Merch feedback/questions/rant

[vestal gull]

Now that the Black Friday merch released, I have a couple of questions and things to say.

• Can we please get an opportunity to buy some actual Neuro and Evil merch more than once a year? An entire year has passed and the only items we had on the store was the Vedal plush and now 2 pieces of cloth with just a Neuro logo slapped on it. I would like to see more merch on the store to buy that isn't just low effort clothing.

• Can you please add some Evil merch to the store? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6sP99T7pUI&t=6871s Those were your exact words back when you cancelled her birthday merch "I don't want it to seem like I'm just peddling merch for the sake of peddling merch". Can you explain to me how the Evil fumo and a themed shirt (a bad one but still) is peddling merch, but releasing 2 pieces of cloth with the Neuro-sama logo slapped on it for 60$ is not? At this point, unless you have some surprise still hidden for Neuro's birthday, Evil will end up with just a single keychain and a rerelease of a fumo as her merch after an entire year. And a fumo that was unavailable for 2 years at this point.

• Why did you want the reversible shirt to be "discreet" if you had this Black Friday merch about to release that is literally just a logo? Don't get me wrong, I appreciate that you noticed our feedback and went back to redesign the shirt, hopefully for the better, but I struggle to understand why do you not want Neuro merch to actually be Neuro merch? Why does it have to be discreet? If you didn't go back and redesigned it then we would have more discreet pieces of clothing on the store than we had the non-discreet ones.

I hope you can answer some of those questions. I'm really disappointed in this whole merch situation, especially after the piss lamp. I was expecting some more proper merch and got hit with a logo on a shirt for 30$.

Merch feedback/questions/rant

[broken halo]

people were requesting merch like this for ages thats why it now exists

a lot of people still arent comfy wearing giant anime girls on shirts and thats ok. its rare to get discreet merch so its really nice to see it available. i like anime and vtubers just as much as others but i dont want to walk through the city centre wearing it, i cba to deal with comments

[bold zephyr]

this is alot but i just wanted to answer the question about the discreetness
he stated that some people wanted to support by buying a piece of merch they like, but didnt want it super obvious, and as a way for swarm members to recognize other swarm members with a shirt

[true granite]

Hey, at least it's something. It'd be more disappointing to have Vedal tell us today "Hey BTW, merch drop isn't happening until the new year, sorry."

I feel like this merch release is the equivalent of a chill stream; something small and relatively low-effort to tide us over while Vedal works on the bigger things that we'll all be impressed by.

[vestal gull]

I would recommend for you guys to read the part about there being more discreet merch than non-discreet merch before making your comments, thanks.

[broken halo]

thats what has been requested tho, theres a thread on it #1386794619676917811

nobody really requested non discreet clothing

[vestal gull]

Why are you just lying?

[broken halo]

im not? during past dev streams it was also most common to hear people asking for lava lamp and descreet clothing (As well as evil fumo again)

[bold zephyr]

i dont see the "there being more discreet merch than non discreet" thing, care to elaborate?

[true granite]

Final bullet pointed paragraph. 👍

[vestal gull]

He literally redesigned the reversible shirt after backlash for it being too discreet, why are you suddenly trying to push the narrative that people don't want merch unless it's discreet?

[broken halo]

tbf the lava lamps have been in development for a while and had a lot of issues, so thats probably been the main concern for a while. people had been asking for that a lot and had pre-paid for them, so most likely he didnt come up with a bunch of new merch whilst doing that

[bold zephyr]

no mean i dont see where hes coming from
i know waht hte last paragraph says, but im having a hard time understanding his point

[broken halo]

i didnt say that

[true granite]

[vestal gull]

then what did you mean by "nobody requested non-discreet clothing"? and all the other stuff you said

[broken halo]

because at the time of him asking for merch ideas it was mostly lavalamp, evil plush and discreet merch

if you watch the vods back you can see

[vestal gull]

Yeah, this is just not true, no point arguing if you have some made up image of what happened.

[broken halo]

? i watched the streams myself

[bold zephyr]

maybe its because its late at night but
assuming hes making the reversible shirt discreet
that would be 2 discreet and 2 non discreet pieces of merch
(unless you consider the crewneck and tee both separate pieces of merch)

[broken halo]

what

[vestal gull]

well they are separate

[prisma perch]

after looking what i would pay for it with shipping and tax i would have to pay a bit more then 80€ for both, thats just not worth it for that boring "design".

[broken halo]

i mean i agree the price is way too high for it tbf

[bold zephyr]

maybe my perception is skewed because the past 2 drops had different designs but the current ones have the same design

[true granite]

Can't help you there, sorry, I've said my piece and I stand by it. This is just a small merch drop in order to have something for Black Friday, while the merch drop Vedal's been working hard on is coming next month on Neuro's birthday, so this is more just something to tide us over, rather than a proper merch drop. Vedal didn't even announce this one, as far as I'm aware. At least not here.

[broken halo]

i wont bother getting anything either its just too expensive. but i dont think anyone was really dismissed over wants

[bold zephyr]

its hard for me to view them as seperate pieces of merch when its the same thing but on a different type of shirt

but thats just me

[vestal gull]

I have problems with that too, the Evil part.

[broken halo]

theres another merch drop soon anyway so its whatevs. its not like its on sale for black friday its just starting to be sold black friday

[prisma perch]

if it had good art on it i would have bought it for that price but just the channel name, 3 hearts and a gear no thanks

[broken halo]

basically doesnt matter which order it was released in you still pay the same

[broken halo]

people wanted discreet clothes and they got em. like i said the price is way too high imo for what its worth but i think that about a lot of merch

[true granite]

I didn't mention Evil.

I think you're right that Evil does need more merch though. Her getting the short end of the stick again

[broken halo]

it prob doesnt even cost $10 to make the shirts

[bold zephyr]

i think one of the problems with the evil part is because of the annual
subathon on december
break for months
come back after a long time
subathon again

[vestal gull]

If people don't want Neuro merch then they shouldn't buy Neuro merch.

[broken halo]

i agree?

i dont get your point

[true granite]

I do think it's neat that it's got some texture to it, and it isn't just a flat printed image.

[prisma perch]

discreet merch is ass overall imo, im watching a vtuber so i want vtuber merch and not some normie stuff

[broken halo]

ok then good you live in a place you can be yourself

[vestal gull]

You keep talking about the discreet thing in a circle like it's the only thing I wrote here.

[broken halo]

well im only talking about the discreet part

theres nothing wrong with discreet merch as a concept or sale, i agree its too expensive tho. it was mentioned enough by people that it got made

[vestal gull]

It is wrong when it's the only thing he is releasing in a year.

[broken halo]

he had a lot of other things happening

[bold zephyr]

i think the thing is that its a way to support your streamer while also getting something thats like a keepsake(theres a better word for this that i cant think of right now) as well as a way to still have otehr swarm members recognize wheere your shirt is from

[broken halo]

his game release, 3D neuro, original songs etc

[plain creek]

I would be okay with the price but definitely for a simple tshirt with a small Neuro logo slapped on it, sorry.
Something like this I could get from any facility that prints stuff on tshirts.
I want to get some cool stuff that someone put some effort to design it something unique, special, something that I'd look at and say "holy shit it looks so cool"
This is definitely not it, thanks.

[broken halo]

thats fine. its personal preference. but i think having it as an option is also fine. its just too expensive for what it is

you can prob get like a 100 pack of shirts and print them all for £50 lol

[bold zephyr]

the reason why i bought the lava lamp isnt because i love lava lamps its because i love the channel and its a cool item i can have that shows my love without making it so obvious whenever someone comes over

[vestal gull]

Rosie, the whole point is that this is not an "option" this is all that he released. If he released both discreet and non discreet merch at the same time, sure. But this isn't this situation.

Not to even mention both Neuro and Evil designs...

[broken halo]

he was working on the lava lamp all year

i think people need to really remember its just 1 person

if you think of all the stuff he had to arrrange this year and work on as well as improving the twins themselves its a lot of work

[plain creek]

That's also true.
No one will convince me that making this "discreet" design took so much time and other resources that making an alternative, more "crazy" design was not an option.

[broken halo]

not every streamer releases merch yearly

[vestal gull]

Do you think that he drew this logo himself on every shirt that was made or what?

[broken halo]

the design doesnt really matter its someone else doing that at the end and he just says whether he likes it or not. just the arranging of it to be done is the same amount of effort. but arranging multiple different things is a different story

[broken halo]

idk if you watched any of the dev streams but he literally says what hes been up to in them

[vestal gull]

I'm starting to doubt if you watched ANY streams on this channel, the way you talk about this situation.

[broken halo]

working on memory, and 3D debut (and working with an artist for evils model too for boom), working on the lava lamps which ran into issues and had to be revised multiple times, talking to record labels about songs

dude

idk you just sound a bit ungrateful to me

this isnt exactly a small amount of work to be doing

[plain creek]

Imagine being called ungrateful because the stuff you've been anticipating to buy turned out to be underwhelming

[broken halo]

but it was anounced for ages its discreet merch

and theres more merch dropping literally NEXT month

like i said not every streamer releases merch every year, this is still a lot of stuff we have got this year

[vestal gull]

Ok, i'm putting a stop to this before it gets derailed more. You said all you could about the discreet merch. If you want to talk about something else, go ahead, but let's stop this topic.

[broken halo]

just cuz you cant physically have it or dont want it doesnt mean ther was no effort there

[wintry plover]

I wonder if rosie is going to buy the 80 dollar shirt

[broken halo]

i said i wasnt

[vestal gull]

bruh

[broken halo]

im not paying 80 even for a design covering me from head to toe

[plain creek]

[wintry plover]

Good decision

[worldly glen]

i don't really get why we couldn't have Evil version as well if all the design there is is just a logo

[broken halo]

people requested discreet merch, so it got made

[vestal gull]

Stop repeating the same stuff, please. We get it, you don't need to repeat it more, please stop derailing the thread.

[wintry plover]

Discreet =/ low effort

[broken halo]

🙄 aight people clearly didnt read what i said cuz theyre asking stuff which i answered but sure enjoy your thread for a month until more merch drops anyway lol

[vestal gull]

You would have known that I also comment on that if you read anything besides that one thing you keep talking about.

[hazy widget]

people, keep it objective in here

i think both ttsuyuki's points and rosieebun's points have been made, so let's keep this thread clean of accusations that people didn't watch streams / other kinds of speculation

thank u

[true granite]

To keep things on a more positive note: I'm just glad we have new merch at all, especially with all the new stuff Vedal's done lately - 3D Neuro and Abandoned Archive in particular.

We're getting spoiled as a community. 3D Neuro, AND Abandoned Archive release, AND new Neuro merch, all in the span of a month!

And I'm here for it.

[vestal gull]

I'm just hoping that he had something else that he hasn't announced releasing on the Neuro birthday because it's gonna be lame af to wait till Evil's birthday for her to get the room, 3d and hopefully merch (if he doesn't cancel it again). Why does it all have to be on her birthday or not at all? It just feels shitty that you have to wait a whole year for anything regarding her. Especially when you have a merch release like this, where it's literally just logos, and there isn't even an option to pick a shirt with her logo instead.

Like, there is literally an option for a pink and black colour, why couldn't the black one be Evil and pink Neuro. Obviously the best case scenario would be 2 colours for both, but just saying this assuming that it would be too much variance.

[bold zephyr]

i think its so useless to make those accusations without showing parts of the stream that actually contradict what they say its kinda of just a baseless claim at that point

[tropic zodiac]

I would like to say that for someone that likes to see people wearing Neuro merch, Vedal brings the worst design for a shirt in a while

Makes it seem like he had a date promised and last minute opened paint, drew some sort of shirt, copypasted a logo PNG and sent it for final design

So not only the shirt is really overpriced for what it is, it is not unique to be a interesting piece of merch or even justify the price and doesnt even give Vedal the opportunity to see or rather understand if someone is wearing it on the street due to how small the logo is

-# meanwhile just as an idea, he could have released the Evil plushie design that he binned for some reason...
-# for those that dont know the last piece of Evil merch (her plushie) original run was already 2 years ago...

[glossy bolt]

Wasn't the point of the reversable shirt to be the discreet merch while everything else wouldn't be?
at this point, the discreet stuff will be these shirts, while the reversable will have so much more going on with it.

[little cobalt]

Will it be a bigger size like last time? Anyone know?

[acoustic carbon]

The merch is too generic

Thats all i have to say

Honestly

[chilly sorrel]

When can we get the nondiscrete merch

And why is this shirt so... lazy?

[strange finch]

I don't have a problem with the price because I don't know how high-quality it is and I don't mind paying extra to support Vedal, but I don't want to wear a t-shirt with such a boring design. This logo is so small, barely visible. If you're so afraid of drawing an anime girl on merch in 2025, then at least make the logo a little bigger

[acoustic carbon]

if ur questioning quality, this is one of its tees✌️

[vestal gull]

Since I'm not gonna ping him over this I'll just post it here.

How can you not be disconnected from the fanbase when you handle merch like that. We are literally begging you to give us a way to give you money and this is what we get.

If you aren't disconnected then the only logical conclusion I can get from this is simply that you don't want to make any Evil merch or put anime girls on shirts anymore. Then just straight up tell us that instead of stringing us along.

[nimble osprey]

hm

i'd also put my own opinion/idea for this case
i feel like they should try exploring more abstract designs that doesn't look too "cringy" on the public but still pretty stand out. maybe would be the one that stood out to everyone but only the swarm would actually recognize what the design actually is

in a way that it "felt more blended" to the public but still clearly recognizable. i think i've seen some really good examples of these

[rigid trellis]

at least when it comes to the crewneck, it seems reasonable at the bundle sale price (before shipping costs). t-shirt price is definitely not acceptable though even with the bundle pricing.

[rigid trellis]

i mean, this is how much a shirt with a full graphic is worth according to them

maybe this is because they need to make up for selling the lava lamp at a loss

[feral pumice]

the fact this is only $7 more is nuts to me.

this really is the main thing for me. sure if you want a minimalist design, go for it, but the price is crazy.

[vestal gull]

I'm just gonna say that it's very telling that he doesn't even want to inform people that the merch released today with a discord ping. And it's also very telling that the mods didn't even make any announcement about it, even though they made sure to let everyone know about Abandoned Archive releasing.

[true granite]

I think he didn't tell people with a discord ping because this is a minor merch drop.

[vestal gull]

Only a minor merch drop that was mentioned on multiple dev streams, very minor.

[opaque pivot]

biggest neuro merch drop this whole year

[true granite]

Compared to the one on Neuro's birthday, yeah, fairly minor.

[vestal gull]

Fairly minor, only took 5 months of mentions about how minor it is

[opaque pivot]

again, biggest in almost a year

[true granite]

I'm comparing it to what's coming up.

[tropic zodiac]

This seems like the whole "potential man"

Its always the next thing

What we have now its always worth it cause there is potential for later

I guess thats the why stagnation feels really common on the channel

[opaque pivot]

we don't know what's coming up, we already saw initial designs and it's not making me optimistic

[true granite]

I was saying earlier that I'm just glad we have anything at all, but people kept complaining so I'm just trying to bring some, ANY positivity to this place. I guess people just wanna be mad about this merch drop.

[tropic zodiac]

Well you see the positivity is kinda hard when people have already had to waste it before

[vestal gull]

I don't want to be mad but how am I supposed to be happy about this merch after waiting so long for it? We already saw what he has planned for the birthday. A shirt that would be just some random balloons and a heart that you can't even recognize Neuro and Evil with, if not for the fact that he made a good decision to reveal it and people told him how shit it is. Fumos which are cool, but this isn't anything new, people already have them and as I already stated, Evil had to wait 2 years for her fumo to be rereleased. And keychains which seem like the only product without a "but", just solid merch that we should have more of.

So unless he has something else planned in secret, this is really underwhelming. And even if he has something secret planned, it's not gonna be Evil since it's "Neuro's subathon" so my Point 2 gets even more true.

[true granite]

I dunno man, I just think having more merch is better for the people who want it. And yes it's disappointing that the merch design is so minimal, but at the same time, with everything Vedal's been doing the past couple months, what with AA releasing, Neuro being put into 3D, plus having to balance regular streams on top of that, it's frankly insane we got anything at all.

[vestal gull]

If his merch company is unable to come up with design without his constant surveillance then they are an awful merch company and shouldn't be in business.

[opaque pivot]

didn't know vedal was personally working on merch design

truly a man of many talents

[tropic zodiac]

I really doubt its their fault anyways, seems more like a Vedal "just do your thing" and left them with little to no info

[vestal gull]

I agree, I'm just responding to Duck's claim that Vedal was NEEDED

[opaque pivot]

although, considering the results, I wouldn't be surprised

[true granite]

Exactly. Because he's been so busy with everything else he's been doing, so he hasn't had time to approve designs, he's just been like "Yeah, okay, go for it", and it makes sense that, when left to their own devices, a company would put a logo on a shirt and call it a day, because they were given no further instructions.

Because of everything that's been happening.

[opaque pivot]

shame that a year only consists of three months

[tropic zodiac]

Sadly with what we know even on times where he is not busy he tends to not care about presentation

-> Evil model

So the whole "he was just busy" doesnt work

From my guess he had a date set, either forgot or neglected and gave a rushed idea just so he wouldnt fail another deadline

[vestal gull]

Why are we even having this conversation when we KNOW that he disapproved some designs like the turtle toilet

[true granite]

True, though I don't think him being busy helped matters at all. It's not the only factor, but it was probably a contributing one.

[tropic zodiac]

Being busy is just an unecessary excuse

[vestal gull]

Clearly he wasn't busy enough to stop vedal toilet from being made

Why didn't he stop this?

[true granite]

Because it was ready by the deadline and he didn't want to delay it any further because it was so rapidly approaching Black Friday?

IDK man, I'm just trying to find a silver lining here and I'm constantly being shut down.

[vestal gull]

It's not really a silver lining, you're trying to find excuses for him.

[tropic zodiac]

Happens some of us have tried to see the silver line for sime time now

Gets to the point where you start to look on a "rusted line" per say

[vestal gull]

The silver lining is that SURELY he won't fuck up Evil's birthday merch this time, right? Right?

This is silver lining

Not looking for excuses for him

[true granite]

My silver lining was going to be that some people like the merch and we can't begrudge them that, but apparently we can, so I pivoted.

My whole argument was "We got merch, and some people like this kind of merch" but I was met with "Yeah, but it's shit merch" like nobody heard or cared what I said.

So I'm gonna stop trying.

Because people want to hate this.

[vestal gull]

I already explained all the reasons why I hate this, and trust me, I don't have to force myself to do it.

[opaque pivot]

shame vedal couldn't have been so busy when releasing his own personal merch, only when it's neuro's merch

[wintry plover]

Idk seems like he has enough time for this at least

I love how they shilled their disapproved merch too

[winged snow]

I feel like many people were expecting something more interesting and unique but ended up just getting a shirt with a logo slapped on it. I know the intent was to be discreet, but they could've at least been creative with the design. They put absolutely no effort into it. They could've at least put on normal merch that isn't discreet alongside it for those who do want to purchase such a product, but they didn't. I'd say this is especially significant since this is supposed to be permanent merch, and yet, they only released this. Of course, there is nothing wrong if you wish to buy this, but you can't lie and say that this is worth the price of THIRTY DOLLARS (excluding shipping). Things could've definitely been done better, and I was expecting more and for him to satisfy both sides (those wanting discreet and non-discreet merch). Despite this, I'm still looking forward to the December 19th drop, as he'll be dropping the actual merch there.

[true granite]

IDK why people keep bringing up the discreet merch as if this is it - the "discreet" merch will be releasing next month, with the reversable hoodie that doesn't have Neuro or Evil actually on it. That was, I thought, the discreet merch they were going for, so it can be worn but not advertise.

This fully has a logo on it, which, while still discreet, is LESS discreet than that.

[tribal stirrup]

I'll be real with y'all, this black Friday merch drop was just like a filler episode.

Some people don't like filler episodes and some do. Though I can't explain why the prices are insane here.

Also, we got the lava lamp which is some merch a vtuber has never done before. It was time limited but it was cool to see.

From that I can tell that unless it's some unique kind of merch, like a lava lamp or the reversible T shirt. Vedal would be more involved in it compared to "normal" merch.

So this is the thing. What kind of merch would Vedal like to be involved in. This whole Neuro Sama project is at the end of the day a fun project that became a job. But Vedal is still young and seems to like to do ambitious projects and so on. We saw that with the 3D project, official songs, the concert, Abandoned archive, the subathon etc.

[winged snow]

Many comments here implied that this was supposed to be the discreet merch, so it had fooled me into thinking such. Either way, the claims that I/others have made still hold true.

[winged snow]

It does seem like such, but it shouldn't be a surprise that some people were disappointed with the "filler" we got (not saying this in a manner that goes against you).

[latent light]

How long will the Black Friday merch be available for? I get paid on Tuesday lol.

[winged snow]

It's permanent.

[latent light]

https://tenor.com/view/awesome-funny-awesome-to-the-max-gif-13995444

[vestal gull]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v56RL1RMfoM&t=5089s

Don't listen to people spreading misinformation, this black friday merch is the discreet apparel he mentioned, you can hear him mention the crewneck while talking about it.

@true granite also a ping for you, read above

typical defense force behaviour, making up lies

[true granite]

Alright, relax. I misremembered, not a big deal. No need to be antagonistic about it.

[vestal gull]

when you come to my thread and accuse me of "trying to hate it" meanwhile you just post wrong information, it's kinda hard to not get annoyed

[true granite]

To be fair, you have been only negative about this thus far, so even though I acknowledge I overreacted due to anxiety, I can see why I did.

Anyhow, I gotta go. Sorry I accused you of things earlier. I hope this gets sorted, but I fear we're just gonna have to live with it.

[vestal gull]

No problem, hopefully it will.

[feral pumice]

I guess my concern now is that if the shirts cost this much, im kinda worried about the price of the items on the 19th. I hope its not that much