Neuro Fanfics Discussion! [+All stories are at the pinned link!]

[prime solar]

just noticed this, whoa that's kinda hardcore

[willow zephyr]

Well, not really. I'm just indie fan combined with other culture (other from englishspeakers)

[prime solar]

Chapter 3 done. I really like this one Trying to decide if I wanna upload it right now or wait a bit since I just uploaded chapter 2 late yesterday.

[pearl bluff]

Actually gonna incorporate it into an existing work

[pearl bluff]

Sounds great tbh, thanks for sharing

[prime solar]

Oh wow alright cool

[pearl bluff]

You are quick these days

J e e z

[prime solar]

I have a lot of spare time.... and way more motivation because of you guys

Honestly too much spare time, I look at this thread so often even when nothing is happening here lol. I'm probably just a bit too obsessed with all this at the moment and it'll slow down.

[pearl bluff]

I wish

These days Ive been really busy

BUT STILL

Great way to make use of uour time

[pearl bluff]

I mean, I don't blame you

[prime solar]

It's been so fun meeting you guys and talking together and sharing this common interest!

[prime solar]

True there's a lot worse things I could be doing. It's a great creative outlet and skill building, and now a social activity! I haven't been this into writing in like, ever, and ny youtube usage has been cut down drastically which is honestly a good thing.

[prime solar]

It'd be nice just to have a good balance right?

[pearl bluff]

Pretty much me too

And a lot of other people too im sure

[pearl bluff]

THAT'S GOOD THAT'S GOOD

I have a feeling your youtube consumption was a lot prior to this thread

[pearl bluff]

Pretty much, yes

But my main problem is sitting down but not ending up writing

[sly flower]

Fic update!

[prime solar]

Ok I'll update it

When I get home in 30 minutes

[prime solar]

Relatable...
I mean balance in life in general though since it's tough baving too much or too little happening constantly in my experience

[prime solar]

Well about the escapism, during that 9 month mental health crisis i was at like 5 bours per day (it was helpful at the time when I was nonfunctional). As things are better I was intending to make sure I wasn't watching 3 hours per day, but now it's like an hour average!

[prime solar]

I'm really happy to hear that!

[pearl bluff]

Jeez, I mean

Common thing for everyone to go through

We all just cope differently with our situations I guess

Also I found music that I think is really good for emotional writing

And also really good for background noise when writing emotional stuff

[prime solar]

Oh what is it?

[pearl bluff]

Here you go

https://youtu.be/7FxT0VXAR9A?si=C0Wo7HAuB7MSWxDR

Found this just a couple hours ago but the tone it has stuck with me

It sounds like 'breath of fresh relief'

Almost like a climax of a problem kind of feel to it

Where everything was shit but, it'll get better.

[prime solar]

oh yeah it does, kind of like, rising up in hope from a lower place

[pearl bluff]

Yep!

Music like this gives me really solid imagination on how to structure scenes

Sometimes writing is hard if you can't see what you want

Music helps build that for you

This is music that could've applied to

Neuro being saved by anny in Company Property
Or Evil being saved by anny (too) in Broken Code

[prime solar]

Anny starts an AI shelter where they take in abused AIS

[pearl bluff]

(waiting for an Anny saves Vedal fic)

God there's no vedal x anny fics im so desperate

I've been brewing one up but it's still later into the chapters

AUGHHHHH

[prime solar]

I'm honestly super surprised there isn't anything, normally like 50% of fanfics have the romance tag, and VedalxAnny has been a widely popular ship for so long now, even just in regular viewers lol

[pearl bluff]

Honestly tho

In ao3, f/m ships aren't really too popular unless they're unhinged

Most people would rather write mm or ff

At the same time Vedal has been literally hanging out more with Camila these days

And at the same time anny is going through some trouble rn

And of course, livinf her own life as a streamer

[prime solar]

wait what?

[pearl bluff]

Apparently some noise complaint

She's sound proofing her walls

[prime solar]

oh, I see I hope that gets sorted out okay

Why does my word document say my story is 6050 words long but ao3 says my story is 5967 words long

https://archiveofourown.org/works/55465057/chapters/141399997
Chapter 3 is on the internet friends

[willow zephyr]

Well, tbh this chapter is quite empty. Like, alignment and sleeping and that's it.

[prime solar]

What

[willow zephyr]

Not like I write at all, so not me to talk

[willow zephyr]

Magnum opus

Just readed

[prime solar]

Oooooh i got scared for a second i was so confused lol

[willow zephyr]

Yeah, I guessed

[prime solar]

Since I just posted my new chapter

[willow zephyr]

Yeah, I understand

[prime solar]

I haven't read Magnum Opus so I dunno much about it, just saw it was updated after a long time so I shared that here when I saw it

[sly flower]

having Anny and Vedal pine for each other intensifies

[prime solar]

I would read AnnyxVedal fanfics tbh

[sly flower]

Me too… but I don’t feel confident enough to write that.

[prime solar]

I'm sure somebody will eventually

No mod from the neuro Reddit has responded to my question yet about shsring fanfic stuff, at some point I'll just contact one of them here

[true crest]

[prime solar]

[prime solar]

I am bored and sleepy

[sly flower]

Frick you Shadrake I love you so much….

[prime solar]

[sly flower]

Just read your chapter

[prime solar]

Oh nice, thanks for reading!!!

[prime solar]

So does that mean you liked it?

[sly flower]

YES

[prime solar]

Yay! I'm glad

[ebon sluice]

about how this chapter hurt my feels:
hey op fuck you (affectionate)

[prime solar]

I'll take that as a sign I did an alright job thank you for reading

[ebon sluice]

it is

[prime solar]

alright cool I'm glad

[prime solar]

I'm actually quite happy with how the story and especially chapter 3 is going. I feel like I'm doing a pretty decent job bringing to life the story that came to mind when I was reading Company Property.

[rose portal]

It's very good yes. Like how it's turning around.

[prime solar]

thanks

[sly flower]

Roll call! If you have not been murdered by Evil in your sleep, please say „lamp“

lamp

[pearl bluff]

lamp

[prime solar]

I can't, I don't know how to write upside down quotations on my keyboard

I appreciate the effort
Writing shipfics isn't really my thing so I'm not planning on being the one to do it, I just wouldn't expect to have to since they're normally the most common thing to exist

[sly flower]

Good, good, that means at least three of us survived

[prime solar]

did she go on a rampage or something last night?

[sly flower]

I am legally not allowed to share that information.

[pearl bluff]

HOW ABOUT YOU MAKE ONE

EUGHHH

[prime solar]

Maybe if people from the reddit join us they'll make it
Gonna ping Shiro and ask for a response to my mod DM on the subreddit since I don't think they even check it

[pearl bluff]

classic mods

[prime solar]

Hey who's really checking the 'mod mail' on a subreddit that often, I don't blame them

Considering sharing neuro fanart is halfway to promotion already I'd imagine they'll be okay with me sharing Neuro fanfic stuff but I just want to make sure I have permission first

[pearl bluff]

I.. GUESS SO

When they say promotion it probably means personal stuff not neuro related

But it could also apply to solo works for neuro related stuff

I think sharinf the link to the entire ao3 page is not promoting

[prime solar]

true, that's why I wanna ask and get permission first

yeah I was gonna share the ao3 page and the discord thread if possible.

[pearl bluff]

If you want ill try and ask a mod here

[prime solar]

I'm actually doin' that now

[pearl bluff]

Share their reply on whether we get greenlight or not

[prime solar]

was gonna contact Shiro since Shiro is on the reddit mod list and seems friendly

for sure

Should I DM Shiro or ping in the sub-only text chat here lol

[pearl bluff]

Dms are better

Less flood

[prime solar]

true

[pearl bluff]

BUT

I think you should ping shiro in

[prime solar]

I can always advertise the thread and ao3 in that channel later

[pearl bluff]

A chat BEFORE

You dm him

So it's not out of nowhere

[prime solar]

makes sense, good idea

it's okay though I'm not just saying happy birthday, I'm doing business

[sly flower]

True. But yeah, Shiro is cool. Unless it completely violates rules, he/she/they will probably allow it.

[prime solar]

Well the question was basically about rule 5 which just says 'No promotion' without elaborating at all.

I don't know if that means not sharing Neuro ao3 fanfic page or the Neurocord discord fanfic forum thread.

[sly flower]

Again, ask first. If they say no, well, we tried.

[prime solar]

I mean that's what I'm doing. I sent a DM on the 'message the mods' button on reddit several days ago but no response has happened so I'm inquiring with Shiro about it here because Shiro is mod there

I could also DM someone else but I chose Shiro

[sly flower]

Well, tell us how it goes

[prime solar]

for sure

[pearl bluff]

I made a new chapter for Binary Bonds

And I am fucking sure that it is singlehandedly the most poorly written thing I've written in my careerr

Well except for the old works where I literally spent 500 words describing a kitchen.

But the plot of this one just seems so weird, but to hell with it

I'm gonna post it and see where it goes

[sly flower]

If it makes you feel better I wrote a 1200 word chapter and then decided to not post it (for now).

[sly flower]

What do you even describe for that long?

[pearl bluff]

I was a rookie and uh.

I described the location of the fridge

The stove

What kind of stove it was

Where the window is

What's outside the window

How the kitchen smells like

And the memories associated with it

And funny thing is this kitchen is never mentioned again in the story because it's action

[sly flower]

that was the length of my early chapters…

And honestly, I don’t think I can create a mental image of a kitchen that detailed

[prime solar]

oh gosh that's the opposite of the problems I normally have had with show vs. tell lol

[prime solar]

You are a brave individual

[prime solar]

also nice!

[pearl bluff]

Alright POSTED

God I don't think I'm ready for the comments, but I want genuine honest opinions

Tbh im at a point where im trying to accept wild ideas

And to stop being so attached to going for the normal routes

If people don't like my work, don't give a shit, but at least there'll be a couple that appreciate it

I think that's the thing I look forward to the most

So I might as well write for them

[prime solar]

Well, I wasn't predicting where your story would go at all if that's what you mean by normal routes, but maybe that's just me I'll read the new chapter and leave a comment

[pearl bluff]

Well it feels like I'm going into more

Crack fic territory with each chap

Im learning how to press the post button

Hhhhhhh

Okay updated the beginning to make the context more clear

[sly flower]

You know, before we started the thread I always felt bad about not really knowing what I was doing…
That is no longer the case, because I realized that’s normal.

[pearl bluff]

Y e s

[prime solar]

I am so confused and emotionally unstable let's go

[pearl bluff]

Thay doesn't sound great AHAAHAHHAA

W

Well that is to be expected

[ebon sluice]

lamp

[pearl bluff]

Wait okida

You're the one who asked if it was Humansongs right

[ebon sluice]

yes

[pearl bluff]

Knew it

[ebon sluice]

here I am thinking "wait that was YOU who wrote that one???"

[pearl bluff]

HOW DID YOU NOT KNOW

[ebon sluice]

I may be stupid /meme

[pearl bluff]

Well I sent a reply

Mb on like

The delay of

Like a month

LMAO

[ebon sluice]

DW I saw the reply and I personally thought "I KNEW IT"

[pearl bluff]

YEAH IT WAS PRACTICALLY INSPIRED BY IT

I was like

'what if vedal was dead'

Heartfelt moment

[prime solar]

I left a comment with my thoughts.
To be fair that emotionally unstable message had more to do with like, my mood this morning and being Bipolar.
Socially awkward moments in stories (not bad moments, just socially awkward moments) tend to make me have to pause for a moment and then come back to it, so it took me awhile to get through (for my own personal issues lol)

So I also don't know if any 'criticism' I could give is necessarily with me in my right state of mind or not right now so I apologize for that one lol. Maybe I really should increase my med dosage

[ebon sluice]

TBH I'm wondering if Evil's code may ever become stable in a later chapter

[prime solar]

What I will add that is something I do know is legit just part of stories, is that in general it's very very difficult and risky to change your story's concept and focus at any point significantly into it, because your audience has built up an attachment and investment in the story and plot and characters they've been following for all this time. And in some ways it's like starting something new in the place of what is old that's unfinished. It's easy to lose people that way if the core concept is abandoned

I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE DOING, just that this is a general fact of stories. And I realistically don't actually understand where things are going or what's happening.

It could just be me I may just be dumb. But I dunno.

[pearl bluff]

Yeah my pov too

A G R E E D

But I think it's build up anyways

I have something connecting it to future chapters but rn im just trying to get out of my shell for it

[pearl bluff]

Im planning on continuing it after I am satisfied with the amount of chapters I updaye with binary bonds

[prime solar]

I see. I wish I could say more but without more context/understanding all I am really left with is a chapter where I don't really understand much of anything that happened after ||Camila left the room.|| It's one of those things that might be totally fine in hindsight after I read more but right now I can't really.

[willow zephyr]

Hm, this isn't connected with this whole conversation, but I can't help but notice interesting tendency of Archive community: no one criticizes anything. Everyone will say that this is "great", "awesome", "perfect", but not a single soul tell what they don't like. And "awesome" kind of comment is even on works with close-to-zero kudos. I wonder if this is like that for en in general, or is it just Archive?

[prime solar]

If I'm being totally honest it concerns me that the story that was happening so far might be being abandoned for something else, but that's solely from this perspective of not being able to see what's coming next and what just happened being like, I don't even know I didn't really enjoy it? Nothing I say really means anything until I get to read more is what I'm saying so I'm gonna stop repeating myself

[ebon sluice]

Latest chapter kinda makes me think Evil "woke up" as a self-defense mechanism for if selfdefense.py was overkill

[pearl bluff]

It's the general

[prime solar]

I think it's either a) people having low standards for fanfiction or b) people just wanting to be nice no matter what or c) people don't want to put in the time to make real criticisms

[pearl bluff]

But it depends on how popular a story is tbh

Most of the time archive readers just don't

Bother reading works they don't like

Or they do like the story but don't like smth most people just dont bother saying it

[prime solar]

oh this is also a factor isn't it

[willow zephyr]

Hm, .

[prime solar]

or this, the majority of people just don't want to bother taking the time to comment in general

applies to all sites that people upload stuff they make

[willow zephyr]

Well, yeah, lazyness is international. But I was just so confused by lack (complete absent) of critic

[prime solar]

I prefer to be encouraging rather that critical unless people ask for it.

[willow zephyr]

I got used to a LOT of critic, both adequate and not

[prime solar]

Phobi wanted me to be brutally honest so I tried my best to actually express what I was feeling about the chapter especially since it, well, gave me concerns

[willow zephyr]

But on english segment of ao3 there's no such thing at all

[prime solar]

I mean I would've regardless but especially since I was asked to

[pearl bluff]

^^
Honestly I understand the confusion, but I'll explain it soon

[pearl bluff]

Yo, holon, what do you mean by that? That genuinely sounds cool

Also spoiler tags be aware

[prime solar]

||use da spoiler tag for things happening in da fics||

[willow zephyr]

Well, there's a problem with this logic: there's a lot critic on non-en segments of fanfiction

But I get the idea

[pearl bluff]

I think it's just a culture thing for different people

[prime solar]

yoooo we finally got the elusive "several people are typing"!!!

[willow zephyr]

Yep, seems like it

[prime solar]

big thread we've made it

[pearl bluff]

There is really no other decisive reason other than that

Heck yeaahh

Ao3 all in all, the en sector is just

Q u i e t

If people do comment usually they won't comment more than a few sentences

[prime solar]

Also we've somehow passed the Artist Thread in this server for messages sent already

[pearl bluff]

I think in very dedicated communities or very large fics do criticism appear

[ebon sluice]

Well a couple chapters mentioned that ||her code was "unstable" and that her file got corrupted||

[sly flower]

Nice

[pearl bluff]

BECAUSE its what people deem 'worth their time'

Ive seen this huge 30k per month fic and people reciprocate by typing in seven paragraphs of analysis and review every updaye

Good stuff

And ir was a harry potter x game crossover fix

[willow zephyr]

Well, this is unjust to compare it like that. Does this message equal art by workhours? Not in a slightest. But it is 1 message, just like 1 art

[prime solar]

I mean they discuss art there too. And yeah it's not a competition... just shocking how much we've talked here how fast

[willow zephyr]

Well

If we write like that

It's be fast

To talk even more

[pearl bluff]

That's actually a really solid- DAMN. Actually it connects with what I plan for the rest of the story so that's wild. But I haven't even thought of ||selfdefence.py|| during that time. I just thought of Evil as an ||incomplete test subject, and although her tests were successful they weren't stable so her sentience just caused her downfall. It's like Neuro is a more complete and stable project but less progressed and Evil is very much more progressed in trade for her stability.||

[willow zephyr]

(Fuck, my english is bad when fast)

[sly flower]

Idea: talking about fanfics
Execution: fanfic writers talk. (Sometimes even about fanfics)

[prime solar]

We also just passed Song Suggestions II now

[prime solar]

ye

[willow zephyr]

I thought it was idea for fanfic, kekw

[prime solar]

Which of your chapter stories are we talking about here I'm confused

[pearl bluff]

YDNMAN

[prime solar]

oh I thought it was Binary Bonds because of ||selfdefense.py||

that makes more sense though

[sly flower]

Rarely that too

[pearl bluff]

Oh no, okida was just comparing Evil's ||corruption|| to ||selfdefence.py|| and I thought it was a valid reaction to it

[ebon sluice]

I was talking about YDNMAN with the unstable code

[prime solar]

oh you want new fanfic ideas, here you go

[willow zephyr]

No, no. I meant that your message is idea for fanfic (I thought so)

[pearl bluff]

That's what I was talking about too

[ebon sluice]

the selfdefense.py bit was in comparison to Evil's behavior in Binary Bonds

[prime solar]

[pearl bluff]

The only difference is that Evil didn't ||forget anything||

The ||corruption|| was really just like her in ||cold storage until her chunk was loaded in by Neuro||

[willow zephyr]

Actually, I just noticed another funny little thing: for almost each comment on Neuro works there's a reply from author. So, actual number of comments can be divided by two

[pearl bluff]

That too

[willow zephyr]

Like, on every work it is so

[pearl bluff]

It is mostly out of politeness and appreciation tho

I mean, if someone took the time to read your work

[prime solar]

oh gosh what I never realized that that's.... wow

[pearl bluff]

Acknowledging that you read it also makes THEM hapoy

Happy

[sly flower]

I reply to comments like I comment on fics. If I have something to say, I say something. Honestly I appreciate every comment

[prime solar]

I wish the comment count didn't count author comments so it would be more accurate

[ebon sluice]

wait so despite being in different continuities the two fics are connected???

[prime solar]

for sure, I make sure to respond to every comment, I'm really happy to

[sly flower]

True.

[pearl bluff]

Not at all, mb I think that's testament to how bad I am at explaining things SOB

[prime solar]

This makes me feel things that Perfect Paradise made me feel

[pearl bluff]

^^

[prime solar]

ao3 keeps track of the count of comment threads too, so it could even just count those

[willow zephyr]

Well, that is true, and I can't say that I don't appreciate it myself, but... I'm just surprised that literally on EVERY comment under EVERY work.

[prime solar]

list them instead of every comment

[pearl bluff]

Honestly YDNMAN was a more consistent plot than BB, now that I think about it

I like and hate BB a lot for how much freedom it gives me

[prime solar]

Binary Bonds is like, one of those stories that has a throughline need for the MC that carries you along but the journey can be about like anything in the world

That's how I see it anyways

[pearl bluff]

I used to reply to every comment

Now and days I'm way too guilty of sounding shallow

[prime solar]

||Neuro has the debt and needs money to help Vedal who she loves. She's new to the world without him and with her innocence and people she meets|| it leads her to all sorts of things,, really whatever the world and plot demands.

[pearl bluff]

I don't want to sound like I reply for the sake of replying.

[prime solar]

I like to comment on their comment. Unless they said basically nothing then I'll still thank them for reading and commenting, because they didn't have to and most people don't comment at all so I do really appreciate it

[willow zephyr]

Yeah, that's the thing. Like, I get the idea of author's replies, but when I see comment about literally nothing and just as hollow reply... It feels wierd, like some politeness for sake of politeness

[prime solar]

Thinking about it now, Neuro in BB is like the perfect protagonist for that kind of story.

[pearl bluff]

Yeah!

Okay imma spoil a bit but

For BB ||You do know that Neuro was actually Vedal right : 💀||

[ebon sluice]

Meanwhile ||Evil is the somewhat more street-smart one who shows up in case Neuro herself is in danger, taking over to get her out of bad situations without sacrificing her memories||

[pearl bluff]

This whole ||bad vibe thing Neuro is going through is actually going to be the connector for future characters, which I'll spoil now is Filian and Anny||

||And the latest chapter is the end of the prologue too so these 8 chapters were just introductory||

[pearl bluff]

||whoops.||

[rose portal]

Woah what's with all the censoring. I'm scared.

[prime solar]

Based on the ending I kind of sort of guessed that but like, I don't understand why or how and atm I'm not a fan of that personally, I'll have to wait and see

[prime solar]

discussing fanfics that we don't want to spoil for anybody scrolling

[ebon sluice]

||wait so was I wrong or no||

[rose portal]

Ok. I will evacuate temporarily then.

[pearl bluff]

||Posted a latest chapter for Binary Bonds||

[prime solar]

oh you're planning on writing again?

[pearl bluff]

||Things are a little more confusing but, HOPEFULLY my build up pays off well||

[rose portal]

??

[pearl bluff]

Yeah exactly

Tbh it killed me to the point I kind of stopped replying to comments and I feel guilty

I will reply in time after I think of a reply

[willow zephyr]

Don't mind me, just wanted to joke about CENSORED, but couldn't find right image

[rose portal]

Ohhh I get you. Also played Lobotomy corp haha.

[willow zephyr]

OOOOOOH

[rose portal]

Took it a sec to click.

[prime solar]

It's okay take your time I often don't reply right away either to comments

[willow zephyr]

I'm happy

[rose portal]

I actually just downloaded Library or Ruina.

[willow zephyr]

I'm genuinely is

[rose portal]

Of*

[willow zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-anime-meme-anime-react-anime-reaction-arakawa-gif-8258439823509290590

[rose portal]

Haha.

[prime solar]

you'll get the embed perms role soon

[willow zephyr]

Ah, yeah. Stupid role

[sly flower]

Nice

[willow zephyr]

Wait, you too?!

[rose portal]

It was the only one of the 3 I hadn't played yet.

[rose portal]

I think you'd find that our kind are hidden everywhere hehe.

[willow zephyr]

Sleeping agents, huh?

[rose portal]

Mhm.

[willow zephyr]

[prime solar]

oh ok, I see!

[pearl bluff]

For BB: ||Okay just gonna say rn that my plans for Binary Bonds are huge, and ACTUALLY I'll be posting the next chap in approximately tomorrow or the day after tomorrow. ||

||I have a bunch of goofy ingredients and hopefully the meal tastes good, if not, I will seppuku myself. Goodbye.||

Btw, what's lobotomy corp?

[rose portal]

A rabbit hole.

[willow zephyr]

Oh, it's... A beatuful tale

Yet extremely violent

[prime solar]

I'll read anything you post!

[willow zephyr]

And hard

[prime solar]

Video game. Pretty neat

[pearl bluff]

At this point I'm too terrified to ask, but tell me this tale anyways

[willow zephyr]

Like, as hell

[prime solar]

I haven't played it, saw some of it though. Neuro and Evil covered a song from it

[pearl bluff]

From Undertale to Touhou

How bad is it

[willow zephyr]

Uh...

[rose portal]

It's... Weaker than the two.

[willow zephyr]

It's managment game

[pearl bluff]

D e a r g o d

[willow zephyr]

With bosses

[pearl bluff]

So it's like cooking games where

[sly flower]

Korean SCP simulator

[pearl bluff]

You keep track of ten trillion things?

[willow zephyr]

Yep

[sly flower]

Exactly

[pearl bluff]

THOSE ARE MY WORST ONES

[rose portal]

It's not that stressful. Your entire facility will die a bunch that's it.

[prime solar]

There's an AI girl as a main character

[pearl bluff]

I COULDN'T EVEN BEAT FNAF CUSTOM NIGHT

[rose portal]

It's part of a trilogy.

[pearl bluff]

How come i have never heard of this

I should search it up sounds cool as hell

[pearl bluff]

Well hopefully not by obligation, sadge

[rose portal]

The order to play is Lobotomy Corp > Library of Ruina > Limbus Company. Though Limbus Company is kinda skeptical.

[pearl bluff]

But much appreciated

[rose portal]

Library of Ruina is a prologue, Limbus is something of an Epilogue. So to speak.

[willow zephyr]

So, short summary: you are manager of energy facility. It extract energy from nightmarish monsters. You can't kill them. Just work

[willow zephyr]

NO!

[rose portal]

Go on then haha.

[willow zephyr]

LoR is sequel to LC

[prime solar]

I want to support you and I really like your writing, your characterizaion is so consistently great

[rose portal]

LoR is at the end of everything and yet the start of everything. Change my mind.

[willow zephyr]

LoR is not Prologue, it's directly after LC

And then Limbus

[pearl bluff]

Jesus christ even the names are cool as hell

I dont know if it's just me

But I am a sucker for cool names

I'm not sure why

[rose portal]

Well I'll find out in a bit when I play it. Am just randomly parroting what I've seen in Limbus haha.

[pearl bluff]

The Limbus 2000, a favorite in the early days of Quidditch

[willow zephyr]

But be aware that this is dystopia. Like, real one. Also, plot may or may not give you existential crysis or/and inspiration to change the world for better

[rose portal]

Very dark dystopia hehe.

Wait that explains so much from Askonite-

[willow zephyr]

?

Oh, I think I understand what you mean

[prime solar]

It's really cool how like everybody is online at once right now

[willow zephyr]

This is projectmoon mention

This is meme for a reason

[sly flower]

Why is everything not fanfiction related I enjoy always so dark?

[rose portal]

Well you were the one who said "everything"...

[prime solar]

It's funny I'm the opposite, I like darker angstier emotional fanfiction, but I'm not very into that elsewhere most of the time

[willow zephyr]

Because only in darkest days you see the brightest Light

[pearl bluff]

^^

I actually enjoy reading uh

Dead Dove works

But I do not feel good writing them

[prime solar]

I'm having to google what this means and it has not told me as of yet

[sly flower]

What does dead dove mean exactly? Like, I know it’s sad and with death but…

[pearl bluff]

Dead Dove: Do Not Eat tag

[pearl bluff]

Well a dead dove is

a 'beyond fucked up' tag

Where it is warninf yiu that

If you hate fucked up shit, dont read it

Hence, dead dove, do not eat

[prime solar]

yeah I'm kinda getting that impression from this wiki description

Maybe I should add that to one specific chapter I plan for Broken Code, I was gonna put some warnings on it

[pearl bluff]

Just be aware thet DDDNE tag is

Not to be taken really lightly

[willow zephyr]

Ah, you'll like L Corp very much... (If not break under first days)

[prime solar]

ok I won't use it lol

[pearl bluff]

DDDNE tag is okay uh

Lemme describe one I read. Ill spoiler it for those who dont wanna read it

[prime solar]

I believe I've read some stuff that it would apply to though and I kind of regret it

I have limits

[pearl bluff]

||A fanfic where a serial killer breaks into pregnant womens house at night, gives them an impromptu c section and eats their babies||

I think that's a worthy DDDNE, and it can only get worse from there

[prime solar]

ok yeah I don't think I'm using that tag

I'd rather never have to tbh

[pearl bluff]

Sounds amazing

But

You have to sell it to me

What exactly makes the Korean SCP so good

What do I expect there

[prime solar]

Should I share the Lobotomy Corperation experience video

[pearl bluff]

I need to know

[pearl bluff]

Is it spoilers

[willow zephyr]

Kinda

[pearl bluff]

Pretty much

[willow zephyr]

I'll try to explain

[prime solar]

idk lol I haven't played the game, I just watched that and a good chunk of a full story compilation

[pearl bluff]

Nah just

Sell it to me as best as you can

Give me something that'd hook me

[prime solar]

I read about a third of a long story that this would be on once and i regret it. I was expecting some "awful thing happens and we watch a heartwarming recovery story" or somethiing but by a couple dozen thousand words in I just skipped through it to see if that ever happened and it never did. Just 60k words of depraved stuff.

[willow zephyr]

With slight spoilers?

[sly flower]

What the fuck?

[pearl bluff]

Tbh I have a weird take on spoilers

I think spoilers are definitely okay, in many cases because

I end up being more invested on the journey there

Sometimes I get spoiled and I'm like, 'WHOOPS, HE DIES HERE NOW. UH OH.'

"AH SHIT NO, ITS NOT HIM, ITS MY OTHER FAVORITE CHARACTER, NOOOO*

I get those moments a lot and it's pretty fun

Anyways back to topic

Why not

Spoil me as long as it's not too important

[pearl bluff]

Is that askonite swearing I hear?

[prime solar]

yeah it was just a kidnapping + torture story that was extremely graphic, realistic and horrible. That's it. Idk why someone would even write that.

[pearl bluff]

What's the premise

[willow zephyr]

Well, okay, let me tell you this. ||Art style in game are pretty cartoonish. Why? Because manager have Cognition Filter, so that he doesn't gone insane from **sight **of Abnormatilies. And employees, which work with them, don't have such...||

Is this enough to interest you?

[prime solar]

Serial kidnapper kidnaps character, executes horrific, graphic and realistic tortures of many many kinds, tthe story even gives a couple 'Hope Spots' that turn out to be nothing, I skipped through it to see what happens and it just ends with the main victim dying anyways or whatever.

[pearl bluff]

||Okay so, from what I'm hearing here, he's coping.||

[willow zephyr]

Uh, I don't really understand what you mean by that

[prime solar]

tbh it would've been better if I didn't remember it existed that was the worst 20k or so words I've read in my life, not due to quality but due to content

[sly flower]

I am trying so hard to sum up the backstory without actually spoiling it…

[willow zephyr]

Yeah, me too

[pearl bluff]

Well from what I'm getting he's someone with an advantage

An advantage of having higher tolerance to insanity

By making his entire world into a ||cartoon||

Honestly im sold

That's the funniest alibi to their art style ever

[willow zephyr]

Well, you are manager of energy facility. You extract energy from nightmarish monster. Do you think such manager need some defence from cognition threats?

[pearl bluff]

But question is, do the Abnormalities actually look horrifying?

Even with the filter?

[pearl bluff]

Absolutely

[willow zephyr]

Well, not that much, but some are

[pearl bluff]

Awh shucks.

I was leaning more into hope thay

The abnormalities are so fucking horrifying that not even the filter can dull down the worst ones

[willow zephyr]

Nah, too much of a spoiler

[pearl bluff]

I'm so glad I didn't open that yet

[rose portal]

Actually Limbus goes into that a bit more.

Which was a bit of a spoiler for me honestly.

[willow zephyr]

Well, that's what you get for playing third game and then first

[rose portal]

Ok in my defence it was more like a quarter of the first, then some of the third, and then back to the first.

[pearl bluff]

Hi double, thanks for the comment!

And

[willow zephyr]

They are absolutely terrifying, but not by look. By what they are and what they do. ||Be not afraid, I shall guide thee||

[rose portal]

I always comment! Unless I don't. Which tends to mean I'm withholding my comment.

[pearl bluff]

||Im confused HOW PEOPLE STILL THINK IT'S EVIL||

||I thought I made it super obvious it was Vedal GRAUGHH||

[rose portal]

I mean you brought them up in the last chapter and they act similar.

Wait it-

W-

[pearl bluff]

||Yes. It is Vedal.||

[pearl bluff]

That

TBH THA SOUNDS SUPER COOL

Being terrified of their mechanics more than their character

[sly flower]

||||

[pearl bluff]

Reminds me of peanut from the scp foundation or shy guy

They're not scary design wise but how they operate

[rose portal]

It's very esoterical. Really hyper cthulian. If those are words.

[prime solar]

@sly flower @pearl bluff Shiro gave permission to share on the reddit!

[sly flower]

Woo!

[prime solar]

I'll go and do that

[pearl bluff]

GHEEESWAAAHHH BABBYYYY

[sly flower]

[rose portal]

For SCP you can think of it as equivalent except everything might be a cognito hazard.

[sly flower]

|| ~HELLO?~ ||

[pearl bluff]

|| just a question but did it really sound like Evil, I FIND THAT GENUINELY IMPOSSIBLE. or it's me beinf overtly critical with the way characters talk-||

[willow zephyr]

||CENSORED||

[rose portal]

Ok it was more of how it was really sorta... Unimaginable that it was who you say it was.

[pearl bluff]

||Pensive, noted.||

[prime solar]

I didn't think so personally. But I also was just really wanting to avoid jumping to conclusions and take whatever came. But yeah it's ||hard to imagine anyone other than Evil in that situation, at first.||

[pearl bluff]

||I'll rewrite it tomorrow to be more obvious ||

[rose portal]

Ohhh. Content!

[pearl bluff]

For chap 7 i purposely made it that way

[prime solar]

Less because of how you wrote it I think, but more because like, as a Neurofic reader it's the logical first conclusion and hard to know what else it could be

[pearl bluff]

For the latest one it was my hammer to settle the confusion

Considering that ||Vedal's mannerisms|| align with ||the previous chapter||

||Well I have no choice but to just disclose more on it in the next chap||

[prime solar]

I'm kinda just waiting to see what happens next because i still don't understand how or what is really going on, rather than making judgements now.

[rose portal]

In our defence. || They hadn't made much of an impression so far. So we aren't entirely certain if his mannerisms are so... aggressive? That feels right. ||

[willow zephyr]

Actually, about sleeping agent. I recall in MO (Magnum Opus) author making Neuro sing opening of LoR. Seems like at least half of Neuro-writers are into PM

[prime solar]

It's fun talking about our own stories with each other

Discussing each other's stories. Never gotten to do that with anyone before it's so cool

[pearl bluff]

||You're right, oh shit because he practically died two chaps in AHHAAHHAA||

[rose portal]

Aha... Ha...

[pearl bluff]

||Well I'll drop more obvious hints like rum I guess.||

||but also, whaddya mean by normality filter?||

[rose portal]

Funnily enough that's a bit of a Lobotomy Corp reference.

[pearl bluff]

Yeah! I talk about your guys stories a lot

[prime solar]

I mean, the ||last line of the chapter was pretty obvious. It was just before that I couldn't get because I didn't get how it was possible ||

[rose portal]

When the abnormal seems normal to the people around. But to the reader/player it isn't.

[pearl bluff]

I really like dissecting the ones I enjoy

[prime solar]

me too! I should discuss You Don't Need Me Anymore Neuro more

[pearl bluff]

Ah the, ||Fuck, the author is implying it but how the hell would it even work?|| situation

[pearl bluff]

I would love that tbh since I originally thought of it as my weakest work

Other than Data Packs which is just an experiment

[prime solar]

Yeah I really ||couldn't guess what was actually going on until the last line made it obvious.||

[pearl bluff]

I LOVE THAT STUFF

[prime solar]

It's been a while since I read it but, while it had some weak points, it's still my favourite of your works I think so far.

[pearl bluff]

Actually it really makes you second think yourself in story elements whenever games pull that out

It's so goooood

There was a time when a game's colors were suddenly unsaturated and the screen was tilted by a couple degrees

[rose portal]

Samee.

[willow zephyr]

I remember just starting reading "You don't need..." and just after first chapter I stopped. Because I can sense that it will leave me with emptiness and thinking about life. And I don't want it right now

[pearl bluff]

But when I tried readjusting it in the settings it literally said it was normal

I never noticed it until it suddenly changed back to normal

[willow zephyr]

(Which is compliment btw, not every story can make so, even if I had some technical questions)

[pearl bluff]

Awh thanks

Tbh I was unsatisfied with YDNMAN plot wise

But in emotional writing wise I think it was my most well written one LOL

[prime solar]

I think to me there's 3 reasons it's my favourite: 1. The setting. I've never seen a setting like that and because we follow it largely through the perspective of neuro, someone also experiencing it for the first time, it enhances the sense of wonder and awe at this new world and it's unique workings.
2. Your characterization of all the characters, and especially the unique aspect of Neuro's 'development' towards sentience in different phases. It makes the characters so much more engrossing and easy to get attached to.

3. It's the only story to truly tackle the clear relationship drama that's ripe with so much potential between Vedal and Anny's view on their 'children' being AIs and how they treat them, and Vedal's relationship with Evil being distant and her vying for his approval (in her own unique way).

[pearl bluff]

Welp, cracks knuckles.

[prime solar]

you're right, breaking down the things you enjoy is fun

[pearl bluff]

TBH I thought those two points put me in a REALLY really bad spot

Because I mean here were my reasonings

1. Neuro has no one else to talk to

Which makes it incredibly hard to write her consistently

Because of the fact I'm trying to have her character development go from A to B, having her self dialogue in her head all the time is tiring work since it has to align with her mannerisms

The only way I could deal with that is through time skips and or constant flashbacks

Otherwise it'd just feel boring having most of the chapter be Neuro going, ||'Oh I coded this tree! And I walked through this cool forest and saw this cool fox!||

[prime solar]

yeah it's an unenviable position you've ended up in. I don't blame you for finding it hard. Continuing that is rough
TBH though there's still a few possible solutions.

[pearl bluff]

As much as her robotic nature goes, we have to remember it relies on other people for more versatile moments

[pearl bluff]

Absolutely loved writing that one down

Honestly my characterizations took a while to get down pat but I was satisfied in being able to properly match them

JUST HATE HOW THEY'RE ||DEAD||

[prime solar]

I'm not sure if you had ideas already but I have 2 ideas that could maaaaybe help move forwards through those issues.

[pearl bluff]

whoops

Side eye side eye

[pearl bluff]

I actually do I have idea tbh, and

As much as I'd love to hear your ideas

Do you really wanna move through this story

Knowing what comes next?

If you want you can drop all your ideas and I can take inspiration at random

So I'll mix it in to whatever I'm cooking

[prime solar]

I mean like, it wasn't any specifics, it was just an idea of a way to keep going if you were stuck. If you're all good then that's great

[pearl bluff]

OH THEN DROP

Would love to hear it

Weird thing is that during my writing of YDNMAN, I actually do not know anyone outside of the four

Camila, Filian, Anny, and etc.

[willow zephyr]

||Only shame that it follows coolness rule and ignore logic quite. Especially in "not decaying after decades" part. Like, even machines without maintenance will broke eventually, and I'm not even talking about infinite source of power in Neuro.|| (Yeah, and also this is the example of criticism I'm used to see - honest, maybe a bit biased, but benevolent even if rude)

[prime solar]

Okay so my thought process on the story is: there's 2 things you still have to work with, and ||that's switching between Neuro and flashbacks as she moves forwards (whatever it is she ends up doing in the setting)maybe having flashbacks related to what she comes across like you did before , and the fact that Evil isn't dead (or... not really. You could always find a way to make her stay alive and in the story, making it so Neuro isn't alone all the time. Not everyone is dead! ||

They're not complex ideas just possible things to help not be stuck in this corner

[pearl bluff]

||Neuro is actually in a digital world, mentioned so in the notes. We're seeing the digital landscape she lives in through the POV of the residents||

[willow zephyr]

||Well, that's still doesn't explain how servers it is on didn't rot, or from where energy appears, but that explains it a bit. Thanks, I as I said, I didn't read past 1 chapter yet||

[pearl bluff]

||The only thing left to really conclude is that Vedal managed to create a server that manages to support Neuro's server in real life||

||and also this is more of an emotion fic rather than a realistic one tbh, but good point and I've already planned an explanation for that||

[prime solar]

I like to ignore those kinds of things when it doesn't detract from the story. All stories take some suspension of disbelief so I'm usually not too bothered by stuff like that as long as the story itself is consistent

[pearl bluff]

||Actually, same ideas as mine, hell yeah!||

[prime solar]

In my opinion sometimes it's actually detrimental to try and explain things that are fictional that don't need to be explained

[pearl bluff]

||I was planning to have Neuro use the lessons she learned back before as a means to help her overcome problems at current||

[prime solar]

nice

[pearl bluff]

At the same time, it gives food for thought for the readers to ask later

And if it's deep enough you could possibly make OVA's or small side stories

Like idk, Perfect Paradise: But Not Sad

That would be smth shadrake would consume

[prime solar]

Explaining sci-fi things can be helpful in some places for sure. I just find in general it's easy to just end up shifting the audience's focus to something that may or may not make sense anyways

[prime solar]

wait what are you talking about

[willow zephyr]

Well, I don't say that there should be answer to everything and I myself close eyes on many things (same LobCorp's plot isn't without some little holes, but I still love it with my heart). But when first questions that come to mind doesn't have answers - it's a bit... not sad... I don't know english word for that, but you get the idea, right?

[pearl bluff]

Meant to reply to this message

[prime solar]

oh ok. Yeah there can be benefits to it for sure

[pearl bluff]

Tbh, answering questions outright at the beginning..

Snuffs out any possible mysteru

That's imo, spoonfeeding

[prime solar]

I think I get it. That kinda just depends on the reader, I guess. Different people will ask different things

[pearl bluff]

Sometimes you want to drag people around and have them question things

And you explain naturally as you go

Because people LIKE asking questions

[prime solar]

I have learned that you almost need questions that are unanswered to drive people's interest forwards in the story

...speaking of discussing stories we made... uh, did anybody read Chapter 3 of Broken Code? I'm pretty happy with how it's going.

...fishing for attention on the things you've made is not healthy.

[pearl bluff]

Haven't read it yet

Personally I only read works when I'm in the best mood to do it

[prime solar]

oh that makes sense

[pearl bluff]

Because idk it feels wasteful

Why eat if you're not hungry

Food doesn't take the best that way

Taste*

[willow zephyr]

Well, I don't say this is bad. I like asking questions, but there's that kind of questions that you can see wasn't thought about and can easily break whole story. Let me put it that way: Any story can be broken with right questions, answers to with will tear internal logic apart. But the thing is - how much do you need to search to found such questions? If such questions is easy to find - this is a bit I-still-do-not-have-right-word-for-that

[prime solar]

That's me with reading but I hibernate for 10 months then have a few weeks of obsessive eating

[willow zephyr]

I think I see you regularly in comment section. Or do you mean not fanfics?

[pearl bluff]

Well then let's get back to your original concern and break it down then

How important is answering that question outright?

Imo, not that much

Because of a couple keypoints

[willow zephyr]

Not much

I agree

[pearl bluff]

The first chapters premise was focus ENTIRELY on the process of a father letting go of his daughter

[willow zephyr]

I just lament about coolness rule

[pearl bluff]

A father who is already foreshadowed to die and is obviously lying to his daughter to maintain her innocence

[willow zephyr]

And that I don't like it

[pearl bluff]

My man

Shadrake is the boogeyman of neuro fics

He is EVERYWHERE

[willow zephyr]

Well, this is the thing I

[pearl bluff]

I mean

I AGREE

It's just that

I believe it depends on how BIG of a potential a story has

If it's starting out with something massive then YES, absolutely, questions MUST be answered

But my story is really just about

A d v e n t u r e and answering questions one by one

[willow zephyr]

Emotions, yeah

[pearl bluff]

And that too, yes

[willow zephyr]

(Well, that works too)

[pearl bluff]

Coolness rules APPLY to many large world works

But in small compacted zones like fanfics I think the coolness rule dies because

There is nothing for it to latch on

Fanfics aren't big

Aren't overtly detailed most of the time

One dimensional plot and simple

[willow zephyr]

Uh, well, no..? Not always at least

[pearl bluff]

That is until we see the stats including all small works

The successful ones just shove the small ones down

But there's a looooot of them down there.

Wait

Are you talking about exposition?

If so then yes that IS pretty much a must for a good chunk of works

[willow zephyr]

Also, I think either you or me mess up coolness rule a bit. Like, I mean by it deliberate ignoring logic or technical aspects in order to "do it cool"

[pearl bluff]

Expand on 'do it cool'

[willow zephyr]

I don't even know what is it, lol

[sly flower]

You mean rule of cool?

[willow zephyr]

Well, you know. The whole aware Neuro thing for example. There's no way she can be in next few years/decades at least. But we just say "fuck it!" and make her sentient. Or, you know, parrying bullets with edged weapon. In reality - even if you do so, kinetic energy will fuck with you anyway, but in fiction we pretend it will not

[willow zephyr]

Maybe..? I don't use term that often, so maybe it is

[pearl bluff]

Imo here's my take

Nvm the talk was about sentience

[willow zephyr]

Or megastructes many kilometers long, which will require such materials that's physically impossible

[pearl bluff]

Which goes against fantasy itself

[sly flower]

That is technically an example for suspension of disbelief. This technically isn’t a thing that can happen in real life, but writer and audience ignore it so the story can happen.

[pearl bluff]

^^

Wait askon

So is he talking about being realistic?

Is that what this is about

[willow zephyr]

Uuuuuuuuuuh...

I don't know how to explain it

[pearl bluff]

GOD DAMN IT

Anon, mind if i call you that

I loved this talk with all of y'all

[prime solar]

I meant fanfics

[pearl bluff]

BUT I WENT FROM 30% TO 3%

I'VE BEEN TALKING FOR TOO LONG

Gonna charge, see y'all goobers on the flipside

[willow zephyr]

Oh, sudden death

Okay, bye-bye

[pearl bluff]

Adios

[sly flower]

Basically it’s like magic in fantasy. You say: „magic exists in this story, It works like this, and that is not going to change“ and the audience goes „ok“

[prime solar]

@pearl bluff see you later! It was great!!!!

[prime solar]

Yeah as long as it is consistent in how it's shown we just accept it

[willow zephyr]

So, it's normal to do some assumptions (like there's some digital magic happening to make Neuro sentient) and some made-up things (like the same durasteel from Star Wars) and I don't mind some of it. But then there's too many of such - it becomes... Not right. I don't know how to phrase it more coherently

[sly flower]

You mean if stuff is just inconsistent?

Or if there is too much different stuff?

[willow zephyr]

Well, more of constant change of rules and/or not following previously established rules

[sly flower]

That is just bad writing.

[willow zephyr]

Yeah, but no

I mean, there's always questions that will bring us to breaking previous rules, or the rules themself same be paradoxical. But this is not the problem - the problems starts when those questions is easy to find. Or when for the sake of cool scene (like destroying planet) we assume/add too much.

For example - whole "Neuro/AI killing humans" thing. Like, how exactly? If it's not Skynet, which is connected to military. You know, AI will face all the same problems as humans do in attempts to kill each other: other side is resisting. And like that and so on. I don't mind some of assumption and unscientific magic (or technologies/materials), but then for coolness of moment there's too much of it - it makes me sad.

[sly flower]

Drones with guns.

[willow zephyr]

And where to produce them?

And how to power?

[sly flower]

Also the potential to shut of/ take over anything connected to the internet

[willow zephyr]

And why air defence don't do a crap?

[willow zephyr]

This will damage economy, yeah. Even if hacking entire internet is quite an achievement. But won't kill humans

[sly flower]

Also, skynet would (and does) run into the same problems

[prime solar]

The thing is that stuff is all details of world building and not every story needs to focus on them, especially shorter stories. They can actually ruin the flow or focus of a story if you try too hard to shove them in.

[sly flower]

Factory

[willow zephyr]

I agree. I'm just sad when all that story do is ignoring logic and questions. And rule of cool is road to it.

[prime solar]

There are definitely some stories that are bad like that. It's just often logical errors or writers not caring when that happens. It just has to be consstent, even if it doesn't explain it.

[willow zephyr]

And how to capture it? Especially when physical medium can't be moved to safety? And factory don't flooded with fools that can't just shut energy down manually?

[sly flower]

AI buys the factory with stolen crypto. Also, robots.

[willow zephyr]

AI can fuck up internet, potentially. But that's all

[willow zephyr]

There's just too much technical details that will bring it down. None can just buy a factory and start producing weapon without thousands of checks

And there is need to buy machine tools, personal can suspect something (yeah, when you suddenly start making war drones with some strange software

It require too much ignoring of technical aspect

[sly flower]

The AI pretends it’s a weapons manufacturer.

[willow zephyr]

And noone sign the contract?

[sly flower]

Listen, we can discuss this for a long time, but the thing is that some things just need to happen without proper explanation for some stories to happen.

[willow zephyr]

And noone ever try to find infomation to pressure "fool with a lot of money"?

[sly flower]

As if the AI can‘t fake one.

[willow zephyr]

Physical contract? Piece of paper with signs?

[sly flower]

How is this a „obvious question?“

[willow zephyr]

Well, it's not

Remember what I said earlier - question ALWAYS will be. But how much you have to dig to find them?

[sly flower]

Yes, because every shady dealer in the world signs their contracts in person.

[willow zephyr]

And who will trust shady dealer with military production?

Not mentioning that factory have to sell drones to not raise suspicious

[sly flower]

You have WAY too much faith in humans

[willow zephyr]

And so on and so on

[sly flower]

So? Just a way to create sleeper cells.

[willow zephyr]

Maybe. ||I like C, what else can I say?||

This could work, but require too much luck at all stages. That none will check, none will ask, none will even investigate sudden shady millioner appearance, both officially and not

And any - I repeat - ANY mistake from AI will be the last one

[sly flower]

Buddy, at this point you need to write another fic just to add this much backstory.

Also, let’s go with this: let’s say in terminator, Skynet is just discovered and destroyed before anything happens. Now, what is the story?

[willow zephyr]

And even IF we assume this all will work out - humans, you see, will resist. With weapons, nukes, EMI and whole power of collective intellegence of humanity

[willow zephyr]

Skynet is a bit different story because of two reasons: first - it was designied to be military, so have access to a lot of war robots; second - it somehow access nukes (which is, mind you, a bit impossible) and nuked everything.

[sly flower]

And the millitary gave an experimental AI just control over war robots without ANY supervision?

And nuke codes?

[willow zephyr]

Yep.

[sly flower]

The ones that need permission from the country leaders?

[willow zephyr]

This is dumb, but iirc this is the story

I close eyes on it because back when Terminator was aired most of the people didn't know much about how computer defences (the fuck do I know how to call in properly) work.

[sly flower]

So?

How does that make any difference?

[sly flower]

I would say this is the point where we went from obvious questions to arguing scemantics.

[willow zephyr]

Pretty much

[sly flower]

The point is, yes, things in stories can be unlikely. But that is the thing about suspension of disbelief. You don’t bore too much into these things because it ruins the story.

[willow zephyr]

Well, let me conclude my thoughts that way: if Skynet wins(almost impossible) - there's no story; if humanity wins - there's no story; only if none wins and there is shaky balance the story arise. But for such balance to happen... So much staff have to aling perfectly, that I can't believe it

[sly flower]

And I agree, AI would probably have a (hopefully) hard time taking over the world. But if the story needs it to, it is (in my opinion), ok to just say that it does. Unless it’s completely unbelievable.

Let’s say the AI has a high luck stat. (lol)

[willow zephyr]

It can be compared to writing about green Martians and then not finding other life with FTL drive. I just can't believe that across entire fucking universe (or even galaxy - whatever) there's exactly two planets so happen to have sentient life and in the same system. There technically is a chance, but it is so slum that chances that nuke codes are just LOSS is higher

[cloud linden]

You have unlocked new role

[willow zephyr]

THE BOT HAS SPOKEN

[sly flower]

That is a weird example.

[sly flower]

WHO?

[willow zephyr]

Well, I'm a space enthusiast, so it make sense for me

[sly flower]

Ok.

Honestly, I don‘t think this discussion is going anywhere

Suspension of disbelief is an important literary tool and not going to fall out of use any time soon.

[willow zephyr]

Again, I'm not saying it's bad or shouldn't be used. Just that there's sertain limit after which it turn unbelievable, then comical, then just sad

[sly flower]

I believe its moderation (for specific events) or consistency (for in-world rules) that make it good.

[willow zephyr]

Yeah, sounds... Sounds, I again don't have right word

[pearl bluff]

I am so fucking enjoying this

[prime solar]

It's essentially required for any story to exist

[pearl bluff]

Tbh the best way we can summarize this is

Anonum doesn't like compressed stories

He prefers something that establishes things at point A and remains constant till point Z.

[prime solar]

I just went out to play basketball came back and now I see this

[pearl bluff]

Askon's work is already LITERALLY set at point X

[prime solar]

Ye

[pearl bluff]

And Filian's journey to the HQ was her point Z

Well I mean I do get his point AND Askon's point

But this sounds a whole lot like nitty gritty picking

[prime solar]

Ye I agree

[willow zephyr]

I think we can agree on that

[pearl bluff]

The only thing I can agree on is

[sly flower]

Yes.

[pearl bluff]

To not apply this rule that much or at all

To compressed/short sorks

Works*

And i don't mean chapter wise, I mean word count wise

Because if a work at 100k words has the 'cool rule'

That is inexcusable and takes you out of the immersion, straight up

[prime solar]

[pearl bluff]

Everything just feels like hooey with random reasoning given to just plot armor the MC and have the plot progress

But short stories, at least certain types, are exempted due to lack of SPACE to fit in those details

Here's what someone I looked up to told me

'Short stories aren't meant to be wordy, they're meant to live past the word count.'

[willow zephyr]

Yeah, yeah! I don't like stories alike to those infamous isekais where plot armor is thicker that MC brain!

[pearl bluff]

I believe that short stories are really just imaginations playground, so yeah, that's that

[prime solar]

Yeah, if i was making a big epic with the Swarm story I wrote I'd go a bit more into how things are working, but that wasn't the point of my small action/horror story

[pearl bluff]

Absolutely, I despise those: 💀

[prime solar]

i like that

[prime solar]

Same

[pearl bluff]

Tbh I loved the little banter between you and askon though

It was hilariously entertaining

Also shad you play basketball???

[sly flower]

Honestly I was getting slightly worried to come off as a jerk…

[prime solar]

I like playing basketball it's fun and good exercise. I mostly only get to play by myself though, sometimes with other people

[sly flower]

Oof

[pearl bluff]

Not at all

I mean, we wouldn't know if you were or not

That's a burden on you alone

We're just spectators

🍿

[willow zephyr]

I would say it like that - there's two types of stories. Omaks/oneshots/sketch with is just image of something happening without eleven thousands pages before it that conclude to that; Or full stories, which goes from start till end with reasoning, internal rules, character development and so on.

[pearl bluff]

Pretty much summarizes it

[sly flower]

I prefer writing the first, because I like to finish more than one story per year.

[pearl bluff]

Arguably, a thousand page long story is a collection of multiple stories

All just interconnected in a universe

[willow zephyr]

Well, one story can contain dozens of little ones

[pearl bluff]

YEAHHHHH

SAME BRAINWAVES

[prime solar]

When I realized that that was a huge part of making effective longer stories it blew ny mind and made a world of difference

[pearl bluff]

I like to call those

Well it's commonly called arcs

And it can be applied to short stories too

Because arcs are just-

Okay here lemme dumb it down

A story is a sushi

[sly flower]

Cool, But still, I can’t write stuff that long. I just can’t.

[pearl bluff]

Long, extra long, short, whatever

It's cut into sections that split the different plot points of the storu

[pearl bluff]

Oho trust me, like 90% of people can't

Or well, can't write good stories that long

I can't even get 10k on paper in a day

AND proof read it

AND rewrite the bad stuff

AND connect everything properly and afd necessary information

Writing is a painful process to do properly

[sly flower]

How many hours do your days have?

[pearl bluff]

If we minus the chores

[prime solar]

It took me 3 months of regular work to finish a 20k story, my longest

[willow zephyr]

I still have ~60 Word(MS) pages of my original story just going into nowhere so I hide it : (

[pearl bluff]

Minus the school

Minus the cooking

Minus the homeworking

And lazying

Erm. Maybe an hour or two, and the rest is being tired

But usually when I get to those free times I'm usually too exhausted to write

[prime solar]

Oh what are you in school for if you don't mind me asking?

[pearl bluff]

So I end up doing nothing

[pearl bluff]

Arson, manslaughter, homicide

[sly flower]

Cool, me too. If I am lucky I get 1k done in that time.

[pearl bluff]

S e n d

RIGHT NOOOWWW

[prime solar]

Oh is school a codeword for prison

[sly flower]

Work. The reason I am constantly sick.

[willow zephyr]

Uh, it's on Russian. Are you sure about that?

[pearl bluff]

No, 'what are you in for' is just a phrase exclusively for prisons AHAHAHHAHA

[prime solar]

Yeah lol

[pearl bluff]

If you don't mind google translate butchering your work, sure

[willow zephyr]

Uh...

[prime solar]

Oh gosh work is making you constantly sick???

[willow zephyr]

Well, it is bad. I warned you

[pearl bluff]

You better stop going to work then

[prime solar]

@pearl bluff oh yeah how are you doing is your food poisoning gone?

[pearl bluff]

IT'S BETTER TO BE HOMELESS!!

[pearl bluff]

Much much better, but remnants of my nausea transferred to my writnf

[sly flower]

The kids have no Idea what hygiene is.

[pearl bluff]

🙏

[sly flower]

[pearl bluff]

Ah, casual kids.

[prime solar]

Oh that's good to hear

[pearl bluff]

Can't be that bad

[prime solar]

Oh.....

[pearl bluff]

Good to what now?

[willow zephyr]

Remember - you asked for it

[sly flower]

I hate you, river steak.

[prime solar]

I am on mobile while I rest from the exercise therefore I typo more and type slower

[pearl bluff]

I absolutely love that image ass knight

[prime solar]

I am glad the edit button exists

[pearl bluff]

The shame still lingers.

[sly flower]

Wannabe french

[pearl bluff]

Anyways, if I ever get burnt out from writing BB or YDNMAN I'm going to write the most horrible comedy fanfic of neuro I've ever made

And honestly I'm going to ask you guys for help too

This is going to be a collaboration

[sly flower]

Im in.

[pearl bluff]

It's called the 'Neuro-sama is incoherent and is fucking doing stupid cartoon stuff'

[sly flower]

And I call dips on Filian

[pearl bluff]

It's literally just a story where chapter by chapter Neuro has a goal and she goes through the worst possible solutions to get to said goal

Oh, Filian needs a new pair of VR headphones?

But she has no money?

No worries, hold an auction, sell her house, and buy her a fresh set afterwards

LMAO

[sly flower]

Filian has a stroke and gets hospitalized

Plot for next chapter has been found

[rose portal]

I'm missing context but did we really have to hospitalize yet another person?

[pearl bluff]

Neuro's solution to help solve her stroke is to find her a new brain from the Harrison Temple

[prime solar]

Nice

[pearl bluff]

Honestly there really should be a fanfic where Neuro and Evil are just really AI at heart and are stupid as hell

[sly flower]

But Evil stops her, because Evil is the only person who is actually sensible in this fic

[pearl bluff]

I wanna make that happen

[sly flower]

Or Vedal

[pearl bluff]

But then Neuro throws her some humble juice

And Evil now has to drink humble juice forever

[pearl bluff]

Vedal is more like the dad reading the newspaper sometimes as his kids just destroy the world type energy

[sly flower]

And then Neuro brings Filian the brain, but drops it in the hospital room

[pearl bluff]

Apparently filian didn't need one, since she was brainless all this time

[willow zephyr]

"There, take it!"

[prime solar]

You're on a roll

[pearl bluff]

Happy ever after, THE END

Askon we cooked the most banger thing ever

[sly flower]

Now, let’s do this for like, 50 chapters straight, and everyone will absolutely hate it.

Including us.

[pearl bluff]

I mean

It's just a shitpost

[sly flower]

But I am absolutely in.

[pearl bluff]

We don't have to update regularly or at all

We just make a nonsensical shitpost whenever we're burnt out

We like discuss the next chapter here and make the most egregious most god forsaken plotlines known to man

And then execute it with such prestige

[sly flower]

We will make Goethe spin in his grave so fast he resurrects.

[pearl bluff]

Don't tell me thi is going to be our first chapter

[sly flower]

Nah, let’s make it chapters 3+4

[willow zephyr]

3-4*

[pearl bluff]

Filian gets a stroke and Neuro sama heads to the Harrison Temple to retrieve the Harrison Brain, only to be blocked by Evil because giving Filian the Harrison brain will give her the Harrison Curse forever and Neuro throws some humble juice and gets the brain then drops it before reaching Filian

[sly flower]

Vedal needs to be the first Vic- person in need

[pearl bluff]

Ah, sounds wonderful

[willow zephyr]

I sended you this

[pearl bluff]

Let's devise a sinister plan to mess with Vedal's day

[sly flower]

What are you on about? 3+4 is perfectly fine.

[pearl bluff]

WHY DIDN'T YOU SEND IT HERE

[sly flower]

Mhmm…. Something with femboys socks.

[willow zephyr]

Chapter number -1. Not even 0. Perfect for shitpost

[pearl bluff]

GAH i wish we could.manipulate ao3 chapters

Doesn't let us customize chapter numbers

[sly flower]

That is actually true

[pearl bluff]

As much as I would've loved to put an x.5 whenever I'm giving notes or updates

[willow zephyr]

Because it 1) will be shitty translated 2) won't be continued

[pearl bluff]

DARN IT

Don't be sjy

Shy

YOUR WORKS ARE A GORGEOUS MEAL TO BE SHARED

[willow zephyr]

I'm not

[pearl bluff]

Here's some potential ideas

[willow zephyr]

Bruh, you didn't even saw any of my works

[pearl bluff]

Vedal is poor now and Neuro suggest that they get into digital marketing

Vedal says this is a great idea

So neuro markets his femboy socks online

[willow zephyr]

Uh, it's not Neuro-related even

[pearl bluff]

Shadrake shared an old fanfic of dragon ball z

We're not really strict or judgemental here

We support and critique works

And yknow just DO WHAT WE WANT

We don't care, our opinions don't really matter either

[willow zephyr]

Oh, I though your idea is about continuing my frozen work

[sly flower]

The femboys socks are surprisingly a huge hit, which causes Neuro to invest in more femboy socks

[pearl bluff]

Vedal then becomes the hit sensation of women's magazine

Problem is, Evil doesn't like this at all

Because she's sensible, she wants to rid the world of all the femboy socks so Vedal's fame disappears

And Neuro has to stop her!

[pearl bluff]

Depends,

[sly flower]

She calls Anny, and Anny just laughs 3 paragraphs about Vedal being a femboy fashion model

[pearl bluff]

Truly a great mother

[sly flower]

Before agreeing to help because she owns thighhighs too.

[pearl bluff]

Where in god's name is this chapter going AHHAHAHAA

So now it's a battle of Evil vs Thigh highs and Femboy socks

How in heavens name is this going to work

[sly flower]

Then Anny points out that Neuro and Evil are also wearing thighhighs, and she refuses to redo their outfits - again

Me and Phobi are making plans for a shitpost

Also I argued with a Russian, I think

[pearl bluff]

I THOUGHT THE ENTIRE POINT WAS STOPPING EVIL FROM DEMOLISHING FEMBOY SOCKS

[willow zephyr]

Arguing. Agreement. Discussion. Planing shitpost. Convincing me to share old work

[pearl bluff]

We're tackling racism now in the form of leg wear?

This is hysterical

[prime solar]

A lot

[sly flower]

Aren’t thighhighs femboy socks worn by women?

[pearl bluff]

Honestly i think this is the most active this thread had been

Thanks to Anon

[prime solar]

Name your chapter that

[sly flower]

Will do

[prime solar]

See you later!

[pearl bluff]

I'm a scientist jesse

Women dont exist!

[willow zephyr]

Bye

[pearl bluff]

SEE YA ANOFAM

[sly flower]

Bye!

[pearl bluff]

Okay askon si

I think each chap should just be a little short

We should have a main plot/goal they have to accomplish

The STUPIDEST journey there

And we're done