#lore-discussion-spoilers
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Can’t rlly tell if it says Aylin since it’s a little blurry
But that’s jus me
I’m blind 🙂
someone had a larger picture and and transcribed them just after the livestream last month
couldn't find the pic
I took a screenshot myself. are the letters more legible? a bit?
isn’t teth the forest elder
yes
9th?
19th?
wait no 9
when followed by an apostrophe it represents the number 9000
jsshjsjs big dumb in pain
I think they were like code names, could mean nothing at all. devs do not use those names anymore you know
true
also earlier littlekrill was a bit late on catching up with all the basic things we see in game
power diamonds and stuff
i just think the diamonds on our masks are a symbol of a certain tribe or family emblem
lmao yeah could be that too or we just opened our eyes and they go ZOOM
well i don’t think so we can still function without the diamonds once we lose all light
Re: Teth and such—All of those names are names of Hebrew letters
plus there’s also the option of not wearing a mask so oof
I looked up the meaning of them on some websites and posted it here a while back, though I am no expert of Hebrew
@sudden sleet I don't know if the meaning of letters were related to the elders or not, but I looked back your post and found that some other elders names have also been confirmed!! I remember reading your post but totally forgot that
If anyone is able to keep track of everything posted in this channel, they are super human anyway 
and I even forget what I have said
The image is blurred for me but from what I can see that is HILARIOUS
can’t read the first word but
Bitter
Sexy
drunk????
possessed
Did I see a lantern?
ive got a closeup in-game sc of the mask too if youd like! 
The first word is either symmetrical or cynical I cannot. Tell,,,, hm
'human world object'
I think it’s supposed to be cynical but they just spelled it wrong
Symmetrical is too long
you right, hm,
yeah
KSKSKS “human world object” I’m,,
I love the lantern on the umbrella concept though,, very fitting for forest
what do they mean by possessed
I don’t know and I wanna know
i just had to, im sorry
cynical auntie
shes carried a little bit off that personality to the current design jhsdUFHJDKSF
"concerned only with one's own interests and typically disregarding accepted standards in order to achieve them."
and she just
yanks dat light out of your hands
we still love her though
We stan
Honestly tho?? Love the marking details
t h i c c
is she still thicc i forgot already hehhdbdjd
i have to sa y the early design was too sexy for kids to witness
Aaaaaa! Hey! Lore peeps!
I am putting together an album of all the murals you can find in game,
Though for certain ones like the
spirit , that only show in the spirit cutscenes I can’t get on my own
So if anyone has good shots of the murals for spirit specific murals (that in,y show up if you relive it) I’d love it if you could send them to me 
Pretty sure I took pictures of all the murals during relive quests (not cutscenes) like the
one, you can check the album at pinned messages here ^^
Thank youuuuuu 
Looking forward to your album!

I always thought that wasteland himbo n vault mom had the same goal 
for wasteland dude, the city is in ruins but there seems to be one last stand left; the vault
and so they both tryna protect the things that remain after everything around them collapses 🥺
hence the hug I drew HDKDDHKDDN
lord knows they need one
well-needed hugs aside
LOOK AT THIS EDIBLE CRAB LORE
CRAB OVERLOAD
“Pringle Dad”? 
sorry but he’ll forever be the pringle dad to my heart 
Probably like crab
like normal crabs?
i mean i think they have more shell than meat
why do they look like chicken
yeah
can i get uuuuuh
ch i c k e n
this is my favourite channel because of how feral it gets
I realised when you look at the shadow of your sky kid, you only see the body, not the wings.
So, the wings is just light.
We are wearing to fly
@jovial nacelle our cosmetics are invisible too, and that kinda makes sense because......we are getting them from dead people
God, that is... wrong-
krhdirjfjfn
Ghost clothes
ghlothes
Love me some ghlothes
I know this isn’t lore related, but Happy New year everyone
Hopefully in 2020 tgc will give us some really good ghlothes
Good lord imagine a group of those chasing you with two feet
imagine the graceful gallop instead
crabs were supposed to be walking 2 legged??
spooky
kinda like a weird version of thumbelina
crabelina
also oh god while doing the cry emote spirit again i just realised they made graves for their friends
@drifting copper ikr! That was dark
Anyone know/have any theories about these eggs? Is it a leftover from a season or what?
@hushed steeple I always just assumed they were “literally” Easter eggs
yeah pretty sure they’re just easter eggs
I thought “Easter eggs” or “Manta eggs”
Also this solidifies a theory!
The pots from prairie were probably transferred in boats to forest. It details that on the murals.
Has anyone else noticed something.
(Sorry if im saying it again?? I don’t think my message sent before)
The constellations show what each kingdom was about (?)
And or each elder’s symbol,
Like Vault’s probable storage units?
For sure Forest’s industrial nature + the hammer and anvil forest has at the end
I really want to get elder capes ghghfgdg then ill finally have the chance to rep Vault dad heck ye
Though GHFGDDD GD D I CANT
AUTOCORRECT
RUNNING CRAB
I want Forest Wife
@ what u guys said about the easter eggs: if those are manta eggs in-lore, it would honestly be really cute if thats what they looked like
RUNNING CRAB S 
@errant rivet they are dragon eggs

No
They’re mine
Jay running with the eggs !!
Just something i thought about the spirits, when you relive their memories, it's likely their final memories before they died. The crying and
<- this emote (I dont know what to call it) are good examples of how this can apply. They most likely turned into dark plants since there are large chunks near the statue reliving thing
@modest sequoia about that crab thing:
Sir , sir control your service crab in the TSA. Search area!
I don’t think they’d let me and my anti anxiety service crab on the plane
@barren path

There are some strange stone things on the ground which I thought were the graves of her friends but it looks like these would be graves (second picture)
Took the time to analyze the crying spirits memories
Looks like they got trapped by the dark plants
Tried to mine their way out possibly
Rocks collapsed
Two died while the other two tried to save them
The part thats really sad is how it looks like the final friend left looks really chill while he’s stuck at the dark plant
Its like he tries to comfort the girl
Then he dies and then we dont know what happens to the crying spirit
Well she eventually dies actually because she’s a spirit but we dont quite know how
I thought the three little bright objects are boats?
It looks like a grave made out of a pile of rocks
I’m pretty sure I’ve seen it (at some point, maybe older versions) in game before
Maybe they just moved them to the other spot later? Or the glowing ones don’t represent the actual location
I thought these were graves... >.<
Yeah that’s usually what the game uses for graves... you can even see the ones in the second picture from Galactic are the same broken graves
This area changed a lot through development so I wouldn’t be surprised if the difference is just an oversight
not all graves have to look the same to be graves
After a bit of hunting found this old picture from the beta. This used to be oob in the forest (not sure which area tho) and you can see both graves more clearly
oooOO
OOOOOOO
well danng
And I think this one is from the same version
Just slightly different from now because before every spirit would have their own grave like that
I always thought about that actually. You would see graves everywhere in the game, marking the spirits location... who built them? 
Have you seen Journey?
There are a lot of headstones too....
Yeah, it definitely gave some journey vibes to see them
I think it makes more sense to see the actual spirits like we do now
(If only we could relive their memories whenever we wanted
)
as seen in the
, people are mining away the plants.
So the humans/spirits can't burn them like we do?
I think the spirits didn’t have the power/blessing of light we do
We keep our candles in our chest anyway as long as we have light we have flame
oh yeah...!
We do see lanterns everywhere so it’s safe to assume the spirits used them tho
ahh yes :)
the sprits in the vault peek into the lanterns.
like they are studying a manuscript.
could the lanterns be the equivalence of books?
I'm asking so many questions XD
The ones in the shelves at vault almost seemed sealed, and they have blue lights too
so there are different types of lanterns 
Maybe 
Very late but the rock piles show up outside the exit of the forest caverns
Another rock pile but not the exact same appearance by the gate near the shiver spirit
so... people died there? 
I’m trying to find a picture of old home when friends shrines were scattered around the place, I’m pretty sure they were those rocks at some point (which is pretty ominous
)
OMG so your friends are all dead?
Beautiful!

Maybe if we find all the rock pile locations in the game we may be able to figure out what they are supposed to be?
Like tbh its kind of weird the someone would just be like “ok well person died here lets not bring them to any like cemetery area or something and instead bury them here and give them a pile of stones as a grave. Perfect!”
for the cry spirit it seems more like they used the rock piles as makeshift graves?
Perhaps they had different uses
Maybe she used the rocks that she and her friend broke while trying to get their friends out of the rock collapse thing
Found it 
I think they might be used for different things, like graves made out of rocks when you have nothing else to bury your friends with 
THE FRIEND SHRINES OKAY LET ME-
You see your friends in orbit right? So it’s safe to say they may be some of the ones you “save” (ignoring game mechanics and focusing on lore)
this is silly ah let me. Think
Alright
From now on, I will write down every idea presented in this channel. I will keep it on a document. I will keep records and photos. I feel like so many ideas have already been brought up but has also been forgotten because there’s just too many things to explore and learn. I also want to see how much people agree on an idea and I want them to determine how valid it is. So from this message forward I will write any new idea presented(and I guess I’ll also try to scroll up as far up as possible).
I’ll be some type of secretary or historian :))
There has been an idea before that the whale bones in forest are from a whale that crashed into the tree ahead of it. I believe they thought when it landed the shake it caused could have been the reason for the cave in the crying spirit area to collapse
boop#6494
They’re the person
@maiden glen take a look at this removed feature (it was added very shortly just before launch, and removed after a brief period of testing)
Statues had favorited friends’ names above them 
So your theory is not as silly as you think ^^
I believe it was removed because it was a lot of clutter on the screen, but the meaning might still be the same
OMDNDJ I. Was right? Ong-
Well now I’m sad,,
Bbs
Sad
So this means,,,,
my friend kat has been not doing so well on her eden runs,,
KAAAAAATTT
Anyways this is pretty cool
LCMDND KAT YOU GOTTA SAVE UR FRIENDS MAN
I wish there was a mechanic that when you die when others are with you you spawn a statue
:0

oh and that would also make the crown constellation make more sense why it holds your favourited friends
and why it’s associated with Eden :0
this is a little late... but,
shall we add pictures/films for the old cloud island in isle to the picture collection?
TGC completely rebuilt it.
I found the smiley face hidden at the back at Ayin’s temple 
AND LIKE
WHAT IF HE MADE IT

bro
does that mean
we’re all just failed attempts
at restoring the light
every reborn we’re a new sky kid
hdhdjdhdhdhd
No, we succeed little by little
@scarlet wren yes that does add more sense to the crown constellation
@worthy cipher Please do share 🙂
@scarlet wren do u know if one can go through the opening of eden... tried today come so close but yet so far...
not sure what you mean..?
The diamond in the distance? It's not an opening, it's a diamond
I was right there once
But I died
Maybe one day I’ll just ignore all statues an try when I’m bored
I think you might get knocked back by rocks before you get close
I've only seen it on a video when there's a glitch and no rocks
okie so ehhhh random thoughts from me but
so when looking at the Valley and Wasteland masks
I had like thoughts as to how, maybe they're some sort of ranking system
But at the same time....not really????
I do like the sound of that
( oh man I need better hairstyle for these masks....visors??? idk )
( had to change it back to my rabbit mask )
and also, the first pic is like the only one that doesn't have the two pointy things
unlike the other three masks
also for the second and third pics, the middle part are slightly wider than the last pic
hmm lemme see if I could edit these pics brb!
I reckon the rankings go: third pic, second pic, first pic, fourth pic
hmm I guess?
The third’s from the look out spirit so probably a scout
Also what's strange about Valley and Wasteland is that
both of them has two masks each
Whereas for every other worlds
one
And those four masks?
All but Prairie and Isle have 2 capes
ah right the no mask from the red cape spirit
hmm... Im not too sure about that one since its technically just a warrior spirit with no mask
Sulking because he got kicked out of the army
who knows who knows 👀
Wait, what if masks are their, like, profession

The sweat emote has a jar mask
I mean, it works

ah wait
Onto the valley masks ( excluding the no mask spirit )
( also yes someone has pointed out that the second mask to the right may based off the Whale, or at least the skull of it )
aka

OHHHHH
holy moly wait just....just realised soemthing
Oh?
This mask right?
that middle part
Looks kinda like the Forest Mask
Aka the diamond mask
every other masks?
theres no blue part

HMMMMMMMMM
ah crab my nose itchy
( and yes, this mask also has the blue bit as well )
I don’t need sleep, I need answers
Design maybe?
It’s the lore channel, overthinking can lead to interesting discussions
true true 
Another random thing do dwiddle about (made up word)
What do you think the symbols mean on the vault mask?
I dont have a photo of it Rn but it’s just something on the back of my mind
Perhaps some written knowledge only the sholars know of?
Perhaps
I mean like, it looks a bit like the diamond mask from forest
Or.... something

I’m not great with theories, I just wanted to think of some sort of topic
Like, how come this grave only glows when you light the candles?
wait a second...
I’ll be back
Couldn’t find the photo, anyway, those grave in the photo are place on what looks like miniature bell towers
Noooooot the best analysis
buuut here my ehhh take on those four masks

so hot...over here
Note that the antennae on 4 stick out at a wider angle than 1
mhmm!
forgot to add that but yup, the antennae for number 4 is wider than number 1
though not as curved as number 3
@raw grail before, graves would indicate where you could find spirits and you could get the emotes by lighting the candles in front of the graves. Glowing graves would indicate what emotes you didn’t have yet (this was very relevant back when we used to lose emotes in Eden)
My guess is because 8land hasn’t changed at all since that time, the concept is still the same given you always watch the cutscene after lighting all candles (as if you were unlocking an emote you didn’t have)
An old pic showing a glowing grave and a normal one ^^
Back when capes had awesome patterns
Which location was this picture taken at @crimson grove
It was aviary
That location has been removed right?
Yeah
The antennae look like horns to me ngl @sand abyss
Woah, thanks!
Just noticed something 😳, when we bring out our candle the light on our chest goes out... I guess that’s where sky kids carry their light
Sorry for the quality it wouldn’t send the video otherwise
Also this may be a bug but the face 😷 mask has the forehead diamond switched off 🤔
Better quality video
some some had discovered there’s 3 variations of the default mask
i asked some friends and some of them did have those various masks, one of the variants has the non-glowing diamond
I wonder if it means anything
So
Apparently there was a way to spawn a krill in the office?
Has that been disabled for the holidays?
The office decorations and stuff change sometimes, the krill was for Halloween. But as it’s an Easter egg it’s not really lore related
Idk if u are talking about the toilet krill but yea that was a long time ago
It’s a mask yes 
this photo is w/o mask
Oooooh maskless looks so nice with the flower cape from Lightseekers,, wish I got it,
How do you take off the mask
It’s a cosmetic from one of the valley spirits, 30 hearts 
i use it all the time tbh
Well I’ll get it eventually I guess
Wait wait wait, was there an interview recently? Where am I seeing all that concept art from?
Well, there’s the Elder live stream and Belonging livestream that showed off concept art. But there’s also an album of concept art in the pins
i mean all the links are in this channels pins
Ah, ok!
So, can I put my idea
Of the krill king?
I mean it sounds corny, but
he hangs out in eden, but doesnt attack
He talks to you
Close by, but rarely visible
Trying to coerce or scare you
Here’s an example of what he says,
We’re created just to die
The spirits sins are reason why
They all feared what hides from the sun
Might as well have some fun!
When the light is running low,
And the shadows start to grow,
And the places that you know,
Cut away the afterglow,
There’s a light inside your soul,
Slowly shrinking in the cold,
From the truth deep down you know,
And yet darker we will go!
(Insert pic)
awww so cute
i wanna pet it
and then run away from it as far as i can
concept art
for krills i believe
My concept art of a krill king
The first king ran off when skykids started bringing light back, but left his crown
@silk salmon Discussion about lore based on what’s been hinted in the game is fine, but fan art and other fan creations should stay in other channels so that the lore discussion is easier to navigate 
Sooo muuuuch infoorrrmmaattiioon
But all the theories that I’ve been reading are so good. So I’ve written down all the ideas presented from Last Monday to now. I’ve also written old but detailed theories like the Ark Project and the creation of the Diamond Eye. I’ve also tried my best to write down the information provided by the concept arts. I’ve organized them into sections(History, Spirit Stories, Culture/Daily Life, Geography, Environment, Symbols/Objects/Architecture, Creatures/Animals blah blah blah). I’m also gonna be soon recording the Two Shield Theory. The first to identify that there were two types of shields was ginsy on 10/26/2019. The first to theorize that the sky people have fought eachother based off of that fact was Granny Pigeon 11/24/2019. I mean ginsy did admit on 10/29/2019 that he thought of there being a civil war BUT he doubted the idea. ANYWAY, I’m so excited to record more LORE.
8 WHOLE PAGES OF INFORMATION
PHEW
dannng the amount of backlog you went through
mad respect yo
Pigeon was the one who brought up the theories of the Two Shields
_meanwhile me and Jay were the one who further extended the theory out, to the point it gets everyone talking _
Also good luck keeping record for the theories Butter!!!
Make sure to credit Pigeon and Ginsy with the big bold font~ hehee they deserve it really
Haha I will :))
Isle and prairie constellations are missing. Why?
Hmm

Try scrolling over?
you sure you look around....right????
Ofc
Lol
that...interesting you brought up
cos I don't remember seeing Isle or Prairie Elders at all...
Me too idk why at all

Hm

Well you could always ask in #report-a-live-bug
Hmmm idk....
Either A)
The devs forget to add those two in
or B)
it was intentional for them not to appear
WHICH BEGS THE QUESTIONS
WHAT HAPPENED?!
are these elders at Orbit played the important roles to the point they up there ?
after all
we're in the lore channel
Uhm okay I’ll report it but...
If you're only here to post about your gameplay at Eden
Its best to move it at #eden-spoilers
Hm
So I’m going to go back to a week or so ago to ask about something we said
How exactly are the batteries made in the forest? Did we say with the wood?
this gives me the idea that they weren’t really involved in the “conflict” that may or may not have happened,,, or they are excluded BECAUSE they chose neutrality,,,,, HMMMMMM

thinking
@livid valve if you make a big call, you can see the rest of them. so I think it's a bug we are missing some elders there. actually those line elders were totally invisible in some devices.
@spare sonnet We don't know how exactly are the diamonds were made, but the gate cutscene suggests they have been combining something from the trees with something in the jars
and the forest elder in their own cutscene looks like they are fixing a diamond not making one?
But out of all objects, trees? Thanks by the way
sure!
I do wonder why they have an anvil and hammer, it must be for a reason because those dont craft wood anyway
Or I might be rambling, again...
where they hammering butterflies
yeah I wish we had more canonical info on diamond production
But now I’m determined to find out why it’s an anvil and hammer
The things elders do all represent something
Like the prairie elder, who is a parallel to Pandora’s box
I'm intrigued by the orb of light
Oh
Oh my
they used the diamonds and potentially the butterflies to make those golden diamonds we see in the temple
I meant to edit the earlier post to mei but failed, anyway, yeah those are the rest of the elders found by my sis
in the orbit
up in the skies~
All I saw was the credits symbol and 3 skykids holding hands
and some cannot see them at all, it depends on the device it seems
Do I have to unlock the ultimate rewards for me to see it?
I've never seen that either
i think it's unrelated to unlocking the constellation, the mural was there (always partly missing but probably always visible through big calls) since I was a newbie
I am not sure if the big calls will make the elders in sky visible to all people (devices), maybe I should try that with another device too.
I’m pretty sure you only see them when you walk far enough down the star path
Because I only see all of them when I’m really close to the portal
And sometimes I can only see some at a different angle
It’s kinda like when you get close to the portals at home, you can see their constellations
And you can only see them at a certain angle
I could see them from anywhere in that area but maybe people who couldn't can see them through the gate!!
Oop yeah I’m wrong. I remember being able to see them anywhere I was in orbit.
But I remember having a hard time getting a pic of the entire mural ^the pic I sent
I remember that they kept on chopping off parts of the constellations when I was looking at them at a different angle
I got really frustrated because my camera angle kept on resetting to its “proper” angle
Like it kept on moving, and the vault Eder would disappear from the sky
I probably stumble and reborn before taking a good pic like that but I will try that next time I go there
Fun fact: those murals are remnants of the old Eden, where you lost emotes and not winged light and you could actually survive 👀
That thingy the wasteland elder is holding
Looks like something from the old concept art
yeah the isle and prairie elder is like cut off from the sky, i dont rlly understand why
That thingy was a battle paddle 
Wasteland elder used to carry a really big paddle instead of a spear
That got changed very early on to a spear tho
nice picture!
i love prairie dad
a crab perhaps

writing down Morgan Freeman and a crab as possible open narrators
Some people think it’s Vault Vault
I theorized that actually because the Vault elder seems so much more tired than the others,,
They actually just get more defeated as you go when you compare Valley to Wasteland and Vault-
She seems the one Most willing to help the children on their journey to recover the realms, and the most weary 
Poor Vault mom, I’d hug her if I could
I thought of the Vault elder as... knowing or understanding what happened to the previous children at eden. and just.. so sad and tired
when they hand you that diamond thing, I thought of that moment as like sadness for the skykid + "this is our last chance"
I was thinking it was Vault Elder as well
out of all of them, it seems like she was expecting you
Pro-tip! When confronted by a krill, if you have time, use the fake death emote to make them not see you for a second to give you time to hide!
while a good tip, not sure if this is the right place to put it idk
probably better when you can give that advice when some one asks for it
Yea
since things eventually get drowned out, also suggestions isn’t really the right channel either
🤷🏼♂️
Your conversation made me think of the poster in the office area with the stages of life
I started to see a lot more in some areas and that stuff
Pretty cool
yeah! It’s really nice to just explore to see stuff you might’ve missed just playing normally
How come I could walk thru the TV in the office and get out in space? But I cant seem to do it again
that’s only available on certain days
also this is the wrong channel for this question
Aha I thought this was spoilers channel
Since people above me talked about the office
This channel is for lore discussion. You can ask office questions in #questions-and-help with spoiler tags
aha thanks I thought it was Spoilers, lore discussion
Anything in the office isn’t lore
Well....except the posters and that huge spiny thingy at the portal
Ye I know now thanks !But first I thought this channel was Spoilers AND lore discussion 🙂
The spoiler part is for eden and rebirth and stuff
I think it would make more sense for it to be called just “lore discussion.” But I understand why they put “spoilers” at the beginning. So that it could serve as a warning that there will be spoilers in the channel.
Yea
Someone trying to talk about lore and all of a sudden they’re like “wait what, WE SUPPOSED TO DIE AND LOSE ALL OUR STARS??? AHHHH”
We don’t want that to happen
So we kinda need that “spoiler” part
maybe it should be tacked on the end like #eden-spoilers
just seems like a really common issue where ppl think this is just the spoiler channel
i guess so, but it would save a little time if we could make it clearer this is a lore channel haha
Mhm mhmm
channel description might help too
Dooood, several people believe that the narrator is the king. Some people think it’s the megabird(including pines). Pines is the only one who said it was the sun(probably said it jokingly tho). And, yes, people also think it was Vault Vault.
And I also wanna clear up something before putting it down on a document.
Is there a difference between the “eden elder(somebody also said “ultimate elder” haha)” and the king?
eden elder is just the king i’m pretty sure
Phew ok
Well I only kno that bc of the posters in the office and all the concept arts
And the concept names of the elders are a little unclear. What were their concept names? Because I thought(based on the concept arts) it was(going in order) Tsadi, Aylin(Ayin), Teth, Daleth, Lamed, Samekh, and Nef. But Nagati says otherwise, with concept arts backing her up too.
I know concept names don’t matter but like it’s cool to have that type of information
there was concept art with names underneath but if you ask me it’s kinda unclear who’s who
@humble barn ehhhh was that a bug??? Thank you so much I’ll check it again
@livid valve you are welcome! probably a bug but it is fun to find the hidden images
im watching the start scene again and
does this mean the elders were cast away?
seemingly by someone else; someone in charge of them
humanoid
nef?
so they started their own kingdoms?
it doesnt seem to be vault mom
because her constellation was cast down too
but she seemed to pick the closest home to the sky
all the elders we have in live were cast down
"if only they had listened"
i wouldnt really say kingdom. theyre all temples, not castles aside from the one at the mountain. theyre all part of one Kingdom
ohh okay!!
from sky's website!
OHHH SO ITS JUST DIFFERENT PARTS
i dont really understand the "darkness blinds" part

Blinds your judgement maybe
Darkness has been a reoccurring thing to “blind” from either judgement or something internal like care.
I think it holds a little more weight here since this game is literally put on the balance scale of light burning out the dark.
I can’t type a whole lot rn ack sorry
Our eyes are always closed
(easily seen when you try on or wear the maskless cosmetic in the closet )
Personally I’ve always thought of the kids having no mouth, eyes closed, and essentially having to learn everything is an analogy to the
“See no evil, speak no evil, do no evil” kinda thing but I’ve forgotten the exact saying 
i think the thing is just “hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil” from like 3 monkeys?
i think so
ok so i’m just gonna ramble a bit
i think there was a question that was just: “How does the vault elevator work”
probably obvious now, but. That diamond might be the only working diamond other than the door ones.
and we know that it’s similar to the door ones bc, you have to give it light in order for it to activate
much like in Vault, you light and find lanterns to power the diamond.
we also see that it becomes depleted of light, again in Forest the doors eventually close because the diamond also stops being lit
||spoiler||
also this is an inactive diamond, it’s all black and kinda looks like its moving
not sure where i’m going with this but i’m just making observations
It doesn’t seem to move—it looks like the “movement” you see on it is actually your vague reflection!
Idk wth TGC plans to do with this locked gate. Next season?

So far, just an empty room with three lanterns
Wasteland himbo elder’s stone is the only one cracked here?
there’s a model of it broken in half
oOH
Mhmm!
When his shrine was outside he gate, after meditating it would be broken in half
Looks like it’s been repaired by someone
yeshhh as soon Pigeon showed me the broken version of WL Elder...
PHHHH
I was in big shock
i think the spear and shield went missing afterward
Oh yeahhhh they did!!
His spirit broke out?
The spear moved to the door
∠( ᐛ 」∠)_
HMMMMM
Also forgive me if I’m mistaken but
Vault elder is the only one who doesn’t bow in the final scene right?
yeah
could that signify higher rank?
although in an earlier version cutscene she actually does kneel
so i’m not really sure why
hmmmmmmmmm
BIG THINK HERE
I mean
With her domain on the highest point of the clouds
It’s plausible
plus shes the elder of vault of knowledge, possibly the most important building of the entire Kingdom considering that its pretty much a massive library (library of alexandria?). and since the wasteland temple is connected to the tower, and we saw how most of the battle happened near the entrance (and barricaded too) vault is pretty dang important
being the elder for such an important building, ig she does rank higher than the others. her headpiece shows that shes a scholar too
even the spirits in Vault are considered as Scholars in that one concept art
valley may be considered the capital but the kingdom's heart is vault
Meaning they are well respected class
Mhmm mhmm it’s like Valley to Rome and Vault to Alexandria Library
this season's vault spirit also gives us the wise lookin stance
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I’m not sure what I’m proving here but yeah same cracks
Theory: model reusage HDKDJDDMFM
i also wonder what's the significance of her kissing the diamond before offering it to us
Last of their knowledge maybe
yeah maybe!! 
mwah to the diamond
tbh i was thinking she was whispering some sort of enchantment onto it so it activates the murals or something
smooch 
did the eden elder send them a w a y
there’s only 6 stars in the opening scene and one HUMANOID THING
ONLY THING I CAN THIBK OF IS EDEN ELD E RUDJDHD
YOO THATS WHAT I THOUGHT TOO!!
LIKE THE NARRATOR IS EDEN ELDER
WAIT NARRATOR IS EDEN ELDER MAKES SENSE

LIKE THEY’RE THE ONLY ONE WE HAVEN’T S E EN
AND THEY’RE NOT EVEN AT THEIR REALM SO
uH MULTIPLE KINGDOMS THEORY PROBABLY
eden elder must have like
some big boi role
like having the ability to send elders away
i wonder if they all succumbed to the darkness in different ways
or one big fall out
heehee
fall
🥁

but yeah probably the latter though
just one big fall out
industrial revolution really was their downfall lmao
too little of something is bad but too much of something is worse
bro
i still like the idea of multiple kingdoms hhhhh
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Not sure if this is a bug, but do we know who this is?
Figure in Vault, just before Eden
I've had that happen too and the glitched spirit will charge your light
Hi I don’t have a photo of this but in the floating island in isle of dawn there are tiny paintings of mantas on the building
I think mantas were very important for the sky kids
You mean in Birds Nest? Yea! Theres little snippets of murals there~ but I don’t think they’re mantas (as they are orange) and may also be a nod to the megabird 
@drifting copper Sky itself is one kingdom, with the (now obliterated) castle lying at the top of Eden, and the other elders have temples, but not castles.
i’m 99% sure murals represent Mantas
Not all of them 
If the megabird is special to the people, it sounds more like it would be a centre piece and not so plentiful
are Krill manmade?
In journey the "krill" are.
The devs state that many of the light and dark creatures are natural
but they never actually say krill are natural
hmm, i had the though krill are organic but have been augmented by stuff but i don’t have anything to back that up
Sky children are stars right? But they have earthly forms when landing on the earth. During the time of ascension however, they shine bright as stars - maybe that’s their true form?
The krill feel like they're manmade, they make metallic klank-y sounds when they go by.
If I remember correctly, the next stream’s Q&A session is planned to focus on the krill and crabs, so it’d be a perfect time to ask when the stream arrives 
source ?👀
iirc it was from the stream itself, though sadly the video is no longer available on twitch and they have yet to put it onto the yt channel 
ahh
it was not stated in the stream but jiisama got the info "the next live stream is going
to be about light and dark creatures"
Ofc he would
the opening krill scene depicts the krill targeting the manta which is producing or contains some kind of light much like the sky kids. since the krill don’t actually eat (as far as i can tell) the sky children or the light. considering that life in sky is self-sustainable and there’s no evident food source (correct me if i’m wrong on the food source, i just haven’t seen any food cutscenes and the sky kids don’t seem to have mouths) however it is notable to take into account the tray-like stones during the end scene of the belonging season. leading me to believe the krill have a motive to attack, which isn’t to eat us. whether it is because we have invaded their land or destroyed their territory, or built on their habitat hence the ruins. i am not sure
Cooked krab
Thats food that exists
You can see it at the fireplace in wasteland
Wait I meant krab oops
Skykids don’t eat, the old spirits ate crabs
Interesting
Gonna consider that Skykids and Elders/Spirits are not the same
eh... race???
Hmmm.....
they're entirely different species, not just different races
mhmm somethjng like that
Hmm couldn’t find the right term but yeah, these two groups are different
Spirits are the stars and the ancestors of Sky kids
Sky kids are manifestations of the star species that are specialized to thrive and venture in the darkness infested world
Their life force is their flame
While the life force of the spirit is pure light
Which is why Sky kids always return as kids instead of staying in Orbit
i realised they’re not cold resistant
also apparently have breath?? at least when doing the shivering emote
the flame in them is definitely their life force though
I think the breath concept was only for the cold emote
Like telekinesis
We can’t actually shoot purple waves out of our hands as a part of the lore
It’s just something to add to the emote
oooooo alright
though unlocking the emote does give a weak form of telekinesis to your skykid, as shown in the four-player telekinesis puzzle
as well as the standstill hover ability from the meditate emote
mimicking what they’re doing like children
I always thought we’d “copy” the emotions from them, and that would explain why some emotes are more goofy than realistic (like the
emote) because it’s from a child’s perspective
Yeah pigeon!
And maybe the sparkly versions are our imagination too
hmm i hadn’t really thought about the sparkly ones jdhfjfjf
Play dead Spirit: (dies)
Sky kid: Are you sleeping?
Spirit: Um... yes.
they’re kids so gotta be family friendly
the spirits know they’re wee babs so no actual dying
i thought the play dead spirit would be playing dead in front of krills or some thing but no the guy literally dies in that scene ndhfkfnfn
that’s just s a d
Faint spirit just questioning if the kid actually knows what’s going on
mhmm yup he died
poor guy really
if it’s like death by crabs
perhaps
but if it’s something more dire then....
that’s a big concern right there
Maybe he just played along with the sky kid’s perception of what happened
hehe perhaps so
do not worry children i did not die I was merely sleeping
Even though Sky kids have a harsh final journey in the end they are very innocent haha
even though some of them are waaay older than him
hehe
And Press On
little kids tryna make friends, learn emotes and emotions
and then comes cry spirit
crryyyy noo
c r i e s
I'm concluding that the spirits and the Sky kids use the same types of bodies, but are differentiated by their life force. Spirits can stay in orbit as stars and share their memories from when they had physical forms (this includes elders), while Sky kids must always return as children because of their flame. I don't quite know how winged light plays into this...
cry spirit’s memories ar ejust s a d
i mean i believe that the winged light is to save your friends
cause of the old friend gravestones in game
Maybe it's the light force that lets them become spirits...
Maybe it was separated from the Sky kids when the light was lost
And is the reason why their flames need to be tied to their wax/stone bodies
Skykids have spirit souls in them as well, which look exactly like the blue-coned lights that make up the actual spirits (whereas what we can see of their bodies is just part of the illusion made from reliving the memory, though they would've had a real body when they were alive)
You can see it when you tap on a friend star and it shows them dropping down to you, and it's what you collapse into when you die in eden and haven't gone to the black room yet
sjhdjdhd
skymii why did you make me remember filthyfrank playing the flute with his nose
hehee you’re welcome
Ok honestly I have thought so hard about skykids playing music. Like what you guys said
tHeY don’t have moUths
So like... hOw?
I think we’re singing the sounds of the instrument. If our bodies were just shells and we’re hollow inside, are the sounds of the instrument just coming from vibrations from our bodies??? And they don’t even have nOses. Our elders don’t even have noSeS or moUths. We don’t need to eat or breathe. The skykids dont need those holes. The only holes we have is our eye sockets. But we obviously don’t play our instruments through our eye sockets. 👀 right? And when we wear the no mask mask, our eyes are CLOSED. So there are no holes that lets us play an instrument that requires breathing.
I think we imitate the sounds of the instruments. Like how we could change the sound of our calls.
Or the instruments magically play themselves to the notes we desire 
Haha maybe
tis magical instruments after all
And here’s another thing I was thinking about. Like what Sky Beanie said, only our bodies cast a shadow. So like, everything that we’re wearing is just light. And we already know that whenever we lose our light, our cosmetics disappear(except our capes. Maybe because our capes keeps our winged light[even though we pull the winged light out of our chest, but our capes still show the diamonds on our back so meh] and therefore letting our lightless form keep the capes). Maybe the reason why we need to buy our cosmetics from spirits is because they are teaching us what they look like. “This is what the instrument looks like and this is what they sound like” or “this is the color of the cape and this is what the pants looks like.” They teach us how to manipulate the light in a way where it looks a certain way. They probably also teach us how to make certain sounds. You can’t ask me “then why couldn’t the skychildren just look at the spirits and manipulate the light to look like them?” Well why can’t the skychildren just laugh or cry or express anything without physically seeing the spirit do it? Happiness and sadness is such a common thing and yet skychildren don’t know how to express it. Skychildren can’t do simple things. As smart as the skychildren may seem, they’re kinda dummy butts. Remember their babies(in a way).
Aaaaaaaaaaand another thing I was thinking about. About the no mask mask. Like bruh. We’re walking with our eyes closed. How do the skykids even know where to go??? So they don’t even need eyes to know how to navigate. I guess they just know what their surroundings look like because everything is a memory, an imagination, an image that they made up or memorized. ALL the children memorized the same location(and every location) to the point where they can navigate with their eyes closed.
Or maybe we just know what’s happening around us because everything is light and we could sense light. We know what things look like and what’s happening around us even with our eyes closed because we could sense their light presence.
maybe sky kids just open their eyes when we’re not looking
Haha
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand another thing sorry.
Things turn yellow when we light it with out candle(our heart). What happens when we give our winged light(I guess part of our soul) to the stone children? There is a blueish-purplish flame. Our heart is what keeps us alive. Our souls make up who we are as an individual. So when we give part of our soul, they become a part of us.
Our hearts make things yellow. Our souls make things blue.
I dunno (;-;).
when you gain light your cape light is yellow; when you lose it (flapping or losing it to rain or muck) the light is blue.
a contradictory statement: when you ||give winged light to the kids in Eden||, they have a bright blue flame. However, when a dragon hits you, a bright orange flame appears as the light gets forcibly knocked out of you.
Hmmmmmm....
Hmm
Here
The elders died.
Because of.
Lemme start with the daylight prairie elder.
He died because of the light he had used to create butterflies and yeah.
As he grew older I guess his light was fading, thus rendering him to unconsciousness and well death too.
Ok but the elders were elders from the beginning of time, so they don’t grow older.
Well, they were already old-
But they don’t grOw
Yeah and they explode making more stars
I dont really think Valley Elder r old
Yes
But their cutscenes are beyond time and location
They don’t havE an aGe
So do we
(Atleast they died- In a crude or peaceful way 😄
yEs
And lost their light-
They’re the stars in the intro cinematic
I f o r g o t a b o u t t h a t -
We’re a different species
So do the spirits
There’s a google doc in pinned that has all the confirmed lore
I think, they only appear in shrines to show the exact location of where you are going next If given enough light?
Also, I personally think of that the fact of the forest elder may have also fallen for the same loss of light.
Wow haha, so people were right about getting light from sky creatures
More of a subspecies but yeah interesting read...
ill leave this here, maybe some creative minds can make some interesting theories
Maybe the skykids initially where the child of darkness? They would’ve been without the light in their chest 
Funny I don’t remember that intro cine at all lol
i feel that Sky kids were made to strike a perfect balance of light and dark but idk
Skykids stole the light from krill and crabs, which distorted them. they attack to get the light back
Krill are corrupted manta (or similar creature) and crabs are corrupted jellyfish
No, I think the sky kids we play as are reborn children
So practically whomever saves that child, we become that child?
@quick jewel where’d u get that?
His theory
Ye I kinda agree on that theory, wouldnt make sense to live in limbo redoing the same thing 1000 times
Limbo?
i wouldn’t say it’s limbo, i guess
You’re given light so you can give to others, eventually giving it all up to save those who didn’t make it, you not only give your light but your life
but the Light Rewards you for your efforts, and you’re given life again so you can do it all over again.
I think stealing light is against the ethos of the game, it’s about giving and altruism
The dark creatures are a natural part of the world, but going off one of the daily messages, they take take take that light, extinguish it. A krill will shake every last star out of you it it could, crab will tackle you, spirits and light sources like fire and lanterns to extinguish it.
But it’s your job as a child of light to make way for the light
Soul = personality
Flame = energy/life force (you can survive without it). It's the manifestation of the light the kids absorb
Winged Light = capacity for light - it allows you to store light
Light = Life itself in the world of Sky
I think all the light related elements are imagined. The kids use it to make sense of the world.
The capes, for example
They have no shadow
So they must be manifested by the Child's imagination
Maybe imagination can become reality, to some extent, in Sky
This is why we are so uniquely suited to restore light
Capes can’t be seen bc they are pure light
And all of our cosmetics don’t have shadows actually
And I said this before but it makes sense that our cosmetics don’t have shadows because they are given by spirits, they can’t physically give you a mask, it’s light based
Also.....has anyone noticed the birds or butterflies getting sucked into one of the pipes

I guess you could say Journey has the exact same "story" since it's pretty much the same game but diffrent mechanics
There is a good story analysis, several actually about Journey that kinda make's sense
on youtube
I heard journey’s lore is a lot easier to understand than sky
Ye I guess maybe 🙂
I think alot of stuff in Sky are just design choices and not anything lore specific
Well the yt video i watched it seemed like a good story and the lore was kinda straight forward and had a decent amount of detail. Sky on the other hand....
Can we enter the pipes the birds are being sucked into?
There’s this really good book I’ve been reading that’s taken some of the lore in Sky and put it into greater detail—I would recommend 
Has anyone noticed that the ||guardians by the canon on the roof in office|| and the guardians at the first gate to wasteland look kinda the same? ( I would put pictures up but I don’t know how to spoiler a picture)
@hazy salmon the book looks promising
U don’t need to spoiler tag the office
.......I think
But yes I’ve noticed too and with good observation I noticed they are the same
There is no need for spoiler tags in here, but the office is not considered canon because it’s an Easter egg
that's just asset-borrowing, the office isn't usable for canon lore outside of the room's scaling and the info we can glean from the level posters
There used to be a canon in wasteland, so it’s possible its just the same model
IM LATE LIKE ALWAYS BUT YES I NOTICED THE PIPE IN EDEN
there’s less and less light as you go through the realms leading up to the final level,
For example, Vault has barely any free roaming light and little candles, all of its light powered mechanisms need you to come in and activate them.
While in prairie things are natural and you simply need to light a few candles, there’s also a surplus of
and whatever is considered “organic” in Sky.
this also brings back my questions abt Isle, because it does not have much other than ruined boats and pillars of rock, very desolate with hardly any sign of anyone actually living there.
It’s possible that whoever was in Eden and activated that large diamond, was harvesting light to do so, and that light came readily available from the birds and nearest temples.
(Like I said with Vault, Wasteland is also very devoid of light, for obvious reasons.)
It didn’t really look like they were being sucked in the pipe either, the birds are just flying up to the pipe as if they were accepting their fate
Nope they were going in
And at first I just thought they were birds going to orbit and I made a theory about the isle elder and it might be the butterflies that he led with his staff in the cutscene. And in some murals he is seen leading creatures up to eden
I couldn’t see where the pipe was going because it was out of bounds and it wasn’t worth going into a giant circle of krills, BUT most likely it leads to the huge power diamond
I don’t know what creatures they are
Just moving bright thingies going into the pipes
Would be awesome if I was able to bypass the wind walls and see where they are going 👀
He wouldn’t be able to mod the game to get a custom camera like he usually does
But regular glitching is fair game 👀
Oh we have many 👀
Like Alex
I have a picture of the vault cutscene mural! It does look like he’s guiding creatures
(I’m still working on the album but it should come soon
)
And I only know 1 barrier breaking glitch but it only makes you go up, I call it
THE ROCKET GLITCH
I know that one lmao
The one where it makes u shoot up super fast like a rocket?
Mhm
Wow
I thought me and my friend were the only ones
We found it by messing around with buttons
but shhhh this isnt lore~
I have them if you give me a bit- the spirit reliving ones can be found in pins
YEA BIGGEST QUESTION - I said this a while back is,,, who is the narrator like pls-
(That might also do better in #completed-sky-fanart-and-creations
so we dont clog this place)
(I posted a pic about the narrorator)
Found it
So are the spirits to blame? Since they didn’t listen?
It is the
spirit so probably
I actually don’t know, I never payed attention to the “no” spirits memory
I think its moreso the elders- the spirits just followed their leaders
Hmmm he might be leading them to it so I’ll jus edit my theory
As u can see in the pic I posted earlier, there were light creatures going into one of the pipes in eden, and if u look at the isle elder’s cutscene u can see him using his staff to lead the butterflies up to the mountain (which turned out to be eden)
And based on the mural found in one of the caves, you can see the isle elder leading creatures to the eden symbol
I couldn’t see where the pipe was going because it was oob, but THeoReTiCaLlY they are going to the power diamond and it is constantly giving it energy
Oh wow
Aight, I’m gonna head into eden oob to see where that pipe leads 
Though I wouldn’t be surprised if it just cuts off and doesn’t pick back up on a clear path due to not needing extra objects placed outside of the player’s view
Good luck.....there is a massive amount of krills around that pipe
Feel free to send a QR code if you want to join in on the short expedition
Sadly....my friend list is full
There’s no such thing as a full friends list in Sky, only a full favorited friends list
You mean more than 81 friends
Do u know how to break barriers or....what
And it is easy, eden has one of the easiest oob locations of them all 




