beta-discussion

[spark lance]

When I see a krill hit is imminent, I just quit the game and return

[weak marsh]

I just use bugs to avoid them

I really wish their light raycasted, that’s sort of the whole point of sentry lights in video games
so you can see where it’s safe to hide

[long moon]

Oo will keep that in mind, does the extra wait to teleport also apply to teleporting home in normal areas? Or is it only noticeable when oob? 😮 lol I’ve never forced quit the game before

[weak marsh]

it’s only noticeable always :p

[spark lance]

Yes the teleport time seems to be consistent anywhere

[empty inlet]

you still can go home by quit the game anyway

[weak marsh]

it seems to apply everywhere, it’s worst when you need to leave quick though

yea but that’s just a pain

[empty inlet]

so i really don't see what's good with graying the home icon out

[spark lance]

I think we’ll adjust though to thise couple extra seconds

[long moon]

interesting xD will just have to get used to it then ^

[weak marsh]

longer warp doesn’t really fix the problem as if it’s bad as losing stars it’s better to close the app anyway

[empty inlet]

to be honest with such a long time before you can go home using an actually in-game feature, it cost almost the same time if you quit the game and reopen it

[spark lance]

warp is different than teleport

warp is the friend gift to join them holding hands on the same level

[weak marsh]

oh yea forgot about that

[spark lance]

teleport is to a level

[weak marsh]

yea I meant teleport then
I’m just lazy so I typed warp

Yea it’s the same time but no TGC startup sound

it’s not a bad startup I just hear it too much

and have associated it with oh no the game closed after leaving it in the background now I have to walk back to where I left off

huh I’m not seeing any candles on the ship

[torn gust]

yeah you cant go home in the rain

or in the water or while flying

while flying im more ok with bc i imagine that maybe some nastier players would drop teleport home while holding peoples hands above a krill or something

[empty inlet]

you still can by quitting the game

[torn gust]

but the water and flying is something im not really into the changes of not being able to port home

[spark lance]

sometimes drops just happen

[torn gust]

maybe itll just take some getting used to though but it is a bit of a pain if you're trying to stay with a friend group but you cant teleport home with them bc maybe youre stuck in the rain or whatnot

[peak oyster]

I’m confused. Where can seasonal candles be found today?

[spare falcon]

they are found in the river area of hidden forest i believe

[peak oyster]

Thanks!

[spark lance]

Shush and Piggyback capes look almost identical now. What gives?

[tawny osprey]

Agree with the comment above about krill lights ray-casting. The fact that it goes through walls makes it really hard to tell where you are safe and where you aren't

[sterile parrot]

I’m surprised the warp changes have stayed, has everyone reported that they don’t like it if you don’t want it?

[rich wolf]

We’re there any “stances” in winter

[dusky agate]

Does anyone know how i can send heart hits back to someone?

Bits*

[torn gust]

@dusky agate just light their star!

[dusky agate]

I received it from a few players but all i can see is to send light

[torn gust]

yeah its a new update as of last night

[dusky agate]

But will it not send light instead of hearts?

[torn gust]

wording might be changed later

itll send heart bits 🙂

[dusky agate]

Because i got one that was light and three that was hearts

[sterile parrot]

It’s confusing because it still looks like you’re sending light but it is all heart hbts now

[torn gust]

make sure you updater the game!

[dusky agate]

I did!

[torn gust]

then you will probably be sending heart bits

[dusky agate]

I’ll try i just would feel bad for sending light when they sent hearts. Thank you!

[torn gust]

try sending to a friend and if they get light then submit as a bug!

[sterile parrot]

Youll possibly still be getting light for a day while others update

[dusky agate]

Ohhh okay i understand!

[rich wolf]

Q: was there a winter “stance”

[torn gust]

but thats how friends are sending heart pieces to you, is by lighting your star

[peak oyster]

So weird why they did away with the prettier umbrella

[dusky agate]

Wait they changed the umbrella??

[sterile parrot]

What did they change?

[torn gust]

@rich wolf https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/Winter_2018

[sterile parrot]

Oh I didn’t know that winter was on the live server. I hope they don’t use that as an excuse to not do it again because probably close to everyone wasn’t there for that

[torn gust]

Ive heard the umbrellas were bugged but if not i think the seasonal one will still be there

somehow obtainable

its in the artwork and everything!

and its a very popular item

so i wouldnt worry about it being removed 😄

[peak oyster]

The umbrella with the lights isn’t in the constellation anymore from what I can tell? Just the plain one. Maybe they made it the reward once you collect everything?

[torn gust]

@sterile parrot ive heard winder will be coming back!

thats my theory too paloma

unless somehow things are just bugged

and the seasonal one accidentally got replaced

[rich wolf]

I think stances will come back

[torn gust]

but otherwise if it was intentional then im guessing itll be the end reward

[peak oyster]

I got the pretty umbrella first so I still happen to have it, so yeah. I’ll stick with the end reward theory

[rich wolf]

Mask though

The mask is good

[peak oyster]

After the update, I automatically got the plain umbrella

[torn gust]

yeah my friend did as well

might be worth submitting as a bug via testflight or ingame support

contact us option

[peak oyster]

How interesting

If they replaced the constellation where I got the umbrella with lights with this one, that’s probably why.

Or I should say emote shop

[lusty light]

@sterile parrot they said winter is coming back, just like how gratitude ran before launch and ran a second time after launch

[peak oyster]

Yay!

[sterile parrot]

Oh cool, that’s great. I didn’t know that gratitude had an earlier live launch too

[devout edge]

Anyone beta testers have an opinion on the new emotes and cosmetics yet?

[spark lance]

Can a mod clarify this? Is this saying that we can no longer send full hearts to people?:

Wax gifts in the constellation friendship menu have been replaced with heart wax (partial heart) gifts. It’s now possible to forge hearts from these partial heart gifts.
"```

[rich tundra]

The cosmetics are a different color to what they were advertised as, but they’re still great

[empty inlet]

you still can send full hearts to people

[brazen flicker]

There’s one emote that I’ve been using a lot! Some of the mask cosmetics seem to be changing designs slightly as tgc tweaks things prior to live release, so it’ll be interesting to see what the final designs are. I totally love the umbrellas.

[rich tundra]

I’d rather see them green than purple but oh well

[brazen flicker]

@spark lance I can still send full hearts!

[empty inlet]

that replaced the gift that give your friend some wax

now it become a part of a full heart

[spark lance]

good; i would have considered leaving if they attempted to reduce the heart trading more

nice to see that as a change tho!

[brazen flicker]

I think this will actually increase people’s ability to gain hearts

[empty inlet]

how you gonna get heart if they cancel it

[spark lance]

exactly why im happy

[urban grove]

What is "catch the light in hidden forest" quest?

[devout edge]

You still have to give candles to gift hearts though right?

[tidal veldt]

@devout edge yes

[devout edge]

Well I don’t really see a difference in the change then

[torn gust]

@urban grove try looking around the entrance to hidden forest!

like where you open the gate

[empty inlet]

ummm i think you guys misunderstand something

you have three ways to gain hearts now

[torn gust]

@devout edge so you used to collect light from friends, now it gives u pieces of a heart

but friends can also give you hearts

AND you can buy them from spirits

kanpais right in that theres three ways now!

[devout edge]

Oh

[empty inlet]

in person with three candles, through constellation with three candles, through constellation with everyday gift (part of a whole heart)

[torn gust]

the heart fragments from the constellation take a little longer to fill up compared to friends gifting you a whole heart but

its a nice addition

[devout edge]

Wait hang on wdym by collecting the light from friends

[torn gust]

remember how you would get on and collect the sparkles

from the stars in the sky?

[lusty light]

Don’t forget 10 likes from a message candle gives a heart

[torn gust]

and how when you would gather the sparkles on the friend's star, it would fill up your candle?

its that, but now it fills up a heart meter thatll give you a heart once its full

also thats right seraph I forgot!

so 4 ways now to get hearts

[urban grove]

Ooh thanks Pines

[torn gust]

np!! youll see the 'light' if you keep an eye out around that area 😄

[devout edge]

😦

I see now

[urban grove]

I must have missed it while recollecting stars haha

[devout edge]

How many fragments do you need until it fills up?

[empty inlet]

no one knows

[torn gust]

no one knows yet ton ton as it only got changed about 12 hours ago haha

[devout edge]

Well hopefully it’ll come with the new season

[torn gust]

but the working theory is that it will take anywhere from 30-90 people

to fill it up

[devout edge]

I’m getting more and more desperate for that fireworks staff everyday.... 👀

[torn gust]

i think im about a quarter full already in beta?

let me check and i can also check how many friends i have in beta too to get an idea

[brazen flicker]

I’m about halfway to a new heart, and I think I’ve gotten 20ish heart sparkles from friends. But I haven’t been counting, so take that with a grain of salt.

[devout edge]

I’ve only acquired 5 daily trading partners, the staff is almost in my grasp

The cosmetics in the new season look a little piratey and or 18th 17th century clothes?

And then there’s also a new voice call right

[torn gust]

i have 35 friends in beta but not everyone who im friends with has gotten on so i think Pandas estimate is pretty close

[brazen flicker]

Yeah! There’s a crab call.

I’ll try to count heart sparkles once the heart container resets to empty. I just got excited when the update happened and started clicking stuff 😁

[devout edge]

Seems counterintuitive to have a call from a creature of darkness, unless crabs were also light creatures once

[long moon]

@torn gust 30-90 X’D I hope it’s closer to 30

[keen turtle]

The crab call flips them though

[torn gust]

haha itd be nice for sure!! i think someone suggested 90 cause thats how many people it takes to give you 3 candles just from friend light

all calls flip the crabs!

but thats an interesting thought tonton!!

[devout edge]

I’d imagine it sounds pretty gnarly though

[torn gust]

it kinda sounds like a little scream 😂 its funny

[long moon]

Oo 3 candles, than 30 should give you 1 full heart then - that is if the wax amount from before is proportionate to the amount of heart fragments you get now

Also it (crab call) sounds like you’re asking a question

[brisk vortex]

I’m looking at the pinned messages for this chat and I have two questions:

1. There’s a piggyback option in this game?
2. What is the light seeker and where can I find them?

[torn gust]

yep piggyback is one of the new actions given by this season! its great

[long moon]

1. It’s a new friend interaction you can get from 2. Lightseeker the name of the new seasonal they are testing in beta atm

[brisk vortex]

Is piggyback a interaction you can unlock with a friend?

[torn gust]

yes its a friend interaction

[brisk vortex]

gasp I can’t wait to unlock it with one of my friends!

[brazen flicker]

It’s so cute

[whole sundial]

and can be funny

[limber falcon]

how many ascended candles does one need to unlock each part of the friend tree? I just held onto 7 of them without redeeming them just in case... I assume it goes 1-2-3

[dry pivot]

I think it was 1 and 2 for the stem and 2 for a branch (warp)

5 in total

[wanton compass]

The trout call emote has an umbrella on its back that I was just about to buy and I went and checked today and it’s no longer available :(

[tardy dove]

i saw a while back some one got both umbrellas when they bought the seasonal one? idk

[wanton compass]

Oh! Okay, I’ll go for that then.

[tardy dove]

either way you'll have an umbrella at least haha

[blazing sail]

Wait what? Did they raise the cost of warp? It was 1 before.

[torn gust]

yes @blazing sail i think its 2 now (which is technically what it cost before, cause u had to unlock the friend tree before)

but now i think itll cost....i think 4-5 ascended candles in total

including unlocking parts of the friend tree

[sterile parrot]

Geez

Guess it’s good that I have wasp unlocked with the friends I want to use it with. I guess they are seeing that a lot of us don’t have a use for ascended candles after ascending all of the spirits but rather than more expense it’d be better to add more function

Like have a spirit or shrine that lets you convert 5 ascended candles into one heart or something

[blazing sail]

That’s insane

I was hoping to be able to take a break from Eden now that all my spirits are ascended and you’re telling me each friendship will need 5? GTFO

[sterile parrot]

Yeah it’s excessive. I hate in both games and life artificially inflating currency

If they want us to run Eden more it should be because we are getting something, not because something we already have costs more suddenly

[blazing sail]

I honestly hate the developers right now

I’m so mad hearing that

[sterile parrot]

I don’t hate them but they are making some bad decisions

[spark lance]

I wonder how many of those complaining about Ascended Candles being "useless" after the constellations realize this is the kind of thing that gives them one.

[blazing sail]

I thought they added 1 tier, so I would need 1 extra candle for each friend

This is ridiculous I’m sorry

[sterile parrot]

That doesn’t give them a use though

It just makes people have to do more work for something they already have

[blazing sail]

I never complained about them being useless because I don’t want to do Eden runs every week for the rest of my life

[spark lance]

I'm getting really bored of Sky, gotta be honest. And I am fed up with the bugs that affect candle rewards and other pay-outs to players.

[blazing sail]

My god

[sterile parrot]

If they want us to run Eden more then they should give us a reason to

[blazing sail]

This game should not be a full time job

It’s small and yet they want us to play it over and over and over and over to unlock things

Omg

[spark lance]

No one in their right mind would willingly, let alone electively, subject themselves to Eden.

[blazing sail]

I’m so mad

[weary mason]

Eden is too chaotic when you have no friends c,:

[warm timber]

Yep

[sterile parrot]

I’m mostly upset because this game has such huge potential and right from the start changes are made to make things worse than the starting point. Some things improve too but the base mechanics seems to be tweaked in ways that hurt the game

[blazing sail]

Eden is not fun on the 30th run. None of this is

Why can’t we just relax and enjoy stuff. Why can’t I piggyback with friends without first going through the same stupid stuff 1000 times?

God

I think that’s enough to push me away honestly

[sterile parrot]

They have to realize that when we are out of content all that is left is friendship and cosmetics. Making it harder to do both of those things will drive players away

[blazing sail]

If a friend wasn’t gifting me the season I would probably just hang up my cape to save myself all this wasted time

Maybe I will anyway

I see our time is of no value to them

They don’t respect us

[spark lance]

Dunno that I'd be so dissatisfied if the devs didn't seem so incredibly tone-deaf to grinders while requiring that for anyone who actually wants to see this game through in anything approaching a dedicated or even enthusiastic way.

[blazing sail]

Yeah I think I just lost all interest in the game

[sterile parrot]

I don’t know if they’ll care who leaves due to changes like that. With android coming in and future platforms they will have enough people buying 30 dollar capes and 20 dollar pianos to pay the bills

I know that sounds callous but that is the bottom line

[blazing sail]

It’s not right to depend on friends to earn all the ascended candles and I’m not continuing my runs every week just for that. So the one thing I was looking forward to — more fun with friends — just became pretty much unattainable

I know you’re right

But Apple Arcade is coming this week and I may just have to cut my losses and move on

[spark lance]

Exactly my thinking.

I was about to say not only is it that they don't seem to value our time, but that they seem to think have no competition for our time!

[blazing sail]

I was actually excited about the piggyback stuff bc I thought they were maybe listening. Clearly they’re not

[sterile parrot]

I wish the game started like this because it has been disappointing to see both cosmetics and friendships made harder and harder to achieve

[blazing sail]

They don’t see how burnt out so many of us are on the grind

[sterile parrot]

If it was like this from the start it would still be bad but at least we wouldn’t have had to see it all be taken away

[blazing sail]

Most of my friends are tired of it

[spark lance]

What baffles me is that after over half a decade of development, the grind is so incredibly tiny yet drawn-out, and so extremely little to do but grind has been offered.

[blazing sail]

Yup

[sterile parrot]

Well they did overhaul everything in beta

So a lot of that time didn’t make it into what we have now

[blazing sail]

Replay the same four areas every day. And they got us doing it, too.

Friends that played and loved the really early beta don’t even play the current version bc of the grind

[orchid nexus]

I played and loved the early beta

[blazing sail]

I wasn’t lucky enough to get in that early to see it

[sterile parrot]

Apparently they just stopped listening to beta players when a lot of these problematic things were introduced

[orchid nexus]

still playing and loving the improvements

[spark lance]

I can barely drag myself through beta now just to get seasonals and jumbo bundles.

[blazing sail]

A friend kept trying to get me in but even after getting an email, the TestFlight invite didn’t come until like a month before release.

Same, Philo

[orchid nexus]

still along for the ride as things shape up, but it's a small team, and it always takes longer than we expect

[blazing sail]

Been doing my live runs for light, mostly with friends, but I really don’t want to

[sterile parrot]

All I’ve been doing in live is going oob in every area with a friend

[blazing sail]

Was doing it mostly bc i have several friends sending me hearts and I wanted to be able to keep sending back

[sterile parrot]

That is legitimately all that is interesting and fun right now, and the normal play I do in beta to look for bugs

Yeah same here

[blazing sail]

Oob?

[sterile parrot]

But then the heart changes happened and many stopped playing

[spark lance]

I know this is probably economic suicide, but I'm of the opinion they should put other platforms on hold until they have a viable game on their hands.

[orchid nexus]

as for grinding, if it's hard or a drain, don't do it! wait for an update, test what's in the release notes, and move on

[sterile parrot]

Oob = our of bounds. There are a lot of interesting areas that you have to glitch through to get to

[blazing sail]

That’s just it — the whole “don’t do it or move on” — that’s what we’re saying. We’re all gonna move on

[sterile parrot]

Although beta has removed some access to them

[blazing sail]

Bc we want to be able to just log in on our own schedule when we feel like it but that’s not really possible

You can’t get anywhere like that

Now Eden runs are required just for some silly fun with friends

God

[orchid nexus]

beta players more than most probably, if you have the mindset that you're obligated to grind fast

[spark lance]

I don't have the mindset that I have to grind fast for beta. And I still loathe it. 😕

[empty inlet]

I have to say, one-hand control mode is worse than ever, i've never seen improvement on this "original" control

[orchid nexus]

Eden runs are no more required than any other part of the game.

[spark lance]

The grind is un-fun, and there's too little to do otherwise 🙁

[sterile parrot]

We are obligated to grind to make friends and get cosmetics though, well except for hearts which are all but inaccessible in live. That is what is left when the content is spent.

[blazing sail]

I finally got my table but I can’t really master the new harder-to-glitch table so not even finding that fun. Wish I got to enjoy it before it was “fixed”

To say Eden isn’t required when they just added friend upgrades that require 5 ascended candles... come on

[sterile parrot]

And if ascended candles are being inflated that much, that’s a direction with the friend tree that I don’t like to see because again all we have are friendships and cosmetics for content. Limiting them won’t make people want to play

[blazing sail]

Either you or your friends are gonna have to earn those candles

Someone has to do Eden runs

[orchid nexus]

It's not required. You can play without those things. If you really don't want to go through that level, then I completely understand why you don't want to play the game. I look forward to going through eden.

[blazing sail]

The content is locked behind a grind. I can’t use the emotes and stuff without grinding. So it’s either grind or just move on to games that respect my time.

[sterile parrot]

If it isn’t required then what is left, chatting? Grinding with a friend?

[blazing sail]

I can chat with friends on social media

[sterile parrot]

The friend tree is content and content is slim so people will want to work on it

[orchid nexus]

I mean you can say "grind" about anything you want. What game do you play where you just get all the things and don't have to work toward anything?

[blazing sail]

I just want to piggyback with friends without having to devote my life to the fame to earn it

Not sure why that’s so much to ask

[sterile parrot]

If they start inflating the cost of the friend tree then it is definitely asking for a grind

[blazing sail]

But I guess you’re fine with a game demanding all your time

[orchid nexus]

once through eden is enough to get like 4 or 5 friends piggybacking.

[blazing sail]

*game not fame

[sterile parrot]

Games can fairly demand your time by not having you repeat the same 4/5 levels to access its features

Lots of games have figured out how to do that

[blazing sail]

You just 5 candles. you don’t get 20-25 candles from a run

[sterile parrot]

And if the levels are few then there are fair ways to let people advance

[blazing sail]

I’m also tired of people defending the grind, honesty

[spark lance]

I see TGC as shooting themselves in the foot inflating Eden friendship requirements. People can't buy Eden candles, the game is funnest with friends, and they're making it harder to enjoy for not even their own potential financial gain, simply lengthening the outlay of effort required, for what reason I cannot imagine given Eden is the most unpleasant part of the entire experience and takes longest to even progress at all since it's only clearable once a week. If they think that will encourage player engagement, I think they're sorely mistaken.

[orchid nexus]

I get 15 candles in one eden run, take 5 friends, and that's 75 total

[sterile parrot]

But increasing costs while not offering more in the process isn’t fair imo

[orchid nexus]

that's enough to unlock some piggybacks

[blazing sail]

I guess your friends all have no other responsibilities and the exact same schedule as you

But I usually end up going with 1-2 people at the most. And I’m honestly just done

You don’t seem to be hearing me

[torn gust]

im in the camp where im actually glad to have more options to spend my eden candles on, but im also someone who likes doing eden as well...i can see both sides

[sterile parrot]

People are not going to be happy when more is asked of them for no benefit to them

[blazing sail]

I was looking forward to the upgrades and now all I see it as is more grinding. Bleach

Blech

[orchid nexus]

you don't have to like the game. I don't understand the aversion to eden. If you're playing any other levels you get your stars back.

[sterile parrot]

That’s the grind though!

[spark lance]

This would be easier to take if friend matching were much better, and also friends weren't constantly kicked and/or broken away. But even then...

[orchid nexus]

it is if you don't like the game.

[torn gust]

cause once you get the elders, or even just the elders you want, eden does become kind of pointless as far as rewards go. so im actually fairly happy to see more things to unlock with the eden candles as more of a reward for me doing it weekly

[blazing sail]

It’s the same small game over and over and over

[sterile parrot]

I love the game but I don’t want to rinse and repeat getting stars back as a requirement to unlock the SAME friend features I previously could get for less

[torn gust]

since im one of the weird ones i guess who likes eden 😂

[blazing sail]

Eh whatever. I’m just gonna move on like you suggested and play some of the 100 Apple Arcade games free of IAPs

[torn gust]

might be good to take a break from it Appunwrapper

its easy to get burnt out on stuff too and maybe taking a break and coming back when theres potentially new levels added

or new content

[spark lance]

Right. A break. From an endless grinding game. Like it would ever make any sense to come back.

[torn gust]

it could breathe life back into the game for you

[sterile parrot]

People who leave grinding games don’t come back

[torn gust]

thats fair then! you did it and you tried it and it wasnt for you

good to submit feedback to the team about the nature of it cause maybe we'll get changes to the grind as a result

[sterile parrot]

When they leave they realize how much time was being spent on something that netted very little benefit to them. That is why devs for these games need to be smart and treat players well

Because there’s a very fine line between players feeling like they are accomplishing something fairly and like they are not getting enough for their time

[spark lance]

I disagree with that characterization. The game is for me, or could have been. That's why I'm frustrated as opposed to merely disinterested, and writing here about it instead of simply ignoring the thing (which I'm very close to doing anyway).

[orchid nexus]

It sounds like you might have started with the mindset of "all the things," which I do think would be a quick way to burn out.

[torn gust]

that is true northpaul @ the fine line between accomplishment and grinding. as someone who also runs a game with rewards given for participation and stuff its REALLY tricky figuring out that balance

[sterile parrot]

“All the things” would be expecting to unlock everything with no time or work invested. I think it’s a little unfair to say that’s what people are asking for here

[torn gust]

i think thats why i do kinda give leeway a bit to the developers for them trying to figure it out because having a game of a couple thousand during beta i think is different that the reported 1 million players in live currently. issues can arise they didnt expect

[orchid nexus]

that's not what I'm saying. By "all the things" I mean seeing that as the goal of the game.

[torn gust]

i had a tricky time finalizing the grind vs accomplishment line in my own game i have and i only have about 600 players haha

much less 1 million

[sterile parrot]

Yeah I realize they are trying to figure it out. Otherwise I’d be gone already, I am hoping they will realize before it’s too late how to best approach these issues

But I’m also worried that they won’t care because enough will buy the really expensive iap that they won’t need to listen to concerns

That is the danger with freemium games

[torn gust]

(question, whats iap?)

[worldly osprey]

(in app purchase)

[sterile parrot]

In app purchases

[orchid nexus]

so, i'm not at all suggesting anyon'e playing the wrong way, or should enjoy things they don't. I can see that the folks making this game care about it and care about the players

[torn gust]

thanks!!

[sterile parrot]

Like enough people who buy a 30 dollar cape and it doesn’t matter what people think

[spark lance]

Agreed as far as it goes, Alex, but for me even without goal orientation, the game just offers so little. Flying with the mantas above Prairie temple is literally the only activity explicitly provided for in the world just because it's so fun. Everything else is emotes and cosmetics that require others' significant involvement.

[torn gust]

i think you guys are valid in your concerns though for sure. i think some of the best things we can do is leave that feedback about the balance and hope that it helps the devs figure things out

[orchid nexus]

considering the small size of the team, and the large demands on them, where can you all see them putting the most productive effort into making replay value better for you?

[torn gust]

one thing to note is they are a small game studio

yeah

[sterile parrot]

Yeah there aren’t a lot of them and they have a lot on their plates

[torn gust]

its not something like blizzard where they have quite a fair amount of employees, so i think things take a little longer as a result (aka why some bugs still persist. im hoping with the money they are generating from sky purchases they can hire some more game engineers and a larger team!)

[sterile parrot]

I hope that they can see that seemingly small changes in how progress is achieved and really be taken negatively by the player base when they have so much they are working on

[torn gust]

i do think they have our best interests at heart and they keep mentioning how they want to promote friendship

[spark lance]

Limited production bandwidth is one thing; gravely misguided design decisions and prioritizing them above player QoL are quite another, in my book.

[sterile parrot]

“Promoting friendship” is what really gets me because a lot of changes seem to actively work against making friends

[torn gust]

mhmm. i plan on submitting feedback about the candle grind myself actually in sky cause it does feel a little too grindy for my tastes (especially with piggyback costing something like 6 regular candles by itself, im dirt poor in Live 😂 )

[blazing sail]

I’m not even complaining about the beta. I don’t know how the number of beta players matters. They have plenty of people playing for months now who have been complaining about the grind.

[torn gust]

so finding a way to increase the amount of candles but also not dissuade people from buying packs if they want to, because as a company in order to keep the game running and new games coming they do have to have a way to make money

so finding that balance is really hard. as a team who likely wants to make the experience enjoyable but also have bills to pay, finding that balance between the two is likely pretty hard

[orchid nexus]

so here are phases I've gone through:

• all new, exciting
• new stuff in patches woohoo
• downtime when things have been explored.... GLITCHING YEAH!
• more patches... hmm grind?
• GLITCHING!!!
• woops along the way I made a bunch of cool friends
• waiting for updates, not playing much...
• more glitching
• shouting at butterflies
• beta reset, live game launch
• hanging with friends, watching the moths flutter past
• collect some things, but whatever if it takes forever.

[torn gust]

i DO like that they are listening to players about hearts though, the new update in beta about the heart wax does seem like theyre focusing on making that less grindy

also rewards you for friending players more too

[sterile parrot]

That seems both good and bad. It promotes more nameless friendship compared to being able to randomly send hearts to anyone

[torn gust]

yeah thats true...i think people though kinda already did nameless friendship before though with heart trades

[sterile parrot]

I think they really messed up with that first heart change because that was a great way to meet new people

[torn gust]

(im one of them..i definitely friended some people with cool outfits just with intent to trade hearts back when i started. so i was doing some nameless friending just because i wanted hearts already)

[orchid nexus]

And some of you have said a fwe times that players are being ignored, or that it's getting harder to do friend interactions. I don't see that at all. more options in the friend tree? great! more things to spend ascended candles on after you've already unlocked all the spirits? fantastic!

[half kestrel]

does anyone know what "Catch the light in Hidden Forest" means?

[torn gust]

JADE

[tough quest]

I was in the old beta forever and to be honest I think there was an overcorrection in the economy. Several times, honestly, and the effect has been to make everything much harder to get. When a single item can take weeks of casual play, the game seems less fun and lighthearted, and less focused on interacting with friends, more on rushing through levels collecting

[spark lance]

Glitching and downtime are your primary components in that list. I don't see anything about just spending time with friends in the actual game. Because there's literally almost nothing to do in it that isn't grinding for the umpteenth time. 😕

[sterile parrot]

Heart traders would just upgrade to hug though - it seems like only those who liked to send hearts randomly were punished. When I’d get a random heart I’d go teleport to them if possible and try to hang out. That’s not possible now

[half kestrel]

pines :^)

[orchid nexus]

yeah, theres a flying floaty light orb thing to fly near

[half kestrel]

you booger

[orchid nexus]

@spark lance the friend stuff came along. I could have listed that in every step because that's the only part that makes it all really fun for me

[torn gust]

i sent u a pic in dm jade

[half kestrel]

thanks 👌

[blazing sail]

I was annoyed that I had to chase down a close friend to upgrade to hug just because we hadn’t thought to do it

[tough quest]

I'm also hoping some of the corrections people asked for, like ascended candle uses and friend tree expansion eventually get some more depth and fun when they have time to create more content.

[torn gust]

i like that they decreased the heart sending thing back to just high five

[sterile parrot]

Me too but that’s still not enough for random kindness and meeting people based off of it

[blazing sail]

I wanted to send her hearts and couldn’t until we met up and upgraded. We added each other through an invite link and I had forgotten I can’t just send those friends hearts. So frustrating

[spark lance]

OK, Alex, I can grant you that for yourself. Unfortunately, that is an experience accessible to a vanishingly small fraction of the playerbase due to server separation, grinding, and friend-mismatching issues.

[orchid nexus]

I think you're overstating those things. I've made new friends in live and beta in the same way as before

[lusty light]

I’m just gonna say that they didn’t change the heart system to discourage heart trading or whatever, they did it to stop people from botting

[tough quest]

Would that have had a significant impact on botting though?

[lusty light]

Yes

[sterile parrot]

They hurt the game in the process imo and should have addressed it differently based off of their statement about promoting friendship

[spark lance]

It's OK, Alex. You're too close to it. You don't see what it's like for someone who didn't start in the original beta from way back when.

[sterile parrot]

The heart change really did make the friend constellation faceless.

[tough quest]

Honestly looking at the pattern of peoples' issues overall I think the message is pretty positive in my view. The devs are pretty responsive. However, with a small team, quick fixes sometimes arent perfect. But they are trying

[spark lance]

I completely agree with Seraph, however I also think the game offers too little at too high a frustration level.

[sterile parrot]

Just resources, tap the candle, repeat the next day. Collect the light or block them if they don’t send light enough

[orchid nexus]

but here's an experiment for those who are burned out on the grind: ignore the candles, the hearts, the closets. go in the game and find someone, whether it's an old friend or new. do something with them for 10 or 15 minutes that's not candle farming. choose anything. like... walk slowly. fly higher than is useful. whatever. but try a session where you don't have a goal.

[blazing sail]

Sometimes it seems like they’re listening (the Prairie skip and darkness) and then they go and add to the grind and I’m just like naaaaaaahhh

[sterile parrot]

How many players are there to find who want that though? That’s a very narrow goal in the game and I’m guessing the time it’d take to find someone to just go flying would be quite high

[torn gust]

theres also the longevity of the game to think of too i think...just to address another side. Im sure the team is worried about people going through the game too fast and then being sad about there not being new content. Maybe they overcompensated bc of that worry by making it a little too grindy for those candles??

I actually havent had much trouble with that northpaul!!

[lusty light]

A few days ago when I got my umbrella I met up with miyuki and we walked through forest really slow on a “romantic date” and it was really fun 🥰

[blazing sail]

Cosmetics aren’t content tho

[torn gust]

most of my time in Live is actually just doing shenanigans with random friends ive made in the game

[blazing sail]

Replaying the same areas over and over every day is not content

[sterile parrot]

On beta yes it is easier. On live not so much

[spark lance]

Alex, I BEG the devs to put more reasons to do that kind of thing. All I can find that actually feels worthwhile to me and like the devs actually cared to put it in for players is the Prairie temple manta thing. What was treated as an afterthought "filler" that's barely there should be the focus of the game, IMO.

[sterile parrot]

New friends that is. On live I have a group that I hang with but it’s literally nothing relating to the game since we just try to explore out of bounds

[orchid nexus]

anyone who wants to try that, join me in-game. I'm going to play the live game for a bit. philo I bet I could show you reasons to do it and enjoy it

[blazing sail]

I don’t even like grinding in games for experience and stuff that makes you stronger and here I am doing it for friendship upgrades? What?

[sterile parrot]

That isn’t good that the game itself offers nothing and it’s cool to create your own fun but it does illustrate that really all there is is a grind, and they are increasing that grind

[rustic imp]

@orchid nexus can I join?

[blazing sail]

Hey Xynthanium!

[rustic imp]

hello!

[lost tangle]

Hello guys, sorry to interrupt, do you know why the questgiver stands beside the gate of the wasteland while today's quest is about the forest?

[lusty light]

Bug

[blazing sail]

Haven’t seen you since our beta encounters

[torn gust]

@lost tangle bug since last nights patch!

[rustic imp]

nope. you want to move discussion to a dm? so we don't crowd this

[torn gust]

they added new quests and it ended up sticking him over there

[lost tangle]

got it, thanks

[blazing sail]

Just seems like a bug

It happened last night too if you updated then

[empty inlet]

i can't connect to the server now, anyone else?

[torn gust]

thanks guys for bein chill with the discussion btw!! i think you guys have some good points for sure

[lost tangle]

Another question, the normal umbrella has been move from the whale spirit to the seasonal spirit in the forest, and the seasonal umbrella is nowhere to find. Is it intended or just another bug?

[torn gust]

I've heard its a bug but also i dont know if its confirmed

another theory is the seasonal umbrella got moved to be the 'final reward/ultimate gift' for completing the season

the object model/the umbrellas data is still in the game though!

[lusty light]

That umbrella is supposed to be under the whale voice and it says so in the patch notes

Even specifically says non seasonal

[lost tangle]

yes, I know that, I read every patch note as soon as a new patch releases

[lusty light]

I don’t think they would decide to just make the umbrella season pass exclusive like that

And I think the ultimate gift is supposed to be the quest giver mask like last time

[slow stirrup]

it might be a placeholder until they put another asset in if the final reward theory is true

i imagine its probably some mix up in the code, though

[torn gust]

yeah!

[lost tangle]

thank you guys

[sterile parrot]

Stepped away but yes, good discussion and thanks

[slow stirrup]

i cant wait for this season to go live, though. i like the look of it a lot ;w;

[torn gust]

yeah their design team definitely did an awesome job

the designs and modelers

i only have the tiniest complaint and thats just isle's cape looks v similar to vaults cape

but everything else im really pumped about

[slow stirrup]

yeah. im glad the masks are simple, the gratitude ones were too busy for me

[torn gust]

yeah itll be nice to have the option of having some simpler masks vs some more complex ones

[sterile parrot]

Hopefully they’ll change back the crying one

Unless we want the prison cred

[slow stirrup]

omg?? i did like the original one more though, yeah

[torn gust]

yeah the crying one still is hilarious 😂

[sterile parrot]

Let them know, hopefully the more people that tell them that the more likely they’ll give us the old mask

[torn gust]

i feel like thatd be a simple fix if they catch the feedback in time

[slow stirrup]

yeah

im not as well versed in coding for 3d as i am for 2d but they probably still have the assets so i imagine its not too bad of a change coding wise if they decide to make it

[torn gust]

yeah i would imagine!

im also not super well versed in 3d but i know a little bit about 3d and also game production

the old asset files are likely still in their database

[slow stirrup]

yeah

i was going to start using the no mask cosmetic once i got it but the masks from this season have me back on the mask side i think lol

[torn gust]

yeah the painted markings are awesome!

no mask tho is pretty sweet esp with certain hairstyles so i think you cant go wrong either way 😄

[slow stirrup]

yeah i really adore that

haha, im pretty sure ive seen you in game before wearing no mask and the forest elder hair?

and i was like that is a Look

[torn gust]

HAHA you mightve!! I run around in that one a lot!

Forest elder hair, no mask, fireworks staff (or chair) white cape and then the disco pants

Is one of my main go-to outfits so if youve seen that then it couldve been me! 😄

I like it cause its kinda spooky looking 👻

In beta tho im not that exciting LOL

If i have the chair im usually going OOB glitching 😂

[slow stirrup]

yeah, that was probably you, then! i was in a group of people glitching oob in vault

[torn gust]

omg when was this cause i just did it yesterday with some ppl who i didnt know

I also did it a week or so ago with some other players...do you have pictures of the adventure?

[slow stirrup]

i have some, though it was hard to get some with you in it because you spent a lot of time laying down on the ground if it was you

[torn gust]

HAHA

Yeah i did sorry LOL

[slow stirrup]

omg

[torn gust]

that was like yesterday right?

[slow stirrup]

yeah i think it was yesterday

hang on ill dm you a screencap i think i mmmight have a group pic?

[rich wolf]

@orchid nexus you should try coming to the mountains in the valley flying race... they're beautiful

you too @lusty light

[lusty light]

I’ve been there before!

[rich wolf]

cool! I know a lot of people that get that "oob" area confused with the cloned arena area

[torn gust]

It’s neat seeing how popular that place has gotten

When I first went there a few times I think the most I’ve ran into was like 3 people

[rich wolf]

the arena, right?

[torn gust]

Now there’s usually always a few running around! It’s nice seeing others get to visit

Yeah the arena!

Both the twilight or sunset version

It’s a cool oob that is very easy to get to (no table needed) but still is super rewarding so I’m glad players are getting to see it

[rich wolf]

I could see it being useful as a place to play future games, but its a truly glitch area.... not like the Holey Hills of Prairie....

truly glitch spots probably will be patched out

I don't go there that often... I always got the twilight / night version

[torn gust]

I hope they keep it!! Maybe it’s categorized as one of those things they mentioned in the stream

As yes it’s a bug but it also has meaning to a lot of players

So maybe they’ll leave it alone

[rich wolf]

I know... that was a nice mention... hope maybe the mountains I hope you see get a similar treatment...

[torn gust]

Sounds like they might leave rainbow bridge alone tbh

[rich wolf]

I even have a season idea for it

[torn gust]

Heather if you sit for the cutscene and then leave out the window you get the alternate colored version!

And some diff elder poses

Tho they turn into a giant flame after a short while

[rich wolf]

Season of Explorers
maybe you collect pieces of a map that unlocks a constellation gate to a secret area

[torn gust]

The twilight arena is my favorite color scheme though

I like that idea a lot (explorer themed items would be fun!) but wonder how it would work post season

[rich wolf]

the areas that you'd find the explorer spirts in would be the typically oob areas

and you would still be able to use what they find there

[torn gust]

Would the secret area just be removed? Or would it stay and then any players after the season are left out

[rich wolf]

musical platforms

[torn gust]

Ahh I don’t think they should put spirits in the oob areas tbh

It excludes players who don’t have the chair or the patience to get to some of these areas

[rich wolf]

stones you stand on and cut out the bg noise to focus on the instrument

@torn gust I'm assuming these areas would be opened up a little

[torn gust]

Plus if there were stuff to acquire in oob it wouldn’t technically be oob anymore then yeah?

It’d be part of the games main maps

[rich wolf]

these areas are unused parts of the game main maps

[torn gust]

But I do like the idea of collecting like parts of a key or a map to access a new area

[rich wolf]

not glitch areas like the clone arena

[torn gust]

But dunno if it’s right to have that be a seasonal only thing since a)it would mean the new area is a pay-money-to-access level and b)what about post season

But it is a really cool idea to maybe introduce a new level

[rich wolf]

gonna move to general

[wet willow]

What does it mean to recharge another player's light?

do they have to be burned out

[empty inlet]

yes

they need to lose all their wing energy

[torn gust]

I got it by just standing on the constellation stone @wet willow at home

Cause when a player teleports to home they get all their wings recharged!

[wet willow]

No one is coming home D:

[fringe rover]

I haven’t been able to play Sky in the past few days, so I log on today to find that one of the hairstyles got changed to a bun,, I’m gonna miss that hair :((

[spark lance]

Hmm maybe they had better plans for that hairstyle

[hybrid wedge]

I didn’t keep perfect track of the heart-light gifts I got yesterday, but my heart meter got pretty full at about 55 of them. Current semi-educated guess is that 60 equals one heart. Posting a pic in the beta screenshots channel for reference 📝

[lost tangle]

@wet willow they don't have to be burned out(or extinguished
? I mean to become a little black), have a friend run out of his or her energy and get close to him or her, then the job is done

@hybrid wedge 55 heart-light or heart-light from 55 people?

I got about 20 heart-light and the heart meter is almost empty..

[empty inlet]

i need updates!

[humble axle]

Does anyone know what the 'catch the light' daily quest is please?

[empty inlet]

you’ll notice it as soon as you fly down to forest

[humble axle]

Thank you for answering @empty inlet 🙂

Do you mean in the entrance area to forest?

[empty inlet]

yes exactly

[humble axle]

Aah okay. I'll go and have a look. Thank you again 🙂

[empty inlet]

no problem

[humble axle]

Not the social area though, right? The area with the first star, up on the platform in the tree?

[unique stirrup]

^ yep, the first area you fly down in

[humble axle]

It ok, found it 🙂 thank you very much xx

[fresh quiver]

Hey so I got one of the new quests automatically even though it says it's locked? (Team up with 3 players) Curious whether that will happen for anyone else

[hollow compass]

quest giver at the wrong gate again 🤦

[devout oasis]

I got that standing on the home plate looking at constellations when a third player joined the area

[hollow compass]

that's usually the trick 😉

oddly, it doesn't seem to work when 3 players sit down at the end of Valley race

[vapid briar]

The questgiver location should be fixed with the next update.

[spark lance]

kinda want the light blob/tadpole be a little more faster to make the quest more challenging but nvm

[tardy dove]

i'd like it to be more like a challenge too :o maybe

maybe it could fly a little lower to the ground and you could sneak up on it for an easy catch?

[pallid badger]

Mine flew into me rather than me flying into it. I was stood under the bridge and it floated along right into me. 😂

[tardy dove]

lmao!!

The light is kinda cute tbh like a little friend whos just chilling out

[pallid badger]

Yeah I like it! 👍

Seasonal candles are hard to spot. You really have to hunt around. I mean they are all very easily accessible, but you can’t see them until you’re really quite close.

[tardy dove]

true

i think in vault they are a little more frustrating to get too at times

especially with this season's vault spirit haha

[supple pulsar]

They changed it so you can’t warp home whilst losing light power or flying didn’t they?

Or is that a bug?

Like in Wasteland water

[pallid badger]

I’ve been thinking about the black ball radiating from temple on isle when the bells ring. I’ve been wondering how that has been broken so long. I’ve realised the difference. In live, the bells ring intermittently. The bells in beta ring continuously. There isn’t a notable break in the tones. Perhaps that’s what has broken it? The timing is off.

[tardy dove]

oh yeah it does ring a lot huh?

[pallid badger]

I’m thinking that’s the problem. And it’s not something you notice really. Perhaps devs haven’t noticed it.

I’m going to put that observation in bugs I think.

[spark lance]

Can someone send me a screenshot of the full new friendship tree?

[spark lance]

where do you get the giant umbrella?

i thought it was whale voice but it's not there anymore

the spirit has the umbrella on it's back but it's not a cosmetic i could purchase

[golden fjord]

Maybe it’s moved to final reward instead?

[spark lance]

final reward for completing the season?

[golden fjord]

Might be, i just received an extra umbrella in place if the one I unlocked but still kept the big one

[spark lance]

oh

also people can have last season's capes in beta right

you don't have to cheat to get the season of gratitude capes, right

oh dang the spirit really doesnt have the umbrella anymore

i have it already but thats weird

[radiant drum]

Gratitude ran for 2 weeks for testing in beta before releasing to live, after beta reset

So yeah, old beta players most likely will have gratitude items

[golden fjord]

@spark lance yeah, I have a mask from the last season

[spark lance]

oh ok

sounds good

just making sure

wasn't sure when last reset was

[hybrid wedge]

@lost tangle 55 heart-light or heart-light from 55 people?
~55 people sent heart-light, so I had ~55 heart-lights in my meter. The same thing I think

[spark lance]

really hope they change that final cape to something more unique, seeing as it's quite expensive to get it.

[lost tangle]

Then that explains why my heart meter is almost empty, I mean I got 20 heart-light from 4 people, as each person gives me 5 "little hearts"

Probably tgc wants to give us a new way to "earn" hearts, while I doubt that would make people, especially new comers, even feel that it is harder to "earn" hearts than before, if they find a heart = 60 gifts.

[hollow compass]

I don't remember there being any capes in Gratitude on beta? But I do have that one bell instrument left from that time, because it was all I had time to collect.

oh, I remember now, of course there must have been capes

no idea how anyone managed to get them, but perhaps I just wasn't as active in beta at that time myself

[hybrid wedge]

Ohhh, I see @lost tangle—I wasn’t counting the tiny heart-looking sparkles. I counted one heart-light as the amount of light you get from tapping on a star when a friend sends you that gift. Otherwise the numbers quickly get very high and it gets hard to count them ^^

I managed to get a cape in beta Gratitude, but that was because I got candles each day and very carefully planned for what I wanted ^^

[weak marsh]

I honestly don’t like the heart sparkles. They just don’t really fit

[hybrid wedge]

(@lost tangle so by the way I was counting, you got 4 heart-lights because 4 people sent you gifts)

[lost tangle]

Yup. You are right.

[brisk vortex]

What spirit do you get the crab call from?

[lost tangle]

The seasonal spirit in... Sorry I don't remember..

[rich wolf]

wasteland

[storm flicker]

Guys what does catch the light mean for the seasonal quest I’m kinda lost here

[rich wolf]

I caught it up by the relive spirit

[ivory fog]

How do I join the beta

[polar flume]

Guys

I gotthe android beta invite buthow do u get the game?

[hollow compass]

Perhaps ask in #beta-discussion-android

@storm flicker I would generally encourage you to explore the seasonal level and see if you work it out yourself, but if you don’t feel up for that||there is a large light blob flying around ice rink||

@ivory fog hey friendo, how about reading #news and #beta-announcements 😉

Actually @polar flume try #beta-announcements you too, there seems to be info there

[polar flume]

Okay thank you

[storm flicker]

Thanks I flew by it like nine times lol @hollow compass

[spark lance]

Why The Sky Beta Crashes After I Turn On ??

[hollow compass]

@storm flicker it happens! 😂

[green cave]

I'd guess it's to do with the current android bug, its been talked about a lot in #beta-bugs-android

[hollow compass]

Top tip is to check the bugs channel and sometimes scroll up a little in the appropriate channel to see if anyone else has had a similar issue, and if there is a solution to it.

It’s also good to keep in mind that basically everyone here is just another player, and they may not have more information than yourself.

Although, some are more experienced in the bts/mechanics of phones and programming, which can be very helpful.

[jagged geyser]

They should make it so that when jumping while holding an umbrella, it doesn’t go back

[hollow compass]

@storm flicker I forgot to ask, did you ever get your pink cape? Perhaps that was in Live, btw.

[storm flicker]

I sure did! Lmao and kinda glad now because I’m feeling like the table is a lot less useful

[hollow compass]

Yeah, it is nowadays.

[blazing sail]

Lol this community downvotes me any time I express annoyance at the grind. 🤷‍♀️

So I guess that’s never gonna change.

[shut aurora]

I get annoyed at grinding so much too

[blazing sail]

I posted on the Reddit and people just love defending the grind. I don’t get it

subreddit

[shut aurora]

I mean I don't mind grinding but it's usually a small output from it and it doesn't change. I just wish there was more variety for where candles were

Or more puzzles

Plus I work full time and usually can't do all the areas everyday. I stick to seasonal area and big candle area

[orchid nexus]

App, it's not expressing that I personally dislike, it's repeating it often. I share some of your feelings about it, but some of us are here because we genuinely enjoy the game, not to "defend the grind"

[blazing sail]

But people are defending the grind. The grind is what I’m complaining about and what people argue with me over.

[shut aurora]

I love the game so that's why I don't hate the grind too much. Every game has room for improvement and maybe that's one area

[blazing sail]

You can like and defend the game and acknowledge the grind is a problem.

[orchid nexus]

You're characterizing what people like as a grind, so that sounds like people are being foolish. But that's not what's happening. People don't see it as a grind necessarily.

[blazing sail]

Let me ask you this

[orchid nexus]

And any game experiences player turnover. Maybe you've hit the peak for what you can tolerate in this particular one. it's ok and it happens.

[blazing sail]

Would you run through every area every day if there was no light at all to be found? If there was nothing to be gained from it besides watching the views?

If not, then you’re not really being honest about it

[orchid nexus]

I don't run through every area every day because I don't like doing that

[blazing sail]

So you don’t like the grind then

Why defend it

[orchid nexus]

Lol you are straw-manning my argument.

[blazing sail]

That’s the grind I’m referring to

No I’m not

You’re defending something you don’t do yourself bc you don’t like it

Whatever

Defend it. I’m gonna bow out of this now

[orchid nexus]

I'm not defending anyone's style of play. anyone can choose how to play and what to enjoy. I don't enjoy playing that way, so I agree with you on that score.

[blazing sail]

I don’t think i should have to grind so much to enjoy what the game offers. Period. The end.

[orchid nexus]

I agree. you should stop grinding.

[blazing sail]

🤦‍♀️

[sterile steeple]

App, while some of us agree with your point, you’ve already made it clear, now can we move on?

[orchid nexus]

And I think the reaction you're getting is people who do enjoy parts of the game, and take it personally if their enjoyment is characterized as misguided or wrong. We can all like and dislike different parts of the game.

[blazing sail]

What I don’t appreciate is that every time any of us express negativity towards a change that makes the grind even worse, we get shut down like this.

[orchid nexus]

The important part to take note of is we're arguing a subjective point, and when one person presents their opinion as the only one, it causes conflict. Yours is one of many, and you're not being shut down.

[blazing sail]

Constantly being told that either I should stop playing or move on or not care about that stuff. I’m not allowed to want those things and also not want this to be a fill-time job.

[orchid nexus]

You are allowed to want that though. Nobody told you to stop playing. You've clearly expressed that you want to stop, or at least stop grinding, and I support you in that goal.

[blazing sail]

The game is pushing me towards that point and I wish it wasn’t

[orchid nexus]

I recognize that your gameplay goals make the "grind" parts an impediment tho

[blazing sail]

But that’s what’s happening because of the added grind

They could ease up on things and let people play casually and still make progress

People defending it don’t seem to understand that not everyone can devote their lives to the game

[orchid nexus]

The current beta feels like it's increased candle collection rate to me. I haven't quantified, but that seems good

[blazing sail]

I haven’t been doing my candle runs there bc I can barely keep up with my live runs

[orchid nexus]

additional things to spend ascended candles on, I like. not because it "requires" anything new, but because if I'm playing normally, I'll eventually (weeks, months?) have extra ascended candles with nothign to spend them on

[blazing sail]

Ok, but they don’t have to be so aggressive about it. No friend upgrade should cost more than 1 ascended candle at a time. Come on

[orchid nexus]

and those upgrade costs are often shared between 2 players

[blazing sail]

Not necessarily

[sterile steeple]

@blazing sail This is just simply not true; I’ve expressed negativity towards grinding hearts and was not met with any of what you are describing. What you’re doing is trying to prolong a conversation to force your perspective onto others. You’ve literally made your point already, it’s frustrating watching you argue the same point with Alex when they’ve already expressed that they share a similar feeling

[orchid nexus]

If we meet, I'll pay all the ascended candle upgrade costs!

[blazing sail]

I’m trying to get by on less tome and I have friends who are even more casual than that and I can’t expect them to foot the bill

*time

I at least have all my spirits ascended now. Not all my friends do

[livid vine]

oh hey app unwrapper :0

[blazing sail]

Hi?

[orchid nexus]

Let's not fight though Cake, it's fine to disagree and discuss it. I really do hope the game evolves in a way that suits players like App though, because there are many!

[livid vine]

ight ima head put

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[blazing sail]

Oh I thought maybe you wanted something from me?

[livid vine]

oH

na

i just wanted to day hi

[blazing sail]

Oh. Hi!

[livid vine]

henlo :3

[spark lance]

@blazing sail The game is less fun for me for the reasons you’ve stated. I just can’t be bothered with the various requirements to get the upgrades for friendships, etc. So I am playing less and less and will walk away all together at some point. I can feel that coming. Right now the best fun I can have is either to meet with a friend I know and chat for a bit while we do our grind but there is nothing interesting or new save for the conversation. And then the occasional joy when I can find a newbie who is patient enough to stick with me while I help them with a few things. But they usually have to unlock the the friendship thing so we can hold hands because I’ve given my candles away to friends.

I would love for the act of lighting a player to also allow at least the temporary ability to hold hands.

[livid vine]

thats epic

👊😎

[spark lance]

I could help so many more that way.

[livid vine]

idk why i do that

but i do agree

[orchid nexus]

Walk away at some point is a reasonable thing to do. Depending on what the retention goals for the app are. What do people feel is the goal of TGC for player retention?

[spark lance]

@orchid nexus I’ve wondered that as well. Perhaps they want older players to walk away to keep the game fresh.

[orchid nexus]

Obviously more than a week, or month. I would say 3-6 months since I think someone quoted that as a potential timeframe in one of the livestreams

personally, I would always advocate against daily grinding. you'll feel like you've been grinding, if you grind too much

[spark lance]

I’ve been in the game for less than 2 months I think. Or perhaps nearly 2 months. I started feeling the want to walk away a few weeks ago.

There are other games I’ve played for years and still play

[livid vine]

i usually don’t grind in the game

[spark lance]

But maybe that’s the nature of this type of game

[orchid nexus]

has season stuff made you want to jump back in? would new areas or new minigames?

or new story arcs even?

[livid vine]

i just find the game now after finishing eden for the first time a stress reliever

[blazing sail]

Thing is, I don’t usually let a game do this to me. I want my games to play on my terms, not vice versa. If things don’t improve, I’ll just continue to resent it and regret the time I did put into it when I finally do walk away for good.

[spark lance]

I won’t buy the seasonal pass again

[orchid nexus]

App, what about the game makes you feel compelled to play that way? Not criticizing, genuinely curious

[spark lance]

That was what got me in the grind in the first place

[orchid nexus]

I can see that

[spark lance]

I bought the pass with just a little over 2 weeks left

[orchid nexus]

ouch

[spark lance]

So I had to work hard to get only a bit of the advantages of the pass

[orchid nexus]

that's a valid frustration. marketing or purchase windows could help

[spark lance]

Plus I paid $15 so that I could randomly surprise some players with a gift

So I felt I had to get the value out of my pass

[blazing sail]

There’s items I still want and the seasonal stuff definitely gives me FOMO.

[spark lance]

Which, no matter how hard I worked, I couldn’t quite do

[blazing sail]

Right now, between seasons, I somehow got into a habit of sending hearts to a bunch of friends each day and now feel obligated to continue.

[orchid nexus]

that's sort of bittersweet. but still sweet

[blazing sail]

A friend is gifting me the next season bc I gifted them the last one. I might have walked away otherwise so I wouldn’t be compelled to collect my candles every day

[spark lance]

I’ve had to slow down on giving hearts

I just can’t keep grinding for candles to give hearts

[orchid nexus]

I've been trying to track down one player in live to upgrade so I can send them hearts. I think they are on the other side of the world...

[blazing sail]

But like I said here and on Reddit....

I was so f***ing excited about piggybacking with friends

[livid vine]

Wait theres a reddit for the game

[blazing sail]

I haven’t tried it yet so it would be new for me and them

[livid vine]

:0

[blazing sail]

But now that plan is crushed

[spark lance]

The fun for me is helping other players. So that is where I like to spend time when I choose to play.

[blazing sail]

Unless we all continue our Eden runs. Which I really don’t want to feel forced into again

I was ready to take a break from it

[orchid nexus]

I can't make you like eden, but that's one part of the game I will defend with my dying breath!

[spark lance]

I really don’t like Eden. Not just for how difficult it is, but for how much time you have to devote even after getting through.

I loved it the first time

But watching that movie again and again and again

Nope

I just want to opt out and move on

[blazing sail]

Yep, that’s why I haven’t done it in beta yet

[tough quest]

Do you do eden more than once a week?

[orchid nexus]

I know at least one player who does it daily. I'm not that devoted to eden

[blazing sail]

I’m not interested in going after my wings again

Yikes daily?

[spark lance]

I only do Eden once a week, that’s more than enough for my time

[orchid nexus]

starting at 5 wedges after eden though, that's enough for me, so I don't force myself to get all stars, or to do it quickly

[blazing sail]

I feel crippled without my 9 stars now 😛

[orchid nexus]

but guys, send me an invite if you care to grind (or not grind) with me some time

[spark lance]

Once I get all my ascended candles, the only reason I’ll ever go to Eden again is to help someone newer than me. And even then . . . Unless they let me skip that movie I would rather help new players in other areas.

[blazing sail]

Yes the time sink is the problem

That’s always the problem

[spark lance]

Yes

Too much time

[blazing sail]

I thought they were listening finally with the prairie skips

But then they force us into doing a ton of hour-long Eden runs

[spark lance]

I wish there were a setting where you could opt out of all movies/cutscenes once you’ve seen them.

[blazing sail]

Yeah I mentioned a cutscene toggle a while back and a lot of people wanted it

[kind briar]

like an option in settings to automatically skip the ones you've seen or something

[spark lance]

They are really nice and pretty and well thought out . . . The first time you see them . . . But the 30th time? Notsomuch

[shut aurora]

They are listening I think, but they can't make every change at one time

[blazing sail]

Exactly

[orchid nexus]

the silliness of piggyback is real, and the sooner you get it, the more bugs you get to experience with it! I know that means pressure to play through more often, but that's one dream not to give up

[blazing sail]

I already missed out on all the fun chair glitchiness because I bought mine too late

I can’t manage to glitch through walls with the “fixed” chair

[orchid nexus]

whispers: meet me some time for a glitching tutorial

[blazing sail]

Haha

[spark lance]

The glitches are kinda fun to discover or be shown

[blazing sail]

A friend already tried to teach me on the day the candle@bunch was out of bounds

It took me like 8000 tries to get through and then I couldn’t repeat it

[orchid nexus]

not just chair.

[spark lance]

I’m sad they closed the area above the caves.

[devout edge]

Man I can’t wait for the heart fragments to be implemented

[spark lance]

I wish their were little “lounge areas” with no sound where we could collect privately and practice our instruments.

[devout edge]

Then there will be 4 ways to get hearts 🤩

[spark lance]

Little, Easter egg areas is what I’m thinking of

[rich tundra]

You can still get up there, just fly straight up from the entrance before the cave

[spark lance]

Really?

[dire rover]

Starflame enters the chat

Imo, there is a big wish for the cosmetics of the game when you join initially. This creates a strong desire to grind candles and gain as fast as possible to get the stuff. After a while of this you learn the game very well and you end up with a grind, because the times are really cool. That’s okay.

It’s however important to note that when discussing it, it’s alright to share your view, and that attempting to strongman others into following your views and start a movement to make the devs change this aspect of the game.. is the wrong way to do it.

There is a grind. It is a mtx game. The game devs intend you to not grind and prefer you to casually enjoy it. You can buy candles if you want. The game is meticulously designed to be on the edge of having the grind be satisfactory if you put in the effort, and for those in a fortunate situation “an easier way out”.

The reality is that they have chosen to revolve the game around that.

To address some things earlier said, I see appwrapper is often circling the same argument instead of presenting his view and listening to others. Post your feelings in the #wishlist-and-ideas-archived channel. Anything else is discussion around the topics we feel like talking about. Not the direct response to the devs.

And people don’t like it when you push them. I’m not a mod so I can’t enforce anything but there’s a lot of things taken personal on the discord, that are players misunderstanding that others aren’t dissing their preferences.

The grind will always be there. But they are 100% fine tuning it like any other game that has an opt-out feature.

[orchid nexus]

@spark lance use a blank sound file in music player. it turns off soundtrack

[rich tundra]

That’s what I’ve done

Then I trailed across the mountains and went back up to the closed area

[tough quest]

I feel like it would be really cool to add 2 or 3 areas with no candles, but just to play in. Like a maze for hide and seek or an amphitheater for music. Places to hang out with friends and explore, and to pull away from the focus on collection

[dire rover]

The conversation has moved on a little, but the things I mentioned keep creeping up.

More places to mess around it would be cool

Giving depth to the game besides strengthening “the grind” is always going to benefit this game

[orchid nexus]

[spark lance]

@tough quest I like the way you think, I would like that too

Yes, the focus on collection is no fun for me. But exploration, meeting and helping new people, that is where I find joy in the game.

[dire rover]

I stopped focusing on collecting stuff a while ago and just play for fun with the friends I’ve made. That means I grind a little for candles to gift hearts and all, but don’t pay much mind to it. Eventually you lose the desire that says “give it to me now” and you start to mess around and have fun

[spark lance]

@orchid nexus that sounds like a decent workaround for the sound but still nice if there was an area built that way so that several players could jam without having to all know the workaround

[orchid nexus]

yeah, amphitheater for gatherings... a quiet music-free glade in the forest

[dire rover]

People got really mad when they nerfed the table a bit. You’ll see a few people here get really vocal about it and it is kind of close to the whole “calling out companies on twitter” thing that the world has entered

Amphitheater would be dope!

Reverb heaven?

[orchid nexus]

the table was an OP glitching tool from the start. I would like it to have been nerfed before global launch 😄

[tough quest]

Haha yeah I was thinking it could have good acoustics for music, though modifying the instrument sounds with echo and a sense of space might be a bit of effort

[proven trout]

oops i am late but i want to say that youve got to keep in mind that this is all beta too. might not even make it to live

and i think jenova talked about an ampitheater type place

would be neat

[sterile steeple]

I think making the home area a cooler place to hang out in, in general, would be amazing

[dire rover]

A beta suggestions channel could be cool tbh. Bug posts and vague discussions don’t get the message out as clearly, at least imo

[sterile steeple]

Like more places to hide and seek

[dire rover]

We need a new aviary @sterile steeple

[proven trout]

there are many places if youre creative enough 😉

[sterile steeple]

Mhmm!

[proven trout]

i would die for a new aviary but i dont want to push the devs into doing something that will use up so much time and resources again (that being the reason they removed it)

[spark lance]

Yes, a great place for hide and seek. I would be all over that.

[sterile steeple]

How did it use up time and resources? Building it?

I’m truly curious!

[dire rover]

I’ve said it before but I’m really bummed out that there are no flags and stuff in home

[proven trout]

tbh i forgot the specifics. but for example, they said the same thing about patterned capes. used up too many resources=they were focusing so much on the designs that it cut into what the actual cape was supposed to be, the color and general look of it

[sterile steeple]

Ahhh

[proven trout]

yesss i want the flags back 😭

[sterile steeple]

Makes sense

Too much time spent on detail instead of the bigger picture

[dire rover]

Or like; at the very least something in the theme of the current season that changes home to look like the season!

[sterile steeple]

I get it, they have plenty of time to add detail later once they’ve laid the foundation down how they want

[dire rover]

Home is like the cheapest brand cereal rn

[proven trout]

thats a good idea starflame

[sterile steeple]

@dire rover that would be awesome

[dire rover]

Bland and you’re kinda over it

[proven trout]

even subtle differences

[sterile steeple]

Bran flakes.

[proven trout]

i love home with all my heart but i wish there were more just little details. maybe a big rock here and there to sit on, a flag or two

[dire rover]

Like why not change the atmosphere of home to reflect it? Make it fun and inviting

[sterile steeple]

Or if they’d rather keep that area simple, we could set a default “home” (mine would be praerie)

[livid vine]

:0

[sterile steeple]

And then when you log in, that’s where you spawn

[dire rover]

Changing the portals to be vines and trees looking like the new season?

[proven trout]

ooh

[sterile steeple]

I like that

[dire rover]

They had a home space in just water before you went to aviary

It was alright

[proven trout]

an issue i can see with a default home or default spawn is it encourages you (to an extent) to not see your friends since home gives you that initial meeting area

[dire rover]

It home desperately needs more flair

[sterile steeple]

@proven trout fair!

[dire rover]

It’s such a canvas for selling the entire premise of the game and it’s just sitting there kinda

[proven trout]

as always there are 2 sides haha

true

i really like flags

lol

[sterile steeple]

I’m sure in the future, home will get spruced. I can almost taste all the OG’s in 6 months going, “home used to be SO PLAIN”

[dire rover]

I’ll write that in #wishlist-and-ideas-archived actually. I haven’t done that yet ✅

[proven trout]

haha

[dire rover]

Well it went from aviary to.. whatever stranded island current home is

It can literally only go up from here

[proven trout]

it will be cool to be playing this game even a year or so down the line and seeing what will have changed

yup its like a blank slate

[tough quest]

I mean if anyone was an early beta tester this has already happened haha

[proven trout]

yeah. as a non pre launch tester it will be cool for me to see it with my own eyes :p

i wonder how long i will be playing sky...a year? 10? the world may never know (unless it does 🤫)

[blazing sail]

Do candles/lights recharge you faster now or am I imagining it?

[hollow compass]

I’ve played for a year now, including beta and Soft, and I’m not bored yet. 😉

[dire rover]

The flags had such feeling. I mean the reveal trailer showcases the flags hanging in the home area. And in current home they’re just not there and I’m so sad. Where did the passion go, TGC? Lost in the grind to patch faster?

Belpita is a vet

I’m so looking forward to live becoming what beta is now

[empty inlet]

actually i’ve asked several friends why they’re still playing the game even though we think some of the important cores (or spirits) of the game were gone and we don’t see there’s any chance they can come back, they said they don’t know, i don’t know either. Testing the game seems like a daily routine, not thing else. Or we’re just trying to maintain our relationship through this game

[dire rover]

Testing the game should be just that imo. Testing, not playing religiously. You'll just burn yourself out when the game launches, and most likely a feature you like will be changed to something else. Like the hair bun was changed from the grandma / weird rich kid old style bun to frozen.

I mean you're not getting paid for it. Actual playtesting is a real job that they have people who do. Last stream had the guy in charge of QA playing valley for example.

If you're not getting paid and it could disappear at any time and things will get changed.. Keeping up the grind is more of a chore than anything

[torn gust]

Popping in just to second the idea for a spruced up home 😍 maybe even a snowy Home to match a season?

like how animal crossing does it

[dire rover]

Take some time off, they don't release new patches constantly anyways. It's worth it to keep your daily candle grind in live versus in beta or even worse in both.

I hopped on to see what the latest patch had in store but that's about it. I try to do some of the easy daily quests to maybe get the pan flute for example. But live is close to getting it, so it's not like it really matters

[torn gust]

That way they wouldnt have to customize per every x amount of new season of cosmetics but just have the 4 standard ones

[empty inlet]

we all know that, we started testing the game because we love the concept, but now they’re all gone, we lose our reasons to play the game

[dire rover]

Tbh if they don't add themed Home areas for each season, even a little themed home.. they've wasted so much

They're gone?

What is gone?

[torn gust]

open up tgc we just wanna talk

[empty inlet]

as i said, the cores we think are attracting to us

[torn gust]

Springtime maybe just has a bunch of flowers like how the butterfly fields do....HM

[sterile steeple]

Yes, pls.

[empty inlet]

the game was less like a mobile game or network game back to then

but all the things changed since the new emote shop system

[dire rover]

The core gameplay is very intriguing. There feels like there is content there that currently isn't. Less depth. You'll definitely get frustrated if you keep playing

And I noticed your client is in japanese, your english is とても上手です btw kanpai

[torn gust]

Tgc definitely tends to favor a subtle storytelling with their games so it doesnt fit with everyone

[empty inlet]

sky has become another mobile game that we probably won’t interest

it’s really different from Journey

[torn gust]

I kinda like it though for this game which is meant to be repeated a lot because they give you a lot of space to wonder about what happened and what the story is for the game

[empty inlet]

although the whole structure is similar to Journey

(actually Japanese is my third language)

[sterile steeple]

We stan a trilingual

[torn gust]

I try to pay a lot of focus onto the enviroment bc theres lots of story clues hidden in the design of the world 👀

[empty inlet]

oh if you’re talking the interest part is like all the other game that urge you to put time and money in

[dire rover]

I still don't know enough kanji to just unleash my phone in japanese

[empty inlet]

if you mean Journey it’s another tgc developed game originally released on Play Station 3

[torn gust]

Idk i still find this game to have a different flavor than some other ones ive played and though there is a grind it doesnt feel the same as for example, Fire Emblem Heroes

Or Pocket Camp

[carmine owl]

I imagine its quite costly to run a development company with a whole crew maintaining a live MMO game, so I understand making in-app purchases.

[torn gust]

Yeah the whole team is only 26 people!!

[empty inlet]

i understand iap, but it feels different from what they’ve said before launch

[carmine owl]

dksjh yeah pocket camp is just over the top. I feel like, at this point, the costs in sky are very reasonable for what you get!

[dire rover]

Sky is like TGC wanted to join the mobile industry in the massive success mobile games are.. but they wanted to monetize and explore new venues.. Sky has this weird style of being "heavily" monetized but also not, but because it is and is an mmo it's more repetitive than journey could ever hope, as journey is super pure compared.

Journey is like the Mona Lisa and Sky is the copy they're trying to get people to pay to see.

[torn gust]

its not like a blizzard or nintendo with hundreds of employees. They were working on this for 7 years, they have to have a way to make funds because they cant keep relying on journey purchases

[dire rover]

I think it's more the return on the investors behalf that is the key point of the monetization Herbo. They got over 7 million USD in investor funding when they started working on Sky

[torn gust]

yeah sky is almost like..Journey Lite or journeys cousin

[dire rover]

Also high octane journey gameplay

[empty inlet]

if you’ve read the interview on Edge “Out of the Blue” by any chance you can feel the game is very far away from that

[dire rover]

When you play sky with a controller you slow down significantly

[torn gust]

Ive not heard that interview sorry 😦

[devout edge]

So when you get the key for beta, does it download a whole new version of sky? Or how does that work?

[torn gust]

@devout edge yep! Two diff apps

[devout edge]

And does it save your character?

[empty inlet]

no

[torn gust]

Nope its a completely new character

[devout edge]

Aw

[torn gust]

No items from beta go to live either

[empty inlet]

no friends either

[devout edge]

Well, that blue cape looks pretty good I might try my luck next sign up 👀

[empty inlet]

you won’t get the beta one tho

maybe the one in founder pack

[devout edge]

Doesn’t seem like there’s a founder pack available

I should’ve discovered this game sooner...

[empty inlet]

if they’re not removing the pack, you can also get one after live version is updated

[spark lance]

I’ve heard tell that there is a way to lose your cape and start with just your sky skivvies. I tried that last night but the ending was a bit like Eden where I was given a wing that I had to take to continue. So, can anyone point me to the discussion on how this is done. I tried a search but couldn’t find it.

[tough quest]

The real white lined beta cape was for people who did beta before live release. Tbh kinda bummed the way they are making a very similar cape purchasable. Wouldve been nice to make it noticeably different, or have the black lined cape earnable without real money

[devout edge]

Maybe they should give the og beta testers one of the patterned capes then

That would be a nice reward

[torn gust]

I think though like....in general no game in its initial concept will be the same as it ends up. Through players going through the game some problems end up arising from the initial concept that maybe dont work well in the long term goals of the game.

Sometimes a dev team can make some choices that dont work well, out of an attempt to improve the game. It happens cause its hard to tell what effects a decision will have on the game and players in actuality vs theoretical! So if something negative arises the best thing players can do is to let the creators know your thoughts. Doesn’t mean that the creators will always go with it but at least you have told them your side.

[tough quest]

Haha I am still hoping they just re release patterned capes to everyone. I think it would be too exclusive to have only beta cape patterned

[empty inlet]

however, they’re still trying to strengthen the concept one or two months before release

[devout edge]

Well if there are too many patterned capes it might lag everyone out of existence

[torn gust]

That could just be due to it being a VERY small team Kanpai

[devout edge]

Turns out it takes a lot of power to render something that complicated

[torn gust]

they only started beta testing in the year before live release right?

[tough quest]

Really? thats why patterns were dropped?

haha I'm pretty sure beta testing was much longer. Felt much longer at least

[empty inlet]

sure

[torn gust]

yeah eos apparently it was eating up too much RAM

[empty inlet]

starting Jan2018

[fleet maple]

no patterns were removed due to battery efficiency

[devout edge]

And also because they said that the patterns were cutting into the cape itself

[tough quest]

Its interesting small patterns like that are harder to render than large animated settings like forest

[devout edge]

It just didn’t feel authentic anymore

[torn gust]

if youll notice in forest

Theres no leaves!

[rich tundra]

We have cloud trees instead

[devout edge]

Welp, I’m definitely keeping an eye on TGC’s projects from here on out 👀

[torn gust]

No leaves at all in all of sky, im assuming its too much load on devices

just big solid shaped objects

[slow stirrup]

yeah, rendering leaves is really taxing

[empty inlet]

that’s not true, you have so much grass and flowers

[devout edge]

They might add leaves for consoles and pc as an option when it releases there 🤔

[torn gust]

But no leaves kanpai!

[devout edge]

I’m sure they have the power to render them

[torn gust]

the grass is all just a texture on a big flat shape

[empty inlet]

fallen leaves can be like that as well?

[torn gust]

The dark plants used to be a multi faceted dark crystal but they removed that pretty fast due to the multi polygons on the rocks causing heavy strain

I think to maximize performance they try to keep to semi low polygon count on the models

[empty inlet]

yea it’s like every mobile games are doing that

[devout edge]

At least we know they care about the game, I mean the fact that this game released initially as a mobile game is amazing

[torn gust]

Tonton thats an idea! Like if they release for switch it might have way more visual additions

just cause the switch is beefy as heck

[devout edge]

Imagine 5-6 years ago when we were all playing flappy bird and angry birds and TCG comes out with this

[torn gust]

More than my poor little iphone 6 😂

[carmine owl]

yeah Im really amazed at this game being mobile. I didnt know mobile games could be like this!

[slow stirrup]

i mean im kind of glad that mobile games are restricted graphics wise tbh... it means a lot of them dont try to look realistic 👀

[torn gust]

yeah it feels very different from all mobile games ive played, i really like it

And same red!!

[hybrid wedge]

@dapper aspen About the red dot that won’t go away—did you buy sheet music recently? If so, it’s possible that the dot is notifying you about that, and you need to open the sheet music to turn it off.

[devout edge]

It’s still drains so much battery though 😂

[torn gust]

Omg the sheet music, i remember i went 2 weeks in live just dealing with that red dot before someone told me about the music

Hahaha

[dapper aspen]

ohhh hahaha

[slow stirrup]

the red dot is my enemy

[devout edge]

Speaking of, there’s 2 permanent notifications stuck to my app icon of sky lol

Hopefully they fix it, the ocd is really seeping in

[torn gust]

Notable moment is one time i spawned into the krill pit and freaked out because i thought the dot was a krill (as the area was fading out from white so i couldnt really see)

[slow stirrup]

oh nooo

[hybrid wedge]

@devout edge When I had that happen, it appeared to be notifications of light gifts in home constellations from people I had blocked. If you’ve blocked anyone, you can try checking that?

[torn gust]

I had a good laugh at myself afterwards LOL

[dapper aspen]

I'm going to buy an instrument and see.

[slow stirrup]

i imagine so lol,, i think i wouldve died

[devout edge]

@hybrid wedge can you unblock them to check it?

[empty inlet]

oh in beta you can

[devout edge]

Welp

Looks like imma have to wait it out

[slow stirrup]

i think in the live version blocks are permanent

[devout edge]

I wish there was an unfriend button blocking seems kinda extreme

I only did it cause they weren’t on for like weeks

And then that thing happened where you could just constantly send them light

[proven trout]

thats why i keep badges off in sky

[crisp plinth]

Has the umbrella from the whale call spirit been removed?

[torn gust]

It appears to be bugged minisow

Maybe some accidental change in the coding

[crisp plinth]

Ok, on the iOS account with the new update I can't see it but my Android account can

[empty inlet]

if your friend didn’t receive the gift light you sent, you won’t be able to send another one

[hybrid wedge]

@devout edge I mean you can try unblocking then in your game and see if their friend star appears with anything in it

[empty inlet]

if you find yourself keep sending but not getting anything back, that could because they just don’t gift you back but still playing the game and received yours

[devout edge]

@hybrid wedge oh I don’t have the beta lol

I’m only here to cope with my impatience

[hybrid wedge]

Oh, you can still try it if you play live.

[empty inlet]

live still doesn’t have unblock function updated i think?

[hybrid wedge]

(I’m not currently having this issue and don’t have anyone blocked anyway)

Oh, derp

[devout edge]

Also, holy the grass IS just a texture!

It looks super flat if you zoom in close enough 👀

[torn gust]

Yeah its really cool!!

[empty inlet]

well i don’t know about 3D in game, but seems they’re more than a texture to me

[torn gust]

If you look on the temple top the designs are just a flat texture too

[empty inlet]

i just checked the glass in home

[torn gust]

are you talking about the little grass blades kanpai?

[dire rover]

The clouds in sky are 90% of the performance loss

[torn gust]

Those wouldnt be a a model with polygons

[dire rover]

Nay, 99%

[torn gust]

Hahaha star you are probably right LOL

[rich wolf]

@torn gust in live I just noticed something like pink pollen following a manta

[empty inlet]

lol clouds are the most amazing thing in sky

[torn gust]

Its 90% clouds and 10% the lighting modes they have

heather were you riding the manta at the time? They get a purple pink ‘leash’ of sparkles tethering you to it

[rich wolf]

That might be it

[dire rover]

Jenova: "We need the clouds"

Everyone else on the team: "But.. the rest of the game..?"

Jenova: "idk remove cape designs lol"

[torn gust]

LOL

[fleet maple]

thats a bad idea

[torn gust]

Honestly that likely couldve happened

[rich wolf]

Me: add more clouds