I mean, there ARE complex mechanics
#beta-discussion
blazing sail
Actually... when it started showing up in some YouTube videos a week or so ago, I was hoping it was an ultimate gift they just didn’t have ready for us yet
tawny prairie
wait it’s about 25.99$ for me and I’m canadian
Is it showing for that also in usd?
blazing sail
And that that’s why the mask and hair weren’t as impressive as past ultimates
sand dawn
Usd
tawny prairie
Waittttt so it’s going to be 35$ for me
sand dawn
I’m in Europe and it’s usd in beta for me too
tawny prairie
ahahah okay
vivid glacier
oh my
dire rover
No I think for the swing to be worth $25 us dollars it needs to be more than just a swing you can interact with. It should be a reward item for an entire separate quest if they demand that price.
If they lower the price and keep it as a standalone item it needs to go down to $10.. maybe $15 if they're pushing it.
But the whole problem is: The more they push the prices the worse their reputation as a company becomes
And the issue they're faced with is "how much can we produce cheap and easy for players to not feel bad for buying our cash shop items". Imo if this is what they're presenting to us they're really missing the ball. No doubt it sells, but at what cost
tawny prairie
I thought it was 15$ for you guys 
lusty light
TGC wouldn’t change the season reward after beta testing is complete and has already hit live
dire rover
I actually missed out on the fireplace because I was having a break from the game when that season was going
blazing sail
I knew they never did it in the past but part of me still hoped
But instead they’re selling it to us separately. 
vivid glacier
a swingset for a childhood-esque season would be awesome
sand dawn
I don’t want the swing as a ult tho
vivid glacier
idk what the convo is abt but imma just put it in there
simple willow
About the prices of the swings @vivid glacier 
vivid glacier
yeah i heard. 25 bucks is kinda crazy; journey on ios CAD money is abt 7 bucks
but hey, this is why its in beta
dire rover
That's a thing I've noticed TGC struggles with alongside other companies producing similar games, they all struggle finding out how to manage the real endgame to keep players interested.
The swing adds "stuff to do" but there's no card game equivalent duels you can have for fun, there's little interaction with the game world itself- a limitation of the game engine-, they're giving us stuff but the purpose of it seems really vague
In Wow you could go to a tavern and have your character drink grog for fun and the screen would get wobbly
Stuff like that is the "real" endgame
They're really valuing their 3D artists if they really want to pull $25 for it
sand dawn
Don’t compare sky to Wow tho, gee, different leagues (tho in sky flight is 1000x better than in Wow!)
dire rover
Live service games like sky are the next mmo style game
simple willow
But then that would ruin the purpose of it being a children’s game as well @dire rover 
vivid glacier
probably meaning that those little things that matters
dire rover
I'm not saying give us grog lol
worn field
it's important to remember it's subjective. i know some people feel that the game gets boring after a while, but personally i'm continuing to have lots of fun. and i really love the swing.
vivid glacier
like the effect of drinking ot affects the player’s experience as well
dire rover
It comes down to the little things you can do while killing time after your daily candle gathering
worn field
i don't even do candle farming. it's not what i play sky for.
dire rover
They gave us important updates like the ability to more easily copy-paste text from the chatlog so we can use translator apps to converse with players from other regions
You mainly hang out in sky, but after that- there's "not really much to do"
sand dawn
I would much prefer to see some heartshaped cosmetics..
Imagine a super cute frilly cape with hearts instead of stars?💖💖💖💖💖
dire rover
I can imagine a platform with a 3x3 grid on it to play tic-tac-toe with another player
Stuff like that isn't in the game
vivid glacier
maybe for valentines 
sand dawn
Tic-tac-toe is to simple imo
vivid glacier
imo i kinda find it weird that a lot of the iap is more.. modern?
if that makes sense
dire rover
The point is it's a thing to do
sand dawn
Yeah
tawny prairie
yes I was hoping the swing would be more natural?
vivid glacier
maybe im saying this cus im a lore enthusiast lol but like bat capes and swing sets dont really offer to the story of the game
tawny prairie
more wood like
dire rover
If they were to implement a Sky Kids Card game that you can only play ingame after collecting your favorite Sky Kids collectors cards I'd be all over that lol
vivid glacier
its just. fun stuff to have and own and have fun with
tawny prairie
maybe a leaf pad at the seat
oh collecting little card missions from doing things like seeing a bridge or a manta
sand dawn
I just want some minigames that involve what this game is so good for, Flying!
vivid glacier
because those stuff i seee is like something you’d see in ||the office||
dire rover
But what price makes it a valuable purchase ginsy
worn field
i'm sure TGC would love to hear some of these ideas in #beta-feedback and/or #wishlist-and-ideas-archived
vivid glacier
i have no say in what prices because i cant spent money in mobile games lol
dire rover
I've already written a little feedback I'm just interested in the talks
vivid glacier
but i still find 25 bucks to be a bit much
vivid glacier
i dont care much abt iap aside from seasonal passes because it doesnt interest me as much
im more for adding more changes in the environment itself to make sense of sky’s backstory
dire rover
The game is missing a lot of the wonder Journey had, that's for sure. More lore and world building would be great
vivid glacier
yeah, seasons do that but like the new stuff are still pretty vague
we ask for answers but we end up getting more questions
lorewise anyway
im very into lore
sand dawn
I think because it’s a backslot item they feel like they can ask more for it..
But imo that bat cape was way cooler.. (and in contrast with this swing for 25, 15 suddenly doesn’t seem so bad)
vivid glacier
loll
vapid briar
I do have to scuttle off for the night, we've already had some preliminary meetings about all your feedback and will continue to work on this holiday event. I'll probably be lurking over the weekend to answer questions and keep a pulse on things.
dire rover
A swing for $25 is a big "are you serious", but a $25 aztec styled cape that opens a labyrinth with a difficult puzzle resulting in an aztec style emote with a quest line that built on the destroyed world of Sky would be massively interesting
vivid glacier
despite all this we do appreciate what yall have done for us and we thank all of yall for communicating with us players 
gnight, ktjn ^^
dire rover
They're getting better at communicating
Real change takes time, but we've seen that happen this year
Also we have capes with textures now
They solved the memory problem?
Maybe it's all a trick they're doing with Apple to get us to buy new iphones lol
simple willow
Let’s just be glad that sky is not part of the Apple Arcade😂😅
vivid glacier
oh my god yes
ive actually thought about that before and im like so thankful it isnt
arctic pecan
hmm all i know about AA is that it’s a subscription kinda thing like Spotify
which can put those who don’t have the subscription at disadvantage
dire rover
I wonder how much pressure is on them to pay back investors and that's why they're pushing (imo) tasteless items like the overpriced swing
Apple Arcade wasn't a thing when Sky was entering release sadly
Imo it would have been interesting
arctic pecan
hmm true it was announced few weeks after Sky got global release
lusty light
TGC wouldn’t put sky on Apple Arcade anyway
They made the game with the intent of it being free for everyone
Apple Arcade goes against that point
dire rover
They did do a live demo at one of the Apple presentations though
Can't remember what area they showcased
lusty light
Prarie
dire rover
It was running at such a stable framerate
lusty light
They were playing it on the most recent hardware
empty inlet
most recent
dire rover
Something I remembered I wanted to bring up, I really wish they would expand on the lore of the player, the sky kids, helping the sky adults
empty inlet
was pretty old for now
dire rover
Seasons that explore the actual game would be great. So much more value than overpriced swings
If the swing launches at 25 it'll become a meme lol
New praire is nice though
barren falcon
hello
narrow valley
tiny brain: using table for its intended purpose
big brain: stacking tables
super brain: stacking campires
galaxy brain: stacking swing sets
burnt finch
lol i've been reading over chat and my god, starflame you're always so brutally honest with this game's criticisms, it's so refreshing honestly
i love this game, but to ignore its bad sides isn't healthy for it in the long term
dire rover
I wonder how the collision properties are with the swing though
I have strong opinions and passion for a game I've followed since it got announced they were working on it after Journey was released @burnt finch
They really need to address the dark sides of their cash shop economy and future monetization of the game if they want it to survive long term. And they're trying, but some of what they're doing is just straight from that one guy's mobile-game-presentation on extreme monetization and TGC seems to be ignoring just how quickly a company's reputation can shift
glacial sigil
Anyone know where the seasonal candles are scattered? I can’t find them in prairie or forest.
burnt finch
from what i understand, they're trying to use the same economy system as fortnite
dire rover
There's a lot of research and real life testing gone into hooking people into buying things, tactics like "anchoring" where they present an expensive item upfront that makes you go "oh snap that's extremely expensive no thanks", then the game waits a little and presents the same or similar item at a 70% discount because you're a "new player".
Suddenly that price seems more managable because the expectation has been set at the extreme level. You as the player feel more okay paying the 70% discount despite that being a 300% price markup on it's own from anything that can be called a "real price"
That's what the swing represents for me.
lusty light
@glacial sigil there are no seasonal candles since this isn’t really a season extension
dire rover
They're not deploying deplorable price tactics to hook and bait players, but they're starting to near it because everything is sort of expensive
burnt finch
honestly i would gladly donate to a tgc patreon if it meant in-game prices were cheaper
glacial sigil
How come we get candles from quests then?
lusty light
They “reactivated” the season to test the swing set spells
glacial sigil
Ah, okay thank you
blazing sail
My feedback was too long 😞
radiant drum
Docx or other types of files are welcome in the channel! Unfortunately that’s one drawback of discord when it comes to feedback but uploading a file works for long posts
blazing sail
I guess I’ll wait my 15 min and post the rest before I go to sleep
dire rover
Just to mention. I try not to be too harsh in my critique of the game when discussing it here, however there are a lot of kids who play Sky and in general many who are unaware that these "free" games are meant to hook you so you spend money on it. It's a business.
And because it's a business it means there is a care to the customer that needs to be considered- which usually happens to be a young person playing, this makes it very important to shed light on shady tactics or tactics that provide virtually no real ingame value to the player.
Price gauging single items that don't live up to the extraordinary cost won't always be apparent to the layman player. I feel when real money is involved and as I said these games are designed to make the company money, it's a neccesary thing to be able to discuss openly without much fuzz.
If a company demands $25 us dollars for an item that better be worth it. In big title games prices upwards of $20+ monies is currently being exploited in live service games like Apex Legends and Fortnite, among others. Do we really want that from TGC?
Mobile games in particular are notorious for being unregulated, ripping apart wallets and we're here with one of the coziest and most beautiful games to exist on a mobile platform, by a company that sells "experiences" and feelings as their main taglines, a company that's well respected from their best selling title is a timeless masterful work of videogame art.
Imo that's pretty important to remind the devs about when they're already treading the ice when wandering into dark territory. Imo there's no excuse for pricing an item similar to other companies that have no reputation and just want a quick buck.
So many people just accept things instead of discussing it. I just like to be straight forward.
blazing sail
I agree Starflame. I was actually close to just calling it quits when they added the $25 Halloween costume.
I love Halloween and it felt like the holiday was being held hostage
dire rover
The big problem is that those items sell and their statistics will say "these items are great", their investors will be at their meetings being shown numbers where jenova goes "our halloween items were very popular and sold a ton", but their sacrificing the reputation of the game and TGC to sell these single items. This discord and "vocal community" is such a small part of the player base we aren't even a blipp on the map when it comes to us vs the numbers and money pouring in.
I would have liked to have the halloween cape. But straight up $25 is too much no matter how you slice and dice it. Even if you consider the fact that you "dont have to buy it", the game is about that. Collecting the items. And it will continue. They'll make more items that are cool and sought after. That's why they brought in the traveling NPC's, so people have a chance at getting those.
They changed the cost from hearts to candles but 35? An odd number- Not entirely because if you have some from before you don't have to work much to get the item.
But again- the thought is to make it easier for you to shortcut the path to purchasing candles to get the item. The line between you feeling it's too much vs you feeling you're ok purchasing it because you're missing a few candles is so razor thin it's crazy.
And that's where TGC is at, because they have to work with that. Yet they feel they're hitting the mark with their overpriced pay2win items. Pay2win in the essence of how the game of sky is ultimately played.
It was totally held hostage
Personally I really like the seasonal passes. It creates a little narrative that's unspoken because NPC's can't talk in Sky for some reason, show don't tell and all that. But it's something.
blazing sail
The passes at least give you a lot of stuff and you’re not just buying it and moving on (unless you spend another $100 to get it all on day 1)
And the fact that they can be gifted also changes things
dire rover
What it really feels like is that TGC isn't hitting the marks set by investors or what they've tried to hit and they've retorted to publishing single items to weigh up the cost, gauging it loosely by release schedule thinking quarterly
blazing sail
But these $25 items become status symbols and I hate it
dire rover
They do and it's a little disheartening. Then again in all mmo's you have the people with moneybags and the coolest items
They've obviously calculated the risk and the % complaining vs the % buying and enjoying it, not thinking about the money spent, is super in favor of the latter
Sometimes you've just got to sit down on the ground and ask yourself if it's worth it spending $25 buckaroos to sit on a swingset a few cm above the ground just to look cute.
blazing sail
It’s just so painful to see these decisions being made. There’s obviously a ton of love put into all the details in this game — especially the emotes. But then it gets soured by awkward monetization.
dire rover
Yeah if they had small storylines with each item they would redeem a lot of the empty feeling of it
blazing sail
I know people above said they’re glad it’s not an Apple Arcade game
But Apple Arcade games don’t need to worry about monetization
Apple just pays them a big chunk of money to make a good game
And I think TGC doesn’t want to monetize — they have to.
dire rover
I mean they chose the mobile platform like six years ago
blazing sail
Or at least, they don’t know how to continuously fund an online game without becoming the things they hate.
dire rover
It's the fact that instead of doing traditional DLC or traditional mobile-items they had a hybrid of their passes and then trying some single item cosmetics
They're overvaluing them so much though
They hit Game of the Year on iOS and their playerbase has spiked dramatically
$25 for a swing is like $7 horse armor in oblivion
timber elk
what happened to the beta feedback channel
blazing sail
It’s private now.
narrow valley
indeed, but where do they draw the line between necessary and reasonable IAP and something as ridiculously infamous as Mario Kart Tour's Diddy Kong Pack
timber elk
why
dire rover
They've set it so you can't see the history but have failed to realize you can still see new messages posted.
They need to take off "read messages" on the permission tab
timber elk
Does anyone know why though?
dire rover
Bullying of people's suggestions
timber elk
Oh that’s sad they had to do that
worn field
it’s only readable by TGC staff/devs, to hopefully keep the feedback more constructive and unbiased by others’ influence.
also, it helps keep conversation in the discussion channels, making the feedback more readable for TGC.
dire rover
@narrow valley I mean that's really what they're pushing now. Seeing as their halloween event items gave them good numbers they're trying to this new swing set item and it seems like a cool enough item they're likely going to push it out at 25
The history is readable buy TGC staff- we can still see new messages posted until you close discord..
radiant drum
@dire rover the read messages permission is still granted so you have at least one chance of looking at your message and possibly editing it. That format is still being revised though, so one drawback is that you can still see some other recent messages as well
dire rover
That is very understandable
narrow valley
I suggest utilizing thatskybot to do double work to provide a template in dms similar to the bug report process
woeful lodge
They would make SO MUCH more money on spell packs
If you could spend $5 on a pack of 5 glow spells, or 5 resize spells, or even 5 table or campfire spells, they could make a ton and there would be so much less bitterness
dire rover
They would make more money if they sold tshirts and plushies imo..
blazing sail
Spell packs would basically be gacha
woeful lodge
Gacha?
blazing sail
Oh wait
narrow valley
tbh I kinda miss the irony behind the glow spell being horribly bright
blazing sail
Not if they’re specific
dire rover
I'll take Concept Art Posters for $25, Alex
blazing sail
I thought you meant packs of random spells
worn field
same, glow spell was kinda funny.
worn field
i found it really cute whenever a moth used one at home
dire rover
I hoard spells and never use them because I might have a use for them one day
but not today
arctic pecan
Today!
is not the day
woeful lodge
Um... today has been today all day long...
narrow valley
like "aw man, it actually lights up the area now" hahaha I miss seeing players just looking like they were replaced with the surface of the sun
blazing sail
@dire rover same!
fickle oasis
So I have a lot of questions about beta... (I’m pretty new to the game) what exactly is the beta? Like, while normal sky is out is there also a separate app for beta testers where people test new updates? How do I become a beta tester? I’d love it if someone could help me in PMs
gilded parrotBOT
The iOS and Android betas are full at the moment, @fickle oasis. To join future beta invite waves, watch for announcements in #beta-announcements! Give yourself the beta role here by tapping the 
in #old-𝚛ules to be notified of important updates.
woeful lodge
Sneaky skybot
dire rover
I posted the glowing person image in #sky-memes
narrow valley
good bot
spark lance
Lol
woeful lodge
@fickle oasis you can dm me if you’d like
fickle oasis
Okay!
spark lance
I wanna be a beta player too but I'm guessing if I ask I will get the same answer so 🤷🏽♀️
No luck there
lusty light
!betafaq
gilded parrotBOT
The iOS and Android betas are full at the moment. To join future beta invite waves, watch for announcements in #beta-announcements! Give yourself the beta role here by tapping the in #old-𝚛ules to be notified of important updates.
spark lance
Exactly
radiant drum
You just have to wait for slots to open
livid ice
@spark lance u need to go to #old-𝚛ules and press the cyan cape and wait ,that’s all
radiant drum
Like everyone else, so yeah the answer isn’t changing
spark lance
I know but I've been waiting ages
lusty light
A lot of people want to be beta testers but it’s impossible for tgc to have everyone who wants to be a tester be a tester
spark lance
And I have pressed blue cape
radiant drum
Yeah but so has everyone else
livid ice
Like others tho ,for now they don’t need testers
lusty light
I waited 7 months to get into beta
spark lance
Oh btw
radiant drum
TGC opens slots when they need testers, not when people want to test
spark lance
How do they link your Discord account to your Sky account if they don't use the same email?
dire rover
At least they're not charging for the beta testing, unlike Bethesda
spark lance
So what do I do?
lusty light
There’s a link that they post that is first come first serve
livid ice
U gotta wait for it
spark lance
What I am saying
radiant drum
When you get the link, you use iCloud account on iOS and google account on android for the beta
lusty light
They used to send out individual emails but it’s not sustainable for them to do that anymore
dire rover
They're trying to say you just gotta wait for TGC to yeet out more slots but they haven't gotten to that vibe yet
radiant drum
This discord is just the place the link will be shared, #beta-announcements to be exact
spark lance
@radiant drum I'm confused what do you mean use my iCloud account?
narrow valley
Like I'd love to see original glow spell again, but it's just too powerful – it's a distraction in just the right places and a disappointment for players unfamiliar with it, expecting something that'll help
radiant drum
You need an iCloud account to be a beta tester because the beta is done via TestFlight
livid ice
Singing in with ur iCloud account on TestFlight it does automatically with game center
livid ice
Beta -sky and sky are different things
But yeah I would recommend just in case if ur using an iPhone
To recover ur account if the game gets deleted or sum happens with it
Or when u changing phones is good to have a backup
narrow valley
I'd love to embrace the meme and have it so bright it gets its own lens flare, but that power should not be given to the player
radiant drum
There will be a link posted in #beta-announcements if they decide to open new slots, and that will take you to TestFlight which is an Apple application to download the beta version of the game
TestFlight will be linked to your iCloud account
Sky can also be linked to your iCloud via Game Center but that’s for saving your data, so another matter entirely
dire rover
It was fun to use the glow spell in eden's star children tunnel and have players confused why they find a person to click on but no icon
spark lance
LOL
narrow valley
Indeed, so once you get in, keep yourself logged in to that iCloud account, or you won't receive updates through testflight
lusty light
!betalive
gilded parrotBOT
Beta and Live versions of Sky are completely separate apps. Progress/purchases in one have no effect on progress/purchases in another.
spark lance
Grr
radiant drum
Beta testing is for helping TGC test the game
And whatever new feature they want to test
spark lance
So I WILL have to start from scratch ugh
narrow valley
beta is entirely separate, so it will be basically starting a new game
lusty light
If tgc let people carry over beta progress people would get a lot of things free
spark lance
I don't wanna have to start again
white root
And don't forget the imminent wipe
radiant drum
Well in beta everything is free, there are many bugs and extra currency is given so it’s not a big deal
spark lance
No I wanna carry over my Live progress
narrow valley
I think they're thinking of going from live to beta
lusty light
Yes, your beta progress can be wiped at any time as well
radiant drum
Since all progress can be reset at any point there’s no reason to hold onto your belongings
woeful lodge
Beta is not a preview. It’s not early access. It’s not bragging rights. Beta testers don’t have a say in how things out to be or work.
Beta is an opportunity to play the game and to react to potential new features, some of which will never be added to the live game. We give feedback and tell the devs how we feel about our experience, but we don’t really get a say in whether or not things change or whether things actually even make it into the live version.
dire rover
What
spark lance
I know
woeful lodge
TLDR if you come to beta you come to work
radiant drum
Voluntary work!
woeful lodge
😘
spark lance
Look fine
white root
Beta is for bug reporting. The prize is you get to experience the new items firsthand
lusty light
You don’t really need to worry about progress in beta anyway
spark lance
I will 🙄😞 start from scratch
lusty light
You just need to finish vault tbh and after that you just focus on feedback and bugs
You don’t need cosmetics
woeful lodge
And they can reset everyone’s progress at any time.
lusty light
I don’t even have my emotes upgraded
spark lance
But can you get cosmetics if you want to
lusty light
Yeah but why would I worry about that when tgc can take them away at any moment
dire rover
Testing a feature that's pretty terrible and saying it's pretty terrible is having a say in how this ought to be.
Beta testing is bug and featurea testing, especially when it's non-specific for us, unlike their QA team that set up specific testing situations
radiant drum
I mean of course our feedback matters, but our feedback matters so TGC can see what the players think and adjust accordingly. We don’t directly get to decide anything
lusty light
Not everything we suggest is something they can put in the game
dire rover
I see a lot of people with multiple season capes
lusty light
Imagine if every feedback or suggestion was added...
dire rover
Imagine if they decided to add something like a swing for $25! L O L am I right, fellow beta testers?
spark lance
Not fair
woeful lodge
But testing a feature and saying that you hate it might be exactly what they’re looking for in a certain feature. I’m sure that the people who first got to test the krill absolutely loved them and wanted them to stay.
dire rover
You mean Dark Dragons
lusty light
krill
dire rover
narrow valley
yea I miss my live unlocked stuff when I'm playing beta, but I consider it as a second sky child to take care of, so I just accept that tall beta kid is going to have less variety than my small kid in the live build
spark lance
Krill has been their name since the early beta days. That's not going to change
And because that's what they look like
dire rover
"Hey david can you make us like dark dragons but don't make them look like dragons try shrimp like designs"
"The players started calling them Krill, boss"
"They what"
narrow valley
They have different items, different things unlocked, and that's ok
white root
Krill is easier to type though
spark lance
True
dire rover
Was it ever krill ingame? I recall it being krill
woeful lodge
My point is that as beta testers it’s not our job to say, “it should be changed like this to make it better”. Our job is to say “I didn’t really like this because...” or “I like this because” or “what in the world was that?!?! “ 🤣
narrow valley
Smol kid gets all the seasonal goodies, and tall kid gets all that iap junk that smol kid won't buy themself
It works out
spark lance
Our job as beta testers is to provide constructive feedback. That may be a new concept for some people.
No it isn't
woeful lodge
@narrow valley I had to read that like 4 times 🤣
narrow valley
pffffft
spark lance
I agree
woeful lodge
I thought you were talking about skykid size in the game
blazing sail
Krill is a good word bc it’s so close to “kill” and therefore “krilled” works perfectly.
woeful lodge
Spill
white root
Lol
woeful lodge
Windmill
spark lance
Krilled I mean
narrow valley
by the way I seriously need to log when krill appear in my dreams because they show up very often
spark lance
That's sad
woeful lodge
I was going to react by laughing but then I thought, wait AITA?
blazing sail
Krillonoscopy
woeful lodge
Oof
spark lance
???
narrow valley
Two things in Sky recur in my dreams, Children of Light (Stars) (shiny bois) and krill
white root
Just don't lose your lights and you'll be fine
spark lance
Jeez how much do you play @narrow valley
narrow valley
too much
spark lance
I play like all the time and I have never ever dreamt about Sky
dire rover
Imo the title beta tester has changed over time, in particular for a public and social game like Sky.
The internal tester team is traditional QA and beta testing. They do a set of tasks and report back.
A community is important to listen to and be critical of, because if you fail and start pricing your items for $25 and such you might strike a tonedeaf note that's hard to change because you've doubled down. Then again if you listen too much to the community and give them everything they ask for- that likely isn't what's healthy for the game because the average player wants "more" and "things easier" when really the true desire is balance and challenges.
spark lance
You have to get it just right
Is that quote, starflame?
We are a bunch of Goldilockses
dire rover
Also a small secret: I've never burned down the darkness patch in Wasteland's battlefield.
And I've been playing since limited release mwhaha
No that's me writing my thoughts dune
spark lance
I have like 3 times lol
woeful lodge
I would argue (as a developer) that the internal team does unit testing and alpha testing but beta testing is always a larger more detached group.
white root
@dire rover balance in all things
spark lance
Well all I want is to help the game grow
Well, TGC's testing has been described in a livestream in pretty good detail
It is a great game and I want to help it as much as I can
dire rover
I mean TGC's philosophy for the difficulty of the game is very well balanced in a way
narrow valley
a good bar to look at is the adventure pass/pass pack price, take into account the effort needed to unlock everything manually, then look back at the single item to be sold
dire rover
You need to play 55 days out of 75 to unlock all items I think
dire rover
26-27 days of buffer
dire rover
I thought it was 75
spark lance
But aren't we drifting off topic?
dire rover
Anyways $25 swing bad
spark lance
Technically you talk about the season in general and seasonal chat
narrow valley
Swing is so strange because it's a sub-par table, but it is functional as a chat bench, it's pretty big, and if tgc had it in a season proper, it would likely be a final reward, yet 25 usd just feels way too much to ask for one single virtual item
spark lance
Beta beta beta swing swing swing
worn field
it’s also just a really fun item
spark lance
Ok!
worn field
i just got your joke Dune
spark lance
Other than the price, I love the whole idea about the swing
dire rover
Some of the issue I have is that I don't see how the swing fits in as a player item.
The fireplace totally makes sense and should really replace the table because an ikea table in the world of sky is really out of place.
But the swing doesn't fit in. On top of that they're asking for 25 doodlersbuckers for it and that's just too much for an item that doesn't immediately scream "oh that makes sense"
The swing should be added to Valleys ice rink or something
spark lance
I feel like if TGC feels it fits, then it fits.
lusty light
I’ve always wanted a 2 player bench
Swings are cute
But I worry for our sky children’s safety
dire rover
And that sort of rubs me the wrong way, instead of adding value to the game world it seems they're trying to monetize items like the swing in a pseudo the-sims-style placement gear
lusty light
Please hold onto the bars you will fall off.
dire rover
No childrens seat either smh
spark lance
Lol sorry
lusty light
Smh tgc promoting child endangerment??? I’m suing
spark lance
I guess "value" is a subjective judgment in the big picture.
narrow valley
Swing just has big "ultimate reward" energy to it, but it's just too simple for 25 dollarinos
dire rover
You could think of the swing as if the table was the swing.
Would you pay $25 for a table that's out of place? You'd want to talk with others and that's major, and it's got 4 spots to sit.
The swing you can well, swing.. and it has two sponts. It's not really... worth
spark lance
Wait, if swings promote child endangerment, then what do flying near Krill do?
narrow valley
Sera, have you seen the swingset stacks in beta 
dire rover
Value is very subjective I agree dune
empty river
This children are strong they don’t need to hold on
narrow valley
omg
dry pivot
lol
empty river
They can even defy gravity
spark lance
The upside down swingset was the funniest thing I saw tonight.
empty river
Same lol
dry pivot
i wanna see one myself I only saw stacks
spark lance
Not just the swings themselves, but people swinging upside down
lusty light
Dune krill are dangerous but what if my sky kid scrapes their knee!! What will i do!!
empty river
I saw one upside down, half buried into the ground
lusty light
There’s no sky pediatricians
tawny bough
I think they're made of hardier stuff, Seraph!
empty river
Kiss the injury away
spark lance
The spirits don't have first aid kits?
tawny bough
They fly full speed into walls all the time!
dire rover
I hear being reborn is a pretty good way to get new wings and strech your arms
empty river
ding
tawny bough
They just ding and go on with their lives
narrow valley
I thought we were crazy enough with stacking campfires to make something like a giant flaming wooden effigy, but now we have swing sets to add to the chaos, and they stack tall really fast
spark lance
We need Sky EMTs but don't ask Rainy Aunt to help you 'cause an axe is no way to fix an injury
woeful lodge
The upside down swings look@like metronomes
turbid summit
CPR stands for Cape Protect Restore
tawny bough
P... Put a swing set in ||Eden rain||
narrow valley
YES
lusty light
Smh grabby aunt and battlepants wildly swinging weapons around BABIES
turbid summit
I tried it didn’t end well
lusty light
thats reckless endangerment
tawny bough
That's science
final lance
Imma make a chaotic suggestion
dire rover
To add another point to the swing, this is again my own opinion and all:
The swing doesn't really do anything new to me. It's in the same class as the table and fireplace except you swing, and that's not "enough" for me to warrant going for it. If "you move" is the only thing they're not being creative enough for me to give them such a chunk of my spending money.
tawny bough
It's all for science
final lance
Add rain in eden
turbid summit
Have u tried swinging inside the sky lights in the prairie cave?
tawny bough
Put the swing in the ||car||
narrow valley
with my dying breath, I build a swing set, I sit down as my vitals start to shut down, one last swing, im at peace as I dissolve into dust
tawny bough
If swings were in Journey
empty river
Ultimate challenge: getting to the elder room only using the swing
tawny bough
Fjdhshfhshs
turbid summit
I wish we could swing fast and jump off
empty river
That would be cool 
tawny bough
Btw if you do certain emotes while swinging you fall off
dire rover
The game has some weird physics, I'm pretty sure you can make use of that to launch yourself off the swing
tawny bough
And flop on the ground in defeat
turbid summit
Like a Valentine’s currency
narrow valley
It's really cute for 20 minutes, and after that you just start going ham and stacking stuff into the stratosphere as we do with any table-like item
spark lance
Oh turbo swing eh?
tawny bough
Skykid, swinging at dangerous speeds: you'll never catch me, not when I shift into MAXIMUM OVERDRIVE
turbid summit
Omg what if u can push ur friends on the swing and they just swing a little higher
blazing sail
That’s the thing... if you buy the swing, you’re probably not gonna carry it around forever. But if you don’t buy it, every once in a while you’ll be jealous of those who have it.
narrow valley
extend the range of motion for the swing, I won't be satisfied at a $25 swing set unless I can do a full 360 rotation on it
tawny bough
Consider: pushing friends on the swing
spark lance
At least we have the swing spells too
narrow valley
goodbye playground safety laws
tawny bough
Rules were made to be broken
spark lance
Yeah that's a pretty consistent suggestion
tawny bough
It's a hard knock life on the school playground
turbid summit
With the swings u can play who can jump off the furthest
spark lance
If you have specific mini-games you want to suggest, >> #wishlist-and-ideas-archived
narrow valley
spin the playground carousel to incredibly fast speeds
narrow valley
see saw chat bench
tawny bough
Yessss
turbid summit
I would love that
tawny bough
Hopscotch lmao idk
narrow valley
It only starts to go when both seats are occupied
tawny bough
Pattycake emote
tawny bough
That gets progressively faster
turbid summit
lol
tawny bough
I wonder if we'll ever get like a human/sing call
Because in faint level 2 they make human snoring/murmuring noises
narrow valley
Bonus: bunk beds
sleek brook
Rock paper scissors emoji 
narrow valley
Bunk beds being Absolutely unfitting for the aesthetic of sky but look at them I just want them to be happy
prime belfry
Voice like hitting spirits and friends in ||orbit||
Skipping rope games where the further two people on the rope stand the more people can jump
turbid summit
Yeah
prime belfry
Omg
tawny bough
But I guess if you had 8 levels and the other guy had like 4 it'd be game over quickly. Maybe it sets everyone's levels to a certain number for the game duration
prime belfry
Yeah you have to learn to fly with energy conservation and wiles
prime belfry
Pretty
turbid summit
These are awesome ideas
prime belfry
Or those Japanese koi wind sock kites
tawny bough
Yeah!
narrow valley
kite reels but another sky kid is the kite
tawny bough
LMAO
prime belfry
Awww
tawny bough
oh no, turbulence
turbid summit
omg what if we had the season of innocents and there was a bunch of playground things and a carousel and chibi spirits
prime belfry
Like a tiny hang glider with a leash lol
turbid summit
And a halo
turbid summit
YEAH
turbid summit
AWE
narrow valley
duck floatie to wear on the water
tawny bough
D-- omg I'd die
prime belfry
Angel chibi uwu
turbid summit
Like a raven, a dove, and a spotted bird
prime belfry
tawny bough
narrow valley
turbid summit
How we gonna fit all these suggestions
tawny bough
I'd love a canvas item to draw pictures for others but I can see how people would abuse it (ಥ﹏ಥ)
spark lance
Yup they would.
tawny bough
Rip crayon item
tawny bough
Man that'd be a lot of work
spark lance
What should be approved by a mod?
tawny bough
If 200 people have that item and are making pictures
It'd be easier to just report the bad ones
prime belfry
Think of sky all tagged up with crayons graffiti
tawny bough
But it's still too much work to implement
turbid summit
But children
tawny bough
LOL all the trees in the forest
prime belfry
It would be like the message candles anywhere concept that died quickly
tawny bough
Aww I never heard of that one
prime belfry
Early days
narrow valley
No control over drawings, they just end up doing random scribbly blobs on the canvas and they'll be amazing, true art
spark lance
Actually we had those for quite a while
And we can still see our own floating message candles in the game
We just can't create new ones
turbid summit
tawny bough
Darksouls-type candle messages littering the worlds would be neat but even with a small list of words to choose from it'd be abused too.
Alas
spark lance
Well and since we're a global community, language would be a factor too
narrow valley
expand the crab and krill cult
tawny bough
Right
spark lance
Baby krill
narrow valley
angy
tawny bough
Not even a hat just an angry crab on your head wondering what choices it made in its life to wind up there
prime belfry
Hat still has little red eye when you go near peopel
prime belfry
So cute
spark lance
So this discussion is sounding like it should be in general
It's not beta-related at all
prime belfry
Yup
hollow turret
Anyone else experiencing beta app crashes Everytime you try to open the app ever since this new update today?
quaint mist
Waiting for time when I can join beta…
What do you think about when next recruitment of beta on Android will be?
brazen flicker
We don't have any way of knowing- it all depends on when TGC decides they need more testers. Just keep an eye on #beta-announcements for announcements 
quick oriole
I can’t remember if it was something Ktjn said or if it was a comment on the recent livestream, but someone from TGC said they’re probably not gonna open more slots for Android beta anytime soon. The only reason they’d feel they need to is if a lot of Android beta testers go inactive and they need a stream of new active testers
hollow turret
@empty river but if I delete and reinstall the app won't I lose my progress and my spot in beta?
empty river
You only lose your access to beta if you click on ‘stop testing’ in test flight 
hollow turret
Oh ok so if I delete it and reinstall it I'll be fine?
empty river
My progress was lost after restarting my phone, but after clicking account>recover I got it back
hollow turret
Oh ok
empty river
Yes you should be fine, be sure your Game Center is linked tho!
empty river
Ah you are in Android then?
hollow turret
Yes
arctic pecan
hmm try asking at #beta-discussion-android since someone over there might know more about the Android stuffs
quartz ermine
Since they brought back the seasonal for a bit in beta, is there 17 daily candles?
quartz ermine
I see. That explains it. Thanks
honest folio
When sitting on a swing, are you supposed to be able to see messages of other players sitting on other swings (not next to me)?
lunar zealot
No, chat is currently bugged in beta
honest folio
Oof
lunar zealot
Ah wait— its no bug
I misread
Yeah, that’s normal. It’s that way with table and bonfire as well
quaint mist
@brazen flicker @quick oriole Thanks I see…then I'll just wait…until the time has come
brazen flicker
Best of luck! 
honest folio
@lunar zealot oh I already sent it as bug report
safe swan
Is the seasonal candle clusters still in the season?
honest folio
Should it work even if the other swing is on the other side of the level?
lunar zealot
Haha it’s ok! Bug reports can be used to catch things the player feel looks out of place too, not only bugs
As long as it is in the same instance / server then yes, you could sit at the start of vault and i would still be able to read what you say where the elevator is
safe swan
Is the seasonal candle clusters still available since they brought back the season?
lunar zealot
Last time I checked, no. I believe Ktjn said that was not needed for the testing they are doing
safe swan
welp time to cry in a hole now
dense eagle
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hollow compass
Ah, I was just coming here to post about my confusion, but I see the reason why now.
Still a little sad I won't be able to get the ultimate hair in beta.
Anyway, I got 3 swing spells, so I suppose it works.
fresh quiver
Did the spirit disappear for anyone else? I restarted but it's still missing
pallid badger
Is in the shop. 🙂
It’s beta. They’ll adjust as necessary depending on our constructive feedback.
I assume mid February for valentines, but we won’t know unless TGC tells us. Or until the patch is released. 
dusky seal
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near locust
So... I accidentally muted chat with a beta friend, and I dont know how to get it back. I clicked on the chat icon in the friendship tree and chat was never reestablished. There were all these swings going and I got confused.
If anyone knows what to do I’d love the help!
radiant drum
You can click the node directly above the chat icon in their friend tree to mute/unmute chat
near locust
Ok thanks Mirian. I had to log off for the night but I’ll try that tomorrow. I felt terrible!
I am thinking this feature could be a little more intuitive than it is.
hasty vessel
Am I the only one who’s hugely disappointed by this swing concept? What it entails and what direction it seems this game is headed for?
wind torrent
what do you think it entails?
shrewd needle
I need to check before giving beta feedback; was the draft price of that swing $25, or $15?
wind torrent
$25
hasty vessel
The draft price was 25 dollars I believe it’s just a cash grab item used to sway and tempt people into spending a ridiculous amount for a redundant cosmetic that adds nothing new to the game
Doesn’t matter that doesn’t justify the price they had initially thought of
That’s no excuse
If it was a placeholder price all previous cosmetics released the same way would have that price tag
What are you talking about?
This is the highest priced cosmetic other than the founder cape that has entered beta
Well that’s exactly what it feels like if it was a placeholder price it would have been 10-15 dollars
They wanted to see our reaction and whether people were ok to spend so much for a limited cosmetic
Btw if the team weren’t money hungry this item would have cost hearts for a romantic even I wouldn’t have expected any less
I bet they’ve made a killing with the recent season of rhythm
Exactly Astro!
They obviously have a mark up plan for the game Astro
And the seasonal events are meant to meet that criteria
If they need more money to expand the game they can start a go fund me or a patreon
Don’t introduce redundant items to the game for a ludicrous price
All the in app purchases are used to help the game expand Astro
And if they aren’t making enough revenue from this they need to figure out other ways to gain capital
People have supported this game from the jump and if you haven’t realised already the game hasn’t changed hugely on the aspect of gameplay.
People are bored running through the same maps doing the same quests since gratitude
If the game is so heavily resource intensive the team have to find other means to expand their game to support their players
Not “here have this capeless item, it costs 1000 hearts but it will keep you older players here for longer” or “here have this beautiful swing set, it doesn’t do much and we already have two chat accessories but this one is exclusive and it deserves a 25 dollar mark up”
I’m angry that the idea of 25 dollars as a placeholder price was even initiated
It’s like a slap in the face
brazen oyster
True they should add more things to the General gameplay, not cosmetics but something new maybe, a new map or just something that brings new gameplay experience.
It would keep the game alive and maybe even do it better
blazing sail
They’ve never lowered the price (real cash) of an item between beta and live so there’s no reason to believe this isn’t the intentional price.
brazen oyster
I joined some days before season of gratitude ended.
I left for a while/stopped playing because i didn’t see anything new, all that comes are seasons and cosmetics.
I appreciate the hard work they put into it but it needs something to keep it alive
A new gameplay experience like challenges or a new function would bring more hype to it and they gain more income from it to keep the development up
blazing sail
Calling it a placeholder implies that they would never consider charging $25 for it. That’s not true. Right now, that’s the price they’re playing with. It could change, but there’s no reason to expect it to just because it’s beta.
wind torrent
probably the best thing for now is just to keep submitting (constructive) feedback and see where it goes... condemning them isn’t really going to help anyone
blazing sail
Everyone complained about the bat cape costing $10 in beta and it actually went up in price in live.
elder musk
I think I spent around €140 on this game since launch (seasons, founder's cape, candles to upgrade friendships). The replayability of the game rests in friendships. However, with constant server swaps and game crashes the replay value has been dropping, and now it has reached a crisis point. As a long-time player I would like to see the basic issues fixed with priority - there is a very good post from a player in the suggestions&ideas channel summarizing those. Additional cosmetics may help to keep the Sky boat floating with players who don't mind spending money, but if underlying issues are not fixed, people will drop the game, or just stop paying for anything anymore.
brazen oyster
@wind torrent i already submitted feedback and ideas, now its just waiting for what they do.
I think they have their information about critical and positive sides of the update.
They are a respectful and nice game company and its now their decision what they do with the game.
I hope they will bring some new gameplay updates and more fun to it
floral root
Has anyone found out seasonal candle clumps?
@radiant steeple
Thank you very much. Maybe that's a bug.
blazing sail
Anyone around to help me open the 2-player door?
blazing sail
I got in. Some random stranger popped in
lethal cypress
is the beta still full?
atomic trail
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brazen oyster
@wind torrent no its fine, you just tried calming some down, discussion chats should still stay respectful its a discussion channel still. To discuss and not fight
empty inlet
yee
left sparrow
Ok! Thanks! It’s 29.99 $?
empty inlet
24.99 usd so yea
pine relic
Pricy
blazing sail
Yeah you can’t get much.
sterile plinth
That's a shame, I really wanted to get that cape, I'm really close to getting it
brazen oyster
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brazen oyster
Btw is there a appropriate channel so send commands in?
I’d said General chat normally
tawny prairie
The command never changes so it’s really a one and done for it
dire rover
Azaura has some great points about the swing
sterile plinth
@pallid badger hey boonie, why can't we read message history anymore in #beta-feedback?
lunar zealot
See #beta-announcements and you’ll get your answer Omi
pallid badger
Hi @sterile plinth As Em said, there is a good explanation from Aeri in #beta-announcements if you scroll up 2 or 3 messages. 💕
sterile plinth
Oh, I see, ty, I missed 
dire rover
The swing is a finished item they're presenting as something they want to push into live but want to see how it works. The price will defintely stay, the item does little. No doubt they're working on other bugfixes and optimizations for both platforms but they're missing the ball on monetization.
What I think they intend is to create exlusivity and "gifts" for those who choose to support the game. Think whales or people who really like the game.
What they actually create is a disparity between non-paying players feeling outraged at the shameless and tactless prices, and normal paying players who want the items and feeling ripped off at how little they're getting for their money. From what I can see the result is that those who did get the item are frustrated, and those who didn't are both frustrated and missing out. Widening the gap between the players as their cosmetics are locked behind an outrageous paywall made to entice the mobile-game-paying customer and more importantly: TGC's respect is lost for each item they put out that is like this.
The whales are relatively unphased and just keep on enjoying the game as a whale is defined as someone with enough money to spend regardless.
If they value their time and money they should focus on creating content that means something to the game instead of plopping out separate standalone items for extreme prices. I'd love to have the swing but I wouldn't fork over more than 5-10 us dollars and that's pushing it. Personally I wouldn't get it at $10 because it doesn't add anything that's not already there, and a swing is something I feel should just be a part of the ingame world, not an item.
It's honestly a bit sad to see as a fan of their game. It's like whomever that consults for them about mobile pricing is completely disregarding TGC's reputation and telling them to dive in with both feet.
blazing sail
Honestly, the more I think about it, the more I wish they would just place a few swings around the world — maybe in quiet areas — and do away with the backpack
quaint onyx
They're trying to figure out how to operate in a world where 50$ for a video game is considered outrageous.
tawny prairie
ya swings in hidden easter egg locations would be nicer
blazing sail
It looks kind of silly when you have these swings all over the place anyway
blazing sail
They’re big
quaint onyx
Jenova's even said the goal of these IAP is just to match the 50$ regular-game purchase
blazing sail
Did he? Bc people have spent a lot more than that by now
tawny prairie
ohh you said people
blazing sail
Looking at you, people who get the ultimate gift on day 1
quaint onyx
Until 2017-2018, the plan aparently was just to have the game release at $30~40 in the app store.
spark lance
I just now saw the swing. It’s cute and would be a nice little feature to put in home area on a rotational basis like the ice rink. I just can’t imagine who has the money to continually spend on these cosmetics. I guess someone does but it wouldn’t be me. IMHO the developers are losing their “street cred” for inventing what they market as an inclusive “Kumbaya” kind of game and then pull out so many big ticket items on a continual basis. It does seem they are marketing this game to whales and people with FOMO and impulse control issues.
tawny prairie
not me though 
I haven’t completed some days
dire rover
If they added the swing to a world in the game it would actually create a reason to go hang out ingame, not just at home
tawny prairie
yes see, I didn’t think of this earlier
Find a tree branch and add the swings
that would be so much better, like the sunny place after forest temple
blazing sail
Sunny forest anyone?
quaint onyx
Would you be willing to pay 30$ flat out to play a game on your phone?
tawny prairie
yes
quaint onyx
The answer is no
tawny prairie
lol
livid ice
Noooo
tawny prairie
the game is beautiful and a nice idea but 25$ I think feels out of place since nothing new in the world has really changed
blazing sail
Imagine if instead of an ice rink at home they sold us the ability to create ice rinks anywhere. It’s just not the same
tawny prairie
I’d rather pay for little games to be added
blazing sail
One is inclusive and the other is divisive
tawny prairie
if they want money
livid ice
The game is fine how it is ,if they make things pricier is their thing we don’t need the swing let’s just not buy it :”v
dire rover
They reach a wider player base by making the game free, and having ingame microtransactions.
The issue is that they're brainless on actually giving value that reflects their reputation.
livid ice
Is just a swing :”v
spark lance
I might have paid $30 for the game if they released it free for a trial period so I could experience the game first. I’ve already paid that much for the first two seasons because I purchased the gift passes. But after that first $30 and seeing how they just keep rolling out more and more expensive items I quit spending on the game.
quaint onyx
Several people are typing I don't think beta's ever seen that
livid ice
It has
tawny prairie
yes but we want things to do in game
livid ice
Lol
tawny prairie
the swing is like the mascot haha
livid ice
Ultimate reward from this Season was a crazy debate
tawny prairie
it’s something we could do with friends
and it doesn’t feel like much gets listened to sometimes ):
blazing sail
Ultimate reward should have been the swing
livid ice
I agree on that
tawny prairie
Like this seasons reward is ....odd
blazing sail
I mean, if they have to add it
livid ice
The mask and the swing would’ve been perfect
tawny prairie
a hair ? that looks like it needs some polishing
blazing sail
I still think it would be better placed in interesting spots around the world
quaint onyx
Yeah, I'm thinking that was the probably the plan, too...
livid ice
The hair was fine with the owl spirit
tawny prairie
Yes, if they want money take my money if that means more games for all in the world
I always thought the owl hair needed polishing but as a reward, definitely
livid ice
I didn’t know they were adding the swing I would have tell them about adding it to the season but I suppose they wanna add special items with special seasons like “days of love “
I didn’t know love pixels were so pricey
blazing sail
These holiday items keep creating a bigger rift between F2P players and those willing to spend whatever TGC asks
sharp violet
Idk I think the way tgc has monetized sky so far has been pretty smart. No one pays for apps upfront, free apps have squeezed the paid apps out of the market. Everything that is purchase-able in sky can either be gifted or accessible with a friend. The swing is a spell, everyone will have a chance to get it, even if it will be luck. There are a LOT of underhand and shady practices in the mobile games market to make players purchase and sky has none of them
dire rover
If they stuck to season passes and added things like the swing for free with actual quests to get capes like the halloween cape instead of it costing an arm and a leg, that would actually work well and I would feel like it's a console-style game on mobile.
Right now it feels close to a console game but it's failing to money hungry devs.
Never mind that they said they would not do "traditional" seasons but still added a halloween cape and santa hat smh at the hypocrisy/
blazing sail
Before, anyone could get everything as long as they either grinded or had a generous friend gift them a pass
lament stream
Eh. They just did a season with the fire as final reward, the swing is too similar, imo.
tawny prairie
yes I’d pay for quests
blazing sail
I don’t like how they keep adding status symbols
livid ice
@sharp violet pretty smart to get money not to think about the players at this point
spark lance
I’m not sure what the best solution is for them to keep money coming in but in my case I just stopped spending money altogether when I realized there were just constantly going to be new items to chase after that were really expensive.
livid ice
Even the shared passes went up
Everything is going up
Soon the game is gonna be a monopoly for them
They need money for sure
But ... more than 10 for just one item is getting a little too high for a mobile game
If sky was 30 - 50 dollars and it didn’t have bugs and I could have everything on a Switch or a PS4 I would get it
The game is being pricier than Nintendo games
And they’re pretty expensive
Not about me I don’t want / need the swing
spark lance
Bottom line, if what they are doing works for them, they’ll keep doing it. It doesn’t work for me so at this point I’m opting out.
livid ice
But If they keep putting prices up a lot of people will quit
blazing sail
The fact that I even bought the Santa hat — that went against everything I believe in but I did it anyway. I don’t like that they’re pushing the limits on how much they can get people out of their comfort zone.
sterile plinth
I gotta say, I share the sentiment with other users here, I honestly want to see more actual content (like perhaps new locations or small things added to the world etc.) rather than separate cosmetics being added for purchase like that. Don't get me wrong, I like cosmetics and collecting them but holy molly, this is too much imo even though I'm down to pay for things like Adventure's Pass when Live comes out for Android. I'd rather the game was even paid on Android cause I'd buy it if there was less focus on things like these IAP like right now.
blazing sail
Like, how badly do you want that swing set that you’ll never be able to get again?
spark lance
Personally I think it is best to get more people willing to pay smaller amounts than few people paying outrageous amounts.
dire rover
It's sad to see TGC falling so far from their grace though. That's one of the major issues for me and why I'm vocal here about it.
unkempt edge
I walk into a paragraphathon
livid ice
But they’re apparently not thinking that way
sharp violet
They’re a small company with a growing fanbase. If they need more money to support their work so be it. The swing is a spell, everyone will get a chance at using it, the price is just for the people who want it permanently. They’ve put in a lot of methods into this game such that paying players can help their nonpaying players enjoy the same thing. Think gifting passes, ||the office||.
livid ice
Cough cough office cape / swing / bat cape / pumpkin that
@sharp violet they shouldn’t use us as a way of getting money
dire rover
They promote friendship and fun, experiences and a different way of playing but haven't implemented that into their most recent game, and have in fact just done the opposite when it comes to adding value to it.
livid ice
I agree they need money but do not abuse
I need money and I don’t abuse of anyone to get it
I do my work
blazing sail
Spells are useless
sharp violet
How should they get money then? Development takes money!
blazing sail
They’re more a tease than anything else
sharp violet
They cannot work if they’re not making a profit, that’s just the reality of business!
livid ice
If they make items Be real money they should do it on a right pricey
They have been making money
Without making things 25 dollars
Their old games are an example
blazing sail
No one said they should work for free, but find a reasonable price for things so you don’t just end up with all these status symbols in a game that’s supposed to make you feel all warm and fuzzy
livid ice
Journey has no seasons or in game things to buy
unkempt edge
The price on the swing is not final for live I don’t think
livid ice
And it made them money
Sky has a lot of people that buys candles everyday to get stuff
blazing sail
Make it $20 for a swing set for you and an extra for a friend.
livid ice
I met someone that spent 500 dollars and 120 dollars to finish with all constellations and this season
sharp violet
Yes because it had an upfront price and it got popular. This game doesn’t have an upfront price
blazing sail
Make the game about sharing again and not just about acquiring things for yourself
livid ice
TGc is still making money
The game is pretty popular at this point
Once it reaches other consoles they’ll get money
Besides
They said the game isn’t even finished yet
On the livestream
They can’t make it that pricey
Server issues still happening ,bugs still happening the game isn’t even one year old yet and is still on a phase
Prices shouldn’t be as high
blazing sail
Before the founders cape and holiday items got added, there was a way for everyone to get everything, as long as they had a generous friend
livid ice
Even founders cape was less money
blazing sail
Now it’s all about buying stuff for yourself so you can show off
empty inlet
Why would you say someone need money without knowing their situations? Will you say Sony need money?
livid ice
I think it was like 20? Then 25 ? Then now 30
I’m sure once they fix all bugs and make it global they’ll make the game for a price why else sky wouldn’t have a price ?because isn’t finish yet
Why is it a mobile game because they’re testing it still
And they getting knew from us so they can keep doin their work
That’s totally fine
But ... abusing our pockets isn’t the way
empty inlet
They want everyone to be able to play Sky, it will be free to download
blazing sail
It was always meant to be a mobile game
livid ice
I mean for PlayStation and switch May cost some type of money at some point
blazing sail
They wanted something that more people could play and more people have smartphones than anything else
I dunno how well that would go down if there’s diff prices on diff platforms
livid ice
Everything was on their plans from the start
Is that I mean
Journey has different prices on different platforms
sharp violet
Mobile games make their money from the .01% of players who are willing to spend everything on a game, like the people who get ultimate rewards day one. That’s the nature of the market. Sky may be indulging in that a bit too much, but I’m not at all surprised. They’ve only put a pay wall in front of some cosmetics, not the things that matter
blazing sail
Journey doesn’t have IAPs tho
Making it full of endless IAPs on one platform and one payment on others is not great
livid ice
Yes true
lusty light
The founders cape has never changed prices
livid ice
From beta to live
dire rover
Dae I think you're missing the point a bit
lusty light
It did not change price in beta
livid ice
I’m not getting to any points I just said what I think
And I thought it did seraph
I thought it was 25 at first
Can’t remember
lusty light
It was always 29.99
sharp violet
Journey had a pricetag, this game is free. Making a game with a one time purchase means in order to make money tgc needs to make an entirely new game in order to make a profit again, a rather daunting business model. IAP allow for them to keep making money off the game while also keeping it updated
dire rover
Even if a game is a mobile game doesn't mean they can just release it unfinished, have weirdly priced cash shop items and still try to say they are respectful of the player and promote their "game based on feelings".
It's like spitting in your face and you're just smiling going "Well they need the money so it's fine". It's not fine, that's the point
lusty light
Journey was also made under a contract with Sony while sky is tgcs first self published game
dire rover
The core game is still free which is nice, the core items are still free which is nice, but the way they're conducting their cash shop is really weird based on their previously stated company values
livid ice
For me is fine they get money ,but is just surprising to see how some people support the idea of them buying a 25 dollar swing seems they have money to pay on pixels :”v
spark lance
I'm all for TGC making money so they don't have to rely on venture capital and can be self-supporting.
sharp violet
There are a lot worse practises sky could be using to make money, but they’re not. There’s no loot boxes, they haven’t made the gameplay unbearably grindy to encourage more purchases, there’s no store popup when they think you may be susceptible to buying more candles, none of that. The things you’re paying for are cosmetics, this game is a social game. They still have my respect as a game company, prices or no.
Oh and there aren’t any advertisements too
spark lance
There's nothing wrong with a game company, any game company, making a profit. You're not required to buy anything in this game; it's all optional.
tawny prairie
Yes everything is optional but the price is still very odd for one item? lol
blazing sail
You can appreciate the game they made and still be critical, not apologetic about every single move they make.
spark lance
That being said, TGC has asked for feedback about the price of the swing.
livid ice
What it worries me is stuff that I do want to buy at some point getting to be more money one day
And it will
If some people keep buying things at 30 dollars
spark lance
Yes, things could potentially get more expensive in the game. You have to decide what works for your budget.
dire rover
What's being discussed here is a good thing as it's not easy to spot when someone is taking advantage of you.
They make somewhat great items, for example the capes of the Season of Gratitude are amazing. But hooking you then baiting you to buy more items is where this breaks down and they're subconciously fooling you into buying more.
Mobile games and the microtransaction economy in a game like Sky is something that has been broken down to the smallest level.
Everything in a mobile game is designed with a specific purpose in mind and when we start to see halloween capes for $25, swings for $25.. they're baiting hard and that is something we should talk about and respond to TGC with.
livid ice
As I said yesterday economy works like that ,as more customers buy it the prices raise because there’s a demand of the item
spark lance
If you object to the price of something, simply provide well-written and constructive feedback without drama or inflammatory remarks. That's the best way to get taken seriously.
sharp violet
And if enough people aren’t buying, price lowers
livid ice
Catch personal Seasonal passes be 20 dollars at some point
sharp violet
If they make something too expensive, they’ll lower it
blazing sail
The price on a specific item won’t drop
The only thing that might change is the next one might be lower
sharp violet
Yes but the next items price will
blazing sail
Which is what I thought happened with the Santa hat
lusty light
They literally raised the price of the price of the season pass bundle (by only 5 dollars) due to player feedback
blazing sail
But here we are again
spark lance
@sharp violet We don't know that's true. It may be wishful thinking.
blazing sail
So 🤷♀️
lusty light
People were upset that being gifted a pass didn’t give them 20 seasonal candles
So they made that change and adjusted the price accordingly
spark lance
Exactly Seraph!!
sharp violet
Frankly I find candles to expensive, I’ll never purchase them
livid ice
But it was their mistake tho when it was 15 and I got my first shared pack I didn’t know why I didn’t get my 20 extra
blazing sail
Changing the pass price is not the same as changing the price on an existing item
spark lance
Everyone finds a comfort point for their own budget.
livid ice
They even said it was their mistake
dire rover
That's true, they did change that.
TGC also stated that the seasonal passes is their core strategy for income
tawny prairie
yes I’m curious where the candle prices come from
blazing sail
They’ve never lowered the price of a holiday item
lusty light
Because the 15 dollars is the price for the pass not coming with candles
spark lance
I want TGC to make lots of money so they will keep making new games.
lusty light
We cannot assume what TGC will do with things they test in beta
Just because we haven’t seen something happen doesn’t mean it never will
sharp violet
And holiday items are too expensive in my eyes, I’ll never buy them at their current price
spark lance
So that's all ok not to buy stuff if you can't afford it.
sharp violet
Also yea this stuff is in beta it’s totally subject to change
spark lance
Nothing wrong with sitting some items out.
tawny bough
I'm still reeling from the bat cape price But I also want them to succeed as a company
blazing sail
Yes but we shouldn’t expect something to change just because it’s beta, if there’s no previous experience to base it on.
tawny prairie
well I was hurt they kept the bat cape as expensive as is - 20$ for a cape is weird. I can afford it but I don’t support it
sharp violet
That’s true too
dire rover
For me the issue rises more eyebrows when they openly cater to the whale players when they're already in a state where their game is the most popular and best regarded on the appstore on iOS.
spark lance
There's no specific pattern from beta to live, so we can't assume.
dire rover
Beta is more "release test ground" than a strict beta
lusty light
You should expect things to change because it is beta
blazing sail
We could hope, but it’s silly to keep saying “it’s beta” or “it’s a placeholder.” Right now, this is the price. Until we hear otherwise, there’s no reason to expect it to be any price other than $25.
tawny prairie
I want them to do well but I shouldn’t have to support weird pricing ideas in lue of that
lusty light
Beta is literally the “nothing is final” version of the game
dire rover
There are plenty of fish mammals in the sea. But not all fish mammals are the same – some are simply better than others. In the past few years, the term “whales” has been used to describe a tiny group of users (around 2%) that drives the most revenue for mobile apps and game publishers.
blazing sail
That means it can change, not that we should expect it to.
stoic badger
@dire rover Id argue its problem when they have been very clear about how they want to be ethical
That being said this is the first time im hearing about this IAP
tawny bough
I feel like they'd make a lot more money if they lowered their prices though-- the 20$ price tag on the cape intimidated a lot of people out of buying it
tawny prairie
I bought the founders cape to support them 
sharp violet
That’s probably tru
tawny bough
If it was 10$ or something, more people would've bought it and they'd have raked in a higher profit, I theorize
tawny prairie
I think it’s 15$ usd
blazing sail
Just because it’s beta, I shouldn’t expect the swing to become a pet dragon instead.
livid ice
@tawny prairie is 19.99 UsD
dire rover
They also have a hidden whale item in the office secret area, a founders cape that gives you a stack of candles and a cyan/TGC colored cape with a black inside for a very high cost
tawny prairie
dune you think it’s okay that one item is the price of a whole game?
sharp violet
I’m just going to buy season passes, they’re the only thing that I find reasonably priced for what you get
spark lance
No idea what you're asking there corgi
tawny prairie
I understand you want to support them, I do too but I’m confused about your ethics stand point?
spark lance
Sky is free so not sure what you mean about the price of the game
livid ice
Like u can actually buy a whole console game rather than a 30 dollar item
U could get Zelda for Nintendo 3ds with that money ... that’s what corgi means
XD
stoic badger
Theres many awesome indie games out there
livid ice
Or some play station game
tawny prairie
The sims 4 sells stuff packs with 30 items (the same mesh type stuff) for 15$
spark lance
My personal ethics standpoint is not important here. I support TGC's ethical standpoint and their need to make a profit.
tawny prairie
I can’t grasp this concept of single items for those prices
dire rover
I don't think dune is very into the psychology of how the microtransactions of a game like Sky, with a publisher like ThatGameCompany affects the overall thought of TGC by their playerbase. Just my two cents on that.
tawny prairie
They make profit though?
Are they not making enough money? If they aren’t making enough money and that’s why everything is expensive then
spark lance
LOL ....
stoic badger
So making assumptions that this is necessary is unfounded
We can only act as players of this game
lusty light
You shouldn’t assume what others know about things, let alone write it in a disrespectful manner like that @dire rover
spark lance
I agree, Seraph. That's quite disrespectful Starflame and you don't have a clue frankly.
dire rover
For me there wouldn't be a problem if TGC simply stated that "We will be releasing certain items for a higher price to make a little extra cheddar for certain events". But they haven't done that and they're adding items now and then that seem to add little value but are high cost to their cash shop.
That's true I don't know dune
It does however feel like that's what you're getting at when you're not voicing your own preferences in a discussion like this
stoic badger
I dont think its disrespectful to just state that he’s not really analysing anything
It’s just apparent
spark lance
Hahahaha ... 
If you only knew ....
tawny prairie
...it just feels like your laughing at us?
dire rover
You're keeping the community shepherd role close imo
stoic badger
You can analyze and talk with us if you want, I mean
dire rover
Not that there's anything wrong with that
tawny prairie
I’m all for discussing things and thinking things through, we all just want to understand
lusty light
It is disrespectful to have someone state their opinion and then basically tell them they don’t know what they’re talking about because they don’t agree with you
dire rover
But what you project is what others show, and they will assume based on that
stoic badger
Starflame didnt say their opinion was invalid though
He just said he wasn’t digging into anything with his comments
spark lance
Have a good day all! Hope you find time to enjoy Sky.
stoic badger
o//
dire rover
I think when someone is deliberately dismissing the questions at hand and avoiding "taking sides", even though this isn't taking sides it's discussing an aspect of a videogame where money is involved, it's not disrespectful to say what I said.
But if you want to have a voice you need to speak up
In a way, this is obviously my opinion: I think it's more disrespectful to release a cosmetic item that's priced at $25 dollars to a playerbase where you are labeled disrespectful when talking about what you see written in chat haha
blazing sail
Someone else yesterday also kept saying something like they think the price is high but also that TGC should do what they want/need and I was screaming internally.
simple willow
Y’all are still talking about this????
stoic badger
It’s why I dont often discuss games in chats like these, I want people to analyze and dig into problems
tawny prairie
It is beta, it’s the only thing new
bright schooner
My dudes. It's beta and nothing is finalized. Chill.
tawny prairie
other than any bugs I haven’t see yet
blazing sail
If you don’t have an opinion either way, why chime in at all?
dire rover
The reason we're here is because we value the game that TGC has released, so I don't find any of this disrespectful or outrageous to talk about. We're just doing that, talking about it.
lunar zealot
The swing might be new in beta, but are we going to forget the fact that they reactivated the season for a bit, now we can finish more that we didn’t get to finish
stoic badger
@bright schooner Im pretty chill, but it’s pretty weird that all the stuff theyve released has had high initial prices that they’ve then had to step down from.
It doesn’t seem like they’re particularly aware of their playerbase in their pricing initially
tawny prairie
They didn’t add in candle bunches?
blazing sail
Only a bit, Em. I lost 10 candles when the season ended, so I won’t get much from these few days.
bright schooner
Also if you were an artist and asked to value your literal work hours put into a thing... just saying.
dire rover
Also if communities didn't converse and discuss there would be huge balance issues in games like League of Legends, Overwatch and even Clash of Clans.