Softlaunch is on 0.4.9 rn
#beta-discussion
lusty light
hollow compass
I don’t remember which version that is for Eden.
hybrid wedge
To me, old Eden at this point is anything without the ||statues we give our light to||. I think Soft has that too, so, ¯_(ツ)_/¯
hybrid wedge
Going alone is a different experience than going with friends and has its own aspects to enjoy. I find it overall more intense (in a good way) going with other people.
hollow compass
I have always preferred going alone, so I can make my own mistakes, hehe.
Just wondering if I’m now at a disadvantage after the latest update.
orchid nexus
later today I will go. I'll ping you if you want to join
radiant drum
Like, it really is so much better with friends. I think I’ve been to eden and ||didn’t lose any stars to the rain, only depositing them on the statues. Way more fun and touching experience and all that sweet star candle juice||
hollow compass
Yey!
@radiant drum I get partly nervous, partly annoyed with other players around distracting me. 😓
radiant drum
Me and nagati have a eden date today, I hope we can all go together 
hollow compass
Yes!
hybrid wedge
@hollow compass I hear you on not wanting to make others suffer for the mistakes I make 
. But I figure with Eye of Eden it just comes with the territory, and my friends haven't shunned me yet. ^^
gaunt pecan
Any one know how to open that door after have 5 player?
gaunt pecan
😦
lusty light
@gaunt pecan you don’t need 5 players just light the things in front of the door
radiant drum
If I’m being honest, I also feel more comfortable when just with my friends ^^ but every player is a new experience and friends make mistakes too
hollow compass
Oh, I thought there was a second door?
gaunt pecan
What thing?
thin orchid
I was enjoying going to Storm alone before. Now, when i can do Storm with closed eyes, i prefer to go with friends.
hollow compass
Yes, if I ever went with someone it was with one particular player I trust 100%.
Ok, off to play some PvZ GW2 now.
radiant drum
@gaunt pecan in that area you sent the screenshot there is a big door that leads to the Eye of Eden level. There are 5 switches you can light alone or with friends to open the door
hybrid wedge
Just light the switches one after another. 
spark lance
If you try lighting it solo and see the message “you need other players to help ..”, then go Home to reset, come back and try again.
vapid drum
@gaunt pecan wth , there are supposed to be gold disheswith light icons on it
Do you have the 20 star minimum ??
vapid drum
Ok @gaunt pecan , I think this is a bug 😂
gaunt pecan
Ohhhh cmonnnnnnn
vapid drum
Try to hard close the game and re enter
gaunt pecan
May be i should reinstall it
gaunt pecan
Uhhhhh no
vapid drum
Ok , then update first
gaunt pecan
Where is the update
vapid drum
In TestFlight
gaunt pecan
Didnt find it on app store
vapid drum
You can download TestFlight in the AppStore
Make sure you put gamecenter on
To save your game progress
gaunt pecan
Ok
vapid drum
Game Center is important !!!!!
radiant drum
@gaunt pecan do you play through TestFlight beta or the live version on the App Store?
gaunt pecan
Oh i download this in china ver where can i change it?
vapid drum
Oops , sorry , I thought you were in beta
radiant drum
Oh you play the Chinese live version 😄 this is the beta discussion, let’s take this to #general-sky-discussion
vapid drum
Huh 😱
gaunt pecan
Omg
vapid drum
Whyyyyyyyyy
lusty light
They said they’re waiting for update to get eden
vapid drum
Ok , sky isn’t sky without eden
lusty light
Idk 
that’s what the Chinese players told me
gaunt pecan
Where can i download beta?
lusty light
You have to get invited to beta
vapid drum
Only on invite @gaunt pecan
gaunt pecan
Invite me plssss
lusty light
We can’t do that lol
vapid drum
Hahahahaha,
gaunt pecan
Noooooooo
gaunt pecan
But im sure seen some player get throught that door
vapid drum
Try to get the version in the Philippines
radiant drum
@gaunt pecan send an in-game report about your issue. If it’s a bug or intended, they will explain that
vapid drum
I suppose you’re on vpn?
vapid drum
Are you In China ?
hybrid wedge
@gaunt pecan TGC will announce when the next beta invites are open, keep an eye on the #beta-announcements channel--they said they'll announce it there. 
gaunt pecan
No im fake id to china then seeing this game so i download it
So what im i suppose to do now?
radiant drum
In this version you’re probably gonna have to wait for an update
We gave you many options, it’s up to you to decide 
orchid nexus
#questions-and-help or #general-sky-discussion would be a good place for this conversation
vapid drum
Just curious , has anyone else encountered the lack of barriers after a storm/eden run????
gaunt pecan
Is there a version in philipin
vapid drum
Yes @gaunt pecan
gaunt pecan
Awesome i ll download it
hollow compass
Lol. /head desk/
hollow compass
I’m ready to go to Eden, if anyone is game.
I think I finally got the Mac version to work as well.
gaunt pecan
Whyyyyyyyyy
hollow compass
@gaunt pecan I’m sorry, but it’s not our decision and we can’t help you here. The good news is the game is planned for a worldwide release in just a few weeks.
In other news, I just finished Isle on Mac and went through to Prairie hub. All is black. Wonderful. Just wonderful.
gaunt pecan
Look like om stuck with china version for a while
Ohhhh i know why it not work on my phone
Im download sky: light awaits not sky : children of the light
lusty light
It’s the same game
Children of the light is the global version that’s coming out on the 18th
hollow compass
ok, so regarding the new Eden: ||that heartbeat thing is a little creepy|| but a lot of the new stuff is really beautiful
high ember
Boy, they hid this candle stack in a tough spot. (Two days ago)
I really like hunting for these.
dark badger
So I just did Eden again and it really is more difficult to go solo now
hollow compass
Oh, yes.
spark lance
I thought Eden solo was just as good as before. The ||red rocks|| are pretty easy to avoid.
dark badger
@spark lance when I went through it they drained my energy despite being a fair distance away. They also placed some in the safe spots from the wind/rocks.
spark lance
That’s interesting that you don’t need direct contact for damage. I stood next to a large one in the first safe place next to the light pot. I assumed larger ones had a larger field of damage, but nothing happened there.
@hybrid wedge, your post about singing along in Orbit ... yeah, a little goes a long way. Just like that guy who sits behind you at a concert who needs to prove to his date he knows all the lyrics to all the songs.
vapid drum
@spark lance , it sucked me dry not even standing next to it. And as been said , they are also placed in the hiding spots 😂
But it was an educational trip
solar dragon
@wraith cedar Not spamming at all! Thank you so much - this kind of feedback is actually extremely helpful to the team.
wraith cedar
Oh well then no problem! I’m glad this was able to help you
spark lance
@high ember that star in the Prairie tree isn't that hard to get. Maybe it's not a bug after all.
orchid nexus
Another filter attack. These are more punishing than losing stars!
orchid nexus
It was an irresistible temptation to step on the red rocks in Eden. I can confirm that they work as advertised in release notes!
main ivy
Ha!
@spark lance
Regarding the friend constellation issue: Support wants to know what name you had me as. Was I still Acoweh or did you change it?
spark lance
Hi! I had already changed you to Shira.
main ivy
Ok! Will tell them
spark lance
I sure hope it works, Shira.
Usually when they restore someone for me, the circle shows up. Yours is the first one it didn't, hence the extra work.
orchid nexus
@wraith cedar the 3 person max I believe is the number organically placed in the instance. Players can teleport to friends and fill home up to 8 people still.
wraith cedar
Ah I see
I was worried I wouldn’t be able to meet up with all my friends anymore in live, so I’m glad that’s not the case
spark lance
I wasn't sure how that was going to work either. Clearly Home is full of more than 3 players for the most part.
hybrid wedge
Which kinda seems to defeat the purpose... hrm.
Shira and I were chatting and mentioned a good point--it's been really hard to stay connected with people from the final room in Eye of Eden through the Orbit sequence. Had anyone who had gone through Eden in this new update had better luck staying connected to people going from one level to the next?
orchid nexus
Anyone have auto-sit problems in the forest, like on the bridge or other spots? I’ll post a video.
dark badger
@orchid nexus I’ve been auto sitting everywhere. Even in mid flight.
spark lance
Haven't encountered any auto sitting today and I've played all levels. I'm curious now.
main ivy
No auto-sit here yet either
orchid nexus
@dark badger there’s a “normal” auto-sit that happens if you minimize the app and return, or even use control center or an overlay like discord.
main ivy
Device-specific I guess
orchid nexus
But if you’re seeing auto-sit for no apparent reason, that’s like what I saw too, except it was in specific spots.
dark badger
@orchid nexus I know that. 😑 I’m literally having to same issues as you. I’ll be walking or flying along and then my character just sits.
radiant drum
@hybrid wedge @main ivy since the last two updates, staying connected with friends from eden to orbit seems to have really improved. Friends with me could progress to orbit a lot before I did and we would still stay connected, and no disconnects in eden, so I thought that was mostly fixed. Did you encounter any issues with that?
main ivy
My last run I, once again, ended up in Eden alone 💔
hollow compass
I have mixed feelings about the new Eden. I don't understand the logic of the changes, especially with the added danger/punishment. But I do like the ending better, even if it's still very much Flower and to an extent Journey. The sounds and music are fantastic!
main ivy
@high burrow Yes, I agree. It's frustrating being the one left behind with nowhere to hide, and frustrating being the one ahead having to wait so you're not a krill-summoning jerk to slower players.
spark lance
Back when there was a large shrine there, the cutscene only played in a smaller perimeter near it. It is possible to get through without damage in this current version, but we’re not as familiar with the krill movement patterns as we are in their other locations, so definitely dicier.
main ivy
I don't even bother with them, when I get there first. I wave my candle vaguely in the direction of the golden spinny thing and then run for the gate.
spark lance
Me too, If I’m close enough I fly to opening gate.
The other option if you’re further away is to teleport to Home and then return and hopefully the level might have reset.
high burrow
Did anyone think that forest was back to draining you faster? Went by myself and flew from one Pavillion across path to the other and lost bars out of 7. Thought that was a little high. Haven't tried again yet, but felt like I was back spending more time charging up rather than exploring.
2 bars sorry
vapid drum
@high burrow yeah , the draining goes a bit faster but not dramatically fast as it did before the big update
But I noticed it like 2 updates ago
north coral
Eden is so hard now! I couldn’t do it alone yet all my friends have already done it and don’t go back in.
main ivy
You could always try with friendly randoms!
dark badger
@north coral I’ll go with you if you want
north coral
Agh! I always forget about Random!
high ember
I go to Eden alone most of the time. If I have chat open with someone it’s easier to cooperate as we go, because I don’t want to hold hands around krill. It’s harder to hide two people and I don’t want to be responsible for losing someone else’s stars. But in the red hail, it’s generally easier to hold hands to help keep each other charged, but you get separated when hit. I’d really like to have one player run ahead and light the next shrine and recharge. If they’re unsuccessful they can run back, recharge and try again. If they’re successful, the second player can run up, and even if they lose all their light they can recharge too. Makes for a more successful run.
pulsar blade
beta updates today. i just wonder anyone if the update is an update to download again the entire portals of the game. just had deleted the beta game and reinstalled with on the three day span havent encountered yet download redownload bugs.
radiant drum
@distant condor when submitting bugs in #beta-bugs-ios please include your device and information about the bugs you’re experiencing. The more detailed the better TGC can work on it
pulsar blade
does anyone downloaded already the latest beta build. does it requires again download all portals?
radiant drum
I think every update requires to download the levels. I just updated and had to download them all. Your bug is certainly weird @pulsar blade 
hope it gets fixed soon
pulsar blade
@radiant drum its fixed from previous update and havent encountered the redownloading sequence. im just a little curious that this one might break my game again. hope not. anyway. thanks for the answer.
hollow compass
So many old-timers in the FB group are expressing disappointment in the game’s development. I want to remain optimistic, but it’s difficult. It feels like unless there is some very surprising reveal on world release, this game has moved in a direction that doesn’t interest me anymore.
I’m struggling to understand what the purpose of the game is these days. I want to know how it all connects and perhaps most importantly, why Eden is necessary other than for “special” candle upgrades.
I love and enjoy so many parts of the game, but others have begun stressing me out to the point that I avoid them all together.
main ivy
Eden is needed because we love to suffer! :P
meager basin
Does anyone else instantly lose wing light when touching the new red corruption in Eden? Update notes says it should drain or knock you back, but the slightest touch is knocking me right down and out every time.
main ivy
Same here. Never thought about it before, but yeah that's a bit more than the notes claimed isn't it, haha
meager basin
What is the difference between staying lit in Storm and just letting yourself go out? I’ve tried both, and I don’t notice a obvious difference, but maybe I’m just not very good at it 😉
main ivy
If you go out, you'll lose stars the next time you take damage. Having light gives you some protection, a lot of things will take the light but leave your stars alone then.
meager basin
Hmmm. I just seem to get hit as soon as I venture out of shelter (and sometimes when I’m still in it) and always knocked right down and wing lights lost. I get pummelled with multiple rocks at a time and have lost 10 lights before I could get back up off the ground several times. I can’t tell whether there’s something going on with my system, or whether I’m not playing very well. I do try to time my runs in the lulls between showers, and to avoid the places where the red rocks are falling, and it doesn’t seem to make much difference.
main ivy
Usually I wait for the red hail, wait for the exact moment it stops, then make a run for it. It also helps a lot to have friends, since they can help charge you and prevent losing your light all the time.
But it's also just sorta hard to time in general, between unreliable sound cues, shelters that don't shelter, and poor visibility/camera issues
meager basin
It does seem a little too hard to be satisfying. I don’t mind losing some wing lights to hail, that’s the point, but when I’m only managing to place 10 or so out of 65, the balance feels a bit off. I’ll keep practicing! 😃
hollow compass
The balance between what you lose and what you get isn't very...balanced.
main ivy
Are you going with friends, @meager basin ? Very unusual to place that small a number out of so many. Maybe a friend could take your hand and guide you through once, and you could watch what they do?
meager basin
I've tried both. The first couple of times, I went with a friend. At that point, I wasn't good at the timing, so maybe I was walking straight out into the hail? I don't think so though, it felt as though we'd leave at the same time, they'd make it to the next refuge, and all the rocks would come right at me ;)
They said an interesting thing, which is that the red circles show where the rocks will hit. But for me, the red circles are always centred on me and come at the same time as/fractionally after the hit, which made me wonder whether it isn't me being bad at the game?
main ivy
It's possible the rocks were off time. Sometimes a friend runs when it's safe on their screen, but it's not safe on yours. Though this is mostly an issue in the boulder section, happens less in the hailstorm.
Could also be that you were playing an older version that was more unforgiving. Some of the older versions were absolutely brutal and 100% unfair.
dusky marlin
Is it just me or there is less light to collect all together? I feel I'm doing my regular run and getting much less candles..is it make any sense??
main ivy
Aw man. I'm really hoping it's just your imagination, because I was really enjoying the generous candles and being able to give out hearts all the time.
(I haven't played the newest update yet so I'm not sure)
dusky marlin
Check it when you can and let me know? I'm loosing my mind here
main ivy
I need to finish some notes I'm writing, so it might be a bit, but I'll see if I can get to a good stopping point some time soon and hop in.
main ivy
Yeah it does seem a little slower maybe, @dusky marlin ? I'm generally really bad at noticing that sort of thing so maybe I'm wrong tho
dusky marlin
@main ivy maybe it's a bug..I just finished Westland, and got 2 candles. For the entire level.
shrewd needle
How long is beta going to keep going? Will it be cut off when the game is released, or will we keep playing it so we can catch glitches and give thatgamecompany an easy place to test stuff?
spark lance
It will keep going.
shrewd needle
Will beta ever be cut off? I am guessing that it will be at some time, but would that be like in a year after release, or will it never be shut down?
spark lance
We have no way to know the future of the beta. It would be only speculation.
lusty light
@thin orchid that’s not a bug it’s supposed to be the iap shop to buy candle packages but it’s disabled in beta so it’s a blank menu
thin orchid
@lusty light makes sense!
hollow compass
@dusky marlin I was playing with both iPhone and Macbook accounts and I noticed a difference between the two, but thought it was down to having more candles on one account than the other. As in collecting would slow down the more you have. Hm?
umbral glade
Any subtle hints on the fist-bump celebrate emote? My understanding is that it’s in ||the Valley Kingdom|| but I have no idea where it would be. I run it regularly to collect light, but maybe I’ve overlooked something?
orchid nexus
fist bump is not an emote, it's a friend ability you unlock per friend.
umbral glade
Hm, I guess the wiki image file calls it cheer: https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/sky-children-of-the-light/images/2/2a/Emote-cheer.png/revision/latest?cb=20190613165140
[sips coffee] I totally meant fist pump. [logs off sheepishly]
sullen lodge
||look around a bit once the race ends||
dusky marlin
@hollow compass that sucks if so 😔
hybrid wedge
@high ember Heyyyyy, that post in #beta-bugs-ios sounds super familiar! I take it you're playing in one-handed mode? Bugs like that have basically kept me in two-haded mode for the past month or so, separating me from my True Control Mode Love.
high ember
I’ve tried two handed mode several times and it just doesn’t work for me on an iPad mini. I can’t reach the middle of the screen to call, tap a friend to open the friend menu (I really hate having the menus on the side, they’re in my way) or tap the wing menu without moving a hand completely off the iPad. If I’m going to use two handed, I want it to work like a controller where I keep my hands on the sides of the device at all times. I’m sure it works much better with phones, but not on bigger screens.
I usually play sitting in the recliner with the iPad resting on my lap or the arm of the chair. I hold the upper left corner with my left hand and use my right to tap almost everywhere on the screen.
This works really well for me because I can often use my left thumb for movement and then use my right hand to drag on the screen at the same time to adjust the camera. I switch between left thumb & right index finger all the time for basic movement based on what else I’m trying to do at the same time.
hybrid wedge
I've played on an iphone very occasionally and two handed is great for controller-style, and the screen is small enough that I can tap whatever I need to pretty easily. But I mainly play on an iPad mini, too, and definitely don't like trying to go controller-style. When I use 2-handed, I usually use an index finger on each side so that I can reach to tap on icons and people, and I usually have to set the ipad on some other surface so that I can keep my arms and wrists from getting in an awkward position. One-handed gives me more flexibility with how I hold it, and my hands don't take over so much of the screen space either.
main ivy
@high ember "When I flick to hop, there’s often a pause between hops, making me feel sluggish and causing my kid to move in what I can only refer to as a stuttering fashion"
Ahh! Finally!! Before this I was the only person I heard mentioning this bug, but it is bothering me a ton. I thought it was just something wrong with me! I call it "hopstuck"
umbral glade
I’m at my in-laws’ this week and noticed some stuttering, though not quite like that. I wonder how much depends on the network connection.
thin orchid
@umbral glade i have the same problem quite often 😦
hybrid wedge
Aw I had your back on that bug Shira. But it does sound like you had it worse.
umbral glade
I did get that fun video the other day! 😆
main ivy
Maybe you mentioned it and my memory is just trash, Nagati. I forget like... everything
hybrid wedge
Obviously this just means I need to whine about everything more.
main ivy
Yes! Let's whine!
I want to whine about... I went to the river and got river sand in my shoes! I washed them but there's still sand. When will TGC patch my irl bugs too?
sour tinsel
Ladies and gentlemen of the beta! I’m contemplating very deeply as I compile my last beta report pre-launch, but I want very specific outside opinions to help form a clear assessment.
So if there is anyone here, who’s only joined the beta very recently (say the past few weeks), I wish to ask you a question:
What was (if any) the hardest thing for you to get the hang of in Sky as it is now? And what was the easiest? Please tag me in your response , so I can be sure not to miss you. I’d very much appreciate your input. It will help my report a lot. Thanks, everyone! 😊
charred wedge
@sour tinsel Hello! I've only joined in the past few weeks/month and I think the hardest things for me were/are:
-flying mechanisms; sometimes it'll let you fly downwards, other times it wont
-constellations and figuring out how to get them
-the ending ||I didn't realise you were supposed to die so I kept quitting in frustration||
-getting the hang of wind
hollow compass
I just went through Eden in Soft and I must say I prefer the option to be able to go through it alone, even if I "enjoyed" the communal experience I had last time in the beta version. But somehow, the ending part feels like something you do alone. In real life, we all die alone and so it would be logical that the game is similar. Other than that, I think the beta version has visually improved a lot. I found myself stumbling and falling through gaps a lot in the Soft version, and I know the route basically by heart now, so that was a surprise.
main ivy
Man, they really nerfed candle collection, didn't they. I had been really enjoying sending a heart to a friend every day while still having some candles left over to make new friends or buy an emote level. Now I'm struggling to make any candles at all. The 1 candle in wasteland estimate is spot on :(
With collection this slow, affording any non-seasonal items will be extremely difficult.
I hope this isn't a push to make more real money candle sales. It's not nice when games make something purposely too limited or too frustrating so they can sell you a solution.
hollow compass
I have this sneaky feeling the game is going more and more in a direction of farming and collecting, rather than social interactions and...oh, what was it again...altruism...
Let me quote someone from FB, when they saw a video of the dying part in Eden: "That looks terrifying! I thought this game was supposed to be relaxing."
main ivy
Haha, I like Eden though. Bring on the suffering!
hollow compass
I don't like the fact that you have to go through it (and now also forcing you to play with others) just to get some fancy accessories. It's not a good motivator for me.
dusky marlin
@hollow compass my husband went through Edan alone last night and got out with 5 candles 😱 my last run ended up with one 🤦🏻♀️
@main ivy I feel the same way regard the light. It's harder to collect it, takes more time, I find myself thinking 1000 times before adding new friends, and open chat is way too expansive now..😔
hybrid wedge
@dusky marlin It looks like they got some of the economy information they needed after the reset 😆. Tbh I was feeling like things seemed oddly abundant. I don't think it will change how I decide whether to give that initial candle though, because that person will usually end up sending me light in the friend constellations, so it all evens out.
I don't think it's a bad thing if chat feels expensive to unlock, though. Emotes give us such a range of expressions to communicate, and honestly chat can really interfere with playing the game. I have a number of friends who I hardly ever, or never, chat with, but I love playing with them and value having them as friends.
hybrid wedge
@main ivy Chit-chatting more about your feedback post—
I feel you on Rainy Aunt. I’m sad that (apparently) she’s set to being grabby and jerkish to our kid. Similar with the Twins, who snatch away the light we carry and seem to play keep-away with it.
Heh, it took me some time to figure out what the illustration in the close wing button what supposed to be. Even now I see a fancy swirl before I see a person and cape. I dearly miss being able to flick between flight modes. It was so much easier than having to carefully tap precisely the right spot for a button on the screen, and it didn't have the kind of overshooting issues we have, especially when we're somewhere that closed wing mode isn't made accessible.
I prefer the fuzzy darkness on our kids over the jagged rocky darkness. The jagged darkness always looked odd to me, kind of like it was just stuck on rather than sticking to and threatening to cocoon us—but maybe that was because it wasn’t polished as much as the fuzzy darkness appears to have been.
empty inlet
I thought today is holiday 🤣
main ivy
@hybrid wedge I never felt like the rocks were just stuck on, since if you look closely you can see some of them going all the way through arms or legs. Which is super dark and I love it
umbral glade
Wow, yeah, two candle in Wasteland even with the seasonal bonfire candles there today. Hm.
main ivy
I do feel like it was maybe a bit too generous before, but now it feels like it has swung way too far the other way.
I feel like the perfect amount would be about 4 candles per level. That way you can hop in, play a little bit, and be able to send a heart to a buddy without going broke.
If that's too much for people who speed collect all the levels, maybe your collection rate could decrease as you play more in a day. So your collection rate would start out generous, but slow down if you're doing serious light grinding over multiple levels.
orchid nexus
I have some thoughts about the new message candle non-quest spots. I've seen a couple strangers leaving identical messages at every station, and it's bothering me. I'm not sure if this behavior is encouraged by the new setup, i.e. that a message that earns hearts is going to be repeated more frequently just because there's an incentive to behave that way. Or if earning "likes" is too similar to the Facebook-style of self-promotion that leads to controversial content getting more engagement. I think this example will probably persist after launch, maybe increase by just as much as the population of the game increases, and I worry about general toxicity of people leaving their thoughts anonymously littered around. It's easy to leave messages that don't merit "report" for abuse, and which wouldn't be removed under any reasonable, even strict set of rules, but that still negatively impact the experience of players. There's a whole world of trolling, and endless sources of controversy that could come pouring in.
main ivy
I like message spots a lot.
I wonder if the more hidden ones would be less prone to abuse? Since there's less traffic and more excitement in discovering them. Most of the out in the open ones past the prairie might benefit from not existing.
The amount of 'likes' something has should probably not be visible at all, to anyone.
I wonder if hiding a message could act like a secret downvote for it. Though if anyone found out about it, that would probably be abused.
orchid nexus
It makes me want to suggest thing like "dislike" which is not at all a good suggestion. Secret downvote that removes a candle after a threshold maybe, but sometimes I ❤ a candle and then hide it so I can see more.
main ivy
Ahh yeah that would be a problem
orchid nexus
I like the idea of the candle spots, but only as long as they don't become toxic waste dumps. What about the option to hide messages from a particular player? I'm not sure how that would be implemented tho.
main ivy
Yeah it would be nice to be able to hide a few toxic message leavers here and there
orchid nexus
I don't know if muting a friend, or unfriending would hide candles, but I don't want to friend someone just to mute them.
main ivy
Also sometimes I like my friends and want them to stay friended but maybe don't enjoy the messages they leave
high ember
Yeah I know a couple doing that. Some will like every candle regardless of content. For me, it’s gotta have some meaning. I’ll leave a silly one now and then but I try to leave something nice or maybe just whatever’s on my mind at the moment (pizza was on my mind in Prairie so you’ll see one of those 🤣). I don’t give likes to messages that were left just to try and get likes.
high ember
0.4.10 (137417)
Just ran Eden. They seem to have “softened” it. It’s not so brutal any more.
- In the very first area, that lantern has been moved from the sheltered area on the right closer to the path we’re supposed to take. I think this willI help keep players on track, especially those unfamiliar with Eden.
I didn’t get seriously stunlocked until the very end of the red rain. Knocked down quite a bit, but not pinned down like before. The hiding places seem to do a better job of actually hiding us, but as expected, it gets more difficult as we progress. After dying, the harsh collisions and shaking video when flying into rocks has been considerably muted. The collapsing towers have been similarly softened and it seems there’s a lot less flashing from lightning.
There’s a new animation of your kid flying straight up as you leave the floating city’s ruins behind. It’s a zoomed out shot. I like it.
2. The spirits fly through Orbit in the expected manner, face forward, arms extended. Except handstand guy with the pink cape. He flies through Orbit backwards, on his back with his arms crossed behind his head, like he’s sitting in a recliner relaxing, then waves as you fly by. 😂
I love that we don’t have to spend time upgrading the cape every time we get enough stars as we walk past the spirits. You just run by and they’re added. However, when you get the first one, the cape just pops into existence. I think the “glowy rings, jump into the air and spin” animation would be appropriate when we regain our capes.
As you walk toward the final gate, for some reason it’s like you’re moving through molasses. All movement is very slow and flying is near impossible. Also, you no longer recharge in that area and can’t fly with the star children you rescued and sent to the sky. ☹️
orchid nexus
@blazing stone why should you no be able to select text? Look up or translate or whatever seems fine if you really want to...
blazing stone
@orchid nexus I’m not really sure how to explain it , but it kind of takes me out of the immersion of the game.
Like, it’s a part of “the real world” inside the world of Sky. You can’t copy and paste anywhere else in the game. Just seems a little out of place to me.
orchid nexus
I don't know if I've tried, but now I think I should be able to select text from the chat area.
spark lance
@patent karma - about your bug report of lit candles for which the wax seems to be stalled, sometimes exiting the area and returning will trigger the wax correctly. I see this happen most often when someone else has lit a larger candle cluster, especially at end of Valley. I agree it is bug too.
patent karma
@spark lance I did try that and the candles 'flaming dots' weren't there the next time I went in. So maybe it's a lag on my phone (6s).
spark lance
Maybe it’s the device, but it’s good you reported it.
patent karma
@spark lance total side note - are you a dune fan? My SO's uncle is Brad Dourif who played Piter De Vries. Ok...back to sky...
spark lance
@patent karma that is very cool! I am a fan of Dune and I hear there is a remake coming out. My name is short for Dunesurfer, one of my favorite things to do in Journey.
spark lance
My seasonal candles just converted!
humble fossil
The amount of joy I felt from seeing this hhhh💛
tulip moat
Just got eight wedges for the first time, then minutes later I finally got the PURPLE CAPE!!!!
Now to try and finish the forest constellation, first stop is chibi mask 😍
orchid nexus
@main ivy the dark areas around the jar sanctuary are fun! And that's where the candle-smiley is.
main ivy
@orchid nexus Ok but I want to be able to at least see back there, haha. I hate going back there because it's just pitch black.
@humble fossil I KNOW!! Ah man, I was so happy when I noticed :D
hybrid wedge
Question to the void--is anyone able to skip the cutscenes in the village area of Prairie when each of the mantas appears?
lusty light
No
empty inlet
I found that annoying
lusty light
You can skip the mini vault cutscenes so you should be able to skip those too
hybrid wedge
Last time I went through Vault prior to this current build, I think the only Vault cutscene I could skip was the one with the four ghost mantas.
I wish we could skip the mini-cutscenes with the lanterns flying around and such, too. In Prairie I can never skip the manta cutscenes, but I'm not sure if that's intentional or a bug.
main ivy
We used to be able to skip the mantas forever ago, didn't we?
Now I just make sure I do everything else first, then light the candles, then fly off to the next island. If you get too far you escape the scene.
hybrid wedge
I can sometimes escape the one at the volcano. When I try to escape the other two, my kid just ends up flying blindly around while the cutscene plays.
That strategy works when I'm in the area by myself, but usually I'm not. : -/
main ivy
I think the one on the 'left' (assumed facing the castle) is the hardest for me to escape because of the angle. The one closest to the castle isn't too hard though, you just need to remember to get a wedge or two of height before you choose direction.
hybrid wedge
Ah, I'll have to try more carefully with flying then. Still, it gets annoying to have to sit through the same unskippable cutscene for the umpteenth time.
ancient nexus
isnt it weird that we're able to purchase the lvl3 emotes without having to get some lvl2 emotes?
main ivy
It is a little funny, but the game seems prepared for it. I guess it's nice if all you want is the cosmetic and you don't care about picking up that emote upgrade, you can skip it.
lusty light
The l2 emote is just a sparkly l1 emote so I like that I can get the fancier animation without having to get the ✨✨
crystal fractal
@tulip moat Which spirit shop did you get your purple cape from?
tulip moat
@main ivy @hybrid wedge it is possible to avoid the three manta cutscenes, it requires not lighting the candles. To help, only move by dragging your finger across the characters feet. This helps you from getting too close by giving you more precise control.
It’s not super easy, but you only have to avoid lighting one out of the three sets of candles to avoid the final and longest cutscene
main ivy
Yeah, but then the manta ray never shows up! Haha
tulip moat
And @crystal fractal, I got the purple cape from the top right forest spirit. I think the emote is embarassment. But the wiki calls it hands to head
True, but you don’t need the manta ray to reach the koi pond
@main ivy
main ivy
I like them tho
tulip moat
Can’t argue with that ¯_(ツ)_/¯
main ivy
Haha
tulip moat
Also @crystal fractal, the underside of the purple cape is a sky blue-ish color that can be seen while flying. A very pretty cape overall
On another note, does anyone know where to find mute mode? I keep seeing it but can’t find where in the settings it is?
main ivy
There's a little switch on the side of your iDevice that will set it to mute mode.
tulip moat
On another note, does anyone know where to find mute mode? I keep seeing it but can’t find where in the settings it is?
lyric pendant
Hi i was wondering if people have tips on the special candles that you get after you go through eden
I haven't gotten any new candles and I have stuff I want to buy
main ivy
Hi there! Did you remember to ||place your stars at the statues?||
main ivy
Sorry, maybe I misunderstood the question. Could you re-phrase? Have you been through eden yet?
lyric pendant
yes
main ivy
Are you soft launch (app store) or beta (test flight)?
lyric pendant
beta
main ivy
Adn you didn't get any special candles after eden?
lyric pendant
I did
I used them so I was wondering how to get more
I haven't been through eden in a while tho so idk if that's how to get more
main ivy
Ohhh. You have to go through Eden again, yep. Eden 'resets' (||lets you place stars at statues you've already visited, again||) once a week.
main ivy
(Huh, my "drop hands" button is back. Maybe it was bugged and I just needed a restart)
crystal fractal
hey, why do some people have the soft launch version and some have the beta?
main ivy
The soft launch is only available in a few regions, so not everyone can play it. The beta was sign up via email and only a limited amount of invites went out, so not everyone can play that either.
main ivy
Did you get the game through the app store, or test flight?
main ivy
That's soft! :)
crystal fractal
not children of the light
main ivy
Children of the light is the full release version. It's not out yet! But soon
crystal fractal
ohhh ok thanks! 😃
so are the seasonal stuff available in my game?
and how do i get them
main ivy
You have to wait for a season to run! There are none right now, but in the future they'll be back. You'll see a new NPC hanging around in home calling to you, and he will give you some quests. You'll also find new spirits hidden in the levels that you can help out with special seasonal candles (obtained via completing quests or finding hidden seasonal candles in the levels)
main ivy
For normal emotes you have to find the spirit and follow a little scene, but I'm sure you've seen those.
crystal fractal
yep thanks!
hybrid wedge
@tulip moat I've gotten pretty good at burning just the darkness around the candles that summon the mantas, but alas, no amount of careful controls can stop other people from lighting them.
tulip moat
That is very true, but at least you know how, and can maybe tell others so they likelihood goes down
spark lance
@hybrid wedge Thanks for adding the skip request for those. I did that a while back but it pre-Discord I think.
I think I’d rather have a manta doorbell on the side of each building to call them.
hybrid wedge
The sequences are all very beautiful, but it's preferable to have a choice in whether I have to wait for each of them when they play.
spark lance
I wouldn’t mind a consolidated single manta sequence when all three buildings are lit with a skip.
distant shuttle
@main ivy hey shira, what country is the soft launch available in? 👀
main ivy
@distant shuttle
Uhhh, let's see... Philippines for sure... New Zealand I think... and a few other places, maybe? Search the app store for Sky: lights await to see if it's in your country.
radiant drum
@distant shuttle please don’t cold mention members, there are many people here that can answer your questions if they know the answer.
Sky is on softlaunch in the Philippines, New Zealand, Singapore, Sweden and Norway.
distant shuttle
Oops I apologize. Did not mean to be rude. I’ll know for next time. Thank you
distant shuttle
I was able to install “Sky: Light Awaits” (Philippines) 🙌🏼 but then it says it’s not available 😓 ⁉️ I know “Sky: Children Of Light is only pre-order
main ivy
Do you live in the Philippines?
distant shuttle
My mistake 😱I got it to work! I lived in Manila for a while. Thanks for the help
tulip moat
Does anyone know which spirit has the long pants that are kinda like tights? Not the baggy ones
main ivy
The really really skinny pants?
sour tinsel
You mean leggings?
main ivy
Haha. Lots of names for these!
Does this look right?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/585339436322259003/589350627931324416/image0.png
The pointing guy has long skinny pants
lusty light
No! The pointing guy has the short shorts right now
lusty light
A spirit in forest has it rn... don’t remember which
main ivy
No that's the other guy isn't it?
main ivy
Oh, they swapped it? When?
lusty light
Uhhhh idk when but I bought those pants like a week ago or something so then :p
main ivy
This is the other pants icon https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/585339436322259003/589346607477293056/image0.png
but I think these are for the no pants?
(warning: likely outdated picture)
tulip moat
That spirit gives you no shorts
main ivy
It doesn't look swapped to me. Just checked my shiver spirit, it looks like that screenshot
tulip moat
Like I own that one, but it ain’t the leggings one
main ivy
Yeah. So try pointing guy.
Unless that's also not the pants you're looking for haha
Maybe I should just find a picture of the pants
lusty light
When will the spirits wear the pants
main ivy
I get why they don't. They have unique spirit leg designs and all that
lusty light
I know that logically but also they need Pants
tulip moat
TGC let the spirits wear pants! This is an outrage sorta :/
And yeah I’ll get those pointing guy pants
high ember
I want leggings with cross ties now.
main ivy
Oooh. Yeah.
thin orchid
Last week i was so touched running through Storm that had tears in my eyes saving my dear friends. I went 3 times until i saved everyone. And now the statues are anonymous again. Yes we get more candles at the end… but i would better save my friends.
main ivy
Whaaat, they made statues anonymous again? :(
exotic gorge
After unlocking all 39 spirit stars in beta I noticed that a lot of gates were missing once I was reborn is this normal. Not all were missing but most were missing as I collected all the 108 stars again.
main ivy
I wonder if that's intentional or a bug. I remember in the past when players had too many collectables it bugged things out.
spark lance
I hope it’s intentional! And congrats to my friend @exotic gorge for getting his 9 cape wedges. So awesome!
spark lance
@flat dune, thought I’d pick up our conversation here. Let’s meet in Home sometime. That tree star is not so mythical. Hope you got it. 🌟
flat dune
@spark lance I did not 😦
pulsar blade
question. is the latest update requires full download again. 190 mb app size plus portal dowbload?
vapid drum
@pulsar blade I believe so
empty inlet
@orchid nexus For your second point in suggestions, it works for two hand mode, but not for one hand mode. They have to reduce redundant camera movement. It makes you feel useless to toggle the camera a lot
hybrid wedge
Kanpai, I've been using two-handed and have been experiencing the camera ignoring my finger very much on the screen trying to hold it still.
orchid nexus
I use 2-hand mode all the time, and fight the camera auto-movement all the time
empty inlet
I feel frustration even on mac where i can use mouse to have constant control on. Let manual control override automatic one would solve this though. On iOS when I'm skating, i'm just making ||F|| sound every 10 seconds
I really want they make one-hand control works better than two-hand, cause I really love it and other games don't have it
main ivy
I want them to make both modes work equally well! haha
vagrant solstice
There is a list of all the cosmetics on the wiki here https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/Cosmetics
umbral glade
@wraith cedar The ~Eye~ Diamond of Sauron 😱🙈
empty inlet
10 days countdown for global release (unless they push it off again)
vapid drum
@umbral glade nice to meet you too😂. I hope I have some candles , next time we meet.
north dagger
so, anyone else trying to learn a language?
main ivy
I've tried Spanish before, but I just don't retain any of it.
I'm a little better with remembering Japanese, but unfortunately I've never had any access to actual Japanese classes.
What are you trying to learn?
main ivy
Oh! Nice!
I hear the writing system for Korean is really good
main ivy
Nice
north dagger
like hi or good morning, or good night
Jal Ji-nae means how are you
theyre pretty hard to pronounce
main ivy
Yeah, I think Korean and Chinese are both really hard to pronounce when you're used to Latin-based languages.
north dagger
but i think im starting to be able to pronounce them
might be gone trying to learn
Anyoung! (Goodbye)
tropic aurora
@north dagger I’m doing a bachelor in Japanese and Japan studies 
smoky fossil
I thought these ancestor leaders will offer stars but I guess I was wrong. And why is he still offering beard ? I thought his beard is moved to vault ancestors ....
I’m confused
I tried to learn Korean because of BTS. I found it easier to pronounce than write/read... (different topic lol)
hybrid wedge
@distant condor Saw your post about the hole in the floor of Vault--sounds like a good opportunity to go exploring OOB. 😁
(Ooo, new emoji to play with! 
)
vapid drum
Since when is the dead bird in front of citadel back????
Did he went on a Holliday or did i just not noticed it
hybrid wedge
I don't know if it ever went away.
spark lance
I thought he was always there in the last few versions.
vapid drum
Nope , it was gone at one moment. Don’t ask me since what update
spark lance
Maybe he took a pizza break
tropic aurora
@lyric pendant Really fun! Going to spend next semester in Japan as a part of the study as well 💖
high ember
@smoky fossil, that’s a different beard. Completing the entire constellation and visiting the elder in Orbit is how we get their hair now.
lyric pendant
@tropic aurora wow that’s amazing. I hope it goes well!
hollow compass
comes into the chat all shawol-like aneyong!
empty inlet
Idk if others have explained to you about this but, TGC don’t want players know each other’s names in the very beginning because they think sometimes it might be interrupting the game experience.
Something like when you start playing the game in Isle and suddenly someone named himself “BoomBoomBoom” come into your view. Or you helped someone and you two are exchanging candles and becoming friends then that guy ‘s name “hEeEeEeEhAaAaAa” shows up.
@fluid gazelle
main ivy
@smoky fossil
There's a small beard you can buy normally I think, that ancestor offers a longer and more awesome beard.
The vault ancestor has ||a hood-like hairstyle instead.||
empty inlet
I think the name won’t bother that much if you’re just meeting them in game. Also soon after you can chat with that player you may ask his (her) name which is really cool, like you already knew each other then now you starting to build a deeper relationship than just someone you have met.
hybrid wedge
This has been a feature of the game since pretty much the beginning, so I expect they'll be keeping it this way.
empty inlet
I don’t see any chance of them going to change it
empty inlet
I love this font!
north dagger
You can read Japanese? Cool!
high ember
I’m disappointed. The new “ceiling” in the krill swamp is so low I can no longer perch on this rib and krill watch. ☹️
Standing here, I can boost about half the height of a normal boost, then I am shoved back down.
umbral glade
@drowsy moon I noticed that Game Center issue the other day too. Makes sense, but the game should say something. I didn’t realize for quite a while (thought I was having internet issues) until another game wasn’t loading and was clearer about it. 😅
umbral glade
@thin orchid I don't love that save point in the Forest either. I think the manta is intended though—you're supposed to free it by burning the darkness?
thin orchid
@umbral glade That manta was always there. Just now it is under the entrance stone. Before it was visible
umbral glade
Oh, sorry, it sounds like it's doing something different now! I haven't noticed that. Maybe a screenshot in the bugs channel would help.
umbral glade
@spark lance Belated message but I'd buy your dance tunes album. Just link me your SoundCloud when you get it set up. 🖤
spark lance
🤣 I will have to get back to you on that. 😎💃
spark lance
If you haven’t already, do yourself a favor and look at the new player intro. I recorded it but the file is too large to post.
You can safely do this if you have Game Center enabled. Delete the app, turn off Game Center, reinstall the app, and open to view the intro. When done, quit the app, turn Game Center back on, and restart the app. It may take two restarts.
I like this intro; it’s simple and beautiful. However I would prefer to see the line, “Long has passed... and now, you” to instead say “That was long ago ... but now you are here.”
empty inlet
not safe now
there’s chance fail to get your progress from gc
(contact tgc might solve it but
hybrid wedge
Ah, they put text back into the intro? Dune, would you be able to post it to YouTube and link it here?
spark lance
How about if I post the text, @hybrid wedge ?
I’m not aware from Apple that there are Game Center progress restore issues. For extra peace of mind, you can also check your Sky and Game Center backup settings, and create a manual iCloud and iTunes backup.
empty inlet
Well...backup doesn’t help much
hybrid wedge
That would work too. Gives me a reason to go check it out in person too.
empty inlet
I can record the intro
hybrid wedge
Kanpai I've used backups to restore my Sky accounts two or three times. It works. : )
empty inlet
really?
hybrid wedge
Yep.
spark lance
Yes, it works flawlessly
empty inlet
like backup all files in iTunes?
hybrid wedge
The account isn't saved on the device, so even the one time I used a backup that was several months old, my Sky kid was current when I restored my device.
Yes, a regular backup to iTunes.
empty inlet
I enabled all auto-upload settings though
That takes a lot of time
and many of my other files will be gone
hybrid wedge
Well, the option is there if you want to try it.
spark lance
Think I should spoiler the text?
radiant drum
I recorded the new intro, I will upload in #screenshots-and-videos ^^
And yes dune I think so
hybrid wedge
Spoiler text can't hurt.
spark lance
This is the intro text:
|| United in the stars, our light was infinite.
But darkness blinds, and so we were cast away.
Together, we formed a new home amidst the clouds.
If only we had listened ...
Long has passed ... but now, you.
Please. Bring us home. Reunite us in the stars.||
hybrid wedge
Thanks for posting it!
empty inlet
||I still don’t know what are we||
spark lance
My edits would be:
|| United in the stars, our light was infinite.
But darkness blinds, so we were cast away.
Together we built our new home in the clouds.
If only we had listened ...
A long time has passed ... but now you are here.
Please, bring us home. Reunite us in the stars.||
umbral glade
Oh that's great! I wish I had seen that when I started.
@spark lance I would also buy your poetry collection. Or your edited poetry of others. Anything really.
spark lance
@radiant drum Thanks for posting it!
radiant drum
Having a hard time with discord uploading my video
spark lance
I am constrained by the 8mb limit. I even edited it in iMovie but can’t reduce the size enough even at 360p.
Maybe someone with a Nitro account could do this.
radiant drum
I have a nitro account 
I want my paid privileges and upload my video 
Discord defeated me but it’s up!
spark lance
It’s too bad the audio and level download progress is displayed during the intro. I know to keep the app size under the 200mb cellular download limit, this is the best solution, but it really detracts from the intro’s flow. It’s particularly crowded on an iPhone.
empty inlet
Maybe hiding the text will be great
also in ios 13 you can cancel the limit manually
viscid dragon
Dune, it’s a little annoying but I just upload unlisted to YouTube and post it here. It embeds at least so people can play it easily.
spark lance
Nice, Tailsun. What do you think of the intro?
shrewd needle
@radiant drum , I found that new intro nice, but really dislike how there was captioning at the bottom. To me, that ruins discovering and interpreting the story yourself, like was done in Journey and Flower.
It seems out of character for a thatgamecompany game.
spark lance
Though Abzu is not a thatgamecompany game.
empty inlet
lol
main ivy
Wow! That new opening is actually beautiful. I really like it. I didn't think TGC could make the text work, but they made it work!
So it seems that the Sky people are ||space people!||
The only change I'd make would be with the line ||"But darkness blinds, and so we were cast away"||
It's too sort of... abrupt? Casual?
I'd change it to something like... ||"But blinded by the darkness, we were cast away"||
Though I guess there is one more thing I'd change, just not having anything to do with the text, haha. The first thing we see of the Sky kid is still a mystery butt! It's hard to recognize as anything but a weird lump, if you're not already assuming it's a kid.
vapid drum
Am I the only one who feels that sky: light awaits , was a part 1 and sky: children of light is a part 2 ??
Even the title suggests that the light awaits , and now is finally here.
For us to collect and return
hybrid wedge
Note: Text wall about the new new new new intro commencing—
My personal preference would still be to see this sequence without text, but it’s 7-ish days til the global release, so that’s perhaps a different conversation.
If there’s going to be text here, abstract language resonates with me more deeply. It gives us more to chew on and makes a wider range of intellectual and emotional understandings possible. @main ivy I actually prefer “But darkness blinds” in this pairing. There are two topics this sentence is talking about so it clues us that they’re connected, though it leaves us space to imagine how or why. Plus, there's a fun contrast between the active voice in “darkness blinds” and the passive voice in “we were cast away.” Was the darkness too powerful or did they gave into willingly? Were they cast away by the darkness or something else?
“If only we had listened” feels out of place, in part because the meaning suddenly gets quite narrow and concrete when the text had started out more broad and abstract, in part because it is the least unique of the lines in the intro. It’s also a little confusing that “home” is used twice but indicates different places. Is home in the clouds, or in the stars? I assume the stars but it was used specifically to refer to the clouds. I think we can still effectively understand the prologue and our mission without the second mention of it. The entreaties of “please” and “reunite us” (not to mention the figure in the cutscene) also make it clear that we’re the ones being spoken to, so the somewhat unnatural phrasing “but now, you” can be left out as well.
So if the text stays, and assuming the last line with specific instructions to the player needs to be kept, I would shift it to something roughly like,
United in the stars, our light was infinite. But darkness blinds, and so we were cast away. Together we formed a new home amidst the clouds We lost it in our grasp. Long ages crumbled into dust. Please. Reunite us in the stars.
Thank you for joining this week’s Nagati Text Wall.
main ivy
Oh oh please don't take out the "But now, you"
I love that part. That hit me really hard
radiant drum
looks at Nagati and Shira and eats popcorn
(Also nagati you should transform that into suggestion form and post it in #wishlist-and-ideas-archived!)
(Also nagati you should transform that into suggestion form and post it in #wishlist-and-ideas-archived!)
main ivy
Usually I agree with Nagati, but here I must disagree, haha. I really like the one TGC made (other than the darkness line which feels a bit off), it's emotional to me. The one Nagati wrote feels more detached to me.
(No offense or attack on Nagati meant, of course. Nagati is a cool friend and I respect her suggestions even when I disagree)
hybrid wedge
shares popcorn with Mirian and Shira This is a homemade caramel popcorn recipe, do you like it?
(None at all taken! I like hashing out and discussing different ideas. It's a lot more fun and interesting than if we agreed with each other all the time.)
Plus, I'm always curious about how other people react differently to things in the game and usually don't have the chance to find out. ^^
empty inlet
@spark lance What you mean by "in USA"? TGC is located in the US; you can use testflight in all over the world; for the server they use amazon (maybe more)
main ivy
It's a reasonable confusion, since the soft launch isn't in the US. It's easy to get soft and beta confused.
viscid dragon
Personally, I don’t feel like the text adds anything at all. It’s impossible for me to say what my experience would be as an entirely new player, but I really loved slowly sorting out who these ancestors are, who I am, what I’m doing, why I’m doing it, etc. And after playing even one or two cycles, I felt what that intro text is trying to convey, without all the clumsiness of language. I guess that’s the Tailsun anti-text wall 😝
It really comes down to intention, I guess. It certainly reinforces what I came to figure out. Perhaps a more direct intro sits well for more players... it’s really a matter of taste or expectation
main ivy
I was thinking before that text just wouldn't work, but with this newest opening I was very impressed.
viscid dragon
The new opening is really beautiful, text or no. I’m just always an advocate for “show, don’t tell.”
The mural does a great job of that
spark lance
Update!
hybrid wedge
10 points to Alexdolly for creative use of emoji reactions.
spark lance
The intro text has changed to:
With stars united, our light was infinite.
But darkness blinds, so I cast them away.
Together the stars formed a new home amidst the clouds.
If only they had listened ...
Long has passed ... but now I call to you
Wake up, my child. Bring the lost stars home.
hardy shore
could you stop with the constant updates i cant even join my friends and before those daily updates i could
wraith cedar
I’m pretty sure they tried fixing other bugs which resulted in more bugs
orchid nexus
lol no, I don't think the constant updates can be stopped.
hardy shore
well they're making the game unplayable
orchid nexus
The game is being made ready for launch, and beta will just always have instabilities, because, you know. beta
hardy shore
it didn't have as many bugs before
vapid drum
@gusty sluice it seems you already gave a stormcandle , you cant give more then one
orchid nexus
rob, no the video shows them trying to unlock teleport, which apparently costs 1 storm candle, in addition to the storm candle already spent to unlock the second tier of friend abilities. I don't have any storm candles to test this right now, but I will on Sunday 😄
vapid drum
Oh , sorry , i didn’t see it was teleport that he wanted to unlock 😂. It worked in the past update. Unfortunately I don’t have any storm candles left to test it too
cunning patio
Hi, is the Mac version have controller support?
gusty sluice
I failed in giving a third friend a first storm candle. Then I succeeded to unlock TP with the first friend.
gusty sluice
I first tried to unlock TP with friend A(second video) yesterday. I thought my candle has -1. Then I succeeded to unlock TP with a friend B. And today I failed to unlock TP with friend C(first video) then succeeded in giving a spirit. And still failed to give friend A a storm candle and failed to give a first storm candle to friend D. Finally succeeded in unlocking TP with friend C.
empty inlet
The Japanese font used in the game, free for personal use
https://www.flopdesign.com/marugothic/marugame-font
main ivy
Aw man. Just saw the new intro text :(
I don't like this one nearly as much. For a lot of reasons.
"But darkness blinds" was the only bit I though sounded awkward before, and it's still here.
"So I cast them away" So immediately I'm feeling like the speaker here is cruel and possibly evil. At very least someone who made a massive mistake that hurt a ton of people. Not a good time right off the bat.
"If only they had listened..." Now feels like the speaker is not only cruel, but now is blaming the people they hurt for the effects of the speaker's actions. Comes off very threatening and victim-blamey to me.
"Now I call to you" doesn't hit me the same way as the previous version at all. Not nearly as emotional.
"my child" I don't want to be this person's child, they sound like a complete jerk.
"Bring the lost stars home" What, to be with whoever tossed them out? Are they really better there?
umbral glade
Yeah, agreed. I don't like the voice in this "active voice" version!
I agree about figuring it out just by playing… that was part of the mystique. I also wasn't too far off, but one of the things I said in the survey they asked me was that some framing would be nice. However, this seems almost too framed, and changes the perspective quite a bit.
If this is the perspective, I guess I misunderstood, and I can catch up, but I liked the "lost our way" mentality rather than the "I cast them away".
main ivy
I thought the previous version was so good. I was so impressed with it. I am very not impressed with the new one.
umbral glade
A subtle change but a significant one!
hybrid wedge
It feels very much like a direct retelling of an Old Testament story. Not a fan.
empty inlet
@high burrow Not a bug, that’s how it goes
high burrow
Bummer! Thank you 😊
wraith cedar
Maybe it should give a small message when buying wing buffs outside of Eden, something like "you’ll receive this reward next time you finish Eden"
Just so players wouldn’t get confused on why they didn’t earn any wing buffs after buying them at Home
lusty light
You should buy wing buffs while you are still at eden so you don’t have to do it a second time
wraith cedar
I know you can do it there so you get the wing buffs instantly but it’s just for people who might get confused and buy them at Home
umbral glade
@sour tinsel Interesting candle breakdown!
hybrid wedge
@sour tinsel Replying to your post in #wishlist-and-ideas-archived --
Post-reset is the first time I've felt like I truly needed hearts in probably close to a year. I haven't kept track of how many hearts I get, but I'm pretty sure it's been fewer than what you described for yourself. It's been a bit frustrating to not have "my" appearance back. At the same time, I put more value now in the hearts I receive from friends because I know it takes more effort to get those candles, and I know that there are a lot of other people out there they could have given them to.
I suspect that it's a very, very fine balancing act to create a heart system that retains a deeper meaning, and keeping people engaged when they want to earn stuff at a certain pace but can't. I appreciate that we have a few ways to get easy hearts now. But I think being able to inexhaustibly purchase your own would lessen the meaning a gifted heart carries. It would no longer be in part a symbol of how ultimately we all rely on everyone else. So--a hard balance.
main ivy
I still think candles were a bit too difficult last time I played (unless it has been changed recently- I haven't been playing much since my last doc was finished.) If candles are too scarce, it not only impacts cosmetics, it impacts sharing. It means having to carefully hoard candles to upgrade emotes instead of spending on friends.
hybrid wedge
Yep, very true.
pulsar blade
kindly ask if the beta update is beta update again of all content. including portal download again?
sour tinsel
You make a good point, @hybrid wedge . After all, my opinions aren’t perfect - I’m sure. (And thank you, @umbral glade for your kind compliment. 😊
hybrid wedge
Opinions are by nature subjective. But they're fun to discuss!
empty inlet
@faint cargo Want to note that they used to have one, but removed
faint cargo
@empty inlet Interesting to know! They probably have a reason for doing so.
@main ivy I think so too! When somebody remind me to keep the candles for myself instead of upgrading friendship interactions with them, I realized how rare candles are and became more hesitant to make new friends. Keeping the one free candle a day might be a good idea to keep people playing the game more frequently. After finishing the worlds and emotes the players will spend most of the time farming for more candles so some might burn out of interest.
sullen lodge
is there an extra reward to burn the big dark plant in upper krill swamp? for obvious reasons it would be much harder to burn than any normal dark plant, i've noticed the krill's light shine directly on it every few seconds
high ember
Nope, it’s been done. Just wax. Large groups have burned them a few times; I even got to join in once.
sullen lodge
huh, i originally thought you'd either get more wax than usual or the sphere at the bottom of the plant would be blocking a secret entrance
hybrid wedge
@faint cargo It's not home space, but the pairs of chat benches in the social spaces of each level can allow up to four people to chat together.
wraith cedar
I think the big plant in the upper krill swamp should give a way bigger reward for being so difficult and risky to burn down
sullen lodge
maybe something that's not wax? a secret room with lots to interact with?
thin orchid
About new cancel friendship feature -- would we be able to become friends again, like we never met before or it is really permanent?
gusty sluice
@sullen lodge There’s nothing like that lol
Or you can send this idea to #wishlist-and-ideas-archived
hybrid wedge
@thin orchid It seems like it's permanent. A friend who had removed my candle (back when it was still candles) tried to interact with me a couple weeks ago but IIRC tapping on me didn't show anything, they couldn't offer me high five or hug or anything. I think I just appeared nameless when we were in the same area together.
thin orchid
@hybrid wedge Yes, i have a friend like this. But if we remove them as well can we start as we never met or we'll be blocked forever? I'll try to do an experiment 😃
Yep, it is permanent 😦 The blocked friendship sign appears on both sides.
spark lance
You can ask Support to unblock a friend via an in-game request.
thin orchid
@spark lance Yes, i did it once. Now probably we both need to ask to unblock us! (Not in this case, it was a dead test account)
empty inlet
It’s still permanent now?
radiant drum
@thin orchid after logging in to Game Center, make sure to force quit the app and open it again if it gets stuck on that message ^^
solar dragon
Hi all! A bit of a late notice, so sharing here as well:
Join the team live on Twitch today for our latest Play with the Devs Livestream (Beta)! We'll be joined by Environment Artist Aaron, who will be showing you some of his favorite places in Sky.
If you're on the Beta (version 137804) and want to play along, meet us at the entrance of Forest for a chance to hang out with us.
🕒 Today at 3PM PST
🔎 http://twitch.tv/thatskygame
spark lance
We now have the ability to unblock friends. I tried it and it works. This is great! Thanks TGC.
empty inlet
Good to know
spark lance
I think Support got tired of me asking for unblocks so often. 😆
spark lance
@hybrid wedge Re: your race bug, I had the identical experience today.
hybrid wedge
Ha, did I inadvertently basically repost your bug report?
spark lance
No, I didn’t post anything about it. I was going to retest tomorrow but don’t think it’s necessary after reading your bug report.
hybrid wedge
It may be helpful to post that your device has it too? idk.
spark lance
The only difference for me was that I didn’t teleport. I ran the race normally and then it got pretty weird in the bottom half.
hybrid wedge
Ahh. I was wondering if my teleporting had anything to do with it (though the ongoing cheering and still-visible emote has been happening for a while).
spark lance
I can post that, sure, because my fabulous and very vain iPad Mini 5 loves to be mentioned as often as possible.
hybrid wedge
iPad mini represent.
spark lance
The other oddity was that the end of race triumph music continued to play inside the temple even after all candles were lit.
hybrid wedge
Yeah, that was a first this time around.
hybrid wedge
@exotic gorge Ha! That explains why I couldn't find that last cluster. 😆
vapid drum
@spark lance i had the same happening to me 2 updates ago. I played the race as normal , being able to collect wax and then half way the race transitioning to the purple part where you have to do the rest on the ground , all my collected light and the meter were gone. No more light present on the track either. I had to redo the race then
spark lance
@vapid drum Did you redo the race the sane day with good results?
high ember
I think I know what the beta players are getting as a gift from TGC for testing.
(image from the end credits)
A very light blue cape. TGC’s blue on their logo.
We’ll see if I’m right soon!
main ivy
I always associate the hand logo with that blue, now I'm imagining a cape with fake hands sticking out at random, hahaha
high ember
Hey the chat bench in front of the Prairie temple is back too.
gaunt pecan
Guys if not count eye of eden how many star can we get ?
lusty light
58
spark lance
with all emotes upgraded, 98 + 10 in Eden = 108
spark lance
there’s 39 perms
lusty light
Oh
lusty light
Wait that still doesn’t add up 
it should be 107
gaunt pecan
Ohhhh wait im not on beta ver
spark lance
59 + 39
lusty light
I thought there were 58 stars 🤔
spark lance
are you including the tree star?
lusty light
Tree star?
spark lance
the one in Oreoland
hollow compass
I can never find that one.
umbral glade
I am @ everyone dude today. 😂
umbral glade
Hmm, I noticed a friend I can’t rename, whether seeing them or at home. Is that normal? Not really a photo I want to post though, you know?
hybrid wedge
Weird. Network connection issue? Still happen after restarting?
umbral glade
Did before but will try. I usually rename a friend after I learn their name and this was the first time I had a problem.
A lot has been glitchy yesterday and today though, so maybe that’s one! But others have still worked, haha
hybrid wedge
Maybe the game just realllly disapproved of the new name you wanted to give them and executive noped it. ^^
umbral glade
Content filter: activated!
(It wouldn’t even let me get to the rename popup, just failed on the “rename?” check button. So odd.)
hybrid wedge
viscid dragon
Note: Do not name friend F### S#### Butt-Man P###
limber falcon
thanks for the heads-up lol
viscid dragon
Or "Way"
hybrid wedge
Definitely don't name your friend "Going To." Filter will censor that filthy phrase faster than you can type "Argh red text whyyyy?!"
spark lance
Please everyone let’s keep this and all other channels family friendly.
orchid nexus
@shrewd needle your video in bug report is “shiny mode” glitch. Just force quit and start the game again until that goes away.
umbral glade
@eager lily That channel is for looking for players to group together.
Beta is closed/full, but the game will be out Thursday. They may open it up again, watch #beta-announcements for any news.
eager lily
thank you @umbral glade
so for now they're full...
man I just want to dive in the experience.
umbral glade
Yes. They reset around the beginning of June. That’s when I joined but some others got bumped out. I think it was a full reset of test slots so everyone had to rejoin.
I’m glad I have been able to play but I’m bummed someone else didn’t! You know? 
eager lily
yeah... hold hand for that
radiant drum
At least the game will be launching pretty soon! So not a long wait ^^
eager lily
I pre-ordered it the first day it came out on appstore. It said 11/7
then they delayed it to 18/7
shot right through my heart that one sobbing
radiant drum
Yeah it was pushed back a week, but definitely worth it for some final changes
umbral glade
They have been busy for sure. Recent updates have tightened up the ship. (And other areas too, haha)
eager lily
so tell me. What's this game about? you have to explore the land and find stuff? Many places require friends to go in?
and it's better to play with friends right? That's all I want to hear
umbral glade
Yes yes and yes. There are some videos if you search for ‘youtube’ that show the intro that frames the story.
eager lily
I did, but I don't want to spoiled the experience thoguh so I watched some flight test and hold hand
umbral glade
Def better as friends. Nice to join others whether working together or even to help someone
eager lily
can't wait to get my girlfriend into the game and explore the world while holding hand
come one sobbing
radiant drum
The game is a social experience with some pretty levels to play in! :P
There are some places that requires cooperation, but the game is definitely better when played with friends!
eager lily
I've been looking for a cooperative game so I can chill with friends for a loooooooong time now
this might be it
main ivy
Oh yeah, Sky is perfect for that
radiant drum
My advice is to explore the game in your own pace when it launches if you’re not spoiled already!
Also yeah, sky is so perfect for that. Chilling with friends and making new friends is the best part of the game
eager lily
so the main goal is to collect this wing thingy that scatter around the land right?
you just explore and collect it as you play
radiant drum
Basically yes, collect stuff around the world while you play and bring it to the end with you for ~something~
eager lily
but for example if I'm pretty fast and collect more than my friend, would it be ok to still party up and explore more?
radiant drum
Oh there’s a lot of replayability in the game, everyone can play at their own time and still progress together
eager lily
omg the dream game..
radiant drum
And you can always just stay at one place just chatting and having fun too :D
eager lily
that's sounds like what I will do haha
ahh I have one more question. For as far as I can see, there's candles thing in the top left corner. What does it do? Is it some kind of currency here?
radiant drum
There’s a lot of incentive in the game to help other players or seek the help of others, so even if you have 100% of everything in the game you can still help and experience it again with a friend that might be having their first playthrough
Candles are the main currency of the game. You get them from lighting actual candles in the game and some quests and they’re abundant in the levels, and you can also buy them at the store with real $$$
You use them to unlock many things from cosmetics to friend interactions
eager lily
I see! But light actual candles in the game, are they many? Like if you really into customize, must you pay to unlock those? Or can you just play and eventually you will have enough to unlock? That's my final question . THank you!
radiant drum
There are many candles in the game, like many, everywhere! Each one gives you Light and collecting enough light you can forge a Candle, so you can easily get your candles just by playing the game to buy cosmetics and unlock stuff
They reset daily so you can collect them each day, and as of now I think you can get around 15 candles everyday which is pretty good 😄
hollow compass
@spark lance Sorry, the word I proposed for a name is still possible to write in the game despite the filter, so it was more of an inside joke. Also, I don’t think you can sign into Game Centre or use iStore without a credit card, so everyone here should be an adult. 😉
But then again, I think the game is 12+, so technically a child could get it installed on their device through an adults account.
Discord itself is recommended for 13+.
radiant drum
You definitely can sign into Game Center without a credit card. And even then, this is a family-friendly game and it’s on the rules to filter all profanity on this server, joke or not
hollow compass
I didn't actually think that was a profanity, but then again I'm not English, so my mistake.
I have mentioned to TGC that you can write that particular word also, not because I find it offensive, but because it means the same thing as other words that are more obviously profanities.
thin orchid
As parents we can create kids Apple account. There is such a thing in family settings
hollow compass
I know, I have a child.
Perhaps we are more relaxed about profanities in Sweden or in my household, but I also know that many words that are worse than the one I mentioned are rife even on other "child friendly" sites.
It doesn't mean I have to promote them, obviously, but I also don't think we need to make such a big deal out of it.
I deleted my comment and explained why I wrote it.
thin orchid
Still i find it nice, that my kid doesn't see bad words in Sky 😃
hollow compass
Within the context of the game it's always going to be impossible to know other players' age. They may say they are 18+, when they are not. In general, I think we shouldn't need to use profanities at all when playing. But once it's "out there" for the world to play, things will change.
Lol, my child finds Sky boring. endless tears
thin orchid
My kids enjoyed beta reset, collecting all the emotes again. And now they are bored too, they prefer more active games. But during the seasonal event they've been playing regularly. They are enjoying quests!
hollow compass
Mine likes things like Roblox, Minecraft and Amazing Frog. I think Sky is boring to them because "nothing happens" - haha!
I always thought of Sky as more of an adult's game, because of it's spiritual, almost meditative atmosphere.
There are no bosses, no treasure hunts or combats. It's more about being in the now and thinking about what it's like to be a human.
I should perhaps add that this is also why I am not comfortable with the direction the game is taking lately; focusing more on collecting stars and upgrading emotes.
thin orchid
Mine adore hugs, high fives and holding hands. And they can’t find them in other games. We even play the emotes in real life
hollow compass
Awww
We actually joke play some moves from Mirror's Edge at times and often reference other games too. I love that connection with my child.
We may not enjoy the same games, but we understand each other's joy in the ones we play.
thin orchid
True!
hollow compass
I feel that a lot of parents don't seem to care about what their children play, so I'm glad we share that fascination.
It also helps me in knowing what can potentially be a bad game for a child to play, I hope.
main ivy
@dawn pollen Love that art you put in that Sky doc!
I'm with you on candles being a bit low right now. It must be hard for the game to balance casual players vs heavy grinders. Maybe the first few candles could come easier? Might post something in suggestions about that.
dawn pollen
Thanks for liking my art! OuO
Oh! You agreeing makes me feel assured that something I say will indeed by heard by dear developers. >u<
Why is this on beta discussion though I was talking about the recent Live update jkjk
main ivy
(Wait, were you actually? haha. They're the same issues going on in beta now, regardless)
hollow compass
@main ivy that's because Soft is now updated
main ivy
Ahh
main ivy
Sorry, I've missed a few messages the past few days. Whoops!
main ivy
Yeah. Lots of friends around! 💛
main ivy
That's irrelevant, everyone here is a friend :D
And if you disagree, we'll force the friendship on you :P You can't escape the friendship! 
hollow compass
eeek
main ivy
:P
hollow compass
[ must have 8 friends ]
but to be honest, when I look at my 5 pages full of old friends in beta, maybe a handful of them are still actively playing
main ivy
Yeah. But I think (hope) it will be different in final release!
And even if some of my friend stars are never active again, I see their names and they make me happy.
hollow compass
In Soft I think I currently have 10-15 friends maybe
oh, yes, I remember our adventures fondly
but in beta these days I generally hesitate to make new friends
maybe I should try to purge those constellations and find some new friends?
main ivy
I wish inactive friend stars would just disappear until they log in next or something. It's not fun to feel the need to go on friend purges. Maybe I should visit the suggestion channel again on that.
hollow compass
Yes, that was a good suggestion!
If you're inactive for maybe a week your star goes away temporarily
or something
plus, what with the whole popping up and down thing to light each friend, I'm not going to do that for 5 whole pages full anyway
in that sense, the old candle yard was more convenient
main ivy
Not to mention that if a friend isn't online for weeks, they're not collecting light blessings, so there's 0 reason to send them one.
hollow compass
yep
but they seem to stay lit
at least my alt account does and I haven't played it now for 1-2 weeks, I think
main ivy
Yeah. I like that feature.
hollow compass
Did I miss an announcement about beta being reset on the 18th?
lusty light
No one has said anything about a future reset yet
quiet citrus
@hollow compass yeah i agree, i prefer the old candle yard to the constellations because it's very annoying and time-consuming to tap every single friend star
hollow compass
@lusty light Ah! I just got that impression from some other discussion.
hybrid wedge
[My kid and I] even play the emotes in real life
@thin orchid that is adorable! I now have a new IRL Sky goal 😆
Oh I would go nuts if we still had to light a big pool of candles. I do miss lighting a thing on fire and the meditative aspect of candles, but I also have a lot of people who are active. Their stars still don't all fit in the skies, but at least it's way easier to flip through all the names and way faster to light their stars compared to candles.
hollow compass
Really? For me it’s the opposite. Plus, very taxing on the eyes to have that flickering on the screen.
spark lance
I much prefer the constellations for ease of lighting friends, and to avoid all those ground level real estate issues we had.
hybrid wedge
@hollow compass Yeah, the back and forth does get a bit weary; as a result, I have perfected the ability to tap on the "light friend star" icon before their avatar has finished appearing. ^^
spark lance
I do that, kind of a half tap.
viscid dragon
@quiet citrus Hooray, a fellow friend-candle-misser!
quiet citrus
@viscid dragon yayyy!! 🥰
umbral glade
@thin orchid I love that emote thing too! My kids love those but somehow that never occurred to any of us. Goals for the week! 😂
umbral glade
When does reset happen? I got 9 candles from Eden on Thursday and 9 just now, but I thought it reset tonight? Is it like Sunday is the first day of the reset instead?
spark lance
It resets Saturday at midnight PST
@rotund quail, when you say star counter freezes, I want to know more about what happened.
umbral glade
Aha thanks Dune
spark lance
That will be good to see, Harry.
rotund quail
@umbral glade @spark lance i already posted the bug on FB and Discord channel. Sorry for be late
umbral glade
Just posted in #beta-bugs-ios as well. Not the counter issue for me, just the crash and stuck issues Harry mentioned.
tulip moat
Hello friends, I’m curious as to if ascended candles has more than two purposes (those two being ascending spirits and ascending with friends). With Eden the way it is now, ascended candles are in good supply so I feel like people will have ascended candles and nothing to use them for
I think it would be nice if ACs could be converted to normal candles/hearts at the same place where you revive ACs
high ember
Star (ascended) candles only have the two uses you mentioned, but using them with spirits now costs more than one. Most are two or three candles per wing buff now, but I think I’ve seen one that cost five.
thin orchid
@umbral glade This fun started with the kids! Mine correct me all the time. “No, you don’t do high-five properly the Sky way! You need to jump and clap our hands when we’re in the air”
shrewd needle
Other people have probably asked, but I have missed finding out about this. What is going to happen with beta when the app officially releases? Some friends have said beta will stop, while others say it will continue to test stuff for the released app.
vapid drum
@shrewd needle the beta continues
umbral glade
@thin orchid That’s great. The kids are alright!
spark lance
Something I have been meaning to express appreciation for are the quality and realism of player shadows, in flight and many other places. Very well done, TGC!
dusky marlin
@vapid drum🙏🏻😊
hybrid wedge
@shrewd needle TGC are the ones who said the beta would keep going to be used for testing things. So that's the word you should believe until they say otherwise. ^^
spark lance
A weird thing just happened. When trying to join friends who were waiting at the 8 player gate, I can see their chat while I am in Home (and they can see mine). Not only that, if I stand on the Home beach, I can see their eye icons up in the Sky. Will post as a bug, but I like this superpower!
empty inlet
It has been like this for a long time
Something to do with the matchmaking
You’re still staying with your friends in a same map after you went home, so if you want to join back in you can still do that
Actually really brilliant
spark lance
No, I only stayed in Home. I didn’t go to Prairie.
empty inlet
So what did you do before you see them?
spark lance
Logged into the game
hollow compass
I have seen this happen too in Home. It’s very confusing!
spark lance
I found it amusing, not confusing.
hybrid wedge
I've seen it once, and only within the past week or so, if even that long.
spark lance
It was actually helpful to coordinate the gate logistics
orchid nexus
@spark lance you said in suggestions about post-eden teleport. If you're talking about allowing us to teleport to friends in any level after that, then I understand. If not, then what did you mean?
spark lance
@orchid nexus yes that’s what I meant. The new blanket restriction doesn’t make sense for those of us with adequate cape power.
orchid nexus
it doesn't make sense anyway. If I can walk through the gate, why not teleport through?
spark lance
I can understand if you are reborn with very little cape power that you might not want to teleport to Wasteland
But I would rather see common sense prevail
thin orchid
I can see my friends chat and location eye after i teleport home or cross a gate from home. Feels like home is down and all the other locations are up. I thought it started with chat optimization to reduce device heating.
spark lance
Thanks @thin orchid ... it is interesting to hear others’ experience with this odd behavior. In my scenario I had not been to the location where my friends were. I quit from Home and logged back in, and that’s when I could see the chat and could chat back. I liked it but it felt a bit supernatural at first.
thin orchid
@spark lance I also find it interesting that your friends can see what you type. I thought it is one way
spark lance
It was pretty funny, An. 😆
thin orchid
We have superpowers! Cool
hybrid wedge
Dune: I can understand if you are reborn with very little cape power that you might not want to teleport to Wasteland
I gotta nope that one. If I want to be reckless with my mortality and get my adrenaline going extra fast, let me do it, dangit!
faint cargo
Anybody know if we go into Wasteland with only “permanent” wing stars after reborn and get attacked by Krill, can we recollect the stars anywhere or we will have to go back to Eden again?
empty inlet
You have to go back to eden
Ohh right, talking about valley, do you guys know there’s one light hiding underground on the right? The skating race, where higher on left and right and lower in the middle
Here
It can’t be seen
vapid drum
You mean the small dot on the right ?
empty inlet
Not that one
Actually you can fill the circle in this race if you collect all the light, including the one hidden under the ground
vapid drum
Yeah , I always wondered why there was one light missing
empty inlet
I can show you if you’re curious and free now
vapid drum
Ok , just a sec
dusky marlin
How do you get underground?
empty inlet
Just normally pass through there
vapid drum
@kanpai, not again , this happened to me too several times
When chatting nothing happens
vapid drum
I’m gonna check if I can setup the table to get underneath
Maybe it’s an Easter egg like you said
empty inlet
Cause you can still notice there’s light at this point
spark lance
@vapid drum Just when we thought we had run out of things to obsess over. 😆
vapid drum
@dusky marlin @spark lance this is how you get under
dusky marlin
With the table? i have to try this first thing tomorrow
empty inlet
Table is beta debug tool haha
dusky marlin
lol
vapid drum
😂
Nice scenery
The ground is double layered but I could see the light under the ground when I entered
spark lance
Relieved the mystery of the missing spire has been solved. Nice work Kanpai.
vapid drum
But thanks again @empty inlet I’m finally able to get finish the race completely
empty inlet
No problem
spark lance
And do you get 2 candles for your effort?
vapid drum
I already did the race so I don’t know 🤷♀️
vapid drum
kanpai said you can collect it by just skating over that spot
vapid drum
Can’t wait to see tomorrow
empty inlet
Reward is not worth the effort for collecting all the lights
vapid drum
I miss the daily quests ☹️
vapid drum
I meant the old daily quests in prairie and citadel etc
vapid drum
Those were fun to do , ahhhh , I especially loved that one
empty inlet
It keeps reminding me how ||sucks|| the flying is
vapid drum
😂it’s not that bad anymore
empty inlet
Well i never tried...
vapid drum
Although I had trouble with the manta emote after reset
empty inlet
Summer class is much busier than I thought
vapid drum
The frustration was with the prairie quest where you had to collect light on all the islands
spark lance
So the global live server prep downtime will not affect the beta servers?
faint cargo
@vapid drum about your comment in #beta-bugs-ios , somebody told me that it is due to the file upload limit in Discord. I found uploading the videos to Streamable and sharing the link in the comment a good alternative.
vapid drum
@faint cargo yes , I know , the limitations kinda suck , but I can upload videos in all the other # except the beta☹️
hollow compass
@spark lance I assume it won’t. They’re probably preparing for an onslaught of new players. I’m slightly afraid the servers will crash.
Or that there will be massive lag.
spark lance
I assume that too, but I would like a definitive word from TGC.
hollow compass
I don’t think they would only post for the Live players if it also affected beta.
I’m sure beta is on a different server and it isn’t the same build as Live anyway, so there’s no reason for down time.
spark lance
TGC says beta servers will not be affected with the live server downtime.
hybrid wedge
No, there hasn't been word on that yet. But I would imagine the biggest priorities are to make sure the biggest bugs are squashed, that the servers are in good shape, that all the switching for people on soft launch goes smoothly, that PR stuff is taken care of, etc. Whatever the "thing" is that was mentioned a while back, it's possible that that will happen at some point after the launch.
charred wedge
I'd imagine they'd go through game centre accounts? Since data will transfer
Which, does anyone know how to make sure you're signed in to game centre?
main ivy
I think they might also have copies of player saves over on their servers, too. I know some players who have contacted support about lost saves have been able to get them back.
You know you're signed in to game center when you start the game and briefly, at the top of the screen there's a "Welcome back, (your game center name here" message or something like that.
charred wedge
Okay, how do you sign in, then? I thought I had signed in but I never get that message
hybrid wedge
You can go to Settings and look at the settings you have for Game Center.
charred wedge
Device settings app, or settings within Sky?
main ivy
Device
charred wedge
Cool! Thank you
spark lance
3 more days
heady edge
I’m looking for more friends to exchange hearts 🥺♥️
empty inlet
I guess it will be available on late 17th
spark lance
@umbral glade re: your teleport bug report, we call that function warp. It behaves differently than the friend menu teleport.
umbral glade
Gotcha. Whatever it’s called, I like it! I want it!
spark lance
It is fantastic to have. Try using with a friend when you are exploring the boundaries of wind walls.
umbral glade
Oh interesting. What’s it do there? Something unexpected?
spark lance
Near wind walls it’s easy to get disconnected from hand holding. Warp makes it much easier to reconnect because it works across greater distances than following.
umbral glade
Ahh yeah. Another friend and I used it in Eden and it was similarly very helpful.
empty inlet
One more thing I’m upset about mantas, why we can’t just follow them as before? They drop you down really harshly in Prairie, doesn’t feel like flying with them
spark lance
@umbral glade Let us know any creative uses you find.
empty inlet
The character doesn’t behave like this in vault because we can float
spark lance
In Prairie I viewed it more as polite weaning.
empty inlet
Just suddenly stop in the middle air, seems sudden to me
spark lance
Oh how weird. I have only experienced smooth gliding rides with a gentle drop at the temple steps. When another player has triggered the manta, I like to fly up off her to reach the high temple star kid. Otherwise I use the righthand cloud bank.
empty inlet
Every time i goes up there with manta it makes me feel there is a wall which manta won't hit, just me
north dagger
@empty inlet (for your beta bug) i think that’s in every area, as its happening for me too
hollow compass
there are 2-3 spirits that are always visible for some reason and it's been that way for ages, although different ones over time
I also wish we could still see the starting point of the ancestor quest, because that would make it easier to help a new player
I was doing it the other week and had the hardest time finding one of the ancestors in bell towers area in Prairie, so we just walked around aimlessly until we somehow found it
my companion was "blind", in that the screen was black for them
tbh, I wish we could still see the spirits in general. it made the world more alive.
vapid drum
Updates 🤗
main ivy
Possible spoilers for beta reward:
||The new patch says "Adjusted the teal cape color a bit for the beta cape color to be unique"
So, beta testers are indeed getting a 
color cape as their reward confirmed?||
north dagger
What I’m hoping for is that people don’t try to swarm you if you are a beta tester
(Does that happen?)
main ivy
I know people swarm those that got the ||Journey costume (pre-beta), but maybe a blue cape will be less "WOAH WHATS THAT"||
And I guess people can just take off ||the reward|| if they're getting swarmed.
smoky fossil
2 days till the colour reveal 😉
north dagger
Know where i can steal a time machine?
main ivy
Yes- There's a corner mart roughly 3039 years and 3 deci-months (as defined by the Standard Galactic Dec-Calendar) from now where someone leaves their time machine unattended for about 63 minutes
north dagger
I wouldn’t be disappointed, that looks amazing!
hollow compass
Nice!
spark lance
Guys I think beta is open again
I just got in
Yes
Finally
I got to charge my phone
3% lol is worth it
umbral glade
Nice @spark lance, see you in Sky! Feel free to ask in #beta-looking-for-group for any companions in the game.
umbral glade
@north dagger The 8 gate opens now, if that’s what you meant by your comment in #beta-looking-for-group
viscid dragon
@spark lance Wow! How lucky! I'd love to play with you before the global launch. I won't be online until later tonight, but we can coordinate a meet up if you're interested. 😎
barren ember
If I just enter the beta, can I get the beta cape?👀
main ivy
We don't know! Probably
dark badger
So not only will we be allowed to keep our progress (according the sky’s fb post) but also get a unique cloak? Now I’m even more excited for the live release.
main ivy
Beta players cannot transfer their progress to live if they switch to playing it.
Soft launch players are not confirmed to get any item (I think)
limber falcon
I'm gonna guess that they mean they'll keep their progress from the beta, in the beta, not transferred to live
main ivy
Ahh. Yeah that will be a thing. But not forever. Beta will almost certainly be reset again in the future to test stuff. Not soon in the future, but eventually.
radiant drum
Limited live players = softlaunch = Sky: Light Awaits App Store version in the Philippines, Singapore, Norway, Sweden and New Zealand = keeps Game Center progress on launch of Sky: Children of Light
Beta players = Sky Beta app downloaded through TestFlight = separate and independent from the live version of the game
hollow compass
yeah, don't get too attached to things in beta 😉
although, to be honest, I never understood the point of a unique beta tester cape within the beta
high ember
It’s going to be in the live version.
empty inlet
Or you will get it in beta too
dusky marlin
Does anyone else have a server issue??? I can't log in 😦
rapid fjord
@dusky marlin Same hear! But I’m on live Cx
dusky marlin
It was expected on live but not on beta... what is going on i wonder..
rapid fjord
Ooh okay Owo
hollow compass
there was server maintenance earlier, but now it's back up again
although, when I logged in just a while ago friends kept disappearing
so it is a little wonky
but then again, I have been firmly told not to worry my sweet little head about such things, because that's TGC's job
😝
oh, btw, regarding the cape, if you're logged into Game Center it will recognise you in both versions
I definitely get the "hello, welcome belpita" on both games
empty inlet
They said that?
hollow compass
who said what?
empty inlet
nvm
spark lance
@north dagger @spark lance When you have a question or comment about a beta bug, please post in this channel and not in #beta-bugs-ios. Thanks.
spark lance
I love this community helping me in sky u guys are the best
drowsy moon
@spark lance Don’t be rude, I’m sure they are doing their best ☺︎
radiant drum
@frank ore is your game up to date when you experience those crashes in eden?
frank ore
@radiant drum hi Mirium. This is the version in Beta I'm using. I update whenever I'm asked to. I wouldn't know how to update it otherwise.
radiant drum
Yes but in this screenshot it says there’s an update available, have you updated to that version?
frank ore
Ah! Updating now!
radiant drum
Hopefully that solves your problem!
frank ore
Yup. DOH! I feel so stupid sorry and thanks
empty inlet
I'm playing on ios13, there is an issue that Game Center is not working properly, will i still be able to receive the cape later?
radiant drum
Sky does not currently support iOS 13, so TGC suggested players either continue playing Sky: Light Awaits, or revert their iOS to an early version until iOS 13 is out of beta
empty inlet
It's not really "not supporting", it still perform as good as it's on ios 12, i won't be able to downgrade my device due to other testing, the thing i want to ask is will i still be able to receive the cape later?
faint cargo
@empty inlet I have the same problem too. I emailed support and they said they are looking into it. Though I don’t know if they will fix it before the 1 week mark for transitioning.
Cuz I want that cape so bad
umbral glade
@faint cargo From your #beta-bugs-ios message: I’ve wondered about those Forest candles too. I have meant to ask if anyone knows the backstory of that little area!
empty inlet
It's an ios bug, maybe it's up to apple to fix it
main ivy
That little forest side path hasn't gotten attention in a long time. The textures were bugged out for a long time, and it was behind a wall for a while too.
faint cargo
I heard on the youtube walkthrough videos that the candles used to give wax, but maybe something changed.
umbral glade
It’s one of many beautiful little corners of the game. I also keep thinking of the “top of the caves” in Prairie, one of my favorites.
spark lance
I’ve got live installed in eastern canada
empty inlet
I'm going to storm for the first time in global lol
Flying in Vault got worse a little bit i'm afraid
spark lance
I can’t cancel the pre order
Is just in gray color guys help
I see some of ya got the game install
I need it now
I remember before the flying update I would fly to the above section of the prarie caves
And with I think around 6 notches you could fly up to the sky temple
Imagine if aviary comes back
umbral glade
@viscid dragon Wait, where is that video taken? And how did you move the sun?
spark lance
What if it was a seperate social space from home, designed to meet people
viscid dragon
@umbral glade It's an out-of-bounds area in Valley, on the roof of the temple at the end. The time of day is tied to your character/camera position for whatever reason so you can mess with it like that
umbral glade
Ahh thanks! I haven’t been up on that temple. I bet it has to do with that transition toward Wasteland.
Something to while away the time waiting for tomorrow. 😆
viscid dragon
That's exactly what we were doing haha
umbral glade
Mind if I jump in and join?
viscid dragon
We're not there anymore, but I'd be happy to show you how to get there
umbral glade
@viscid dragon Thanks for the music lesson! 🖤
viscid dragon
You bet! Sorry I had to leave quickly, iPad is at 2%. But also realized that global is downloading for me!!!!
umbral glade
Yay! And all good! That was enough to make my evening. Been meaning to look up the sheet music so I could adapt it but that’s a lot easier.
viscid dragon
Yay that's great! I can show you more of the song another time, or record it so you can learn it at your own pace
I agree it's much easier that way
hybrid wedge
@spark lance About your bug report--what device do you use? The devs have asked us to include that information when we post them to the bug report channels.
dark badger
Just got the love version. Not sure if I’ll keep it or not since I intend to stay in beta after so many friends here with you all.
spark lance
No resets in Live
narrow arch
I’m super excited to see the live version app showed up on my phone, can’t wait to play it in couple hours
hybrid wedge
Yeah, can't hurt.
dark badger
So playing live is pretty different from beta in the sense that there’s people everywhere lol
Everyone I’ve spoken to are completely new to sky and aren’t part of beta so it’s been watching everyone trying to figure out the little puzzles. Did have to show a couple how to unfold the butterfly door. Poor things were so confused.
limber falcon
I feel like it was easier to figure out puzzles when there werent so many people going ahead of you and solving them
hybrid wedge
Or clearing all the emotes before you've had the chance to even realize what's happening. ^^
dark badger
Yeah the few people I led I really showed them were things are. I let do them the emotes and all that by themselves.
hollow compass
I was trying to help a newbie with one of the emotes behind a two person door in Prairie. They started following the quest stops, but then stopped midway and flew away. I was calling for them to come back, but nope.
oh, and I saw the confirmation about the cape just after buying my first one in Live - doh!
one (other) downside to not being new to Live is that it will take a while for all the new ones to collect enough wax to be able to do heart exchanges/level up friendships
dark badger
Yeah, everyone has a lot of questions in the live questions/help chat.
last pike
@hollow compass is the Beta cape in Live? Haven’t seen it myself.
hollow compass
no problem!