#lore-discussion-spoilers
hushed steeple
kind pagoda
And the others wanted to use natural light to create things such as butterfly jars and boats
hushed steeple
or maybe the krill were used in the war like how some animals were useful in WW2
idk
jade river
not really the war itself
@hushed steeple well yes but the sneak spirit looks a lot like a survivor of a major disaster
His hair and cape colours
kind pagoda
Maybe the vault elder was leading the good people of light, which is why her mask is broken
hushed steeple
@jade river well they looked like they got crashed
kind pagoda
Maybe this war was the end of all the spirits owo
hushed steeple
The war was a civil war.. and i don't think krills were part of the war
Because of the barricades in battlefield
kind pagoda
The krills in gw are leftover from the war, where they were used like horses
jade river
@hushed steeple sneak spirit has a black cape (maybe trying to avoid being easily detected?)
Krills are machine
hushed steeple
no but seriously tho... wHO FIGHTS IN HEELS ok imma head out 
jade river
Automatic machines lol
hushed steeple
luccio i think thats a good defense mech
kind pagoda
But the krills could easily spot and kill people in hiding
kind pagoda
Lmao
jade river
Follow a designated route
hushed steeple
but yeah a black cape can protect it a little bit more i guess
jade river
When they attack they inmeadiatly return to their patrol route
jade river
Someone told the krills to follow that route
hushed steeple
they got seen
kind pagoda
But the krill were trained to be war machines. They were originally defense for the eden crystal
jade river
I believe krills are machines designated by whoever was the side that protected the eden crystal
They follow an specific route
kind pagoda
They immediately return to their route, because they were trained to instantly kill and maim. They know they hit their target
jade river
And only go out of this route to attavk enemies
kind pagoda
I think the people of light protected the crystal. The gw side wanted to use it's resources, since they used up all of wastelands resources.
jade river
Also big F for manta at GW her only purpose is to die at hands of a krill :(
hushed steeple
this theory is a bit disheartening, but maybe the krills were just a natural part of the environment and intended no harm but due to their bulky size and dangerous spikes and eyesight, the wasteland elder trained them to be weapons and over time they all were taught to be aggressive (i might get yelled at for this, but it happens)
kind pagoda
The forgotten ark spirits were the survivors at the end of the war who escaped from the gw army
They didn't want to fight
hushed steeple
and yes. that manta is bait. and forgive me, but it was an effective bait
jade river
this theory is a bit disheartening, but maybe the krills were just a natural part of the environment and intended no harm but due to their bulky size and dangerous spikes and eyesight, the wasteland elder trained them to be weapons and over time they all were taught to be aggressive (i might get yelled at for this, but it happens)
@hushed steeple hmmm
Maybe
Only TGC knows lol
kind pagoda
indeed
hushed steeple
the colored lights were a desperate attempt to restore prosperity?
from war
makes a ton of sense
jade river
Hmm
hushed steeple
i agree nova
jade river
Interesting idea @hushed steeple
kind pagoda
Those were the bits of light and resource that the ark group had saved away
That is how they made the ark and potions
hushed steeple
a 3rd party of light power source to end the argument of natural light sources from butterflies and the light from the diamond
jade river
I love the cræb spirit
hushed steeple
but tbh tho, if i fought in the war, i would DEFINITELY fight for the diamond power one. it spews out light super fast so is pretty effective amirite ;-;
jade river
I believe that the first travelling spirit from enchantment will be the cræb spirit
hushed steeple
ded
kind pagoda
Yes. Or maybe the ark spirits wanted to be on the light side, but couldn't escape due to the gw army, who wouldn't let traitors escape. Gw was definelty its own kingdom, separate from the rest
hushed steeple
maybe they got banished for introducing a new form og light
jade river
but tbh tho, if i fought in the war, i would DEFINITELY fight for the diamond power one. it spews out light super fast so is pretty effective amirite ;-;
@hushed steeple and also kills all light fauna
hushed steeple
of*
kind pagoda
@hushed steeple but that's the gw army side
lethal stump
Since we’re on the topic of GW...
anyone have theories about why The King (Resh) has statues of himself all over GW ? At least...what look like him ? Maybe the statues have something to do with the politics of the area ?
kind pagoda
They wanted to use up all the resources, while light side wanted to conserve it
jade river
What if GW was actually the capital of the sky world
lethal stump
Valley is the capital, devs confirmed
hushed steeple
BYE
kind pagoda
Bai
lethal stump
baibai
kind pagoda
Meme man
jade river
@hushed steeple take care!
kind pagoda
I feel like gw and prairie were two big civilizations
jade river
Since we’re on the topic of GW...
anyone have theories about why The King (Resh) has statues of himself all over GW ? At least...what look like him ? Maybe the statues have something to do with the politics of the area ?
@lethal stump that's what i believe at first GW was the capital of the skyworld
jade river
Krills
kind pagoda
I feel like he was king at the time of the war, and wanted to manufacture all the resources, which destroyed gw. So he put together a huge army, and put statues of himself to let others know he was boss. Again, intimidation is correct
jade river
This is at eden me and a friend made rocket jump and at the distance we saw this (eden forest?)
lethal stump
intermission ?
kind pagoda
Intimidation srry
jade river
I feel like he was king at the time of the war, and wanted to manufacture all the resources, which destroyed gw. So he put together a huge army, and put statues of himself to let others know he was boss. Again, intimidation is correct
@kind pagoda i agree with this
kind pagoda
Yeah, he probably sucked as a king. Full of himself, only wanted to make his army and nation stronger.
lethal stump
yeah
my idea of Resh (King) is that he’ll stop at nothing to gain more power. It’s likely that he entirely destroyed GW’s ecosystem for the benefit of more power diamonds
jade river
Imagine a season in sky where we can destroy the eden diamond
lethal stump
GW elder (i forget his name) probably wasn’t a fan of this, and so a civil war broke out and the king’s forces won
jade river
I wouldn't say the king won
kind pagoda
Yeah, I think he commanded some troops for the Light Army, not the Wasteland Nation
lethal stump
i think the statues of him are his gloating of his victory, and intimidation towards any citizens who were left after the war
kind pagoda
But I think some of the spirits from other realms fought with the gw nation, either out of fear, or agreeing with him
The vault elder was the head honcho of the Light Forces
Wise and fair
ornate harbor
Valley is the capital, devs confirmed
@lethal stump why is valley capital? did they say?
lethal stump
i don’t remember why, it’s just confirmed
check pins, canon stuff
ornate harbor
gotchaa
jade river
Because at GW temple we can ser an empty rotatory device (those things that spin in citadel) this means that the crystal was evacuated (due to the defeat at GW) the new place was at the kinfg's palace where a new factory was created and the crystal was placed there, krills where turned on to defend the area
kind pagoda
@ornate harbor I feel like it has the most buildings and industry
lethal stump
jade river
That's why i believe the king lost at GW
The statues probably where just part of valley of triumph
kind pagoda
Yes, and he land was destroyed in the process, since most battles were fought there
jade river
Because valley does not look like a valley tbh
Wasteland does
So GW was part of valley that was destroyed by the war
The other half was abandoned and know is remembered as a glory of another time
Small intermission
Man i love the lore of this game
kind pagoda
At some point in the war, I feel like there was a big battle in Vault, since it had so much power stored in it. And it was the only entrance to eden
Sameee the lore is great I'm having a really good time
jade river
At some point in the war, I feel like there was a big battle in Vault, since it had so much power stored in it. And it was the only entrance to eden
@kind pagoda i agree with you, the war was fought in eden and vault
Sameee the lore is great I'm having a really good time
@kind pagoda the lore is so awesome!
kind pagoda
Edne, vault, and wasteland. Also, the caverns under prairie were a safe zone for refugees who managed to escape the Wasteland Nation
lethal stump
At some point in the war, I feel like there was a big battle in Vault, since it had so much power stored in it. And it was the only entrance to eden
@kind pagoda vault was an off-limits zone. it’s likely only the elders had access to it, as well as few ancestor spirits
again, check canon
kind pagoda
@lethal stump I think it was fought really near, so they could attempt to get in
jade river
Probably not IN vault but definetly near vault
kind pagoda
I think the gw nation side mainly consisted of gw spirits, hidden forest spirit, who wanted light to protect them from the rain, and a few isle people.
The light army consisted of valley and prairie spirits. The vault spirits tried to defend eden, while their elder led the light side
jade river
But wait
In trailer the game says "welcome to THE kingdom of sky"
This means that the whole map area was covered by 1 ruler
lethal stump
yea
the king
kind pagoda
But in the war, it split into the king and vault elder
Main leaders
I feel like the isle elder was a peaceful old dude who helped refugees
jade river
Damm
That's right
Civil war
A rebellion tried to separate their lands from the kings domain
kind pagoda
Prairie was def a refugee safe place. Plenty of hiding places. Also, 8 player area was an area for the light elders to meet in secret
sweet dirge
Huh, I thought the megabirb made a prince and the elders to take care of the realms
kind pagoda
Megabirb? Who dat
kind pagoda
Ah okay
lethal stump
prince became the king
sweet dirge
Big birb
lethal stump
there’s a theory that the king outfit is actually a mech suit
jade river
TGC EXPLAIN US THE LORE WE WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND
Even TGC does not know the lore lol
kind pagoda
What if the bells in home space and prairie used to ring when armies broke through the safe zones
To warn peaceful people to hide in the caverns
And sunny forest
This should be official lore
jade river
@pastel brook please explain us the lore
kind pagoda
@pastel brook please, we beg you
sweet dirge
😔
pastel brookBOT
The Eye of Eden resets once per week.
Next reset is on Sunday June 28 at 00:00 PDT (In 1 day 5 hours 10 seconds)
kind pagoda
Thank you my good bot
jade river
Thanks!!@pastel brook
sweet dirge
!seasonwhentellmebruh
pastel brookBOT
not yet bruh
jade river
Its normal that i actually love @pastel brook even when he/she is only a bot
Why TGC makes me care about a bot
kind pagoda
Yes very normal
sweet dirge
@pastel brook 
lethal stump
took this photo of me on the king statue in battlefield
he’d have to be the size of the statues to be a mech for the prince, however considering the side of the eden castle it’s not that far-fetched
kind pagoda
The survivors of the war started anew, and some went on a little vacay to the islands uwu
jade river
took this photo of me on the king statue in battlefield
he’d have to be the size of the statues to be a mech for the prince, however considering the side of the eden castle it’s not that far-fetched
@lethal stump wait that's a king statue???
I believed it was a turret lol
sweet dirge
It looks like the king
lethal stump
nah, thats the king m8
kind pagoda
Gw nation had prisoners collect the small amount of stone under sand and build the statues
sweet dirge
The king isn't canon
lethal stump
true
kind pagoda
He should be m8
sweet dirge
He is in our hearts 😔
lethal stump
but what else could those be ? they look exactly like the concept arts
kind pagoda
All this should be canon
sweet dirge
The timeline should be canon 
kind pagoda
There are statues in front of upper krill swamp
lethal stump
TGC should hire us as storyboard artists and writers
lethal stump
it’s a joke qwq
kind pagoda
We've been at this for almost and hour lmao
jade river
Really?
kind pagoda
Yep, I sent the first message that got this convo started at 8:18 my time
kind pagoda
And it's 9:06 now
jade river
I have played this game an unhealthy amount of hours..
lethal stump
we all have
sweet dirge
kind pagoda
This is my first time making any sort of lore and I love it too much, also yes I'm addicted
ornate harbor
bruh i've been telling all these theories you guys got to my friend on sky , its actually blowing are minds rn, plus the cannon lore omg
kind pagoda
✨quarantine has made me this way✨
sweet dirge
What is the canon lore
kind pagoda
ornate harbor
bruh the elder cannon lore
kind pagoda
I can't even remember lol
jade river
When i downloaded the game the devs of sky came to my house and told me
"Welcome to the world of sky!!!"
There's no way to stop playing
kind pagoda
The only lore that I know is true is the valley being capital one
noble ferry
just reading lore makes me feel like hollow knight lore but instead
"I need answers!!!"
kind pagoda
true
sweet dirge
@lethal stump ^^^^
@ornate harbor :O!!!
jade river
I do want to sleep i want answers!!
kind pagoda
Someone should make a sky he book about the sky kid getting washed up on isles beaches in a storm, making his/her way through the realms, and finally sacrificing everything in eden for the spirits they have came to love
NO SLEEP
SLEEP IS FOR THE WEAK
jade river
Imagine if ||oreo|| is the king of sky
kind pagoda
WE ARE NOT WEAK
sweet dirge
I know someone making a story similar to that
kind pagoda
@jade river yes
jade river
WE ARE STRONG CHILDREN OF THE LIGHT
kind pagoda
Oreo is king
jade river
AND WHEN WE WILL SLEEP
WHEN WE FIND ANSWERS TO THE LORE
kind pagoda
TGC you'd better deliver
noble ferry
I dont need sleep, I NEED ANSWERS!
misty igloo
Does the vase in the vault have any significant meaning find it wonderful how much it stands out
jade river
Im about to riot to find anwers to the lore
unborn fog
nova let s keep things family friendly please 
skywalker nope, just a leftover beta thing
jade river
I will make a hunger strike to make TGC give answers about the lore
misty igloo
Im about to riot to find anwers to the lore
@jade river
Let's start a riot, a riot!!! 🎶🎶🎵🎶
kind pagoda
We need answers now
jade river
I fear that sky will become so popular that atracts the attention of non family friendly comunities....
SKY MUST BE FAMILY FRIENDLY FOREVER
kind pagoda
Keep the good game good
kind pagoda
Even if it isn't canon, imma write a lore fanfic
misty igloo
I'd get in on that honestly
jade river
The comunity is just to nice
Same
I want to write my own theory
Maybe not the most precise one
But one that will definetly make you feel the escence of this world
noble ferry
crab in office for answers
misty igloo
Oreo needs a bigger part in the writing
jade river
Oreo is the king of sky
Just think about it
Everyone loves him
Boom
He needs to be king
kind pagoda
We could make a group chat for ideas for the lore story
sweet dirge
Then isn't he responsible for the corruption
kind pagoda
Oreo was peaceful during the war, he let chibis ride in his back to safety
In the story there should be flashbacks to ancient spirit lore
misty igloo
Oreo was peaceful during the war, he let chibis ride in his back to safety
@kind pagoda
And now imprisoned until 8 reancarnate him
kind pagoda
I am going to start storyboarding tomorrow
That is his memorial
He isn't imprisoned, he's too powerful
jade river
What if sky is just an emotional ride that teaches you that is good to meet people, teaches you that there's no light without darkness and what if sky is just a precious gem to relax and have a great time
misty igloo
He isn't imprisoned, he's too powerful
@kind pagoda
But why?
kind pagoda
He is king. That is his memorial, in honor of his service and acts of heroism during the war
misty igloo
What if sky is just an emotional ride that teaches you that is good to meet people, teaches you that there's no light without darkness and what if sky is just a precious gem to relax and have a great time
@jade river
Best game for people struggling through life if that's the case
kind pagoda
He is not imprisoned in his own memorial
misty igloo
I've tried looking his character up but didnt find much thank you for the information
kind pagoda
It isn't canon, but still it's cool
misty igloo
It isn't canon, but still it's cool
@kind pagoda haha story time
kind pagoda
Welcome to Nova's story circle, kiddos. Buckle up, because this is gonna be a wild ride
Anyway, it's been awesome talking to you all. I have to go though. Bye bye guys!
misty igloo
How else you supposed to party after eden lol
kind pagoda
Yup Nova's story circle is in orbit
jade river
Take care @kind pagoda
kind pagoda
Bye all!
jade river
It was nice to talk lore with you
kind pagoda
It was nice talking lore with you too
hushed steeple
Sorry to interrupt, but does anyone know where I can find a clearer copy of the Sky timeline?
misty igloo
Definitely get me on that book I love writing and being creative
jade river
Sorry to interrupt, but does anyone know where I can find a clearer copy of the Sky timeline?
@hushed steeple idk sorry mate
kind pagoda
Idk either Devs
jade river
Definitely get me on that book I love writing and being creative
@misty igloo same im more than happy to help in a lore book
lethal stump
does anyone think the song Pompeii by Bastille gives off sky lore vibes
hushed steeple
it's alright. thanks guys!
jade river
Idk that song but i will listen to it
misty igloo
does anyone think the song Pompeii by Bastille gives off sky lore vibes
@lethal stump yassssss
kind pagoda
Yeah it does.
lethal stump
with the singer as Alef/Resh
kind pagoda
I might make a chat tomorrow for the story. I think it would be good so other peeps lore won't get in the way
Idk
So if anyone wants to join, they can friend me
Anyway, gnight
hushed steeple
Sorry to interrupt, but does anyone know where I can find a clearer copy of the Sky timeline?
@hushed steeple open it in a browser maybe the quality will not decrease
gray bridge
hmm try zooming in?
when i open the photo on discord i can do that and the words are readable
hushed steeple
mmmmh still the same. it's okay i'll just squint my eyes really hard 👀 lmao
spring blaze
hushed steeple
thank you!!
celest spoke
Hey just realized on the central star island in Prairie, the prayer spindles are also lil bitty king statues— the ones on the belltowers don’t have the crown finials iirc
Also, howbout “Viva la Vida” as Skyking song?
lethal stump
everything is king statues
celest spoke
Butterfly jars aren’t king statues
lethal stump
Viva La Vida is probably his theme song
Pompeii describes the elders and kingdom as a whole
gray bridge
king propaganda everywhere
lethal stump
MÊME IDEA
gray bridge
wait also
so the same elders in the game were the ones who fell from the sky right
did they establish the different parts of the kingdom or were they made a representative of each part of the kingdom
i don't know what i just wrote
celest spoke
Did they all exist at the same time, or were they historically sequential?
(still kinda wish for timeslip where valley twins age into forest aunt and wasteland uncle)
gray bridge
O:
lethal stump
gray bridge
sweet dirge
Oh
gray bridge
exquisite
sweet dirge
That's frightening
gray bridge
i agree
hm actually all the elders probably existed at the same time
but in the intro of the game it was said that stars fell from the sky and there were 6(?) lines for the 7 elders (twins got 1 line)
so if that represents the elders does that mean they all went separate ways and established the different parts of the sky kingdom
i wish there was an official timeline of the current canon because this game leaves me with more questions than answers :^(
hushed steeple
In which side wasteland elder was?
The shield of constellation is different
What this means?
spring blaze
thats whats the most confusing imo when it comes to elder lore
we dont know which side the elder was on, and we dont know which side used what shield/weapon
unborn fog
i can go check in the cutscenes if you want, they might be using a different shield than what s next to the statue
hushed steeple
Mystery
spring blaze
i think he uses the same shield and weapond shown on the shrine
lethal stump
i was just looking through the original concept art and i never realized that the devs used the character names in them—
i thought the names were made by us, but no they’re actually canon !
in the concept art, at least....
livid wind
So- the sitch
"If you poured hot water on a Moth (not me) would it recharge them?"
The breakdown of the question is this; is the recharging of the Moth's based on the thermal of what they're being recharged by, or the state (must it be light)
gray bridge
i don't want to drag physics into this so i'll just say what i think is the case
iirc heat is a byproduct of light but it depends on the frequency of the wavelength of light to determine how strong said heat is
i think it should be primarily light that recharges the moth since there's a variety of light sources besides fires that may not necessarily give off as much heat (edited in the last part bc it didn't make sense lol)
or i'm just misunderstanding the situation lol
abstract crypt
I downloaded the Sky backstory timeline sent by Jay but the quality is still low, can't read
cold breach
abstract crypt
imo it's the state that gives SkyKids light, because fire is not the only one that recharges the cape. Mantas, space mantas, birds, butterflies, even the home platform and cosmetics pedestals recharge light, but these things do not radiate heat, so it must be the state even if it fictitious matter.
livid wind
but the mantas, space mantas creatures ect-- all produce some form of light.
In glowing symbols on objects or the creatures bioluminescence
ah-- misread. solid!
hushed sable
So I was wandering around the vault, and started wondering what the light things are.
They make me think of books in a library
There's also the deeper vault beyond the 2 person door
Where we can only get in because it decayed
Can sky kids not acess the "knowledge" the same way a spirit would from the light thingy being stored?
broken basin
A Spirit is present in form of a stone covered with little darkeness sticking on it. When skykids' light depletes and they die, they also become stone (well, they are already stone but at that time we can see it clearly) and are covered with darkness too.
short owl
The elevator appears to act as some form of projector. Perhaps Sky Kids just lack the knowledge on how to use it, so the information contained in the shelves goes unaccessed
hushed sable
That's an interesting thought
I wonder what sort of things they were storing with a vault that big
Also the word "vault" indicates it was locked away
gray bridge
from what i read here the vault is both a storage for knowledge and also a place of remembrance
to remind future inhabitants to never repeat what happened in the past
to be honest i think the vault was where that big diamond in eden used to be
so it was easily accessible to the inhabitants of gw to utilise its light to advance the technology of the kingdom
hushed sable
So vault came after eden?
gray bridge
that i'm not sure so take that theory with a pinch of salt
hm but i think that diamond at least helped with the advancement in some way, and then it somehow got corrupted
celest spoke
Hey forest has different shape jars than prairie— fancy decorated rounded/octagonal instead of plain rectangular prismish. Maybe related to the octagonal hatch where forest aunt’s shrine pops up?
tacit loom
am I the only one who doesn’t get the story of this game-
Anyone have any where I can read on it?
abstract crypt
Check the pins
tacit loom
Thanks!
late sierra
are there theories on what the intro of the game couldve possibly meant?
lean rapids
i want to ask,as i read the backstory timeline of sky,i was curious is krill corrupted with dsrkness then become a krill or krill is made from something else?
eager shore
Also why are krill called krill here but called dark dragons in the actual game?
tacit loom
Cause they look like shrimp I think
round river
What's this
@hushed steeple
Do you mean the lantern?
It looks like grandma lantern form season of belonging
So i assume it's a lantern
hushed steeple
Do sky children have parents? How are they born?
lean rapids
also do anybody have a picture of the megabird?
sly kestrel
I love how everyone is asking questions and no one is answering them
steep coyote
Do sky children have parents? How are they born?
@hushed steeple
Skykids are actually sent by the megabird it seems
sly kestrel
Well the truth is, no one has exact answers, jus theories
There is no doc confirming these facts and there is no story to read somewhere in the pins. We have no exact answer for any of the questions asked earlier
Imo, I think you should jus look at the game again, pay close attention to the details and make ur own story
After all, reika did say the sky story isn’t even fully planned out yet
hushed steeple
also do anybody have a picture of the megabird?
@lean rapids .....
hushed steeple
This one appears at the end of credits in orbit
topaz girder
ooh
topaz girder
ooh
topaz girder
is ancestor spirits part of "the stars" (intro)? or is "the stars" are just the elders?
lean rapids
@hushed steeple thank youu
sorry
topaz girder
thanks
warm breach
Everyone's just making theories here-
Is it wrong that I think sky and journey are simmiliar?
rotund oak
tropic summit
where can I find more sky concept art hngg lllorz
round river
Ark, before office gate and obviously in orbit
@hushed steeple
There's megabird in ark?
Where?👀
Is it in the mural?
Is it wrong that I think sky and journey are simmiliar?
@warm breach
No
Sky is spiritual successor of Journey
That's why they're similar
warm breach
Also the realms
late sierra
wrong send ahsjdjd sry
urban sparrow
Would anyone mind posting a picture of megabits from the ark?
topaz girder
OH i just realized thats the megabird!
grave glen
I never even noticed that pattern owo
elder wing
Hi guys
recently I spoke here that I think Sky's realms are different places in the same kingdom but in different timelines, although I haven't payed enough attention to the details and a friend of mine pointed one importand thing
That each realm, chronologically, has another time of a day
also, since I play for 3 months and I've unlocked all emotes I forgot that spirits we meet are covered in the darkness, so that would be hard for the darkness to travel through timelines and cover creatures living in the past
But, anyway, I've got another question
What is that round shape in this character's hand?
I assume this is Eden's Elder or a King mentioned in the old lore
But also, with Polish friends in our lore discussion, we noticed that this is the same picture as this one:
It's from Isle of Dawn cutscene
hushed steeple
Looks a bit similar
elder wing
So this round shape is that Eye of Eden? Eye of Storm?
hushed steeple
Anyway here's an another pic of manta and his big mouth
elder wing
Is this the reason why the storm began? I mean, every Elder has its own attribute, Wasteland's Elder has the shield and the weapon (and the boots :3), Valley's Twins have those sticks to play, Forest - hammer, Praire I don't remmeber, Isle - he has a walking stick
So Eden's Elder got this round shape, right?
hushed steeple
I think the storm began for the giant powered diamond in eye of Eden
And i also think isle grandpa has a firework stick..
elder wing
I think the storm began for the giant powered diamond in eye of Eden
@hushed steeple Right, that's true, so do we meet anywhere that round shape in Eden?
hushed steeple
If you had noticed in the 
spirit's cutscene they were using a firework stick to collect lights from birds
I'm not sure tho
vale badger
do we have a compilation of lore about wasteland?? its the most interesting topic for me and same with both "eye of eden" and "vault of knowledge"
hushed steeple
No one knows the real lore.. you can check the pins for info and why not go to those places ... Look at the details and make your own theory🙃
Don't forget to share your theory with us
gray bridge
hm isn't that castle thing the one you see post-eden
hushed steeple
Yup there's
weak briar
can't take screenshot fdkjgsefg
hushed steeple
Guess it'll work🙃
gray bridge
ok but megabirb is so pretty there
bit off topic but yes it looks so majestic and cool
final tapir
this is probably not too serious but
I have so many questions about this vase
why is it there
open bridge
Its in ||office|| too
elder wing
hm isn't that castle thing the one you see post-eden
@gray bridge yeah, it's consumed by the storm/spilled out by the storm towards Orbit
final tapir
there's one there too?
Hmm
I just. Wonder why there's only two vases like this and it's just. There
there's no other vases like that elsewhere in vault. There's just that one right there, being out of place
hushed steeple
@final tapir it's from old beta... It used for completing quests
final tapir
:0
final tapir
I thought there was some deep lore there
open bridge
hushed steeple
Easter egg
hushed steeple
It's only just for fun purpose... I've dought if it's lore related
open bridge
Oooh alright lol
The nest tho... its made of stone and not sticks
Sky is pretty much based around stone
Spirits were statues, sky kids turn into statues when they die, power stones are, well, stones. Pots, lamps, boats, trees, swords, shields, everything is stone. And back when it was still beta and plants did not exist, players had to burn darkstone
hushed steeple
Stone age
open bridge
Lmao yes
frozen pivot
Why are the weapons scattered around in battlefield so big, its as if they arent made for spirits
pearl void
Skykid bring out wingbuff to the stone kid from the chest
uncut bone
i wonder if it has something to do with the diamond on skykid's chest
@gray bridge Ok so
The diamond in their chest is their light
When you light a candle, you take the light out from your chest
When you lose all your light the diamond goes out
hushed steeple
Why are the weapons scattered around in battlefield so big, its as if they arent made for spirits
@frozen pivot i guess for the elders? They are big as heck. Also i guess they fought with the krills
frozen pivot
Although the other shield with the diamond symbol or smth is a little bit smaller and can be held by bigger spirits
Tho the spears and swords are just too big
Makes me think that they built golems oe smth
hushed steeple
Golems of light? Hmm maybe, but i really want to see an original story about the fights. They should release it
uncut bone
@frozen pivot i guess for the elders? They are big as heck. Also i guess they fought with the krills
@hushed steeple I don’t think they fought the krill, and that goes back to the theory that krill were guardians of some sorts.
topaz girder
I think it stores your light, not actually your light hmm
frozen pivot
And ye them fighting krills would be useless because weapons wont really work on krills
With their weapons atleast
frozen pivot
And theres no helmet or anything at all
hushed steeple
Maybe the weapons were powered with light? Shaman king stuff? Or maybe not. But the Krills are creatures of darkness so i guess at some point there was smth between the elders and them
frozen pivot
Im curious about what the whale mask or all the mask means
uncut bone
Maybe the weapons were powered with light? Shaman king stuff? Or maybe not. But the Krills are creatures of darkness so i guess at some point there was smth between the elders and them
@hushed steeple well the elder’s weapons of sorts were powered by light
hushed steeple
Yeap
uncut bone
Im curious about what the dead whale mask or all the mask means
@frozen pivot It was used by the wasteland elder maybe as a helmet? Would go along with the warrior aspect
frozen pivot
But theres spirits that has the same mask,
uncut bone
Yeah one other
frozen pivot
Its like the mask itself are different kind of troops
uncut bone
I’m thinking it was the standard helmet
frozen pivot
And although there was death everywhere, theres no bones scattered at all, so maybe spirits themselves have different kind of bodies?
hushed steeple
Maybe is a stupid fan dbz idea but what if krills combined themselves since they made by darkness * dont have an actually body*
Lmao there are bones
In wasteland where are those 3 krills
uncut bone
Whale bones
frozen pivot
Welp those arent spirits
gray bridge
yeah i think there's only bones of animals in the game
uncut bone
Krill don’t have bones, but their shape remains in a solid form, however they can go through water and walls
gray bridge
ohhh yesyes
frozen pivot
And actually i just noticed this but, when u relive/relight the spirits, are they reliving their memory or are they reliving the time u relit them?
uncut bone
And actually i just noticed this but, when u relive/relight the spirits, are they reliving their memory or are they reliving the time u relit them?
@frozen pivot You’re going through their memory before they died
Not right before, but aspects of their life
frozen pivot
So the wasteland factory was already broken for the stance spirit since we relive them going through the rubbles
uncut bone
Which spirit, sneak?
frozen pivot
Idk but its the one where a manta gets bonked
cold steppe
oh yeah, the very first one
uncut bone
Yeah probably
frozen pivot
Well dang, now i feel bad for spirits
cold steppe
also, the spirit for faint looks like they straight up died at the end
which is... unsettling
frozen pivot
I thought they died in a one fell swoop like when a meteor hits and everyone dies
cold steppe
they were clearly badly wounded
gray bridge
lovely
uncut bone
But badly wounded, yes
frozen pivot
And the spirit remembers how they died..
cold steppe
there's really only a few spirits that show death sequences
the rest look like general memories of their lives
cold steppe
like I highly doubt the people building the bells died at that moment
since we wouldn't have bells
frozen pivot
At this point, everything in the game lore wise, is just imprints
Atleast relating to the spirits and sky kids
hushed steeple
The only thing this game needs are more hairstyles that look cool, we got only a few wasteland elder, forest elder, valley elder(guy) and the spiked hair up in the air, and a backstory of the fight, weapons in wasteland means there was something big, eden destroyed in some way or another.
uncut bone
I still find wasteland first room and forest elder room very similar
uncut bone
That looks unnaturally like each other
frozen pivot
Ye ye, i get that too, the time i noticed that the gw kinda have 2 temples, that clicked
So when we medidate at the temples, do we relive the elders, or is the cutscenes not canon at all
cold steppe
so have you heard the power diamond theory??
cold steppe
the basic premise is that the Forest elder room and the Wasteland first room were both some sort of factory/refinery that dealt with power diamonds
uncut bone
@frozen pivot have you heard of the power diamond theory
cold steppe
the devs have confirmed that power diamonds contributed to the downfall of the civilization and that the temples weren't actually temples at all (or at least what we think of temples when we hear the word, as in they're not religious), but just places that the elders had a connection to, like a favorite place
frozen pivot
some of it yes
uncut bone
Ok cool
the devs have confirmed that power diamonds contributed to the downfall of the civilization and that the temples weren't actually temples at all (or at least what we think of temples when we hear the word, as in they're not religious), but just places that the elders had a connection to, like a favorite place
@cold steppe cool
Didn’t know tg at
That it was confirmed*
boreal bone
Alright imma hang out here
cold steppe
so I might get pieces of it wrong
but basically the idea is that Prairie provided the raw materials for the power diamonds (butterflies, maybe other things) and shipped them to Forest and/or Wasteland on boats (we can see the jars on boats in the murals of Forest)
Forest and Wasteland may have both worked on making the power diamonds or refining the power diamonds
cold steppe
Wasteland especially seems to be very involved in some sort of factory production, given that there are several places that look like the idea of the power diamond factory and the large amount of pipes
boreal bone
Well i was talking about how the developers concocted the realms basing on time of day, human life, civilization and i was pointed at this direction
cold steppe
it's entirely possible that the region is a wasteland at least partially from toxic waste from the factory
this is definitely the place!
uncut bone
Well i was talking about how the developers concocted the realms basing on time of day, human life, civilization and i was pointed at this direction
@boreal bone oh yeah check pins
Good place to check stuff
cold steppe
imo, the absolutely best channel on the server
and yeah, there's a ton of cool information in the pins
also, did everyone know that you can add your theory to the non-canon theory lore document?
uncut bone
Yep
gray bridge
i read through the previous messages but i still don't understand how the power diamond theory connects to the faction war
frozen pivot
Mhh i dont think its only prairie shipping, because at the shipwreck, theres a bunch of gold diamond shaped thingy u can see in the forest temple
Its like a production line
cold steppe
exactly!
that's what I was going for in the explanation
sorry if that wasn't clear. my brain works quicker than my fingers sometimes
uncut bone
i read through the previous messages but i still don't understand how the power diamond theory connects to the faction war
@gray bridge alright so basically, the power diamonds corrupted everything and spirits had a war to see whether power diamonds are good or bad
That’s the short answer
cold steppe
oh, the two shields theory?
frozen pivot
And i was wondering why the ship in shipwreck wasnt the normal ones u see with the diamond powered paddles, its like its made to traverse in sea
uncut bone
Mhh i dont think its only prairie shipping, because at the shipwreck, theres a bunch of gold diamond shaped thingy u can see in the forest temple
@frozen pivot it was being shipped to wasteland
hushed steeple
What isss thisss?
cold steppe
what
cold steppe
I've never seen that before
gray bridge
frozen pivot
Wait is that new
cold steppe
that's the Oreo area
boreal bone
My love for the game was refreshed by watching the Art of Making Sky. Thank you @uncut bone
cold steppe
whatttt
frozen pivot
Thats in 8 puzzle
hushed steeple
Yes wren
cold steppe
as a note, is that in live?
hushed steeple
Yup
uncut bone
Yep that’s in live
hushed steeple
Before the gate
frozen pivot
Or decayed
cold steppe
yeah, there's only gold on the very top
uncut bone
@hushed steeple thanks for giving us something to talk about 
cold steppe
it can't be a bell like the ones in the villages though
cold steppe
it doesn't have the spinning sections for it
uncut bone
What if
boreal bone
Y'all think that the Enchantment Spirit came before all Spirits? Like they're the OG spirits?
cold steppe
like the bells have straight lines across
and each section spins, I think
let me see if I have a picture
hushed steeple
Maybe some kind of killer mac?
boreal bone
And don't bells have pointy tops?
uncut bone
@cold steppe not exactly, I think the gold was destroyed
That’s why it isn’t spinning
hushed steeple
It's not a bell
frozen pivot
Bells are more circular
hushed steeple
Totally different
cold steppe
So these types
see the sections are straight lines, more or less
the picture has one line looping down
on the new thing
frozen pivot
Its just a pillar
hushed steeple
That couldn't be a bell
gray bridge
seems like it only has one spinny section
cold steppe
also RIP old Isle
uncut bone
I think it is a bell, however most of the gold parts fell off
hushed steeple
Wren what's below your skykid's foot... Constellation?
uncut bone
Wren what's below your skykid's foot... Constellation?
@hushed steeple old beta quest
hushed steeple
Oh
gray bridge
ehhh
cold steppe
Even if the gold fell off, it physically cannot spin
gray bridge
it has only one diamond thingie on it
uncut bone
Aight I’m out, have fun theorizing on that.
gray bridge
is it because the other diamond isn't on the thing that it's dark
cold steppe
also, it might be interesting to note that some things get accidentally get included in a build that aren't supposed to be there
frozen pivot
And it wasnt there the last time i went for a cr
cold steppe
I didn't get pictures of it, but at one point, a sunken structure in the first area of Wasteland was set up and standing. You could walk into it. it was completely vertical
hushed steeple
It's there all Time
cold steppe
I actually asked someone (a dev) about the thing in Wasteland when they were in here, and they said that that it was accidentally included in the build then taken out
cold steppe
it was an idea they had but decided not to include
hushed steeple
Maybe it's also like that
cold steppe
no, the person said it was something they were thinking about for Enchantment but decided not to use
but who knows
hushed steeple
That temple?
cold steppe
yeah, the structure thing
frozen pivot
Ooh i remember wat i was gonna ask
Are the enchantment ship a merchant band of spirits of sorts?
Because i feel like they arent supposed to be in ark and just got bonked there by something
hushed steeple
I think they came for recover wasteland... By the power of lights
boreal bone
The inscription at the side of the Ark suggest that they were blown down by a storm
The inscription at the crab hallways tho. I mean I understood why they needed the water for agriculture but what's with the greed for water that they came to a point of almost draining it and releasing the crabfestation
hushed steeple
I'm still wondering what would be that ?
frozen pivot
Those murals are pretty straightfoward
lost hull
The inscription at the crab hallways tho. I mean I understood why they needed the water for agriculture but what's with the greed for water that they came to a point of almost draining it and releasing the crabfestation
@boreal bone I mean they were probably trying not to die of thirst
hushed steeple
It seems there was another which broke/destroyed?
lost hull
Do spirits even drink water??
boreal bone
The elemental inscriptions under and within the side pf the Ark suggest that they weild elemental powers tho. So i doubt it was out of thirst.
Although the elements could've been lost as they got shipwrecked
Sorry if I'm geeking about Enchantment a lot it was my first season and I've grown immensely attached to it.
hushed steeple
No it's completely ok... Feel free to discuss here😄 @boreal bone
boreal bone
It seems there was another which broke/destroyed?
@hushed steeple
It would seem counter productive to put a warp gate behind another. Maybe it served as a decorative pillars leading up to the warp gate perhaps?
hushed steeple
Btw i think lightseeker spirits gave light to enchantment spirits and they started their journey towards wasteland .. they wanted to recover wasteland using lights but storm caught them and the lights lost in sky kingdom... They wished to get back those lost lights.. and we skykids fulfilled their wishes
Just a theory
And yeah excuse my bad English 
boreal bone
Bruh your English is fine 
hushed steeple
Thank you
boreal bone
I'm just wandering if they were trapped at the FA area because of that one Krill or the Krill is eternally trapped there with them too
hushed steeple
hushed steeple
He's the eden elder/prince
boreal bone
I think the ||red crystal|| is what he's holding on to in that photo
Abused it's power or unlocked it somehow and cause chaos
hushed steeple
No need of spoiler tag anything here
boreal bone
It triggred the storm at eden and cause damaged at Vault (which is basically inside the temple of Wasteland)
Ooh! Krills at Eden aren't bothered by the strong winds
hushed steeple
Well the cuz of storm i think that giant powered diamond in eden
boreal bone
Okay so backtracking to the Krill at FA
I now believe it's there to trap the Enchantment Spirits because they had the potential of saving Wasteland with the light elements
The Krill was sent with the storm that blew away the Ark
Omg I'm really geeking all over here. I'm so sorry 
hushed steeple
Np🙃
boreal bone
I'm so giddy with what Sanctuary will contribute to the lore
mellow sable
oh, I took these pictures while I was in the vault oob
so let's examine the murals shall we?
they're not the best pictures but oh well
isle elder is guiding boats and butterflies
the prairie elder puts those butterfies in jars
the forest elder uses the butterflies to make power diamonds
the valley elders don't do anything with the light, because they're the ones in charge of the coliseum
the wasteland elder (not pictured here) uses weapons that are powered by light
as seen by his temple cutscene
and the vault elder takes all known information about the sky kingdom and stores them in these "lanterns"
which is why, by lighting them up, we get to the higher floors of vault
only the ground and first floor have real lamps, the rest are more "ethereal"
so only the ground and first floor of vault are real
the rest are created by the information leaking out of the lanterns
boreal bone
So more like hallucinations brought out by information in the lanterns?
Go on I'm so into this
gray bridge
yeah i think the ground, first floor and the entrance area to either eden or home are the real vaults
the levels with all the ghosts and spirits are probably like hallucinations
if you look at the vault emotes they're all related to like paying respects so the vault is also like a memorial place (is that what it's called lol)
also a bit late, but there's a krill behind when you take the boat to the FA though it's in the distance. (not sure if that's a bug but friends and i have seen it more than once) so the theory of the krill being blown away with the ship and sort of being like a barrier to GW (thus going there is not an option for the ark survivors) could be correct
solar patio
the krill in FA is an actual hostile krill and yes it does attack you
but u need effort to be spotted
rare field
oh yeah, you gotta really climb up there
It's where I do my "face the dark dragon" quests since it's also the easiest krill to avoid
just yeet into the clouds
solar patio
The one time i failed in getting spotted by the thing bc of the light actually goes behind windwalls:/
And ye i kinda also agree on that theory
gray bridge
i got a sort of theory for eden?
ah the joys of post-midnight thoughts
i think the skykid is basically a vessel for the child of light
this part is a bit shaky since there are multiple statues in eden to light
winged lights were also called imprints of the child of light at some point so if following that logic, all winged lights are part of the child of light
so in the scene where you hug the child at the end, that child is the child of light, thanking you for 'assembling' it back together (the sky kid giving its power back to the child of light) and then uses the power it has back to bring everyone in the sky kingdom up but has to destroy the kingdom in the process
so as you fly through the crumbling world, passing through the different realms, everyone and everything eventually reaches orbit and goes back to the stars where the elders fell from
so basically when you finish eden, you return the whole sky realm back to the stars
but one thing that goes against my theory is that you are reincarnated after finishing eden, so that either means that the skykid is in an endless loop or the loop goes on until all elders/spirits are really returned to the sky
round musk
YEEEESS
I have a very similar theory that you can read in the vault
Although I do think the crumbling buildings are actually just a part of Eden and they copy and pasted some structures from other realms
mellow sable
my theory is that the king stuffed the child of light in the Eden diamond in an attempt to get more power
but you can't tame the power of god
and the diamond shattered, with the pieces becoming the winged light
that's probably why there's so many winged light clustered up in Eden
and why isle only has three
the sky kid is a vessel for the child of light, hence why by reconnecting with it we're restored to full power
round musk
In my theory, the child of light is the king, but is his original and pure form before he fell
mellow sable
the hug sequence definitely happens INSIDE the diamond
4
or wait
5 yeah
the one above the entrance
how did that even get there
buut as I was saying
the king is not an elder
6 stars fell
not 7
round musk
the hug sequence definitely happens INSIDE the diamond
@mellow sable Not necessarily, I think the beam of light exists as an entity separate from the diamond. It's what fuels the diamond, but it is also a crossroads between the earthly world and orbit
lethal stump
if anything the king/prince was there before the stars fell, since the figure is already on the mountain when the stars fall in the cutscene
mellow sable
oh actually
the star on Eden is the same design as the star of the child of light
the child of light fell in Eden, but it's not the king
round musk
My theory is that there isn't a trail from the large star to eden because they are separate forms of the same being
lethal stump
it could be the prince
lethal stump
im gonna have to rewatch that cutscene
gray bridge
huh so the prince and king from concept art have a chance of still being canon or
round musk
The trail is coming from the clouds, though, it doesn't connect directly to the child star
So I think that symbolizes a transformation from the CoL to the king
lethal stump
@gray bridge it’s likely they exist, since they’re « referenced » in the current canon
however i don’t think we’ll ever see them to the extent the devs planned
we were going to see prince/king/both in eden
but that was scrapped
mellow sable
we were actually supposed to fight the king
round musk
In my theory, we are the king, so it wouldn't make sense for us to see the king
lethal stump
skykids are a new species, we can’t be the king
round musk
We carry the scattered bits of the eden elder's soul
lethal stump
@mellow sable
well, we weren’t going to fight him. we would summon the prince and he would fight for us
« fight » used loosely here
round musk
We are very similar to elders in many ways, so it makes sense if the skykid species was derived from an elder
round musk
Ever heard of macroevolution
mellow sable
still doesn't count
you can't just be one thing and then become another just. bam. like that
lethal stump
it has some merit, the original name for skykids was descendants after all
round musk
You can if you are a powerful godlike being with an extreme change of heart and intention
lethal stump
raf, it’s stated in the beginning that a very long time has passed. both skykids and elders are from the stars so it’s not a stretch to think they might be at least similar/distantly related
cold steppe
I would say just similar
as the devs have confirmed that they're distinct
also, tbh, relation implies... reproduction
anyway
as does evolution
mellow sable
"The Eden elder isn’t around to be saved anymore"
cold steppe
by definition
mellow sable
taken from the canon lore
cold steppe
it's unclear if that means there is one that isn't shown, or it was taken out completely
which is sad because a lot of things would make more sense
same with megabird
mellow sable
"Sky kids and elders aren’t the same or different species (note: subspecies probably)"
round musk
Skykids, the eden elder, and the child of light are all different from each other, yet are different parts of the same thing
cold steppe
the same thing is most likely the light
the subspecies comment was by Hage
not the devs
spring blaze
i think there was an eden elder, but due to the state of eden, he isnt around anymore. but it doesnt mean he never existed in the past
round musk
"Species" is used loosely because if they can't reproduce they technically aren't even living organisms
lethal stump
hell for all we know skykids are made of clay, of course they can’t reproduce
mellow sable
"Throughout the world there are these imprints this child of light, a character you are connected to and have a relationship with”
round musk
Spirits are different from skykids
lethal stump
OH MY GOD
CLAY
SKYKIDS ARE MADE OF CLAY
LIVING CLAY STATUES
GOLEMS
AND THE ELDERS HAVE HEBREW NAMES I—
lethal stump
it’s what we have
cold steppe
and they weren't even really names, just letters, tbh
mellow sable
we're connected to the child of light
cold steppe
the thing is, if it's not in game, we really don't actually have it
round musk
There is a lot of Abrahamic religious symbolism in the game, now that I think about it
lethal stump
yeah
cold steppe
as we can't speculate on something that isn't in game because it might not relate anymore
and yes, there is
mellow sable
which further proves MY theory that we're a vessel for the child of light, collecting it's fragments and eventually reuniting with it
lethal stump
there’s a lot drawn to christianity and judaism
one could argue the headscarves we see many spirits wearing is a connection to islam
so yea, lotsa abrahamic stuff
round musk
Imo opinion the Child of Light just represents the collective essence of all skykid souls/ winged light combined
cold steppe
I believe (at least) orthodox Judaism involves headscarves as well
round musk
It's what's left of the spirit of the Eden elder
mellow sable
not a mishmash of all the spirits
round musk
We don't know that
cold steppe
I would say that the child of light is at the very least the one that left the winged light (imprints of the child of light)
it's not confirmed that it's a collective and not a singular being
the devs call the child of light a "character"
round musk
Here's how I see it: the Child of Light is what you get when you take the children of light and smush them together into one being
mellow sable
we also see it in the intro sequence!
cold steppe
Winged light: “Throughout the world there are these imprints this child of light, a character you are connected to and have a relationship with” frequently called shiny bois by devs and in one later livestream “shiny bois” is referred to as something they should maybe not say while streaming, spoiler maybe?
Note: Interesting these first two videos refer to winged light differently (imprints of a child of light vs children of light)
(all notes are by Hage and are not the devs' words)
mellow sable
do you still have the screenshot wren
cold steppe
no
round musk
When we hug the Child of Light at the end of Eden, it represents you connecting with all the other skykids through the light
cold steppe
those
mellow sable
the child of light is shown in the intro to be a singular creature
cold steppe
isn't Sky really honestly an individual game
as in there really aren't other skykids per se?
just you?
cold steppe
one of those fun game mechanics vs. lore paradoxes
mellow sable
it's not a thing multiple people do at the same time
the child of light mirrors YOUR sky kid, you're the only one that CAN hug it
gray bridge
that's how i feel about the reincarnation thing, is it just to get the player to replay or is it actually lore
round musk
the child of light is shown in the intro to be a singular creature
@mellow sable before the king dies, the CoL is a singular creature. It's at the end of the intro when we see the fragments of the king's soul land and become skykid souls
mellow sable
which leads me to believe that canonically there's only one sky kid
round musk
Nah
mellow sable
we have very conflicting theories
the sky kids aren't the king
they're vessels
when our light is snuffed out, we return to our original form
a clay(?) golem
cold steppe
in concept art at least, reincarnation was a big part of the story
but that was concept art
round musk
When the king was one being, he was selfish and greedy, but when he split up into multiple, it brought a new era of altruism and mutual support. Hence the whole point of the game
round musk
They have the same star symbol in the intro
cold steppe
oh, so you're saying that's the king/eden elder
round musk
Assuming the big star shaped like a child is the CoL, yes
cold steppe
ok yeah
mellow sable
would the CoL willingly put itself in the diamond though?
hushed steeple
Copepod has a great point tho... As king is a mysterious character in game👀
round musk
We also meet the CoL at the end of Eden, similar to how we meet the elders at the end of their realms
cold steppe
I just have reservations about theories that depend on something that isn't really stated to be in game though. Don't get me wrong, it's a good theory. But it sometimes feels like building a story on a shaky foundation
Child of Light was confirmed by the devs
mellow sable
who said a king even exists
mellow sable
he's concept art
hushed steeple
Oh
cold steppe
the Eden elder is shaky at best
the only thing we know is that it can no longer be saved
whatever that means
mellow sable
which doesn't exactly confirm its existence
round musk
It means he'll never appear in the game, but it confirm it as part of canon lore
cold steppe
does it though?
round musk
Why is this a point of contention?
mellow sable
because it would be a huge plot hole
round musk
If the Eden elder isn't around to be saved anymore, then that means there used to be an Eden elder
hushed steeple
I've a question... King,eden elder and prince are one character?
cold steppe
oh, reika seems to have confirmed that the king was taken out
round musk
Yeah I think the prince idea was fully scrapped but basically
cold steppe
from Jay, who screenshot the conversation
https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/722912347181809744
cold steppe
like there is no king at all
round musk
Ooor he transformed into the king on his way down
cold steppe
also there's apparently a hidden Mario star under a map?
wind bone
Y’all that’s clearly a joke
hushed steeple
Mario world👀
cold steppe
which one was a joke
hushed steeple
Lmao
wind bone
Why would the king moving to the Mario world be serious
woven perch
maybe he wanted to go to vacation there
cold steppe
as in there's still a chance for the king?
wind bone
It was said in a livestream that the king existed but something happened to him which caused him to disappear physically
He exists in the lore
gray bridge
anything is possible 
cold steppe
oh interesting
wind bone
Yes it is
wind bone
It links to the wrong livestream though because it hasn’t been uploaded to YouTube 😔
cold steppe
it's not on the doc
wind bone
But it was a thing that was said and reika said it
spring blaze
yeah just bc he doesnt exist now doesn mean he didnt exist before
what we see in the game is only the surface
cold steppe
did you mean "The Eden elder isn’t around to be saved anymore"
wind bone
Yes
The full context was that reika said that the eden elder existed at one point but something happened to him
cold steppe
yeah
wind bone
Which is why we can’t save him like the other spirits
cold steppe
we're slightly confused about the whole king concept/existence
wind bone
He’s just w d gaster
cold steppe
as that one isn't in the doc
cold steppe
so the king = the eden elder?
woven perch
the long story short is, lore-wise, there was a king but then poof no more king
spring blaze
yeah
wind bone
I mean it’s a kingdom and you’re going to a castle it would be pretty weird if it wasn’t all leading up to a king
Also the vault cutscene showing a person of royalty
mellow sable
we know that creatures of light are born in clouds
wind bone
Also the friend constellation that represents eden that’s shaped like a crown
round musk
Or maybe the king as we know it doesn't exist anymore, but rather transformed into thousands of skykids
mellow sable
was the king a creature of light?
hushed steeple
King or prince???
round musk
Prince is no longer even a concept
cold steppe
it's technically a concept, but it was never realized
wind bone
I do think that sky kids are perhaps the king reincarnated 👁
cold steppe
and do you think the king is the Child of Light?
mellow sable
I seriously doubt that canonically there exist 2+ million sky kids
cold steppe
or are they different?
wind bone
Maybe 👁
round musk
It's unclear whether the elders were light creatures, seeing as they lost their light over time. Almost as if they were vessels for it
mellow sable
much like us
round musk
Exactly
mellow sable
I don't think the king is the child of light
hushed steeple
Btw I wanna know more about that weird thing in prairie
woven perch
they were good, but then they werent as good, so the megabird yeeted them out of orbit
gray bridge
if the elder guy whoever is comprised of all the skykids maybe that's why there's like teeny diamonds on the skykids? if it all banded together...
round musk
It might have just been symbolic of their separation from The Light
cold steppe
oh yeah, same, Amio
spring blaze
what weird thing
hushed steeple
#lore-discussion-spoilers message
What's this
mellow sable
the diamonds are a leftover from beta
it's not related to the lore
our "core" is the winged light
it's shown in the intro cutscene
round musk
We also have one more winged light than it says on our cape meter: the one that makes up our soul
mellow sable
indeed
cold steppe
what do you mean?
mellow sable
basically like
wind bone
Oh
mellow sable
we have one wing that will always be part of us
wind bone
That’s just the old version of the Orb that we have now
cold steppe
of what orb
wind bone
It’s the same thing it just looks different
round musk
When we lose all our cape's winged light, we're transported to an unknown location, but we're still alive
hushed steeple
Orb
wind bone
U kno... the one in our chest
mellow sable
this
round musk
That's our candle
wind bone
Our light 
round musk
The light goes away when we pull the candle out
wind bone
In older versions of the game the orb would extinguish when you ran out of light
Idk why they changed it 
It was after launch
gray bridge
so basically the core isn't the orb thingie but wl?
cold steppe
oh yeah, what is that weird pillar thing that Amio posted earlier?
I think it's new?
hushed steeple
It seems something like powered diamond machine?
wind bone
This is from september