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So what are you guys currently discussing right now?
Hidden Forest mural
we are completely confused as to what area's being depicted in here, or what temple that big central thing is
Are there arks and butterfly tins lying in the gw temple area?
They lined up like those what lead you to the temple in forest
@hushed steeple what if, maybe jellyfishes just tend to be in group and seems like theyre lining up? In the prairie, forest, even while in the ascent
there are overturned boats, i'm not recalling any jars offhandedly
Are there arks and butterfly tins lying in the gw temple area?
@hushed steeple wait, ill take a look
Also search for logs when u go😂
at the end of the day though, i'm still not sure what we've learnt if we actually pinpoint where this is 
hold on yall are still going about the mural-
we are, but i think anyone's welcome to open a new topic if they can think of one -- i'm just waiting until i'm free to go in-game for my candle runs 
Also search for logs when u go😂
@hushed steeple there is some boat, but i cant find any butterfly jar...there is one spot that you can find butterflies in Wasteland tho
I think the boat also looks similar? Or maybe all the boats are similar?
Where's that btw
Does the ships in graveyard refer to the ships fallen in forgotten ark mural? Or are they completely unrelated?
Did forgotten ark mural has smaller boat? I forgot
Didn't boat in those murals are massive boat?
Just a paint blotch then ig
I think murals paintings must be at least same level of drawing...i think
Unless that is pattern like those in prairie
I'm referring to the general designs
There is boat designs on some doors tho
This might not be a boat then
Like door to Isle Elder altar, the one that we lit up is a boat design
@hushed steeple wait i noticed something...ill confirmed first
@hushed steeple there is actually a different boat design between mural in Isle and mural in Forest
I tried to looked at every boat that i could found in every realms
It seems that matched the boat design on the Forest mural were the boats that i found at Wasteland Graveyard
Rounded rear end with a pointy beak like front end
In case you wondering this is the mural on Forgotten Ark
i wonder if those spirits weren’t the only ones with coloured lights
there’s two behind them that have cyan and blue light
@lethal stump i think they're not the only spirits that use those methods...maybe some other civilizations used similar way to used lights
i dont think there’s other civilizations, maybe it’s just different groups from the realms
That's possible...i mean we still can't confirmed where exactly those spirits/people in Forgotten Ark came from
Or maybe there is some confirmed lore about this?
ponder this
I’m new here and probably you’ve already discussed about this lmao
[SPOILEEEERS] But what do you think happened in general? I mean, what are the spirits, what happened in wasteland and Eden, what’s the big red diamond at the end of Eden and have anyone reached it somehow, what are the wings children, what about the ancient spirit in the valley of knowledge (?) and so on
(Sorry if I used wrong names but I have the Italian version and I tried to translate all those thing)
Thats a long long story to explain, basically tou can read some of the theories so far and also the old concept art and stories on the pinned messages @cunning smelt
so I was scouring the sky website and
"Over the past few years of developing Sky, we have gone through a few iterations of the ‘Descendant – Child of Light’ player characters. "

i think they're referred to as "Descendants" in some of the concept artwork too
Any idea?
Have you ever wonder that the dark krill was.once a krill of light in gw but got consumed by darkness because of the red diamond?
Maybe there was a krill ofnlight
Maybe they were consumed by darkness because of the red diamond
Any idea?
@slim crag
That's a power diamond factory.
There's only 1 in Forest. But a few more in wateland. We can only enter this one though
Krills could be mantas that were consumed by darkness
I don't thing they are mantas.
So they eat/krill their own kind-
But they don't look the same-
If I had to assign a creature of light to them, I would compare a Whale
hkssk-
Welll, the people did use to capture mantas in cages. And use their light probably M
hoW iS kRiLl oF LiGhT poSsiBLe
The cages are in Forest temple
Does anyone have an idea why the valley, gw and vaUlt elders don't light up when they take the light?
the golden wasteland one does from memory, it's just quite slow and in the background
And I think the diamond on the vault elevator top is a projector.
A holographic projector
Anyone wanna hear my sad theory abt the twins
Sure go ahead. We hear to everyone here
Ok so
Looking at the two races, think abt the flying race. It has the Citidel AND this big grand flyibg race that's p long, and its in the light and going up the mountain. While the sliding race... well... it goes down hill, and it looks more broken down and worn. And its in shadow... the shadow of his brother. I think spiky haired twin was more favored over the other. Plus how one politely asks for your flame, and the other knocks it away.
😔
e.e oh wow
I know its kinda sad ;v; in theory anyway
But if that was the thing. The cutscene wouldn't be the way it is. The sister should have looked sad.
The cutscene just looks like a brother playing with and annoying his sis
Nice theory tho
Ty. Sorry i see them both as male XD its just my interpretation
Amazing theory!
I also tonk the statues are obs tombs. And i think the isle spirit didn't want a big tomb so maybe the lil pedestal the candel is on has ashes in it, but idk for sure obs.
Its all up for interpretation~
Huh?
Which statues??
Oh for the spirits, like isle, vault, warrior dude, at the end of each level
I speculate this because for warriors they are commonly buried with their weapons. And warrior spirit has his spear and sheild next to his. And yes
The elder statues
Oh ok
@hushed steeple thank you so much btw! I thought so too 
Ohhhh
I had a theory abt that too
Those doors go to vault
So
I guessed whatever he was fighting was after the knowledge in the vault
I know its prolly not a popular theory cuz most people believe they were fighting krill but i don't think that was the case.
krill wouldn't really make sense relative to the leftover carnage on the battlefield, they wouldn't be using humanoid weaponry
YES
EXACTLY
They may have warred with themselves and the krill may have been weapons left over
I have a thing to say about butterflies.
The butterflies are attracted towards light... ALWAYS.And they are themselves a form of light. That's why they are always found in a group. When we fly near them they come to us, cause we have light too. Also, I belive when we honk. The circle going outwards is light not a sound wave. That's why butterflies get attracted when we honk. In the prarie elder cutscene, the elder take light and makes a butterfly, that's why I belive they are pure light. The butterfly circles us cause yeasssssss, it's attracted to light. Then it sits on elder's shoulder cause the elder has light now. The pot which the elder has also has light coming out of it. That's why the butterfly instantly goes in the pot. However, I think the butterflies stop moving or flying when there's darkness. That's why the prairie temple is dark. When the gate opens, the temple get filled with light and the butterflies come out bcause they get attracted to light
See the light in the pot
I think the chirps of light we make are prolly both! Light and sound
You are probably correct there
Wolves that makes sense
So, in short, the pots were used to catch butterflies and transport them to forest where they and organic material together was used to make power diamonds.
Prarie is def farm land
Agree
Also, the job of some spirits was to farm butterflies and bring them to the Prairie temple. We even see a cutscene where the spirit is going with pots full of butterflies towards the temple
I also think that the butterflies were raised by some spirits. One spirit raised butterflies in a rock with little shelves things. That's why he keeps checking them to see if a butterfly has been born ( dk if born is the right word)
Hi
That's why the area is called butterfly fields. They were fields where butterflies were raised
Hi rhendlee!
so I was curious because I heard people say krill sound mechanical and upon closer inspection, you can indeed hear creaking and clanking when they move next to you
and also, whirring?
Yeah i speculate they were created as weapons for the war
there was a war? 
Yeah. That's what i think anyway
If u see battlefield its all in the name. Weapons and battalions everywhere
not to mention how many krill come out when you light the beacon
Personally I dont think Krill or even Crabs was a mechanical weapons. I think the way they move and sound were just how the dark creatures move and sounds like.
It's my personal opinion tho
I thought so too but the spotlight confuses me if they are organic
I drew a more organic idea of it
Idk if i can share here tho.
Maybe the Krill is the way it is now because thats the form they prefer when emerging from darkness...if we assumed dark creatures created from darkness
Do you think they have sentience enough to choose?
Genuinely curious
Heres my pic btw
FEELERS
XD
Personally I'm still confused by how the creatures in sky works even the light creatures is confusing.
The "dark dragon" is another name for the krill
the name krill is canon
yeah
Dark dragon is long 
They seem like a mix between both European & Asian dragons with a shrimp twist
that's why it's crossed
A shrimp twist i love that

European?
The classic fairy tale dragon
What characteristics make it have European dragon traits
The horns give me the vibe, and the "scaly" exterior
Hmm tru
the horns do resemble of fictional viking-ish helmets with horns
The plates remind me of BUG
I thought the horns were part of the shrimp twist
Like chitin
or those europe mythical beings
The flying around and long body that twists in odd ways seem like asian dragon
Yes
I think our phones would explode if they put actual dragons in there so they DID THEIR BEST
Its hard to understand what are Krill body parts function tho...even the horns maybe not horn at all?
The little creepy legs, make me think of the shrimp. .... (it honestly looks more like a shrimp than it ever will any type of dragon)
prob they use the horns to detect skykids, kind of like ants' antennae.... jk
My guess: Shrimp feelers but more dangerous.
And the legs seems useless...they seems like they don't need their legs to move?
Oooohhh the resemblance is uncanny
Whoever designed Krill is a genius 😅, he/she can even make shrimp looked so scary
They krill do ram into things, i.e. us. So the horns can be used for that
You know.... to really get the most out of that impact
Whoever designed Krill is a genius 😅, he/she can even make shrimp looked so scary
I knooow
The krill is like the biggest, grossest bug imaginable. I love how awful and scary it is.
Five Nights at Krill's
Some says that the horn thing that stucked on the shipwreck also cane from some kind of Krill tho
Yusss
There is even theory about Mega Krill
We have big mantas where is the big krills
Maybe the krill we're seeing are the mega krill... all the small ones died
Imagine how they must ve been so much more scary
baby krill
Worse: What if the krill we're seeing are the babies, and some day we run into a big one...

Maybe the krill we're seeing are the mega krill... all the small ones died
@hushed sable the horn thing on the ship has different shape
yes more krills to play with
Worse: What if the krill we're seeing are the babies, and some day we run into a big one...
And bigger
Now if there is a mega krill.... how did it die?
Actually we dont even know if there is one or not...it is just because that strange horn thing that stuck on the ship
sorry to burst your shrimp bubble y'all but
Maybe it down with the ship
the krill are krill 
Krill aint no shrimp
are there things that might combust in sky?
Oh my
:DDDD
Like fireworks
mutant shrimp
:O
smol
Where are you going with this 
Maybe krill like dark places void of light. And they're just scouting their territory
So when they see light they remove it
krill are dark creatures, we know darkness likes to nom light
so that's why crabs and krill try to eat us
They more like knock the stars out of CoL
yeap thats why its confusing
Or they feed or dark things, like light things feed off light
crabs hide from Krill?
I heard they do, I have yet to see it for myself
crabs are decorator crab bat hybrids
this tempts me to deep call, knock down a crab, pick up the crab and fly straight into krill's eyes
Ooohh please screen record that if you do
Yes I wanna see that
i doubt that Crabs are bother to hide from Krill spotlight tho
gonna try when time allows, i have a feeling that krills will just charge through before the crab even has the chance to get up 
that might work
Krill can't eat us cause we are made of a hard material ( prolly stone or hardened clay). However, they don't understand that thing cause ofc they're dumb.
Our wings fall out when they hit. That's bcse our wings are also a part of our light ( I mean they fill us more with light) the krill is pure darkness. When it touches us. Some of our light falls from our body.
Note that their motive is definately to eat.
CaUse the krill in the power diamond factory eats a manta. A manta isn't made of a hard material like us that's why they get eaten
What
Krills have mouth
@hushed steeple maybe they have some kind way to absorb, or maybe they got an actual mouth
Btw guys i noticed when a krill attacks us and if a crab is nearby ... That crab also knocked by the krill attack
But i think that didnt effect crabs in any way exceot they got knocked
I guess the crab would also feel the impact of the krill
Can skykids be compared to golems?
maybe they have some kind way to absorb, or maybe they got an actual mouth
they absorbs
Can skykids be compared to golems?
@sweet dirge i think our true self is our light (that fell from sky in the intro), our body maybe just a vessel for our light
Hmm much like a golem
Our bodies are made of a hard material possibly inorganic
And the light is like a core
just a random thought, i sometimes compare how a skykid's body is similar to candles, but might be just me
the whole body with the colors reminds of the candle waxes, and head + hair as the flame
I think some theory says that our body was made from wax

@magic stream might be some connections there
Lol skykids eats wax so they might be made of wax
We are what we eat
idk if it's canon or just symbolic in the game to make consistent with the game art designs.
Skykids....have eyes right?
yes
it's been confirmed that skykids are made of wax actually!
ahhh!
OH
so we ARE the candle
so krills are bonking the candle waxes then!
And i think we dont actually using eyes to see
Remember when we reborn ... At the last of credit there shows a wax pic
Maybe that's skykid's inner soul
no don't you go into that rabbit hole
And i think we dont actually using eyes to see
@magic stream
And i think we dont actually using eyes to see
Why do we open them when wearing masksss
And closing them when taking them off
there's a joke a while back how we use the "eyes" to absorb the lights of other winged lights
our REAL self is the unlit model or the flame out
Oh my
our REAL self is the unlit model or the flame out
@mellow sable so when we wear masks this is our normal self
I agree
So we're not actually opening them
Manifestations of light
If we are wax, I want to convert my skykid to wax and get candles for the ts.
But then, there'll be noone to wear the cosmetics
how else would a ghost give you a damn piano
I tend to think they look like clay
They brown and hard like clei
CaUse I don't think we follow the properties of wax
but if we're basing off everything as projections of light
We don't MELT if we go near fire
then the light that the civilization was using is indeed the "life force" of their entire life cycles
Raf i want an answer
I think it was?
So what if it was orv want confirmed by a dev, we can speculate wharves we want

THINK?
I recall it being confirmed
That's what they intend
light isn't only the energy that drives the diamonds but can also be the primary source of energy for the civilization
in this channel actually
oh
XD
Then Maybe...,, ok
we're wax golems
Ay
I love it
uwu I like golems
I still don't get it.
How's that practically possible
But i cant disagree with the devs ofc
I had a theory that we are kind of experiencing the life of a candel. We burn out and are re lot essentially
*lit
did devs confirm skykids are made of wax?
the rebirth scene also shows the candle flame before our character is shown
Well, raf said. So, im assuming yes, they did
Raf remembers it being confirmed in this channel
what was confirmed?
Maybe our outer shell is made of somethin' hard and we are filled w/ wAx?
what was confirmed?
@cold steppe
That skykids are made of wax
"All hail the megabird"

who confirmed it?
what was confirmed?
@cold steppe someone said that they thought the devs confirmed skykids are made of wax
Raf said

wax is squishy and gross
Lol
I'm not 100% sure, more like 95% bcuz my brain tends to do the big whoopsies
I trust riffraf
using search, I'm mostly pulling up results of speculation about skykids being made of wax
could be looking at the wrong word(s) though
Babybell kids
Oh my

ok all jokes aside
i always just thought they were made of... weird cosmic stuff idk
they always looked like wax to me idk
Quick question, what's an ikemen?
it makes sense they're wax tbh
I have a theory that may makke too much sense not to share.
Sky kids are extremely polite telepaths.
Consider: people can't understand what we're saying unless we've ganed communications with them via either sitting in a chat area with them or getting permission to chat freely.
We seem to be the only creatures that acknowledge spirits, but if we could telepathicallly hear spirits, then they would need no physical forms at all, making iit so that krill and crabs have nothing to see.
We also seem to be capable of giving complex instructions to light (see: higher level emotes) using nothing but gestures and noises, while most of the light wouldn't nessasarily be aware of what those things mean.
preferably a material that cant be easily pulled apart
When we sit on a chat bennch, we're asking for consent to enter into the other person's mind to communicate. When we unlock chat with someone, we're asking for consent to do it casually.
also sorry for timing. I'll get out of the convo now
the level 2 and 4 emotes are said to resemble a kid's imagination by uh, ash I think it was?
not sure
makes sense
Does that mean we have the ability to manipulate light
Directly or indirectly maybe? Don't forget that we are carying beings of light at all times, so they could be the ones doing the actual light show.

My gods you people talk
Yep the theory that we are communicate by mind make sense
i always just thought they were made of... weird cosmic stuff idk
@normal berry what i think is that we are given a vessel by whoever sent us to this journey...the narrator maybe?
Though I really like the idea of goofy kids who just scream bc they don’t know how to communicate properly
Oh that's ABSOLUTELY a thing
We can't communicate by mouth (which we don't even have)
but we can make whistles, beeps, jingles, and screams
Same way that light creatures do
we are mimickig machines made out of light and candle wax
wow
in the graveyard in wasteland there are bones bigger than krills themselves
so,, what left the bones? 
Whales maybe? (I’m not a lore expert
)
With bone, structure is far more important than size. Hypothetically, just larger krill isn't off the table as an option
the vertebrae looks like fish, but the skulls are based on the ones of turtle
Hey!
Can anyone explain all known lore of the game as of now and maybe some cool theories?
it's unlikely to be a krill, if it's based on real life shrimp or krill: those guys are invertebrates
the pins of this channel have a lot of that info @ornate dagger !
Hey!
Can anyone explain all known lore of the game as of now and maybe some cool theories?
@ornate dagger yeap pinned messages contain all of the current theories, and which lore has already been confirmed to be canon
Is there an ingame alphabet like the enchantment table alphabet in minecraft?
@ornate dagger yeap pinned messages contain all of the current theories, and which lore has already been confirmed to be canon
@magic stream it doesn’t rlly have any theories written down, but yeah pins are a good place to look
some of the pinned concept art uses a modified alphabet font, but it’s not used in the current game afaik
Jay, I think they were referring to the non canon lore doc of theories
how do I add theories to this non canon lore doc?
what are the rules/format that should be done?
I read the instructions in the doc, but didn't really understand...
The jellies have crowns
ok first of all why do we have to hug that kid in eden
when u die
is that ur soul
Some people say that is the king
He could be like the new body/vessel for the soul probably too
ok first of all why do we have to hug that kid in eden
@hushed steeple i found an old thing idk if its still relevant,, but it describes that as the prince?
idk how old this is but
old
yea i thought so lmao
that concept got scrapped a long time ago 
would have been so cool though
but... would have absolutely murdered mobile devices
really????? Whyyyyy
True
the one part about this that interested me was the fact that it referred to the mountain as the “king’s body.” like
oof that's concept art from when the prince and king were two different entities
ohhhhhh
that's really old
i’m new to all this stuff akcjskcks sorry
no worries!
thank you for clarifying though!!!! 
that concept was one where there was an evil king that fought you
WHAT
THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN SO COOL
didn’t the devs say somewhere that the eden elder is present in the game?
so I guess it's actually not that old
yeah, the devs confirmed that the eden elder is no longer able to be saved
THE PRINCE RESCUES YOU?!
YEAH
they then clarified that the eden elder is still there
He can sweep me off my feet
pls ..... 🥺🥺🥺🥺
Bridal style please
there's a bunch of timelines scattered throughout this channel
i have a stupid theory he could be the mountain itself but i don’t really know what i’m talking about
different concept storylines
if there any concept art for him?
Is it possible that his soul/light is part of the eye of Eden?
yeah that’s what i feel
descendants?
King talk I see
ofc
🍴
hi Jay
any of yous got pics of the prince? 

oh yeah, that one
wheres my prince though?
It IS THE PRINCE
YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Well...in a different concept
so, fun fact, they used to go between king as antagonist and prince as antagonist
It’s a bit hard to explain
some concepts have the king as the villain, others have the prince as the villain
ultimately both were more or less scrapped
Oh villain prince? I’m in to that
oh, another fun fact
In some concepts, the prince was the king in the past and he was crowned king when they thrived at valley, in other concepts, the prince it’s a totally different person
that was going to be the fun fact
Nyoom
Jay stole your thunder
i have been interacting with the lore chat for less than a day and already my third eye has been pried open with a can opener
oh, we're just getting started
Is there any concept art of the prince aside from the king?
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Also getting titan vibes from the other concept art
you two are like lore gods i aspire to be like you guys
Also is the giant looming dude in the background here the king?
oh, I'm nowhere near as knowledgeable about it as Jay is
I mean like Hercules
Most likely it was
And translations were made to those words, I don’t have the pic tho
But the funny part is, the dude on the far left is called a “fat laborer”
oh the jelly baby??
fat laborer-
Ye
Uncalled for
The one next to him is “intellectual” after that, soldier, male citizen, female citizen and the rest are the elders
Oh and skykid
i have a theory the king of eden was reincarnated into the mountain itself, is that a valid theory or is there something i’m missing?
Ur pfp scares me
the hornet with the burger king crown?
yeah
Yeah
it’s a long story
i’m gonna leave it at that-
i’m dubbed as the hornet king by my friend group because of a typo i made so i made this silly image because i am the hornet king
he has a burger king crown because thats what true kings wear
someone photoshop the burger king crown onto the king
I was gonna say that but thought no one would actually do it
can someone catch me up on what we're talking about here?
the eden king
just uhhh ping me, because i'm kinda lost
we’re just looking at the king’s concept art/what eden would have been like with him and the prince/where he could be now
OHHHHHH WAIT WAS THIS LIKE
A CONCEPT FOR THE GAME
YEAH!!!
So wasteland elder is the king?
no, the king is a separate character!
nAnI?
the story would have been like this
i don't believe so? i mean he seems more like a warrior/general under the kings rule
we would have fought the king in eden, then the prince would rescue us and fly us through orbit

this was an old concept
oh
the devs do say “the king cannot be saved by the skykids” basically he’s long gone
but i theorize that the king got reincarnated into the mountain itself or the eye of eden
rip
yeah
the large power diamond?
Mhm
could be!!!
WAIT UR NAME IS TALL KING
yes
hornet king! hornet king! h-
because i resized and got the tallest height
LMAO
yes i am the hornet king too
WAIT YOU DID
yes
ngl i wanna see
could you send me a code so i can friend you, pm me
all can be applicable!
i can link the intro cutscene if you want!!!
Yes pls
ok
it gives you a bit more backstory
so the person talking to us is the king?
that could also be a good theory!!!
we don’t know who’s saying it
but i like that theory
that’s talking to the elders i think
oh yeh
elders are stars
yeah!!!
yee
and in the cutscenes you give light to all of them so
i bet home is a metaphor in that sense
they seem distant and have no idea what they are doing in this frenzied curse of darkness so we need to tell them “oi ur kingdom is trashed lets cure it together”
Nah the homespace in sky is the same for all games with a homespace essentially
but good theory
the game has a very deep lore and a lot of it has yet to be uncovered, but all theories are good in my opinion!
Yeh
when will TGC give us lore man i want answers
this is like a freaking history class rn (not saying its bad) but pLeAsE
Actually yes
The king is confirmed to be in the lore
Idk ur name memelord, but we no longer have to say “he’s an old concept anymore”
King is canon 👑
Oh that supports my skykids=eden elder theory
Newbie here, where do I start? I bet its buried in the beginning in the chat
Check the pins
It’s way too long to read from the start, but there’s a compilation of people’s theories as well as canon lore in the pins
Soo the pins is when i press the title right?
Yeah just click the pin symbol
Yo I was in eden today. And I was looking at the sky. And I think you can see where "orbit" is in the sky beyond the clouds. So it could be a hint that it acually physically happens
Wow I never noticed that. Could it just be the sun but dimmed by the dusty storm?
That is also very possible
Yeah just click the pin symbol
@round musk thanks you so much, that helped a lot!
Also they're called Elders? I always called them Sky Gods
Yeah but sky gods is kinda accurate I suppose
There's no right Canon yes? So I can make up the story as I go?
They tried building this Kingdom in a sunless realm and failed
Now we gotta rescue the lost children of light and bring them into Eden
Well, there is canon lore that just hasn’t been confirmed by the developers, so it’s up to us to try and figure out what it is
I've read the Canon lore in the pinned post
I kinda like it
Some ancestor spirits are sad though, like that crying girl in the Forest. Did she really have to bury her friends?
Yeah that one hurts
I love how dark this game gets sometimes. Makes me feel more emotionally invested.
Back to an earlier topic: I think Ash was hinting that the king still exists in the present but just in a different form. If skykids are made of pieces of the king’s soul, then that would explain the peculiar phrasing of the sentences
When will we see the king?
Sorry I'm new, but who is the king?
The king is the name of the Eden elder
“He’s not there in the same way as the elders you see in the cutscenes”
Ash is speaking in the present tense, which implies the king still exists currently, but in a new form.
“The king plays an active role in the story of sky but maybe not in the way you may think”
This indicates that the King’s new form is unexpected and different from the traditional elder form. The only forms we see that could conceivably be the king’s new form are the skykids
Exactly. My idea is that he split himself up into many tiny beings as a way of starting over and bringing a new era where he can’t be corrupted by selfishness
Btw I always thought the Vault Elder was the "Queen"
Tbh that would make sense
Exactly. My idea is that he split himself up into many tiny beings as a way of starting over and bringing a new era where he can’t be corrupted by selfishness
@round musk
This is so cute tbh... It's like he wants to redeem himself
Tbh that would make sense
@round musk
It also gives us the diamond thing, and looked like she really miss her king
The vault elder statue is in the center even in Eden, so they seem to have been the second most important elder
With my skykids=king theory, the forest cutscene takes on a new meaning. Forest elder was still mad at the king for leading them astray, so she acts rudely towards skykids
Guess someone cought up the story eheheh

I also always thought Elders are in a limbo
Like... Imagine Forest Elder, always seeing her works crumble down
Oh yeah
In the original concept the King wasn't also the last enemy, but created every dark creature
What if Krills are the last very dark self of the King?
Isn't the king the one who never left Orbit?
@gray drum
Nope :0 all the stars fell from Orbit, the King too
No, his original role is the Child of Light, seemingly. The Light is what we reconnect both him and the other elders with
Oh
The Light used to be called the megabird
GUYS WAIT
I have to go to sleep sorry! I'll read later, see ya❤️
THIS JAS BEEN BUGGINF ME FOR A WHILE
WHY IS THERE A SACRIFICIAL MANTA AT THE ENTRANFE OF THE CITADEL
Does this chat have a censor
It would seem so
Anyway, Ash’s comment practically confirmed for me that skykids are indeed the king but in a new form
Anyway, Ash’s comment practically confirmed for me that skykids are indeed the king but in a new form
@round musk tag pls? My discord be acting weird
the whole server has a filter
AAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Anyway, Ash’s comment practically confirmed for me that skykids are indeed the king but in a new form
@round musk huh.....how
We are a totally different person
Or race I would say
And I’m pretty sure the king existed far before skykids were even thought of
Race is much less defined in the world of sky. Yes we have physical bodies but the basic anatomical features are the same as those of the elders. A fractured piece of an elder is naturally going to be a different creature than a whole elder
Also the king was mysteriously removed from the in-game story and not given any sort of elder cutscene. Why would they do this unless they decided the king turned into the skykids?
Maybe he is stuck inside the mountain?
At least that is the idea the constellation gives me
Or worse, he IS the mountain
I know there's one theory that the child of light (possibly the king) is inside the giant Eden diamond
But why would they pass up the opportunity to have an epic EDEN ELDER CUTSCENE unless they determined he could have an even more important role in the story?
Because he is beyond saving
He is so corrupted he turned into/fused with the mountain itself
There is no light we can give him that could possibly save him from that state
The problem is there’s no reason why the devs would keep such an important and interesting character out of the gameplay. Wouldn’t an Eden elder cutscene cause more hype and get them more money?
But it would bring a more definitive end to the game
they wont do it
There would be no reason for us to be reborn if the king showed up
We would have saved everybody and ascended along with them
So why go back?
But extention in eden hmm interesting if that happen with a story
?
new to discord. how do i scroll up to the first post?
Several day.. maybe
Better to read the pins
They will have what you need
And welcome to the crazy lore bunch! 
There would be no reason for us to be reborn if the king showed up
@mortal viper Maybe the devs had the same thought, and thus decided to make the king be the skykids. That way there’s incentive to be reborn so that you can help other skykids reconnect with the light
Maybe
digging King=Skykids theory
makes a lot of sense how he had to sacrifice everything
just to bring the lost stars home
It is just the constellation trows me off
It’s a hell of a redemption arc
It’s a hell of a redemption arc
@round musk redemption? King did nothing wrong
Yes, King propaganda did
We don’t know what
But from the concept arts, we know he was supposed to be the villain (final boss if you will)
And we believe he may be responsible for what happened in eden
The king led the other elders in the industrialization project, and most likely had the giant power crystal created which likely caused the mass extinction of the ancestor spirits
He is the most responsible for the fall of the sky civilization
So yeah, he was evil
The theory of king = children involves his soul being shattered to pieces by the giant red diamond explosion that leveled Eden
The pieces of his soul became individuals of their own (the kids)
That wouldn’t be consistent with the timeline tho
I assumed his soul shattered hundreds of years after the explosion
It also would not make sense since the narrator wakes the kids
I like to imagine a civilization where kids, spirits and elders coexisted
Reason why the spirits don’t get confused when we show up and promptly show us their memories
Although if the narrator is the child of light, then it could be that the king’s soul fragments were just lying around until they “woke up” after hundreds of years
Possible too
I like to imagine a civilization where kids, spirits and elders coexisted
Kids = pigeons or crows: flocking around, making noise, mimicking people and stealing candle wax
Oh I wish I knew how to draw well, so I could share the image in my head
I can picture it lol
I’m inclined to believe skykids only recently started existing, because in the intro it’s after the time skip that the light trails come down
What light trails are we talking about?
I can only remember the ones from Elders’ fall
Those are the skykids. The trails start just above Eden, so perhaps the king ascended to orbit before raining down on the realms
This theory is getting more unlikely by the second
That was how he regained his title as the Child of Light and was reborn into multiple individuals
Maybe we are pieces of the megabird
True
I think it would make sense if the king reconnected with the light before being reborn back into the world of sky as skykids
Then why represent him inside Eden Mountain?
Wdym?
In the vault cutscene
Oooh
The last constellation, the king is represented inside eden mountain
Trying to eat a sphere
Because the vault cutscenes show all the elders when they made their biggest mistakes. For the king it was becoming selfish and introducing darkness to the world, like Adam and Eve eating the apple
No, just inference
For me it was just they teaching the people how to do something
And then there was the king
But i like your interpretation too
It brings a new light to that scene
But the king is still represented inside the mountain
Why?
Wasteland Elder is shown fighting on the side of industry, based on the shape of his shield in the mural. So the king is likely shown when he was at his worst. They probably put him inside the mountain to conserve space?
His palace is huge
I mean in the mural
But why would they pass up the opportunity to have an epic EDEN ELDER CUTSCENE unless they determined he could have an even more important role in the story?
@round musk maybe cuz....they are still working on it, u can’t always release all the story all at once and have no surprise or story build
It’s more of a secret character
That’s getting more developed, and he played a key role in the lore
@sly kestrel I still think it’s worth noting that Ash said he’s in the game just not in the way that we think, and not in the same way as the elders. It seems pretty clear that they won’t be making an Eden elder cutscene
Sorry my method of justifying my theories can get convoluted
I was using the fact that there isn’t an Eden elder cutscene as evidence that he is being used for something more important
In my view I jus think it’s more of a “indeveloped” character that is important of course but not ready to show yet
The way Ash phrased it made it seem like he’s already here. Present tense often implies that something is happening in the present, you know
Maybe he is eden
But I am curious how the lore will be expanded on the king or on anything rlly
Most of the attention is towards seasons and they even said seasonal content is more about building the world rather than the lore
Maybe that means the answer is already here
And I think there will be a lot of hate from some ppl if they decided not to do a season and focus more on the story
Not everyone loves lore and story as much as us, most ppl jus like the fun friend time and the cosmetic collecting
That’s true. Maybe lore is just a side project they work on occasionally
I need the tantrum emote as a reaction asap
are skykids that fragile?
- takes fall damage
- hates rain
- cant walk in certain water either
- bonked by creatures small and large and risk to die
- eden proves ||cant take impact from objects either||
but then the sky world is not on a mortal plane
Look, I usually hit walls at full speed and my little warrior is still standing
Their light might be fragile, but their bodies are made out of titanium
ur serious right
i mean you dont die from crashing into walls but ive noticed it does hurt your wing by taking 1 space off of its winglight meter (or w/e)
For them, it might be
okk
Light is everything for them: blood, soul, voice, and heart
Humans are children of the earth but skykids are children of the light
Can I post Eden pics here w/o spoilers or no 
Yup, go ahead
That was poetic
On the left, it looks like gravestones, and each ancestor usually has a tablet next to them that you have to stand by to summon them
Not sure if this is already common knowledge, but I found that this really tied into how they are spirits
Always though their little stone hedge was for decoration but nope- looks like it’s a tombstone
Well yes the things you stand next to for spirits to appear are gravestones, but those structures in Eden are presumably shrines for contacting the elders
All this eden talk is making me want to go back there explore, but I only have 4 statues left if my calculations are not wrong
Reset is in 6hr 
Also does anyone know why these jellies have crowns?
Maybe they were special jellies used in Eden diamond production
They are, also no sparkly substance
Has anyone considered the fact that Eden is the most industrialized area, and yet we see very few, if any, power diamonds other than the main big one. Does that mean all those pipes and waste were just to create one single diamond?
Possible
I’m never on here and realized how much catching up I have to do
Nah even wasteland is partly just sand. Eden on the other hand is basically entirely made of pipes
With the exception of the upper castle area ... 
Only the second and third stages have pipes
dunno where to put this but i found the realms is supposed to represent stages of life?
dawn (isle) : birth
day (prairie) : childhood
rain (forest) : teenager
sunset (valley) : adulthood
dusk (wasteland) : midlife
storm (eden) : aging / death
orbit : rebirth
Oh yes ||office|| poster
epico
Does anyone know what the little stone with the sparkly shapes on it is - it’s in the entry area of forest, to the left of the archway where u drop down into the actual realm hah
It’s a clock! 5am/pm pst is when the rainbow appears
I hope that’s what you’re referring to^ is it like a swirl?
Ohhh no - but that’s rlly cool!! Apparently the rock I’m talking about has something to do with meditation?
There’s one in orbit too that you meditate at to get a heart if you share sky
Idk why the one in forest doesn’t work
Here’s the thingy I was referring to
Ohh that’s probably it - what u we’re talking about with the sky sharing thing
*were
@mortal viper the first area of eden actually has a giant pipe as well, but you probably won't notice it unless you're doing the flying shortcut
i wouldn't call it an out of bounds technique, but it's quite questionable whether you're meant to be able to do that -- either way though, if you look towards the temple-like structure from the beginning before you pass the rocks, you should be able to see a giant pipe
it's visible at 0:19 here if you're interested, though some people have gotten better angles of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNefh_5URjI
Ok, I check it next time i go to eden
this one's got a much better angle on it at 0:20, you can make out the toxic sludge coming out too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koufsX6fgws
whoa, i've never actually noticed that sun shield there
Neither did I
too busy trying to rush to the second part 
What if the war got to Eden?
not impossible, though i'd wonder why the shield's in that position against the wall, and also undamaged -- might have been used as a wall decoration
Possible
we see signs of ruin all over eden, but nothing as obvious as golden wasteland's battlefield where there're broken weapons and shields strewn all over
I think I will go check it out
Eden might have been a sacred area where military wasn’t allowed this would makes sense since there are so many statues
actually we do have a face
but not a full one
aaa i thought someone was writing an essay here
i'm sorry to whoever was typing
that i'm not sure but i'd go with the theory we're made out of clay
skids don't have fingers, we don't have mouths and and can't really do much with their though legs are more mobile
Back I am with some nice new pics of Eden:
Pic 1) A look at Eden’s Gate that really look that was destroyed and then rebuilt with the new five diamond lock
Pic 2) A look at the first structure we encounter with the pipe showing
Pic 3) Those beams waaaay into the canyon (Eden is the only place in the hole sky world that has them in their structures)
Pic 4) A look on the exterior of the first building (the one with the winged light)
Pic 5) The sun shield displayed on the wall of said building
Pic 6) A pair of swords displayed on the wall and a broken sun shield that was also probably on display
Pic 7) Those fire holders forgotten by the entrance
Pic 8) An empty display place by the side of the first sun shield
Pic 9) A boat in the deepest part of the canyon (where you fall if you get blown off as I did
)
Pic 10) The reason why I got blown off a.k.a the hole in the ceiling of the building from pic 7, with two red ribbons tied to them (only one is shown)
that i'm not sure but i'd go with the theory we're made out of clay
@gray bridge considering when our light goes out we go black, I would say we are made out of coal
Ok, I got a question. Is it just me or this statue resembles the Vault Elder?
And anyone has any idea what is this symbol?
I’m pretty sure that the symbol above that door is supposed to represent the forest elders mask
But they look different
it’s the concept mask
This is her mask/headwear
it looks like a transformer head to me 
Not like the head piece that you are wearing but her “face”. And like Brick said, it was from the concept phase and they just used it there
Ok
Thank you

More questions!
Sorry for spamming the group 
Anyone ever noticed that after the krill attacks the manta, it lives behind some light that has a similar shape to the winged light?
:0
I would send the hole video, but my internet is too slow
The same thing appears for a split second when a sky kid is hit too I’m pretty sure. I personally think it’s just what happens when a krill takes the light from something :3
thats more resources reasons not lore
Someone said it might be good to put in this channel that after i flew through the orbit gate at the end i saw the daylight prarie gate’s image
Like the image in the gate
And anyone has any idea what is this symbol?
@mortal viper #lore-discussion-spoilers message srry for late reply
Is there really that much of a story like it goes from peacefully to poison rains to dragons to sacrifice i wounded if there will ever be a official lore
You can see the elders wearing mask in vault mural as same in that concept art bluespirit
#lore-discussion-spoilers message here's a pic of the mural
how would Sky children view Capeless children?
||As aliens 👽||
Fact:- without cape you can't melt any darkness... As it's like your ligh side isn't exist
I would see them as wise deitys or something. When ever I see a capeless kid in sky I kinda think about how they got through isle.
They died before eden... Just a glitch
I have a friend on sky who is capeless and didn't use the glitch
i think it's possible to go capeless in prairie
i think it involves knocking into walls
also
yeah i've heard that we can't see our capes and i finally got to see it, i guess they're really made of light
vampire capes 
~~vampire cape that can only be seen at night for halloween when
~~
ah, can't see hair either
it's probably made of light too but i don't want to overthink why the capes and hair are the way they are, might just be game mechanics
they could very much be like that for lore reasons, though yeah, the game does run better the fewer object shadows it needs to render
Our cape made of light... Pure light... Winged light
Guess you-all remember when we start the game we were capeless... But when we got our 1st wing light in isle the cape appears
oh yeah i forgot
it happens in orbit as well: you're capeless until you walk close enough to the spirits on your way out, where the first wing buff reforms your cape
thank you for the explanation 
can't believe i forgot because i just went to eden last night tskk
Lol
I think theonly physical thing is our body, as we looked like before we flew up to orbit...after dead scene
it s probably because of game mechanics, if you look close the shadows are just cast objects that are blurred a bit
probably has to do with raytracing a cloth simulation
so it's lore + game mechanics then o:
what's raytracing?
game mechanics? more like lore 
raytracing is where you have a object that emits light like the sun or a light bulb
and the computer calculates where the shadows will fall and how light interacts with the environment
it s used to create realistic environments but can be really memory intensive 
it theoretically could be implemented, but it might overheat the device
or maybe the missing capes were intentional and it points to some larger picture 
uhuhhhhh
could be both 
welp it's neat to know either way
if it works it works
It is a technical issue indeed like just mentioned
There's an interview that states it
Excuse me does anyone know what this symbol is
I said this before and I’ll say it again
The no shadow cape is a technical limitation and adding shadows would he a lot of work and effort and something so little of a detail jus ain’t worth it so they decided not to put it
ohhh
And yes it will cause lag as well
But lorewise, jus assume that it’s made of pure light and Thas why it has no shadow
Heh flying on the sand dunes in gw and seeing a shadow of a t posing skykid
Looks like a manta honestly
do all the other symbols in the forest temple look like that? I'm wondering if the paint is eroded or faded
@sweet dirge thats actually a factory
Yus
That symbol doesn’t currently have a confirmed meaning but there’s lots of symbols like that around
the forest temple is the factory take create the dark stone
dark stones were used to improve their technology
eh no?
i read it in the concept art of sky
Heh
ahh


