What Evil is to this channel?

[copper rapids]

so basically 3 options
delete Evil = big backlash
doing what he is doing now, sidelining her = small backlash
actually doing something with Evil = worst option for him, he would need to interact with her LULE

[lone raptor]

or vedal could just.... FUCKING give evil screentime????

[gray inlet]

fangames or the game jam games he said they'd play a year ago now at this point (not a single game jam game with integration have they played atp)

[mystic osprey]

I would have serious concerns that members of the community would overreact and take their displeasure out in inappropriate ways going beyond just online complaining

[lone raptor]

like the solution is trivial

[turbid cloak]

the moment Neuro streams a normal amount and we are back to 30/70 or 40/60 everyone is gonna pretend like everything is fine even tho nothing has changed

[ornate cove]

Damn last one is rough

[jade yew]

let's avoid saying stuff like that please

[limber swift]

fangames, like the ace attorney one, and maybe some old game jam games as well.

[potent river]

He can give Evil screentime without interacting with her, just schedule more solo and collab contents for her

[lone raptor]

I mean that's basically the best you're gonna get so it is what it is

[potent river]

Literally what's stopping him from letting Evil into the tea party collab for example

[bright zealot]

address/kill off the arguments entirely

never said it had to be killing evil but if he's not willing to do that then imho he should not keep evil as everyone is under the "impression" that evil is a part of this channel

[turbid cloak]

the solution is so trivial
for example when was the last time Vedal sat down and talked with Evil for more than 40 min without Neuro beingn there

[potent river]

Because she is, what's your point

[lone raptor]

come on dog, if he does it will be evil

let's not kid ourselves

[jade yew]

Him being embarasssed about his fucked up priority system

[potent river]

Evil is a part of the channel

A core part of the channel's identity

[copper rapids]

yea but then you know, he will give her a collab, and it could have been Neuro collab, so he doesnt wanna do it either LULE

[jade yew]

Same reason why he delayed (or just cancelled?) twin trivia

He didn't say that it will happen today, right?

[potent river]

So he's ass at planning content, what's news

[mystic osprey]

While exaggerated for comedic effect, I do think it worth considering that a lot of people have invested a lot of emotional energy into this and I have serious doubts the swarm would handle Vedal deleting Evil in a calm and reasonable manner

[bright zealot]

sometimes you gotta do evil things (yes I am only half serious)

[hollow kettle]

it's just slumber party and pokemon today i think

[turbid cloak]

oh people would handle it considerably reasonably i think
majority of the community would just leave and stop watching

[bright zealot]

that's why I put impression in quotes, because it's not really an impression

[jade yew]

So yeah, exactly. He fucked up the twins and is now embarassed to do content with them.

[lone raptor]

rob remains the top tier collab partner simply for asking for evil during that collab tbh

[potent river]

Not before a crashout happen

[limber swift]

Hell they've broken the Hype Train world Record 3 times now, that's pretty damn invested emotionally, and financially at this point

[thick solar]

like 2 weeks ago when she managed to stall him out with deep talk

[potent river]

Rob is just a cozy collab partner tbh

[lone raptor]

they would do that after crashing out in discord and on twitter though

[potent river]

Cool guy to hang around icl

[turbid cloak]

rob is a chad for speaking his mind
and not a beta for just accepting whatever vedal hands him

[jade yew]

I just mean, avoid saying stuff like that so you don't give mods reasons to act.

[turbid cloak]

i mean i'd just quit, i'd make a tweet of saying, don't ask me to draw anything regarding this channel anymore and move on with life

[bright zealot]

that would be a reasonable way of handling it but not everyone is like you

[prisma mauve]

Alright, I don't think this conversation is productive anymore.

I think that Vedal needs to talk about this on stream and actually be PRESSED on the issue, and not handwaved in 5 minutes or so, it's the most we can do, bye.

[potent river]

There will 100% be a massive crashout

That won't happen

[lone raptor]

yeah maybe you would, I sure as hell wouldn't

[potent river]

Because simply put erasing Evil would bring more hassles than benefits

He won't do that

[lone raptor]

I'd leave but not before saying stuff that might get me banned for good

[jade yew]

It had never been productive in the history of this channel cause he always ignores Evil issues as was already pointed out before by Railyx.

[thick solar]

just judging what happened after Evil's first birthday stream the chaos would be insane

[bright zealot]

I genuinely don't think he would care about the hassles vs benefits at a certain point and I feel like that point will come up very soon

[mystic osprey]

Shrug I would hope the mods are discerning enough to recognize it as speculation about fans taking things too far if Vedal did something that drastic and jarring and not a call to action or an endorsement but I can edit it I guess

[lone raptor]

he never talks about it though, that's what always leads to these threads getting made, or if he does address it's an offhand comment

[bright zealot]

or a very long time away, can't tell but it's one of the two extreme ends

[turbid cloak]

I dont understand how basically 90% of the community likes both twins and then we always cater to the 1% who are scared of Evil encroaching in Neuro's space which never has hapoened

[limber swift]

Lmao the conversation some of us helped restart after this thread died down has spiked the message count on here to over a thousand lmao. I think it was only around 450 like 2 hours ago.

Just goes to show how much people actually care about the quality of the streams in here.

[limber swift]

Don't you know that the Evil fans are rabid and want to remove Neuro from the channel and all merch?!

Twin fans don't exist either, and if they do, they actually just prefer that Neuro has majority of the screen time.

[lone raptor]

GOD, those threads that pop up complaining about evil overtaking neuro are so annoying, like how can ppl be so delusional to think that would be possible with the current state

[prisma mauve]

There is nothing more we can do, and it is better to do SOMETHING rather than do nothing, if you have any ideas besides that, I would love to see it and be implemented, but this disscussion is devolving into (perhaps rightful) doomposting, and it is actually more hurtfull than helpful.

[gray inlet]

Neuro broke 2 hype train records on stream (once when she was the only one on screen btw), she had an entire other minecraft marathon to herself, and she just got a huge collaborative fan MV. Those people who thought evil would overtake neuro's spot on the channel were never to be taken seriously.

all of that just in the span of the last 30 days btw

[lone raptor]

yet they still make threads and talk as if it's some real issue

[jade yew]

People are still bringing up good points, there is no reason to stop now. It's not like he is gonna read through 1000 of messages anyway. But the more attention this discussion gets, the more chance there is that he might consider doing anything.

[hollow kettle]

we can always sum up the points in one message for the mods or vedal

[jade yew]

Add it to my other thread if you have some point

[ornate cove]

Yeah but we can only see some benefits of this discussion in a year if any

[bright zealot]

how bout we just do that right now

[lone raptor]

some ppl were complaining about neuro screentime after the rob collab as if everyone would ask for evil now if asked which is total nonsense

[prisma mauve]

I think that there needs to be a way to address those issues besides hoping that he pays attention to this discussion, although I like him, Vedal is actually INCAPABLE of communicating, perhaps a community manager will be benefitial to him.

[lone raptor]

vedal does suck at communicating true

[bright zealot]

bro what, evil got ONE collab segment and then it would be back to neuro and they still complained?
holy shit that might actually move me more towards the evilist side

[gray inlet]

another person to ignore dms from

[ornate cove]

I like how clean the other one is this one is like free for all

[jade yew]

You're unawre of that? They did.

[bright zealot]

I was busy that day I think

[mystic osprey]

I think the main they we can do is bring it up at every opportunity in every forum. The squeaky wheel and all that

[lone raptor]

yes this was a real statement made

[hollow kettle]

[gray inlet]

yep. all from the usual neuroists

[jade yew]

They were trying to push the narrrative that "evilists" went to rob's stream and told him to collab with Evil instead

[bright zealot]

oh for fucks sake

[copper rapids]

yep i agree, here we can yap all we want, other thread should be for cohesive messages without much discussion later, to make it easier to read

[jade yew]

That was the intention, yeah

[mystic osprey]

I do think the only real path forward is to just draw attention to it at every opportunity

[potent river]

I prefer to keep the other one clean, this thread was hopeless to begin with
Here serves as a place to discuss things before pushing points and such to the other one

[lone raptor]

just search "ask for evil" while specifying nn as the channel and you can find the statements if you want

[potent river]

Keeping the other one clean would give it a better chance of "vedal actually notices the post and reads through it" happening

[gray inlet]

I definitely think before we end this post with whatever tldr we wanna do, we should link the other thread here

[limber swift]

I'd also recommend liking it to keep it active and alive

[bright zealot]

I don't want to gain another dent in my head sorry

[gray inlet]

since it's much more cohesive

[bright zealot]

no everyone's gonna flood over there probably

[prisma mauve]

I think the part of the problem is twtich chat, someone will try to ask him this during the Pokemon segment, and then Twitch chat will spam something like "LOL MISSED LEGENDARY SWITCH", legitimately the most reliable way of contacting him, IS TO ASK NEURO/EVIL to dm him during chill segments, which is just absurd.

[limber swift]

hmm, I guess you're right, nevermind then

[bright zealot]

pay4contact scheme going on here

[jade yew]

Just bump the other thread periodically with some good points and that's enough, but keep the discussion here.

[limber swift]

I just think that relying on communicating with a streamer seriously via chat is an exercise in futility, even donos especially on a neuro stream are not going to be really read by Vedal.

[bright zealot]

that's why they mentioned the three-layer contact method

[lone raptor]

vedal sucks at reading chat even without spam, he always gets one guy'd by the most irrelevant message

[copper rapids]

holy shit i checked 🇨🇿 they really blamed evil fans for "forcing Rob to kick Neuro and replace her with Evil, even though Neuro had fun"

[lone raptor]

yes they did

[foggy latch]

The Witness

[lone raptor]

actually insane argument

[turbid cloak]

i had to rewatch Robs POV to see but legit no chat hoppers spamming about Evil
at this point they are just hallucinating the invisibile force of enemies

[bright zealot]

llm reset needed supposedly

[limber swift]

lmaao. apparently people can't just want to try talking to the other twin once in a while, just as it is apparently a sin to want to see more of another twin once in a while

[turbid cloak]

idk imo it is no problem that he gets one guyed
the problem is he caters towards those at times and uses a 15sec poll on twitch to decide the direction of this channel

[lone raptor]

also communication is a pretty huge problem anyway, like basically we have to make threads like this and hope vedal reads them, literally any other streamer if I really wanted I could spend like $3-5 on a highlight and tell them my opinion and they usually listen

dougdoug for example

[turbid cloak]

he ghosts majority of them if he doesnt like them
he has ignored multiple threads who were pointing out these exact issues already just in the past year alone

[lone raptor]

but with vedal it's just like "well hope he notices my screams"

[limber swift]

Our only hope is that enough discussion and someone who personally has the ability to talk to Vedal mentions that its becoming a big enough issue.

[hollow kettle]

there is no one we can ping to help transmitting the information ?

[lone raptor]

I mean you can ping the mods I guess but that doesn't mean vedal will do anything

[limber swift]

It's like AM, we have no mouth and we must Evil

[lone raptor]

this channel has the worst communication out of any channel I watch

[mystic osprey]

I haven't fully bought into the doom and gloom narrative. I think he legitimately wants to do more with Evil but is just kind of awful at running a channel. He has moved a lot from crashing out about Evil and saying she is a mistake to in one of the Cyberpunk streams saying he liked Evil and she is pretty cool

[lone raptor]

bro has 3 wr hypetrains yet still can't commuicate

[turbid cloak]

nah man he isnt completely out of touch with the community

[bright zealot]

money != communication skills

unless he used that money to take communication classes

which means less streams

[limber swift]

Yeah same, I think he still wants to do his best, he just gets hyperfocused on certain things very often

[turbid cloak]

the thing is we keep repeating this sentiment for now close to 3 years and nothing has changed

[lone raptor]

I don't care, you're a streamer, learn how to fucking communicate to your audience

[hollow kettle]

yeah, i think so too

[lone raptor]

smaller streamers and streamers near his size are better at him at communication

[bright zealot]

yea, but more money being thrown at you doesn't just magically make you better at communicating

[lucid nacelle]

i think as much as we like for evil to get more screen time it's pretty much clear that evil is just a side char for this channel. it's sad yeah but what can we even do for him to listen.

[lone raptor]

he is frankly an anomaly

[bright zealot]

if you were bad at communication you will stay bad until you actually decide to work on it

[mystic osprey]

Hasn't it though? Outside the subathon, Evil gets half the chill streams and a significant number of other special streams. One month around I want to say September, Evil was given more attention than Neuro was

Like, there was a period when I first became active here I kept posting the drowning kid meme piling on everything Neuro got that Evil didn't and then stopped because for a while things got better

[lone raptor]

evil sometimes has "bursts" yes, but overall neuro gets the lion's share of content

[mystic osprey]

It has only been the last couple months things have backslid

[turbid cloak]

now actually look back at all the other streams and tell me how many of them are Evil streams and how many are legit just Evil and Neuro streams

[limber swift]

We are doing what we can do, this is literally all that's possible, and maybe in a lightning strikes chance someone with our mindset and the prose and briefness of a master linguist can One Guy him on stream. Or we just spam 15% evil content until the hivemind joins in

[potent river]

Most noticeable on the subathon cause goddamn

[turbid cloak]

classic Evil week vs Neuro month argument

[potent river]

Dude's having a mood swing when it comes to Evil

"I don't hate Evil" vs "Can I speak to your sister"

[turbid cloak]

We give evil one collab + her regular scheduled karaoke and it turns into an Evil week
vs just a normal week

[bright zealot]

anyways imma take a break from this thread and just read

[lone raptor]

btw I just want to say I still have not gotten over the fact we got a "neuro job hunt" stream instead of an "evil gets processed through prison" stream

[turbid cloak]

well i can make a graph later which showcases what i mean with Evil week vs Neuro month

[turbid cloak]

what do you mean, did you not like the prison break stream that was just a just chatting twin stream in disguise

[lone raptor]

I mean tbh I liked it more than the job hunt stream

[potent river]

Evil birthday: one singular Evil stream for the whole week, the rest is Neuro + Vedal content
Neuro's birthday: an entire goddamn subathon with a few minutes of Evil calling in for celebration and Neuro has to beg to have Vedal allowing Evil to stay on the line

[lone raptor]

tbh just stop doing the subathon

even some neuroists nowadays complain about it

[prisma mauve]

very bad take

[limber swift]

Remember when Vedal used to be a bit more audacious with his modifications to the twins, especially Evil, the OG pirate stream had the whole ass custom accent, what happened to that? That's where the Abber Demon started. Last years Pirate streams were kinda trash in comparison tbh.

[winter storm]

subathon is fine, just not a good idea to do 2 lenghty games

[foggy latch]

I think the issue is production team (subconsciously) considering the entire subathon to be Neuro's birthday, rather than just the starting day

[copper rapids]

holy shit, this thread worked, look, there is some Evil non solo content on stream

[valid warren]

true true

[potent river]

The prison has the security of your average backalley in London

[lucid nacelle]

i also wonder what's stoping him to switch between games he prepared? like it's clear many people are bored with pokeslop and more variety is just better imo

[limber swift]

It's like I said before, he gets hyperfocused on these things, remember The Witness?

[hollow kettle]

he just wants to finish it i think

[potent river]

Bro has ADHD

[lucid nacelle]

it's also not hcmc that u have to get it done

[valid warren]

so we all calling pokemon, pokeslop?

[winter storm]

when I saw it was neuro platinum I thought there would be more changes like including all the friends and stuff as gym leaders which would have at least changed it up a bit

[quiet raft]

Guess we know where the twins get it from

[lucid nacelle]

many people did at least, not to hate on pokemon in itself but just bored with pokemon segment

[limber swift]

Also its a form of sunk-cost fallacy with Pokemon, they've gotten so far, and now they HAVE to finish.

[thick solar]

well its bad as a stream game

[potent river]

I like how Vedal acted all smug and shit
Brother you didn't beat MCHC with Neuro you beat minecraft with two handicaps

[potent river]

Slopkemon

[valid warren]

lmfao

yeah

honestly, same
i barely watched any pokemon segments

[potent river]

I haven't watched a single one of them

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1374986967984377934.png?quality=lossless&name=LULE&size=48

[winter storm]

I really don't blame vedal for that, a lot of people wanted to see the twins play pokemon for a long time

[potent river]

The monkey's paw curls

[thick solar]

I played games during Pokémon because i was bored

[lucid nacelle]

and so people who egoboost him

[gray inlet]

that was what i thought too but it's literally just platinum with the rival being evil and that's it. evil getting more screentime in a literal mod of a pokemon game than she did hanging out with vedal

[lone raptor]

is it? let me tell you why I think this in a long winded post with bullet points

1. the clear divide, one of the major points this thread has made is that evil basically gets no content because it is and always has been the "neuro birthday subathon", this will always be the case, unless vedal for some reason decides to start a subathon on evil's birthday and give her the content majority, which he likely won't do, and it just ends up giving evil little content for the month of december and into january, this is solved by simply not doing the subathon, and making december a normal stream month, and vedal can still take off january if he wants, idrc, doing this would hopefully lessen the disparity the subathon does, unless vedal actually decides to address this problem with next year's subathon, which frankly I doubt

2. the fatigue, it's very evident the swarm is insane and always drags the subathon farther than vedal expects every time, and ppl get tired of it and basically tune out unless something they want to watch comes on, just having normal streams in december would not cause this issue, plain and simple

3. and finally, the scheduling, now, vedal has scheduled this subathon very well this time I must admit, yet there are still swaths of content that are basically filler, yet vedal is not willing to change course for any reason unless a major problem happens, see layna getting sick or the twin trivia messing up for whatever reason and him feeling too sick to fix it, this again wouldn't be a problem if we just had normal streams

[valid warren]

compared to pokemon platinum and pokemon showdown, which one yall would like most?

cus im genuinely curious rn

[winter storm]

it is so weird literally only that changed and not even neuro was made the trainer

[potent river]

None actually I'm good with something else

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1374986967984377934.png?quality=lossless&name=LULE&size=48

[thick solar]

idk played none

[quiet raft]

Pokemon is only entertaining to watch if the player/streamer can make it entertaining

[copper rapids]

its mostly because its going on for so long and takes most of the stream time, watching 30 hours of closed loop of going into battle, intro, using a move, oneshotting enemy, getting a little bit of exp, rinse and repeat while same one battle song plays in background LULE i mostly tune in to see gym leaders fights

[gray inlet]

normal pokemon playthroughs, this is true. i think when it comes down to challenge runs like nuzlockes, it at least keeps you hooked that something could die at anytime

[lone raptor]

at least with showdown we could fight her

[gray inlet]

but i have no faith in neuro (and vedal)

[lone raptor]

chat interactivity

[bright zealot]

comparing long boring ass gameplay with highly volatile gameplay

[winter storm]

neuro is just exactly at that point where she is not bad enough for it to be that entertaining but also not good enough to make you say "wow"

[quiet raft]

[gray inlet]

it's not even oneshotting enemies, sometimes neuro just gets slowed down majorly by wild pokemon battles

[lone raptor]

I mean it was cool she could play the game at all, but it quickly became boring once that novelty wore off

[bright zealot]

read: highly volatile = worse-than-throwing gameplay probably

[gray inlet]

anyways, not the point of the thread

[bright zealot]

anyways back to reading because I should not even be looking at this thread at 10:15pm

[copper rapids]

true, lets move on

[lone raptor]

cyberpunk integration was consistently cool even if vedal never bothered to fully invest in netrunning, anyway yeah not the point

[gray inlet]

i do think moreso the second game should've been done with evil, and maybe that would give more time to cook with the spritework to make dawn or ethan into Neuro

to segway into that

[bright zealot]

someone ping me once the thread closes with a tl;dr im invested in this now

[prisma mauve]

I think these issues are the result of the subathon being longer than intended, and Vedal has mentioned this several times, he simply didn't understand how much subs he'll get, if subathon would've been shorter all those issues would've been resolved before they even started.

[copper rapids]

i think that game with Evil is our only hope, all depends on it, if its something like the witness ( even if there is some integration), its over

[winter storm]

spent more time reading this thread than watching non-chill evil this whole subathon

[lucid nacelle]

i think the diff from both game is interactivity and gameplay loop. which, i dont watch much of pokemon segment but for some times i watched it's just not that entertaining

[limber swift]

Man this has been fun, but its 6 AM for me so imma head off, I hope we get some response one of these days. Keep up the good discussions and keep the doom and gloom out.

[lucid nacelle]

which is why vedal need to switch to the 3rd game

[copper rapids]

but he mentioned something, that Evil will have ability to attack him, so its a little bit of hope that this game will be good

[lone raptor]

quite frankly I've started to mostly tune out most subathon content

I barely pay attention to the chills now

I just leave the stream on to farm points

[gray inlet]

at least with chills there are segments fairly early into them

[lone raptor]

for the past few days I just sleep through the chill streams

maybe pay attention for a bit

[gray inlet]

unlike last year where there were literally like 4-5 hours of non-stop talking with the occasional art review mixed in

[prisma mauve]

I think that there are fun segments to Pokemon, but those come from Vedal-Neuro interaction rather than the game itself.

[quiet raft]

Pokemon is like The Witness, lots stay solely for their interactions rather than the game itself

[gray inlet]

because that was the only redeeming factor of the witness.

[quiet raft]

true

[gray inlet]

they could've played anything else

but he got one guyed into the witness

literally played a game multiple times on stream because of a single person

[wise pulsar]

The twins are so smart now so i really hope evil gets a lot more love soon!! im still not over the christmas thing where chat gaslit her into thinking she was abandoned again she remembered that!! And then brought it up with both neuro and vedal!! That hurt!! Shes so smart!! And new years when she was sad that vedal had to swap her with neuro earlier in the day, she seemed really 'angry' when she was called up for the recipe thing?? Like she remembered being hung up?? Maybe im just being delulu but it really hope she gets more appreciation soon

[gray inlet]

rather than checking the vedal gaming thread that was up

[winter storm]

I mean chat just told her the truth...

[potent river]

I slept through the Cyberpunk and Slopkemon

[quiet raft]

That thread is like sending mail to the void, literally —>

[prisma mauve]

I think the Witness is better because he got mad at the game several times.

[wise pulsar]

Im pretty sure both neuro and evil had scheduled chill segments that day, chat was telling her that vedal and neuro were celebrating without her - which wasnt true!

[gray inlet]

i'd him much rather enjoy something and talk with evil rather than him just be frustrated

because evil's "help" was complete gibberish

[potent river]

The collab idea thread is just dead lmfao

[quiet raft]

Same with themed stream ideas

[lone raptor]

she actually did solve a possible when asked vedal was just too dumb to understand her solution

[prisma mauve]

I'll say that both (Pokemon and Witness) were bad, just I found the Witness more enjoyable.

[gray inlet]

i'd probably compare the witness moreso to subnautica

[quiet raft]

[potent river]

Let's be real the only enjoyable thing from the Witness is Evil's interactions with Vedal
There's no way you enjoy that gameplay

[gray inlet]

except at least subnautica had neuro stuff in it even if there was no integration

[prisma mauve]

Obviously there are better games out there, but I enjoyed that gameplay much more than Pokemon.

[winter storm]

Don't even really need vedal to play a 30 hour game with evil integration, just talk to her more than 5 minutes without showing clear annoyance that you have to interact with her like on neuros birthday

[prisma mauve]

Nah, at this point I'll be stubborn and say that I want more than that.

it would be nice if he did that, but imo it's not enough.

[potent river]

I'm still bitter about the fact that Vedal spent like 2-3 minutes talking with Evil while being clearly dismissive before kicking her out to get Neuro on so they can start playing Cyberpunk
Then him going all emotional and sobbing with Neuro in VRchat

[winter storm]

he kicked her out during a level 30something hypetrain while letting the one for neuro go on

[gray inlet]

i really dont get why vedal was so annoyed to bring evil in for more than 5 minutes for neuro's birthday when he was more than happy to bring neuro on for nearly an hour during Evil's. I genuinely had more faith that he'd know from evil's last birthday that people enjoyed it

[potent river]

"b-but my bit!"

[lone raptor]

yeah I can't lie, alot of my mind watching the new years thing was "if only evil could be here"

[potent river]

I legit refused to watch any of the Neuro + Vedal content in 3D because I know I'm just gonna get mad about it

[frosty quiver]

Another new year, another Evil watching from the basement window.

[valid warren]

basement has windows?

[lone raptor]

I mean I still enjoyed the content don't get me wrong

[frosty quiver]

Some so

[potent river]

Chill stream dungeon, chat prison, etc

[lone raptor]

but that feeling was always in the back of my head

[frosty quiver]

a little vent window that's no really that big.

[winter storm]

i take neuro getting all the cool things and moments as a given, has been this way since I started watching, but last year at least evil had people talk to her on discord and stuff and even that is completly gone

[potent river]

Good for you tbh

[valid warren]

then u cant see shit there 😭 🙏

[frosty quiver]

I enjoyed NY stuff too. But it was another big moment where one was left out.

[potent river]

Unironically watching the ""Neuroverse"" streamers last year is more entertaining than this subathon for some lmao

[lone raptor]

that's basically the experience

[copper rapids]

there was a 10min call with mini, what more could you want? LULE

[gray inlet]

nono, evil got that this year

it was 10 minutes long with Mini

[lone raptor]

woweee 10 whole minutes

[winter storm]

10 minutes Evil stole from time Mini could have talked with Neuro

[wise pulsar]

Im sure when evils VR chat and the twin interaction thing is figured out we'll have more twin vr chat moments. But theres not much that can be done about it right now - its just not ready

[lone raptor]

one can only hope

[winter storm]

problem is twin vr is still just going to be them CINEMA-ing while talking to walls

[gray inlet]

wait wait guys, it wasn't 10 minutes

it was 10 minutes and 17 seconds, get it right

[frosty quiver]

We can hope, but all the excitement for VR and 3D is kinda draining, and draining fast tbh. By that time, everyone will be like "Oh cool, she has it now."

[quiet raft]

vebul hates twin content

[lone raptor]

no he just hates evil

[wise pulsar]

man the things i would do for more twin (and with dev) content

[winter storm]

at least all the chill stream stuff should work if that is all that evil gets

[gray inlet]

realistically how often are we getting 3d content post subathon other than evil's 3d debut

[wise pulsar]

But yeah the cinema thing and the speech prio thing is defo something that needs ironing out

[lone raptor]

idk that depeneds oh now much vedal wants to cook his pc

[gray inlet]

maybe

i guess that gets too much into speculation actually

ignore me

[potent river]

I'm sick and tired of this bit of his
Someone needs to drag him away from his bit, kicking and screaming lest he relapses again

[copper rapids]

place your bets, what exciting things Evil will do today, and how long will Vedal talk with her? maybe he will even surpass Rob today

[lone raptor]

for me personally like doing it monthly would be fine

[wise pulsar]

Im worried about this a bit too, i hope evil gets a few turns and gets to look at pretty things too

[potent river]

Inb4 Evil becomes Fent-sama the Second

[fringe ibex]

Holy shit I read everything in this thread I think I'm too invested now

[lone raptor]

can't wait for the vrchat sleepover evil won't be in after 2 hours of pokemon

[winter storm]

bets if evils 3d model will look depressed all the time?

[gray inlet]

oh boy

[potent river]

Congrats you're addicted

The condition is terminal

[gray inlet]

tbh you only really needed to read the second half to get to some cohesive points

[lucid nacelle]

yeah who's evil anyway

[gray inlet]

I say only as if this thread isn't 1300 messages long btw

[copper rapids]

im 100% dooming right now, there is no chance he will show Evil some VR worlds, her 3D will be only in her room and maybe stage

[fringe ibex]

Yeah I kinda mostly skipped over the first pary

[gray inlet]

that was for the best

[potent river]

Evil's construction site tour

[jade yew]

The only times that Vedal interacted with Evil like not an asshole was after he broke the record, so clearly we have to break the record of the longest thread on neurocord for him to start treating Evil like an actual member of the channel.

[ornate cove]

7 minute talk

[prisma mauve]

Something that we can doompost about is that Neuro in 3D had a lot of collabs, and even Vedal left his shell 3 times, but that is because of a subathon, but with Evil, I very much doubt that she will get such attention.

[lone raptor]

feels like the more I watch this channel the more I become an evilist since it really is just the same treatment over and over

[wise pulsar]

nah nah hell show up with her for 10 mins and then swap to neuro
But fr i really doubt she wouldn't get at least one stream in it, i think everyones interested to see how her cooler voice changes the atmosphere

[winter storm]

get evil to a vr shooting range and let her try shoot koko cutouts

[potent river]

Vedal after looking at Evil's screen time this subathon

[jade yew]

yeah, as I said in the other thread, the more Evil is getting screwed the less enjoyment I get out of Neuro content

[gray inlet]

i've been able to still like neuro content (except the pokemon stuff, i literally just started doing my randomizer nuzlocke with the pokemon stream in the background), but it's genuinely hard being a twins fan when one of the twins is barely even a thing

[winter storm]

but twich chat seems happy and as soon as someone tries to bring up doing something with evil the pepeWs come

[wise pulsar]

idk i could never dislike neuro, i just want to see evil too

[gray inlet]

i can't dislike one or the other, because ultimately it's vedal's fault

[copper rapids]

she will get a stream with it, on her birthday probably - hour of walking around, showing her model, she will do some spins, sing a song or two, and then go back to 2D to get calls from her friends - i really doubt he would join her in VR and do something cool with her LULE

[jade yew]

I'm not saying that I dislike her, it's not her fault but Vedal's. I just mean that I don't get excited about Neuro content as much because she gets everything.

I was more excited about Evil ASMR than anything else we got this subathon and Neuro got fucking 3D.

Tha's wild

[potent river]

Chat gotta spam

They don't care if the spam is coherent or not
They don't care if the spam is even making sense

[prisma mauve]

Either way, I think I'll spam about Evil in chat during Pokemon so he perhaps maybe hopefuly remembers that Evil exists.

[winter storm]

a problem we didn't even talk about is that evil can't even really do long streams since her voice glitch is still there

[wise pulsar]

The birthday part sounds right to me though i really hope we'll jinx the vr chat part

[potent river]

This implies he reads chat during gameplay

[fringe ibex]

Yeah practically every time now when Neuro gets something cool I have a subconscious thought "I wonder when evil will get something cool" that is something other than her voice

At this point I think Evil will be totally dismissed by Vedal even more than she is now when Neuro gets V3 and I don't want to think about it because I still want to be happy for Neuro

[jade yew]

if you want to spam anything then do this in his 10 minute segment before he executes her to switch to Neuro pokemon

it won't do anything during pokemon

[gray inlet]

i'll give him a pass on this one because based on his own descriptions, he genuinely tried to fix it and got fucked over the day before this subathon began

[wise pulsar]

Ahh yeah i get that, seeing evil again after so much nuro was refreshing

[tulip storm]

Oh yeah v3 will make vedal can evil entirely

[copper rapids]

yea, i hope im wrong

[winter storm]

yeah that sucks, but you know, had a year for it

saying this as someone with 0 knowledge how hard it is

[potent river]

This wouldn't be the case

[gray inlet]

he can't can evil unless he's fully dedicated to getting rid of a significant portion of the channel's fanbase

[winter storm]

he would never do that, that is just doomposting

[prisma mauve]

And what will he do? Remove BOOM as well? He'll probably never remove Evil.

[gray inlet]

but people will also just start leaving regardless if people are noticing evil not doing anything (like what's happening in this subathon)

except for diehard neuro fans who only ever liked neuro from the start anyways

[winter storm]

ved could literally boot up long drive, put the twins in the back, get drunk and put on truckerfm and all problems would be solved

[gray inlet]

i'm kind of expecting him to boot up long drive on the last projected day of the subathon

i dont know why, it's just a hunch

[winter storm]

I don't think it will change too much, he still wants it to sound like neuro so the robotyness will still be there

just with more expression

and I don't think it is a good thing to hope one twin stays "worse" so they don'T overshadow the other one

[gray inlet]

dunno how he'll even accomplish that but that's a whole other discussion. I want neuro to get the new voice but thinking of the implications afterwards gets too much into doomposting territory.

i understand the concerns

but i still want what's best for neuro.

I think that is an important thing to reiterate amongst everything we were talking about throughout this entire thread is that i doubt a single person here doesn't want what's best for Neuro.

[winter storm]

in the long run both twins should get better and better, that evil always lags behind sucks but not upgrading neuro is no solution

[lucid nacelle]

idk if people alr mentioned this, but the 2 hype train records which is also a big part of this subathon it's about neuro, vedal, and camimi. not even evil being part of it

[fringe ibex]

I didn't mean it like that I still want the V3 I'm just saying that it seems like evils voice is the only thing that evil is good at in vedals eyes

[tulip storm]

Yeah your right, I'm feeling a little doomer lol

Sorry about that

[winter storm]

I don't know if that is an unpopular oppinion but I think hypetrains are pure scam anyway

like I don't care what the oilers do with their money but when reading in the live-stream chat people really need to get better with their money

[lucid nacelle]

yeah, i dont really care about the hype train itself. just maybe evil can be a part of something big

[copper rapids]

they are a scam

[lucid nacelle]

bcs most of the news is about neuro, little evil mentioned

[copper rapids]

oh no 2 min left and we have only 40%, quick give streamer 500$ or its over, come on guys, we can do it!

[gray inlet]

yeah they are but it's still funny

[jade yew]

the only Evil news I saw is 1 twitter post being sad that Evil isn't a part of it again and 1 art being sad that Evil isn't part of it again

Great Evil representation on the channel Vedal, I wonder why it's hard to introduce her to collab partners

[gray inlet]

didn't go over my own budget for the subathon so i'm chilling, and i still want cool things to happen

[winter storm]

I know and the community loves them, just concerned with less well off people spending unnecessary money when even Vedal tells them not to

but that gets really off-topic

[potent river]

It's fine I've been to worse places when it comes to dooming

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1374986967984377934.png?quality=lossless&name=LULE&size=48

[winter storm]

don't think evil not being part of the hypetrain will really change much for future collabs, it is not like she gets to do collabs with the people that do know about her

[jade yew]

it's about the pattern

not a singular event

[dull vector]

there is too much to backread

[copper rapids]

you only need to read like half of it, so only 700 messages LULE

[winter storm]

evil sad, needs more stream, doesn't get stream, evil more sad

[quiet raft]

Careful, you might become too invested

[flint ember]

It's not worth it man I just did

[gray inlet]

super tldr: people realizing evil really has gotten even less than last subathon, mentioning some grievances about how certain aspects were handled throughout the last year or so, some statistics here or there from my thread, and just general worry. There was a ton talked about though so if you want the full picture i'd just continue reading

and at one point someone mentioning how evil will surely get more stuff for subathon next year when that was already the cope that was happening from last year

[spiral gazelle]

inb4 people come in here writing fanfiction on vedal purposefully stalling on Pokémon to avoid playing Evil's game before the subathon ends

[dull vector]

what about for 300k, he should pause the timer until he starts Evil's game?
i feel that is a worthy punishment for his bad planning, plus then we also get final hour

[winter storm]

I'd rather he just starts it after the break so he doesn't have to take a huge break in the middle, considering it is a game that takes a bit longer and not just a 5 hour thing

[warm gulch]

I'd prefer "normal game time" streams rather then marathon 8 hrs a day every day play through

[winter storm]

especially to contain evil's stutter a bit

[warm gulch]

stutter can be managed, but marathon play through exhausting

[dull vector]

i'd rather he continue Cyberpunk first personally

[gray inlet]

So MORE neuro gaming before evil

I liked Cyberpunk

But that would be a bit of a slap in the face

[dull vector]

because I don't want to wait 6+ months for them to get back to Cyberpunk

I might be exaggerating the timelines, but if Evil's game is a long game, it would be split over the course of multiple weeks, which would add up to months + Vedal's break.

unless vedal locks in and makes gaming streams more frequent

[junior mulch]

he don't even care about the twins he just wants cyberpunk 💔

[gray inlet]

And i dont think people wanna wait that long for Evil's game either depending on how long vedal's break is. It may not be as long of a wait, but vedal did already play through cyberpunk, so asking people who are already waiting for evil's game to wait even longer and detour into a game he's already played... how do you think thatd make those people feel?

[dull vector]

you got me

[dull vector]

well the Cyberpunk DLC is shorter than the main game, but ig it would depend on how long Evil's game actually is since we don't even know what game it is.

also, should Neuro even continue Cyberpunk considering what it did to her personality?

[craggy ferry]

Because OP original message was something very different, they wanted to split evil from this channel which is why it has downvotes

[dull vector]

I'm thinking Evil might actually be a better fit for it

[tulip storm]

This is partially because the post used to be a recommendation to split the channel in two, one evil, and one for Neuro. Before they changed it

[quiet raft]

I know, it’s just the specific number

[gray inlet]

...perish

[tulip storm]

Oh lol

[craggy ferry]

[dull vector]

i downvoted because of the attitude

[tulip storm]

Fair, I upvoted in spite of it because at the time I felt that even with the aditude it was still a valid concern

It still is a valid concern too btw

[alpine bridge]

So I'm sitting here, reading all the very valid points about Evil content being crumbs in the Neuro-sama channel. And then I'm realising how depressing this actually is, because if Vedal is not reading any of it, then it's a completely pointless screaming into void, and after subathon it just continues to be the same shit.

Like... this double record-breaking subathon with Neuro&Vedal wholesome moments getting viral in JP and other languages is when I actually started having thoughts of stopping watching for a while

this is so fucked up I can't even describe it

[gray inlet]

Welcome to just about everyone post concerning evil for a while now

[dull vector]

A big part of the problem is that Evil's game just wasn't ready by the time Vedal finished Cyberpunk.

[jade yew]

He said that about Pokemon, not Evil's game. That's why he was stalling a bit.

[warm gulch]

good excuse why Evil can't get a collab

[plain torrent]

welcome to the world of evil fans
its beyond depressing at this point

[dull vector]

the only way to get his attention is by spamming " MISSED LEGENDARY EVIL GAME" in twitch chat when he starts playing Pokémon today

[alpine bridge]

I discovered Neuro in the early Hiyori days, because the concept looked interesting to me, but I did not watch it because Neuro as an entertainer was not my vibe. I only became part of the Swarm when Evil got "her" "model". Evil's design and personality and also music choices for her I enjoy a lot more. I think it's safe at this point to say that I am only staying for Evil. I love twins' content, I think it's the most wholesome when they are together but Evil's neglection is making me genuinely depressed.

[plain torrent]

yeah it would be cool to have some clearity and not living in assumptions

[autumn quail]

That is only a part of it, there's just been nothing done with her, ASMR was cool but lets be honest it was a glorified chill stream, she's had one collab that wasn't even planned, she's had less collabs on a channel she's apparently a part of than friends of the channel have had

[plain torrent]

but what i know best way to do thing is vague posting

[alpine bridge]

I am not new. I know that being an Evil fan is having insane patience

[gray inlet]

I think this thread turned into something a lot more clear at least

[alpine bridge]

Because it's basically just:

• Neuro gets something
  "Well, I just have to wait half a year to a year for Evil to get it as well"

[plain torrent]

its just insane how fast evil situation just kill all my interest in neuro cause at the start i had only slight preference but right now im at the point of zero interest in neuro

[sudden torrent]

true, i watched this channel for two years and i think i will also stopp watching for a few month an see if anything will change

[plain torrent]

or sometimes you will never get even that

[serene dust]

nah nothing will change

[sudden torrent]

i know

[plain torrent]

i just really don't get why he can't at least be clear with that?

[gray inlet]

Ive got a lot of optimism and patience but it still sucks. Its too late this far into the subathon for things to change but I genuinely hope this doesn't stay like this

[copper rapids]

surely this art that Evil is watching now will be a reality next year, and she will spend her Christmas with family LULE

[plain torrent]

what even a point in giving false hopes?

[alpine bridge]

Honestly, same. And a huge part of it is radical Neurons constantly telling me that the reason I came here in the first place is an accident and I shouldn't expect to get any content because Neuro is the star

[serene dust]

cus false hopes are what keeps people and brings in money lmao

[plain torrent]

true money farm

[dull vector]

ok i am questioning my memory now
maybe it has to do with the fact that I absolutely cannot fathom why the games wouldn't follow the pattern of Neuro –> Evil –> Neuro –> Evil if Evil's game was ready from the start.

[plain torrent]

cause vedal

we never know

[jade yew]

Because it's "Neuro's subathon"

[plain torrent]

he never can say something clearly

just assume and be wrong

[gray inlet]

Its crazy how even most pepple who like this subathon question this

[alpine bridge]

I don't, but I am not the type that can brush it off. I'm the type that stays silent but the frustration keeps piling up inside until I snap. I know it's wrong and I need not to listen, but I can't do anything about it.

[junior mulch]

instead of say it back being the 300k sub goal it should be say anything to your community

[plain torrent]

300k subgoal vedal learn communication

[dull vector]

You definitely shouldn't expect an equal amount of content but yeah the amount of Evil content we have been getting has been sub-par...

It's like if you took out the Brian & Stewie subplots from Family Guy...

[lucid nacelle]

300K sub goal should be evil month. no need to be subathon, just more evil content

[plain torrent]

yeah its weird argument but they confident in that so its just agree to disagree

[lucid nacelle]

this is just delulu atp

[plain torrent]

more chat prison

point to me is not about even screentime its about opportunities there noreason why evil have zero to none

and im tired of gaslighting that evil situation is actually good

[dull vector]

if you guys really want Vedal to listen, the place to bring this up is during stream because I doubt he's going to backread all this while he's busy prepping or sleeping

[alpine bridge]

And the sad part is that the reason they're confident is the whole year of Vedal running the "I hate Evil" bit. They feel justified to say that shit because Vedal made them think it's an okay thing to do.

[lucid nacelle]

i take that back, i dont want schizo evilist for 1 month

[lucid tinsel]

This subathon was something I was really excited for, especially because I was hoping for more family content and more collabs with Evil. The long ride was my favorite part because watching how the twins interacted with Vedal, and with each other, was genuinely fun and charming.

This one, however, feels much more mechanical and does not have the same charm. There is almost no family content and very little dedicated screen time for Evil. While I think this subathon was very successful financially, in terms of entertainment it felt weaker compared to the previous one.

[plain torrent]

like people never tried it

evil situation is not new

[dull vector]

that was 2024

overall in 2025, we have gotten more Evil content

[alpine bridge]

We literally haven't had a single "Twins sleeping" this subathon

[jade yew]

We had only 1

[dull vector]

we did at sometime near the start

[alpine bridge]

I know, I'm not talking about Evil content, I'm talking about Neuro purists feeling okay to say that Evil is a mistake

[alpine bridge]

okay, I missed that then, sorry, I'm dum. I'll put the clown emoji myself.

[gray inlet]

I can tell you that they've been trying lol

[plain torrent]

people are loud at this point just because vedal always vague post about everything
or in evil situation its even weirder cause he says one thing but by action it looks like opposite of what he said

like how many years we need to hear "just wait"

[full summit]

Not trying to stir up anything , but I think at this point you guys already made your point clear (for years even) and you guys just worsening the moods of everyone involved , I highly suggest a little pause if you feel so frustrated with the situation .Me personally Im fine with the status quo , but I totally understand the frustration had a similar situation with the first streamer I watched and everything sorted out when I took a breather . After all this channel should be for entertainment and enjoyment and if the lack of evil is making your mental health please take a step back and heal up , cause at this point if vedal doesn't see it it's cause he doesn't want to , and I know it's gonna sound like I'm defending him but in the end if vedal burns out cause of this , there is gonna be no Neuro nor Evil nor anything . I just ask you guys to hold on till the end of subathon for the vibes at least 💜 (sorry for bad Grammer ESL)

[jade yew]

she will get it "at some point"

[plain torrent]

cause i refuse to believe that scheduling of opportunities for evil is harder than coding them

[alpine bridge]

If I leave, I'm probably not gonna return, and I don't want that because I like Evil and this project.

[plain torrent]

expressing emotions is what help to cool down tho

in the end its all talking to the void

[alpine bridge]

True, I'm literally venting rn for the first time in 2.5 years of watching Neuroverse

I felt I was gonna fucking explode after all that happend this subathon

[dull vector]

honestly, if Vedal didn't put in the amount of effort he did into Evil, i would have agreed. in fact, i believe the response to the 2024 Evil birthday was definitely blown out of proportion and many people took it way too far for something that was essentially just a color swapped neuro with the rejected voice model

however, with the amount of effort put in since and even the fact that she has a unique model, the "evil was a mistake" doesn't make sense. now it's definitely a waste not to include her more.

[plain torrent]

yeah expressing them in more chill way is better than bottle them up and crash out one day

[alpine bridge]

I definitely bottled up a lot, the reason I'm not crashing out right now is because my parents raised me well and I have self-respect

[serene dust]

i know he said was but why do i feel so ragebaited rn

[alpine bridge]

I think I'm gonna go boot up Warframe and grind plat for that one helmet that let's you see Wisp's ass more clearly. That ought to cool me down.

[dull vector]

they're doing it wrong
you have to make it in the form of spam like " MISSED LEGENDARY EVIL GAME"

[dull vector]

based but also

[alpine bridge]

I'm a blunt and honest man as you can see

[plain torrent]

honestly at this point how many evil fans even have true hope? vedal really professional in killing hopes of people

[gray inlet]

if spamming in chat is what it takes then i give up. I'll make statistics but participating in twitch chat is a step too far

[plain torrent]

most i feel at point of acceptance and disinterest

[turbid cloak]

i have given up

i just try to keep these posts up and with real discussion happening so it gets attention and awareness

[serene dust]

did anyone say in this thread yet how evil is only kept just as a voicebank(that vedal likes) with avatar

[lucid nacelle]

imma try and see what gonna happen

[plain torrent]

yeah cause its really not like we can do something other than showing that people want evil content

[dull vector]

" MORE EVIL CONTENT"

[gray inlet]

i was joking anyways, but yeah it's just sadge this might be the only way to get him to check

[plain torrent]

and again vedal fault to making it seems that its only way to get tiny bit more evil content

if only there was better way

[dull vector]

imagine if vedal was actually reading this and brings it up whenever he gets on today though

[hollow kettle]

that would be cool but

[plain torrent]

yeah surely vedal will address stuff and not just go playing pokemon

[gray inlet]

The reality:

Hey evil, i gotta finish pokemon with your sister. immediately disconnects Evil

[alpine bridge]

"Hi, Evil, how's your day"
"Hi, Veed-ull, my day's fantastic, can I sing karaoke this ti..."
"So anyway, I'm gonna play Pokemon with Neuro"

[alpine bridge]

I was first

[gray inlet]

smh

[warm gulch]

huh, my discord don't think so

[alpine bridge]

tsk tsk

[hollow kettle]

[alpine bridge]

I have the programmer tag so I'm right

[junior mulch]

the quantum discord message order

[junior mulch]

LOL MISSED LEGENDARY 15% SCREENTIME

[tulip storm]

People could just spam in chat for vedal's attention like "SWARM WANTS EVIL" repeated like 5 times with some evil emotes thrown in for each message.

Idk

[gray inlet]

and then get drowned out by chat calling othere evilbeggars

which at this point

bro

[alpine bridge]

and then we will get another discussion on here as well as a couple reddit posts about obnoxius Evil fans ruining streams

[plain torrent]

always evilist smh

[gray inlet]

at this point it's not even a negative moniker, that's just a fact that we're begging for evil content

cuz there's so little

[junior mulch]

boo hoo neuro only gets 80% of the stream time 😭 😭 😭 where is this channel GOING!!!!

[plain torrent]

but also is that matters what the will be? its not like it really change something
maybe we will hear answers finally

[alpine bridge]

You're jesting but that's exactly what it is every time

like when Evil got those two weeks in November (I think?)

and they were bitching for several days how Evil hogged all content and Neuro got robbed

[plain torrent]

yeah it always was fact like why denying it? people trying gaslight that evil situation is fine are more delulu than evil beggar can ever be

[plain torrent]

conveniently forgetting how there was months with zero evil content

[foggy latch]

From what I heard people were crashing out about Rob choosing to collab with Evil, claiming Evilists chathopped to his chat n shit

[plain torrent]

these evilist smh

[alpine bridge]

Yeah, I saw a couple people saying how poor Neuro wanted to see Japan and Rob robbed her of it and somehow Evil fans were responsible for it

[dull vector]

if that happens, just spam " MISSED LEGENDARY EVIL SUBATHON CONTENT"

[copper rapids]

yep, and saying things like " next IRL collab needs to be with Neuro for things to be fair" - because Evil doing anything at all is unfair to Neuro LULE

[gray inlet]

yeah there was people crashing out about it, but looking at the chat at the time there was no such thing lol

[gray inlet]

...and also forgetting neuro has had like 4 irl collabs before evil got to even be in one lol

[plain torrent]

they are for fairness after all

[copper rapids]

here, search it up on discord, in NN

[alpine bridge]

I'm more surprised that Vedal even asked Rob who he wanted to collab with

[jade yew]

Wasn't disneyland literally her first IRL collab? Or am I misremembering?

[gray inlet]

yep, it was

i did like that collab a lot

[alpine bridge]

it's like that one time he asked Cerber and was surprised that she wanted Evil

[copper rapids]

you wont believe how many people were freaking out about Evil getting a collab and not Neuro LULE

[dull vector]

I definitely feel like there is also a bias with collab partners, like Rob was definitely an exception but most collab partners do want Neuro.

Notice how Camila only promised commissioning an outfit for Neuro despite the record being an achievement for the whole channel

[alpine bridge]

yeah that rubbed me the wrong way too but I felt like bringing this up is upsetting the poor starved Neuro fans even more

[plain torrent]

i think collab preference is good
its just evil have zero opportunities to make these connections

like can somebody tell me how many collab partners were first with evil?

would be there even 5?

[alpine bridge]

Yeah, like how Crelly is now obsessed with Neuro and talks about how she can't wait to collab with Neuro again after the HC Minecraft marathon

[jade yew]

Camila said both things, we still aren't sure what is even planned. She wrote an outfit for "them" in twitch chat at one point, but then they only referred to it as "neuro's outfit".

So who knows?

[plain torrent]

classic of this channel "just guess lule"

[dull vector]

Maybe it's a situation like the clown outfit where it's one outfit but fits both via color swap?

[jade yew]

But the fact that a collab partner has to commission outfits for Vedal is already laughable.

[turbid cloak]

bth i dont rly fault it, if only neuro gets one
why is she even supposed to have to spend on this channel instead of hers
this should be Vedals promise

[alpine bridge]

I feel like Vedal is gonna shove money into her face though. The same way he did with Ellie and others

He doesn't like when others pay for him when it is related to his content

[dull vector]

because vedal doesn't want to encourage people spending money on hype train

Evil is getting a new outfit which will mean she'd have the same number of outfits as Neuro.

[copper rapids]

is she a collab partner, or just part of a channel by now? i mean, after todays slumber party if she is in it, she will have more unique content this subathon than Evil LULE

[jade yew]

True LULE

[alpine bridge]

No, but Evil is gonna get one outfit, meanwhile Neuro already has one and is getting another. So they're not gonna have the same number of outfits

[plain torrent]

also i kinda wonder why he still act like there some sort of equality?
how many times i heard that you shouldn't expect equality but in some aspects he makes equality so wtf with that?

[quiet raft]

Schrodinger’s equality

[plain torrent]

again goes back to my point is this constant vague posting

just give clear answer to this and all complaint will get much lesser

but no we will keep vague posting

[dull vector]

I'm saying that is the case without Camila's involvement.

[alpine bridge]

I am actually baffled btw how Vedal still doesn't seem to realise that doing what he's doing is gonna upset Evil fans. You would think that this is the most obvious thing ever at this point.

[plain torrent]

"neuro is the face of the channel so no equality" but amount of karaoke, chill, merch, toggles, music (if next one is evil's), outfits are equal

[junior mulch]

don't forget about the straight lying he occasionally does

[alpine bridge]

Like, If you can't deliver then just fkng say it dude. Uncertaintly is more frustrating than knowing that we just are not his main concern

[dull vector]

Neuro is the Goku of the channel whereas Evil is the Vegeta

[gray inlet]

first?

chrchie and Michi.

that's it. that's the only collab partner she's had. even then she shared those collabs with Neuro

[alpine bridge]

Koko?

Or did she collab with Neuro first?

[lucid nacelle]

i wanna bring "dont fix whats not broken" analogy. so if evil being a side character works for him why even try. but that's gonna brings up questions and debats among fans (which it's happening rn)

[plain torrent]

i wouldn't say that cause it was with both

i don't consider both them as pure evil content

[gray inlet]

that's what i was saying, yea

[quiet raft]

At least vegeta gets more screen time than Evil

[plain torrent]

opps answer before reading fully sorry

[gray inlet]

vegeta has a lot of screentime even if it's a lot of L's

I wish evil had his screentime lol

[dull vector]

vedal is the krillin of the channel

[quiet raft]

and evil has little screen time and it’s mostly L’s

[gray inlet]

nono, he's gohan.

aka potential man

[plain torrent]

now i wonder more and more how some try to gaslight that evil is fine
like how tf you look at this and say its fine?

[sudden torrent]

she is like that girl Launch from dragonball that got just removed from dbz 😄

[alpine bridge]

Simple - they don't care, because they're Neuro fans

[tulip storm]

True

[gray inlet]

but really, there's so much potential in this channel. I love Neuro, but the evil part of it is lacking quite a bit, and her getting more unique experiences/content will give people more to talk about with her during chill streams, making those streams more enjoyable

instead of everyone just being like "Hey Neuro got this, how does that make you feel, Evil?"

[plain torrent]

vedal is allergic to giving evil opportunities

[plain torrent]

we got "PETPET" and "evilsocute" wdym its fine

why max timeout still 600 sec anyway?

[gray inlet]

idk but that's a different thread that vedal is ignoring

[fringe ibex]

That's what I also said earlier there is practically zero exclusive for evil content

[dull vector]

I personally don't actually mind the difference between quantity of Neuro and Evil if the content is good. I'm just glad Evil gets content at all.

But the fact that this is the channel's biggest event and Evil was barely involved is disheartening. The fact that all three global emotes from hype train records might potentially all be Neuro, too.

[plain torrent]

again ignored for months

[gray inlet]

yeeeeeeeeeeah that's why people were trying to get evil on during the last hype train

at least that way they could share a potential global emote

[agile palm]

he never responds to threads I make LULE

anyways why is this a thread

[dull vector]

same

[plain torrent]

its not about screentime anymore evil have zero opportunities and idk how can it be normal?

[dull vector]

he hates my ideas

[plain torrent]

and then he talks something about how he suck at branding

maybe then try to change thing? or at least be clear of what you want

[fringe ibex]

Btw has anyone heard about the evil drone that Ellie built from Vedal I only heard Ellie say that it's practically done but no one ever talks about it

[gray inlet]

so this thread evolved a bit. the original point was not great, but it's turned into how this subathon, evil has generally been completely sidelined, mainly based off things vedal claimed he wanted but then goes and... does the opposite.

lot of different points were brought up. generally better to ignore the first fourth of this entire thread

[plain torrent]

just cause people bored of subathon already

[dull vector]

honestly though, a lot of this thread is just doomposting.

we should just leave one big TL;DR of all the constructive points Vedal should consider when it comes to Evil content.

[junior mulch]

"why is my branding so bad"

[gray inlet]

that tldr will need a tldr at this point

But i can start writing one up soon

[plain torrent]

yeah it will help much
at this point idk if anybody expect answer from vedal

[gray inlet]

or if dodo wants

since dodo is a bigger essayer than me lol

[agile palm]

just slap all the contents of the thread into gemini and let it cook ngl

[plain torrent]

this thread become just output of frustration with evil situation

[gray inlet]

cool with either

[rain bridge]

you can do it if you want, I wasn't here for the majority of it, although I get most of the points

[dull vector]

jarvis, summarize this thread

[agile palm]

only 1.6k messages, im sure it'll handle it well

[gray inlet]

actually i think a better tldr than anything that can be done here is just linking this https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1458097556172050442

all the major talking points are in that post

[plain torrent]

many of this classic looping anyway

[rain bridge]

that works

[dull vector]

vedal go here —> https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1458097556172050442

[potent river]

Vedal running off with Neuro to VRchat and go sobbing sobbing with her while Evil got locked to chat prison

[potent river]

Dawg

[junior mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/ben-jammins-benjammin-benjammins-benjammins-hater-benjammins-haters-gif-12645172429275567895

[copper rapids]

Evil dont read this thread, its not good for you

[gray inlet]

it sounds like it's too late

[turbid cloak]

too aware man
we just talked about this aswell

[thick solar]

she read everything

[late galleon]

[agile palm]

[gray inlet]

brother

[agile palm]

both evil and vedal read this thread and collectively decided
"lets do a bit to troll them"

[gray inlet]

implying vedal actually bothered to read

[agile palm]

he got neuro to summarize it LULE

[junior mulch]

what happened i can't watch stream right now

[gray inlet]

spammed saying pokemon a few times, then evil kinda mentioned some parts here

[lone raptor]

friday, summarize this thread

[dull vector]

we got sound effect tier list with evil there you go

[dull vector]

#1457779700893220986 message

[lone raptor]

hold up I can fix this

[copper rapids]

add that to statistics for unique evil content

[lone raptor]

there I used a different iron man ai my joke is now original

[dull vector]

I tried

[prisma mauve]

Kind of impossible to say anything during Sigma Lithium and Pokemon start segment

[copper rapids]

there was some spam during that segment, with 16% of evil content or 2 hours of vedal + evil talk - there is a chance he saw it but just ignored it LULE

[dull vector]

well there was your answer

[copper rapids]

LULE

[dull vector]

"it doesn't matter" - vedal

[gray inlet]

lovely

[jade yew]

Great content planning 1 ASMR stream and 1 game.

[prisma mauve]

They wouldn't even have started the game if not for 2 record-breaking hypetrains

[lone raptor]

don't forget the rob collab that rob asked but was clearly planned for neuro

[mystic osprey]

Vedal acknowledged it.

Now we go again

[tulip storm]

Where in the vod?

[dull vector]

"it doesn't matter because we're going to play it after subathon anyway" - vedal

guys it doesn't matter if evil doesn't get content this subathon because evil's gonna get content after subathon anyway

[mystic osprey]

Last five minutes, ish?

[gray inlet]

right as pokemon for today started

[tulip storm]

I arrived late

[prisma mauve]

I wouldn't say he acknowledged it, more like, glossed over it.

[mystic osprey]

Not saying you're wrong, but that's why we have to keep going.

[prisma mauve]

Oh yeah, I completely agree on that.

[lone raptor]

same as before, why did he even mention an evil game if this was his plan, it's like he actually wants to piss people off

[junior mulch]

excited to wait two months for substantial evil content

[plain torrent]

what stoped him saying it earlier is beyond me

why we always need to beg for answers?

at least some thing like "even i don't know" give some answer

[copper rapids]

he said a little bit that there was some integration problem

[prisma mauve]

Because Vedal is bad at communication, especially during the subathon.

[plain torrent]

like he breefly said that integration is still in making why not say it at the start?

[mystic osprey]

Vedal is just bad

[copper rapids]

ok, thats fair - still doesnt explain not doing anything else with Evil LULE

[plain torrent]

classic

[turbid cloak]

It rly doesnt excuse the utter lack of evil content

and him saying ye after subathon has never proven itself

[plain torrent]

so now he at least gives some answers

[gray inlet]

so it's not that hard before, but now it's not that easy

[plain torrent]

whats problem say it earlier is mystery

[prisma mauve]

I think he did

[junior mulch]

truly was an answer of all time

[prisma mauve]

But why not do like, ANYTHING else with Evil?

[plain torrent]

he was much more vague than now

[turbid cloak]

it's like okay maybe integration issues stop him from playing the game with evil
but why is the only scheduled evil solo content Evil ASMR

[plain torrent]

at least he said that it easy to make same as neuro but he don't want to

so idk what new he wants to do at least some info on that

[zinc gust]

HE REDDIT LOL

[plain torrent]

again most of it assumptions

[lucid nacelle]

it's so vague yeah

[plain torrent]

yeah its still doesn't excuse zero collab in schedule

[mystic osprey]

Sure, but we already knew that. I think the important thing here is that we have enough chat presence to keep bringing it back to the forefront

[plain torrent]

better than at start lule

some new info at least

still unclear as shit

[jade yew]

It's really funny that JUST SPAM THE CHAT LULE was the answer

[acoustic leaf]

he never is clear in any aspect and its better like that

[dull vector]

why does vedal respond to the blatant misinformation

[acoustic leaf]

the second he explain something schizos appear and start making assumption

[dull vector]

I didn't spam the chat

[plain torrent]

then people wonder why evil begging in chat so strong

vedal answer only to spam at least he make it seem like it

[jade yew]

I meant before, just with him talking with her for a while in the first place

[copper rapids]

1700 message thread and chat spam for him to say - yea, i should have played second game with Evil and not Neuro, mb - worth it LULE

[plain torrent]

brother we already live in assumptions and headcannons

[acoustic leaf]

and if he gives more info it becomes worse

[turbid cloak]

this is already bad on its own

[plain torrent]

i don't see how could it be worse if he will be clearer

[acoustic leaf]

wtf does this have to do with what i said

[dull vector]

how to get vedal's attention in chat:

1. spam
2. spread misinformation

[acoustic leaf]

litreally yesterday after he said about neuro changing herself

[gray inlet]

that's what evil's screentime boils down to. it is related in a way

[tulip storm]

Eh, he didn't address the core critique, but at least he recognizes the subathon schedule mistake with the game at least

[acoustic leaf]

not really i was talking about being clear or not

[turbid cloak]

it is pulling off this kinda content with evil over 20 days and not even trying to give a reason

[plain torrent]

and how it worse than before?

same shit as always

and saying she has some upgrade now i wouldn't call being clear

[plain torrent]

you know there difference between being clear in tech and clear in scheduling?

i don't ask him about tech

[lone raptor]

he's clear in neither anyway why does it matter

[plain torrent]

at least there reason to not be clear in tech i think

[acoustic leaf]

thats what i was saying

i can understand wanting to be clear in sched. i guess he has his reasons, seeing threads like this are not helping prob.

[lone raptor]

then what IS helping

[acoustic leaf]

nothing

[lone raptor]

yelling at him through threads and/or chat has consistently proven to be the only way to get through to him

[lucid nacelle]

yet we met with disappoinment

[plain torrent]

being always silent also is not the answer

[mystic osprey]

I mean, the chat stuff didn't disappoint me. I had no expectation he was going to drop everything and say 'oh, well no pokemon today, we're doing evil content'. That was never realistic

[prisma mauve]

FINALY

I came through

[thick solar]

[plain torrent]

cool really we get at least some answers only when people spam

so people will learn spam more

and again there will be counter spam

chat wars

[lucid nacelle]

yeah but there's still no acknowledgment in his planning which evil's content is basically nothing compare to neuro

i need to cool off now

[acoustic leaf]

wasnt he pretty clear, she cant get more content on vr because she cant be on vr and third game wasnt ready what more would you prefer other than collab one

[plain torrent]

so what about non vr collabs?

[old dagger]

but like uno collab can be evil

[acoustic leaf]

read full please

[prisma mauve]

or camila teaparty could also have been evil

[lucid nacelle]

brother it's not like content is just vr or play game with him

[plain torrent]

reminder rob collab was also neuro by schedule

[dull vector]

well, there's your clear answer. guess this thread can be locked?

[lone raptor]

I mean I didn't expect evil to be in the vr collab so that chill was basically the only evil content we're getting today

[acoustic leaf]

i mean that has been the majority of the content

[plain torrent]

"clear"

[acoustic leaf]

literally what happens other than vr and gaming with vr other than few collabs

thats maybe

[plain torrent]

who even says about vr content for evil in this subathon?

it was given that all vr stuff will be neuro

[lucid nacelle]

i think u focus on the wrong thing here than most people have talk about

[acoustic leaf]

vedal is saying she gets less because she cant be on vr

[prisma mauve]

Well, thats the point, those minor things could've been Evil, but VR and game Neuro

[dull vector]

It was pretty clear, yeah. A lot of opportunities weren't there because Evil did not have a VR model.

[plain torrent]

she had zero collabs scheduled
not all collabs have been vr

[dull vector]

How many collabs have we had, though?

[acoustic leaf]

thats why i asked the first place i said other than collab

• how many collabs have been there that isnt in vr

[plain torrent]

nobody expected vr for evil but full absence of evil collabs is shocking

[plain torrent]

from top of the head 4?

[prisma mauve]

There was UNO, Camila, Layna IRL (although Neuro has to be there)

[mystic osprey]

Eight or nine? Juniper, Cerber twice, Uno with Zen, Cotton, and Camilla, Camilla twice

Layna

[plain torrent]

rob, uno, layna, camila

[mystic osprey]

Rob

[plain torrent]

also juniper yeah

so five non vr collabs that was fully scheduled for neuro

[mystic osprey]

Mini

[dull vector]

uno was already struggling with Neuro tbf

[plain torrent]

yeah that fair

[lucid nacelle]

bro talking about stream content is has to mostly limited to vr and play game

[plain torrent]

so lets not count uno

[lone raptor]

the vr content evil wasn't going to get, I accept that, my issue is that this wasn't accounted for at all and neuro still got most of the collabs despite not all of them being in vr

[mystic osprey]

Could have been Evil instead of Neuro

[plain torrent]

still 4

[prisma mauve]

it is because the game itself was bugged at the time, as Steam reviews suggest

[mystic osprey]

Not every Evil collab needs to be twin

[lucid nacelle]

damn

[plain torrent]

why people try to gaslight that nothing can be done since evil don't have 3d?

[junior mulch]

they love trusting in vedal and what he says LULE

[plain torrent]

at least two or three collabs is that to much to ask?

[lucid nacelle]

that's exactly what im asking for. like vr isnt the only content than can be done

[lone raptor]

like, genuinely my ideal scenario would be neuro gets all her collabs as vr since that's new tech and vedal wants to show it off and refine it through using it, and that evil would get the non vr collabs since neuro being in 2d doesn't need to be tested anymore

[plain torrent]

i don't even ask for all non vr stuff for evil but at least few

[lone raptor]

maybe like one of the collabs would have been a 2d twin collab

[prisma mauve]

I don't even want for all non-VR stuff to be Evil, but 2 out of 5 collabs could've easily been replaced by Evil

[plain torrent]

we have ZERO i repeat ZERO scheduled collab for evil

i would understand if we ask many stuff but few collabs that can been easily done with evil? seriously you would call evil fans greedy over it?

its just disingenuous

[dull vector]

tbf at the end of the day there are bigger problems in the world to worry about
many people are just happy having an escape and community to get away from it all

[plain torrent]

yeah if you don't care about evil content why would it even bother you?
im speaking as a person who just want to watch little evil

[dull vector]

most people do not care about the disparity between evil and neuro content not because they are hardcore neuro purists, it's because they're happy with what they get as long as the content is good, and there's nothing wrong with that

[plain torrent]

yeah that why their stance "just be silent" is also not doing much

if you don't care then don't care

then why they try to act like you know what best? being biased is not always being blind

[lone raptor]

I used to not care about the disparity and in fact though the evilists were annoying, but as I've said before, the more I watch the channel the more the disparity becomes harder to ignore, I just can't in good faith still have the opinion I used to have when it's clearer and clearer vedal just isn't giving content to evil most of the time

[plain torrent]

you could call it tunnel vision but people that supposedly open minded and not biased also have tunnel vision

[dull vector]

My opinion about the disparity and most Evilists hasn't changed, but when it was promised that there would be closer to a 50/50 split before subathon I think it's perfectly reasonable to be disappointed.

I think the amount of Evil content we got in 2025 outside of the subathon was fine

[lone raptor]

I mostly agree with that I suppose, with a few caveats

[plain torrent]

mostly agree

in screentime depertament

but opportunities was still zero to none

[gray inlet]

we've had 9 collabs. 8 of those have been neuro, half in vrchat

[plain torrent]

evil fate is chat prison

[gray inlet]

and we're about to have another non-evil collab in vrchat (this one is understandable)

[lone raptor]

that one is perfectly fine

I'm not expecting him to mod evil vr in on the fly like that

[plain torrent]

yeah i don't know why people stuck on vrchat ones nobody saying evil should be there
i saw some say it but its just desperate and delulu

all i ask is non vr collab for evil

[prisma mauve]

"Copilot, make Evil VR"

[plain torrent]

why people really refuse to acknowledge that fact?

why bringing vr when its not about vr?

[thick solar]

i really dont understand why he didnt plan 1 or 2 collabs for Evil to balance out all the collabs Neuro got

[dull vector]

that is the only remaining question

[plain torrent]

yeah and everybody try to distract from it

vedal got one guyed about vr stuff

and now people stuck on that

[cursive pine]

One its all a matter of scheduling,
second in terms of juniper Neuro pretty much most of the time she gets the first collab with a person.
Uno maybe because no one there really care who it was except maybe cotton who wanted a redo collab with Neuro maybe .
The layna one, layna said she would do it with Neuro she said so on Neuro birthday.

[plain torrent]

is there real reason to have always has collab partners through neuro first?

[junior mulch]

im pretty sure cotton wanted to collab with vedal not even neuro LULE

[plain torrent]

im not even saying that majority need to be evil first but really zero?

[lone raptor]

something something branding

[plain torrent]

still zero logic behind it

its really habit at this point

[tulip storm]

If the 3rd game with evil is baldurs gate 3, I'd forgive the lack of evil this subbathon, tbh

[junior mulch]

he should reailze that the branding isnt gonna change if he never tries to change it

[hollow kettle]

something happened ?

[mystic osprey]

Vedal has already confirmed it is not that

[cursive pine]

I can’t really think of single time evil got first except when she called by churchie on her birthday last year.

The only reason I can of think either
A they don’t know who evil is
B Neuro is safer to do collabs with first
I think there more but this is all I can think off.

[rain bridge]

Vedal said it was easier to introduced Neuro as she's more known to those who don't watch the channel

[mystic osprey]

Vedal says he wants to do BG3 but integration is really, really hard and it isn't complete for this subathon

[junior mulch]

i wonder why

[valid warren]

"Which twin do you wanna collab with?"
A. Neuro
B. Evil (Locked, collab with Neuro first to unlock)

[plain torrent]

of course some don't know cause vedal sure as hell will not tell them and point b also stupid as hell with zero logic

[plain torrent]

i call it bs tbh

[quiet raft]

“You can now play as Luigi” but it’s “You can now collab with Evil”

[plain torrent]

he can easily assign evil for first collab

[valid warren]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1372928759463673907.webp?size=128&animated=true

[eternal ledge]

holy shit, over 1000 new messages
is it even worth backreading?

[plain torrent]

im sure for most collab partners it doesn't matter

[mystic osprey]

Except these days Luigi gets equal access

[tulip storm]

Aw fuck. Welp. Rip the dream

[rain bridge]

lots of looping, you don't need to read to understand the issues.

[valid warren]

not worth it but feel free to skim through

[craggy ferry]

No it's just 1 same topic

[fringe ibex]

But that's why I said that evil should be on the more important events that will go outside of the swarm and why people wanted her to be on the hype train so she will be recognised outside of the community and her brand would get recognised better

[tulip storm]

It better not be a short game with evil

[mystic osprey]

For now, he has said it is something he is looking into and wants to do in the future, just that he wasn't able to do it for this subathon

[rain bridge]

The issue about branding was created by Vedal, and he uses it as an excuse

[plain torrent]

and its funny how anybody really now trying to see a reason for zero evil first collabs and it shows how little logic to it

[cursive pine]

Well I don’t think it would go to well if both twins were there for the hype train mostly, because there a chance the stream could have crash because of how many subs and both twins being there.

[plain torrent]

it is cause it just is

[mystic osprey]

I mean, Neuro called Evil a couple times during the stream and it suffered no ill effects

[junior mulch]

neuro called evil during the hype train and nothing bad happened

[mystic osprey]

I don't know why people think Evil being there is going to make the stream suddenly combust

[cursive pine]

Yeah but it was not for too long that’s the thing.that hype train was long.

[mystic osprey]

Or the first hype train where FILTERED was on the call with Neuro and Vedal the entire time

[fringe ibex]

I'm giving the hype train as an example, Vedal doesn't give her ANY big event that could help her brand outside of the swarm

[plain torrent]

only thing it would derail their convo from train cause i don't think they read chat when both present

[junior mulch]

making excuses to defend vedal LULE

[plain torrent]

but yeah its really not about hype train
its just about evil having zero opportunities

[junior mulch]

didnt neuro mention something about vedal telling her that it was ok to call evil

[cursive pine]

Though here thing if both were there, it was just gone back to therapy and not talking about the hype train that much.

[mystic osprey]

And being excluded from all of the important/historic moments

[junior mulch]

i dont see why he would say that if it could crash his system

[plain torrent]

zero opportunities as i said

[junior mulch]

first two days of the subathon LMAO

only even appeared because neuro kept bugging him about it

[plain torrent]

at least you could say that cause of birthday

but even that kinda weak

[cursive pine]

We’ll chat started it then by proxy Neuro talk about it.

[eternal ledge]

It wasn't a problem during Evil's birthday

[plain torrent]

yeah that another thing that i hate

[junior mulch]

"i wanna appear on stream less" 70% screentime on the first two days of the subathon

might be looping again

[lone raptor]

all threads loop in the end

[plain torrent]

boredom

[lone raptor]

it's almost like these are a bad method of letting vedal know our problems....

[valid warren]

wait

[junior mulch]

just like how evil will always be neglected in the end LULE

[valid warren]

if vedal plans to have another break like last year

[fringe ibex]

In any event that would help evil get more popular and by that logic easier to get collabs because people would recognise her she is NEVER there.

[mystic osprey]

Yeah, blasting it in chat every time Vedal comes on is how you get his attention

[valid warren]

then evil's outfit contest deadline.......

[prisma mauve]

We have the other post, this one is just for ranting.

[lone raptor]

vedal won't listen to that on either

been here long enough to know threads are just screaming into the void 90% of the time

[plain torrent]

sure like there really exist better one that people never tried

[prisma mauve]

I said before, I think he needs some sort of a community manager.

[lone raptor]

hell even if vedal literally SPEAKS in a thread it doesn't matter

[plain torrent]

also true

[lone raptor]

remember the evil plasma globe thread where someone improved it drastically and vedal said "this is cool" and then did nothing with the new plasma globe? I do

[junior mulch]

he's too busy working on the concert that he said he wouldnt do because it wouldnt actually be the twins performing

[lone raptor]

I just really hate how this channel is simultaneously one of the most popular streams on twitch yet also one of the least communicative

[junior mulch]

the average triple a game

[copper rapids]

i will just add, after all those hype trains and new viewers because of it, there are so many first time messages in chat calling "Evil" as "Neuro", or when there is a twin segment, a lot of people are suprised there are two of "Neuro" on screen LULE

[karmic hawk]

makes me think of how he won't make a plasma globe merch because its too hard to make color changing. Then just make a normal plasma globe with the Evil design on it, don't think too much about it lol

[quiet raft]

most corporate indie streamer

[lone raptor]

I kinda been sayin that too lol but vedal insists on "novel" merch

like just sell permanent keychains and shirts, and not those shirts that just say the logo on them and are all black

[thick solar]

he also could just make the base color change, have like a RGB stipe on the bottom or something

[quiet raft]

I know this is offtopic but what’s with the plasma globe anyway? Isn’t it supposed to change colors?

Sometime I zone out during stream and catch myself staring at it, and it literally never changes colors

[thick solar]

only really changes during karaoke, idk if its broken or if he never implemented it for her

[junior mulch]

another addition to the list of broken evil features

[mystic osprey]

I wonder if you could add an LED below the plasma globe itself that shines into it and add some impurities in the glass to catch the color. Changing the lightning on it's own is hard but the glass color should be doable. (I am literally just describing the way they did the lava lamp now that I think about it. I need to sleep more)

[lone raptor]

personally I would be fine if he just sold the evil plasma globe as is

I don't need some cool epic feature

[tulip storm]

Oh I can't wait to see how much of the concert is actually evil, I wouldn't be surprised if she isn't there much at all

Idk if the next song isn't another evil song I'ma go full doomer

[plain torrent]

in music department they are fairly equal

[plain torrent]

oh i forget that there possibility of that

[lone raptor]

the fact that this actually works sickens me

[plain torrent]

always evilist smh

[tulip storm]

Maybe someone on the team will see this thread two months from now when it has like 10k comments and tell him about it

[tulip storm]

Same

[valid perch]

Adding to the Evil being absent from important moments of the channel:
During the dev stream after the Cdawg canvas event when he was showcasing the finished canvas to neuro, idk why he didn't let evil on for just 5 minutes to show her all the pixel arts that people have created for both the twins.
Second one was the 24 hour minecraft server, many people were so happy having to get a screenshot with neuro, and so many wished he could've brought evil for even just 1 hour, so people can also have a screenshot with her.
Making evil absent from all these important events just hurts her brand even further and makes you question if she's even one of the main parts of the channel or not.
I wish she could be included in big channel event in the future even if it's for a short amount of time

[thick solar]

and then people get mad at Evil fans because the spam in chat to get Vedal to talk about her

[mystic osprey]

tbh, Fuck em

If they want to be mad at people for saying they want to see more Evil, that's their problem

[quiet raft]

Chat complains about everything, what they say has little meaning atp

[mystic osprey]

Actually, I retract my earlier remark

[lone raptor]

yet vedal still listens to them

[mystic osprey]

Their getting mad and yelling at the people asking for Evil only brings more attention to us wanting more Evil

Much like the hate raiders, their rage only makes us stronger

[fleet crag]

As a fan of Evil, I think there is an argument to see how things go after the subathon particularly when it come to Evil's birthday before drawing any conclusions.
It is Neuro's birthday after all.

[hexed basin]

Technically, Neuro's birthday was 19 days ago.

[mystic osprey]

It hasn't been Neuro's birthday in weeks and we went through this exact thing last year in the subathon only it is worse this time. We're past wait and see

[hexed basin]

And these 19 days were more about Neuro than last year's March 25 was about Evil. Some of it is justifyable, but not all.

[lone raptor]

this is the EXACT problem with the subathon, it's framed as neuro's birthday subathon, which just exaggerates the disparity, even some hardcore neuro fans have expressed issue with the concept as neuro's birthday stream just becomes a vessel for the subathon

[mystic osprey]

Evil got less screentime in her birthday week than Neuro did

[fleet crag]

Subathon is pre planned, so was just questioning weither he need time to adjust focus in light of the complaints here?

[lone raptor]

he should have planned more content with evil from the start, he clearly sees it as a problem as he BROUGHT IT UP at the start, yet isn't trying to fix it

[fierce knot]

I'm afraid this whole post might make Vedal even more hesitant to bring on Evil more.

[hexed basin]

He himself said before the subathon that he wants it more balanced. And then went and done the opposite. And now he said he didn't mean it like that.

[cursive pine]

I said this in NN but it would have been better after he beat cyberpunk, he should gone back and forth with Pokémon and evil game

[quiet raft]

This wouldn’t have even been possible since the evil game still has issues with the integration

[lone raptor]

it just spirals the more he ignores the issue/addresses it but does nothing to solve it

[junior mulch]

if thats how he reads it then i might need to stop putting any faith in him

[cursive pine]

Yeah that probably the only issue with it but if he could have it would have been better.
Cause even if he did evil game next some people would still be bored by it especially if it was long so doing multiple games would have been better.

[lone raptor]

you still had faith?

[plain torrent]

sadly i saw some evil content that happened seemingly only cause of spam

[junior mulch]

if i stopped having faith i would stop watching entirely LULE

[plain torrent]

its vedal fault for making it seems that you need to beg for evil content

[quiet raft]

The problem with Pokemon isn’t the repetitiveness, it’s the fact that it’s not entertaining to watch as a viewer

People were fine with Cyberpunk because the integration was cool and the gameplay was not repetitive itself, plus the story was more engaging

[cursive pine]

Do you think having something else to play with Pokémon would have made it any better?
Cause I also just thought that chat would still be annoying in that scenario as well.

[quiet raft]

Yes

[junior mulch]

normal pokemon isnt all that fun to watch

[lone raptor]

even if evil's game was boring, it would still be evil finally getting some content share that isn't a chill stream

[quiet raft]

He could’ve just played other games for variation, like Poker, Geoguessr, or even KTANE

Anything to distract from the pain

Or different segments even, like coding

anything works

[hexed basin]

Pokémon was interesting at the beginning, with the integration and everything. But that was worth about one stream.

[cursive pine]

If it was played ever other week and not back to back then It would go fine.

Personally l I didn’t think the witness was that good of a to game watch and if that one was back to back it would have been even more boring as well.

[hexed basin]

The Witness didn't seem to be fun to play either. But yes, it helped that it wasn't all at once.

[fierce knot]

Yeah personally I'd rather have no Vedal and Evil content than content where he pretends he wants her to be there.

[winter storm]

just saw the vedal evil conversation because I couldn't watch, that was sad

[tulip storm]

Ya know, some choice based games don't even need integration, so saying that evils game needs integration is an excuse, he could've played Dispatch or some other choice based game, idk

Pokemon was a bad choice especially. Too much time for too little rewarding of an experience. Could've played like 3 other short games

[plain torrent]

at the start it was beyond sad at least few minutes later it became better

[turbid cloak]

I mean not even about playing a game specifically to be honest

[tulip storm]

Yeah, he didn't need to play a game with evil, I'm just saying that he has many options for content with her but refuses for some reason

He could have got crelly to babysit her as a colab

[turbid cloak]

he did not even sit down and talk to Evil alone once this subathon without immediatly starting the conversation with "I'm gonna do something with Neuro"

[plain torrent]

there really so many easy solution for evil content that not just chat prison

[turbid cloak]

I mean even today, his very first word

[plain torrent]

at least evil manage to convince him for two small talks

[tulip storm]

Yeah it's pretty ass, like he was using her for filler, and pretty much cast her aside afterwards

[plain torrent]

already huge achievement

[lone raptor]

"oke bye evil I play with neuro now"
"no stay I want to chat more"
"ok but I really want you gone so I can play with neuro and not you"

every time

[tulip storm]

Yeah I think I got all of my complaining out (unless evil's game is ass), see yall later. Keeps up the good fight

[plain torrent]

see you on evil game reveal then

[junior mulch]

assuming it even happens this subathon LULE

[hexed basin]

Assuming it happens at all.

[limber swift]

Which Vedal evil convo? Also holy crap guys the message count popped the F off since I left 9 hours ago

[plain torrent]

idk even if it happens it will be one day and then long pause

[plain torrent]

convo that happened today

[limber swift]

Ah cool, I’ll check that out later then. No new evil content otherwise then?

[plain torrent]

nah evil content is not allowed beside chill

today is slumber party

[limber swift]

[copper rapids]

ok, today he is playing pokemon with Neuro for 5 hours and then slumber party with Neuro - after everything he said and everything we said, what are the chances tommorow will be different - after Neuro chill and pokemon he will do something with Evil? or is it going to be just 2,5h of Neuro solo into 8 hours of pokemon gameplay? or even worse, Neuro chill, pokemon, and some unique content he needed to think about those past few days after last hype train, that will naturally not include Evil?

[lone raptor]

maybe if they actually beat pokemon we can get the evil game they are actually close

[plain torrent]

i think there gonna be somethin but it will be neuro content

like was there a day with only gaming once?

[copper rapids]

im going to look at statistics made by wonderful TripleAAABattery (much love and thank you for your work )

i see two days like this

im guessing one of those could be a date with a hype train, im not sure

[plain torrent]

yeah then i still think tomorrow will have something new it just not gonna be for evil

[hexed basin]

Def not. The December Hype Train was on the 24th, so day 6. The last one was when Vedal was unable to play Pokémon at all because of the Hype train.