lore-discussion-spoilers

[hollow mirage]

It would be better to ask it on #eden-spoilers

[plush cobalt]

@hollow mirage Ohh! 🙊 I thought I was... sorry!

[hollow mirage]

It's ok :D

[plush cobalt]

Thanks!

[lethal stump]

when you’ve been listening to Viva La Vida on repeat for an hour with an amazing idea for an AMV with the King but you have 0 motivation

[sly kestrel]

I can play a cello cover of that song for you

[misty idol]

Has anyone else noticed there’s no mention around the pictures on the wall of the valley of triumph ?

Or it’s sanctuary area?

[sly kestrel]

Ever looked at isle?

[misty idol]

Yeah

I saw nothing

Unless you mean the mention of the temple

[celest spoke]

Are there any murals in Valley?

[drowsy spoke]

There are murals everywhere

[spring blaze]

theres no murals in valley

[heady sinew]

Jay I didn't know you played Chello

[sly kestrel]

Cello guitar and piano

[lethal siren]

So I decided to write up some theory about krill, it’s a bit long, but I would like to hear some feedback on it!

-Mom krill lays one egg, very rarely two eggs in a darkness plant shortly before death in the wasteland, never Eden, krill have learned not to lay eggs in places where sky children have discovered
-Krill eggs hatch, and while just born, feed on the darkness they were born in, sucking the light that is hidden in the leaves, then when the darkness is gone, move on to consuming hidden winged light not seen to sky children, and any other light creature near the area that have not died since wasteland became a wasteland, and the creatures do not die off because they continue to reproduce in wasteland
-When a year have passed, krill is half size and migrates to other spots in wasteland or eden, does not need hardly any light at all, as the light it needs was consumed as a juvenile, although a krill will never say no to the shiny goodness of a sky kid!
-Cycle begins again, normally mom krill lay eggs shorty before dying

-Krill have a certain path they follow once they migrate at half size, they never leave it. When a krill dies, it’s path is soon taken by another, normally younger krill

-The lifespan of a krill can span over a hundred years or just a few, but as it seems a krill dies for every new baby born, the balance remains equal. There is plenty of space for them to thrive.

Other notes:
-There appears to be a manta nest in the area before the graveyard, as the krill who thrives there seems to have a constant supply

[lethal stump]

huh sounds cool owo

[past mountain]

So I was wondering

Why. Does. The. Forest. Temple. Resemble. The. Broken. Temple. In. The. Golden. WASTELAND??

[lethal stump]

we dunno

at least, i don’t

[hushed steeple]

Why. Does. The. Forest. Temple. Resemble. The. Broken. Temple. In. The. Golden. WASTELAND??
Those are powered diamond factory...
Wasteland one is broken..

[jovial nacelle]

Hm

Anyone noticed that the forgotten ark is more “old-fashioned” compared to the Shipwreck where the ship is more modern.

[orchid crypt]

that might be to fit with the mystical/festival image a bit more, but you're right that the shipwreck one is a lot more industrialised

[burnt dagger]

Anyone noticed that the forgotten ark is more “old-fashioned” compared to the Shipwreck where the ship is more modern.
@jovial nacelle
especially because the emote is in the shipwreck area.. a more modern salute to the eyebrow is of recent times

[hollow pier]

Hey I’m curious what are the four different models of boats that we can see in Sky? Calling all lore seekers

[vague plover]

Lmao I think all the scholars have left

Um I dont have any theories on it other than it could be due to the growth of industry and technology and we go on in the maps.

[junior valve]

Maybe the one ship in the ark are made by different type of light ex: you need a (i forgot what color it is) light to move the oar. So, maybe the ship look more older because it uses light and the spirit made that before the shipwreck since, they got stuck there??

I’m definitely not one of the scholars

[hollow pier]

@vague plover I’m a scholar! If that’s what you mean, ping me if you want anything answered; there’s also jay, mochi, and ginsy around! All veritable scholars like me

[uncut pier]

Is there any lore in sky that is actually canon or is everything we know a theory?👀

[junior valve]

Thank god they are back!!!

[vague plover]

There is canon information, I would suggest looking through pins for that though

[uncut pier]

Ok!

[vague plover]

And ohh alright haha. I haven't been on here in awhile lmao I'm sure there is alot of lore people here

[hollow pier]

I made a google doc that’s in the pins full of canon information about sky

[vague plover]

Oooo

That's awesome

[uncut pier]

@hollow pier ahhh thank you i wasnt sure where to start❤

[vague plover]

Um but I know that some questions dont get answered if you ask here sometimes so, if that happens I would suggest using the search bar and put in some key words on a subject you have a question in. The lore chat can be a little deserted at times with not much new information to talk about.

[cobalt mortar]

Listening to one of my favorite podcasts this morning I got a new theory. Sky may be Saturn’s moon Titan! https://www.npr.org/transcripts/884907920

BRUMFIEL: It really is. And there's one more incredible thing about Titan. It has this really dense atmosphere. It's like four times the density of Earth's atmosphere, but the gravitational pull on Titan is just a fraction of Earth's. So there's lots of atmosphere to push against and low gravity, and that means getting airborne is super easy.

(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED NPR BROADCAST)

TURTLE: If you had a good way to keep warm and some oxygen with you to breathe and put wings on, you'd be able to fly.

[red igloo]

Does anyone have any theories regarding the dead bird at the citadel?

[sage isle]

I'm glad someone brought it up

It's kinda just there.

[sly kestrel]

It’s something old from pre launch beta, it doesn’t matter anymore

[zinc egret]

The battlefield in wasteland is very very interesting
It makes me rethink the elders. Are they old gods of this ancient society trying to keep alive? Or are they the spirits of the most influential in the society. Personally I lean toward old gods but am curious what you think
Going each spirit/ god/elder at a time
The dawn isle elder obviously has a boating theme. I think the dawn isle used to be an ocean of some sort that has dried up.If we are going old gods of this world route I think he’s some sort of trading or even ocean oriented figure. Or if he’s a really important spirit created trading routes the people of this society used in order to work it. By rekindling his flame you rekindle the oceans around.
Prairie elder is weird for me. I think if we are going the old gods route he was related to crafts of some sort due to the massive pot but I also think he’d have to do something with nature due to the butterflies they explode out of it once it’s finished. Ship building is another thing that was there in the old like crafty shop you find that once spirit in. As for old influential ancestor I think he was behind a lot of the architectural feats the zones have, maybe he built temples or helped out a bit. Everything has sort of a uniformed design in a way.
Forest time. Easy. If she was a goddess she was goddess of the forge and rain. Rain is very very evident in her zone and forge is because of the anvil and hammer she utilizes. Maybe she was also into crafts. Ancestor wise I think she created a lot of weapons and such since she does seem like sort of a jerk just yanking that light out of your hands. I’m not upset I swear.
To be continued

VALLEY OF TRIUMPH BOIS. easy. If they were gods they were gods of victory and sports or just flat out entertainment. Everything they do they sort of put on a show. Definitely theater kids, they screm the vibe to me. Ancestor route they were definitely the champions of the slip and slide you did in game, very prominent athletes. And competitive as heck.
Wasteland elder if he was a god was a god of war or maybe he was a very very good warrior. I have a theory that the wasteland was the first to be hit by the krill. Maybe he died defending this land or maybe the wastelanders were just really into fighting. Either way war and battling is very closely associated with this zone.
Knowledge time. Education. As a deity I think this elder was a knowledge or wisdom deity. Ancestor wise I think he was the maker of the library, which gives heavy library of Alexandria feels to me. Maybe that’s what the wastelanders were protecting. I also think maybe they were involved in cartography idk why but stars used to tell people where to go so maybe.

I believe the knowledge vault was also some sort of school. The spirit where you learn the doctor strange thing was trying to levitate. Maybe they were trying to harness the light

[spring blaze]

i always saw vault as a library of alexandria haha

[candid hare]

That's actually some really interesting concepts ^^

I remember hearing that each realm thingy in sky had to d with some stage of life (prarie = childhood, wasteland= midlife crisis, etc) so I always followed that when exploring the realms

[zinc egret]

Ooo! That’s cool

Wasteland is some midlife crisis

[candid hare]

yess that's true haha

I think I saw it in a concept art post

I'll link it here if I find it again ^^

[zinc egret]

I really like that though it’s super cool !
Please link!

[sly kestrel]

It’s confirmed so no need to share a concept about it

[zinc egret]

I am trying to figure out what happened at the wasteland tbh it’s so weird going from happy fun times at the Olympic s to
run run run run

[candid hare]

I think about that a lot too!

[zinc egret]

When you’re finally out of college but realize jobs are a thing

[candid hare]

I guess it just goes from youth and freedom to overwhelming responsibility?

yess that's how i think of it too haha

[zinc egret]

More than likely

[spring blaze]

i think the races in valley represents that decline to midlife crisis

[candid hare]

Ohhh true!

Neglecting responsibility for fun maybe?

[spring blaze]

maybe!

like you were too distracted and having fun as an adult that when you reach that age for midlife crisis, you’re left pondering “why didnt i do more?” as well as that realization that you’re not going to be alive forever

[candid hare]

Ohhh yes I like that description of it

[zinc egret]

Yea!

[candid hare]

I think the vault is also accepting that

[zinc egret]

Wasteland could be hiding from responsibilities

That’s when you’re farthest from the krill

[candid hare]

Ohh, I always thought of it more as facing your responsibilities head on

[spring blaze]

yeah vault is like “i accept that im gonna die, and i’m gonna try to leave something behind for the future generations” hence why its a vault of knowledge (or a library of sorts)

[zinc egret]

I feel like Eden is more that cause
Things

Not the vault thing

[spring blaze]

[candid hare]

Well, Eden felt more like your deathbed to me

kinda like your last moments of life

[zinc egret]

But you do get reborn is the thing

[candid hare]

yess that's true

but just in terms of the symbolic stages of life, eden would be death imo

[zinc egret]

True true

[candid hare]

I always thought of the forest as the teenage years lol

[zinc egret]

Very very true

She is a very mean lady

[candid hare]

Since it was the first actual challenge in the game for me

aside from flying haha

[spring blaze]

yes forest has been described as emo even by the devs

[candid hare]

that's amazing

I'm still not sure what to think of the Isle tho

Is that birth or is that the beginning of the prairie?

[spring blaze]

it’s birth

isle: birth
prairie: childhood
forest: adolescence (teenage)
valley: adulthood
wasteland: midlife crisis
vault: old age
eden: death
orbit: rebirth

and the cycle continues

[candid hare]

ohhh

[spring blaze]

this has been confirmed by the devs

[candid hare]

that makes a lot of sense now :0

[spring blaze]

[zinc egret]

Oooo

[sinful anvil]

no wonder the forest is so rainy

[ocean ivy]

That’s also why it’s clarified sometimes a new realm can’t be added but only areas in the realm like underground forest and ark

There isn’t really any extra stage in life

[heady lake]

hey I'm not sure but has anyone gone over what this is? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2WmNMdL43c

[normal berry]

In the earlier concepts, the megabird is sort of a god like figure and the skykids origin, however, this may not be canon anymore

You can see it in orbit and in the office entrance

However, i think this is more of a nod to the early concepts than an actual in-game thing

[ocean ivy]

Maybe such will be answered one day in a livestream

[zinc egret]

Theory I have for that big bird behind the locked gate in valley of triumph
Well it’s been confirmed this is our little baby light child growing up that’s what the game means
This bird happens right before the wasteland or our kid having a midlife crisis
What if it’s the death of innocence or peace, since it’s a white bird

[cold steppe]

I don't think the game is about the skykids growing up. I think it's more a picture of real life

The pictures aren’t great, but I found these lights

I think the really bright one is the sun, the line is Eden, and the last one I can’t figure out

The one that looks like the light surrounding a winged light from the distance

[polar parrot]

I think its lens flare Wren

[short owl]

It may also be Orbit. They could well still be up there watching us, even durring the day

[cold steppe]

It could be lens flare

just thought it was weird that it showed up in only certain positions

[short owl]

Are crack theories welcome here? I have one that I don't think has merit but could be an interesting chat.

[cold steppe]

all theories can be heard

[short owl]

So the land of Sky (Horizon, for simplicitly) is described by the devs as "a world of dreams". Taken literally, this would suggest that Horizon is a world where dreams live.

In popular media involving dreams and nightmares, dreams are often light while nightmares are dark. If we apply this logic, then spirits could be dreams, krill and crabs could be nightmares, and we would be... also nightmares, but different from Krill and crabs. Crabs would be less impactful but faster acting nightmares. Krill have more buildup.

Having done some thinking though, I don't think winged light would be dreams - more likely they'd be dreamers. Because everything in this world seems to run on light, it makes sense that there has to be an entry point for the light, and that they would need to be a very powerful light source.

We'd also be a nightmare, and actively carying a dreamer, but perhaps of a different type than crabs and krill. Specifically, we'd be a nightmare about taking. While in Horizon, we do a lot of giving of light, but that light might not really be ours per se - it would be theirs.

Typically when a dream enters Horizon, they'd probably be carried by a dream or a nightmare, and then that dream or nightmare would take them back to the sky for the non-dream parts of sleep that come before they wake up. Unfortunatly, Horizon got temporarily cut off, causing dreamers to get stuck in their nightmares for too long, causing them to... not lucid dream, but still escape their nightmare while too deep in Horizon to wake up. To get them to wake up, we have to make them face the worst of their fears and return them to their nightmares, that way they can be returned to the concious stream and wake up normally

allbeit after a really bad nap

[pallid gyro]

I was wondering, what does ‘the light’ refer to? Is it the eye of Eden?

Or is it the ||place you get to before being reborn||

When you’re done with a constellation it says to ||visit the light||

So I was wondering what ‘the light’ really is

[jade river]

Probably the star tbh

[crude fable]

The megabird

[jade river]

The light in sky is the star (orbit)

[mossy trellis]

||At the end of Eden you give your light to stone statues.|| These statues are sky children that have passed before and gave up all there light. Once you use all of your light a NPC gives you some. You are a stone statue and another player is give you its light to save you. And the loop goes on

[crude fable]

Was made of it

[mossy trellis]

Why is your heart made of light

And have 3 eyes

[crude fable]

Every living thing seems to be made out of light or darkness in the game

[mossy trellis]

What if the dark is really just light that was infected with ill thoughts. So krill are actually sky children transformed by there own evil thoughts

[blazing terrace]

I think it’s canon that the creatures in sky were all put into existence naturally ? I don’t think the krill were formed from corruption. (?)

[pallid gyro]

Maybe the krills and Crabs are just nightmares to the sky children

[crude fable]

The krills aren't made of darkness?

Are you sure?

[mossy trellis]

But krill omit light as well like the bells and your call

[blazing terrace]

The krill are dark creatures

[crude fable]

Cause they skin look a lot like ours when we die

Their*

[blazing terrace]

So yeah made of darkness
But I don’t think that means corrupted

[crude fable]

I think our lifeform is a mix of darkness and light, if our skin wasn't black we could not absorb light

We go to that different plane of existence when our light side has been divided from our dark side

And that's why we see the dark and light children hugging at the end

[mossy trellis]

What if krill were the sky children at the beginning who escaped from clouds and lost there light

[short owl]

Black does absorb light though. What it doesn't do is reflect it

[mossy trellis]

And now they want to steal it back

[crude fable]

We need to light up the candles because darkness absorbs it!

But in order for us to exist darkness must exist

And it is our mission to maintain equilibrium

[mossy trellis]

How do you explain ||oreo||

[crude fable]

Oreo is an apparition of the megabird, the god of Sky

[mossy trellis]

As we see in ||office|| the sky has contact with earth. What if a trade went on between sky and earth but like Pandora’s jar corruption and greed seeped in from earth. And Oreo was part of that trade!!

[crude fable]

So darkness is the greed from earth?

[mossy trellis]

Yes

Have you read Pandora’s jar myth

[crude fable]

Yes

Why is the darkness only visible from sky then?

[mossy trellis]

What do you mean

[crude fable]

We don't see kirlls nor dark plant on earth

But they come from here, right?

Why can't we see it if they are here?

[cold steppe]

I don't think office ties into the lore of Sky though

[mossy trellis]

Possibly because the sky’s magic changed the darkness from a concept and thoughts into physical object

[cold steppe]

it's more of a fun easter egg, much like Oreo and the flower from the game Flower

[crude fable]

Maybe there is a secret

[celest spoke]

Wasn’t there a Halloween krill in office tho

[cold steppe]

for fun, yes

but it doesn't tie into lore

[mossy trellis]

Maybe the king of sky tried to cover up his mistakes and only let in his most trusted advisers(beta testers) to earth so no one ever blames it on him

How about murals

Decrypting murals should as deer questions

[crude fable]

By the way, our we the same lifeforms as the individuals of the lost civilization?

[mossy trellis]

Doubt it

Sky children are made of pure light expressed through the magic of Horizon

[crude fable]

What is Horizon?

[mossy trellis]

Sky World

[crude fable]

Do you know what the individuals of the lost civilization were made of?

Maybe they were made of light too

[celest spoke]

But we can get bonked into dark shapes that can still move

[mossy trellis]

Good point

[crude fable]

Are the spirits these individuals?

[mossy trellis]

What about seasons

[crude fable]

Seasons are spirits that are discovered later on by the children

[mossy trellis]

There must have been a war in sky because battlefield

[celest spoke]

Seasons also tend to open up new areas too

[crude fable]

Yep, one of the images at the end of the vault shows a war

Newly discovered lands

[mossy trellis]

Krill against children

Children against children

Spirits against children

Spirits against eleders

Endless possibilities

[crude fable]

I think it was a war between the members of the old civilization

If the spirits were the individuals of the old civilization then they are not made of light, otherwise they would shine like us in orbit

[mossy trellis]

Explain chino mask

Chino

Chibi

[crude fable]

Who is that?

[mossy trellis]

Chibi mask

With autocorrect on

[crude fable]

Ooh

Just a person with a baby face!

[mossy trellis]

What if sky children need masks to compress there light into a form

[crude fable]

Right, like their light recipients

[mossy trellis]

When you teleport to a friend your body is removed leaving you with pure light that can travel at speed of light

[crude fable]

It seems that light is also what makes our clothing, maybe it was the resource the old civilization fighted for

[mossy trellis]

And winged light is light that adds to your form therefor giving you more flight power

[celest spoke]

Do we see any “scrolls” (holocubes) in Valley? it just occurred to me that maybe it doesn’t have murals bc they found a techier way of recording info... tho then again Ark has both scrolls and murals, unless their scrolls were read-only unwriteables

[mossy trellis]

thatgamecompany has referred to these glowing children as "Imprints of Children of Light,"

Maybe when your light dies your leftover light enters a new child. And when you give light(after eden) your giving back what you took

[orchid crypt]

are the krill confirmed to be naturally-occurring lifeforms rather than something artificial or engineered? they emit a strangely mechanical whirring as they fly above you

[forest dragon]

Wasnt there some light krill in the concept art? I think theyre just, corrupted boyes? The lore isnt very clear ingame and I havent read the big doc yet sjdbskfbd

https://i.imgur.com/LPswHst.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/NgJhWKO.jpg

[orchid crypt]

the first picture looks a bit more like a multi-winged manta to me, but that second one is definitely interesting with the "saved/freed" caption...definitely haven't met any chill krills in-game though

[zinc egret]

Maybe mantas, like the big big boys in vault of knowledge, are the krill but light version
There’s just not a lot cause they all got krillified

[hollow pier]

The big boi in vault most likely isn’t a manta it’s a cosmic whale or something; it’s related to mantas probably but it itself isn’t one in all likelihood

@orchid crypt while darkness is kinda confirmed to be natural the dark creatures we don’t know; there’s a good chance the cosmic whale in vault is an uncorrupted version of a krill as that level of vault represents wasteland

One day we might get our promised livestream on light and dark creatures

It was to be the next livestream and then the apocalypse happened

[sinful anvil]

is there an instance that dark is not evil

(mb i should put it in discussion)

(nah it entails spoilers)

[orchid crypt]

in the context of sky? i'm not sure if it's ever stated anywhere, but i find the death scene rather interesting because of how we turn all black

it'd make sense to me if the sky kids are actually beings of "darkness" in the sense that that's how they manage to collect and gather light, since black absorbs light -- but we're clearly not playing a malicious role in the lore of the game

[sinful anvil]

ya
it’s a p lighthearted game so i wonder if it does any subverting too

[gray bridge]

maybe sky kids are a metaphor for balance between light and darkness since one cannot exist without the other o:

[orchid crypt]

that's quite possible res, the concept of balance is pretty prevalent in eastern cultures

i think it's more a western thing to think of darkness as necessarily evil, whereas yin-yang is another way of looking at it

i still say the krill are terrifying regardless though

[mossy trellis]

What if krill is greed from our world that seeped into sky and got a form via sky’s
Magic

[lethal stump]

huh- my comment got deleted

[queen jungle]

Okay so.. whales and krills. The whale is implied to be the last of its kind.
SO. What if.. the rest were corrupted and turned into Krills?

[gray bridge]

ehh but krills have always been referred to as dark dragons

[queen jungle]

Always? or is it something they became?

Think of the Corruption in Steven Universe.

Gem Monsters weren't always Gem Monsters.

[gray bridge]

the whale looks completely different though, way bigger than krills and has a physical body

[queen jungle]

corruption can change a lot about someone or something.

[azure vale]

okay this is 100% off topic to that but do candles have a connection to the lore in any way or did tgc just need a currency

[copper drum]

i mean the physical body is completely different

between two of dem

[gray bridge]

but krills are just

dark matter

and the whale isn't a creature if light

*of

[azure vale]

why do krills have dandruff

[maiden bronze]

Dark energy

[copper drum]

ah yes dark matter krills is in space

[queen jungle]

Yo... what if there was something that created these?

[gray bridge]

the whale is more of a neutral being

[azure vale]

stinky shrimp are shedding everywhere

[queen jungle]

Is there something there? bigger than all of us?

[copper drum]

well,

[gray bridge]

but i do think krills are corrupted beings of some sort of light creature, since they have the same blue light as sky kids and spirits

... megabird

but that's not exactly confirmed

[queen jungle]

Who poisoned the world with darkness?

[copper drum]

how does golden wasteland become a wasteland?

[queen jungle]

Who filled it with light?

[gray bridge]

from the intro in isle, there was always light since the elders were in alliance, then i think somewhere along the way darkness came into the picture and they fell from the stars and to the sky/ground

[copper drum]

so

[queen jungle]

Like Kingdom Hearts?

[copper drum]

darkness is from another world?

[gray bridge]

in my theory i think it was a result of greed

[copper drum]

how did u know?

[queen jungle]

Oooooo. Kingdom Hearts has a similar lore.

[gray bridge]

and this greed to advance civilisation led to taking advantage of light and creating power diamonds

there's a power diamond theory

the greed thing is just what i think

[queen jungle]

Ooo... the power diamonds in Hidden Forest...
I always wondered what was behind that door in the temple...

Anyone know Kingdom Hearts btw?

[gray bridge]

nope i don't

[cold steppe]

Which door in temple?

[gray bridge]

it's canon that the power diamonds did play a part in causing the downfall of the sky kingdom tho

[cold steppe]

There’s one that was for an old beta spirit in the Forest temple

[queen jungle]

It has a similar lore. Light once reigned supreme, everyone lived in harmony. But people soon wanted the light for themselves and darkness was born in their hearts. Heartless were created and ate up hearts and the world's hearts. The only ones who kept the light are children. That's Kingdom Hearts.

The only door you can't open. By the darkness tree.

[copper drum]

ooo

[queen jungle]

Mhm-

[opaque mango]

I saw that theory somewhere hshs

[cyan sonnet]

Kk

[copper drum]

wot

[cyan sonnet]

Lmao what?

[queen jungle]

REALLY?

[cyan sonnet]

Oh

[copper drum]

wha-

[cyan sonnet]

Dang... I guess great minds think alike lmao

[copper drum]

mor theory wher

krill warmachine? for war?

[queen jungle]

Wait, for me or...?

[cold steppe]

@queen jungle
From the first beta album in the pins

This is what was behind the door in the temple

[hushed steeple]

Winged lights we catch in the realms, wat r they ?

[copper drum]

winged lights.

[orchid crypt]

the term "imprints of a child of light" has been used to refer to the winged light children before

exactly what that's supposed to mean is anyone's guess

[cyan sonnet]

Anyways Does anyone know what sky characters are? Like their species? And their purpose? I have an idea but I’d like to hear your guys thoughts...

[hushed steeple]

@copper drum u feel cool ya 😒

[copper drum]

no, its winged lights

[cold steppe]

And the child of light is something we have a relationship with (like a connection), but we don’t know details of that either

[copper drum]

lost part of ourselves? idk

[cyan sonnet]

the term "imprints of a child of light" has been used to refer to the winged light children before
@orchid crypt I feel like when a child of the light has died they get turned into those which is why when you die in eden you lose them since a dead child of light can’t hold other dead children...

Kinda sad but idk-

[hollow garnet]

is the child of light, the one that we hug before being reborn, different from the winged lights we pick up? I took that scene as a sort of near death hallucination in which the skykid chooses to continue life in hugging that one last lit part of themself

[cold steppe]

The devs have mentioned a singular child of light

We’re children of the light, but not the child of light

[queen jungle]

Oh thank you, Wren!

[orchid crypt]

yeah, the devs mentioning a singular "child of light" when contrasted with "children of light" in the title always trips me up a little

[cyan sonnet]

I feel like this explanation would make sense as for why when you die you turn into a statue ... the statues you give the winged light to

[queen jungle]

Oh crap never thought about that much.

[cold steppe]

Yeah, it’s one of the (many) things we don’t really have clear answers on (yet)

In old beta the statues used to have your friends’ names on them

[orchid crypt]

yeah, i think it's common belief that the statues are other sky kids -- you're basically going in to save someone else who did what you're going in to do now

[queen jungle]

HOLY CRAB-

[cold steppe]

But that’s not really a thing anymore, so you can’t really take that as current lore

[queen jungle]

I see why they didn't keep that.

[cyan sonnet]

yeah, i think it's common belief that the statues are other sky kids -- you're basically going in to save someone else who did what you're going in to do now
@orchid crypt yeah

[orchid crypt]

oh wow, i wish they kept that detail about the friends' names in

[cyan sonnet]

^^

[orchid crypt]

though it'd be a little distracting if said friend was also with you in the room

[hollow garnet]

I feel like that would be confusing honestly

[queen jungle]

But it does raise a question...

[cold steppe]

The beta albums in the pins are amazing. Highly recommend checking them out

[queen jungle]

Why didn't the others get reborn too?

[cold steppe]

The person who compiled them and wrote commentary was a beta tester from the very beginning of the testing period and showed a lot of the changes that went on until launch

[orchid crypt]

perhaps they do -- we're never told exactly how long we spent in "limbo" before breaking out after hugging the child

[queen jungle]

Hmm...

[hollow garnet]

when skykids are reborn, I think maybe they are given new bodies

[orchid crypt]

it might've been years before someone freed us

[cyan sonnet]

is the child of light, the one that we hug before being reborn, different from the winged lights we pick up? I took that scene as a sort of near death hallucination in which the skykid chooses to continue life in hugging that one last lit part of themself
@hollow garnet I feel like that child might represent what all the elders lost maybe?

[hushed steeple]

Children of light have ghost and spirit. Both r in one person. If u have light than is ur spirit stronger than ur ghost. The property of life comes with the spirit and the spirit needs light as energy to live and fly

[queen jungle]

ALSO, there are some children of light near the point of no return who are sitting instead of standing like the rest.

[hushed steeple]

Its like the daoism concept i think

[queen jungle]

Hmm...

Is this like yin and yang?

[cyan sonnet]

ALSO, there are some children of light near the point of no return who are sitting instead of standing like the rest.
@queen jungle maybe that represent complacency...

[queen jungle]

@cyan sonnet Maybe...

[hushed steeple]

And the winged lights we find r the lost spirits of the childs statues in eden. They need it to live because the ghost is not worth without the spirit

[orchid crypt]

it might also represent them accepting their fate after they've run out of winged lights?

[hushed steeple]

Yin yang is a concept based on daosim. In islam is this concept named Sufism

[cyan sonnet]

it might also represent them accepting their fate after they've run out of winged lights?
@orchid crypt yeah that falls under complacency tho since complacency is ultimately sitting back and accepting what you have

I think...

[queen jungle]

Daoism and Sufism... it means dualism, right?

[hushed steeple]

Nope@queen jungle

[orchid crypt]

i do wonder why there're some statues that are so much further out than the others though -- the last ones you can save almost seem like they're trying to reach for the giant crystal

[dreamy lion]

Okay so I have a question about the story of Sky but I don't know if this will be tagged as spoiler... Forgive me in advance! Hehe. But, why is there a Battlefield at Waseteland? Who did the Elders battle?

[orchid crypt]

was there another reason they went down there, besides to save everyone else?

[cyan sonnet]

Isn’t that what we’re going for as well though?

[hushed steeple]

Both r the same person. They need to melt

[orchid crypt]

@ sea: someone raised the idea of a civil war breaking out before

[dreamy lion]

Civil war 😮

but why?

[queen jungle]

...maybe the volcano (that crystal) was actually the end goal. To stop it from spreading darkness, I think...

Oh yeah. Duality. Two sides of the same coin.

[orchid crypt]

there's a character in the concept art who we never see in-game, but a statue of the king still exists in the battlefield

[queen jungle]

WAIT WHAT IF THAT RED CRYSTAL IS A CORRUPTED POWER DIAMOND?

[orchid crypt]

i think that's most likely what it is, yeah

a diamond/reactor gone out of control

[dreamy lion]

I---

I LOVE THEORIES

[queen jungle]

Me too!!!

[drifting copper]

the red diamond is a corrupted power diamond yeah

[queen jungle]

Ooooooo

[eager shore]

The theories for this game are so cool

[drifting copper]

you can see it cracking at stormlock

[cyan sonnet]

I wonder if there are such a thing as dark spirits ... like an alternate universe to sky where there are dark children dark spirits and dark elders... maybe these dark ppl had such dark hearts that they couldn’t be saved and instead of becoming dormant (like most of the elders) they became evil... idk that’s be kinda cool tho...

[orchid crypt]

@dreamy lion this may be of interest to you, from the pins:
https://imgur.com/a/TxQvMHr

[cyan sonnet]

*that’d

[drifting copper]

oooo corrupted spirits

[queen jungle]

So they wanted to make... a bigger power diamond possibly to power the entire kingdom.. but something failed...

[dreamy lion]

I’ll read

[drifting copper]

maybe some of the elders are corrupted since they’re trapped in a world beyond space and time

[cyan sonnet]

oooo corrupted spirits
@drifting copper yeah

[orchid crypt]

the spirits have dark colour schemes to begin with, so that always made me wonder whether they're made of light or darkness

[hushed steeple]

The maker of the game is an asian person. I think he try to give the message choose the way of light and be ready for sacrifice urself to bring more light and more lifes

[gray bridge]

at the core of spirits is a dark ball so

[drifting copper]

the spirits were humans i think

they weren’t light nor dark

[cold steppe]

Or something similar, yes

[drifting copper]

they just existed

[queen jungle]

Ooo I love dark counterparts. And maybe there are light krills in that dark world.

[cyan sonnet]

The maker of the game is an asian person. I think he try to give the message choose the way of light and be ready for sacrifice urself to bring more light and more lifes
@hushed steeple cool but what does that have to do with being Asian!? Lmaoo

[queen jungle]

spirits were both light and dark let's put it that way.

[drifting copper]

yeah i don’t see how asian plays into that skdhdjdh

[queen jungle]

Asian has a certain religion. Of giving.

[hushed steeple]

Asians have the culture of ying yang since over 3k years

[drifting copper]

oh you mean the chinese

[gray bridge]

there are other cultures of asia other than china bro

[cyan sonnet]

Ooo I love dark counterparts. And maybe there are light krills in that dark world.
@queen jungle yeah, I feel like the counterparts to krill are the graceful whales you see in the hidden forest so I believe the foundation for counterparts exists already

[pearl void]

Rebirth reborn

[drifting copper]

not all asians believe in the ying yang stuff

[hushed steeple]

Tibetians for example

But this is from their Religion

[dreamy lion]

What if being in an unending cycle of being ||reborn|| is the curse we have to live by as a punishment?

[gray bridge]

not all asians have the same religion either too

[dreamy lion]

I don’t know

[hushed steeple]

Have a big history

[dreamy lion]

Shisshjssid

[drifting copper]

you don’t need to spoiler tag here

[coarse dune]

Why do diamonds give power? Isn't the power obtained from other skykids and cotl? Then why we're diamonds introduced?

[dreamy lion]

Oki HAHAHAHA

JUST TO BE SAFE

[queen jungle]

@queen jungle yeah, I feel like the counterparts to krill are the graceful whales you see in the hidden forest so I believe the foundation for counterparts exists already
@cyan sonnet Ooo. I wonder if we'll get to explore that later ..
Like... a world that explains this?

[pearl void]

Or we can say the creator adopt the influence from asian, not necessarily he is from asian

[drifting copper]

the diamonds are artificial power cause the natural light became scarce in their times

[cold steppe]

Anka, I understand what you were trying to say, but it’s slightly very offensive to paint all Asians as (1) having the same religious beliefs and (2) putting them into the game

[gray bridge]

thank you

[cyan sonnet]

But this is from their Religion
@hushed steeple well yes but nowadays a lot of ppl not just Asians believe in this

@cyan sonnet Ooo. I wonder if we'll get to explore that later ..
Like... a world that explains this?
@queen jungle yas

[hushed steeple]

@cold steppe i dont paint all asians but their history

[queen jungle]

I'd love that so much!

[cold steppe]

I say that as an Asian person who does not share the “traditional” beliefs

[drifting copper]

the ying yang thing is just mythology now it’s not a religious thought

[dreamy lion]

Same here ^

[hushed steeple]

That is their history i mean

[gray bridge]

but not all asians have the same history either...

[cyan sonnet]

Same

[coarse dune]

Not to be rude to anybody but I M Asian and I don't follow the same

[drifting copper]

eyyy asians

[dreamy lion]

I’m Asian and a freethinker

[gray bridge]

please don't generalise the whole of asia

[dreamy lion]

I live in a Catholic county tho so y’all

[pearl void]

Well asian have a lot of cultures, some have common believe like, rebirth reborn incarnation samsara

[hushed steeple]

The tibetians believe in that and make unbelievable things with chi

[drifting copper]

i have way different beliefs from the common stereotypical things

[coarse dune]

Though rn all asians here r thinking the same thing that we are different

[orchid crypt]

somewhat relevant to the current discussion: in an interview, the creator mentions that it's not meant to be a religious game, though it is still a very spiritual experience: https://www.mcvuk.com/business-news/pennies-from-heaven-thatgamecompanys-jenova-chen-on-monetisation-in-sky-children-of-the-light/

[cold steppe]

I do agree that the creators may have been inspired by the concepts of ying and yang

[queen jungle]

I'm African American and I like the concept of yin and yang and other things.

[dreamy lion]

I think it’s more of the feeling you get while you play the game really so it’s highly subjective

[orchid crypt]

interestingly enough though, the architecture was inspired by "Burma, Bhutan and Tibet" buildings

[coarse dune]

This is an interesting channel!!

[queen jungle]

Also, speaking of dark skinned, there's a certain chemical in your skin that determines how dark you are in regards to withstanding the sun's rays.
The Skykids must be dark to withstand being in a realm of sky and sun all the time.

[hushed steeple]

Yea it have nothing to do with the origin of the people. But ying yang concept is based on daosim wat is older than 3000 years. This believing is from asia that was wat i mean

[drifting copper]

jenova got a lot of inspiration for the game’s design so i’m not surprised people can see a lot to it

[cyan sonnet]

tru

[cold steppe]

Like I said, I understand what you were trying to say, but just keep in mind that it’s offensive to paint all of Asia as being the same in their beliefs

[orchid crypt]

i can't remember if i mentioned it earlier in this particular discussion, but i always thought the sky kids were dark because they don't naturally radiate light -- they can absorb and take in some themselves

[cyan sonnet]

Also, speaking of dark skinned, there's a certain chemical in your skin that determines how dark you are in regards to withstanding the sun's rays.
The Skykids must be dark to withstand being in a realm of sky and sun all the time.
@queen jungle but I mean the sky children are already brown to begin with so-

[queen jungle]

Exactly. They have to be.

Darkness absorbs... light...

[hushed steeple]

@cold steppe but indont do this wat u say. Maybe i tell it false

[drifting copper]

sorry anka but what you’ve been saying is offensive and got misunderstood cause of the use of asia

[coarse dune]

R we really discussing racism here guys? Let's change topic 💜❤💜❤💜❤

[gray bridge]

aren't sky kids hollow though

[grave dust]

I always wondered if it was influenced by this spiritual concept: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tikkun_olam

[drifting copper]

you made it seem like the entire continent of asia has the same beliefs and history

[cyan sonnet]

R we really discussing racism here guys? Let's change topic 💜❤💜❤💜❤
@fae.ruhi#3301 agreed

[queen jungle]

WOAH. SKYKIDS ARE BOTH DARK AND LIGHT.

[cold steppe]

In game, it looks like they’re hollow

[drifting copper]

yeah skykids are both dark and light cosmic

[cold steppe]

But that might be game mechanics

[queen jungle]

Creatures of dark, creatures of light.

Able to take light. Like the Krill.

[dreamy lion]

Mmm

[cyan sonnet]

WOAH. SKYKIDS ARE BOTH DARK AND LIGHT.
@queen jungle where!? Show me a white sky kid (talking abt real white btw not peach skin tone)

[drifting copper]

the dark creatures have always been dark creatures so a light krill doesn’t exist

[gray bridge]

ahhh it's mechanics vs lore all over again

[hushed steeple]

@drifting copper omg.sorry yall i dont want to be Offensive. I tell it false forgive me

[queen jungle]

Able to give light too.

[dreamy lion]

It’s cute how our game is called Sky but then the creatures that fly are aquatic hihi

all good Anka!!!

[orchid crypt]

sky kids are both light and dark
there's one particular concept art that should really interest you with that idea

[queen jungle]

Lyst, does it say that there were never light krills?

[cyan sonnet]

the dark creatures have always been dark creatures so a light krill doesn’t exist
@drifting copper we just said that the whale could be a possible counterpart

[orchid crypt]

the connected/descendant/indifferent trio seem pretty striking on that idea

[cyan sonnet]

Lyst, does it say that there were never light krills?
@queen jungle ^^^

[grave dust]

According to this vision of the world, God contracted part of God's infinite light (Ohr Ein Sof)—concealing Himself—to create the world. The vessels (kelim) of the first universe—Olam HaTohu, i.e., the "world of chaos"—shattered (Shevirat HaKelim) and their shards became sparks of light (neẓuẓot) trapped within the next universe—Olam HaTikun, i.e., "the world of rectification." Prayer, especially contemplation of various aspects of the divinity (sephirot), releases these sparks of God's light and allows them to reunite with God's essence.

[drifting copper]

[coarse dune]

To be honest I like the metal-type skykid colour... Not whote not black... It just looks perfect... Like a kid who absorbed too much light and hence became metallic coloured

[drifting copper]

ok i’m out i’m not gonna talk about the creature designs

[cyan sonnet]

there's one particular concept art that should really interest you with that idea
@orchid crypt wdym? By one concept?

[cold steppe]

I was flipping through masks today and I noticed that the Belonging masks are slightly lighter in color

[queen jungle]

@queen jungle where!? Show me a white sky kid (talking abt real white btw not peach skin tone)
@cyan sonnet Also I meant in.. like.. able to give light, like butterflies and manta. And able to take light, like Krills and Crabs.

[cold steppe]

But then again, they’re masks

Not actual faces

[grave dust]

Basically reuniting shards of light

[orchid crypt]

@cyan sonnet "concept art", as in, a drawing of an idea of how things might look in the game before it was made

[cyan sonnet]

Ohh

[grave dust]

Back to their origin

[dreamy lion]

I mean does the complexion of our sky kid characters really matter? Shsjsjs

[queen jungle]

It does, kinda. Because of the melatonin that protects them from the sun.

[cold steppe]

Concept art may or may not be canon. Canon lore depends on if it’s in game or not (or confirmed by the devs)

I mean, assuming skykids have melatonin

[cyan sonnet]

@cyan sonnet Also I meant in.. like.. able to give light, like butterflies and manta. And able to take light, like Krills and Crabs.
@queen jungle oh I see, I thought we were talking abt their skin being able to absorb light

[orchid crypt]

yeah, some of these may be entirely outdated by now -- we're just using the concept art to guess at what kind of ideas they were thinking of when they drew up the game, in case it hints at something that they haven't outright told us yet

[cyan sonnet]

I mean, assuming skykids have melatonin
@cold steppe true some they aren’t human (I don’t think)

[queen jungle]

@queen jungle oh I see, I thought we were talking abt their skin being able to absorb light
@cyan sonnet That too. That's what made me realize they're both creatures of dark and light.

[cold steppe]

I know there’s a theory that skykids are made of clay or something

[dreamy lion]

Sky kids are made from stars right?

[cold steppe]

cries in incomplete lore

[orchid crypt]

they really wouldn't like water if they were actually made of clay

[grave dust]

Made of porcelain bc of the sound they make on the ice

[queen jungle]

Winged lights were once called stars.

[cyan sonnet]

I know there’s a theory that skykids are made of clay or something
@cold steppe that reminds me of the clay army story... where an emperor made a bunch of clay figures of all the ppl who served him I think...

[cold steppe]

Yeah, the little foot noises are interesting

[dreamy lion]

I think we’re made of stars?

[gray bridge]

i've noticed that the limbs of sky kids don't match the colour of their face

[cold steppe]

They don’t! And I’ve wondered about that

[dreamy lion]

Mmm

[cold steppe]

Their face is black and their hands and feet are brown

why

[dreamy lion]

jKSHDEJKED

[gray bridge]

why

[queen jungle]

I think.. you know shooting stars..? when you pick one up how does it feel?

[cyan sonnet]

i've noticed that the limbs of sky kids don't match the colour of their face
@gray bridge rly? my arms are brown..

[gray bridge]

yeah like wren said sky kids' faces are black

[cyan sonnet]

Their face is black and their hands and feet are brown
@cold steppe my mask looks brown to me 😳 am I blind?

[dreamy lion]

Yeah Skykids are shooting stars that fell from the sky maybe

[gray bridge]

no no not your mask

under the mask

[queen jungle]

@cold steppe my mask looks brown to me 😳 am I blind?
@cyan sonnet Take off the mask.

[keen moat]

cosmic, they were called stars by players mostly. tgc are very tight lipped about official names, which lets unofficial ones grow. for instance, did you know shipwreck is named crab fields?

[cyan sonnet]

Ohh like the actual face

Kk

[grave dust]

It’s probably more so that they’re void of light and rely on it to glow/fly

[queen jungle]

cosmic, they were called stars by players mostly. tgc are very tight lipped about official names, which lets unofficial ones grow. for instance, did you know shipwreck is named crab fields?
@keen moat oml I didn't. xD

[cyan sonnet]

Imma check that when I play again

[dreamy lion]

LMAO CRAB FIELDS

[gray bridge]

stars in the game are elders though

[cold steppe]

Yeah, if you take off the mask and hair, your entire head is black

The stars in the cutscene are the elders

[dreamy lion]

Sending this here without context: https://youtu.be/1Laf6BTezeg

[cold steppe]

I’m not sure if it’s confirmed if there are other stars that aren’t elders

[gray bridge]

i've thought of spirits as stars as well since they make up elder constellations

[cold steppe]

But there’s a bunch of lights in the sky that look like stars

[queen jungle]

Maybe...

they're what we hadn't explored?

[cyan sonnet]

I feel like sky children represent what the elders have lost (which is why we’re the ones who bring them their light) during their war or whatever tea was spilled during that drama... or maybe the children of the light used to be a material object and was struck by something... something with lots of heat maybe so when it scattered and transformed into sky children their heads were black from the heat/force or friction of the blow? Idk this is one of my loose theories ...

[gray bridge]

inb4 multiple timelines perhaps there's actually one sky kid per timeline

[cyan sonnet]

Wha-

Explain

[cold steppe]

Oh yeah, that there’s really only 1 skykid at a time

[cyan sonnet]

One at a time for what? Though...

[cold steppe]

Like you can save the statues on an individual basis and it won’t affect other people

[cyan sonnet]

U mean in eden? When you give your light?

[cold steppe]

Yeah

Though it’s the same with spirits and winged light

Everything you do in game is on an individual basis at the basic level

[orchid crypt]

it seems a little jarring gameplay-wise though to think that only one sky kid exists per timeline, seeing how all throughout the game, you're running into other players to get past certain puzzles

[cold steppe]

You just cooperate with others to get through it faster

[cyan sonnet]

it seems a little jarring gameplay-wise though to think that only one sky kid exists per timeline, seeing how all throughout the game, you're running into other players to get past certain puzzles
@orchid crypt yeah that’s why I’m tripped up abt this

[cold steppe]

You can do 90% or more of the game by yourself

[cyan sonnet]

But how’re they there is there are different timelines?

[gray bridge]

yeah you can get to the end without going through any multiple-player doors i think

[grave dust]

Eden definitely shows a large amount gathered in one place

The rest of the level is an experience of the destruction as it’s happening

• most creatures exist in multiples

[cold steppe]

That’s technically one of the game mechanics questions too

It’s one of those weird things

[cyan sonnet]

I mean I know it would’ve been hard to do but why didn’t the make it so everyone is separated ?

[orchid crypt]

it's pretty confusing, yeah -- i personally don't really think the "one sky kid" idea really works well with the message and design of the game, which is all about cooperation and generosity

[cold steppe]

I know you can’t exactly compare the two, but canonically in Journey, there is only one character (yours)

[cyan sonnet]

yeah you can get to the end without going through any multiple-player doors i think
@gray bridge yes but if this was a one sky kid per timeline type of gameplay then the point of multiplayer doors even existing is completely null imo

[orchid crypt]

oh? is that how journey is canonically?

[cold steppe]

Even though you can play Journey with other people

[grave dust]

Also doors requiring multiple people at once is a large signifier of more that one

[queen jungle]

Yeah.

[cold steppe]

That’s what people who play Journey have said

[grave dust]

And 4 chairs

[queen jungle]

Maybe they.. converge during that time?

[grave dust]

And 2 seats at the bench

[cold steppe]

It’s super weird to think about

[gray bridge]

if everyone was in the same timeline i'd think that everyone would be visible and wouldn't need to be lit up

[cold steppe]

Also did everyone know that TGC is doing an expo tomorrow?

[orchid crypt]

i suppose there's also the idea that every sky kid is actually just one being/entity reincarnated over many timelines, where each time, you're living a different life and helping a different incarnation of yourself...but that's a super trippy idea to think about

wait what, there's an expo??

[gray bridge]

the artist panel thing?

[cold steppe]

It’s in #news if anyone wants to see it

Yeah

[cyan sonnet]

Also guys what if sky isn’t even an actual place... as in what if this is all in someone’s mind? Like this is actuated example of escapism and someone has just created this major fictional world to get away from the real one? And the darkness represents their bad sides and the eye of eden is like their darkest place of despair? Idk I’ve been thinking on this and thought I’d share 😊

*an

[queen jungle]

Ohhhhhh my god I love these kinds of stories...

[orchid crypt]

some aspects of that idea are canon to the vault of knowledge: some of it is real, and some of it is sort of experienced/imaginary

[cyan sonnet]

Yeah same (obvi)

[queen jungle]

Where it's like a.. sort of.. mentality.

[cyan sonnet]

some aspects of that idea are canon to the vault of knowledge: some of it is real, and some of it is sort of experienced/imaginary
@orchid crypt wdym?

[queen jungle]

Subconscious.

YEAH. SUBCONCSIOUS.

[orchid crypt]

some parts of the ascent through vault is meant to be like a dream-like state

[gray bridge]

^^^

[orchid crypt]

represented by how when you finally get to the end after meeting the elders, it looks a lot more like the first floor than the weird astral view you've been seeing past the 3rd floor

[cold steppe]

Tbh, I dislike that sort of explanation (that the game is in someone’s mind) for games as it kind of feels lazy and doesn’t allow for the existence of something outside of reality

[queen jungle]

True.

[cyan sonnet]

Wha-

[gray bridge]

yeah i hate the twist at the end

[queen jungle]

But think of it like....

[cold steppe]

Like why can’t it be a fantasy world that’s not connected to ours

[queen jungle]

Representing the mind?

[gray bridge]

like it's just like... that. it was all a dream and nothing else

[cyan sonnet]

I feel like if a game is in someone’s mind then there is going to be some form or reality since that’s impossible to escape

[orchid crypt]

we're in deeeeeeeep philosophical territory now

[cold steppe]

Hitting all the topics tonight

[gray bridge]

yuh get into it

but i do like how open-ended(?) sky is as a whole

[queen jungle]

I'd curse, but it's not allowed. I LOVE PHILOSOPHY AND PSYCHOLOGY!

[cyan sonnet]

Like why can’t it be a fantasy world that’s not connected to ours
@cold steppe true, however I feel like it’s nice to make connections with it as it makes the player of the game relate more to it :>

[cold steppe]

Agreed! Definitely want to have a connection to the game

[gray bridge]

it allows for multiple interpretations and different messages that are universal and can relate to anyone and everyone

[cyan sonnet]

Yup

[cold steppe]

It’s just that I think people can still connect to characters that aren’t in “their” world

[grave dust]

The thought behind including the office, other than it being an Easter egg, is to be able to have a place for earth world related events that would be separate from sky’s world

Like Halloween

And the upcoming one

[cold steppe]

Like people can connect to the characters in LOTR, for example, without it being linked to real life

[gray bridge]

ooo yes

[cold steppe]

Fireworks day

[cyan sonnet]

Like people can connect to the characters in LOTR, for example, without it being linked to real life
@cold steppe what does LOTR stand for?

[cold steppe]

Lord of the Rings

By JRR Tolkien

[cyan sonnet]

Oh yeah but LOTR has ppl that talk and share things and have personalities however in sky where there is no talk and no one of the same species as you so I feel that it’s a little harder to connect

(And yes I know other players counts as sky ppl however I’m talking abt the gameplay itself not fellow players if that makes sense)

[cold steppe]

Totally understandable! It definitely can be difficult to relate to no words and just action

[orchid crypt]

it only just hit me after you mentioned it: that's probably why our characters don't have mouths (even though we can somehow honk)

[cold steppe]

But I think Sky does really well with drawing us into the storyline

[cyan sonnet]

it only just hit me after you mentioned it: that's probably why our characters don't have mouths (even though we can somehow honk)
@orchid crypt yeah...

[cold steppe]

We’re all here now

[orchid crypt]

it's pretty interesting how expressive you can be with just gestures and words; figuring out that communication barrier with a stranger seems to be part of the fun

[cold steppe]

We’re invested

[cyan sonnet]

But I think Sky does really well with drawing us into the storyline
@cold steppe true but that doesn’t necessarily need connection sure ppl can be drawn further into smth with connection however I’ve watched things that I don’t rly connect to a lot and they were still ok

it's pretty interesting how expressive you can be with just gestures and words; figuring out that communication barrier with a stranger seems to be part of the fun
@orchid crypt true

Lmao I say “true” a lot ...

Oop is there something wrong with my service or did chat just die?

[orchid crypt]

nothing wrong, i think we've covered a lot of ground in the last hour or so actually

[cyan sonnet]

Oh nvm I see y’all typing

nothing wrong, i think we've covered a lot of ground in the last hour or so actually
@orchid crypt yeah

[gray bridge]

i think like journey sky is pretty 'stripped down', i guess it's a different perspective that explicit-ness is not required to create an immersive experience

[orchid crypt]

it's kinda minimalistic in some senses, yeah

[gray bridge]

so up-front lore and verbal communication aren't necessary/bug parts of the main game/story itself and i think it's what tgc does really nicely

yeah minimalistic i was thinking of that word

[orchid crypt]

they don't spell everything out, which is exactly why this channel goes ablaze at times -- so much room for interpretation and discussion

[cyan sonnet]

Yeah lmao

[gray bridge]

that gets me wondering though, would more canon lore 'ruin' the experience?

[cyan sonnet]

Did TCG ever give a name for the species of sky? I remember someone said sky creatures are called ogs but I was like wha- lmao

How so?

[cold steppe]

They haven’t really given names to things other than dark dragons

And tuna king

[cyan sonnet]

yeah

[orchid crypt]

tuna king? what in the world is that?

[cold steppe]

The whale

[gray bridge]

am not saying it'd be bad if we got more canon stuff LOL it's just that i've wondered why tgc leaves things so ambiguous

oh yes tuna king

[cold steppe]

[orchid crypt]

that's a...strangely memey name for it

[cold steppe]

Tuna king?

Winged light were called “shiny bois” in a livestream

[orchid crypt]

yeah, i would've thought a user came up with that as a nickname for it

...ah, in that context, it'd make more sense

[cyan sonnet]

am not saying it'd be bad if we got more canon stuff LOL it's just that i've wondered why tgc leaves things so ambiguous
@gray bridge yeah, I’ve noticed that the more ambiguous things are the more ppl are attracted to it for example YouTubers that don’t show their face...

[cold steppe]

Sometimes people leave it more open ended because it allows for freedom of interpretation and/or they hadn’t actually fleshed every detail out and just left it

[cyan sonnet]

That too

[cold steppe]

Have you ever heard of the Cow Tools analogy?

[gray bridge]

hm yeah i do like the freedom of interpretation

haven't heard of that

what's that o:

[cold steppe]

This is a comic by Gary Larson

He originally drew the things on the table for fun and they had no meaning

[cyan sonnet]

Ah I see

But what does it entail now?

[cold steppe]

People reading the comic immediately saw that the one on the right looked like a saw to them and tried making functions that fit the others

There is literally no meaning to any of them, but people came up with so many interesting ideas from it

[cyan sonnet]

Oh I see, so ppl making something out of nothing (like we’re doing :’)

[cold steppe]

Not saying that TGC has done this exact thing, but sometimes people leave a few canon things then let everyone else speculate and come up with something that could be richer than what was originally intended

Basically have the fans write the story

[cyan sonnet]

Ahh I see

[cold steppe]

Though I kind of doubt that TGC is that hands off about the story since their concept art was very fleshed out

[cyan sonnet]

Kinda like the onceler fan fictions lmaoo

[cold steppe]

In some ways the concept art made more sense than the game we have now

The what now

[gray bridge]

what

[exotic shuttle]

the onceler is a character from "The Lorax", i believe

[cyan sonnet]

The what now
@cold steppe u heard (or read me) :’) it’s a real thing just search it up...

[cold steppe]

I know what the onceler is

I’m just... there are fanfics??

[exotic shuttle]

oop

[gray bridge]

oh no

[cyan sonnet]

the onceler is a character from "The Lorax", i believe
@exotic shuttle yup... that fandom became so weird there’s a whole video explaining the climax of it

[gray bridge]

so they just added a bunch of headcanons to him or smth like that?

[cyan sonnet]

The movie was so poorly written and had no explanations for certain things that ppl went wild with it...

[gray bridge]

ohhhg

[exotic shuttle]

from what i've heard, tgc has thought through the lore, they just deliberately don't tell us about it all explicitly

[gray bridge]

[cyan sonnet]

I can send the video link here if you guys are interested in watching the “onceler lore” lmaooo

[exotic shuttle]

might be best to keep this channel on topic

[cyan sonnet]

from what i've heard, tgc has thought through the lore, they just deliberately don't tell us about it all explicitly
@exotic shuttle makes sense

[cold steppe]

Agreed

[sly kestrel]

Hello? Sky lore where are you

[cold steppe]

Jay!!

[gray bridge]

hello

[cyan sonnet]

Hi

[cold steppe]

We were discussing the pros and cons of having more canon lore

[sly kestrel]

Ah

[cyan sonnet]

I feel it makes the game more exciting because of the endless possibilities and explanations

[cold steppe]

Bless

[gray bridge]

bless indeed

[cold steppe]

Was I right about the cow tools analogy then?

[cyan sonnet]

Ehh idk maybe

I feel like we need the creators response to truly know or someone that can read minds 👀

however, I feel in this scenario we can go with whatever makes us enjoy the game 😊

[lethal stump]

hey uh, has anyone thought of if the people of sky (Skyians ? not the elders) can do magic ?

we do have a spirit that can do telekinesis

[cyan sonnet]

hey uh, has anyone thought of if the people of sky (Skyians ? not the elders) can do magic ?
@lethal stump I mean, don’t you get granted spells/blessings in the game already?

[lethal stump]

yeah, but personally i think that stuff is somewhat separate from the lore. it’s a game mechanic, the shops and such

[cyan sonnet]

I mean Ik that they were given to us and we didn’t create them (the elders did) but that shows that we have the ability to maintain magic that was already created so I’d say yeah we can

[orchid crypt]

there's the whole forgotten ark area, where you can craft spells from the tools they've left behind

[cyan sonnet]

yeah, but personally i think that stuff is somewhat separate from the lore. it’s a game mechanic, the shops and such
@lethal stump oh yeah ig

[lethal stump]

im not saying if skykids can do magic

im sayin

if the spirits can

and if they did

[cyan sonnet]

What?

[lethal stump]

how did they get those abilities ?

ok we have skykids, spirits, and elders
skykids are us
spirits are the dudes we relive
elders are the ppl at the end of the level (aka stars)

[cyan sonnet]

Kk I just got confused since you said “the people of sky” and “skyians”

[orchid crypt]

i feel like they can do magic, based on the cutscenes you get from advancing the ark NPC quest when you give them lights

how they got those abilities, i haven't really thought much of at this point

[lethal stump]

but i wonder how they got them

[cyan sonnet]

ok we have skykids, spirits, and elders
skykids are us
spirits are the dudes we relive
elders are the ppl at the end of the level (aka stars)
@lethal stump well yes but we’re the “people of sky” so-

i feel like they can do magic, based on the cutscenes you get from advancing the ark NPC quest when you give them lights
@orchid crypt agreed

[orchid crypt]

it might be something more like a science or technology to them in a sense

[lethal stump]

it could be that the elders gave them that gift, or they were able to do it before the elders came

anyways imma sneep

ttyl y’all, happy lore-ing

[cyan sonnet]

Kk bye

[cold steppe]

Night!

[sly kestrel]

[cold steppe]

So since the realms appear in only one time of day, does this mean it’s like a pocket dimension of time?

As in, you’re experiencing something frozen in time?

[cyan sonnet]

Which realms are you talking abt?

[cold steppe]

Prairie, for example. Eternal day

[cyan sonnet]

And if there are realms that actually do that then maybe...

[cold steppe]

There’s a yawn emote, and there’s a bed in Prairie, which implies that spirits slept

[cyan sonnet]

Prairie, for example. Eternal day
@cold steppe ohhh I see, so you’re saying if time there (sun wise) is always the same then is it frozen? Right?

[cold steppe]

Did they sleep on the same sort of day/night cycle as us or something else?

Pretty much, yes

[orchid crypt]

i've never thought about that actually: i always thought it was a game/scenario limitation, but considering we actually see time passing on the home isle...

[cold steppe]

If the megabird thing is canon, I wonder if the megabird sent us down to the world to complete our mission and return the stars but we didn’t actually move in time

Have you ever read the Chronicles of Narnia? This is the best analogy I can come up with

As in, whenever someone from the real world (or in this case, from the megabird) goes into Narnia, time in the real world stops

[orchid crypt]

you mean how the whole adventure takes place in a single moment within the real world?

yeah that

[cold steppe]

So I guess it’s my point but in reverse

[gray bridge]

maybe the current state of the realms are what they were immediately before the downfall?

[cold steppe]

Did not think that through enough

[cyan sonnet]

I feel like at one point the realms were once connected and sky was this big world and when the darkness took over it caused the world to split (for each spirit/ groups of spirits) and if this is true then it could represent how the elders long for those pleasant days which is why they become dormant since they can’t take the darkness anymore maybe?

[orchid crypt]

hmm, we do see the lighting actually change in some realms though

valley of triumph is the most extreme one, it goes from sorta mid/late afternoon to sunset

[cold steppe]

True

[cyan sonnet]

Oop I didn’t get to see your guy’s messages I-

[cold steppe]

You can definitely see the shift between valley and wasteland

[cyan sonnet]

yeah

[cold steppe]

Though I’ve always wondered if that’s more due to the dark clouds than a change in time

Pollution can cause clouds to become darker and make the air kind of weird

[cyan sonnet]

What if this is showing us what happened in a way... like the prarie represents how sky was in the beginning and the closer you get to eden the worse it gets since it’s showing the fall of the sky world...

[gray bridge]

i think it's more of dark clouds for valley-wasteland, because the first four realms are pretty clear that it's morning-afternoon

[orchid crypt]

i think it's safe to assume wastelands is at night though, based on what happens at the forgotten ark after you've done all the quests

[cyan sonnet]

Tru

[orchid crypt]

vault is...technically all indoors, but it certainly has the appearance of night

[cold steppe]

Oh true spear monkey

[cyan sonnet]

yeah... does the vault have windows?

I don’t think it does

[cold steppe]

I also remember that the original level names were dawn-dusk

As in they represented the time of day

[gray bridge]

yeso

[cyan sonnet]

But if it does than that means that it’s night since it’s kinda dark in the vault

Yeah

[gray bridge]

the only outside of the vault we get to see is that 2 player door and idek if that's canon or just seasonal

is that even outside the vault

[cyan sonnet]

idk-

I don’t think it is I think that’s just another compartment of it

[orchid crypt]

vault's kinda all vertical anyway if the actual movement from the 3rd floor onwards is to be believed, so i imagine the sky looks pretty similar to eden's one if we're going by geographical location rather than the insides of the rooms

though that's going off the logic that the sky only changes as you're traversing laterally -- time still probably passes as you're ascending

[cyan sonnet]

I wonder if we ignore sky for a sec, abt the actual life lessons like you go through all the portals and collect all those stars and gain more winged light only to die in eden and loose it all and sure you get eden candles but what’s really the point though?

(I mean I’ve never heard of anyone passing eden so it just seems like a repeating cycle to me :’)

Also the process of giving your light to the statues, I mean yes it’s a good thing to do but you’re gonna die faster bc of the red stones striking you... so I wonder if that would represent sacrifice in this game

Anyways this chat seems kinda dead so I might leave-

Oop- someone was typing...

[orchid crypt]

eden represents death in your life cycle -- the game itself was always about helping others and being generous, so if i had to try and put a meaning to it...

i thought the message was that there's no point hoarding your worldly belongings when you can't prevent the inevitable, so help everyone around you with what you can

[cold steppe]

Fun fact: you used to be able to survive Eden and you could lose your emotes

[cyan sonnet]

Yeah but I feel like the cycle represents smth too

Oh cool

[cold steppe]

But that was pre-launch beta stuff

[orchid crypt]

i saw the emotes thing from a youtube, that really seemed harsh

[cold steppe]

Your height used to change after rebirth too

[cyan sonnet]

i thought the message was that there's no point hoarding your worldly belongings when you can't prevent the inevitable, so help everyone around you with what you can
@orchid crypt yeah That makes sense

[queen jungle]

:0

[cold steppe]

A lot of people ask if that’s still a thing (it’s not)

[queen jungle]

It'd be nice if the brown cape changed a little after rebirth tho.

[cold steppe]

Different shades of brown

[queen jungle]

Yesssss-

[gray bridge]

brown, light brown, red brown, green brown...

[orchid crypt]

i'm gonna be a moth forever at the rate i'm going, i'm just hoarding all my resources for utility items rather than cosmetics

[cyan sonnet]

Idk if we should be paying attention to beta stuff tho since he’s it’s cool but I feel like things like those are taken out for a reason like too harsh or maybe it didn’t represent what the creator had in mind...

[cold steppe]

True

[cyan sonnet]

i'm gonna be a moth forever at the rate i'm going, i'm just hoarding all my resources for utility items rather than cosmetics
@orchid crypt same :’) #browncapegang

[orchid crypt]

i feel like they changed it because it doesn't get the message across as well, yeah

[cold steppe]

Sky went through a lot of major changes right before launch

[cyan sonnet]

Yeah, therefore it won’t help the lore

[queen jungle]

But yeah, the showcase of decay is done pretty well in this game. From bright to dark to dreadfully dangerous. Yet there's a sort of beauty to each of it.

[orchid crypt]

emotes are used for communicating and connecting with other people, while the winged lights really seem more like the endgame collectibles at first until you get to eden

so the idea of sacrificing something you thought had a lot of value but was ultimately less meaningful hits home more

[queen jungle]

Ooo...

Tbh I never thought of them as endgame.

[cold steppe]

Oooh I like that

[cyan sonnet]

But yeah, the showcase of decay is done pretty well in this game. From bright to dark to dreadfully dangerous. Yet there's a sort of beauty to each of it.
@queen jungle yeah that’s why I feel it either represents the fall of sky or life in general

[queen jungle]

@queen jungle yeah that’s why I feel it either represents the fall of sky or life in general
@cyan sonnet Why not both?

[cyan sonnet]

so the idea of sacrificing something you thought had a lot of value but was ultimately less meaningful hits home more
@orchid crypt that’s a nice way to think abt it

[cold steppe]

The realms do canonically represent the stages of life

[cyan sonnet]

@cyan sonnet Why not both?
@queen jungle it can be both ig

[cold steppe]

Isle is birth, Vault is old age, and Eden is death

[queen jungle]

Mhm.

And orbit is rebirth.

[cold steppe]

I think Prairie is childhood, Forest is teenage years, and Valley is adulthood

[queen jungle]

Wait.

[cold steppe]

Wasteland is midlife crisis, I think

[gray bridge]

yeso yeso

[queen jungle]

Vault can be taken in a different way...

[cold steppe]

There’s a chart floating around somewhere

[gray bridge]

it's in office right?

[queen jungle]

It can be the peak of your prosperity.

[cold steppe]

Honestly not sure where it came from

[queen jungle]

Since you rise and you rise until you fall in Eden.

[cyan sonnet]

Like in prarie you notice how it all seems so peaceful yet there is darkness still there that could represent the neglect the elders had for sky (not taking care of the darkness) as the darkness get more and more obvious each stage, this could also represent IRL since darkness can start when a child is abused or neglected and over time it grows within them

[queen jungle]

Oooooo....

[cyan sonnet]

Idk just a thought...

[queen jungle]

We're hitting deep. I like it.

[cyan sonnet]

Also idk why I’m so dark with my theories lmaoo

[gray bridge]

hm yeah, the only stages without the need to burn darkness away are isle(?)/valley/vault

[queen jungle]

Dark theories are some of the best theories.

And... oh my. You're right.

[cyan sonnet]

Yeah

[gray bridge]

oh and eden too(?)

[queen jungle]

Yeah. But Eden is already very dark. Full of Krills.

Another representation of darkness

[cyan sonnet]

No, I think there’s darkness there

[cold steppe]

Valley has dark plants and crabs in the maze

[gray bridge]

oh yeah

[cold steppe]

Vault has crabs but no dark plants

[queen jungle]

Oh yeah.

[cold steppe]

Isle has dark plants in the cave

[cyan sonnet]

oh and eden too(?)
@gray bridge plus eden represents darkness (or how it’s taken over the world) so end if there weren’t any mushrooms or anywhing like that then it still be dark

[cold steppe]

I think Vault and Eden are the only places without dark plants

[queen jungle]

I gotta brb to write a story for an AHiT AU someone created. I'll be back when done!

[gray bridge]

idk what's that but have fun

[cold steppe]

Has crabs: Forest, Valley, Wasteland, Vault, Eden
Has dark plants: Isle, Prairie, Forest, Valley, Wasteland
Has krill: Wasteland, Eden

[cyan sonnet]

anyways I feel like the places that don’t have any darkness represent escape or their way of trying to escape the darkness which would kinda go back to the mind theory that we talk abt earlier...

[gray bridge]

wasteland really went: oo baby a triple

but wouldn't that mean every realm has darkness

[cold steppe]

They all have some form of darkness though

Maybe not dark plants in every realm, but there are crabs there

[cyan sonnet]

Maybe not dark plants in every realm, but there are crabs there
@cold steppe Yup

Which would also promote the neglect side of it, it can also show how darkness and pain can come in all different forms

but wouldn't that mean every realm has darkness
@gray bridge pretty much but the amount of severity for each realm speaks volumes imo

[cold steppe]

I should sleep. It’s almost 3 am for me

Night all!

[gray bridge]

good night broski

[cyan sonnet]

Lmao kk have a nice nap hun :>

good night broski
@gray bridge finally someone that says broski... ppl call me weird for saying that :’>

Oop- chat commit death?

Oh nvm someone typed...

[gray bridge]

yes i guess it's time this chat rests unless you want to continue

[cyan sonnet]

#broskigang

[gray bridge]

i am a natural at killing chats so

[cyan sonnet]

Aww don’t say that, you’re one of the ppl that kept it going imo: )

[gray bridge]

thanks

[cyan sonnet]

Np

[gray bridge]

do you want to continue your theory of the whole game being in the mind

o:

[cyan sonnet]

sure

what do u think abt it?

[gray bridge]

i think it could work, i'd think that the realms could represent the state of mind in each stage of life if i get your theory correct

and you're just

trying to deal with it?

[cyan sonnet]

Idk abt this in particular since it’s kinda out there and I doubt that even the creators thought abt this but what if it represented a person with DID (personality disorder) and each realm represents each identity

Now the only reason I say this is because ppl with DID have these whole systems in their minds and some are so detailed and incredible like sky and DID is only caused by trauma like neglect or abuse which is what we talk abt earlier

However I know that this theory probably isn’t what sky truly means I just thought the comparison was kinda cool :’)

[hushed steeple]

i think all the realms are different emotions like joy ||(valley)|| , curiosity ||(prarie)|| , sadness ||(forest)|| , anger ||(eden)||

[cyan sonnet]

Yes that too

i think all the realms are different emotions like joy ||(valley)|| , curiosity ||(prarie)|| , sadness ||(forest)|| , anger ||(eden)||
@hushed steeple also there’s no need to spoil tag here

: )

[gray bridge]

yeso yeso

this place is spoiler territory anyway

[hushed steeple]

oh yeah just being safe

[cyan sonnet]

Oh phew I thought u died @gray bridge 🤣

[gray bridge]

don't worry there's still orbit for me

[cyan sonnet]

Have any of you guys heard of the shirt fils series called “auto dale” ?

if you haven’t it’s rly cool and I think you should watch it but anyways...

What if each realm represents a different person?

[gray bridge]

i think all the realms are different emotions like joy ||(valley)|| , curiosity ||(prarie)|| , sadness ||(forest)|| , anger ||(eden)||
@hushed steeple hm the realms can go with that too, it ties in with the stage of life thing the realms canonically represent

a different person?

[cyan sonnet]

^^

[gray bridge]

like each realm would have a different personality?

[cyan sonnet]

Nope, I mean different ppl entirely ... idk ... like maybe different ppl or creatures give power to this whole universe and each realm represents each power provider... idk how to explain this better so sorry 😅

[hushed steeple]

I guess that makes sense

its nice to think of sky as a living thing

[cyan sonnet]

Yeah

Anyways if we go back to it being the mindset of one person and the darkness representing neglect then what would the sky kids represent? Like would they represent how the person is trying to fix their state of mind? If so then what about the elders? Or do the sky children represent how this person views the world? As in the sky children represent ppl who are trying to help this person cope with their pain/trauma which is why the sky kids always die in the end(In eden) because the person feels that not one can help them and will always fail

[gray bridge]

very dark but i think i can see something like that??? sort of

[cyan sonnet]

Lmao srry 😅 I’m always dark cuz imma sad boi

[hushed steeple]

maybe the light (butterflies, mantas, other children, etc.) is hope, and the krill and crabs and rocks and stuff (darkness) is depression and thats why theres more of it as you play the game and the main character doesnt see how much light you can find if you look hard enough in places like wasteland and eden

[gray bridge]

ooo

[cyan sonnet]

Yeah, that could work too! And y’know when I first played through the game it was kinda hard to collect all the stars in GW so maybe that shows how it became harder and harder for this person to find hope or it could represent how you can find light in any place of darkness if you just look hard enough

[hushed steeple]

but honestly i think the game developers just wanted to make a fun game and it doesnt have a deeper darker meaning

but its fun to think

[cyan sonnet]

Yeah but it’s fun to imagine tho

[gray bridge]

where there light there will be darkness and when there is darkness there will be light, i guess it depends on what you will focus on

anything can have meaning if you try hard enough u u

[cyan sonnet]

Glass half empty analogy? > where there light there will be darkness and when there is darkness there will be light, i guess it depends on what you will focus on
@gray bridge

[hushed steeple]

yeah its pretty hard to find light when there is darkness all around you

[gray bridge]

hmm something like that, though it's not exactly half a glass. like in a realm full of light, will you ignore the darkness? or scour for tiny bits of darkness in light?

and vice versa

it can be your view of life

[cyan sonnet]

Y’know I’ve always wondered if the vault represents smth else? I mean I know it has darkness in it (therefore it can fit into this mind theory we have) but smth about it seems off

[hushed steeple]

i think part of it is bc all of the other worlds are outside but it feels off to me too hah i thought i was the only one

[cyan sonnet]

Like the realm before it is desolate and abandoned then this is ... filled with things like books and stuff... that’s also weird... out of all the sky realms this one seems to be more home/earth oriented (not counting office) since there are books and ladders etc.

[gray bridge]

oh is it because at the end of the whole ascent you reach a broken floor, and it looks much more grim? is that why o:

[hushed steeple]

maybe its a reward for getting through the wasteland? like when you get through a hard time in life you gain more knowledge?

[cyan sonnet]

Hmm... maybe but idk what the broken floor means 😅 you mean the floor made out of stars when you die?

Maybe

[gray bridge]

oh nono you don't die i think

after the elder cutscene

[cyan sonnet]

Which elder?

[hushed steeple]

i think he/she/they means when you get on the platform after the mantas carry you up

[gray bridge]

yeso yeso

[cyan sonnet]

Oh

[gray bridge]

hmmm yes vault can be seen as having attained knowledge after midlife crisis of wasteland

wisdom in old age

[cyan sonnet]

Wait... that’s grim? .... I don’t think I know what you’re talking abt still 😅

wisdom in old age
@gray bridge yeah, that would be gong back to the walks of life theories we did earlier...

[gray bridge]

hm i don't have a screenshot but when you get to the place post cutscene you can either go home or to eden right? it looks like the first floor of the vault and the elevator is collapsed and all the archives are half-empty and messed up

[cyan sonnet]

hm i don't have a screenshot but when you get to the place post cutscene you can either go home or to eden right? it looks like the first floor of the vault and the elevator is collapsed and all the archives are half-empty and messed up
@gray bridge oh the choices section... yeah that’s what I thought you were talking about but then someone mentioned a manga carrying you up and I was like 0-0 lmaoo

*manta

[hushed steeple]

yeah haha i explained it weird sry

[cyan sonnet]

Anyways, I feel like the choices section represents the transition into eden just like how the valley of triumph transitions into GW so I don’t think that’s a big part in the lore (unless you have a different way of thinking about it) I just think that was an attempt at a smooth transition between realms

[gray bridge]

there's a theory that the section is the actual state of the vault or at least the top of the vault

[hushed steeple]

I was going to say that it represents the choices you make in life, like whether to play safe or risk it, but

[cyan sonnet]

Hmm maybe

[hushed steeple]

now that i think abt it theres prob no meaning

[cyan sonnet]

Actually yeah that could be it

[gray bridge]

since after lvl 2 to the elder level it's all pretty dream-like

[cyan sonnet]

wait what? I’m sorry, I’m dumb 😅

[gray bridge]

oh so after level 2

you can't see the shelves anymore

it's all just black space

[cyan sonnet]

Lvl 2 of what?

[gray bridge]

vault

[cyan sonnet]

the vault?

oh yeah

I guess that’s true

[hushed steeple]

also on a lighter note, do you think the mantas in prairie and vault know each other? like are they friends? do the prairie mantas think the vault mantas are snobs? are the eden krills meaner than the wasteland ones? and how do the creatures in sky react with each other and what is their meaning?

[cyan sonnet]

However I don’t think the whole “risk or no risk” thing for the choices section doesn’t fit into the human mind lore that we have (not sayin that’s the only lore I’m interested in btw) so maybe it represents a regret? Like this person made a bad choice which caused their mind to go dark and now that person lets you decide what you will do to fix that mistake? Eh idk this it another one of my loose theories :’)

However if we look away from that for a sec, maybe the choices thing could represent something like “only care for yourself and neglect (go home) like we did and let the world continue to be dark or try to save it (go into eden)” I’ve also noticed how there is no middle option like go back to vault or so back to a dream world ... kind of like you’ve seen too much at this point to go back to your dream- esque world in the vault

also on a lighter note, do you think the mantas in prairie and vault know each other? like are they friends? do the prairie mantas think the vault mantas are snobs? are the eden krills meaner than the wasteland ones? and how do the creatures in sky react with each other and what is their meaning?
@hushed steeple I think they react with eachother :> I mean I try to “talk” to them like when I’m riding a manta I’ll use the manta call as Im riding them and kinda talk to them as we’re riding

Also vault mantas give me mother vibes idk y tho- :’)

Like they’re the real deal manta

[gray bridge]

sky spinoff eyyy

sky: creatures of the light

[cyan sonnet]

The OG manta

[hushed steeple]

yes where we are all mantas and we have to help the children

[cyan sonnet]

sky: creatures of the light
@gray bridge let’s start a petition

[hushed steeple]

yes #sky-creatures-of-the-light

[cyan sonnet]

Yas

I wonder if that would help piece together the story for sky too actually... like the creators of sky would HAVE to show what the sky kids are supposed to do
(since were not them anymore we’re just the supporting helpful creatures) if that makes sense

[gray bridge]

i think it'd be nice to see like

the impact of sky civilisation on the animals ya know

[cyan sonnet]

the impact of sky civilisation on the animals ya know
@gray bridge yeah...

[gray bridge]

especially with theories floating around that they might have been utilised by civilians for war or something, i've seen something like that in this channel before

[cyan sonnet]

I think the animals died in the end 😳 since they aren’t there and if eden and if the realms represent fragments of time then that means that the animals died when it became fully dark...

especially with theories floating around that they might have been utilised by civilians for war or something, i've seen something like that in this channel before
@gray bridge true

[hushed steeple]

aw no the meanie krills killed the poor mantas T_T

[cyan sonnet]

Also why does everything seem to perish but the spirits only become dormant and wait for someone to wake them

aw no the meanie krills killed the poor mantas T_T
@hushed steeple 😔

[hushed steeple]

the sprits prob lost their light and they need to be relit

[cyan sonnet]

Mantas be like: 💀
Krill be like: 😊

[hushed steeple]

Mantas be like: 💀
Krill be like: 😊
@cyan sonnet haha

i remember at the beggining of the game it said they fell from the sky

so maybe the spirits took too much fall damamge

[cyan sonnet]

Oop- also just to make sure we’re on the same page when I said spirit I meant like the elders or the ones you collect the emotes from

[hushed steeple]

ohhh ok

[cyan sonnet]

What if the elders and spirits are actually the bad guys and the dark creatures are actually good?

[gray bridge]

i think it depends on perspective

[cyan sonnet]

like our whole lives have been a lie and we’re the bad guys since someone had to neglect the sky world for it to become bad

[hushed steeple]

thats interesting and the mantas help you get to eden so you can die and the krill and trying to stop you

[cyan sonnet]

thats interesting and the mantas help you get to eden so you can die and the krill and trying to stop you
@hushed steeple YAS

[hushed steeple]

but they just add salt to the wound 😥

[cyan sonnet]

Oof

[gray bridge]

there's a theory that there's this group of people that wanted to utilise the power diamonds to advance technology and this group that would rather be all natural so it resulted in a war of some sort

[cyan sonnet]

Oop-

[gray bridge]

i'd like to think that this desire for advancement in technology came at the expense of the creatures

[cyan sonnet]

Hmm maybe

[gray bridge]

so in conclusion: creatures of the light when?

[cyan sonnet]

That’s kinda like how our world is

[hushed steeple]

That’s kinda like how our world is
@cyan sonnet yes exactly