#Future competitors?

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kindred plume
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Question for Vedal

Considering the success of Neuro-sama, it's inevitable that others might try to replicate or build upon what you’ve accomplished. While there aren’t any notable competitors right now, I'm curious—how would you feel if someone created their own AI streamer that followed a similar path to Neuro?

Since you've made a lot of smart and creative decisions, it’s likely they’d try to mimic some of your approaches. What are your thoughts on people following in your footsteps or closely imitating your work?

And looking ahead—if more AI streamers do appear in the future, would you ever consider collaborating with them? A Neuro collab with another AI sounds kind of cute, no? It's like letting your kid play with other kids.

(I’m a new follower, so apologies if this has already been answered somewhere. I also tried to stay within the guidelines this time 😭 )

hollow pagoda
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As a watcher it depends, if this "competitor" is just ai slop that tries to profit copying neuro then no

But if it's made by someone like Vedal, even if ispired by him, but actually cares about it and puts the work behind it then i wouldn't mind

Vedal would probably say the same, he's not some dictator monopolizing the market. he's just the only one that made ai enjoyable, fun to watch and lovable

split tide
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For competitors, I'd urge them to make their AI's avatar smol like Neuro's. AI thrive on positivity. Neuro's sole purpose is to entertain and she continually receives 'cute and funny' compliments. A shortstack could also work.

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Vedal doesn't want to give away even a crumb of information about how Neuro works so an AI collab may never happen

main pivot
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Chibi neuro model

kindred plume
tulip pawn
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I've seen couple competitors popping up here and there, but they don't seem to attract much interest. It's like if you know how to cook a burger and chips, how can you make yours stand out above the already established brand?
Neuro&Evil is an innovator in the scene so they have the advantage, they've also allow viewers/followers see them as they grow as Vedal upgrade them (this is quite hard to do for copycats)
If you want to compete with Neuro at this stage, you need to offer something that Neuro can't do, outside singing, bantering, reacting, etc

kindred plume
# tulip pawn I've seen couple competitors popping up here and there, but they don't seem to a...

I agree, you can’t just copy Neuro and expect to succeed. But I also think it’s important to distinguish lazy imitation from necessary imitation.

Most of the so-called competitors we’ve seen so far are still in the “copycat” stage, not because they want to, but because they’re still mastering the fundamentals. As an artist, I’d compare it to how we all start by copying great artists before developing our own style. You need to get the basics right, like the singing, the banter, the personality presence, before you can branch out and innovate.

Also, keep in mind that Vedal popped off ~2 years ago, but he was working on Neuro well before that. So it’s logical to assume that many of the “serious” future competitors are still in the kitchen cooking. They just haven’t emerged yet, especially since the R&D barrier is still high. Until AI streamer development becomes more accessible (in cost, tools, and skill), we probably won’t see many high-effort attempts.

That said, not learning from Vedal would be a mistake. He’s not just the most visible — he’s also made some damn good decisions. In my opinion, not referencing those decisions or branching out too early is unwise.

primal river
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I’ve seen many AITubers, but none of them compare to the twins. There are some that are better than others, but they’re still far off. Neuro and Evil are literally in a league of their and dominate the niche due to being known as THE AI VTubers. They’re likely not going to have competition for a long while.

frank trellis
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There are some that do one thing better than Neuro. Like I've seen on which has way better unity scene animations. There's another one which can tell more consistent stories (but ends up being kind of boring because of it). But none that are even close in the breadth of abilities that Neuro and evil have.

primal river
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Yeah the girls just feel significantly more real and human than any other AITuber. There’s always something a bit off and kind of hollow with the others but it doesn’t feel that way with the twins. They feel more alive.

mellow lily
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I was actually thinking about this today coincidentally. As neuro gains more popularity and as LLMs become more accepted in people's lives, the chances that someone with a lot of money and audience brings out their own AI streamer and succeeds with it will only get more likely.

Vedal is pretty safe right now since there isn't really anyone like Neuro & Evil, so even with four months of no dev streams and barely any updates they are still maintaining their audience. With how much attention she's gotten I feel like it's only a matter of time until someone else comes in to try and take a piece of the pie.

Imagine if Hololive came out with their own 'Vedal & Neuro"-like duo? They would immediately get a large audience, have easy access to many collab partners and merch opportunities, and have a lot more money to invest on AI improvements and maybe even backing from a Japanese tech company. If their dev vtuber is also entertaining and they can both stream by themselves it's basically over for vedal

primal river
# mellow lily I was actually thinking about this today coincidentally. As neuro gains more pop...

I’ve thought about this before. A company would have trouble retaining an audience of people because the AI would be seen as a corporate creation of a company, and unless there is one person like Vedal who has genuine love towards working on making that AI as good as possible even if it pisses off investors, then it might work. A single person likely wouldn’t be able to fund all of it unless they are some millionaire, but they would also have to put genuine passion and dedication into the project as well as being good at social networking with streamers, and if they’re a millionaire that’s very possible. A research group could also potentially make a great AITuber, but it’s unlikely to happen.

mellow lily
# primal river I’ve thought about this before. A company would have trouble retaining an audien...

Yes but what if someone that is passionate and skilled gets picked up by a big company? I think my Hololive example could totally work if they found the right person for it.

And I don't think it's impossible for a big company to have their own successful AI streamer. It is absolutely possible as long as they are very smart about how they present it. For example using them as purely a collab partner until they get their own fanbase, and having a passionate dev who also takes part will make it harder for people to claim it's just AI slop.

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The fact that neuro-sama is popular is literally proof that it can done

primal river
# mellow lily Yes but what if someone that is passionate and skilled gets picked up by a big c...

Yeah, it’s just kind of unnecessary for a company to implement that as well. Streaming more than a human would kill the exclusivity that is a part of what makes Neuro/Evil acceptable, so that wouldn’t be an advantage, Neuro and Evil are also expensive to run, so that wouldn’t be too much of an advantage either, there’s also a lot of anti-AI sentiment and a company creating an AI streamer would be viewed VERY differently compared to just some guy out of his basement or whatever, there’s a big underdog element to the girls success. In areas where AI takes over, things are done more easily by an AI, that’s why companies use AI for certain tasks, but for an AITuber that can compete with the girls, that’s not the case.

mellow lily
# primal river Yeah, it’s just kind of unnecessary for a company to implement that as well. Str...

we do know they aren't cheap to run but we don't know if the cost of running them is as high as the cost of a single person's salary

I do kind of see your point though. I still think it could be possible for a company to pull it off and as technology progresses it'll only get easier to do, but it would be such a big risk to take and could backfire so easily if not handled well that it would be pretty unlikely

hybrid nimbus
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https://vedal.ai/advice/ - Vedal probably doesn't care if someone tries to compete.

Though personally, the biggest hurdle is to build a community around it. Since there already is an open source ai vtuber out there, so the barrier to entry is very low.

primal river
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kindred plume
# mellow lily I was actually thinking about this today coincidentally. As neuro gains more pop...

I agree, right now, there’s no AI Vtuber that can truly compete with Neuro and Evil. But I think one of the biggest (if not the biggest) factors behind their success is Vedal’s connections.

Think about it: if all their streams were just the twins with no collabs, no guests, no external interaction, they’d still have a decent fanbase—but not nearly the same level of clout they have now. The collabs amplify visibility and social credibility, pulling in fans from every corner of the internet.

It’s not just that the twins are impressive. It’s how well-connected and strategically positioned Vedal is within the scene. That man is a genius, not just technically, but socially.

So yeah, tech and consistency matter. But if you ask me, Vedal’s greatest asset isn’t code.
It’s networking.

primal river
ripe wigeon
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The difference is that all three of them has some kind of back story. Neuro; who started from an OSU. Evil; Whose birthday that basically had an "emotional" impact to her and probably to some of us. And Vedal; His dead beat beginnings, and look what he's turned into. A hard working Dad who is willing to almost Archive his own game for his own Virtual Daugthers.
But all in all, Vedal is the one who's actually making it into a success he just don't want to admit it, but we see it.

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