Just go through a bit of rocks and a dragons
#eden-spoilers
outer oyster
mellow hazel
Have you already lighted all the kids this week?
mellow hazel
If you have, might as well wait for the re set
restive dust
have you done eden this week
outer oyster
Yes I have
rocky walrus
Same
outer oyster
Should I re do it?
restive dust
how many candles did you get?
inner narwhal
@vestal thunder they don’t.
outer oyster
I got like 3.9
mellow hazel
Oh
restive dust
there’s a total of 15.75 you can get each week
mellow hazel
Then do it
outer oyster
Alright
restive dust
so if you didn’t get a lot go ahead
restive dust
good luck!
vapid epoch
If you able to find and light all 60 ish statues
mellow hazel
Hahaha
vapid epoch
I forgot the actual number
restive dust
63
outer oyster
What at the end you literally need to kill yourself to progress
vapid epoch
Thanks Granny Pigeon
rocky walrus
Does eden work in co-op too?
rocky walrus
Yeah well, bringing someone
restive dust
you give up your stars to rescue people, so i reckon it’s more than just that haha
vapid epoch
Ya you can bring your friends in
outer oyster
Time to solo eden woo
restive dust
I’ve done eden with people, usually more fun that way
vapid epoch
If you're the first to die, you get to hover over the ones still living lol
vapid epoch
And watch them struggle
rocky walrus
So wait is Eden like a raid? I’m taking context from Destiny 2
vapid epoch
Oh you haven’t been through it Magnus?
Best to experience it blind the first time
It's pretty enlightening
rocky walrus
I did it today
rocky walrus
It was: Terrifying, annoying but in the end beautiful
outer oyster
Time to wait for strangers
vapid epoch
I spent several hours getting lost the first time I soloed Eden lol
outer oyster
Close one
I almost died
Odd eden took me like 30 mins first try
Dragons are scary bastards though
vapid epoch
I kept getting lost trying to find detours
Only to end up falling in to many holes where the camera is in my face
vapid epoch
Just follow the route kids, don't try to act smart like me and get blown by the wind to god knows where lmao
outer oyster
Wind is evil
But hey this time.i only got hit by the dragon twice
Does that count as progress
Ok there we go I refinished eden while killing myself
Do I get the cape thingy now
vast lily
hello eden people i died
cursive mural
@outer oyster Changes to your cape don’t happen automatically. If you want wing buffs to increase cape power, you have to unlock them with ascended candles 
cursive mural
I’m not sure what you mean about changes to the cape and different buffs 
outer oyster
Oh ok then
cursive mural
I mean, could you explain?
outer oyster
I meant apparently someone was talking about wedges
cursive mural
Mmhmm
cursive mural
I may still not be following you 100%, but the wedges are the cape power meter. You get more when you get certain numbers of cape stars (star kids aka winged light, and wing buffs). But those aren’t like automatically added just by going through Eye of Eden a second time
cursive mural
They’re the hairstyles each of the constellation elders wear
restive dust
"thank you child i grant you the gift of being my mini me."
noble pine
"now get out there and pretend to be me so i can finally take a nap"
gray geode
@outer oyster are you asking about how to get different colours/designs of cape?
I get the feeling there’s some miscommunication if that’s the case.
outer oyster
No no I was wondering about something else
I'm just new to this game
Sorry for wasting time
gray geode
Ok, I’m trying to work out if you’re understanding, based on comments and questions you’ve asked here and in another channel. 🙂
outer oyster
No no I'm understanding now
I thought you could get other designs by being extra friends with other spirits using ascending candles
Guess not
gray geode
No, but you do get that little bit of extra wing power after every visit to Eden if you buy the wing buffs from the spirits. Awesome! Wasn’t sure if we were misunderstanding what you meant, that’s all’ 🙂
outer oyster
No no that's ok I'm learning now
All I just want is chibi and harp atm
Nothing else interests me
gray geode
Fab! Ah yes, both excellent choices!
gray geode
Table is a good one to think about too. There will come a day when you really want/need to tell someone something and the frustration of trying to work out how to communicate what you need to with the emotes available just isn’t gonna cut it!?
Yeah this is a game that will eat hours/days/months of your life. All good though. 🙂
gray geode
Enjoy yourself!
humble escarp
If there were 120ish emotes, that's plenty to have a decent language only using the emotes and following a precise grammar
cursive mural
If there were 120 emotes it would be insanely difficult to scroll through them all 
humble escarp
mi tawa e ma kasi suli. sina tawa ala tawa?
me go to big-plant-place. you go/no go?
restive dust
if there was an emote that depicted a place? idk
humble escarp
it'd be neat to have an emote to use to describe places
outer oyster
You can show a ttrr
humble escarp
shiver - valley
scared - wasteland
outer oyster
You can show a pyramidal globus
You could show a dragon
And you could show a light manta ray
Perfectly describes each location
humble escarp
raised candle - prairie
outer oyster
Ye
humble escarp
shiver for valley since it has ice and snow
outer oyster
I mean ye
humble escarp
nothing really fits forest
humble escarp
maybe a sad emote that has a raincloud following it
restive dust
jellyfish
sleek vigil
i usually go with emotes from the places you get them if i really need to be specific
humble escarp
what's that one with the hands raised
sleek vigil
idk if id want pets, but some emotes that let you interact with more wildlife like the butterfly catcher emote would be cool, like having a pose that lets a bird land on your arm or something
restive dust
i want to pet oreo
sleek vigil
let! us! pet! oreo!
humble escarp
what about being able to send a friend a note if they're not online?
hollow raptor
I thought it was one of the whales
Then I got a good look at it one eden run and that is definitely NOT a whale
outer oyster
Yea it's a big scary dragon
I mean eden isn't that difficult
The path is laid out for ya
cursive mural
@hollow raptor The creature that looks like a giant fishwhale thing? Yeah, there’s not a lot of clear connections in the plot
But there’s a quest that refers to its bones
hollow raptor
Maybe it’s a krill before they were corrupted? Even though they look nothing like each other
cursive mural
And I’m assuming the skeletons we see in the krill swamps/Boneyard are from one of them
hollow raptor
Maybe it’s the bones that get corrupted
outer oyster
I think it's a crayfish
hollow raptor
When those creatures die, their bones are corrupted and they turn into the krill
Which would explain the bone like structures of the krill and why they look nothing like that giant creature
outer oyster
It's unfortunate that there isn't that much to explore kind of in this game
cursive mural
But the giant creature seems like its good
Not sure how its bones would become corrupted in darkness
hollow raptor
Well it must be something
Probably the same thing that caused the downfall of the Ancestors
cursive mural
I’m keeping my fingers crossed that there will be updates at some point that will incorporate that creature more into the story, because it’s kinda vague either way
hollow raptor
In the season ||theres an emote for the little big things|| now why would one of our ancestors have an emote of a ||corrupted creature..?||
cursive mural
Hmmmm
hollow raptor
Unless they weren’t all initially dark creatures
hollow raptor
I’m certain that the reason why there are dark creatures in the first place is also linked to why our Ancestors fell from the heavens
outer oyster
There isn't an infinite supply
hollow raptor
There’s some external force out there
cursive mural
Kind of, @outer oyster—spells are also available in seasonal constellations when there’s a season going on
Yeah, TonTon
outer oyster
Well yes but you can only activate them around 30 times before they become obsolete forever
And seasons cost money soo..
vapid epoch
That’s why cape power is important
Game would be easy if everyone has unlimited anti gravity and fast recharge spells
outer oyster
It's arleady kind of easy but yea I can see why
hollow raptor
If you think about it the darkness strips you down to your most basic of forms, so if it presumably does that to all creatures, then perhaps the Krill are the most basic form of that giant creature. In other words, literally their bones.
vapid epoch
And things like fireworks spell, you buy the fireworks staff for.
hollow raptor
For some reason we turn into statues though and don’t become crazy corrupted humanoid monsters
cursive mural
@hollow raptor But that seems to imply that darkness is our “true” form in some way
chrome plank
:0
cursive mural
Which doesn’t fit with the other bits of story. Like, we started as beings amongst the stars, and then something happened and we fell
vapid epoch
Yup there is a fireworks staff
outer oyster
This game is heaven please tell me how to get it
hollow raptor
Hmmm
cursive mural
@hollow raptor And dark creatures and dark plants have also been referred to as corrupted or corruption
vapid epoch
In place of the musical instrument
hollow raptor
@cursive mural that could mean that they themselves are the corruption or that they are corrupted
vapid epoch
Salute - 20 hearts
hollow raptor
I don’t think that the darkness stripping you down means that your most basic form is darkness, it just means that it’s nothing
vapid epoch
Yup, many of the 2nd tier items are 10 hearts above
Which is why the game promote socialising
pastel current
Hello
cursive mural
@hollow raptor in other words, that we are nothing without Light?
hollow raptor
@cursive mural it would seem so
noble shale
Deep
cursive mural
So then giant fishwhale dude is inherently nothing, but either becomes somehow corrupted by a krill into a krill, or we somehow ascend it by sharing our light?
humble escarp
spell shop - trade in unwanted spells for random spells
hollow raptor
When we’re stripped down it takes away all aspects of our personality, but then what if the darkness inputs its own personality per say, into the formless being? And that’s why the krill and the crabs still have some form left, a dark corrupted form
pastel current
I have a Question: can you trade ascended candles?
cursive mural
(Conversations about spells aren’t spoilers related to Eden, great topic to discuss in #general-sky-discussion though!)
@hollow raptor that sounds legit
hollow raptor
@cursive mural no im saying giant fish whale dude is it’s own being, but that when it’s stripped to its most basic form, a skeleton, and given form by the darkness it turns into a krill
cursive mural
And so that krill are the corrupted form of giant fishwhale’s skeleton
Ack, sorry @pastel current I missed your question amidst the discussion!
hollow raptor
Something like that, I’m sure it’s a lot more intricate
cursive mural
@hollow raptor But then I wonder about the giant manta in the second to last level of Vault
pastel current
No problem @cursive mural
cursive mural
Because that reminds me a lot more of the krill - all those appendages that could easily be turned into all those krill legs
(@pastel current no, ascended candles can’t be traded)
hollow raptor
Hmmm
cursive mural
And giant fishwhale doesn’t seem to otherwise share any similarities with the krill
hollow raptor
What’s the correlation between the timeline of past events to the order in which we go through the worlds?
vapid epoch
The wiki thinks the giant manta is a cosmic whale
hollow raptor
for instance, is the first world we go through, the most recent event or the oldest event
cursive mural
@hollow raptor I don’t think there’s been anything official about that
hollow raptor
If it’s first thing, then that would mean those bones are relatively new to the vault
cursive mural
But personally I think starting from Prairie we do see some of how the civilization grew, developed, and fell
hollow raptor
So they haven’t had time to be corrupted
vapid epoch
I mean....we go through portals, for all we know we might be going through time too
hollow raptor
Yet the world before the vault is full of corrupted krill and crabs
cursive mural
Wasteland would reflect where the civilization fell
vapid epoch
What would vault be then?
cursive mural
And Vault could be the moment where the people of that society reflected and realized where and how they screwed up, and tried to convey some of those hard-learned lessons to the future
vapid epoch
Does anyone remember what the cutscene when you first boot up the game says? Maybe there are clues there?
hollow raptor
That would make sense seeing as how it’s called the Vault of Knowledge
cursive mural
I can find the text to copy-paste, Zeals, just a second
This was the text as of July 21
But darkness came, and the stars fell...
Together, the fallen stars made a new home in the clouds.
If only they had listened...
A long time has passed. Now, I call to you.
Wake up, child. Bring our lost stars home.```Alright hear me out, if this civilization started in the stars and in the sky, then the first event in chronological order would be Vault. Then the corruption came and they went to war, wasteland, they won and they celebrated their victories with games, Valley, but they lost their home and many of their people. That’s why it went from space in the Vault to Mountains and clouds in Valley. They started dying out eventually and moved further down to beneath the trees and then the Isle of Dawn.
vapid epoch
Sounds possible....
hollow raptor
The only problem is that wasteland’s landscape seems very familiar to Isle of Dawn’s
And doesn’t seem to be them slowly moving down from the heavens
vapid epoch
Your timeline would actually match with the intro text
cursive mural
Hm, six lines in the intro, and six levels in the game before Eden
vapid epoch
Darkness came, then they made a new home in the clouds
hollow raptor
The stars United would explain why all of the Elders appear as one in the final cutscene
cursive mural
I think it could work. By the last line, we’re waking up on the shores of Isle of Dawn
hollow raptor
Now here’s another question
Why is the elder of the Isle of Dawn the only one who recognizably old?
Well if it’s true that they started to all die out, then that would mean he outlived all of the other elders, by miles.
vapid epoch
🤔
cursive mural
Yep, another element that could go either way!
hollow raptor
But then there’s another big problem
If they supposedly won the war and began celebrating then why were they dying out? And why are there still Krill left over?
cursive mural
They made a new home amongst the clouds, but didn’t listen to....something
vapid epoch
.....evil plants?
hollow raptor
Unless these gates are only memories
vapid epoch
The only time we never see those plants is in vault and valley
Maybe an infestation, or disease
hollow raptor
Have you noticed that the only place in the game that doesn’t have any corruption or a desecrate landscape is the Home island? And then at the End of Eden we are reborn
We start over
cursive mural
In the Forest Elder cutscene, we see the elder grabbing the light out of our hands and using it to power machines. The light isn’t being shared with others, it’s being turned into a tool
hollow raptor
They’re literally telling us to start over
cursive mural
So perhaps that division still lingered, and couldn’t ultimately save the people
vapid epoch
Ohhhhh now we're getting somewhere Nagato
cursive mural
She seems to barely pay attention to the person in front of her 
hollow raptor
Perhaps it was showing that she thought she found a solution to their problem
When we gave her the light
cursive mural
Yep
restive dust
ahh hmmm
cursive mural
And then we come along, trying to undo that time line, going back into the past to try to restore things
vapid epoch
We need Matpat please
hollow raptor
This game unfortunately isn’t mainstream enough :/
cursive mural
Get your friends to play, spread the light one player at a time til it is 
hollow raptor
I don’t think the gates may be to change the timeline but it definitely is a possibility
In my perspective it’s just so that we can retrieve our Ancestors’ remains and lay them to rest among the stars.
Like spreading a loved one’s ashes per say
So then why go through so many rebirths when you’ve already laid them all to rest?
cursive mural
Yeah, although then that gets into the question of whose remains we’re picking up from where. Like, their spirits are separated from their bodies that became statues, people that died in that room in Eye of Eden trying to do something
There are the emote spirits who we find and I suppose save, but the star kids seem to be different
hollow raptor
The star kids may be, kids
Us
They don’t have any emotes to give
Much like how we don’t start with any emotes
And must be taught by the older and bigger spirits
cursive mural
So then are we originally from this civilization, or somewhere else? And if it’s somewhere else, why are so many of us lost or dead in this world?
Learning how to express ourselves and relate to other people through what we learn from the elder/emote spirits
hollow raptor
We may be the last remnants of the civilization
cursive mural
(I gotta run, sadly—this was a fun conversation 
)
hollow raptor
Or, what if the Forest wasn’t trying to find a way to save them
She was making us?
cursive mural
(Keep posting and I’ll backread later!)
hollow raptor
From the stars
That might be a little too far fetched
The Forest elder is a smith, a craftsman, inventor
She was finding a way to preserve their culture and their memories not to save them, perhaps because whatever afflicted them couldn’t be reversed
So she started with smaller inventions to create life
Like the Pots in Prairie and the Isle Elder’s staff
Then when she finally figured it out, she passed it on to the Isle Elder, to watch over it until it could complete us
That’s could explain why the Elder had such a will to outlive his comrades for so long
Until we were completed, he refused to die
And his last tasks were to build the portals containing all of their memories
That could explain the last line “wake up child”
We weren’t fully animated yet
noble shale
That's a lot of depth
round stirrup
So this might stir up differing opinions, but what’s better when you’re being hit by rocks, spam calling or running/jumping? I find myself slow when I call but maybe it’s better to jump and get to each statue quickly.
undone dragon
@round stirrup lately during my eden runs i’ve been using this method: running from status to statue but as you go, continuously deep call so your character does that little jumping and twirling animation
round stirrup
How exactly do you continuously deep call? I know it’s holding down, but I see some people able to spam it.
undone dragon
benefits are that 1) you still get hit but knocked down less and it’s easier to keep moving, 2) you rejuvenate your friends’ light if you’re next or close to them
mm well, if you have two handed mode controls, just keep moving with the left side and keep long pressing on your character, it’s slower than normal running because your character has their legs bent as they run? but i feel like it has more benefits than disadvantages
round stirrup
Hmm. I’ll definitely try your method. It seems like everyone’s found their own ways of doing it!
undone dragon
try it out after reset today! it takes practice? kinda? because sometimes if you press your character before moving they just stay put and do the thing, but it’s pretty easy. you can find your own style too, but just some pointers :) @round stirrup
outer oyster
What if we were created as like the elders’ last resort to halt the darkness that they couldn’t stop @hollow raptor, @cursive mural? Like we could burn the dark plants the spirits couldn’t seem to stop like shown in the crying spirit’s memory
outer oyster
Yeah but perhaps the spirits didn’t have the ability to burn them away
cursive mural
But if that was the case, why? They had lanterns and candle altars, so the had the means to create and spread light.
undone dragon
maybe they used it up creating us :’
cursive mural
That would be very Eden-like! Their last gasp used on behalf of others
gilded canyon
I think imma do eden tonight
noble shale
Just did eden. Still sobering and brutal lol
cursive mural
It’s an amazing level 
noble shale
Nothing like watching your friend get pummelled mercilessly..
While being smacked around oneself!
outer oyster
Somehow when I died there was a blue spark following me in the following cutscene...I never figured out what it was
noble shale
It is. One of the children in this case
outer oyster
Maybe we’re like...maybe we’re the things the forest ancestor was trying to work on in her cutscene
She’s trying to create us
...Wait I think this was already mentioned...
cursive mural
There’s no harm in exploring a discussion thread on plot and theory a little farther
noble shale
Agree
outer oyster
Yeah I feel like the lore has so much to expand on...
noble shale
Reminds of myst where they did books to make a back story up
soft pewter
hey guys i have a question
someone's spirit was still following me here, is that normal or a bug?
noble pine
looks like a bug
hushed trout
probably a bug
cursive mural
But a cool bug! 
soft pewter
haha i thought so. thank you guys, i'll report it when i get the chance!
cursive mural
Unless that means you can’t get into Orbit together. Which is probably the case.
😢
soft pewter
awww
cursive mural
Fingers crossed for you and your hiking buddy
soft pewter
haha
warm mango
That’s happened to me loads of times. Usually you can tell who’s spirit it is by having the people you went into Eden with honk a few times. The blue light will honk simultaneously with your friend.
outer oyster
I do have enough wing buffs that I could technically just go right back into Eden as soon as I’m reborn...
soft pewter
nice! and it was a random person
i was with a friend and a person we'd server merged with
oak ginkgo
@outer oyster same :)
sudden remnant
Hope and dreams are easily crushed by words or actions. Perhaps you fight them by yourself, thinking you’re strong enough to pull yourself up. Now, that may be true, but even so, there’s always a better way to get back up.
That way is being helped up by people who still hold their hopes and dreams. And once you’re back on your feet, keep walking up the hill of challenges, because the ultimate prize awaits you at the top. What is that prize?
That prize at the peek of the mountain that you have worked hard to climb, is the honor to help and pull up someone else who was just like you: lost and crushed. That is always the ultimate prize and is worth the climb it takes to get it. All that’s left is to choose whether you’ll help that person or not.
gilded canyon
I only got 7 ascended candles
Atleast I got closer to the chibi mask and dark blue cape
fringe saddle
Guys, after the reborn, the wax from the game is reset? I mean it can be collected again?
fringe saddle
The red spheres
To make candles
Its called wax, I saw that on the wiki
Dont know if its right though
gray geode
@fringe saddle no that resets every day. If you’ve collected it today, you can’t collect it again until tomorrow.
gray geode
The candle wax? No, not at all.
It resets every day whether you are new or old or reborn or never been through Eden.
It’s the glowing children (winged lights) that return to their places in the worlds after Eden so you have to go around and collect them all again.
humble escarp
how am I seeing people in the secret area w/o blue capes?
rich egret
Because you can take ppl there
humble escarp
or they used the more difficult method I found of getting there
rich egret
I doubt that
humble escarp
the npc kinda seems like more of a jerk though... could just be bad grammar
outer oyster
Oh looks like you're still awake after 8 hours
How ya doin
Yeah but she’s kinda cute...I kinda wonder if she’s modeled after someone IRL
humble escarp
hey wanna know how I got this cape?
I'm not going to tell you
outer oyster
Lmao
humble escarp
I feel it's missing a comma
oak ginkgo
@humble escarp what cpae 👀
gilded canyon
wait there is a blue cape only section
oak ginkgo
where owo
gilded canyon
c a p e i s t
humble escarp
to quote: "I will never tell you to check out the shop by tapping....blah blah blah..."
and then it evil laughs
rich egret
This isn’t eden related heathr
gilded canyon
I wanna see it
humble escarp
does it go in #seasonal ?
rich egret
No just general chat
outer oyster
Try #beta-discussion...?
rich egret
But put spoiler tags
outer oyster
Since this is beta stuff
humble escarp
but its in live
rich egret
This is eden spoilers
outer oyster
Wait what secret area are we talking about I’m confused
rich egret
The Easter egg just added to the game
elfin egret
ooh
outer oyster
Cause I’m thinking of the beta secret area - wait what
humble escarp
yes that
outer oyster
Hang on hopping to general
rich egret
Live version of the game just had an update
humble escarp
too many spoilery stuff, we might need to just maybe have a #general-spoilers instead of just eden-spoilers or beta-spoilers
rich egret
We don’t need a separate channel for that
The entire beta category already has a spoiler warning
Just use spoiler tags
versed tree
I’m ready to die just to get a piaNo
humble escarp
Shhhh
winter relic
Yeeeeah I think my ipad is going to explode
past crystal
not jumping in the last bit really makes a huge difference. wow!
14 and 1/3 a-candle! i don't think i'll be going in again this week
oak ginkgo
Agreed, running normally works pretty well!
tepid oasis
First time going through Eden with someone, including a friend!
past crystal
Ayy! Today's the first time I did eden with someone too! bumped into that person during the krill area then just went and did the rest helping each other
outer oyster
Hey guys i want to do eden, but im sure im missing a couple winged lights can anyone help me
indigo ibex
I could help in a bit
chrome plank
:0
shell light
its kinda nice to see the seasonal spirits in the part where you're flying in space with all the spirits
mossy igloo
pal time
weak eagle
Whoaaa how’s you find another person there?
mossy igloo
They either have to be your friend or somehow manage to be in the same server as your’s :^)
rancid stirrup
It took many attempts but I finally landed.
raven patio
Holy cow that is cool
outer oyster
One of my best Eden runs , I got 12 candles
Aaand finally I’ve unlocked all spirits!! I go!!!
hollow raptor
Remember how I said, that they lost a lot of their people after the war in Golden Wastland? Well the halls of Valley are littered with Gravestones 👀
rare hollow
Yeah... now what? Cannot click anything
hasty kiln
next lynx
C u b e
hasty kiln
onyx wolf
Grandma!
carmine marlin
hasty kiln
This krill was inside the dome building
sleek vigil
i finally ascended all the spirits so i can start going to eden just whenever i feel like it or run out of ascended candles ;w; feels good
runic drift
👏🏻
simple pine
i go with at least one other person and one person goes ahead and lights a lantern, then the other one follows and you use that as a “home base” and get all the statues around it until you’re ready to move onto the next lantern 👀
sleek vigil
hm,, honestly i found i started gathering the most candles from eden once i had a physical map i could follow? that way i knew i was picking up as many as i could along the way. also make sure to light every lantern you pass, it helps you know where youve been already. if you bring a friend/are with others, dont forget that a deep call restores energy to the people youre near, its really helpful for when people have been knocked down and need an energy boost to get to a safe spot @fringe saddle
most of my best eden candle runs have been with people ive met on the way who are all working together to keep each other going, it really is an exercise in teamwork
next lynx
wait deep calls restore energy?
vague coral
I did Eden with 3 irl friends yesterday and most of us did the best we’ve ever done. I got 14 candles! And kids always look so cute without their capes
I was in this position when the spirits I saved were trying to thank me though... 🤔
cursive mural
@rare hollow a friend got that bug yesterday :( Once you restart it’s fine, but it messes you up if you had been going with friends
fringe saddle
Hey guys, about hearts. The Black Cape needs 50 Hearts to get! Is it mainly with candles? (Giving/Receiving for/from friends)
Thanks
rich egret
Yes you have to receive hearts from friends
fringe saddle
It'll take a little long then to get that cape..
broken delta
yes, but now you also get heart fragments from every friend who lights you in their constellation
rich egret
It’s supposed to take a while
fringe saddle
true @broken delta . Its very little but it'll help 😄
It'll require 25 to 50 days to get the Cape, presuming that the player have 20 friends and 5%-10% of them gives 1 heart daily (The percentage is definitely from favorite friends that you made on your Journey, Real Life Friends or ???)
But, while I'm thinking, this is not too much time at all though. The best gift is the friends that we made and the things we learn
You're right @rich egret
outer oyster
Thx Vor 😸
fringe saddle
The car is making the Call as well?
outer oyster
Nah there is a friend inside
fringe saddle
Oh haha
humble escarp
there's a hole in eden
cursive mural
@pastel current What do you mean by two stages of Eden? There’s the part on the mountain, and then the part after you are overcome by darkness is called Ascent or Orbit
soft pewter
SKWA: Sky kids with attitude
outer oyster
And then there’s part with the ice cream
hollow creek
It's krill flake flavoured
humble escarp
its leads to a "challenge mode" type of "get-to-the-top-of-the-mountain" game
pastel current
@cursive mural oh ok
outer oyster
This sh- happened today
rich egret
Congrats! You found the secret ending!
outer oyster
@rich egret this is irony isn’t it? 😧
rich egret
Yeah I’m joking lol
outer oyster
Daaaang hahaha I wasn’t sure
humble escarp
I'm not though... There's really a hole in the mountain
outer oyster
@humble escarp did you screenshot it? Or try to go through? Tell me more 😮
humble escarp
you know the previous hole?
outer oyster
No
humble escarp
in the room with the big door (that lights up with two lamps. It's on the left side. Jump and hop around a little
oak torrent
Just go there and send proof..?
humble escarp
Ok
near forum
The secret ending of eden which is the game yeeting you through the floor; it fades to black and the text YOU DIED appears
humble escarp
vocal garden
@near forum very bloodborne xD
humble escarp
A peaceful krill.... what should we call it
vocal garden
Chill krill
hollow raptor
@cursive mural so turns out Forest Elder didn’t build us
She built the vault’s memories
The little diamond thingies
Also I don’t think the worlds are in chronological order of the timeline at all
They’re all events of the past from different points
humble escarp
I'm thinking something similar too
Ton
noble pine
how are you getting this information if you dont mind me asking. im curious
gilded canyon
I don’t understand why aren’t these people joining me
humble escarp
That's what the elders get when messing with black holes
noble pine
ah
hollow raptor
Although now that I’ve seen the Forest elder building part of the Vault I now have zero confidence in my previous timeline
So theory one just went out the window
humble escarp
two competiting groups.. trying to tap into a brand new source of energy....
their competitiveness drove them to take more and more risks
and one day... they create a BLACK HOLE... world ending catastrophe
humble escarp
black holes are just massive amounts of light and material condensed into a small space
like that rip in space/time that we try to get to inside of eden
I think its some kind of black hole/white hole energy
humble escarp
yes.... but imagine the sun, but its the size of a quarter
humble escarp
or made through other means
hollow raptor
Well at least now we know the Vault comes after the events of Forest
The vault piles together the memories of all the kingdoms
Hmm
humble escarp
hollow raptor
Should probably go back and look at the wall murals...
humble escarp
Kugelblitz
hollow raptor
I just don’t have enough information to go on
The reason for the Vault and the Forest elder would be because of the darkness
So Wasteland happens before/right before and or during the events of Forest...
humble escarp
I sometimes think the first krill area in Wasteland is the Forest temple ... but at a different time
hollow raptor
Which causes the Forest elder to get lost in her work and become cold
The Isle elder leads his people in boats in large voyages...
Was he the one who united the kingdoms?
The Prairie elder finds a way to store light in the form of light creatures
pastel current
@tulip creek a black hole is not a star that exploded, it’s a star that collapsed under it’s own gravity
hollow raptor
So then where do the valley twins fit into all of this...
pallid solstice
whats the command for the eden reset info?
hollow raptor
It resets at 12am pacific time every Sunday @pallid solstice
tulip creek
how do you defeat the eye of eden
hollow raptor
The isle elder unites the kingdoms in his voyages, and they have an era of prosperity which is what Prairie signifies, then darkness comes and they fight it which is what wasteland is, while at the same time the Forest elder finds a way to preserve their legacy via the vault. They lost the war and have to move down into the clouds, but don’t learn from their mistakes which is why they’re celebrating, even though they’ve lost so much. So then they just ignore everything around them and slowly die out?
@tulip creek you’re not meant to defeat it
tulip creek
w a i t w h a t
so are you supposed to just give all of your winged light to the souls then you do the whole space thing n die?
hollow raptor
@tulip creek there’s no surviving Eden
@tulip creek you have to save as many as you can before you succumb to the storm
tulip creek
what does it do in the end
hollow raptor
You get ascended candles
tulip creek
o
hollow raptor
Use them to ascend the spirits you’ve saved before and they’ll give you additional winged light to start with in your next life
tulip creek
then im guessing you have to re-start and get winged light again?
oh
okay makes sense
im almost done with saving them
i think i have 3 more left
hollow raptor
Is this your first time through Eden?
hollow raptor
Are you in the water or the sand yet
tulip creek
im in the water rn
hollow raptor
There’s many many many more
The last three are in the sand
It takes a lot to reach them
tulip creek
aight
i mean, i know there are 3 that were on sand next to eachother, and across from that i saw 2 in the water
its gonna be hard to reach with the asteroids tho
hollow raptor
If you constantly call on yourself it reduces knockdown a lot
The down side is you can’t skip
But if you skip, you’re more likely to get knocked down
tulip creek
ah okay
hollow raptor
Good luck
tulip creek
yep i see the 2 i need now
OH DAMN
NVM
i see the water part
whoooooooooooooooo thats gonna be hard
aaaaaaaaaaaand i died
cerulean island
hey guys we’re any of you able to get wax from flying by the spirits since this update?
humble escarp
I’m like pretty sure that’s the same krill that goes across the door when you open it
right @cursive mural
cursive mural
Looks like they’ve moved her sometime recently, but if that’s the one by the door, yep!
humble escarp
yep that's the one by the door... this is from today
finite sentinel
humble escarp
near forum
Every week I get frustrated in the dumb constant storm area. It's like the weekly moment of "alright lets see how many times we get knocked down repeatedly while walking in the storm it sure is fun"
TGC storm: knocks down player
Player: gets up
TGC storm: another
Player:
summer temple
Mood
outer oyster
has eden reset yet?
oak ginkgo
@outer oyster it reset 17 hours ago.
plucky stream
Saturday night midnight UTC+7
sullen quail
Fun finally running Eden with you @brisk spade
dusky halo
what is “Eden reset”? sorry I’m still learning all the terms haha
sullen quail
It’s when the statues of fallen skykids reset so you can run through and get them again
dusky halo
Oh! Ok, thank you!
sullen quail
Midnight
Every Saturday/Sunday at midnight. You can get a max of I think 15.75 ascended candles per week
vocal garden
Good to know, thanks for the info!
humble escarp
BORED... I would hella like to try and ride a krill, but rn it just feels like too much effort
next lynx
itd be cool if you could ride them and the krill wont even notice
humble escarp
the krill Im using, you just pass right through them
tulip creek
aaaah i wish that you could have pets, and there could be a pet krill
humble escarp
so I figured... I could put a table underneath it, and then stand on the table
tulip creek
you would still lose a wing 
tulip creek
how the fricc is that possible
humble escarp
tulip creek
how what when and where
humble escarp
you probably recognize the room in your travels of eden
tulip creek
yep
humble escarp
you light the candles and see a krill go across the sky very nearby
this is that krill.... I think the door opening triggers some of their code.... and otherwise they just side idly by
according to other people... its name is Kitty
humble escarp
careful... you say how you fall down and it resets your location?
humble escarp
the second time I did it, it set me at the bottom of the mountain and the door wasn't open
tulip creek
probs you got teleported to a diff server
humble escarp
@tulip creek not really, valley, wasteland do it too
if you fall past a certain point it resets you.
tulip creek
oh
humble escarp
(although one time I got up to the pipe by the last krill, and then fell down and it reset me in the tunnel at the top)
tulip creek
lmaoooooooooo
humble escarp
so I flew up almost to the tunnel, go pushed off the edge of the world and wound up at the tunnel
tulip creek
how does that work lmao
humble escarp
lots of wing wedges, luck, and a little bit of flying experience
like if you flew to the top of the wasteland, and you wanted to fly above the clouds, you just keep pushing, flying and aiming higher and higher
hollow raptor
So the Isle elder did unite the kingdoms?
What I’m getting from this is they went on a voyage into space giving light
Because of the clouds
But the clouds mean that they went off planet...
So all the kingdoms are on different planets.....???
That’s why their cultures are so different....
But then they united to defeat the darkness?
hollow raptor
Yeah they’re each kingdoms of whatever race the spirits are
icy forge
the vault cutscene makes me think that the vault elder's the leader ish pal though
hollow raptor
According to the prologue dialogue at least
Maybe the Isle elder was just being kind
There on a voyage
With the light of a billion stars
Looking to share and looking for care
And so united for cause
And then they fell
All memories in a well
For us to find what was their demise
Not gonna lie the more I look into this the more depressed I get 😂
scarlet scaffold
i mean the spirits did fall out if the constellations
and we learn emotes based on their experiences on their realms
ex. the cry emote which always makes me sad
mystic trail
the story of the cry emote...
scarlet scaffold
you know how the cry spirit buried their friends? and we ge the cry emote
i wonder what those friends were
were they also from other constellations? is that why there are missing spirits in some constellations?
im thinking too deep into this
icy forge
i think the missing spots will be added in eventually?
icy forge
aaaaa my take on the story is that the sky kids were made by something in eden to help the stars and spirits move on up there?
like the kids are very separate entities from the spirits that can only learn emotions but don't inherently have them hence only being able to get emotes from the spirits?
tired stream
oooh i like that, them learning emotions
scarlet scaffold
yeah thats what i thought too. they learn emotes from the spirits
like we started off as pretty much nothing. a goal; to ||return the stars to the statues in eden||. but like as we go along the way, our star kids learns emotion and makes friends along the way
shell light
some people in questions and help talked about tables and it reminded me of this one time i met someone in eden who used a table to bridge the one gap we have to jump across where there is a strong gust blowing us back
what a hero
hollow raptor
If we were artificially created by the spirits and were a success....
Are all 69 winged light the failed experiments...?
69 dead children, the 70th there to redeem them and save the spirits
Remember the winged light don’t have emotes either
And they have our figure
shell light
thats.. really sad
hollow raptor
But man...
hollow raptor
The ancestors really messed up huh
We sacrifice our entire lives in an endless cycle into and out of Eden to save those who could not face their own mistakes
hollow raptor
And who continued to make mistakes even after such calamity
stone summit
I got surrounded by the red spew
hollow raptor
Why is there so much pixelation there?
stone summit
It’s been doing that to all my pictures
humble escarp
@hollow raptor I think you would like a game I think TGC also helped with
called Outer Wilds
humble escarp
it's like Journey / Sky, but in space!
hollow raptor
Or is it bugging, to where it just won’t stop?
stone summit
Been here for like 10 minutes trying to wait it out
hollow raptor
Try going home and coming back?
That might set you back a bit though, but it’s better than being stuck there forever
stone summit
Thank you
narrow garden
Are you sure you haven't reached zone 2? The rock rain is continuous from that point on
next lynx
Is here a good place for lore related stuff cause I saw talk about it here and I have a question
shell light
i guess here is as good a place as any? if it includes eden related lore
next lynx
It’s really not eden related tho, but I can’t really find a good chat for it
shell light
maybe just general sky discussion?
cursive mural
General works, but here works too,
since the theme of rebirth is pretty hard to avoid in lore conversations
cursive mural
We've never had an answer on that one! Ripe for theorizing about
cursive mural
@next lynx But the crown the figure is wearing is pretty similar to the crown constellation we see in Home
next lynx
Maybe they’re the creator of the star kids? Going off of the sky kids being artificial
shell light
and all the tiny people below the big one
almost looks like theyre even worshiping the orb person
cursive mural
And then is the orb like a star? Something powerful? Something else?
next lynx
Also I think the structure they’re placed in front of is eden? Bc I saw a similar looking icon at the room before the Isle Elder
And I was like “oh that’s eden bc the one before it was the vault tower”
cursive mural
For sure
next lynx
Seems like it
Maybe like a “everyone worships the ruler as a deity” sort? Bc of the worshipping lookin ppl at the bottom
hollow raptor
It’s not like the other orbs in the other murals though 🤔
And the crown constellation
All of our favorite friends are on there
Are we an elder?
The heir to the throne?
next lynx
Maybe even... parts of one? Oh maybe the heir idea
hollow raptor
The last child of a forgotten empire
I don’t think that orb is light because all the other depictions of light have a outward line pattern coming out from them
That orb is just...blank...
next lynx
I was thinking maybe it’s an egg?
hollow raptor
Like us
pallid solstice
Wasnt planning to run eden twice in one day... but theres definitely not a single statue left in there ^^;
next lynx
....this is the plot of hollow knight
next lynx
I’ve connected the dots and the dots are bug shaped
pallid solstice
Eden reminds me of... a music video made for “Death is Not the End” by Nick Cave. Little candle wax babies dancing around a fire... if youve seen it its practically uncanny
hollow raptor
They knew they were gonna die....why build all this just for us...and then leave us alone...
next lynx
To give us a chance? Or maybe something nice to live in?
pallid solstice
https://youtu.be/wdSsYNirbvw amiright or amiright?
hollow raptor
Not a chance
Perhaps to start over
They made mistakes
Something went wrong
All those pipes around golden wasteland
TGC games all send a message of pollution
solar gorge
does anyone else have the theory that all the statues in last zone of eden are actually us who have died?
and that's why it resets like every week
cold heron
solar gorge
true, maybe not all of us who have died
next lynx
I never actually thought about the pipes
solar gorge
but like "us" as in sky kids
hollow raptor
Did they kill themselves? And preserved their legacy for us to learn from? They accepted their mistakes and then disappeared for long enough for the planet to recover. That’s why home doesn’t have any corruption or pipes or desecrated landscapes on it
That’s why it’s home again
solar gorge
an interesting theory
kinda noticed that the dark creatures/plants don't look like exactly from our world
what if pollution corrupted them etc and turned them dark
hollow raptor
That’s what I think the giant monster at the end of Eden is
next lynx
Maybe!
pallid solstice
The video i sent is pretty good just saying
hollow raptor
The darkness strips you down to your most basic form and then it corrupts you, the krill are essential the reanimated corrupted skeletons of that giant fish monster
pallid solstice
Learnig how to play the song in game 🙂
hollow raptor
For some reason, our race turns into stone instead of becoming hideous humanoid monsters
next lynx
I noticed that our faces are just stone masks
So maybe our base forms ARE stone and you can’t really corrupt stone without animating it
tired stream
hollow raptor
So that orb is stone...
tired stream
for theorizing!!
hollow raptor
Before they shaped it into us
tired stream
someone got super close to the big diamond in eden and discovered it was a broken crystal similar to what the forest elder forges
(sorry if this has been discussed, i just popped in)
next lynx
It’s aight!
tired stream
fringe saddle
Ooooh Cool!
solar gorge
is that the light we see at the end of eden?
tired stream
yes!
hollow raptor
The levitation mechanic?
solar gorge
oh snap kudos to the person who got close enough
tired stream
"After getting a closer look at the eye of the storm I finally realized it's a giant broken crystal like what the Elders used for light magic. Makes sense given that it spouts off red hail continuously and also because of the light-absorbing properties of the crystals littering Eden.
My theory is they were using it to capture light to power their stuff and it had a Chernobyl-level catastrophic meltdown that destroyed Eden and removed enough light to allow the Krill to encroach upon the Kingdom of Sky."
shell light
maybe the shiny thing in the middle of the sky kids are made of like the red crystals but not corrupted thats why they can absorb light but not just steal it from anything with light
hollow raptor
They became cold and industrialized the light instead of giving it to others
And it destroyed them
So they made the last generation in an attempt to start over and the vault to ensure we never repeat their mistakes
And then they died
And we woke up
fringe saddle
@tired stream by the shape its not "refined" like the crystal from the vault. I think It might come from the sky like the childrens because of his "unrefined" shape, but fell on a corruption place and got corrupt (?)
hollow raptor
The diamond in the vault is there to levitate the main platform
next lynx
Wait would that make the red rock rain just red crystals being hurled at the world at high speed? Would explain the glass shatter noises
tired stream
yeah its all jumbled
hollow raptor
So that giant one must’ve been what was holding their kingdom in the sky
tired stream
maybe was refined at some point? but has shattered due to the power its emitting?
tired stream
yeah i would LOVE to know what that giant person is in the eden drawing
from the vault cutscene
maybe its a representation of the darkness that consumed the light
hollow raptor
We discussed it before
tired stream
oooh
next lynx
Their crown kinda made them look like the pale king at first, at least to me
hollow raptor
It may be the last king
tired stream
ill have to backread haha
hollow raptor
Of Eden
He seems to be wearing the crown of Eden and being worshipped along with the orb
And in our constellations all of our favorite friends are in a crown shaped constellation, so it made me think that we were the elder of that constellation
That we’re the last heir to the throne
Going with the theme of giving hearts and candles
Maybe all those worshippers weren’t worshiping us at all
They gave us everything they had...hearts...wings...candles...just to create us
I’d imagine it takes a lot to create a child
round stirrup
This Sky lore is making me sad. 😦
hollow raptor
But see how the further up you go in the constellations the more hearts and candles you have to give for stuff?
Now imagine how much it would take to create a royal child let alone a white cape for 50 hearts
So they killed themselves making us?
next lynx
This is a lot to take in at once aa hold on
I’m thinking that maybe not everyone sacrificed themselves for the skykids, but whoever didn’t just got killed by the dark creatures
Would explain why spirits have hearts to sell you for candles
hollow raptor
Now I’m starting to think that the fall of Eden and the corruption are two different things
fringe saddle
I don't think they can be killed. It might weakened by the lack of light
Makes sense anyway @next lynx
hollow raptor
@next lynx I think some of them stayed behind to build everything
For us to see
The gates
fringe saddle
The corruption might surge naturally, like the shadow on the presence of a light
hollow raptor
The memories
@fringe saddle it may be a byproduct of their recklessness
Or perhaps when Eden fell it created a beacon for the corruption to invade
Either way we have no idea what exactly the nature of the corruption is
fringe saddle
Yeah
next lynx
We only know it just hates beings of light and might be weak to it too, judging by the crabs and plants
hollow raptor
One of the spirits in the seasonal has a crab call though
hollow raptor
Yes
Which means not only does it invade worlds
It literally corrupts life forms on those worlds
next lynx
Yea,,,
hollow raptor
Why would one of our ancestors have a call for a corrupted creature?
Unless it wasn’t initially a corrupted creature in the first place
next lynx
And corrupted life forms take on the properties of the corruption
hollow raptor
Isn’t it a little cruel to force an almost endless cycle of rebirth on the last generation of your species to fix the mistakes that you made though? Unless we’re doing this out of our own kindness
next lynx
Could be a mix of both
hollow raptor
Yeah
next lynx
Like they made a cruel choice and we’re all just “don’t worry we can fix this”
hollow raptor
“And by fix we mean we’re gonna leave you all with our memories, alone, to fix it for us :)”
Man
The ancestors were kinda buttheads
hollow raptor
Me too
round shadow
Anyone else getting stuck at the Eden message warning about continuing further?
When I try to proceed the only option is to go home
I can't get through Eden.
mighty light
Oof yeah that happened to me yesterday too
It did let me in after a few tries
Idk what happened
round shadow
I was trying to help someone through and I got separated from them. :(
It worked this time after I restarted it
round stirrup
Just keep trying it. It did it for me too.
past crystal
Ye it did for me too. It was hilarious cause I was trying to go in with someone and we see each other just bouncing back
Luckily we re-convened at the stone statues tho. Didn’t had the chance to add them as friend before that
weak eagle
Is like,, the vault the only portal door that doesn't represent,, a part of, like, living,,? There's Isle of Dawn, which represents birth, prairie, which is childhood, the forest, which represents teenager years, Valley of Triumph, which is adulthood, Golden Wasteland, which is midlife, and Eden, which is aginf n death n stuff. What's vault supposed to be??
mild gust
Wisdom of old age?
weak eagle
,,, m ay be ?? 'cause like,, I went to ||the office|| and there were these ||posters up which kind of confirmed the meaning of each of the portal things,,,|| but the only one that seemed to be left out was the Vault--??
cinder edge
I believe it’s been said that Vault is supposed to represent maturity and enlightenment
A lot of old concept art and story don’t include vault, so maybe that’s the case ||for that poster as well||
mild gust
Enlightenment makes a lot of sense
weak eagle
^
burnt fractal
I’d agree yeah
humble escarp
@hollow raptor like in "A wrinkle in time" ?
odd oyster
so i searched and have read the height is randomized when you are reborn? I have had my share of being reborn and have not changed height? is there some type of potion?
cinder edge
Yeah it’s confirmed your height can change when you’re reborn
There’s also a new randomize height spell in the newest update
odd oyster
is that height permanent until you get reborn again?
cinder edge
I think it’s permanent even after edens but that’s a personal assumption
The spell says it changes your height “permanently”
sleek vigil
yeah, the spell doesnt wear out. ive never noticed that my height changes much after eden anyway, so its possible that even after eden youll still be in the same ballpark as before, even if the spell isnt permanent after eden runs
odd oyster
oh ok. im kinda torn on using the spell if I have a safer chance of getting resized being reborn.
sleek vigil
eden is a lot more of a grab bag with height stuff, i think it tends to favour more average heights, while the spell has been producing more extreme results like really tall kids and really short kids
odd oyster
the really tall is the goal. I see now it is 50/50
sleek vigil
its not 50/50, but you probably wont get those kind of results from eden
odd oyster
oh I agree. what I want lies with the spell you mentioned.
sleek vigil
yeah ;w; i hope you get the height youre gunning for!
odd oyster
grand ferry
||you will know when you get to do the quest lol||
outer oyster
Wut quest?
grand ferry
opps
grand ferry
not yet
grand ferry
in less than two hours hopefully
outer oyster
Ok thanks
cursive mural
!seasonwhentellmebruh @outer oyster
knotty ploverBOT
noon pacific time. countdown:
https://www.tickcounter.com/countdown/1462274/season-of-lightseekers-countdown
zinc vessel
@outer oyster that’s in Eden???
broken delta
@outer oyster that's not in Eden, why did you post it here?
outer oyster
...i thought this is the place for all the spoilers
rich egret
No this is specifically for eden
outer oyster
I’m sorry imma delete them then
vestal thunder
hey whats rhe oob lol
broken delta
oob = out of bounds
it means you are outside the map of the world, either intentionally or not
vestal thunder
ohhh lol
lilac summit
Hi everyone! Just joined in! Love love the game and Eden, while emotionally hard to go through (at least the first time) is so stunningly beautiful to finish! Here’s a photo of me in-game— hope to see you there!
jovial flume
Have you guys ever had an annoying experience in eden involving someone else, I once had two friends with me and we were on the first krill part and hiding under the thing and all of a sudden all these people came out of no where, this dude kept coming out and then back in when the krill was still searching that specific area so it stayed
jovial flume
It was both, I kept thinking the krill would swipe down and get us all trying to get the one player
Then we all would’ve been screwed
fading iris
I always get stuck in the part going up the stairs with the krill. That metal beam looking part? Yeah its like the death of me lol
jovial flume
I always get stuck on the part where you have to get to the cave with the krill making circles back and forth
jovial flume
The so strong and sometimes a pain
😂
I can get through it but I’ll retreat a few times
This one person was playing alone, and just flew straight through eden
I’m like sir, you have guts flying through eden like that
outer oyster
Hey
muted forge
hi everyone! here are some cute eden pictures I took with a girl I met there!
ornate sparrow
Really like the new spell!
outer oyster
Sue that are beautifull photo’s
hollow raptor
Hmm