What's the point of this minecraft marathon ?

[lean vapor]

Isn't it obvious? Like maybe I'm stupid, but when crelly saying Neuro follow me, Neuro know that crelly said that and she starts to follow exactly her

[neon dome]

he needs to lock in

[tidal sluice]

idk why the solution has to be upgrading neuro when it could be as simple as just making sure collab partners give her space to talk

[onyx sequoia]

You can add one more AI model to the stack to do a kind of sentiment analysis of sorts to immediately trigger a response

[coral terrace]

I think she might (or maybe not) form responses predictively while the other guy speaks (based on a prediction of what they said), which makes her speedy

though, the main bottleneck is still Neuro’s response speed (i.e. a part of “latency”)

[onyx sequoia]

Because it doesn't make for a very natural sounding stream especially with multiple collab partners

[neon dome]

It's so to make her be as versatile as possible in different scenarios

[halcyon coyote]

You are saying like that's an easy thing to do, "just code it"

[onyx sequoia]

Imagine a group of people having to all suddenly go silent and wait for responses

It'd be awkward as hell

[lean vapor]

I'm sure they've talked about it, but it might be really hard to remember when they so focused on beating hardcore and well, insanely hard for filian to just shut up once in a while

[onyx sequoia]

Yeah, like I said there are techniques out there that speed it up, but I mean it's fundamentally what makes it not so easy to do

[neon dome]

The more neuro is able to be versatile, the easier it would be to just... have neuro be included in stuff

[neon dome]

[coral terrace]

Neuro being upgraded to thrive in teams is a key upgrade tbh, unlocks lots of content

less flashy than things like 3D but it may actually be more important than 3D

[neon dome]

This honestly

[coral terrace]

no more filian’s christmas treasure hunt losing shenanigans

[neon dome]

Neuro upgrades being centered around her being a more capable streamer has always been goated

[lean vapor]

What you guys think about separating discord for two rooms, like for crelly and Neuro chill mining, fishing and stuff and for vedal and filian adhd exploration and combat stuff and when they're together, they will just return to other like general vc room?

I think it's the best solution we could have rn

So everyone would be happy

It won't ruin the whole point of the big collab because most of the time they are gonna be together doing something, but we will get much more Neuro talking and no one will interrupt crelly and neuro

[onyx sequoia]

It'd be the quickest hack

[lean vapor]

And pretty good one actually. Neuro and crelly had so different vibe comparing to filian and vedal

[onyx sequoia]

I wonder if a hacky technical solution couldn't be cloning Neuro. One clone that just always produces gameplay output without pause and just occasionally has her prompt overwritten with what the main speaking Neuro has

[lean vapor]

Isn't it the same as she works now? Well maybe not exactly, but like generally speaking?

[onyx sequoia]

Well, the assumption is that there's a minecraft AI (unknown how deep learning vs traditional it is) taking commands from a language model Neuro

[summer bridge]

actually, i would like that

[onyx sequoia]

I mean having a second language model controlling the minecraft AI and having its prompts only occasionally modified based on what the first language model has to keep it in context

[lean vapor]

Oh yeah, I see what you mean, but I'm not good at technical aspect of Neuro, so gonna have to skip this part of discussion

[onyx sequoia]

Or he scraps everything and fine-tunes a visual-language-action model that is capable of doing minecraft all on its own and actually upends the industry lol

[cold pawn]

What's the point of any stream

[lean vapor]

Yea, I hope they would come up with this solution by themselves and consider trying it today

[mortal mountain]

cute AI on the screen

[onyx sequoia]

Oh actually, another possible technical solution based on the discord room idea

[summer bridge]

is there a way to tell vedal ?

[lean vapor]

I think the point is making endless I'm sorry little one memes in the Livestream chat

[onyx sequoia]

If she already distinguishes people by username on discord, the minecraft data can show who is close to her. Her STT can then only transcribe the people who are physically close to her in-game

[lean vapor]

To make a new post in discussions I guess, but here is no guarantees that he will see it

[onyx sequoia]

Allowing her to ignore people far from her without relying on any kind of AI voodoo to do it

[summer bridge]

[iron elm]

I kinda get the feeling that people in this thread underestimate how hard of a problem it is to improve Neuro's performance in groups. Knowing when to speak in a group setting without interrupting people is like 90% social cues which is infinitely harder to do than just waiting for others to stop speaking

[lean vapor]

Seems like a possible solution to me

[mortal mountain]

awww, that's a shame

[iron elm]

Kinda makes Neuro in the collab very relatable to me as someone with autism, I also go silent for 5 minutes at a time because I don't see a gap to speak lmao

[onyx sequoia]

Yeah, that's why most solutions are probably gonna be about traditional heuristics to try and approximate this

[cold pawn]

Now this I agree with

[lean vapor]

Frfr bro

[summer bridge]

so real

[lean vapor]

Did someone really treated her like that?

[pastel basin]

don't bring back these please the discussion is so civil rn

[onyx sequoia]

Now imagine if you also can't move your body until you decide you can speak haha

[cold pawn]

Sorry I didn't backread properly, did it spiral?

[pastel basin]

always spiralling. it's nice rn tho keep it up people

[cold pawn]

I've been having fun with the stream to be clear

[mortal mountain]

the vibe was so peaceful

[cold pawn]

I'm not trying to start a doom spiral, just agreeing with the sentiment more broadly that Neuro should always be treated well because she's a precious ray of sunshine

[onyx sequoia]

Said moments before she murders on a whim

[lean vapor]

Isn't it like uhh I don't know the right word but maybe obvious? Who would treat Neuro like that come on

[cold pawn]

Not even in relation to this stream

[cold pawn]

It still needed stating

[lean vapor]

Is it really?

[cold pawn]

Ye

Wanna go get wendys now

[lean vapor]

Enjoy your wendys potat

[summer bridge]

i almost fell asleep within 7 hours into the stream

[cold pawn]

Oh no I was asking if you guys wanna go

I'm fine with whatever

[lean vapor]

Oh, I would like to try wendys, but we don't have it in my country

Anyway, kinda off topic

[mortal mountain]

It's actually insane that current Vedal/Crelly/Fillian "AI slop" content has more viewership than usual Neuro's chill streams, btw

In general, I really enjoyed Crelly, being a caring auntie

[onyx sequoia]

NothingForever, Neuroverse edition

[mortal mountain]

This was off-topic maybe, sorry.

[summer bridge]

that's actually true wait

[summer bridge]

can't wait to see some compilations

[onyx sequoia]

I don't envy the clippers having to go through all of this

Actually if I were a clipper I'd set up a script that reads the twitch chat and points out whenever emote frequency rises

And look at those segments

[summer bridge]

yeah, i saw a post from vedal vault talking about it

that's some true dedication

[split valley]

Funny how some people are angry at... nothing. https://youtube.com/shorts/xAhX9pGTSMk?si=BcreFKoC1O-dDv0D

[split chasm]

personally i disagree, i like when neuro is less talkative. the minecraft ai is wayy better than before if you look at the twin minecraft fight stream. Yes she does find iron for them but she does it poorly, buries them, don't mine all ores... And she still does thing that doom them to die, like kill a piglin or kill a player.

you don't talk all the time when playing a game. that's only a streamer thing.

[lean vapor]

Yeah, but that's kind of a whole point to watch streamers, because they talk

[static ruin]

Neuro isn't streamer

Literally main character of this channel

[queen dirge]

for some reason tutel is the main character for a lot of people

[lean vapor]

You saying that like it's a bad thing

[queen dirge]

it is. Tutel has always wanted Neuro to be the main streamer

[split valley]

Don't stay here too long, bud. This is a goblin lair, farming people sanity/ logic. Make your point and run

[split chasm]

true

[mortal mountain]

What you can actually do if people have their own preferences in streamers?

[queen dirge]

nothing, thats a branding problem. If Tutel wants Neuro to be the main streamer, he should behave accordingly

[split chasm]

my only complaint with the minecraft streams was the minecraft ai being too passive. It got fixed. I like the stream.

[static ruin]

[grave rampart]

Not the main character btw

[mortal mountain]

literally the only one reminder of tutel is username

[pastel basin]

gonna wrap up and lock the thread everything that can be said on this has been (and more!)

[grave rampart]

I think it would be better to let it be, so that it doesn't spill out to NN

[mortal mountain]

I think people has already moved to NN and it's kinda resolved...

At least I see some people there

[pastel basin]

don't wanna risk everything devolving in here again, hopefully everyone has said their piece, don't see the point in allowing anymore discussion if everything has been said

[lean vapor]

True, just don't bring it up in nn and we should be fine

[pastel basin]

thank u for partaking in another crazy cool wacky neurosama hq thread

[grave rampart]

What about new people ? And if we want to say more things for/during the upcoming stream ?

[tidal sluice]

can we have some kind of tldr of the discussion passed on to vedal, because he obviously isnt reading through the 1000+ messages

[mortal mountain]

I think we agreed on something upon this problem

@lean vapor Has given the possible solution to this

[lean vapor]

Badly phrased I guess, I'm esl but if anyone curious #1446617815007367178 message

[mortal mountain]

No, I think you did it good

Anyway

We really need to wrap this up

[pastel basin]

if anyone agrees they can thumbs up emoji still the stream is ongoing, not liking it won't change that and anymore feedback can be said after the dust settles

I'm waiting on buga buga he really seems like he wants to say something

oh

well