted the decision of sending them down with their followers
peak ore
we said the same thing just different wording,,,
mortal viper
Hm, maybe he sent them down for a goal of spreading some kind of knowledge and bring forth advancements in life.
@fiery dock That wouldn't match the "darkness came and stars fell" part
lethal stump
i have a seven deadly sins headcanon too
fiery dock
it might make sense if
peak ore
where the darkness come from tho
delicate coral
I think if we assume that the king is the narrator in the intro (which, I am aware, is a very big assumption), then it wouldn’t be too wild to assume that he actually is not remorseful for sending them down. In the IGN version of the intro, the narrator says “But darkness blinds, so I cast them away”. I think this does somewhat point to the king being the narrator. In this case, where he says “But they did not listen”, it would be condemning the elders, not showing guilt at casting them away.
fiery dock
and becoming interested in the lower realms they have fallen
mortal viper
But King is Eden's Elder
delicate coral
Not necessarily
spring blaze
in the concept arts the prince grew up to be the king
fiery dock
oo got i got it
peak ore
princes are technically to be king so
spring blaze
its confirmed that there was an eden elder
delicate coral
How canon is that concept art?
fiery dock
true true
delicate coral
At all?
fiery dock
its difficult to say I did read it was just concept
spring blaze
we dont know if its canon so its just a theory
mortal viper
and becoming interested in the lower realms they have fallen
@fiery dock I like this theory. It does match a lot of other mythologies where gods interfere in te afairs of men and make a mess out of it
delicate coral
Oh okay
fiery dock
yeeee
spring blaze
theres a theory where the king we have in lore rn is the prince who grew up
delicate coral
I’ve been thinking that there’s actually no elder for Eden.
I think Eden was built by the elders to gain enough power to become stars again, but it was built with the king’s likeness in mind
peak ore
no elder but more of the ruler maybe ¿
hushed steeple
Isn't Eden " the holy land"?
delicate coral
I was thinking it was just a cooperative effort by the elders
fiery dock
To put it all together. My theory would be.
The king could be one with the brightest star and still remains the brightest.
He has his chosen partners and those partners have followers.
Each elder has fallen because of their curiosity for the life on land. Has since fell due to interfering. They then become more and more human themselves. Living life and eventually perishing in what they have created.
The Sky kids being their bridge to becoming the stars once more, harbor light like all creatures but can also communicate like humans. Because their role is to be a messenger, a bridge. ||They are a messenger who delivers light to their companions stuck in Eden. To then further continue the process like all creatures. Rebirth and relive.||
mortal viper
@fiery dock I like this theory. It does match a lot of other mythologies where gods interfere in te afairs of men and make a mess out of it
Or even worse, medle in the affairs of gods and get kicked out
peak ore
y'all smartpants for thinking up such theories LMAO i think of absolutely nothing
mortal viper
I’ve been thinking that there’s actually no elder for Eden.
@delicate coral From the introcuction it apears we had 7 elders, even though we don't clearly know where eden's came from since it just pops out of nowhere
y'all smartpants for thinking up such theories LMAO i think of absolutely nothing
@peak ore To me it is 99% crazyness and 1% logic
delicate coral
Yes I’d like to redact my statement
peak ore
HAHA but I find it genuinely interesting, I love seeing people's ideas of the lore
hushed steeple
Nobody:
Me: crabs and krills are arthropods hence related
fiery dock
and finish reading the other cannon stuff
delicate coral
The google doc with the canon stuff specifically says that there ‘was an Eden elder, but he’s not around to be saved anymore’
mortal viper
there we go finished typing lol
@fiery dock there is one for theories
check the pins
fiery dock
oo! is it one we can paste stuff in or mainly for reading
peak ore
you can paste in stuff i think
peak ore
never tried it so not sure :^
mortal viper
and have to wait for it to be aproved, as I am
fiery dock
Im super excited
I wanna share mine in more places now. but ill read more first to see if it supports all cannon lore
mortal viper
you just have to place it under the correct topic and then put your discord tag with the number and the theory
fiery dock
oo! okii
delicate coral
What’s between Eden and orbit?
mortal viper
Blown up pieces of Eden
fiery dock
Ascension in a more spiritual context is how I see it
mortal viper
the top half of the palace is floating above eden
hushed steeple
50+ new msg within 2 minutes
mortal viper
XDDDD
grab the popcorn
I think I'll go through eden today. Yall got me curious about the assention landscape and now I need to explore it
hushed steeple
@mortal viper buddy I'm thinking to go there as well....
fiery dock
I need to play through all of the islands and find hidden secrets to analyze and interpret for my growing theory loo
delicate coral
Well I was thinking that, since the Eden elder’s trail in the intro originates between the stars and Eden, that there might be a clue of his origin there
mortal viper
@hushed steeple Let's go together or you would rater compare notes later?
hushed steeple
Let's go together
fiery dock
I'd love to hop in but @ me when you finish! I'd love to read them
delicate coral
But I just watched the sequence on YouTube and there doesn’t seem to be anything noteworthy there
It kinda just goes from the collapsing kingdoms straight to the top of Eden in orbit from what I can see
short owl
Did you guys know you can turn around and return to the darkness?
forest dragon
Are these related in any way?
short owl
When you become all glow after Eden?
forest dragon
Ah
mortal viper
All soldiers masks are
I made a chart with the masks and their relation to jobs according to the spirits using them
It’s not canon
Juts my theory
fiery dock
when reading the hints
The forest elder mask is a representation of a possible king head. as stated in lore hints
I was wondering if there would be a familial connection between forest elder and the king
would be fun to read up on
but also power stones too
a lot of it is about diamond shapes
It's entirely possible they carved diamond shapes because of their beloved king.
short owl
This season introduced an intetrsting concept. This week, and probably following weeks, we found a broken bell containing a memory of it ringing. Does this mean objects have memories?
fiery dock
The game comes off very spiritual. I wouldn't be surprised if it does!
many people say that vases and jars have memories
vibrations and hollowness contain the memories of people who have spoken near it
I've also heard wood does too
short owl
The bells also start off dark before the memories are restored
I acknowledge that there is a bunch of potentially missing context... But I'm wondering if that's not unrelated
Maybe dark creatures also have missing memories?
The other crabs don't always seem to have darkness until you flip them
Also they tend to pick up a lot of darkness when you cook them
🔥
... In my defense, cooking doesn't kill them
And like... I still don't have answer as to why we can cary them
normal berry
ok so do the scrolls in the boat at home and bookworm spirit both imply the existence of paper in sky?
spring blaze
guess so
agile galleon
not everything—especially mechanics that are meant to be fun—have or need ties to lore.
cobalt palm
No reason why we can't still speculate 
short owl
It's also fun to neatly tie in things that shouldn't fit
cobalt palm
My thoughts on the bells are like the bells in prairie towers start dark until the candles below them are lit, then they become golden, maybe the shine on the bells are restoration. I would like to work the ghost bells into that theory, possibly they are our memory of how we restore the broken bells back to the tower in sanctuary
I need to check in forest again too.
agile galleon
I'm referring to holding and 'cooking' crabs. Our gameplay engineer did that for fun.
candid wave
Really wondering how the sunglasses cosmetic relates to the lore... Do they exist to protect the wearer from UV... or others from the light that the sky kids emit??!!
I think that we need to find the compound used in the lenses to fully understand....
Anyone have any info on that?
Think about it, NO other spirits (that I am aware of) have sunglasses....
Must be some sort of weapon maybe???
Too dangerous in the hands of the regular spirits??
Who knows.......
verbal wyvern
guys- so I was looking at this skeleton right?
hearty bramble
Actually, if we put our mind to a simpler way of thinking, I think sunglasses are just there to fits the theme of summer? :'D
Just like how Ktjn said about why we can hold and cook crabs, it's intention is just for fun, I was thinking sunglasses doesn't really have any role on the Lore, it was just added to fit the theme of summer vacation :'D
verbal wyvern
hearty bramble
Mhm?
verbal wyvern
its skull is perfectly split in half
that means either theres a spirit strong enough to do that, or it has some sort of function to open its skull
and I dont like either cause how the hecc do you do that-
hearty bramble
Yes, I noticed it too ;;
cobalt palm
I imagined it was crashing into the building head on
Though the shocked spirit does have a bow and arrow, so who knows
hearty bramble
Now if I think about it, this skeleton resembles more of a Krill in my mind, judging from the points horn and one hole for eye(?), but it gave you whale voice
verbal wyvern
but krill are more slim
hearty bramble
Maybe a whale was actually the one who did it?
verbal wyvern
idk.. it seems like a mix between a krill and crab
hearty bramble
but krill are more slim
Hmm, you got the point..
verbal wyvern
the mask also seems to be reminiscent of that skeleton..
I think its a completely other creature, unless its maybe that giant fish in the cave part of the forest?
idk, it seems super cool to me tho
inland folio
This skele also resembles the one in vault right?
verbal wyvern
true!
hearty bramble
Ah does it? :'D
inland folio
the spine
hearty bramble
I remember the head have a slightly different shape tho
verbal wyvern
the skeletons in vault seem absolutely huge, maybe even bigger than the giant fish
cobalt palm
Ah "dismayed hunter" is the spirit with bow and arrows
hearty bramble
O h wait yeah !
inland folio
but whales are mammals and fish are not nvm
fiery dock
the skeleton is a whale
verbal wyvern
it would make sense, cause you wouldnt just have one single type of fish/whale right?
fiery dock
fiery dock
you can see the head shape :3
hearty bramble
Oooh !
fiery dock
yeye
verbal wyvern
fiery dock
verbal wyvern
h m m
fiery dock
there you go for closer comparison
verbal wyvern
yeah that looks like it
fiery dock
;; man I adore this channel Lore too cool to not invest time in and to think about
verbal wyvern
xD
verbal wyvern
the only thi nhg that bother me is the skeleton looks a lot more.. sharp
fiery dock
well it is the bone
fiery dock
there would be layers of flesh and muscle
to soften it up
and it could also be the
jaw power in the whale when needing food to survive
verbal wyvern
hm.. I think its def a whale, but may not be the same type of whale?
hearty bramble
So, there are two whales before, but only one survived and we see it in the underground cave in the forest, the Border between Valley and Wasteland then we can also meet it during ascension
fiery dock
it would be interesting if
verbal wyvern
mhm
fiery dock
the whales we meet survived off of a different
food source
than the ones that passed away
fiery dock
pffff true
sly kestrel
I think it’s jus one whale moving
verbal wyvern
but yeah- W A I T
hearty bramble
Food source eh?
Now that you mentioned it
sly kestrel
Rather then multiple whales
hearty bramble
We children never really eats anything 😂
fiery dock
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
verbal wyvern
cause the one in ascension just bashes its head into the pillar
verbal wyvern
so maybe that has to do with the skull?
fiery dock
thats p funny not gonna lie :'3
verbal wyvern
and no I dont want the children to have mouths-
fiery dock
the children are fine as is!
verbal wyvern
mhm
hearty bramble
Yes 😂
hearty bramble
Let them just h omk
sly kestrel
I’m way too lazy to backread 500+ messages
What are u guys talking about?
sly kestrel
I love whales
hearty bramble
From Kings to whales
fiery dock
i didnt even back read lol
I was def here to speak about the role of the sky kid and reasons for stars falling and becoming more human
but then went out for lunch
sly kestrel
Most of the time I do
But if it’s 500+ then yeah I have to skip 😂
hearty bramble
I have just finished back reading 😂
Help, my eyes--
verbal wyvern
look at the emojis
sly kestrel
More human....wdym by that
sly kestrel
U must be new
verbal wyvern
its different-
hushed steeple
Who chanting?
King?
verbal wyvern
im confusion
sly kestrel
I think those are jus the voices of the spirits amio
And yeah those have been there
It’s more of a fun joke that this discord server has
fiery dock
ye
fiery dock
so when I say more "human"
verbal wyvern
oH N O
hushed steeple
I think those are jus the voices of the spirits amio
@sly kestrel that's so scary jay
hearty bramble
T h ose voices
fiery dock
I had the thought that what if the elders came down from being stars into beings because they interfered with the world below
sly kestrel
Yeah, wear headphones they are pretty creepy
fiery dock
and hve become absorbed in by the 7 sins
verbal wyvern
verbal wyvern
what are these?
hushed steeple
Sticker
verbal wyvern
ik but like what creature is that..
sly kestrel
Numbles u might have to go into #general-sky-discussion if u jus wanna talk about stickers
It’s a krill
Passive and angry
sly kestrel
no
verbal wyvern
xD
hushed steeple
Ah jay you asked what about we were talking... So I'm putting this again for you... What the statue has on its back?
sly kestrel
There’s a lot of statues like that in eden but there’s a clear one in orbit so u can see the back thingy
Idk what it is tbh
I never much looked into it
hearty bramble
You know, I always thought the darkness that the narrator mentioned before the stars fell are most likely are,, like not literal darkness?
As if darkness means as greed or smth related to it?
sly kestrel
BUT GUYS WE GOT OUR PRAIRE DOC LES GOOOOO
hushed steeple
👀
mortal viper
??
hushed steeple
🏎️
sly kestrel
I saw praire and I was like OOOHHH PRAIRE DOC
hearty bramble
Idk what it is tbh
I never much looked into it
It doesnt look very clear too because of the mist(?) Though, so it does kind of hard to see :'D
sly kestrel
amio
hushed steeple
?
sly kestrel
I’ll go to eden for u
hushed steeple
@sly kestrel we just went there bruh... We could go there together
mortal viper
I think I could try to draw it
sly kestrel
Too bad it’s covered and clipped in STONE
hushed steeple
There are king statue as well in orbit👀
hearty bramble
I was like
"Wait, doesn't that looks like it was being merged with the s t one?"
O h !
sly kestrel
I wouldn’t say king statues tho
mortal viper
Propaganda head
sly kestrel
To me they look like scholars or simply higher ppl
hushed steeple
This buddy
hearty bramble
Could be yes
sly kestrel
Yeah that’s a king statue
hearty bramble
Oh right !
hearty bramble
Also have you ever thought whose castle it was that was falling apart during ascension? Could it be the king's palace tho?
mortal viper
Yes
hearty bramble
Ah.. It could be yes, we did see the statues in Eden too
Then the castle is s p litted in h a l f?
Because of that crystal? Squints
fiery dock
oo I was curious. Do sky kids sleep at home or would everyone's sky kid make shelter in some of the realms ;3 even tho home is where we hang out a lot
hushed steeple
Any theory about this alien?
fiery dock
sky kid being pushed back by rock
but lost all light
and solidified in this pose
feels bad
mortal viper
What about the cristals?
hearty bramble
But they have some crystal growing around them though?
mortal viper
We don’t see them in eden statues
fiery dock
hmm
hearty bramble
Mhm
mortal viper
But they have some crystal growing around them though?
@hearty bramble in them
hearty bramble
Yes in them
fiery dock
unsure! would need deep thought
hearty bramble
Weirdly the crystals are blue, not red
hearty bramble
Now I'm not sure if Eden are cold or not but yes! I was about to say that x'D
Frozen,,
hearty bramble
They didn't make it to Lit the torch and freezed?
But they do still have physical bodies though, I'm not sure if spirits can be Frozen or not x'D
hushed steeple
Oh man just realized those are from old beta eden
hearty bramble
Wait, isnt it still there if we go to Eden again? Or did the crystal is gone now and it changed to like the stone children at the Eden?
mortal viper
ok, this is what I think is on the back of the statues based on the pics we took
hushed steeple
#lore-discussion-spoilers message check this
hearty bramble
I think I remember they do still have the crystal detail, but I'm not very sure :'D
mortal viper
now I have to go, but I will come back later
stark rose
Wow
uneven blaze
I can see the elders from here 
agile galleon
Sanctuary is a little different, we wanted to create a getaway vacation experience because so many of us have been in lockdown for many, many months. Not everything is necessarily official canon for this season. Though that can be applied to any season. Sometimes we need to break the fourth wall a bit to create good gameplay experiences.
short owl
Ktjn, I mean your gameplay engineer didn't make a mistake by letting us cook crabs that's for sure. I am still gonna use it as theory material tho - it can be more fun to make sense out of nomsense (typo noticed but kept) than it is to actually get to the truth
agile galleon
I know, and all theories are 100% welcome here.
I've seen some folks in here come down pretty hard on one another about what "real and true canon" and honestly, that's not the purpose of this channel. It's for everyone to let their imaginations run wild, not to argue about who is correct or create some kind of gatekeeping.
We've presented the story of Sky intentionally vague so that you can freely project your interpretation of it without anything being concretely right or wrong.
fiery dock
when I saw sanctuary I did have a feeling it was mainly for the fact that many people are having difficult times and or cannot go out for many reasons. A means to be outdoors without actually risking your own health for it. ❤️ I think we all truly appreciate that.
short owl
And it's SO BIIIIIIG
normal berry
hey what is your guys thoughts on the valley elder's weird arms, it seems like both have an arm that looks different than the other?
short owl
I had not noticed. Do you have a pic?
normal berry
not atm but i can try to get a pic visiting them oob in a bit
short owl
My overall theory for them is that they are only two people because they are both competitive and have too big of a job for one being
The single person probably got so conflicted that they just kinda... Snapped in two
normal berry
or they just got so bored that they split in two to have someone to play sports with
normal berry
thats it!
short owl
If you look at the state of Valley, it seems clear that while things are breaking, the twins take their jobs seriously
broken basin
Why don't the valley elders light up??
spring blaze
guy’s left and gal’s right arm are different
normal berry
yeah anyone got a theory why their arms are different?
looks like its mechanical or prosthetic
broken basin
They are buffed 
short owl
They have different dominant hands, so it would make sense that their gear would be on different sides
They could also be prosthetics, yes. Which side are the eyes here?
short owl
Sister's is at a heavier angle
broken basin
Both hands
spring blaze
guys eye is on right while gals is on left
short owl
It looks like their eyes are oposite the buff arm
spring blaze
ye
broken basin
Here you can see different hands.
And the hands in which they are holding bats are the hands which looked mechanical
short owl
Maybe the split left them both short handed?
spring blaze
its too blurry for me to see xD
short owl
That may imply an artificial leg as well
broken basin
And why is Valley divided into two parts ( fly race and slide race) and one part ( fly race) looks to be more superior than the other. Does it have to do something with elders? Weren't they friendly siblings (though the cutscene just looks like a brother messing around with his sister for Fun)
short owl
My guess is that the fly race may have come later
That or the slide race was something that started out as a "street" thing that later became official
spring blaze
if you look at the flags in each race you’d see one race is red and one race is blue
broken basin
But at end, both the parts meet together once again
So together, apart and then again together
if you look at the flags in each race you’d see one is red and one is blue
@spring blaze
I've seen that too
short owl
The slide race appears to go through an area that's used for actual day to day living while the fly race only goes through clouds and official racing areas
normal berry
if you look at the flags in each race you’d see one race is red and one race is blue
@spring blaze perhaps a reference to the old red and blue teams when the races were competitive?
normal berry
ooh
spring blaze
i dont have the pics themselves but someone pointed it out here w pics lol
don’t remember who
broken basin
And I heard valley colonies were divided between the high and low class
They had separate colonies
High class in fly race
Low in sliding
I have photos of the houses
spring blaze
oh yeah its like concepted in tom zhao’s art
short owl
I hope that's "high and low" because of navigation needs rather than resource accessibility
People who would prefer to fly can likely handle areas high enough that bridges aren't practical, and get from place to place easier because of it
short owl
Those who are ground bound by need or preference would enjoy safer travels and easier home maintenence
broken basin
Note how the high are in clouds and all the housed are I'm good condition where in low they are situated "low" and kind of broken
spring blaze
broken basin
short owl
It looks like the low ones may have been affected by snow slide
broken basin
I'm sorry for being offtopic but I just could ignore one side being black and other being white
By high and low , I mean the Rich and the middle classes (workers)
short owl
In honesty though... We can't treat what we see as represenative of how the high class homes survived.
They are on flying crystals. The home falls apart, the remains would go up higher bc weight reduction
The crystal fails, and the building crashes to the ground
broken basin
Everything in slide race is destroyed and covered in snow while only a few things are broken in the fly race
short owl
Not everything... I remember a lot of well maintained slide buildings. (Some damaged along the path tho)
And the flight race would ONLY have well off buildings because if they weren't in good condition, they wouldn't be there.
Either they'd fly up or fall, being unseen through the clouds
hushed sable
I just noticed that in vault today too
random glen
legit
he just goes
right back
sorry for all those screenshots
but
what
how cool is this yooooo
cold dock
also he was still attacking us when he was with the nice crabs
random glen
yeah he didnt go nice at ALL ;_;
cold dock
but why 🤔
random glen
i mean its coz he is corrupted i assume and wants to gtfo before he cries but...its interesting that they added in the feature of him walking ALL THE WAY BACK
that crab is dedicated
candid wave
I am personally wondering about the Skykid digestive system? I can't seem to put my finger on it.... I can see that in ||the office||there are toilets, which indicates that spirits have the ability to expel their waste that has been digested by their bodies....
Is the golden wasteland a giant sewer??
cold steppe
office isn't part of the lore though
it's an easter egg
you can't really take what's in office and apply it to Sky
candid wave
I think I will begin drafting a working diagram of the skykid digestive system soon...
cold steppe
office is literally TGC's actual office
candid wave
I see....
But again
have YOU ever seen your sky kid "use the restroom" if you will?
cold steppe
I mean
it's a game
for all ages, including children
in most games (and movies), you don't see people doing that
gray bridge
and we don't see sky kids eat either because they don't have mouths so
inland folio
but they have the full stomach emote in the new season?
candid wave
Yes!
Exactly
So they do eat
that means that they must digest
I think there is more to this than meets the eye
🤔
candid wave
No... you're right... what a ridiculous concept.....
But on a more serious note..... what about their tanning?
short owl
Wasn't he... In a cave though?
candid wave
do they tan from the light w/in or the sunlight