Neuro Fanfics Discussion! [+All stories are at the pinned link!]

[prime solar]

Teach me your ways wise Jedi

[pearl bluff]

ANYWAYS

[prime solar]

(I don't watch star wars)

[pearl bluff]

CHOOSE SHAD

I TOLD YOU TO CHOOSE

[sly flower]

Actually, I do that too.

[prime solar]

oh either is fine, negative I guess, please tell me how to be better at the words

[pearl bluff]

Alright hold on lemme reread a bit to get my traction going

[sly flower]

I ask myself. „What would I do in the place of the character?“

[pearl bluff]

YEAH EXACTLY

Tbh that's how I get my movements down pat

I often just imagine what I'd do in their place

So if they're nervous I often see them or myself tapping my fingers or feet

Or looking away profusely because I don't wanna make eye contact

Stuff like that

Makes everything feel more realistic and immersive

[prime solar]

I have trouble with differentiating them from me in that. Some things might be the same, but other people aren't going to talk and act exactly like I am.

Particularily in dialogue, but also other things

[sly flower]

For me, it’s more about big decisions, but yeah.

[prime solar]

I tried really hard in this fic to do better at that.

[pearl bluff]

Tbh I guess start small

Here's a tip

Whenever a character is feeling a major feeling

Happiness, sadness, anger

Try and express those feelings through movements instead of words

Sooner or later you develop a habit of showing it rather than telling it

If you're wondering what movements they'd do, that's when you self insert yourself into that scenario. Often helps me out

[sly flower]

I always keep a small character bio in the back of my head. Helps giving the actions context.

[prime solar]

I guess speech is the biggest thing to me. How do I make them talk as themselves? I only know how to talk as me.
I like to go over my text again and try to hear their voice saying it in my head to hopefully see if it sounds natural or not

I think I'm getting better at it, but still have so far to go and am not satisfied yet

[pearl bluff]

Alright imma get started, for the record when I say FFM it's Free From Humanity since typing it all out is a hassle

[prime solar]

I was honestly pretty happy with some of the dialogue I wrote for Filian

[pearl bluff]

For the negatives, I don't have much

[sly flower]

I usually prepare by watching one or two streams of the character, and try to match the energy.

[pearl bluff]

I'm not saying that it's free from flaws

But rather it's free from flaws that DEDUCT from the story

See, Shad, your writing is great enough to the point that your flaws don't take away from the story, as of rn it's just a huge alleyway to improvement

There's places that could use improvements, such as dialogue in particularly paragraph heavy moments

Having just a moment of breather for the audience to process one paragraph by having a small line of dialogue, will help prevent overloading

Since by the time they finish that one line of dialogue they have a clearer mind to read the second paragraph and so on

Mind you this is just for paragraph heavy plot moments, an example being the staty

Start*

And it's best to understand you don't have to overdo it to

If you feel like there's too many paragraphs, a line or two of internal dialogue or dialogue in general will help prevent the overloading

[sly flower]

Alternativ you can have a short description of some movement, or something.

[pearl bluff]

It keeps things fresh and not too overwhelming

[pearl bluff]

^^ That too

Next criticism is really just

Show vs Tell

In high action paced writing like this, tell is VERY commonly used

Because you don't want people going

'the character felt WHAT when he WHAT?'

If you show too much during high speed moments it'd just confuse people

So your way of writing, (sayin things directly) is good for that speed

But it'd be a whole lot better if certain descriptions be changed to just be more impactdul

But that's a concept that's harder to execute

But as it is rn, that's just a goal for improvement rather than a mudt

Must

It's still really good rn no doubt

Anyways that's all for my negatives

OH one last thing

Since you pointed out the anny cat ears thinf

Im gonna say

'humannities'

Found one typo

That's my revenge, fool

[prime solar]

LOL

[pearl bluff]

Anyways for the positives

[prime solar]

I'll go find and fix that

You really know your stuff, wow

[pearl bluff]

YOUR WRITING IS VERY VERY CONSISTENT

In fact you've pretty much upheld my previous criticisms

Being rest periods

When Filian was having a mental crisis before the roof top scene

It was a great breather to process the chaos which was the beginning of the story

And I found her putting on her streamer persona as a coping mechanism so darn melancholic

From someone who obviously knows they're going to die

It was a really good moment, had to point that out

High impact beginning, slowed down, before the action starts again, good shit Shad!

[sly flower]

Well, I just got done eating dinner. I am completely back now.

[pearl bluff]

Continuing on, Camila joining the mix was unexpected but very much welcomed. It served to mark the end of the beginning and onto the next portion of the story

Which, probably was unintentional but was a really good decision pacing wise

Can't describe it enough because

WE WENT FROM:
Fuck, the problem is killer robot drones!

To:
Fuck, my friends have BECOME killer robot drones!

Which sets up the build up chase (absolutely amazingly choreographed and I love how you used Filian's character attributes 'tail' to add to the plot)

Many people don't use character design traits much and I'm sad about tuat

So this was awesome

[pearl bluff]

Hope you had a good dinner

Also I'm not sure if it's intentional

[sly flower]

Again, I will not live this down that Neuro uses Eggman‘s robotociser to turn her friends into Robians.

[pearl bluff]

But it's the fact Camila sounds like Neuro

Which if it was intentional, is an amazing form of foreshadowing LMFAO

It's technically your way of indirectly saying

'Camila is dead.'

[sly flower]

That was extremely sick, the feeling of dread was so potent there

[pearl bluff]

Pretty much

It was a pretty wild chase as well with a really good closing

[prime solar]

My intention was to kind of try and mix Neuro & the character if possible to an extent.

[pearl bluff]

That one liner from Camila before the first half ended was so sick ngl

Straight out of an actual action movie LMAO

[pearl bluff]

Sadly I couldn't see much of Camila nor Anny

Neuro's oversimplification pretty much overpowered the other traits

[prime solar]

I probably should've gone over it a bit more but yeah it worked fine regardless

[pearl bluff]

Also mb, 'humannity'

Not 'humannities'

LOL

[sly flower]

Honestly I thought it basically was Neuro pretending to be them, most of the time

[pearl bluff]

Also your dialogue writing for Neuro is spot on

Small, coherent and simple sentences

In my opinion I think it wouldn't hurt to add a touch of expression there such as an exclamation mark and etc.

[sly flower]

Plus side, now I have a guideline for writing „simple“ Neuro.

[pearl bluff]

Since we need to remember that Neuro is in the very least a LITTLE expressive

[pearl bluff]

I don't think so

I'd like to argue that each of the character's OS systems are stemmed from Neuro's base sentience code

Which ends up making them sound like her, unless she finds a way to train them to act like themselves

[prime solar]

[pearl bluff]

Now I don't have much to say about the Vedal part other than

It was a little weird

I don't know if it was me but wtf did Filian get hit with

[prime solar]

I didn't elaborate enough there

It was like a brief moment then done

[pearl bluff]

I just saw clang and Vedal, (who is never described so he was like a shadow in my head)

[pearl bluff]

YEAH EXACTLY

Felt rushed and incomplete

[prime solar]

This is the problem with writing something, proofreading it, then immedaitely uploading without taking time to come back to it later

[pearl bluff]

And second to last is Neuro's reaction to Filian's 'betrayal'

[prime solar]

I was just really excited and happy with it so I rushed it to upload lol

[pearl bluff]

I wanna hear your guys thoughts

[sly flower]

Also, mighty convenient that Neuro moved her entire base of operations into Filian‘s home city.

[pearl bluff]

But imo I think Neuro would be condescendinf rather than hurt in times like those

I think she would be like

[prime solar]

..... don't mention plotholes that don't detract from the story

didn't think of that lol

[pearl bluff]

'Awh, nice try, Filian! But we're done playing games, and you've had a nice run. Thanks for playing!'

That kind of stuff

Because Neuro feels like someone condescending in positions of power but ofc this is just an opinion

[prime solar]

I suppose so. I guess it was the context of she actually believed Filian at first. But you're right what you say sounds good too

[sly flower]

Eh, I don’t think so. Neuro genuinely trusted Filian in that moment, so she would feel hurt instead of „Ha! I predicted you!“

[prime solar]

I don't play into Neuro's snarky and egotistical nature often enough

[prime solar]

but yeah that was my thought process

[pearl bluff]

Tbh Neuro predicting that would be in character too but tbh taking advantage of her childlike innocence is way better

Since in FFM Neuro is technically someone playing SIMS

She doesn't care, she just wants everything her way.

I guess I'm just really into mentally dominant Neuro, because I can only see her being emotional with Vedal most of the time

In streams whenever she 'cries' it's for shallow reasons and often times she bounces back from it very easily

So I took it as moreso emotional manipulation

Rather than actual hurt

[prime solar]

Your interpretation makes sense. I just often think of Neuro as more genuine than that, but tbh I'm not sure why

[pearl bluff]

And last but not least, Filian's death was well written

Liked the claustrophobic feel of it

That's all

I loved the code stuff at the end too Btw!

It really sets into perspective what the hell the end result is

[sly flower]

I don’t think of Neuro as child-like, I think of her as an AI child. She is (in reality) basically a toddler with an impressive vocabulary.

[prime solar]

It's interesting how our different interpretations of Neuro inform what we each write so much

[pearl bluff]

I agree with that, but I think of it this way

Neuro is childish, but not impulsive

I think she still takes time to process information properly

But often times just has a knack for having emotional biases

She's still an AI with a program with a set script of code anyways

SO YEAH THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY

Good shit Shad, good shit.

[sly flower]

This

[prime solar]

@pearl bluff Thank you so so so much, I've never had somebody say that much about something I've made before

[pearl bluff]

I often go essay mode for stuff I actually really really enjoyed

So take it as a love letter from me

[pearl bluff]

Me neither, well until Jerry came in, god bless him and his paragraohs

[prime solar]

Honestly I'm not really good at taking compliments, because I feel like there aren't adequate words to respond to them.

[pearl bluff]

But tbh I enjoy being that person for other writers

[prime solar]

I really appreciate it

and I kind of do it for people also lol

[pearl bluff]

No shot

You diligently read our works man

[sly flower]

That you do

[pearl bluff]

And add comments

And yknow ALWAYS UPBEAT AND SUPPORTIVE

[prime solar]

Rarely are the comments I leave on the fics chapters less than a paragraph

[prime solar]

I like to encourage people

[pearl bluff]

Don't take it as compliments, take it as moreso appreciation for your craft

[prime solar]

And I know how encouraging it can be just to receive comments

[sly flower]

I never know what to write…

[prime solar]

of appreciation

[pearl bluff]

You did something correct, and I'm merely just pointing it out

Keep cooking in that regard!

[pearl bluff]

NGL THAT'S TRUE AHAHAHAHA

[prime solar]

It's alright I just will get better at taking positive words from people.

[prime solar]

Thank you very much!

[pearl bluff]

First step in doing that is to see past the frosting

Compliments should have something substantial that tells you what you did right

So you can keep doing it

[prime solar]

you're like a pro reviwerer

[pearl bluff]

If we just focus on the fluff aspect of appreciating the compliments without understanding the basis of these complimenrs

[prime solar]

did you go to school for writing or something

[pearl bluff]

Then that's just

Attention fishing

[pearl bluff]

Hell no

Ive been a writer for what

[sly flower]

True

[prime solar]

true that is a good point

[pearl bluff]

Seven eight years now?

Not officially, haven't made a book

But I've been writing for a long long time now

[prime solar]

I just feel like you've been holding out on how well you actually know writing

[pearl bluff]

I don't wanna sound like a

[sly flower]

Please do, Phobi-senpai.

[prime solar]

I mean I started writing 11 years ago... I've just never been consistent. I'd get into writing for a fandom for a little bit, do a bunch, then stop until a year later I'm interested in something else

[pearl bluff]

I only go essay mode if it's necessary to convey my appreciation for smth

[pearl bluff]

ME TOO

I guess I'm just really into breaking down things

[pearl bluff]

Please be a nerd?

God damn it askon

[prime solar]

I love hearing people break down things they like and are knowledgable in!

[pearl bluff]

Well if it wasn't, it would be harder to understand

[prime solar]

So the fact somebody would do that for a work I made is incredible

[pearl bluff]

I like breaking things down into chunks people and myself can understand

[pearl bluff]

STAND PROUD, YOU COOKED

This is no offense to other works though

Ig it just depends on my mood too

[prime solar]

This story was basically my comfort zone. If there's a length & tone (and ending) of a story that I'm used to writing, it's this

[cloud linden]

You have unlocked new role

[prime solar]

You have unlocked new role

[pearl bluff]

Tbh

I actually have a lot to say about your fic too AnoFam

[sly flower]

This is the second time that happened…

[pearl bluff]

I realized I never got around to it

[prime solar]

Honestly that's something I've wanted to mention but I haven't, criticism.
I like to offer advice but I don't give criticism unless I see people ask for it like, in thier notes and stuff.

[pearl bluff]

Also Askon just to acknowledge you too, you do realize I've talked about your works really often the past few days right?

SMH

[prime solar]

So I haven't really said anything, but if you guys would like it I'll be happy to offer advice if I have it

[pearl bluff]

I've noticed that too

[sly flower]

Of course, I always appreciate criticism.

[pearl bluff]

Our community is way fluffy

We need a little bit of actual educational stuff

[prime solar]

I value criticism for improvement, but not everybody is comfrotable/wants it and I'd rather not push it on anybody. But if people are willing to hear it, I'll be happy to give it in addition to encouragement

Some of my biggest improvement came from people who pointed out the flaws in my writing

[pearl bluff]

I feel ya bud, but imo I think it's just best to not care too much about it

You give advice for the sake of help

Whether they like it or not is their discretion

Uh, sure

I'll give it a good reread since

Ive read it long ago

[sly flower]

Yes, please. I really want to improve my writing.

[pearl bluff]

And probably forgot minute details

But I'll browse through it and try to break it down for you

[prime solar]

okay I'll start doing criticisms too then

Please continue to critique my work also!

[pearl bluff]

Will do, I won't pull any punches

[prime solar]

I feel ready enough to take them

I want to get better. I wanna learn to write characters like you do.

[pearl bluff]

I actually

Really wish jerry was here

Because ngl I love his breakdowns

[prime solar]

ikr

[pearl bluff]

When I was writing Binary Bonds blud was the main reason I kept writing

[sly flower]

He does do it really good.

[pearl bluff]

I would post a chapter and diligently wait for his comment

[pearl bluff]

YEAH !

[prime solar]

we gotta get in touch with him, somebody get him a hotline to this thread

[pearl bluff]

People who write paragraphs about your work are those that really enjoyed it

So it's a major complimenr

[prime solar]

I saw he left kudos on FFH so he already saw it

[prime solar]

oh yeah for sure

[pearl bluff]

Yeah he did

[prime solar]

I'm certain he's had to have passed by the links, I keep putting it in the notes of every chapter. Maybe he has a reason for not joining

[sly flower]

Maybe no discord

[prime solar]

I guess I'll just ask next time I see a comment from him

[sly flower]

Im gonna go listen to music.

[prime solar]

have fun!

[prime solar]

oh yeah and I didn't even realize this was that good. Thanks XD

We all have very different timezones

I'm surprised I'm not the only one online here at this time of day since it's 4pm here

[sly flower]

It’s like 10pm for me

[prime solar]

wait you're 6 hours ahead? Last time it sounded like you said you were 11 hours ahead of me

that makes more sense then lol

[pearl bluff]

Imma

Like go to sleep too

[prime solar]

makes sense it's like midnight for you right

[pearl bluff]

yEp!

Anyways thanks y'all for listening

[prime solar]

that is late. It was great talking! Thanks again, have a good night!

[pearl bluff]

You too you too

See y'all askon, anofam

[sly flower]

Good night!

[true crest]

Just read perfect paradice it one go, it was great.

ngl the quote at the end of chapter 1 kinda spoiled the twist for me lmao

since i remember how that convo goes in the subathon

[sly flower]

Glad you enjoyed it

[prime solar]

Oh yeah when I saw that quote, I didn't know for sure exactly what was gonna happen/happened, but it got me super excited. I'm sure many people won't know or remember the context of it though and it'll be an even bigger surprise.
Was that quote the inspiration for the story? @sly flower

[true crest]

pretty sure it was no?

||the full convo was about neuro freezing anny so she wouldn't die iirc||

[prime solar]

Please spoiler text btw

Thanks!

And yeah that was part of the conversation, that one really got to me when I heard it

[sly flower]

Partly. Also, no. The conversation evolved into Neuro telling Anny that the secret to immortality was not breathing, before slightly panicking when Vedal told her that Anny not breathing was a bad thing.

[true crest]

Hmm

[prime solar]

I realized I have actually been quite hypomanic the last few days with all these amazing emotional stories and the incredibly fun time it's been meeting and talking with you all. Classic Bipolar Disorder No wonder I wrote so much this morning.

Speaking of that I'll probably fix up that Vedal scene tomorrow or eventually. Also I wanna write more in the morning.

Good night friends

[prime solar]

Good morning all

[prime solar]

So writing that story yesterday really made me realize the importance of having an idea of where I'm going while writing. I always need at least a vague idea of story beats I'm moving towards or else I get stuck/can't even start and get in flow.
But also in my experience if I plan details and specifics too much it becomes rigid and i also can't get in that flow.

[rose portal]

Ok... What do you plan to do with said information?

[prime solar]

Well I'm trying to write right now and am totally stuck, so i think I really need to just come up with a few main points in the story that it's moving towards instead of hitting my head against an unmoving wall trying to write
But i don't need to and shouldn't come up with lots of details, those actively come in the process of writing

It's just too bad I'm not very good at coming up with ideas usually

[rose portal]

Brain storming. You got time.

[prime solar]

Maybe I just need to take a break from all this trying so hard to write, I've just been really obsessed lately in all the excitement (also I have too much free time)

[rose portal]

Perhaps. Fanfics shouldn't be synonymous with work unless you're getting paid.

If it's not fun currently then no one will judge you for taking a break.

[prime solar]

Thanks.
I mean, it is fun, and I have the time, I just think I'm too obsessed with it at the point where I can't stop thinking about it and this group chat. Balance is important in life so I'm just weary of it getting out of control. And of crashing. That happens to me too.

[rose portal]

Here's the solution to everything in life. Ice cream > brain freeze.

Unless you're lactose.

Then you're hopeless.

[sly flower]

I can’t stress enough how important it is to have an idea of where you are going. Also, yeah, don’t think too hard about how to get there, beyond a „how could the story logically progress from this point to reach that point, without characters acting, well, out of character.“

Also good morning! I have returned from work.

[rose portal]

Weba.

[prime solar]

Welcome

[sly flower]

Today has been a productive day. One chapter finished and another almost there. All in all, +2000 words

[prime solar]

Whoa!!

Amazing, great job!

[sly flower]

And with this, I have no active stories running anymore.

[prime solar]

whoa wait really!? You finished them all?

[prime solar]

oh is Company property also done? It says it's incomplete on ao3

[pearl bluff]

Jesus everyone is working hard on their fics

I'm still in the god damn story board phase DAMN

I've been trying my best to map out the major parts of Binary Bonds

Because my way of writing is:
I summarize what are the really big parts, and then come up with ways to connect each one together

Because sometimes when you're free writing, you tend to either divulge too hard from where it's supposed to go, take too long or take too short.

This way I don't suddenly have to backtrack because what I wrote doesn't align with how it's supposed to continue

[pearl bluff]

DAMN IT ASKON

You're really determined on this

Congrats!

[pearl bluff]

Don't write for the sake of writing

Imo, fans appreciate waiting for a good chapter than receiving a particularly bad one

And it's better for you, because you end up NOT having to regret that half baked chapter that was mad

Made*

[prime solar]

I like your approach it sounds pretty good

Oh yeah for sure i don't want to upload halfbaked garbage

[pearl bluff]

Sometimes I'm personally so caught up on the addiction of seeing what people think of my writing

That I'm not writing for myself anymore, but for them

And seeking validation in writing makes it less authentic

[prime solar]

I just have been like, unreasonably obsessed with writing these few days, so even though I have no idea I realky wanna write

[pearl bluff]

Yep! Problem is it takes longer

It isn't, because it's probably because I'm trying to divide the chapters properly

[prime solar]

Hypomanic obsessive phase

[pearl bluff]

Hhhhhh im a perfectionist and it sucks so much

[prime solar]

I feel that with writing

I don't usualky wanna upload something until I'm fully satisfied with it

[pearl bluff]

In my opinion, I think listening to music on your free time when doing mundane things helps

Make ideas

Because when eating, washing dishes

Or doing mindless tasks

Your body does the work but your mind is free to be absorbed into the music of your choice

It's a perfect playground for ideas to take form

[pearl bluff]

Sounds great! Thanks for your quality control

And also trigger control on the post button

[prime solar]

I could see that.
I used to like to go for walks in the rain then sit on a park swing to ghink ideas

[pearl bluff]

Okay this is purely my opinion

But ideas without emotion is vastly inferior to ideas WITH emotionm

Having an idea is one thing

But loving an idea is a world far beyond

[prime solar]

I used to be very attention seeking with my content ever since I was like 8 using gamemaker and then later with youtube etc. It's more recent years I've learned it's best to write for myself. So even if no one else sees it I can still enjoy it

[pearl bluff]

You can think to yourself, 'Hey, Neuro doing X while X does X and her legs break sounds like a great idea!'

Then you get on your laptop and start writing then go

'...but for what reason does x happen, and why does x happen, and that..?'

Having emotion in your idea automatically:
Dictates the mood
The theme
The message
The feeling
The dialogue and the passion

You realize these feelings leak potently into your work, like a secret spice to a savory meal

And when your audience gobbles it up, that shit is mad good.

[pearl bluff]

ME TOO AUGHHHH

All my past works were FOR people

None of it was ever just something I like as a hobby, it was something I like because people gave me attention for it

[prime solar]

emotion definitely makes a difference! We differ in how we see writing I guess. I struggle to not look at "structure" constantly and things being "correct".

I love the emotions that come from writing but I don't usually feel that much when actually writing it myself. I think? I haven't paid a lot of attention

[pearl bluff]

Ah right forgot about that

You're a structure writer

[prime solar]

I definitely felt something while writing that Filian story from start to finish non-stop. But I feel more rereading it as a whole piece

[pearl bluff]

Makes sense, that's a common thing

In my opinion

Being structure based was kind of detrimental to me

Because I suddenly realized that everything I was doing was subpar

Or it was hindering my creativity

I never got anywhere, I kept rewriting three paragraphs over and over

Hhhhhh

[prime solar]

I did not have structured plans with that last oneshot, it just flowed, I felt it. So maybe I do know what you mean, now.

[pearl bluff]

That's definitely a start

[prime solar]

My longest story was an Ender lilies chapter story that was 20k words and it was planned out TOO much. I feel it's lacking because of that, even if I'm decently proud of it

[pearl bluff]

Because iirc, it is a study that emotions DO elevate a story MUCH much more

Mostly because, you're already in that perfect state of mind

[prime solar]

Well considering stories are meant to invoke emotion, I'd imagine it would help if they were made with emotion

[pearl bluff]

Ah right

^^ yep

[prime solar]

I think that's part of what helps write character. If you can feel what they're feeling that'd likely help I'd think

[pearl bluff]

Strangely enough, with all this emotion talk, I feel like I'm not that great at angst or fluff.

[pearl bluff]

Exactly

[prime solar]

I am guessing because i don't often experience this

ah ok

well see that may also make writing the extremes harder then, maybe

[pearl bluff]

Expand on that

Defend your point with your might

[prime solar]

It's just a guess but like, I can write angst because I'm mostly detached during the writing process from bad stuff that happens

[pearl bluff]

Also hey there AnoFam

[prime solar]

I don't know if maybe it's different for you?

I'm curious. I want to get more sides to this

[pearl bluff]

I can't write angst because of the fact I often don't feel angsty

LMFAO

I can write the feeing of sadness, longing and despair kind of well

But straight up dying ie

Or major injury

Is out of my realm

[prime solar]

Well I haven't experienced dying either so I'm not writing from experience

[pearl bluff]

I'm someone who needs to have felt it before I can accurately write it

ANOFAM WAS TYPING FOR THREE MINUTES THEN DIPPED

[prime solar]

that makes sense. TBH I don't assume I'm accurately writing death or major injury either. but if it invokes feeling and doesn't seem unnatural in the story, it's good

Sometimes things don't have to be 100% to reality in order to be good in a story I think

[pearl bluff]

BRO

The more the merrier imo

If the chats more lively im all in for it

[pearl bluff]

Heavens no, it's great on your end

[prime solar]

I find the diversity of personality types here interesting in addition to the writing type diversity

[pearl bluff]

It's just me being a perfectionist

Because if I don't feel emotion reading my own work

I often scratch it off

I want something I'm proud of, not just satisfied with, when writing works meant to invoke emotion

If it's action, okay fine, we can tolerate that

[prime solar]

Well as far as I'm concerned your work is far and away better than anything I make so I won't question your methods

[pearl bluff]

But since I'm so personally pouring my heart out into emotional works, it feels like an insult to myself for not conveying my feelings properly

[prime solar]

And this isn't a self-pity thing I'm actually happy with my stuff

[pearl bluff]

Not to brag, but I definitely agree, only on certain aspects

You have spice of your own

We all have something someone else doesn't

[prime solar]

You're just really good at it and I'm impressed

[pearl bluff]

Not only do you write more consistently

[prime solar]

Yeah I like to focus on this

[pearl bluff]

Your writing is actually well WELL done for how quick you write

[prime solar]

everyone can help everyone

[pearl bluff]

HONESTLY I RESPECT THAT

Sometimes the simplest formula can make the best results

[prime solar]

Oh thanks I mean, yesterday morning was an anomaly, that doesn't normally happen for me lol

[pearl bluff]

Stfu

'Evil AIs Don't Sing and Party of One wants to talk to you'

[prime solar]

You have a very assertive personality

there is interesting contrast in this chatroom

[pearl bluff]

If I'm not assertive no one's gonna take me seriously lmfao

I'm really vocal about my thoughts and I'm very open to hearing other's

LMFAI

[prime solar]

Those ones are more 'eh' in terms of quality to me honestly (well the first one was a whole half hour fine-tuning 600 words so it's good)

I didn't name names!

[pearl bluff]

Welcome to another episode of:

'Writers make banger works but have low self esteem about them.'

[prime solar]

The funny thing about that is whenever i think of my older works in my mind I think they must've been not very good

[pearl bluff]

It's so funny how one man's trash is one man's treasure is such a huge theme in the writing community

[prime solar]

But yesterday adn today I was reading some of my older stuff and was surprised by how good I found it

[pearl bluff]

I wish LMFAO

I look through my works and cringe at how poor the sentence structures are

[prime solar]

I was like "what the heck I thought this wasn't good why is it arguably better than much of my writing now"

[pearl bluff]

Can't relate, my writing has pretty much been a steady uphill and I'm proud about that

[prime solar]

Maybe I should clarify that I'm talking about old as in a few years ago and not 8 years ago

[pearl bluff]

Or tbh, chances are

My tastes changed and my writing is actually still good

[pearl bluff]

SAME THING

I consider old writings as a sort of history for myself ig

It's just really fun looking through them

[prime solar]

that's cool you can look back on it

I think I do that with my youtube videos

it's fun to look through the old stuff

So I realized later in the day yesterday that I was hypomanic and that is a source of my insane writing spree particularly yesterday. Then I started to crash. Hopefully I don't totally crash

[pearl bluff]

Ah yes

The classic:
'I CAN WRITE FOR FOREVERRRRR!'

Two works later you're dead inside and you don't wanna write anymore

[prime solar]

kinda true and relatable yea

But it's more like, insanely motivated and happy and OBSESSED
And then that high eventually swings low and I crash into depression and can't get started on anything I'm hoping to just, get to a reasonable level of emotion and interest

Talking with you guys has been some of the most fun I can remember having in so long

That is very cool by the way, being able to do that

That's cool to hear! I think there's a ton of merit in just, when you have a realized character, putting things in front of them and seeing what happens.

Because you know how they'd respond and things kind of just progress naturally

oh yeah I don't know if you saw my messages talking about my ordeal with that earlier

At first I was super hesitant to write Vedal or Anny or really anyone other than neuro/Evil for that reason. My first story I felt awkward writing it.
The way I've pretty much gotten over it is the realization that: I'm not writing real people, I'm writing fictional characters of my own that happen to be based off of real people

So as long as Neuro never reads my stories on stream I'm fine

I also just, don't write them in a setting based off IRL

[true crest]

thankfully the UK isn't real

[prime solar]

y'know what's funny
I didn't even consider that possibiility when I made this

oh well!

No one wrote NSFW so we good

[true crest]

worse than him reading the fics or better?

[prime solar]

yeah narratively there isn't anything NECESSARILY wrong with it, though I don't prefer it as a setting. Honestly, it actually feels more limiting

I like to use the concepts and character etc. but not setting, and be flexible with it all

because I'm writing my own characters based off them and not actually them

There's just so much cool stuff you can do with Neuro and the AI concept and Evil and stuff

..... took me a moment to get that

that's true even going off of 'IRL lore' it's very inconsistent what info we have anyways🚗

TWSTOLU is your first fanfic right?

oh okay, wow! 30k is a lot of words. I've never written something that long it's impressive

I'm still slowly working my way through all the Neuro stories and I haven't finished yours yet but I'm a few chapters in

Oh yeah I'll definitely read those when you post them too!

[sly flower]

Hey guys, how are you doing? I was in a meeting for the last two hours,

[prime solar]

Not bad, we talked about our writing processes and the idea of using IRL setting or not

[sly flower]

Oh yeah, I saw that.

So… remember that story idea I mentioned yesterday?

I went ahead with that. It’s a bit different, but the base content is the same and no one should get mortally wounded this time!

[prime solar]

Yay!!!

I look forwards to reading what you've written

Oh it's up already!!!

That's a great story summary wow

[prime solar]

That was so cute!!!
Is that your first time writing Evil too?

[sly flower]

Not my first time, but I write Evil only very rarely. Also I wanted to try a new direction with both Evil and Neuro.

[prime solar]

Oh ok! Well it's interesting and seems like a wholesome fluff will happen and I look forwards to it

[sly flower]

Because my last Evil was very much rooted in the „acts evil with a heart of gold“ and this time I played more into that „less loved sibling“ dynamic, as well as making my Neuro more overconfident and bratty than usual.

[prime solar]

Oh ok yeah I noticed that. But she still loves her sister which is really nice

[sly flower]

I mean, the real Neuro and Evil seem also locked in a cycle of loving each other and getting into arguments.

[prime solar]

Sounds like normal sibling behaviour

[sly flower]

Exactly!

The quintessential sibling dynamic.

[prime solar]

Yep just with slightly incoherent AI

[sly flower]

[prime solar]

[prime solar]

y'know I never shared this thread's existence in other parts of this server and I still haven't asked a mod to pin a link to the ao3 page. Maybe I'll do those things, could get more people reading or even involved if they didn't know about this.

[prime solar]

I just read that Filian/Neuro chapter from AnonymousJayster, it was actually so good
Very cute and was the interpretation of Neuro that leans hardest into her dialogue and behaviour as an AI of anything I've seen so far but it fit really well in that story

[sly flower]

Guess I will give it a shot tomorrow.

[prime solar]

Apparently there's still 10 Neuro fics I haven't finished reading. (Though like half of them are unfinished and haven't been updated in a long time). Still I wanna get caught up on them all.

[sly flower]

Just a heads up, I have never really written anything before starting to write those fics, so expect my earliest works to be a bit… you know?

[prime solar]

Oh yeah I actually read your first story a while ago! I think I didn't comment though... I should've.

It's amazing how much you've written in such a short time. What got you to decide to try and get into writing?

[sly flower]

I think it’s the lack of Neuro-fics at the time. There were three, none of which were longer than 4000 words, and so I thought „Even if it ends up being shit, people won’t care, cause there is no better alternative“

And after that I just… kept going?

[prime solar]

Oh wow. I mean, I guess you found you like writing then?

[sly flower]

I guess I overcame that barrier preventing me from writing my stories down.

[prime solar]

Ooooh I see. So you liked reading before but just could never get yourself to write?

[sly flower]

Yeah. Originally I actually didn‘t really like writing lol. But at this point, the story kind of just happens and I am there to write it down.

[prime solar]

Well I mean, I'd be very amazed and confused if you wrote tens of thousands of words by choice while not liking doing it at all

I wish I could write anywhere close to as much as you do

[sly flower]

Well, I guess I like how the loose story parts in my head solidify through my hands and become this weave of an actual coherent whole…

That sounds a bit too philosophical…

[prime solar]

No it makes sense!

It is very cool

[sly flower]

You know, in the beginning I used an actual notebook to write my stories on, but then I switched to my phone because I was spending too much time just typing it into my computer.

[prime solar]

Ooooh you don't have your computer when you write because you're on break?

Whoa you're writing stories on a phone!? That must take so long!!

[sly flower]

I actually got pretty fast at it. Definetly faster than I am on the PC.

[prime solar]

Wow that's amazing I am impressed

[sly flower]

I really need to go now, It’s 3 am for me…

[prime solar]

Oh jeez that's late yeah. Have a good sleep!

[sly flower]

Good night!

I will tell dream Neuro you said hi!

[prime solar]

Alright thanks

[ebon sluice]

And the occasional broken window pane

[prime solar]

I don't know/remember what this is referencing XD

[ebon sluice]

#livestream-chat message
This moment

[true crest]

evil neuro in any neuro centric fic:

https://tenor.com/view/waah-waa-sad-wah-waaah-gif-25875771

[prime solar]

Relegated to side character or not existing. even in fanfiction she can't escape her sister's shadow and the neglect

[prime solar]

oh my gosh wow thank you

[true crest]

I dont mind when shes relegated to side character they are neuro centered fics for a reason

[sly flower]

I have been writing fanfics for almost a year now.

[sly flower]

Evil when I kick her out of a story because she would inevitably break it:

[pearl bluff]

I just got an absolute kick in the ass inspiration

I realized that the main theme of Binary Bonds is literally bonding, relationship building and morality, I've decided to just make it more character driven than plot driven

I've decided that there's gonna be chapters purely dedicated to relationship building between Neuro and another charater

The plot will STILL exist yes, but I feel like that the main selling of point of Binary Bonds is the emotional weight attached to the plot, no?

[prime solar]

ayyy nice

[prime solar]

I feel like no matter what you write you've got great character in it and I look forwards to whatever you make regardless though I do generally believe that character>plot in terms of importance most of the time

[prime solar]

I mean yeah that makes sense, use the characters that are for that story. There's just (naturally) much less Evil-centered fics

[prime solar]

I did not realize it was that long wow

Have any of y'all ever used character maps/trees?

[sly flower]

What exactly do you mean?

[prime solar]

A character map(or things like it) are tools that help you define a character from their core beliefs, behaviours, mannerisms etc.
Basically it's a tool that can help with planning a fleshed out deep character

I've used character trees a couple times before (even for What It Means to Be Human) but I just found one that seems really good and I'm thinking of trying to fill it out for Broken Code

[sly flower]

I mean, I don’t write them down, but yes, I use them all the time.

[prime solar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sF0FBAR6yI&pp=ygUld2hhdCBpZiBjaGFyYWN0ZXIgc2hlZXRzIGFyZW4ndCBhd2Z1bA%3D%3D This one is what I'm gonna try to use. Great explanation on it by the maker.

[pearl bluff]

Thankers! And yes, I agree

I mean a plot makes up the characters

You can excuse a bad plot with great characters

But not a good plot with bad characters

Since it'd be so tedious to watch

[pearl bluff]

AH YES

I do but I never write it down super detailed

Just like basic bullet points of their beliefs and thinking processes

I feel like trying to shackle my character to what I was writing on the paper kind of unconsciously makes me less creative since im trying to

Focus on following the map

[prime solar]

makes sense!

[pearl bluff]

Anyways

After like two months, I've finally updated Binary Bonds

Now once you've read it, just be aware that I wrote all of this with a happy song blasting in my ears the entire time

So if it's like poorly emotionalized or smth

Blame the music LMAO

[prime solar]

no problem

What kind of music do you normally listen to when writing?

[pearl bluff]

It really depends on the mood of the chapter

[prime solar]

I've found lately if i try to listen to music I find it distracting and harder to think

[pearl bluff]

For this chapter, the happy music in question fitted super well with the chapter

Since it was meant to be melancholic rather than depressing

[pearl bluff]

I AGREE

I guess it really depends on whether the music is distracting or not

I usually don't listen to music while writing

[prime solar]

ooooooh that makes more sense

[pearl bluff]

Just whenever I'm doing work, so I can brainstorm ideas

[prime solar]

I misunderstood I think lol

that makes a lot of sense

[pearl bluff]

But if th music is not distracting then I set it on loop

YUP

[prime solar]

I find the time I get ideas the most is when I'm going to bed.
Which is a problem because if I focus on story ideas then it'll make it harder to sleep

[prime solar]

oh yeah when I was writing my Ender Lilies story I put a looped song on from the OST

[pearl bluff]

THAT'S ROUGH

[prime solar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b92kgcSP5Ks&pp=ygUWZW5kZXIgbGlsaWVzIG9zdCBOb3J0aA%3D%3D

But usually I listen to more intense music that doesn't fit well with writing lol

[pearl bluff]

YEAH I UNDERSTAND

Bevause the intense music fits my imagination

But it doesn't help me focus at all

It's like a clashing war of what I want to write vs what I'm trying to write

Both sides are way too Loud

[prime solar]

how often do you get concrete ideas

[pearl bluff]

Rarely

[prime solar]

because I'll be honest I'm not stuck due to lack of motivation i'm stuck due to lack of focus and ideas

[pearl bluff]

It's just that most of the times I have one idea I expand on in the course of a week or month

So I have like a baby bud

I then listen to music with the idea in my head

And just develop the story based on it

HOWEVER

Majority of the times my ideas are inspired by shows

At least the message, theme or concept

[prime solar]

How do you come up with story beats? Or does that just happen while writing

[pearl bluff]

Story beats?

[prime solar]

Like points in a story you're moving towards

I find it very helpful to have a vague idea of where I'm going and then everything going there comes naturally

[pearl bluff]

Hm

Okay so

For me it's like yours

It's genuinely just like uh, animating

In animation, you don't draw along the way

You have key frames that you, yes, build up to

In my opinion, vague ideas for these key frames won't just cut it

Because having a SOLID KEY IDEA in your chapter will help dictate stuff like foreshadowing

As well as mood build up

[prime solar]

true maybe it is more specific than vague idea

I mean it's a fine line because i don't want to start getitng too into specifics or I feel like I'm getting railroaded and things don't naturally progress as well and are less interesting.
But like when writing my last story at some point at least I had the idea of for example 'Filian gets caught and brought to neuro' and everything else was filling in the gap with interesting stuff

I was actually so in the zone and it was so fast I don't even remmeber the whole process and what i had planned for that lol

[pearl bluff]

Oh NONO

That's a base CONCEPT

What I'm talking about is the points leading up to your concept/idea

Well, nvm, same thing in a sense

But yeah I get what you mean and I'm on the same boat

But I find it so much easier for me if I understand each landmark I reach, I guess

[prime solar]

that makes sense it just feels like a balance to hit on how much in planned and how much is intuitive in the moment right

[pearl bluff]

So here's what I mean I guess

'Filains gets caught and brought to Neuro'

That's your MAIN concept

But the keyframes could be

How would Filian be introduced?

How would Camila be introduced?

[prime solar]

ok yeah that is a bit more specific

[pearl bluff]

And etc.

Yes

[prime solar]

I have a lot of those kinds of things for What It Means to Be Human planned out. My last story was one of the most spontaneous I've been so it's probably not even a good example

[pearl bluff]

I suppose, but still, both writing styles are still good

Im personally a free writer

Since it keeps our stories fresh and also entertaining for us

Nothing feels better than getting a banger plot twist mid writing

[prime solar]

But I'm actually struggling to move forwards with writing that. i wonder if it's because i'm too railroaded. Or if it's because it's something more outside my comfort zone to write.

[pearl bluff]

WIMTBH?

[prime solar]

oh yeah I love how when i'm in the flow of writing it's like I'm reading a new story AS IT'S MADE

[prime solar]

ye

[pearl bluff]

You're literally surprising YOURSELF

Which is funny

[prime solar]

ikr it's great, like "I don't know what's gonna happen next" and then it happens

Each sentence and dialogue

[pearl bluff]

Tbh

That's something I struggle with a lot too

I think I kind of understand the problem though

It's probably the expectations you have for consistency

Often times it's people being afraid to deviate from how their stories flow

[sly flower]

The best feeling as a writer for me.

[pearl bluff]

It could also be people's tastes changing

And it could also be simply just dread

Where as people continue to write they're afraid of messing up

[pearl bluff]

Absolutely amazing

[prime solar]

maybe this is it. Too much pressure on myself to make it "correct"

I feel so much freer if I just write a oneshot with a basic premise and no requirement to continue

[sly flower]

Yes

[pearl bluff]

YEP

Then in this case it's kind of like building with lego

Unless you have a particularly strong foundation, it's so much harder to keep it stable the higher you go

Because YOU KNOW you want this story to be bangr

You've already come this far

[prime solar]

trueeee

[pearl bluff]

And you don't want it to end up sour

All this effort

Y e p

[prime solar]

That's why I think it was better when i just wrote entire chapter stories before even uploading the first chapter

All the time in the world to just fine tune everything and even alter sections after the fact if needed

....but then I post nothing for months, or if I abandon the project, never

[pearl bluff]

Y e a h

Because often times people then begin to

E X P E C T

[prime solar]

yep

[pearl bluff]

Tbh it's really just much better not to force it

Forcinf yourself to write would just make a subpar work you'd be feelinf even worse with

[prime solar]

I want so badly to get out all the plans I made for this chapter story but it's so much work and pressure

[prime solar]

This is true

Which is why it's extra hard to write something more outside my comfort zone

[pearl bluff]

I get that feeling so badly

I mean everyone here has had that

[sly flower]

If I ever get stuck, I just write something else.

[pearl bluff]

I am so fucking sure we all have imagined how the end of our stories would go, or the intense parts or the emotional parts

Like straight up anime or tv show level quality in our head

LMFAO

[sly flower]

That is how it ALWAYS goes for me.

[pearl bluff]

A M E N

[prime solar]

it's like how do you establish things, and connect it all?
I avoided writing chapter stories for 7 years because of all this

[pearl bluff]

You mean Chekov's gun?

[prime solar]

"If I write, just write oneshots."

[prime solar]

no i mean literally just establishing any character or story element

[sly flower]

I think of major story beats, and write with them in mind

[pearl bluff]

First off is to not be embarrassed with establishing them in a simple manner LMAO

[prime solar]

The longer form content it is the more effort

[pearl bluff]

I think people are too caught up with trying not to look cliche to the point their integration is a mathematical equation now

Like look, we don't really care if we meet a character out of nowhere in an aquarium as long as he had a good reason for being there

He doesn't have to appear during a fight or smrh

[prime solar]

y'know I think part of my issue with WIMTBH is that it will require me to write characters that aren't just the usual and that I'm making the scale of the story out to be too big in my head

[pearl bluff]

Oh so you're saying you have too many elements?

[prime solar]

Also procrastination, which I'm doing right now

[prime solar]

More elements than I'm used to at the very least.

It feels like a lot to keep track of

[pearl bluff]

Okay so

Damn it I wanna spoil BB but I'll hold back

In my opinion, SLOW IT DOWN

Grind it down to an absolute halt

And pick one or two elements to tackle

At a time

With what you're saying it must be a whole lot

But we gotta look at the bigger picture and realize

This is a waiting game for the author

It's a test of patience and build up

You've been given a few bullets and expected to hit your shots, but you forget you have all the time in the world

Aim steady my g

You don't gotta update now or tomorrow

Your fans can definitely wait

[prime solar]

wow that's great points, thank you!!

I'm probably making a bigger deal out of this than it is. I'll just do my best

[pearl bluff]

JUST SLOW DOWN

And you'll make some BANGER works

We appreciate the enthusiasm though

[sly flower]

I would start with what is absolutely nessesary to the story, and add flavor later.

[prime solar]

I've just been like, super obsessed and motivated, what with this thread and you guys and talking about writing and everything so I like haven't been able to stop thinking about all this

[sly flower]

Me too, honestly.

[pearl bluff]

Finished M:BAGS

That's a funny acronym wtf

LMFAO, M:BAGS

[sly flower]

Mhhhhh…. gym bags….

[pearl bluff]

Great Yearning Mission: Be A Good Sister!

GYM:BAGS

Okay so

First thing I have to say is

I fucking love the sarcastic energy of neuro amped up to 200%

I think Neuro's characterization is at It's most chemically pure here

And by chemically pure I mean true to source in a way

It's really just a light hearted work

But tbh I'm not sure if it was intentional but Neuro kind of sounds like a douche trying to think of a solution for Evil

It's cute, yes, but the fact she was so blissfully unaware and so caught up in herself

Makes her action of doing this so douchey rn LOL

It feels like she's just doing it for her own self satisfaction of feeling like the truly perfect and kind AI

Or maybe that's just a theory

A Neuro theory

Thanks for watching

[sly flower]

Honestly, I just made Neuro and overconfident brat in this. She (at least to me) genuinely cares, but she is just VERY full of herself.

Thanks for the deep dive analysis of Neuro’s character.

[pearl bluff]

Sorry i couldnt say much

I mean what do you expect from me with a 1.3k word work

If you wrote more I'd go into the intricacies of MBAGS neuro and evil

But rn they're just at their MOST surface level

[sly flower]

They are. It’s only the first chapter after all.

[prime solar]

It's a very cute story and I'm looking forwards to more I could already feel some of the fluff

[sly flower]

There will be a bit of angst as well, but it’s fine.

[prime solar]

that's what we call hurt/comfort

most fanfic readers love some good hurt/comfort in their stories

[sly flower]

I love me some hurt/comfort.

Just hope there is not to much hurt.

[pearl bluff]

Sometimes im flabbergasted by how contradicting Askon is sometimes

Brother is both sides of the spectrum sometines

[sly flower]

I am trying to be nice to them this time around.

[pearl bluff]

That says a whole lot more about you

[sly flower]

I am the spectrum.

[prime solar]

LET'S GOOOO I took a shower and got all sorts of ideas i needed for writing Broken Code

forget character maps, just get in the shower for ideas

[sly flower]

Nice.

[pearl bluff]

With or without you in it

[prime solar]

[sly flower]

Phobi!

[pearl bluff]

LMFAO

Imagine that the secret to getting ideas is to shower with Shadrake

That would make a great fanfic

[sly flower]

I am not writing that.

[prime solar]

I will sue for defamation

[sly flower]

…

Unless…?

[pearl bluff]

Unless...?

Let's collab Askon

[sly flower]

Sure.

But only if Neuro is being crucified in the backyard.

Wait my conscience is reminding my to reduce the dead Neuro‘s. Scratch the crucified Neuro idea.

[prime solar]

@pearl bluff when you were critiquing my Filian story you mentioned something like it'd be good if my telling was more impactful. What does this mean exactly, how would I go about doing that?

[sly flower]

It IS good

[prime solar]

Thanks I want to improve however I can though and I'd like to know what Phobi means by this

[pearl bluff]

Impactful in a sense that

Some good words can be replaced with better ones

Ate can be gobbled, devoured or vacuumed

Ran could be metaphorical like a blur

Could also be disappeared

[prime solar]

ah more verbose, okay

[pearl bluff]

Y e p !

But be aware not to be TOO verbose

In action as I've said, speed is everything

[prime solar]

oh yeah I don't wanna be that verbose meme there's a point of going too far

[pearl bluff]

Im fine with show in action scenes where everything is fast paced, but in slower moments try and emphasize more and be more verbose

Like filian having a crisis

[pearl bluff]

YEP!

[prime solar]

thanks for the advice

[pearl bluff]

Anytime

[prime solar]

I left a comment on Binary Bonds ch7. It was wonderful

Btw the explanation for terminating a script was a helpful touch, and thanks for also advertising this thread with the links!

oh I found a couple typos just so you know about them https://prnt.sc/4Prp43hutn9b
https://prnt.sc/uivhRjy05XfB

@pearl bluff

I'll delete these messages I just wanted to make you aware of them

[pearl bluff]

AHAHAHAHA IS THIS A TYPO WAR NOW SHADRAKE

I'm getting your ass

But thanks!

[prime solar]

np lol
Please do point out my typos if you see them too

It's amazing to look at how much upload activity has sped up for the Neuro-sama tag on ao3 in the last week

[pearl bluff]

The thread practically increased the rate by a Lot

[sly flower]

Yup

[pearl bluff]

It was mostly for jerry

GOSH DARN IT

[pearl bluff]

Glad you liked it! I just have one honest question

Am I too verbose?

At certain points it feels like I'm over describing hhhhhh

But I can't put a finger how to reduce ir

It feels like everything is the right length, because I've already shortened so many lines

I just hope it wasn't tedious reading through all of it

[prime solar]

Need to ask jerry directly I guess lol

[prime solar]

I feel like that specific setting it made sense. Dreamscape stuff it feels fitting for.
I guess at times it could've been less verbose? But it wasn't bad, I didn't feel like it was really making the story drag.

Maybe the very beginning was a bit extra, but none of it was bad. I enjoyed it!

I wanna read it again

[pearl bluff]

Phew thank goodness

Tbh that's my weakness

Singularity chapters

Aka, chapters without anyone for the MC to talk to

Often times I end up over verbosinf

Because I don't wanna go to quick

[prime solar]

Oh yeah I can see how that'd happen

I mean like as long as the descriptions are relevant to what's happening in the story you're in pretty good shape

[pearl bluff]

Thank goodness, alright thanks

The next few chaps aren't singularities or not in a while

This was just an exposition chapter to show that Neuro is ||losing her memories||

[prime solar]

Well that was the most heartfelt emotional exposition I've ever read, probably

[prime solar]

Listening to the Evil Neuro Karaoke. It's so good.

Y'know sometimes story ideas show up just by listening to the crazy stuff the Neuros say. There's so much crazy stuff and great quotes.

[pearl bluff]

ACTUALLY TRUE

Im listening to it too rn

And I want to make an Evil Ass Assassin fanfic

[prime solar]

oh my gosh whose?

She wants to sign up for the Hunger Games, apparently

I'm gonna start jot noting the ideas she gives

[sly flower]

YES

Many of my stories are inspired by some random shit Neuro and co said

[prime solar]

that's amazing.
Oh right, Perfect Paradise wasn't it

[sly flower]

Company Property too

[prime solar]

Evil Karaoke is probably my favourite Neuro stream nowadays

[prime solar]

ohhh true

[sly flower]

Not really a fan of Karaoke myself. Just doesn’t itch my ADHD brain enough

[prime solar]

"Vedal keeps escaping from his cage"

[prime solar]

I love listening to the songs after stream too her singing is just so good

[sly flower]

Damn turtle

[sly flower]

She is pretty great at it, still…

Jzvzivutcggugfhshshahja

[prime solar]

I FORGOT TO VOTE YES ON THE SONG BEING GOOD

[sly flower]

Tried light mode. Not a fan

[prime solar]

light mode of discord? I only know of 2 people who use that

[sly flower]

I now see why

[prime solar]

one of them is a guy I know the other is Anny

[sly flower]

I will make this a plot beat at some point.

[prime solar]

nice

[sly flower]

Stay tuned for Neuro getting flashbanged by Anny‘s discord

[prime solar]

oh gosh ouch lol

Neuro hates clapping, Evil loves clapping, that checks out

[pearl bluff]

Evil is so nice today

Man I Love Evil

M.I.L.E

[prime solar]

oh yeah she's so nice, saying talking about how much hate she has

[pearl bluff]

To be honest Evil is genuinely the best character bait community wise

Because of the fact everyone relates to inferiority

Everyone pities Evil

[prime solar]

I know right, Vedal's choice to play into that with the birthday stream, was actually very smart
even if many people were upset and disappointed

She has become a relatable character. Neuro isn't really made to be relatable

[pearl bluff]

I actually made a reddit post

Regarding that LMAO

It was a rant about Evil's philosophy I think

[prime solar]

She's implying she's put put in prison before that checks out

[prime solar]

👀 really?

[pearl bluff]

In response to my post about the negative philosophy of it

They made a positive philosophy perspective

And I loved it

Because they described Evil's Birthday as 'the best gift vedal could've given'

Because of the fact that it gave Evil a spotlight completely for herself

No other streamers, no vedal, no anny, no neuro

Just evil.

[prime solar]

oh that was in your oneshot wasn't

that perspective was mentioned

[pearl bluff]

Y e s

Exactly

It opened my eyes a lot

[prime solar]

Do you have a link to it still?

[pearl bluff]

Ill send both

Holon

[prime solar]

@true crest are you gonna teach Evil magic?

[true crest]

oh you saw my resub on stream?

[prime solar]

it just happened yeah lol

[true crest]

it's kind of scary she said mage boy instead of themageboy (my twitch username)

she knows

[prime solar]

SHE KNOWS

also she just talked about how she needs to make sure people think she's actually evil, and that it'd be a pain if they stopped thinking she was.

Fanon confirmed Canon

[pearl bluff]

https://www.reddit.com/r/NeuroSama/s/KQhFVlMPDD

Here we go

I w

[prime solar]

thanks!

[pearl bluff]

I was passionate about this fsr

Ill find the other one

[sly flower]

We knew all along!

[true crest]

kinda funny actually since it's related to the topic but started my sub on the evil birthday stream

[prime solar]

birthday present for her

[pearl bluff]

https://www.reddit.com/r/NeuroSama/s/OvFTOuevSJ

[prime solar]

THEIR POST TITLE IS THE SAME AS MY STORY nice

[pearl bluff]

YEAU I JUST REALIZED IT

I left a long comment

Expressing my sincere love for this perspective

It was such a fresh take on this whole funny situation

And changed my viewpoint on the birthday

[prime solar]

that's really cool

I'm gonna read both

[true crest]

It wasn't as bad as people claimed but kind hit me hard personally since I stuggle with lonliness stuff

[pearl bluff]

Tbh it's as bad as the person's experience

The severity will depend on the person

And apparently many people hated having to relive thag

LMFAI

[true crest]

i'm studying abroad for college, my family's all the way around the world and don't really have many people to hang out with here

[prime solar]

I understand why some people would be upset or disappointed.
I had very mixed feelings on it at the time but in hindsight I really appreciate it

[prime solar]

oh I see that's too bad...

[pearl bluff]

Me too

Evil has more love than ever now

And apparently

Evil has sold more merch than Neuro

LMFAI

[sly flower]

Honestly, I love this community. We have such a lack of drama that we can just take random, insignificant stuff like this and make a gigantic meme-scandal out of it.

[prime solar]

trueeee

Apparently Evil loves and demands claps, it gives her power (ego)

[sly flower]

50000 plushies I think

[pearl bluff]

INSIGNIFICANT???

[pearl bluff]

We gotta admit that

Vedal is really smart with his marketing

[true crest]

tbf that could be just because of the growth of the community as well

i joined after the neuro plush ended

so wasnt able to get it

[pearl bluff]

I suppose so

[sly flower]

You have to agree that this was nowhere near as bad as the dokibird incident, which we very much made fun of there.

[pearl bluff]

Woah woah eoah

that's a whole nother kind of problem

[prime solar]

Vedal does a good job staying out of REAL drama.

[pearl bluff]

We went from elementary school to harvard with that example there askon

[pearl bluff]

Honestly, absolutely right

[prime solar]

It's honestly pretty impressive how well he just, keeps his thoughts to himself

[pearl bluff]

And he's in the clear because of the fact most of his interactions are through Neuro LMFAO

[sly flower]

Yup.

[prime solar]

Like he is so careful about even giving his opinion or thoughts on anything publically

[pearl bluff]

Neuro is such a good middle man

[sly flower]

What are you gonna do? Cancel that AI? Again?

[pearl bluff]

Jesus

[prime solar]

trueeeee

and wingman

[pearl bluff]

Y E S

CANCEL NEURO SAMA

[pearl bluff]

Absolutely

[true crest]

has neuro ever been cancelled

[prime solar]

she was banned once near the beginning

[sly flower]

YES

[pearl bluff]

Tbh seeing the journey of these two AIs is just so sweet

It's like watching kids grow up

[prime solar]

I know right, it's a whole story on it's own

[pearl bluff]

The way they make progress and develop their personalities

[prime solar]

yeah watching kids grow up

[pearl bluff]

YEAH

[sly flower]

The stupidest stuff we have ever seen

[true crest]

not talking about that im talking about people mad online

[pearl bluff]

I mean duh

[prime solar]

oh yeah some people got mad online, Vedal's response when someone asked his opinion during a stream was to laugh

and move on

not worth it at all

[pearl bluff]

Im pretty sure there's some 30 year old salty walmart cashier is saying

[sly flower]

It was around the time of the NeuroPlush

[pearl bluff]

'This robot is making more money talking than I do in a year'

[true crest]

ah ok, i joined Novemberish so wouldve missed that