lore-discussion-spoilers

[zinc egret]

Maybe they’re half light half
Fleshie?

[proud heron]

Whales are natural creatures i think
@hushed steeple I believed it’s confirmed that all the creatures in sky are natural

@normal berry yes it is

[sly kestrel]

I believe it is a neutral one
One that’s not dark or not light
It is simply a creature with a physical body of flesh and bone

[hushed steeple]

I meant whales are neither light nor dark

[proud heron]

Yes that’s sounds about right

[normal berry]

theres bones in vault

[sly kestrel]

The only “neutral” creatures we have seen so far is the whale and the creatures at the graveyard

[normal berry]

whose bones are they doe?

[proud heron]

Ghost manta and jellyfish are one in the same

[rose bane]

seems like whale...

[proud heron]

And manta

[proud heron]

Different hair colours !!

[normal berry]

nah

[desert sun]

the bones for the cosmic manta call are up for debate

[normal berry]

i like all white hair

[zinc egret]

I want hair
Gimme
grabby hand noises

[proud heron]

!! Ah I forgot about that

[normal berry]

also different skin tones it seems

[rose bane]

well the cosmic manta could be a energy construct...so there might be no bones...

[normal berry]

I wish we had shoes

[proud heron]

Are there any bones of krills ??

[normal berry]

nah

[zinc egret]

Not that I know of

[rose bane]

Hmmm..

[hushed steeple]

Cosmic mantas have bone....

[normal berry]

not seen yet that is

[rose bane]

Darkness isn't defeated yet

[proud heron]

Darkness isn't defeated yet
@rose bane will it ever be?

[hushed steeple]

I don't think krills have bone ... Their body is transparent

[desert sun]

darkness is a natural part of the Sky world

[hushed steeple]

They can pass thru wall

[proud heron]

Then what about ghost manta??

Light be like bone marrow

[rose bane]

well then the krills might be something like negetive energy...

[zinc egret]

No I don’t think it ever will be defeated even if it is I feel like it’d kill the light to

[normal berry]

Im curious, in the battlefield, there are weapons scattered and i always assumed the ancestors fought with them, but the other day i noticed the weapons were too huge for the ancestor/ spirits to wield?

they look elder-sized

[rose bane]

I sort of like barricades perhaps

[proud heron]

It’s said in one of the theories that there were other elders

I think

[hushed steeple]

Check vault's mural ri

[rose bane]

they certainly did not defeat them

@hushed steeple where amio?

[proud heron]

Well it’s very interesting I’m just glad it’s not like Identity V’s lore

[sly kestrel]

Wow I left for 2 mins and I see 50 messages of discussion

Wha happened

[desert sun]

lore chat is active

[proud heron]

Discussing bones

[sly kestrel]

Ahh good ol bone talk

[proud heron]

Light = bone marrow

Discuss

[sly kestrel]

bone marrow = light

[normal berry]

Oh god not that game

[proud heron]

oh how the tables have turned

[hushed steeple]

@normal berry

[normal berry]

i see

[rose bane]

well what about cartilage = light

[normal berry]

but it still makes no sense to me

[desert sun]

i saw theories that spirits drank grow spells to do combat

[normal berry]

ooh that makes sense

[proud heron]

Okay then how bout

Light = physical form

[rose bane]

well the lead is the elder and all others sre supporting

Light = physical form
@proud heron then krills??

[proud heron]

idk man

[sly kestrel]

Um....light doesn’t have a physical form

It’s jus light

It can be shaped
It can be a source of life

But ya can’t touch it

[proud heron]

are us skykids not made of light ?

[normal berry]

Light.. with m a s s

[rose bane]

true....but neither can darkness

[zinc egret]

We like the gems

[sly kestrel]

We can harness light but it’s not something we are made out of

[desert sun]

^

[proud heron]

Ah okay

Our cosmetics and capes are made of light though?

[zinc egret]

The spotlight inside of krill is super neat
Maybe they’re mechanical mixed with darkness
Sky AI uprising confirmed?

[quick raptor]

SPIRIT NAMES
...and their corresponding
emotes, calls and stances

Isle of Dawn:

• Pointing Pilgrim (Point emote)
• Rejecting Voyager (Refuse emote)
• Ushering Migrant (Come-with-me emote)

Daylight Prairie:

• Applauding Bellmaker (Clap emote)
• Bird Whisperer (Bird call)
• Butterfly Charmer (Acttracting-butterfly emote)
• Ceremonial Worshipper (Raise-candle emote)
• Exhausted Dock Worker (Sweat emote)
• Laughing Light Catcher (Laugh emote)
• Slumbering Shipwright (Yawn emote)

Hidden Forest:

• Apologetic Lumberjack (Floor bow emote)
• Blushing Prospector _(Blush emote)
• Dismayed Hunter (Hands-on-head emote)
• Hide'n'Seek Pioneer (Hide-and-seek emote)
• Pouty Porter (Stomp-feet emote)
• Tearful Light Miner (Crying emote)
• Shivering Trailblazer (Shivering emote)
• Whale Whisperer (Whate call)

Valley of Triumph:

• Backflipping Champion (Backflip emote)
• Bowing Medalist (Bow emote)
• Cheerful Spectator (Yayy emote)
• Confident Sightseer _(Hands-on-hips stance)
• Handstanding Thrillseeker (Handstand emote)
• Manta Whisperer (Manta call)
• Proud Victor (Arms-crossed stance)

Golden Wasteland

• Courageous Soldier (Wider-than normal stance)
• Fainting Warrior (Play-dead emote)
• Frightened Refugee (Scared emote)
• Lookout Scout (Looking-around emote)
• Saluting Captain (Salute Stance)
• Stealthy Survivor (Sneak stance)

Vault of Knowledge

• Levitating Adept (Telekinesis emote)
• Meditating Monastic (Floating emote)
• Memory Whisperer (Space-manta call)
• Police Scholar (Hands-together emote)
• Praying Acolyte (Pray emote)

In case anyone asks

[zinc egret]

THANK YOU

[proud heron]

Pin it man

[hushed steeple]

Wtb skykid's dark hair colour

[proud heron]

Haise had glasses

[sly kestrel]

😮

[proud heron]

There’s a scene where

Oh no forgot his name

[hushed steeple]

[sly kestrel]

Ok my bad for getting off topic

[rose bane]

Well the name make quite sense compared to circumstances

[desert sun]

Our cosmetics and capes are made of light though?
@proud heron yes i believe so, since when we lose our light our cosmetics disappear as well

[normal berry]

@hushed steeple perhaps the hair contains some light, making it white, and it gets corrupted and turns black before we extinguish

[proud heron]

Orange delinquent stole his glasses and imitated Haise @sly kestrel

[hushed steeple]

Hm

[sly kestrel]

There’s a pinned doc where a dev explains why there can’t be any other hair color

[proud heron]

@sly kestrel might not be correct since it’s been a while since I read it

That’s all

Back to the topic at hand

[hushed steeple]

There’s a pinned doc where a dev explains why there can’t be any other hair color
But we can see black hair colour

[zinc egret]

We could have a prism situation
White light enters and all the different colors come out

[proud heron]

That’s when you are out of light

[normal berry]

@sly kestrel they mean this

[desert sun]

i think that is just the status of your light being lost

[sly kestrel]

well ur outta light

I’m talking about like orange or green hair color that ppl request

[hushed steeple]

@normal berry the pic is horrible

[desert sun]

as the white gradually fades from your character

[hushed steeple]

[proud heron]

It’s scary...

[normal berry]

wym i look fabulous as a dark skykid

[desert sun]

black hair and white cape is also a glitch

[hushed steeple]

I'm sure I'll get a bad nightmare tonight

[rose bane]

Haunted by the death

[normal berry]

Yeah i get that alot...

[proud heron]

Ah one that I love is a comic I saw, the statues they are saving are their past selves

[normal berry]

that is sad

[proud heron]

yes it is but I also thrive off of angst so

[normal berry]

wow I felt that

[proud heron]

It is sad that one of the most frequent spirits we have to relive is cry spirit

[sly kestrel]

Black is an exception

[normal berry]

Why do i have Paint it Black stuck in my head now?

[proud heron]

Birds

Fish

Turtles

[sly kestrel]

The white hair situation is kinda like how in some games it’s dark and serious while there’s that one dude with a custom octopus outfit

And yes those were in pre launch beta

But they were right, it did sort of interrupt the story

[proud heron]

But the jellyfish did not?

[hushed steeple]

Puffer fish

[normal berry]

Also a funny story about the dark kid photo i took: I was being chased by another skykid who was trying to restore my light

[hushed steeple]

Btw still there's no theory on this?... Really curious

[proud heron]

If corrupt skykids were a thing you’d have to face a corrupt Afro chibi

[sly kestrel]

There is a theory on it

Way too lazy to explain tho

SKYMIIIIIIIII

[normal berry]

If corrupt skykids were a thing you’d have to face a corrupt Afro chibi
@proud heron burnt popcorn lookin

It would be cool if we always looked that way when we lost our light

i would be looking my light way more often-

[willow pumice]

Have someone listed all of the spirit names?

[normal berry]

Yes, scroll up

[proud heron]

Eden vs Wasteland ?

[zinc egret]

Wasteland is scarier

[proud heron]

But the krills

[normal berry]

neither are scarier because i play too many horror games and the only thing that scares me are bees

[proud heron]

bees as in the insect or rank?

[normal berry]

insect

I dont like bugs

[sly kestrel]

bees as in ....bees

🐝

Buzz buzz

[willow pumice]

All the forest spirit emotes and names are so sad, they all forced to work in that mine, so sad

[proud heron]

Idv has bee rank which is the lowest so

[sly kestrel]

They weren’t forced too...

[willow pumice]

How so

[sly kestrel]

but if u think Thas sad......hehe u should hear all the other stuff

[normal berry]

they were not forced to, but sad things still happened

like all of crying spirits friends dead and stuff

[willow pumice]

How can you tell they were not forced to, whats the proof

[proud heron]

No one answered my question in general

[sly kestrel]

I can say the same about you
What’s ur proof they were forced to work

[proud heron]

They were miners it was their job ? Doesn’t seem forced to me

[normal berry]

also some of the spirits in forest seem to be enjoying themselves like the blushing and hide and seek ones

[sly kestrel]

And yes it was sad that her friends got crushed by rocks and couldn’t save em
And then her other friend died and she was the only one left

[proud heron]

Unless they objected to mining that area I doubt they were forced

[willow pumice]

The emotes and spirit names are all negative and sad, hide and seek spirit seems tried to hide from their mine boss

[sly kestrel]

Read the names
Ask urself what a prospector is and a trailblazer

[normal berry]

blushing spirit literally looked like she was going on a date or something

[sly kestrel]

We dunno the exact times they existed but her being identified as a pioneer proves that when she was alive, she was discovering all that land for the first time

[cold steppe]

I think they were doing it willingly

[proud heron]

Hello wren

[sly kestrel]

And when the other spirits were alive, they were alive during the time when they used the forest to make their power diamonds

Time is essential to lore 🤜🏻

[proud heron]

They were most likely compensated for their work and effort

[normal berry]

also i don't take the elders as cruel dictators, forest aunt is a little tough, but not evil

[willow pumice]

Then the emotes that they do shows their mood after the eden explosion

[proud heron]

Yeah I think it just came down to wanting to advance their civilisation

[hushed steeple]

[sly kestrel]

There’s no proof as to when the eden explosion happened during the time the forest spirits were alive

[normal berry]

@willow pumice the memories/emotes were most likely from the most impactful moment in there life

[sly kestrel]

Their emote simply applies to what happened in their memory

[willow pumice]

Otherwise i cannot think of a shivering trailblazer or hide n seek pioneer, they should be powerful and leader

[cold steppe]

I mean, hiking in rain can be really miserable

[proud heron]

Pardon?

[sly kestrel]

....do u even kno what those are

[normal berry]

maybe he was just chilly-

[cold steppe]

went on a 30 mile hike in rain for 2 days. worst experience hiking ever

[sly kestrel]

I think it’s fun!!

[cold steppe]

you can definitely trailblaze and shiver

[willow pumice]

....do u even kno what those are
@sly kestrel tell me then

[sly kestrel]

But anyways um
I hate to be that guy but there’s no proof that there was rain when they were alive

[cold steppe]

that's fair

[normal berry]

someone can be chilly and not entirely miserable

[sly kestrel]

I’m going by what I was told

[normal berry]

I was chilly today but was enjoying myself

[proud heron]

Oh I didn’t think of that the rain appeared after eden

[sly kestrel]

And a trailblazer is a person that makes sort of a path or a new trail for a newly discovered area
Sort of like an explorer to make claim new areas

[proud heron]

thank you for pointing that out

[normal berry]

haha discord glitching again

[proud heron]

sorry again

[normal berry]

it ok

[sly kestrel]

Pioneer is sort of related to a trailblazer
It’s someone that is exploring a newly found land for the first time

[proud heron]

Definitely plays into the seek part of the game

[willow pumice]

Othermeaning of these are; the one who leads

According to cambridge dictionary

[proud heron]

Cambridge?

[cold steppe]

a leader is allowed to be afraid at times though

[sly kestrel]

She was more on the playful side when she was exploring
I believe the trailblazers were alive when the rain was active

[cold steppe]

they don't necessarily need to be brave all the time
it's ok to hide when the time comes for safety

[proud heron]

Do you think the rain was the rain we have today?

[sly kestrel]

That’s why they were cold and who knows, the rain was prolly corrupted when they were alive too

[normal berry]

Also the hide and seek spirit's posture looks very relaxed, so she could very well just be playing hide and seek

[cold steppe]

it's fun to play hide and seek in new places

[proud heron]

Or do you think as a result of eden the rain became harmful

[normal berry]

she didnt seem fearful or worried at all

[sly kestrel]

I don’t think necessarily eden but something that went wrong in forest

It’s an industry place remember

Same with wasteland

[proud heron]

But unlike wasteland it’s not as...

polluted and destroyed

[normal berry]

but like you said, forest may have not alway have been rainy

[sly kestrel]

And the fact that the pioneer seemed happy sort of gave me the idea that it wasn’t raining during her memory

The rain will always be a mystery

Ig we gotta wafo

[proud heron]

Share an umbrella with your crush @sly kestrel

[zinc egret]

There’s light in the forest still
I think the rains starting could have flooded some mines causing some of the collapse

[sly kestrel]

Ooooh probably

I had a theory that the crashing whale is what caused the rocks to collapse but the rain could be too

[proud heron]

What about the small crab cave ?

[sly kestrel]

That could’ve been a reason why they were plugging the walls with rocks

[zinc egret]

Maybe the crab cage was a newer hole that never was finished due to rains

[proud heron]

Plugging?

I saw it as trying to unplug

[sly kestrel]

Yeah remember the memory where her friends were putting rocks up

Or that

We will never kno

[cold steppe]

I also thought they were trying to take rocks down

[sly kestrel]

....yet

[normal berry]

does that mean that oh no spirit indirectly caused the deaths of cry spirit's friends?

[sly kestrel]

I’m going by nebby’s theory

[proud heron]

Also the water would’ve still been able to leak into the cave if it was a high enough level thus they would’ve drowned

[sly kestrel]

Idk who’s theory to support anymore

[cold steppe]

yeah, nebby's theory is good

[proud heron]

Oh one thing I’m curious about is

[sly kestrel]

I have loads of proof that support everyone’s

[zinc egret]

I think each realm fell at a different time
Eden I think fell first
Wasteland
Vault?
Forest maybe?
Dawn?
Prairie
Valley still seems like it has some people in it tho

[sly kestrel]

No

[proud heron]

The holes in the cave- were they there when the spirits were alive?

[zinc egret]

The cheering be throwing me off in the race thing

[sly kestrel]

Everyone’s dead

My only guess is the voices of the spirits

[cold steppe]

nebby is saying they died at different times, not the same time

[proud heron]

Did they see them and think there’s a way to escape but we can’t reach it?

[normal berry]

where else could they go?

[zinc egret]

Yeee
I think I may go through each spirit again and try and figure out who died when

I still need to find them all haha

[sly kestrel]

Well remember, there was a man made rock staircase and possibly their way to get out

Going by nebby’s flood theory again

[cold steppe]

well, I don't think the spirits died at the time of their memory

I think that's just a very integral part of their life

[sly kestrel]

Each one is debatable

[zinc egret]

Except for play dead guy and the refugee in wasteland
Those two seem pretty certain at time of death

[sly kestrel]

It is a memory after all
Simply a visual of what happened somewhere in their life

[cold steppe]

support for that theory: the spirits putting up the bells couldn't have died at that moment because they hadn't put them all up
if that makes sense

[proud heron]

No I was just wondering if the holes were there at the time of the spirits or it was eroded after they all had passed

[sly kestrel]

well only thing is he didn’t play dead

[cold steppe]

ah, true nebby

[sly kestrel]

He actually...died

[zinc egret]

Exactly
Skykid just has no concept of death

[cold steppe]

is the official name now Fainting Warrior?

[zinc egret]

Yes

[cold steppe]

why

[normal berry]

that memory shocked me tbh

[cold steppe]

why fainting and not dead

[proud heron]

Kids are like: he’s just sleeping

[sly kestrel]

well it would sound cruel so say “dead warrior”

[zinc egret]

Sky kids don’t know what dying is because they’re always reborn

[cold steppe]

ok fair rin

[normal berry]

why
@cold steppe probably because its a game targeted at kids

[cold steppe]

that's really fair

[zinc egret]

Kids: oh he’s fine he’s fine he’s just playing
Warrior: am I a joke to you?

[normal berry]

Kids: haha he sleeping

me: 👁️ 👄 👁️ h u h

[proud heron]

So he got krilled right?

[cold steppe]

it's unclear what caused the wound

[sly kestrel]

I believe they sort of got it when they got into the brutality of eden
But after that I think they didn’t take death seriously anymore

[cold steppe]

I don't

[normal berry]

Looked like he was grabbing his stomach/torso

[sly kestrel]

Yeah he coulda fell off a building or something

[normal berry]

might of gotten stabbed or something

[cold steppe]

Eden is now a chore for ascended candles more than anything, tbh

[normal berry]

rip

[sly kestrel]

after the first few runs of eden, Sky is mainly about currency

[cold steppe]

is it confirmed that skykids have the memories from their "old" life when they're reborn?

[normal berry]

"mmm i'm out of money again, guess i'll die"

[cold steppe]

pretty much, ri

[proud heron]

Yeah I enjoyed the theory that the fancy emotes are just the kids imagination

[zinc egret]

I think so he’s ho,ding his torso like it got injured which if it was a a stab wound would make since since the krills have stabbu shabby but since theee is no blood it can be one of two things

1. this is a kids game no blood plz
2. possibly was escorting the refugee through the cave collapse and suffered some bludgeoning due to the rock fall or whatever caused it, it seemed krill caused the fall maybe he fought that and ran

[normal berry]

@cold steppe "Reborn" makes it seem like its still themselves, if it were worded as recarination then maybe

[sly kestrel]

Remember spears existed in wasteland too

[zinc egret]

I will have to pull up my old notes again to try and figure out what sort of wound it is tho
Don’t...dont ask why I have notes on different injuries

[sly kestrel]

And swords

[proud heron]

I didn’t think of that... very smart point

[ashen plaza]

Tomorrow clue about Traveling

[proud heron]

@ashen plaza #seasons-events-chat is where you’ll want to go

[normal berry]

I think so he’s ho,ding his torso like it got injured which if it was a a stab wound would make since since the krills have stabbu shabby but since theee is no blood it can be one of two things

1. this is a kids game no blood plz
2. possibly was escorting the refugee through the cave collapse and suffered some bludgeoning due to the rock fall or whatever caused it, it seemed krill caused the fall maybe he fought that and ran
   @zinc egret wha- what do you think the swords and spears are for?

[zinc egret]

I think the spears and swords were used by the wastelanders to fight the krill

[proud heron]

We discuss the spirits stories here not which spirit they chose for ts...

[sly kestrel]

Oh no

Not this again

The civil war theory

[proud heron]

I think the spears and swords were used by the wastelanders to fight the krill
@zinc egret you don’t think-

[normal berry]

@zinc egret they can go through walls so possibly weapons too

[proud heron]

Ah guess I won’t

[sly kestrel]

Ahhhh I don’t wanna explain again it’s too complex

But basically it revolves around the fact that kills don’t have physical bodies

[normal berry]

theres nothing to stab if they dont have a physical body

[sly kestrel]

And they didn’t fight them

[proud heron]

I sorta got something from the document

[sly kestrel]

They fought other ppl
Hence the 2 different shields

[proud heron]

Ah okay so you’re supporting that theory good

[sly kestrel]

That’s all imma say for now
Details, I’m too lazy

[zinc egret]

I don’t think there was a civil war personally and I flew into my fair share of krill and I seem to crash into them
I was a moth....

[normal berry]

Basically there were those who supported the production of power diamonds and those who didnt. so they fought

i think

[zinc egret]

Ah

[proud heron]

No worries I picked up enough details for now in the theories doc

[sly kestrel]

Exactly u were a moth and u didn’t touch them, u touched their wind barrier

[normal berry]

I have flown right trough them

[zinc egret]

I can always try and fly into one again to test if ya want

[sly kestrel]

They can go through walls

No need to

Like I said they have a wind aura

That’s what ur hitting

[proud heron]

They can go through walls
@sly kestrel so it’s actual lore and not a game flaw?

[hushed steeple]

Jay explain in detail🤺

[zinc egret]

The spotlight throws me off because
If they’re made of darkness what is the spotlight

[sly kestrel]

Yes, it applies to all dark and light creatures

[proud heron]

The spotlight is similar to the darkness stones right?

[sly kestrel]

Krills jus have a wind aura and that’s why it knocks us down too
Otherwise it would fly right through us taking our light

[normal berry]

The spotlight throws me off because
If they’re made of darkness what is the spotlight
@zinc egret perhaps they have utilized some of the light they have taken into a hunting tool

[sly kestrel]

The only physical body creatures are the graveyard ones and the whale

[zinc egret]

True

[hushed steeple]

Skykids?

[zinc egret]

This lore be thick

[proud heron]

It was brought up that the manta had bones though?

Graveyard ones?

[normal berry]

skykids are what we refer to the little characters we play as @hushed steeple

[proud heron]

I think they meant about the physical form

[hushed steeple]

Fair... They are light creatures

[sly kestrel]

Oh and it’s sort of based on the guardians in journey

[normal berry]

ooh wait i get it what u mean

[sly kestrel]

They don’t have bones

[zinc egret]

They baby

[proud heron]

I’ve forgotten all about journey lore and story

[sly kestrel]

They don’t have bones irl and in sky

[zinc egret]

Can I just mention how weird it is the king made like
Tiny light children instead of you know
Adult light children to go free everything
“Hey you may look like you’re six but heees a candle and a map go save the world”

[sly kestrel]

We dunno if the king is canon yet but

Sure

[proud heron]

I don’t think it was intentional??

If that theory is true

[normal berry]

"whoever or whatever created them"

[sly kestrel]

Whoever sent them

Narrator identity must be revealed

[zinc egret]

I originally thought the elders sent them but that’s

[proud heron]

I like the theory that the sky kids are the king? If I’ve interpreted that info right??

[normal berry]

narrator identity when

[hushed steeple]

Megabird is narrator i think

[zinc egret]

Narrator is Oreo

[normal berry]

megabird might not exist tho

[sly kestrel]

Could be the megabird in old concepts or child of light or king or prince or oreo or vault elder or ANYONE
It could be anyone

[normal berry]

eden elder

[hushed steeple]

How oreo

[proud heron]

But is it not in vault in live?????

[hushed steeple]

[normal berry]

IT WAS ME! DIO!

[zinc egret]

Maybe it was dawn elder
He seems like the old storytelling type

[proud heron]

Ah will someone clear up

So Child of Light is the King or no?

[sly kestrel]

We dunno yet

After all the king is an old concept

[proud heron]

Ah I see

[normal berry]

maybe, maybe not

[proud heron]

But child of light is a current concept?

[sly kestrel]

Child of light was something hinted by devs but not much to speculate

ye

[normal berry]

If we ever get an eden elder my theory design will be cannoned

[sly kestrel]

Eden elder

Is

gone

[proud heron]

All the elders are dead?

[hushed steeple]

"In mario world"

[woven perch]

gone from the game but not from the lore

[normal berry]

(IF we ever SEE them)

[zinc egret]

I think the elders were dying but the candle brought them back

[sly kestrel]

Ahhh I see u got the message from reika too

And yes the elders were never ded

[proud heron]

So they still chilling?

[sly kestrel]

Otherwise there would be no point in sending Skykids to save em

[zinc egret]

I think they’re more of lesser deities, below whoever made us, of the society

[sly kestrel]

We are reconnecting them to the light to return them to their home

[proud heron]

But the main ones are the only elders left correct?

[zinc egret]

They’re the Hecate and Persephone types
Minor gods but still important

Yes

[normal berry]

they are stuck in a parallel universe of something

[sly kestrel]

Technically they are aliens

They aren’t from the sky world

[normal berry]

they are stars?

[proud heron]

Are we not aliens

[sly kestrel]

Oh and technically skykids are aliens too

[zinc egret]

We crash landed like Superman

[normal berry]

I dont like that

[proud heron]

Oh the idea of the elders having ties to Greek gods is interesting

Especially being linked to Apollo

[zinc egret]

Somewhat inspired maybe

[normal berry]

and to artemis

[proud heron]

yeah

I actually started naming randoms after stars before I knew that

[normal berry]

as Charon

[zinc egret]

Maybe the elders are like zodiac signs but maybe I’m reading to into it because of personal projects

[normal berry]

as Hephaestus god of forge, because forging diamonds

as ares because wAR

as athena? maybe? minus war she was also the goddess of wisdom and knowlege

[zinc egret]

She was goddess of strategic war so it may work

[normal berry]

idk about this guy

[zinc egret]

Maybe Dionysus
What symbol is that for I forget?

[normal berry]

im compairing the elders to gods with similar jobs roles

he is the prairie elder

[zinc egret]

AH okay

Demeter

[normal berry]

hmm that makes sense

because harvest

[zinc egret]

I believe the dawn elder may be a Hermes or Poseidon
Little symbols of Hermes was known for being put on traveling routes

[normal berry]

it says

In Greek mythology and Roman mythology, Charon or Kharon (/ˈkɛərɒn, -ən/; Greek Χάρων) is a psychopomp, the ferryman of Hades who carries souls of the newly deceased across the rivers Styx and Acheron that divided the world of the living from the world of the dead.

in old concepts isle elder was a ferryman

[zinc egret]

Ooo

Hermes also plays a minor role with the underworld as well also guiding people to the after life but
Charon definitely holds that boat stuff we need

[normal berry]

ye

[zinc egret]

Dude even wears a boat
He likes boats

[normal berry]

hhhh

[zinc egret]

Maybe the Eden elder is equivalent to hades?

Since that one’s probably dead

[normal berry]

i guess the eden elder/king would be Cronus, who kinda created the gods,(or at least zeus) who was thrown into Tartarus, the deep abyss of the underworld

[zinc egret]

Cronus gave birth to pretty much all the Olympians sage for a few

Save

[normal berry]

ye

but since we know nothing about the eden elder, there is no way to know

[zinc egret]

Yea that’s true

[normal berry]

also there is a chance that the eden elder and the king are one in the same

[zinc egret]

I think Tartarus is a god ? Or I know one really minuscule god is associated

[normal berry]

he is a titan

which were basically the gods before the main pantheon overthrew them

heck i love greek mythology

[zinc egret]

I think titans can work because this description is crazy

TARTAROS (Tartarus) was the primordial god (protogenos) of the stormy pit of Tartaros that lies beneath the foundations of the earth. He was the body of the pit itself rather than an athropomorphic deity. Tartaros was envisaged as the opposite of the sky, an inverted-dome lying beneath the flat earth.

Same it’s so messed up

[normal berry]

oop i thought u were talking about cronus

yeah Tartarus is basically an embodiment of the bottom of the underworld

[cold steppe]

Tartarus is the opposite of the sky

[zinc egret]

There are so many gods in Greek mythology to keep track of it crazy

[cold steppe]

he's where the titans were thrown into, I believe

[zinc egret]

Yes

[normal berry]

my bad. helios= the sun selene= the moon and gaia = the earth

[zinc egret]

They sorta shoved them onto him like
“Hey you want roommates yea you want roommates”

[normal berry]

I wonder if there is titan like entities in sky

like mega elders

[zinc egret]

Maybe that’s who created us?

[normal berry]

thats megabird and an old concept

anyways i gotta go because hw

[zinc egret]

Valid sees you

[short owl]

If we"re comparing elders to greek gods, who are we? Our design makes me pretty sure we too are elders

[cold steppe]

TGC said we're not elders

[short owl]

Not elders? But the faces match!

"Aren't tbe same or different species"?

I could see different subspecies. "Sky kids are a much smaller, friendlier and more curious subspecies of the bipedal dark person species"

[cold steppe]

subspecies is Hage's speculation

it's not a word the devs used

[hushed steeple]

so uh

[mortal viper]

Changing the topic back to krill because I just got a crazy idea:
What if krills where weapons created by the GW people that got out of control and that caused all the destruction we see there? The blue spotlight would be the diamonds that change into red just like the gigantic one in Eden did. They could have some sort of artificial intelligence that malfunctioned and started seeing light and creatures of light as threats, thus attacking them and, in the case of the children, stealing their winged light in an attempt to reduce their threat level.

[hushed steeple]

sky has a religion

i mean look at the vault spirits names

monastic, acylor (idk the one who does telekinesis)

i cant spell

[mortal viper]

Accolyte I think

[hushed steeple]

Changing the topic back to krill because I just got a crazy idea:
What if krills where weapons created by the GW people that got out of control and that caused all the destruction we see there? The blue spotlight would be the diamonds that change into red just like the gigantic one in Eden did. They could have some sort of artificial intelligence that malfunctioned and started seeing light and creatures of light as threats, thus attacking them and, in the case of the children, stealing their winged light in an attempt to reduce their threat level.
@mortal viper are you saying they created a genetically modified species and bred them to be dangerous to use for war?

[mortal viper]

They could be machines too

[hushed steeple]

yeh

robots you mean?

[mortal viper]

I mean, have you heard the noise they make?

[zinc egret]

Only when near death

[hushed steeple]

when they move their joints clank

[mortal viper]

robots you mean?
@hushed steeple yup

when they move their joints clank
@hushed steeple exactly

[hushed steeple]

OHHHH NONONONONO I HATE ROBOTS EVEN MORE NOW

screw the skybot

krills

just no.

but excellent theory

ok bye

[zinc egret]

Robobois

[mortal viper]

XD

[spring blaze]

krills reminds me of those patrol helicopters

[zinc egret]

Krills remind me of dragons but if they were deadly

[hushed steeple]

next thing you know a krill is gonna sing "*i feeeel fantasticccc. hEY hEy heeeYYYY"

Krills remind me of dragons but if they were deadly
@zinc egret i mean they are called dark dragons in game

[zinc egret]

Yea

[mortal viper]

sky has a religion
@hushed steeple I feel it must be like buddhism. They worship the stars. At least that is what some paintings depict.

And they also pray to their ancestors and dead (we see it in the vault, the praying one. Also, most graves have candles by them)

[zinc egret]

Maybe it’s not even really related to an actual religion?
I am very biased however because worldbuilding religions is very very fun

[mortal viper]

Oh yes

[spring blaze]

maybe each realm had their own “god” aka the elders and worshipped differently??

[mortal viper]

Possible

[zinc egret]

I’d say probably
Each temple seems to cater to each elder

[mortal viper]

Let me just get a screenshot of the paintings i am talking about

[zinc egret]

Like with the prairies being filled with pots

[mortal viper]

I’d say probably
Each temple seems to cater to each elder
@zinc egret Oh, thats for sure

[spring blaze]

yeah

the temples isn’t really a religious place but more of a place importance of the elders if yk what i mean

[zinc egret]

Like sort of a shrine

Like in the memory sense

[spring blaze]

yes

hence why temples arent super decorated and fancy like how a lot of religious shrines here irl

like forest is in a factory

i mean, except for prairie imo

[mortal viper]

Both this pantings are in Isle of Dawn, the very first cave you have to enter to get to the dunes.
What I understand from them is: they worshiped the stars, and then the stars (elders) came down.
The only thing still puzzling me is that last part of the second picture, with 2 people around some sort of spiky ball...

[zinc egret]

One
You’re kid is very pretty
Two I think they’re reaching out for the ball? Maybe that’s when they started harvesting

[hushed steeple]

Doea vault has a temple?

[mortal viper]

It is a temple in itself perhaps?

[zinc egret]

At the tippy top but I think it’s fair to say that it is the temple

Temple of knowledge

[cold steppe]

"temple"

[hushed steeple]

At the tippy top but I think it’s fair to say that it is the temple
That's just a copy of top of eden

[mortal viper]

One
You’re kid is very pretty
Two I think they’re reaching out for the ball? Maybe that’s when they started harvesting
@zinc egret maybe

I’ll check more the paintings, see if I find anything else

[sly kestrel]

That “ball” is seen at a lot of places and seems to represent a lot of different things

It’s not the only mural that has the “ball”

[spark bramble]

Might be a sky child, considering they can rebirth, it’s not unlikely

[hushed steeple]

No need of spoiler tag anything in this channel

[spark bramble]

Oh, I see

[hushed steeple]

Talking about ball.... Eden elder's ball key... Just went there and took a pic

[spring blaze]

big ball

[hushed steeple]

Imagine playing with this type of huge balls

[mortal viper]

That “ball” is seen at a lot of places and seems to represent a lot of different things
@sly kestrel yup, just found another one in Isle

[short owl]

The ball could be the circle we see around wl, especially if it is a representation of calling out

It would also explain our calls, which are spheres of ligjt

[zinc egret]

In vault there is a statue dedicated to each elder

I think the vault was a last ditch effort to store whatever knowledge they had about their society before what I’m calling the edening
Makes me think they knew this would eventually happen

Anyway each of the little things looks like the elders are teaching the people how to do stuff
At least to me it seems like the case

In a moment all the stuff will pop up fair warning

[mortal viper]

I don’t know about you guys, but to me, the first picture looks like the king is trying to eat the sphear

Maybe they are the one to blame for what happened to Eden?

[barren bloom]

Shield pattterns

[copper hatch]

I don’t know about you guys, but to me, the first picture looks like the king is trying to eat the sphear
@mortal viper I think it looks like it's leading way for the people on ships

[mortal viper]

@mortal viper I think it looks like it's leading way for the people on ships
@copper hatch the one depicting eden

Shield pattterns
@barren bloom aren't those just sand piles?

[neon marlin]

are the elders good or bad?

[copper hatch]

@copper hatch the one depicting eden
@mortal viper oops, you're right then, "uuu the balls are so nice I want it in my body"

[barren bloom]

@barren bloom aren't those just sand piles?
@mortal viper umm... Idk

[lethal stump]

are the elders good or bad?
@neon marlin that’s for you to decide

[swift helm]

Forest aunt

[shut wedge]

Anybody have any idea what these are？ graves, clocks, idk.

I imagine graves because of the dark plants in the first one could be considered flowers

[zinc egret]

I think maybe clocks? The two lights indicating times

[swift helm]

The first clock showing the time when the rainbow comes

The second is not working anymore. In old version of sky it used to the the time when a boat will arrive

[shut wedge]

Rainbow?

[swift helm]

So we can sit and chat therr

Rainbow?
@shut wedge about 5 PDT

[shut wedge]

Oh cool! I didn’t know that happened?

[swift helm]

Yea you can see it above the entrance to the sunny forest

[mortal viper]

there is a third one

[swift helm]

Tricky one

[mortal viper]

in the entrance to the Forest Temple, to the left, right after the jellyfishes

Tricky one
@swift helm oh yeah

what was it for, tho?

[swift helm]

I dont even know its an old beta thing tho

[willow bear]

Can Sky live forever?

Is Sky the limit?

[swift helm]

Yes if tgc is still here with us

[warm bluff]

Isle=Travellers/Travelling spirits
Praries=Belltower workers
Forest=Lumberjacks/Hunters/Miners and etc.
Valley=Arena/Stadium with spirit contestants
Wasteland=Battlefield
Vault=School/Spirit teachers/Teacher's lounge

Im also still confused about the vault

[sly kestrel]

Isle isn’t traveling spirits

Traveling spirits are simply old spirits from past seasons

[normal berry]

Maybe they mean Traveling spirits as Spirits who Travel

[warm bluff]

Yeah sorry i created confusion, and yeah I didn't mean The travelling spirits from old seasons lol

[spring blaze]

i think vault is a big library for scholars to record and stufy

[hollow pier]

Wow I left for 2 mins and I see 50 messages of discussion
@sly kestrel I look down now and see 1000+ messages....

[mortal viper]

XDDDD

good luck reading those

[polar parrot]

Please delete the picture

But It's not accessible yet, which means it's still not supposed to be on live channels

If you got there it was most likely teleporting to someone who hacked into it so delete it please

Thank you

[hollow pier]

Where’s the official word that we can’t post in live channels yet?

[polar parrot]

https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/583370574449999880/730159642369458327

[hollow pier]

good luck reading those
@mortal viper already done

[polar parrot]

Good enough?

[hollow pier]

That’s excellent thank you amn

[mortal viper]

then congratulations on getting to the end!

[polar parrot]

No problem, thank you for cooperating

[pearl yarrow]

Ok so quick question. Are the Valley elders siblings?

[short owl]

Question: are all elders siblings?

[swift helm]

I dont think so

[pearl yarrow]

Okie lol cause I found a whole fight on fan art about it so I guess it's up for speculation

Ima assume they are cause I wanna

[upbeat siren]

I always assumed they were twins

Oh wait

[pearl yarrow]

@upbeat siren same. I dont really see a gender with them bit they're just 2 competitive twins to me

[upbeat siren]

Question: are all elders siblings?
@short owl All elders I don't think so

For some reason my brain thought that question was about valley elders specifically

Ok so quick question. Are the Valley elders siblings?
@pearl yarrow there's why lol, I need sleep

[pearl yarrow]

Lol it's ok sleep good

[magic stream]

Little bit out of topic, did anyone already listing what are all the changes in new update? Visual wise

[upbeat siren]

I think almost all actual changes outside the sanctuary area is listed in the patch notes, biggest being elder names

[proper sedge]

Wait, they have names?

[upbeat siren]

All the spirits have names now

[proper sedge]

ohh Sorry i just realized T_T

[magic stream]

is there any new areas beside the one at prairie?

[mortal viper]

ok, I got another theory. not as weird as robot krills, but still...
I noticed that the GW Temple is literaly the entry door to the Vault. So far so good. Then, as I was going through Vault's basement levels (I don't know what they are called) and I got to the exit and realized it really looks like a digged hole. There are 3 explanations for it:

1. it was digged by someone trapped in the basement levels
2. it was digged by the scholars to drain the levels
3. (and the one I think is more likely considering all the levels are accesed by holes either on the ground/ceiling or on the walls) it was digged by thieves
   So my theory is, someone was trying to steal from the vault, and those were the people GW were fighting in the battlefield. But when GW fell, so did the vault and their secrets/knowledge were stolen by whomever wanted it.
   GW was Vault's only line of defense.

sorry in advance for any spelling or grammar mistake, I am sleepy

On another topic: does anyone has any theories about who/what this soldier may be? Is it just a statue in honor of a fallen warrior? Or maybe he is a grownup child who got petrified like we do in eden?

[upbeat siren]

I think the hole in the maze (basement level) is made by the darkness breaking in, which is why there's crabs in there

[magic stream]

and i got curious about the crab that being grilled beside that statue

[mortal viper]

Oh yes! That is interesting too!

But this statue just feel so lonely and sad... I just want to spend all my time by their side

[magic stream]

i dont think that is statue, it got different texture than other rock statues

[mortal viper]

Yeah

[magic stream]

anyone have tried to use (what is that thing called) beside him... that throw rock

that device

[mortal viper]

Catapult

And yes

[magic stream]

yep2, what is that thing do actually?

[mortal viper]

Pretty fun to yeet your friend in the air

It needs two children to work at its fullest

One to pull the lever

And the other to sit on the big spoon and be yeeted

It is a pretty fast way to cross the graveyard. You’re to high to be detected by the krills, so you can just fly

But someone will have to stay behind

*too high

[broken veldt]

@upbeat siren you talked about elders and spirits having a name, its true spirits have names but elders don't have canon names, their old names which are not canon were Hebrew letters

[mortal viper]

I think the hole in the maze (basement level) is made by the darkness breaking in, which is why there's crabs in there
@upbeat siren could be... but then, who put the ladder there?

[broken veldt]

@mortal viper you asked what the statue near the catapult is, I think it's just a soldier who used the catapult once and he just died there and it's now used to resurrect the catapult I guess

[mortal viper]

Yeah, i thought that too. But then why are they turned to stone? No other dead show up this way.

[broken veldt]

When we unlock normal spirit we follow their souls and then we see their statue, we probably just don't see the statues out in the wild because we don't need to

[mortal viper]

The statues look different though... The spirit’s ones looks like they are made of pieces of rock all stuck together (I believe it is darkness, hence why we need to burn it to release the spirit) while this one looks just plain and neat. Like a statue made by medusa.

It also doesn’t look like an Eden statue, because they have those blue veins/cracks all over them

another big mistery the developers left for us

[broken veldt]

Maybe he didn't die from darkness? Maybe he just died of old age?

[sand knoll]

Honestly, I too think it's just a decorative statue 🤔🤔 Like bluespirit mentioned, the material is different

The texture is very similar to statues in the Valley's race, also it has the same golden material with the catapult

//maybe im wrong about the golden material part but yep, statues are a thing in sky world and i dont think that's a stretch

[mortal viper]

perhaps

I feel that, because of the sword on the ground, it may be a statue honoring some dead warrior

sticking wepons on the ground is usualy used in battlefields to mark someone's grave

what would make sense in GW all things considered

[broken veldt]

Possible it is, I don't look much into statues though I know there are tons in Eden, the only thing I looked deep into was the definitions of the Hebrew letters which the elders were names after, although it's not canon sadly

[sand knoll]

I always find intrigueing how the king had 2 names 🤔🤔

[mortal viper]

maybe it is something from the beta version of the game

I always find intrigueing how the king had 2 names 🤔🤔
@sand knoll elaborate, please

i honestly have no idea who the king is

[sand knoll]

Ohhhhh

[mortal viper]

[sand knoll]

It's the Eden Elder that got scrapped from official game 💦💦

But there are still some traces of him left like the structure that looks like him in the golden wasteland

And the 3d model that had to be datamined

[broken veldt]

It had the names Alef and Resh

I have the definition for the first one, let me check if I have for the second

[mortal viper]

aleph is the first letter

[broken veldt]

Yeah

[sand knoll]

Also high chance that this is him

[mortal viper]

yeah

[sand knoll]

The second one is literally means leader!

[mortal viper]

the devouerer

[broken veldt]

Couldn't find definitions for resh ר

[sand knoll]

It's reish i believe?

[broken veldt]

I was looking for Bible translations

I know how to say it I know Hebrew 😂

[sand knoll]

Let me find the link real quick

[mortal viper]

The second one is literally means leader!
@sand knoll I was really hopping it would be Last

[sand knoll]

I wonder if this one is accurate

[broken veldt]

I don't trust anything in English about Hebrew 😅

The letter daleth or how you are supposed to say it Daled, ד, means the lowest point, under heaven, under the kingdom, whatever that means. Then the letter Ayin, ע, represents the eyes, but not seeing the physical, seeing the spiritual. The next letter is Teth, but you actually say it as Tet, ט, which means pure and good, and the right side of the letter seems to represent a person praying to the left side of the letter which seems like it represents the letter Vav, ו, which usually stands for God in Hebrew. Sadly I couldn't find much about the word Samekh, ס. The next letter is Tsadi, צ, which has a nagetive and a positive side to it. The letter is spelled like this, צדי, the first 2 letters, צד, means to hunt, which is negative becaus it's hunting for the physical things in life, unlike the last letter, י, which means God, the speritual world and the counting of the crown, which I don't understand what it means, but then you might think, by combining those 3 letters does it make the definition change to hunting God, seeking God, looking for the spiritual things in life, and I guess not because it says that it's raising the soul of the first man that was scattered because of the the sin which the first man committed, the job is to find the scattered soul particles so it will go to heaven. I can not find the definition for Lamed, ל, either but I do have one for the letter Alef, א. Some of the definitions for Alef is to learn, practice, and knowledge.

[sand knoll]

Ooohhhhhh

Thank you!!

[broken veldt]

ר resh means leader/the head of

Had to do a lot of Hebrew reading and then translating it in my head 😭

[mortal viper]

ok, so the king is the weird looking guy inside the Eden buildind that is, aparently, attempting to devour a key to his realm or wtv.

who is the prince then?

[sly kestrel]

Prince and king is an old concept so don’t immediately assume it’s canon

But

It’s hard to answer ur question
In some concepts, the king and prince were 2 different people
And in some other concepts, the prince and king were the same person
Jus different times when he got crowned king at valley and before he was crowned king and defined as the prince

[hushed sable]

What's canon is a little tricky

[mortal viper]

I know it is not officialy canon

[hushed sable]

I personal think canon is everything in the current version of the game (maybe excluding the ||office|| and the 8 person puzzle)

[mortal viper]

that is the only part I actualy understood from the pieces of discussion I read

[sly kestrel]

I personally think canon means a machine that launches things using gunpowder

[mortal viper]

XDDD

well, it is

[hushed sable]

XD

[sly kestrel]

Point is
There’s no official proof of the king/prince/eden elder being current canon....yet
I wanna belive he’s in game and it completes most of my theories but I jus gotta kno for sure

[hushed sable]

I hope they had an expansion to the base game at some point, outside of a season event

[sly kestrel]

yessSSSS

[karmic ledge]

the king plays an active role in the story of sky but maybe not in the way you may think

he's not there in the same way as the elders you see in the cutscenes

[sly kestrel]

so....does this mean he’s in the lore officially?

Actually
Those 2 sentences are enough for me

Thank you ash

[noble ferry]

ONE OF THE GODS HAS SPOKEN

[spring blaze]

i knew it

[karmic ledge]

i dont want to spill too many beans, but he is an important figure in the current lore of sky

[silver forge]

What god? I see no gods

[spring blaze]

ty ash!!

[silver forge]

I only see a tree

[sly kestrel]

Ladies and gentlemen
We got em

[wind bone]

I mean

[karmic ledge]

he's just not there the same way as the spirits you see in the individual realms are

[wind bone]

This has been said

A lot

[pulsar dragon]

djsjjf

[spring blaze]

ksaskajdk

[sly kestrel]

well reika through me off

[wind bone]

Why are you taking reika seriously she said MARIO WORLD

[karmic ledge]

reika is a chaotic gremlin

[spring blaze]

reika was joking

[sly kestrel]

ok fine
THE PINS THROUGH ME OFF

[wind bone]

Reika was also the same one to say the king existed in lore during a livestream

[sly kestrel]

Idek if I’m using the right “through”

[karmic ledge]

he did go to mario world on vacation though thats where the mario star in dawn came from, it was his souvenir

(kidding)

[spring blaze]

threw*

[sly kestrel]

Yeah that sounds better

[karmic ledge]

you can actually see the king's statues in Dusk and Storm!

[sly kestrel]

a lot of things threw me off actually
But now I know

And yes it all makes sense now

I’ve seen 2 at orbit

Wait no not orbit
The ascent to orbit

[humble barn]

really?

[hushed sable]

Looks like I need to do some sight seeing around sky to find him

[humble barn]

thought ascent statues are scholars

[sly kestrel]

There’s jus one thing I’m confused about tho
Ash’s lil hint about this symbol and I was able to connect it to the king statue

[karmic ledge]

there are also subtle designs and motifs referencing the king in the world too. iirc some of the latticework in valley/dusk temple has a design pattern reminiscent of the kings head

oops i spilled my own beans LOL

[spring blaze]

HAHAHAHA

i was like "isnt it a king head?"

[hushed sable]

Ya know... that symbol makes me think of the light symbol on the sky kids chests

[karmic ledge]

the diamond symbol is a pretty important symbol of sky

it can be used to represent a lot of things!

[sly kestrel]

Oh look found another one, they all seem to go around this design
A diamond with 3 other diamonds going up left and right

[karmic ledge]

: D

[silver forge]

Wow belonging must be a very important season then

[humble barn]

@sly kestrel pressed flat king

[karmic ledge]

could be worth discussing some of the meanings the diamond shapes may have and maybe what connections that symbolizes

[spring blaze]

flat king

[karmic ledge]

hahaha

[spring blaze]

this is how he died

[karmic ledge]

pancake king

[spring blaze]

not from eden

[ashen jacinth]

We relive spirit memories, right? Could the winged light be memories of the king?

[wind bone]

He’s skinny

[spring blaze]

but flattened

[sly kestrel]

Well I’m getting childish views of the diamond mask we get
We get to wear king head

[karmic ledge]

I believe that mask is the rain elders headpiece but it definitely has weight if you consider the levels story

[hushed steeple]

What lore party... Where's my popcorn... Need to read from starting

[hushed sable]

Diamonds.... huh. Very structured compared to all the organic designs elsewhere

[karmic ledge]

+the purpose of the hidden forest residents at their time

[sly kestrel]

I jus got confused since it had the 3 diamond thingy

[karmic ledge]

it does!

there could be more than one reason why its significant

[broken veldt]

Symbol of creation?

[potent gate]

ooohw interesting

[spring blaze]

quick, write it down!

[sly kestrel]

3 stooges

[humble barn]

φ(. _ . )

[broken veldt]

purity and perfection, faithfulness, and uh this one is weird, promise between husband and wife. 😅

Symbol of light and brilliance; unconquerable; treasures, riches, intellectual knowledge.

[sly kestrel]

Could be 3 ppl
3 sins
3 buildings
3 materials to make one thing
a simple king head
3 realms
3 places
Or maybe I’m looking at the whole thing wrong

[sand knoll]

Mayne diamonds are those artificial darkstones that represents those hidden power 👁👁

[sly kestrel]

And there’s that too
The power diamonds made at forest

Though I’m hesitant to call it darkstone

[sand knoll]

I just looked into tom zhao's concept art that describes timeline backstory and darkstones are a pretty big milestone badumtss

[mortal viper]

Oh gods, I want to keep reading but it is 3 am already an I have to go to sleep

[karmic ledge]

!bean @mortal viper go sneep

[gentle mauve]

bluespirit#8811 (414920139633459201) was beaned. Reason: go sneep

[sly kestrel]

Yeah go to sleep

[sand knoll]

Go to sneep

[mortal viper]

byby people!

[spring blaze]

gnight!

[sand knoll]

Good nightttttt

[potent gate]

sneep well!

[sand knoll]

Good sneep is key for a healthy body 💪💪💪

[sly kestrel]

Ash helped me with tons of answers to stuff but now I have a million more questions

[sand knoll]

Hmmm i do wonder why season of belonging has the same-ish symbol like you guys mentioned above--

Go

Spill them all!!!

//my first day chatting here, honestly i'm glad with my timing 🥺🥺

[sly kestrel]

Oh that symbol was explained in a live-stream before I think
It was something accidental, it supposed to represent like a connection or things connecting like a chain, and this was the motive bc the season of belonging theme was bringing a family together, but they didn’t kno it looked like some of the symbols in sky until after it came out

[humble barn]

Belonging diamonds are from irl sweater designs

[sly kestrel]

....ok that I never knew before

[karmic ledge]

i think it can work as both!

dual meanings

the enchantment symbol has multiple meanings as well

[sly kestrel]

Compressed boat

Jk idk
I never rlly looked into the symbol actually

[karmic ledge]

thats one of them!

[sly kestrel]

wait what..

[spring blaze]

yeah

[karmic ledge]

the boat

[humble barn]

light in a boat, light in a cauldron

[sly kestrel]

😳

[potent gate]

season of enchantment pendant is a boat cut in half

[sly kestrel]

Boat holding the light
Light in a pot
Ark carrying the light
Light in a cauldron
....horseshoe?

[potent gate]

looks like an upside down ohm symbol

[humble barn]

turn it upside down and it looks like an octopus

oh

Ω

Ω also looks like a human head

[spring blaze]

its a fancy U

[potent gate]

well season of u, u helped the spirits to restore ark

[sly kestrel]

Didnt it have the shape of a string instrument too? I forgot the name

But it was like a type of harp or sumtin

[thick mulch]

Harp

[sly kestrel]

No it wasn’t it harp....ahh it had a tricky name

[thick mulch]

Lyre? Lire? Idk

[sly kestrel]

Liar

[thick mulch]

[potent gate]

yeah, it looks like a lyre

[humble barn]

double-headed serpent

[sly kestrel]

Oooo

[rose bane]

Too interesting design....

If we enter physics here it could also act as symbol for conductivity

or It might be like carrying a beacon of light in a desolate land ...like the spirits did in ark

[sand knoll]

Oh wow all of them suit well

[rose bane]

the star might represent the light ....

[sand knoll]

"Enchanted pearl of Golden Wasteland"

[rose bane]

yes...like the diamonds in all other places

[sly kestrel]

There are multiple meanings as well

[rose bane]

we had to return the lights from all realms(like essence of civilization) to ark to bring it back to normalcy...it could also be referencing the pearl.

pearl is used in general to reflect something delicate and beautiful and precious at the same time....

it's like the spirits situation at first... stranded there(delicate situation)....but when the essence of civilization arrived they became a beautiful addition.

[hushed steeple]

How did crabs arise?

[viscid sand]

crab god

sike that was a joke it’d be cool to know tho

[hushed steeple]

Are crabs and dark dragons related?
Both are arthropods, kill your light

[rose bane]

huh didn't think it like that...hmmm...

[sand knoll]

The crab mural in the crab cave near the forgotten ark is... something

Like everyone, spirits and creatures of light alike chilling and minding their own business when suddenly a bunch of crabs attacked and everyone running for their lives

Something worth mentioning is that according to the mural they seem to come from the earth? 🤔🤔

[hushed steeple]

Maybe with the power of power diamonds crabs turned into killer krill

And in the mural didn't they arise from water?

[sand knoll]

Hmmm i don't think that was the crabs that turned into krills

And in the mural didn't they arise from water?
@hushed steeple ohhhh that's another way to look at which makes sense

Hmmmm maybe the crabs are pieces of creatures of light that couldn't "pass on"

[hushed steeple]

Hmmm i don't think that was the crabs that turned into krills
@sand knoll
^i think so too but it's nice to think weird

[sand knoll]

There is a concept art about the creatures's life cycle

No mention of crabs though but maybeeeeee

When the creatures died an unnatural death they leave bones

Like the whale skeleton in the hidden forest

So maybe the crabs are bits of those skeletons that got sentience? 🤔🤔🤔

[hushed steeple]

But there's no physical proof/mural to this theory for now

[sly kestrel]

Yes that was a theory too
A creature’s life was mainly revolving towards the fact that they are always moving and migrating and we see that their final destination is at orbit
With this logic, creature corpses mean they they were there Bc of an unnatural death such as murder

So overall
If a creature is killed
It’s body will be left behind to rot

I guess u could theorize on what could’ve possibly happened in the graveyard....

[hushed steeple]

It's in Forgotten Ark

[hushed steeple]

Do wonder why the caption of ark says "an enchanted pearl in golden wasteland"

Pearl....?

What they meant by pearl

[orchid crypt]

that made me think of "the black pearl" from pirates of the caribbean in particular as a ship, but more generally, just seems like an ocean-based treasure that just got left in the desert, maybe? i didn't really feel there was too much to read into there myself, though i could be missing something

also, something which just occurred to me: if the dark dragons are indeed based on shrimp or krill, then along with the crabs, all known hostile/dark creatures in the game are invertebrates (i.e. they have no bones, only an exoskeleton)

...and to immediately blow a hole in that observation, butterflies are also insects with no bones

wanted to go on a theory about how creatures of the light were vertebrates whereas dark creatures were invertebrates, but i guess that was already called into question when we're not even sure of the elders or the sky kids themselves

[spring blaze]

i think pearl is another description for treasure, so by “enchanted pearl” its like treasure/beauty among the wastes

[frosty canyon]

It’s too weird to think that krills were crabs. Look at those small things. But if you realize, each time the blue light comes on a crab they hide in their shell.

[sly kestrel]

If ur next to a crab and u get krilled
The crab will flip over as well

[copper hatch]

Some random thinking...
Say krills are like centipede-crab?
Some crabs that experienced something special and get merged together, hmm

[hushed steeple]

That pearl is found near the ark

A little back story behind. Wish I would forget about it.

Ah well.

[nova tiger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/575818672476782634/730374195791265812/image0.jpg

https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/575818672476782634/730374198924541963

This was found in prairie

The cave

[sweet dirge]

:O

[nova tiger]

It’s the same boat, but the under side

And we know there’s a same model of a boat crashed in crab fields (shipwreck)

So, they can move in water and go flying

[lucid gull]

Who else is enjoying the season of sanctuary music?

[void raft]

When I saw that, something just clicked

Stayed underwater thinking about why the boat was there and got honked at by fwends

Lore question: is there any info (like emote, area/object in realm) that reveals what the spirits ate?

[spring blaze]

they farmed so plants of sorts (shown in ark)
probably mushrooms (play fight spirit cutscene shows the spirit foraging mushrooms, tho idk if its for eating or for potion/spell making)
crabs (crab roast in wasteland)

[round musk]

Did the spirits use candles as currency while they were alive? Is there any clues as to whether the spirits used currency at all or whether they relied on a trade system?

[short owl]

I would imagine that candles would be a good food source for beings made of light. Perhaps the farms were for less... Aggressive candle plants

[round musk]

What did the people of prairie get in return for shipping butterflies to forest? Prairie seemed like a pretty self-reliant community, with jobs and whatnot, so what did they get from trading with forest?

[lethal stump]

the theory goes that by catching the light it gets turned into power diamonds, which are used by the whole kingdom

[round musk]

the theory goes that by catching the light it gets turned into power diamonds, which are used by the whole kingdom
@lethal stump We don't see hardly any power diamonds in prairie though

[lethal stump]

they’re still used, like in the two player doors in the village

prairie is low-tech, but that doesn’t mean they have none

[round musk]

@lethal stump Not enough to account for the extent of the processing industry in prairie. They had a thriving business of packaging and shipping butterflies, but there is hardly any technological advancement there

There must be something else they got out of it

[lethal stump]

well, they don’t need very much tech compared to the rest of the kingdom. they do pretty manual labour
also i bet what they got out of it was being part of the kingdom at all. as well as the fact this is a monarchy, things are going to be unequal.

[round musk]

Fair enough

Prairie and forest were peasant realms, while the others were like thriving cities with little reliance on the king

I only just realized the communist undertones of the game

[lethal stump]

bro keep politics out of the server—
we can chat in dms about it though if you want

[round musk]

More like anarcho-communist but still

Well it's lore related if it helps us understand the dynamic the elders had before they fell

[lethal stump]

hhhhhhh still, mods might delete your message
like i said we can talk in dms, but we should keep irl politics out of sky

[round musk]

Ok cool

[copper hatch]

as a chinese I think the game relates very much with the ancestral worship stuff in Chinese culture, I'm seeing 神主牌 everywhere

[lethal stump]

神主牌
what does that mean ?

[silent flare]

Woah

[copper hatch]

literal translation would be a board for the master god, but actually it would be like a wooden thing with the ancestor / people that passed away's name and place of orgin and maybe other info engraved on it

and people offer them candles, incense, fruit or other things that that "ancestor" likes

so this is what it looks like in an elaborate version

As Jenova Chen is Chinese, I think that make sense

as for sensitive sentiment with the Chinese identity, what I mention for Chinese here refer to the race and culture, not related to the place of origin, like Slav can relate to people not only from Russia

[lethal stump]

woah, that’s cool

a lot like in beta where you found the spirits in one place and lit them there

[hollow pier]

could be... but then, who put the ladder there?
@mortal viper the season of belonging grandpa is the first to sneak in there (canon) so him probably

It's the Eden Elder that got scrapped from official game 💦💦
@sand knoll eden elder is canon not scrapped, as you pointed out we can see them in the mural there

[lethal stump]

@sand knoll eden elder is canon not scrapped, as you pointed out we can see them in the mural there
@hollow pier what mural ?

[nova tiger]

prince?

[hollow pier]

I also scrolled down further and see Ash has confirmed via official sources that the king is present in the lore! yaaaaaay now I don't have to be oblique about how I know the king is canon

Question for everyone, which statues in Eden do we think are the kings? There's only one design of statue in Eden right, the giant big ones that people keep pointing out?

[celest spoke]

“Ancestral tablet” is the usual translation for the wooden household shrine thingy iirc

[short owl]

I haven't seen the word around, but then I wouldn't recognize it. That said, I could very much see the gravestones/stabalizers playing a not dissimilar role?

[hushed sable]

instead of viewing the reams as a progression of human life. The realms can also be viewed as a progression of society. The gradual rise, to the peak (valley), then the collapse (wasteland), then just recoreds and memories are left of it

[cold steppe]

there's definitely many possible interpretations, though the devs have said that the two definite ones are the stages of life and times of day

[exotic shuttle]

those, and stages of civilisation, iirc

[short owl]

Sky kids walk on two legs in the morning, no legs in the afternoon, and two in the evening

[heady sinew]

Who else is enjoying the season of sanctuary music?
@lucid gull Where can I listen to it????

[hoary fiber]

i keep seeing people talking abt || OOB || can someone tell me what that means?

[short owl]

Out of bounds

[frank root]

oob means out of bound

[hoary fiber]

ooohh thank you!

[lethal stump]

does anyone know where the IRL skykid height thing is ? as well as krill length ? thank you !

[gray bridge]

https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/658041369289555980

for irl skykid height

[lethal stump]

thank youuu

[wind bone]

If by ash confirming through official sources you mean she’s said what’s already been said many times and has a stupid amount of evidence confirming it

[ashen jacinth]

Going back to the theme of three on the diamond- the holy trinity is composed of three. Perhaps the king sought to become a god.

[orchid crypt]

where did the king come from? was he one of the "fallen stars" along with the elders?

[round musk]

Yes, according to the intro

I think he only became the king after he fell, and his original form was the Child of Light

[sand abyss]

slides in
King one mad lad if you ask me

( _very interesting madlad _ )

[orchid crypt]

this might tie in with the idea of the king wanting to become a god/ascend, but were there any theories about what that giant red crystal was actually doing? more specifically, why it was shooting a giant ray of light into the sky

because it suddenly reminded me of the light you see right before you start ascending:

[sand abyss]

Hmm one might say the red crystal acts as some sort of power generator

[hushed steeple]

Maybe it was too powerful of a generator and started to rip apart the surrounding realm

[round musk]

Imo that ray of light already existed in Eden before the eye was created, and acted as a portal to orbit. The eye was built around it to suck light directly from orbit

[sand abyss]

A destructive force in which the King may desire to increase his power
who knows tho since we don't know too much about him

[gray bridge]

i thought that it was the basis of some sort of passageway in planning to get back to the sky

[magic stream]

and also, bit confusing when you look at the light in eden from afar is yellow, not red

[short owl]

Given that dark absorbs light, and a lot og similar crystals also absorb light... Maybe it absorbs energy from the environment and stores it in a place that can't actually hold it, causing said light to shoot out the only available direction (up). Light that goes any other direction gets reabsorbed, making it go back into the cycle

Red could just be a band of light capable of escaping the pull enough that you can see it

[round musk]

I think the light ray existed before the eye was created because spirits needed a way to ascend to orbit

[orchid crypt]

it's probably the dust in the immediate atmosphere that's making it look red inside the eye of eden, whereas it appears yellow at a distance outside of the dust cloud?

[magic stream]

hmm, interesting indeed

[orchid crypt]

i'm liking the ideas about it being an attempt by the king to get back into orbit/the sky, though i wonder if that's actually physically possible -- i've always interpreted ascent as something sorta metaphysical/spiritual rather than physically happening

at least, going from that interpretation, the king trying to recreate a spiritual bridge to orbit physically would probably have terrible consequences if it went wrong

[round musk]

I don't think the king wanted to get back to the sky, but rather he was the cause of spirits settling down in the realms and choosing not to ascend anymore

[magic stream]

or maybe, the original purpose was to get back to the sky... butaltered by the king along the way.

[orchid crypt]

oh, that's an interesting one clueless -- do you think he might've actually somehow dragged the elders down?

[round musk]

From the intro, he is the central star to which all the others are connected, so it would make sense if his fall caused the rest of them to fall as well

I think the king was kind of like a representative of all the elders combined

What he did, they all did

i'm liking the ideas about it being an attempt by the king to get back into orbit/the sky, though i wonder if that's actually physically possible -- i've always interpreted ascent as something sorta metaphysical/spiritual rather than physically happening
@orchid crypt I think the beam of light is just the physical side of a bridge between the physical and metaphysical. It's the point at which the metaphysical meets the physical

[orchid crypt]

then it's really a question of whether that red crystal is emitting the beam or trying to harness it

[round musk]

Imo it's trying to harness it, b/c a dark structure can't just produce light

[short owl]

Whatever the red crystal is, it makes recharges harder

[orchid crypt]

it can't produce light, no, but it might be endlessly emitting light that had been stored for a very long time perhaps

[round musk]

Think about it: the diamond is absorbing light not from creatures, not from clouds, but directly from The Light (aka Orbit)

That would be enough to create an energy surge powerful enough to cause a mass extinction

[orchid crypt]

yeah, if it's trying to absorb more energy than it's able to contain (presumably, nothing can handle that much light)

[round musk]

it can't produce light, no, but it might be endlessly emitting light that had been stored for a very long time perhaps
@orchid crypt It would have to have somehow absorbed enough light to be emitting it for hundreds of years and never run out. Where would it get that much light?

[orchid crypt]

i was originally running on the idea it was drawing on the surrounding land, hence why nothing's growing in eden

[round musk]

Ooh that would also explain why we don't see any diamond factories in Eden: because all of that industry and waste was just to create one single power diamond

[mortal viper]

Ah thing tho, dark objects may not be capable of emitting light, but if they are hot enough, it can happen (infrared spectrum, the wavelength that comes before red in the electromagnetic spectrum). That is actually how most of research in astronomy id made.

So I believe this giant diamond is just really hot