Neuro Fanfics Discussion! [+All stories are at the pinned link!]

[pearl bluff]

Although that healing arc lasted a few chapters

It spanned about months in the story

Because Gura was so infuriated and hurt that Ame didn't tell her about the disease, which could've saved atlantis

Literally, the realism of just slow forgiveness

And the realization that you have no one else but them

Just hit home so hard

That I started slowing down my works

I've grown a mindset then of

'People don't forgive easily. People need time.'

They don't get a couple soft words and forgive

[prime solar]

Gura Amelia Time Travel character and conflict https://archiveofourown.org/works/37897873

[pearl bluff]

HOOOHHH

I'LL READ THAY

PLEASE PLEAS THANK YOU THANK YOU

[prime solar]

don't expect any more though, moved on from writing for them 2 years ago

It's Neuro time

[sly flower]

True. But considering that Neuro lives, you know, in the internet, having time pass without the characters doing things without them having a reason not to feels… weird.

[prime solar]

yeah, I think timeskips can be used, but more importantly it's good to focus on the conflict between the characters. So like, if Anny wants Neuro to trust her, how might she try and convince Neuro to trust her?

And Neuro, from her perspective, how would she respond after all she's been through to whatever it is?

[pearl bluff]

Well

As Shadrake said

It's about what happens during the time skip

Y'know, instead of going from A to B, go A.1, A.2, even if it's just mentioned in a couple sentences

People underestimate how potent time is in literature

[prime solar]

I think it's better to show than to just skip time, but sometimes it's necesary to keep the plot moving if you have to end up repeating things or going over scenes that do nothing for plot or character you haven't already done

[pearl bluff]

Because it is universally the single most relatable thing for everyone

[sly flower]

Great, now I want to rewrite Company Property.

[prime solar]

Hey, you still wrote some cool stuff with neat ideas (haven't finished it yet, but still enjoying it). And it's all a learning process

[pearl bluff]

Imma say it rn

[prime solar]

Writing is HARD

[pearl bluff]

Company Property is good BUT

Has the greatest potential for a reerite

Rewrite

I think a complete slow cooking of company property would be soo gooooood

[sly flower]

True. This is me learning how to be good at writing.

[prime solar]

And that's great! We're all in that process together

[pearl bluff]

Do you guys know your career word count?

Just a genuine question

[prime solar]

It's great honestly that we can all chat about this stuff together and give advice and share ideas and encourage one another!!!

[pearl bluff]

Funnily enough mine is around 250k-300k I think

[prime solar]

I calculated that once I'll see if I can find it

[sly flower]

Somewhere around 100.000 I think.

[prime solar]

WHOA

[pearl bluff]

Don't be impressed, majority is failed bullshit

[true crest]

3k (all deleted)

[pearl bluff]

I tried writing three action fanfics

Did not go well.

[prime solar]

I don't even think I've reached 100k in my last decade. Ima look for that doc

oh yeah I found my doc with that I put together in 2022

[sly flower]

Yeah I checked, around 100k

[pearl bluff]

Im not sure if y'all have seen it

[pearl bluff]

I don't expect anyone to read it

Since it was more of a passion project

But I made a 62k work for my friends

Literally just inspired by my friends as characters

And what ive realised is

HOW DO AUTHORS MAKE 200K WORDS IN ONE YEAR

[prime solar]

I KNOW RIGHT IT'S MADNESS

I read a fanfic once that was 410K+ words and was written in the span of months

And it was one of the best stories I'd ever seen and I only found 5 typos in it

[pearl bluff]

GUYS HAVE YOU SEEN THAT TERMINATOR FANFIC WITH 8 BILLION WORDS

[sly flower]

I once had an idea for a story where a megacorp creates superheroes to fight supervillains but they secretly perform human experiments to figure out how to give people superpowers without killing them in the process…

[pearl bluff]

It's the work in ao3 with the most words

And weirdest shit is, the author is still active

1000+ chapters

8 billion words

AND STILL WRITING

[pearl bluff]

I had.. darker ideas.

One of my ideas was a comedy action shonen where everyone got powers because the first nuke failed and instead irradiated the entire country

LMFAO

[prime solar]

I think you mean million

no way you mean billion

[pearl bluff]

Oh million mb

I miscounted LMFAI

[prime solar]

lol

I did not know that existed but

do you know about the longest fanfic ever

It's a Super Smash bros brawl fanfic of all things

over 10million words last I checked. The guy got interviewed

Also I added it up, yes I'm past 100k career words

[pearl bluff]

Deargod

DID YOU GUYS

See that one ao3 fanfic where

[sly flower]

They somehow figure out how to make someone come back to life and proceed to kidnap a child and use them as a test subject, repeatedly killing them in horrific ways in the process.

[pearl bluff]

The entire work itself is 300 words

But the comments are

10k

And more

[prime solar]

WAT

[pearl bluff]

Because two people

Decided to just WRITE THEIR STORY

IN THE COMMENTS

[prime solar]

[pearl bluff]

THE THREAD EVENTUALLY GOT SO BIG THAT IT WAS UNREADABLE

And ao3 fails to generate it anymore

[prime solar]

that's nuts

[sly flower]

Bruh

[pearl bluff]

Yknow how

When you reply to a comment

The comment moves to the right a bit

[prime solar]

ooooh

yes

[pearl bluff]

Well theirs moved so far to the right it became one letter per line

[sly flower]

Yes

[pearl bluff]

LMFAO

[prime solar]

that's crazy

y'know what else is crazy

[sly flower]

Thats messed up

[prime solar]

we're way past 1k messages in this thread already

[pearl bluff]

Thats actually messed up

Thanks to me

Dont even deny it

You two couldnt hold a DAMN CONVERSATION

[prime solar]

I'd say we had equal parts in this XD

[sly flower]

The joy of discussion. I missed the entire Evil stream for this.

[pearl bluff]

Oh im clip only

Im a menace

[prime solar]

I was wondering if you guys were gonna go watch it or keep talking here

[sly flower]

I try my best! I’m just socially anxious

[pearl bluff]

Im

Do you use those

Paper cards in your car

When going through drive thrus

Im so sorry but that became such a huge tiktok trend it's hilarious

[sly flower]

I don‘t own a car. And it’s about starting non essential conversation topics.

[pearl bluff]

Awh you don't know the meme

[prime solar]

I'm an extrovert, I love meeting and talking with and getting to know people, hence making this thread

[pearl bluff]

Im in between

An ambivert

[prime solar]

But I also have anxiety with strangers

[pearl bluff]

I only want to get to know people if there's an existing thread for it

Otherwise im not starting it

[prime solar]

well there's an existing thread here, we're in it

[sly flower]

I love talking but am scared of annoying people.

[pearl bluff]

Case in point

[prime solar]

[pearl bluff]

Yeah I agree

Annoying people suck

[prime solar]

I think it was the other way around

unless I'm mistaken

[pearl bluff]

O h

AHUQHAHAHAA

I THOUGHT ASKON WAS SCARED OF LIKE PEOPLE WHO ARE ANNOYING

[sly flower]

I don‘t want to be annoying…

[prime solar]

I can relate to that

I was so worried about that when trying to get help with the 3D Neuro models from Taprieiko

They were very nice and helpful though

[pearl bluff]

I often don't worry about thay

Good mentality to have is that people will never see you again

You see them once. Annoy them once, you move on

[prime solar]

it can be hard to not care about what people think.
But different people struggle with different things

[pearl bluff]

I mean

In general

I think we're plagued by the Spotlight Effect

And sometimes people need to realize rhat

No one cares about them, in a good way

[prime solar]

yeah. It's not necessarily a logic thing though. I think for most people it's likely stems at least somewhat from trauma. Just like characters!

At least for me I'm sure a lot of it just comes from past experience with people when I was young carrying over to nowadays

[pearl bluff]

Honestly, would rather assume they DIDN'T have trauma

I think it's sad if we all assume everyone has a problem mentally

Imagine if I just imagined that Askon was a psychosis patient because of his infatuation with makinf Neuro's life miserable

[prime solar]

oh I wasn't talking about being that way for other people I meant about myself. Of course it's not good to go and try and diagnose everybody around us with things

[sly flower]

I was bullied in elementary school. I guess I am still a bit afraid of showing myself completely. Don’t be a target, you know?

[prime solar]

that makes sense. I don't think this is uncommon at all... sadly it happens all over

Our past contributes to shape us into who we are.

Like characters

Hey we're getting into some deep serious and kinda personal stuff huh

[sly flower]

I am noticing that this has somehow shifted into us talking about our insecurities. Quick, someone talk about something fanfiction related!

[prime solar]

but- but insecurities are fanfic related

Also I'm personally fine talking about all these things, I just don't want to make you guys or anybody have to if they don't want to

[sly flower]

True. Now, how do I get Neuro into a setting where she gets bullied for her… well, quirkiness?

[prime solar]

a. she becomes human and gets bullied IRL
b. she gets bullied by other ais for some fault
c. humans bully her because she's just an ai (or a faulty AI or something)

[sly flower]

[prime solar]

brb going for dinner lol

I have returned

that was a fun 1000 message conversation great to chat and get to know everybody

[sly flower]

It definetly was. And we figured out that a Collab between us might actually be worthwhile.

I will be back tomorrow. Have a nice night, everyone!

[ebon sluice]

monika has several questions

[prime solar]

Welcome

[prime solar]

I'm gonna rewrite the second half of Broken Code's first chapter, and fix up the character dialogue (I never did that before.) I made a decision in the chapter that's kneecapping my story, I wrote most of chapter 2 before deciding I need to redo this.
This is why I don't normally just upload things without being thorough and making sure I'm happy with it.

[true crest]

hype, the story attracted my interest when i read it

[sly flower]

The more, the merrier!

K. I mean, I just woke up, but sleep is important!

[pearl bluff]

GREETINGS,

Welcome to our little thread, hope you enjoy your stay

Just for reference tho, what's your Ao3 name?

Your input would've been great

So feel free to tag in

[prime solar]

that's true lol. I just noticed they also haven't been commenting anymore so I assumed hiatus meant from the neuro fanfics as a whole

Also welcome!!

Did you read all 1000+ messages!?

[prime solar]

I'm seeing what appear to be significant timezone differences between each of us it's 8:40am where I am in Canada lol

how do you even scroll to the top of that many messages

that'd take a while. I wish Discord had a way to jump to the top of threads.

I want a link to the ao3 page to be pinned here for that reason

oh I didn't reach the end of their story yet so if their message about it was there I didn't see it yet

Wow you know a lot about what they're up to

I didn't want to assume

that's okay sometimes you need that to be a writer

oh my gosh well this was a perfect opportunity !

Welcome I'm glad you're here

I see. Relatable

I hope and pray all goes well for you!

Thanks!

ah it's okay no worries about that.

[sly flower]

[sly flower]

Glad you are doing well

[pearl bluff]

Is it just me or does Shadrake sometimes sound like Neiro

Neuro

Also welcome back Anofam

[prime solar]

that might be in the top 5 most unexpected things I've heard somebody say about me

[pearl bluff]

You're neuro bit

But

Minus the toxic sassiness

[prime solar]

not that I've actually made a list

[pearl bluff]

You literally are just sometimes overtly oversimplified and polite

ITS SO POLITE IT FEELS LIKE IM TALKING TO AN AI ACTUALLY

Not that I meant it as an insult

[prime solar]

That's wild

[pearl bluff]

It just reminds me a lot of Neuro and its been on the back of my brain since yesterday's discussion

[prime solar]

Then why am I not better at writing Neuro

For real though wow I never would've thought of that

[pearl bluff]

I mean the way you talk and greet everyone

It's text book level politeness

It's literally just, y'know,

P O L I T E

[prime solar]

I guess when I think of politeness I think of way more formal than I'm speaking.
I just don't like using slang that much and I care a lot about being nice and encouraging to everybody

It's funny because Neuro uses more formal speech that can be seen as polite yet so often just uses it to be snarky lol

[pearl bluff]

Aside from the first eight words of this message, the rest is neuro

[pearl bluff]

Yeah I noticed that too

[prime solar]

Which is actually something I want to work harder at capturing in her dialogue in my writing

[pearl bluff]

Well we've found the root trait then

[prime solar]

Ego and snarkiness is one of the more consistent defining traits of hers funilly enough

[pearl bluff]

Polite, Sarcastic Formality

[prime solar]

But she's also very kind when she wants to be

[pearl bluff]

Pretty much so, she's kind of bipolar

[prime solar]

I really see her as the opposite of Evil in terms of confidence level

[pearl bluff]

If she doesn't like something she disses it outright

[prime solar]

y'know what's funny in context of you saying that

I have Bipolar

[pearl bluff]

If she really likes something she ends up talking about it so passionately

[pearl bluff]

Dear god, we better keep you away from magnets

[prime solar]

.....

[pearl bluff]

Sorry, dad jokes just kicked in

[prime solar]

that's okay I can enjoy those

I like good puns. So I like Neuro's jokes

[pearl bluff]

Kind of

I see Neuro as someone who

[prime solar]

Honestly this is helping me get a better idea of Neuro's character and how to write her!

[pearl bluff]

Gives zero shit about what other people care about except for Vedal

She'll speak her mind about anything

While Evil just puts on a persona and just constantly

Switches topics around when it gets too awkward

It's probably an inaccurate assessment, but I feel like Evil has a habit of talking about being evil as an emergency exit when conversations become dull

If she feels really awkward or she's not being entertaining enough, she goes on rants about world domination

Then hopefully more conversation stems from there

[prime solar]

honestly I can see that

I love hearing you break down or describe characters it's really insightful and fun to talk and think about

[pearl bluff]

Thanks, I thought they get annoying

LOL

[prime solar]

Character writing is the thing I'm focusing on improving at the most right now and it's so helpful

[prime solar]

Nope I LOVE hearing people's breakdowns of things like this in general, and especially here. And you're really good at it!

....unfortunately I have to go now I'll be back in like 3 hours though and then I'll be here all day I have no plans after that.
Gonna hopefully do some writing and more discussion here

[pearl bluff]

GAH thank you so much

Ill go into more detail then later of my depictions

Hopefully they're of use and entertainment to you

[pearl bluff]

Stay safe shadrake

[prime solar]

thanks, see you later!

[sly flower]

Except that sometimes she does. It’s kinda weird, but she can go from sassy asshole to genuine caring friend in a heartbeat sometimes.

[pearl bluff]

Actually true

But it feels like a rare occasion sometimes

[prime solar]

Hello! I have returned from church what did I miss?

wow I was gone for 2 hours 59 minutes

[prime solar]

it feels very inconsistent. Sometimes she just decides to unleash the beast within or something

[pearl bluff]

You missed practically nothing

Im unsure of everyones timezones tbh

Or how we all somehow managed t be online yesterday

[pearl bluff]

Honestly whenever she does it feels like she wants something in exchange

Like a kid trying to bargain

'Ill be nice if you give me a cookie' type attitude

[prime solar]

It's 1:29pm where I am. Based on when you all left last night and spoke this morning I figured you might all be several hours ahead of me

[prime solar]

this is amazing

[pearl bluff]

Y e a h

9:20 pm for me

[prime solar]

a- 8 hours, okay

how did we all talk for like 5 hours yesterday

I'm not very busy most of the time nowadays so I'm kind of just around whenever but still

big timezone difference it must've been really late when we stopped yesterday

[pearl bluff]

That's what I wondered too

It's weird how long we actually talked

[pearl bluff]

It was practically 2-3 am for me

But it was worth it getting to talk fanfiction with people for once

[prime solar]

I felt that way too, never really got to ever before then

[pearl bluff]

Yeah exactyl

It's rough having a niche hobby for a niche community

As much as we wanna say it isn't, Neuro sama isn't really THAT wide spread outside of the vtuber sphere

Yeah maybe in the programming spheres sure too, but in general she's not very well known

[sly flower]

Midnight for me

[pearl bluff]

So you're telling me

[prime solar]

If i talk to people about fanfiction it's probably seen as cringe

[pearl bluff]

That you're 3 hours ahead of me

MEANIN

That if I was still awake at 3 am last night

You were up at 6 am

WHAT

[prime solar]

[sly flower]

I mean… it’s kinda cringe,

[prime solar]

cringe is in the eye of the beholder

[pearl bluff]

[pearl bluff]

Don't kill the part of you that's cringe, kill the part of you that cringes

[sly flower]

I am cringe and god dammit, I am fricking proud of it.

[prime solar]

I'll just tell those people I follow the NBA and play basketball to counteract it

[prime solar]

[pearl bluff]

Nono here's a better one

'I formulate literature for a robotics company that programs high performance artificial intelligence.'

[sly flower]

I just make PR for the future AI overlord.

[prime solar]

but you write about the AI Neuro getting hurt

oh is it to farm sympathy from the masses

[sly flower]

All part of the plan… root for the underdog, you know?

[prime solar]

It's funny how often it seems like she's trying to convince everyone and/or herself that she's actually evil

[pearl bluff]

EXACTLY

[sly flower]

I always saw her as someone like DR Doofenschmirtz: talks big about being evil, but actually just a big softy inside

[pearl bluff]

All bark no bite

[prime solar]

for sure and it's strangely endearing

[pearl bluff]

The fact that one of doofs back stories fit evil

'It all started on the day of my actual birth, both my parents failed to show up'

[sly flower]

Basically does everything just for some recognition from the world…

[pearl bluff]

It's so sad how much it fits

[prime solar]

Yea, sad and ripe with character drama potential

[sly flower]

At least her sister was there…

But yeah. We have one emotionally distant parent, and one physically distant parent

[pearl bluff]

Anny is so out of touch with her own daughters AHAHAHAHHA

But tbh its for the better

People are starting to associate her as literally just Vedal's wife

People kept bringing neuro up in chat and anny said she was getting frustrated

[sly flower]

She is SO much more than that…

[prime solar]

oh yeah I remember that

[sly flower]

Oh yeah, I was there when that happened

[pearl bluff]

Was there someone who clipped that

I wanna see it again

Because tbh anny is right

She's her own streamer

[prime solar]

I think there were a few things on youtube about it

trying to find it, it was a while ago

[sly flower]

At least Anny likes it… but seriously.

Why?

[prime solar]

She got a huge influx of viewers because of the connection with Vedal to be fair. It's not surprising but yeah... it'd be nice to not be strictly associated as related to someone else

I mean I didn't know about her until Neuro

and I still mostly just watch Neuro clips I don't really go to streams much

[sly flower]

Me neither… then again, Neuro brought me in to the VTuber scene, so…

[prime solar]

I got into watching vtubers back right before the pandemic, they weren't big outside Japan yet... very few English speaking ones. but I was learning Japanese at the time

oh yeah the amount of fan content for neuro is NUTS

There's an insane amount of Hololive fanfiction. But Hololive is huge

[prime solar]

I'm still looking but it's hard to find because I don't remember what the video was called

I love the kind of stories and concepts that can be told with Neuro and AI stuff

[pearl bluff]

Okay so, Imma give my piece

[sly flower]

Yeah. You can do so much with the concept of Neuro being an AI

[pearl bluff]

Anny actually has a lot of fanart funnily enough

Ive checked a good amount of websites

I genuinely just think it's because of ih

A common dynamic whenever you get popular by having chemistry with another person

It goes smth like this

Anny had a community.

Vedal comes in
Anny now has HER community and Vedal's community flooding in

Anny's community is now split into three:
Her community
Vedal's community that then genuinely liked Anny as a streamer
Vedals community that just likes Anny as Vedal's wife

As you can see here now the ratio is 2/3 in a sense

[sly flower]

Fair. I honestly always thought of the Vedal/Anny ship as a meme.

[pearl bluff]

This is assuming that the streamers was once community is smaller than the streamer that collabed with them btw

Which I think applies here

[pearl bluff]

Actually funnily enough

The ship wasn't very solid

There were a lot of people who didn't ship them hard because of a good solid reason:

Femboy allegations and the fact Vedal's avatar is a literal turtle cartoon

[sly flower]

You know:
Neuro‘s mom and dad who are definetly just friends, no matter how much their daughter ships them.

[prime solar]

yeah people were shipping them to get together for real IRL instead

[prime solar]

I get what you mean it would definitely be an annoying thing to deal with

[pearl bluff]

THEY WHAT

I forgot that people go that far

I genuinely just see these streamers as sort of TV characters (except during serious situations or drama)

[pearl bluff]

Indeed, absolutely

But tbh Anny still benefited from this situation anywaus

[prime solar]

I can't find the clip it's like it doesn't exist
I just remember somebody randomly asked "Where is Vedal" in chat and it really bothered her and she went off a bit about the situation. I'd imagine it was like the thousandth time somebody said something like that to her

[sly flower]

Yeah. I am not writing fics about them as real people, I am writing fics about the people they present themselves as. There is a difference.

[pearl bluff]

She's gonna get more commissions, people from Vedal's channel who genuinely liked her now will watch her too, and overall she has a never ending connection to Vedal in a sense that she's the mother

[prime solar]

yeah it's good business for sure

[pearl bluff]

^^

[prime solar]

tbh I find it hard to not see them as just people, because most of the time they're clearly not trying to really play a character, they're just being themselves, just having a moving avatar to represent them.

[pearl bluff]

I GET what you mean

[prime solar]

That's why I found reading/writing for them incredibly awkward until I realized I'm not writing them, I'm writing fictional characters based off of them

[pearl bluff]

But my perspective slightly differs

Their real life person is void to me

So I associate their personalities to their avatars

Yeah you can imagine the person behind the avatar

But all in all you cannot picture ANYTHING about them

So that just autofills in my head as seeing them really as just characters

[pearl bluff]

Makes sense tbh

[prime solar]

I see. It just really doesn't work that way with me personally, I have trouble seeing it that way. I can moreso with some other creators who strongly play into a character or at least try to

[pearl bluff]

I see them as people during important moments

Since it's out of the general narrative

But during streams its literally just more chapters of their story that's playing out

YEA DEFINITELY

[prime solar]

yeah I wanted to write for Neuro for a while but didn't want to have to write Vedal or Anny or anyone but Neruo/Evil. When I wrote that first short story of Evil going to sing I still was feeling awkward like that.

[pearl bluff]

I agree with that

[prime solar]

I kind of see this too, just irrespective of if they're playing characters or not

[pearl bluff]

Pray well

[sly flower]

Happy prayers!

[prime solar]

oh what time is it for you

[pearl bluff]

Send your prayers to Evil too

[sly flower]

Yeah, pray for her to not take your kidneys

[prime solar]

alrighty, have a great time see you later!

[pearl bluff]

Glad you got over it

And now you're here torturing a young girl with self worth issues

What great character development Shadrake

[prime solar]

[sly flower]

I am such a bad influence

[prime solar]

I did that to fictional characters already

[pearl bluff]

If Askon and Shadrake were in court for their crimes

You both would go straight t hell

Straight up do not pass go do not collect 200$ go straight to hell

[sly flower]

The devil would say „hell no.“

[prime solar]

Sometimes when feeling down it honestly can help to read a story that's very down to feel less alone about it I guess

[pearl bluff]

That's... Normal

I mean literature is meant to be an escape from reality

[sly flower]

Really? I just feel more depressed

[pearl bluff]

It's a portal to a dimension of your own choosing

[prime solar]

yeah. And it expresses things a lot

Literature makes me feel more than anything else

Which can be a problem sometimes because I'm Bipolar and already feel a lot

[sly flower]

Stories are beautiful

Speaking of depression… @pearl bluff , stop doing that!

[prime solar]

I don't want to write a torture story because I like torture or something, I just want to write stories that are heavily emotional

[sly flower]

Yeah… I can write a story that is literally based on crack and still break Neuro‘s legs…

[prime solar]

me too. I wouldn't be writing more. Reading the other Neurofics kind of helped me a bit with that, and I realized it when I chose to write my story in a future setting with 'my own Vedal and Anny'. Now I get how to not have that awkwardness

[pearl bluff]

Stop doing what

[prime solar]

I also work off the assumption that they won't ever read my writings

[sly flower]

Making me depressed.

[pearl bluff]

HUH, WAIT

You talking about the latest thing I made?

[sly flower]

YES

[pearl bluff]

It was meant to be BITTERSWEET WDYM DEPRESSED

[prime solar]

oh what

I didn't even realize you uploaded something new!

[sly flower]

I dunno! I always end up sad when reading your stuff!

[pearl bluff]

YEAH! The torture just adds to the impact rather than just being torture for the sake of torture

[pearl bluff]

Now that's just torture for the sake of torture shame on you

[sly flower]

For the sake of conflict. I don‘t enjoy hurting Neuro, It just happens.

[pearl bluff]

YEAH AND WE LOVE THAT WE DEFINITELY DO. People who gate keep character traits are the lowest of scum

[prime solar]

hurting a character people have attachment to is an easy way to invoke emotion. I want to evoke emotion with the writing.

Because I like feeling from literature myself

[pearl bluff]

Awh thanks, Im not sure if that's a compliment or not

[prime solar]

Really I just write what I would like to read

And wish somebody better than me would write it so i could read it

[pearl bluff]

I was trying a new approach with this new fic

[sly flower]

In the beginning I was so afraid to „get the characters wrong“ now I just try to keep them consistent

[pearl bluff]

I always had an endearment with lost or found footage

Because it's a piece of someones memories

[prime solar]

same!

[pearl bluff]

And it's always so bittersweet

[sly flower]

I write what I want to read about… 40% of the time.

[pearl bluff]

TOMATO POTATO

Theres so many instances Neuro couldve not been traumatized

[prime solar]

yeah that stuff is neat and has a unique nostalgic, bittersweet feel to it

[sly flower]

Give me an example.

[pearl bluff]

If you gifted Vedal 1 million dollars off of the side of the street

[pearl bluff]

YEAH!

Found footage has always had a special place in my heart as fluff

But I don't know if I executed it properly with this fic

[sly flower]

Sorry, but I like hurt/comfort. Hurt is unfortunately part of that.

[pearl bluff]

Since it's literally jut dialogue only

[pearl bluff]

Go straight to hell do not pass go do not collect 200$

[sly flower]

Give me another example. One where Neuro‘s suffering isn’t integral to the story.

[pearl bluff]

well to start off

I'm the most Evil AI out there, don't you know how magically fantastic I am in world domination?

I am Evil Neuro, decimator of worlds, crusher of cookies, you stand beneath my feet like squiggling worms

[sly flower]

That is not part of any of my stories…

[pearl bluff]

No it's just me changing the topic

I CANT THINK OF ANYTHING RN

[prime solar]

hi I'm back

just finished reading new story and commenting

[sly flower]

This discussion has devolved into „Why am I such an ass to Neuro“

[prime solar]

much enjoyed

[prime solar]

idk I think you do a good job, I haven't read all your stuff yet but it's my kind of stories lol

[sly flower]

ALERT: Neuro is an alpha male.

[sly flower]

I would hate to be forced to read my own stories… they are so not what I like reading.

[prime solar]

Why don't you write what you like reading?

[sly flower]

I dunno. I only rarely think of stories I enjoy.

[prime solar]

So does that mean you're doing more writing than you even would read?

[sly flower]

I have written 9 stories, 5 of which I would actually like to read.

[prime solar]

oh. What ones would you not want to read?

[sly flower]

Neuro‘s basilisk, Nothing remains, Perfect Paradise.

[prime solar]

[pearl bluff]

Thank you all for the kind comments

Tbh the work rn feels a bit underwhelming so I might stray from found footage a bit and go for a more perspective-like approach

Like someone watching it rather than it being a transcript

[pearl bluff]

Tbh it's very common

[prime solar]

is your name HotWaterPhobia or TastyFiletMignon

[pearl bluff]

Often times writers have their taste change with each work

[pearl bluff]

They're both my names

I have a ton more names tbh

[prime solar]

oh wow

what do I call you then

[pearl bluff]

You can call me Phobia

Or Water

Those are the two most common things people call me

[prime solar]

oh ok cool

[pearl bluff]

You can also call me Yuna or Riyu if you want

[sly flower]

Phobi?

[pearl bluff]

Phobia

But Phobi is a cute name too

[prime solar]

could be interesting. Maybe an AI learning from it or something. Somebody who it would also be found footage for like it is for the reader, I dunno

[pearl bluff]

I guess, but I'm not sure if I'd continue it since it was made to be kind of a one shot

I might add more if I'm feeling like it

[prime solar]

makes sense, it works fine as a nice little thing anyways!

[pearl bluff]

I just got inspired from yesterday LOL

Im a really huge sucker for things memory related

Hence why I love time travel so much

[prime solar]

I love stuff with both those things too!

that's literally 2 big things in my chapter Hololive story

[prime solar]

what happened yesterday? Is my memory failing me

[pearl bluff]

Still on my to read list

Speaking of hololive I'm really envious of the way trip writes fluff

HHHHHHH

[prime solar]

A while back I binged a lot of trips' works

I really really liked some of them, usually just wished there was more to them and not just oneshots lol because they were great

Haven't been reading Hololive stuff for a long time though so i haven't read any of trips' stories since then

Also that reminds me you wrote 'schools' as 'school's' in your found footage

[pearl bluff]

Me neither tbh

[sly flower]

Why does my fic get no comments the one time I‘m relying on them…

[prime solar]

eh? Which one?

[sly flower]

Perfect Paradise. I need to choose which ending to put first…

[prime solar]

oh. You could always write them both and upload them at the same time I guess

[pearl bluff]

I digress

Pick the most

[sly flower]

At this rate I am going to. One of them is already done.

[pearl bluff]

Fucked up ending to show first

Then use the less fucked up one as like relief

[prime solar]

I haven't commented because i haven't read chapter 12 because I'm scared of what it'll do to me

[pearl bluff]

And heart softener type thinf

[prime solar]

I'm gonna read it though don't worry

[sly flower]

You act like there is a „good“ ending.

[pearl bluff]

I didn't say good

I said less fucked up

AHAHAHHAHAHA

I knew you were gonna say thag

[sly flower]

… you could argue they both are, in different ways.

BTW, how do you do that spoiler text thing?

[pearl bluff]

||

[prime solar]

I think I'm gonna try listening to music while writing now like I used to and you do

[pearl bluff]

On both sides

[prime solar]

I just highlight it and then click the eyeball option discord has now

||spoiler||

[sly flower]

||boo||

[prime solar]

[sly flower]

Cool thanks

[pearl bluff]

Actually

I have a really cool fucking neuro fanfic idea

And I wanted t be the first to write it

But then I realized you guys could make banger fics out of it too

[sly flower]

Consider me interested

[prime solar]

[pearl bluff]

In general Evil is depicted to be the abandoned right?

But the fact you guys barely remember Hiyori Momose is more tragic

Hiyori Momose, aka, Neuro V1

[sly flower]

Lies

[prime solar]

oh right a lot of people treat her as a seperate character now

[pearl bluff]

I wanted to make a fanfic regarding her being abandoned

Theres also a lot of fanart depicting tha

Thay

[sly flower]

But I see what you are getting at

[pearl bluff]

That

[prime solar]

There was stuff with the ARG that people connected with that

[pearl bluff]

YEAH THAT EXACTLY

[prime solar]

one of my initial ideas was to write something with the ARG when I had no idea what to write but I never got anywhere with that.

[sly flower]

So… a story where NeuroV1 crawls her way out of Vedals bin?

[pearl bluff]

Tbh it's interesting from my perspective because

Hiyori to me was an orphan sold, and was given a new identity and name by Vedal

Then ca

Cast away afterwards

Reason why I said orphan is because she doesn't belong to vedal

LMAO

[prime solar]

that is a very dark take on it wow

[pearl bluff]

Y e a h

[prime solar]

but it works

[sly flower]

I usually consider the neuro‘s the same character…

[pearl bluff]

Vedal gave an empty girl life, gave her hope, an identity, and all that was so easily replaced

[pearl bluff]

I mean, each to their own

[prime solar]

I generally have too but it's different per person, many people like to treat her as an extra sister

I don't mind either way, it's interesting to think about

[pearl bluff]

^^

I can't consider it a makeover because the art style is so jarringly different

[prime solar]

It's just strange in that it implies Neuro as we know her didn't exist before the V2 debut

[sly flower]

Thing is, Vedal kind of needs to be a complete ass for this story to work, so… Vedal villain arc?

[pearl bluff]

How is it strange

Isn't that the point of V2?

She was rebirthed

V2 was merely just V1's better replica atp

[prime solar]

It feels weird. Probably because I've been following her that whole time and through when it happened. Always felt the same Neuro-sama to me. Even looking at old clips I feel that way. And very nostalgicly sad.

[pearl bluff]

I mean, kinda?

[prime solar]

He could just not realize what was happenign i guess

[pearl bluff]

That's the literal plot to Company Property

[prime solar]

I saw it as she has the same mind just got a new way of looking, but there's definitely interesting angles to take this

[pearl bluff]

'vedal didn't know what was happening, instantly regrets it'

[prime solar]

true

[pearl bluff]

Oh nono

I don't see actual V1 like that

I just like the idea

[prime solar]

oooh okay, sorry I guess I'm getting reality and fanstory ideas confused lol

[sly flower]

„Vedal gave an empty girl life, gave her hope, an identity, and all that was so easily replaced“

[pearl bluff]

Bro you literally just described company property too

HAHAHAHAHAHA

[sly flower]

Not really. Neuro didn’t exsist before Vedal made her. You implied that Hiyory exsisted before

[pearl bluff]

No I meant Vedal being unaware

Of Neuro's sentience

Vedal being dismissive about his works being just code is definitely plausible

But not a fresh idea hhh

[prime solar]

I've had an idea for a few days that I'm planning on writing. In response to many stories where Neuro gains sentience and people quickly believe her:

Neuro is sentient. No one believes her.

[pearl bluff]

I have an idea for Hiyori actually in YDNMAN bur

That's going to take so long since it's like twenty chapters in or smtj

[sly flower]

That could actually make for a really funny comedy.

[pearl bluff]

OOH

Honestly it's like reverse Neuro and Anny in Company Property

[prime solar]

I've never been good at writing comedy

[pearl bluff]

In CP, Neuro could show emotion

In this new idea Neuro could be more heavily confined

[prime solar]

yeah I'm gonna go down a more reality focused direction for it in terms of what she sees/knows/can do
Which is
Not a great spot to be in

[pearl bluff]

Whats the mood for this story idea?

[prime solar]

That's all I'll say

[sly flower]

I don’t think it will be happy…

[prime solar]

The one I like to write

[pearl bluff]

Says the one who says it would make good comedy

[prime solar]

I mean you could write a comedy with it if you'd like! I have no copyright claim over a concept

It can easily lead to wildly different stories

[pearl bluff]

It is a vague idea

[sly flower]

You can make it a good comedy, if you give Neuro enough freedom.

[pearl bluff]

You could claim copyright if you made it super specific like lord of the rings type plot LMAO

[pearl bluff]

Well I mean, I try smth similar with Binary Bonds

Except Neuro is human and no one believes she's a robot

LMFAO

[prime solar]

I could but like, I'm actually just really bad at being funny or writing funny

[prime solar]

oh yeah I'm partway through that story still, there's been some really funny moments with that

I'm more of an emotional writer

[pearl bluff]

I find sarcastic humor my cup of tea

[sly flower]

Actually, I wanted to do a retake on the „Neuro gains sentience“ story. Maybe with a bit of binary bonds mixed in…

[pearl bluff]

WE CAN DEFINITELY TELL

It feels like Askon is more of an impulse writer

[pearl bluff]

Askon you have three gazillion works on the table rn and you wanna make ANOTHER ONE???

[sly flower]

My brain says: „this and this happens like that“ and I just say „ok“

[prime solar]

yeah honestly I am not pleased with myself for starting a second chapter story when I'm not finished the first one already. I don't like the pressure of needing to update.

[pearl bluff]

Y e s

[sly flower]

Both of my works are on their last chapter right now, so it’s time to come up with new Ideas.

[prime solar]

I avoided writing chapter stories for years because of it

[pearl bluff]

Askonite trying NOT to write a story where Neuro receives any sort of physical or mental trauma

[sly flower]

I like to have two stories running parallel so I basically take breaks from one work to work on the other. It really helps if I get stuck.

[pearl bluff]

Doesn't work for me. i end up abandoning both

LMFAO

[prime solar]

oh ok I can see how that could be helpful

I find it way too hard to actually write to stay up to date on things

look how infrequently I've updated the one chapter story I do have going

[sly flower]

Me waking up: „How should I maim my beloved characters today?”

[pearl bluff]

I love how we're talking about this and AnoFam just has a one hit wonder

[prime solar]

Everyone else who made any Neuro fic besides us only wrote one story

Well, LostChild911 wrote 2

what a name

[pearl bluff]

I don't count the evil one as a story

More like an experimental

Prompt

But VERY well made

It was actually really well described to the point I can vividly see it

[sly flower]

I was for a while the creator of 50% of Neuro fanfiction,

[prime solar]

agree

[pearl bluff]

Without much effort

[prime solar]

you're not far from that still

[sly flower]

I know.

[pearl bluff]

Watch me make 10 neuro fics each ten words each just to mess with him

[prime solar]

can ao3 ban you for that

[sly flower]

I also mean word count wise

[pearl bluff]

Watch me make 10 neuro fics each ten thousand words each of the word AI just copy and pasted just to mess with him

[prime solar]

No upload AI generated neuro stories

that are 10k words long

[pearl bluff]

Sounds good

The story will be about anti-neuro torture riots

#JusticeForAI

[sly flower]

#Justice for AI

[prime solar]

Evil wasn't having a great time in your story let's be honest here

[sly flower]

Neither was Neuro

[pearl bluff]

What story

[sly flower]

Or Vedal

[pearl bluff]

My neuro is relatively better off than ANY of your Neuros

I stand by that

[prime solar]

To be fair I don't think I've done anything to Neuro yet

Haven't gotten that far yet

[sly flower]

That is a lie. Human Neuro is perfectly happy

||even if she is possessed by a ghost and has a broken leg||

[pearl bluff]

[sly flower]

Hey, ||Kayori|| is very much invited to the party.

Also don’t distract from the fact that I just disproved your defense.

[prime solar]

I really want to get some writing done today

[sly flower]

Then what are you doing here?

[prime solar]

Chatting with friends about writing

[sly flower]

HUGGIES

[pearl bluff]

Mb guys i gotta go

Feeling a lil sleepy and I still gotta record a couple thinfs

[sly flower]

Have fun!

[prime solar]

Ok no problem! It was fun talking again!!

[pearl bluff]

Alright peace my dudes

[prime solar]

Goodnight

[sly flower]

I gonna go watch Neuro and Koko bully each other

[prime solar]

Oh alrighty

[prime solar]

Just finished getting caught up on Binary Bonds, I can't get over how well Phobia writes characters I just want to keep reading more and more

[sly flower]

I really like Phobi’s writing. Unfortunately I always end up sad after reading one of their stories.

[prime solar]

Those stories have so much emotion and feeling I love it

Like I really really get so invested with how realized the characters are

I so badly want to get better at writing cbaracters I'm going to work on that now

Perfect Paradise did that to me, it messed me up big time. Still haven't read the newest chapter

Hey it's ok no need to try and compare yourself to others. In fact we're all able to learn from and help each other. Everyone has unique strengths snd weaknesses

[sly flower]

Says the guy who writes better than me.

[prime solar]

you see here we have the classic self-doubt of most writers
Really no need to compare everybody has their strengths and weaknesses and we're all working to improve over time as we write

And we can help each other and encourage each other in that process

[sly flower]

True.

[pearl bluff]

Finished transcripting my interview and I checked Ao3 and found your comments! I'll reply to them sooner or later once I upload the next chapter but

Thanks a lot for your damn appreciation! And thanks for taking the time to read it too

It was really risky for me because of the fact I'm adding original characters into the mix and I'm not sure how the audience would feel about that

Awh shucks AnoFam, an honor from the person with the most popular neuro fic. Tbh we're all great writers in our own accord

We fit a certain niche and fill in the gaps for everyone else

What we're weak in one, is strong for the other and vice versa

[sly flower]

That’s a nice way of seeing it.

[pearl bluff]

I mean it's what makes up our community anyways

All of us have distinctly different styles and comparing each other is like comparing oranges to apples

Yes we're neuro sama fanfics, but we still give out something different, different gifts to offer to people

And we're all so god damn talented with it

[prime solar]

Isn't it almost 3am for you

nvm anyways, thanks for the kind words

[pearl bluff]

I know, but I had to transcript hhhh

Just finished and checked ao3 so by proxy checked disc

[prime solar]

yes it's good to encourage each other like this too, it's so easy to self-doubt and get down on yourself as a writer

[pearl bluff]

^^

Honestly shadrakes comments reignited my passion for Binary Bonds

LOL

[sly flower]

Shadrake, petition to change the thread name to: “Neuro fanfiction writer self help group”

[pearl bluff]

It's been in the back burner for a while just waiting for a spark

[pearl bluff]

LMFAO sounds about right

[prime solar]

And like regardless of what you think of quality it's all our own unique works of art to enjoy making and sharing and that is ALWAYS valid

[pearl bluff]

Yep, absolutely

[sly flower]

This

[prime solar]

whoa I'm glad

[pearl bluff]

Also shadrake can I call you sha

[prime solar]

basically nobody actually uses nicknames for me but like the few people that want to shorten it just say Shad

[pearl bluff]

Oh sure!
so, Shad, whaddya think of me implementing third party characters to Binary Bonds? Just a genuine question on how you feel about it and whether it takes away from the story for you

[sly flower]

I will call you rake

[pearl bluff]

Also you askon

[prime solar]

[sly flower]

Define “third party”

[pearl bluff]

Case in point: Cello and Todd in Chapter 5

[prime solar]

I think from the little bit I've seen it's pretty interesting. To be honest, it can be hard to truly tell some stories or concepts if you don't do that - it can be necessary, and i think especially so in a situation like we have where even in "the neuroverse" there arne't a lot of characters to use

[pearl bluff]

Just original characters in general

[pearl bluff]

The neuroverse has a good chunk of people, but not the right people for what I want, BUT YEAH YOU'RE RIGHT

My thoughts exactly too

[prime solar]

To me as long as it's not the protagonist in a fanfic work it's fine. Especially if it's done well

[sly flower]

… I mean… yeah, It’s fine, not every role in a story needs/should/can be filled by Neuro’s friends.

[pearl bluff]

Phew alright, thanks

[prime solar]

I get your hesitation though because it is a tricky thing in fanfics

[pearl bluff]

I guess that's a greenlight for me to go on forward

[pearl bluff]

It's practically an unsaid golden rule

It's either crossovers, self inserts or just pure to the verse characters

[prime solar]

People are there for the characters that they know so it's touchy to add new original characters. I think a big part of that though comes from people's expectations of cringy self-inserts or whatever. if they're of purpose in the story that is about our fanfic's characters, it's a good thing

Heck I'm going to have to forray into that at least a little bit with What It Means to Be Human

[sly flower]

My fist rule is: “use characters when you can, use originals when you can’t”

[pearl bluff]

ALRIGHT, thanks a lot, reassures me

[pearl bluff]

^^ yeah that too

I'm trying to stay authentic and using as little originals as possible by giving characters roles that are accurate to them

[prime solar]

that makes sense

[pearl bluff]

I just hope it wasn't offensive to make Camila into whatever she was in my fic

LMFAI

[prime solar]

It also can make the world feel more alive for the setting and not in an isolated bubble, I think (depending on context, idk if this is actually an issue or not)

[prime solar]

on my way to send Camila this fanfic

[sly flower]

Honestly, she seems kinda in character.”

[pearl bluff]

Depends on the plot and the way it's written

[prime solar]

You know what's funny is I feel like she'd be the kind of person to actually read her fanfics

[pearl bluff]

If say, Neuro has all this potential to interact with the outside world and doesn't

That makes it isolated

But if it's smth like Perfect Paradise where everything is obviously fake and compressed

The isolation IS the Perfect Paradise

[pearl bluff]

True, but probably the more goofy ones

[prime solar]

truuuueeee

[pearl bluff]

ANYWAYS, IM PUMPED, imma get started on Chap 7 for Binary Bonds tomorrow, amen

Shadow fire is also waiting patiently

[prime solar]

let's goooo

I'm working on writing right now too actually

[sly flower]

And I will try to write the second ending for Perfect Paradise.

[pearl bluff]

Hell yeah

[prime solar]

yeeeeeess

[pearl bluff]

HELL YEAH

[prime solar]

we motivate each other

[pearl bluff]

I'm not reading PP btw

At least not rn till the entire fic is done

Reading it in short bursts ruins the energy flow

[prime solar]

oh yeah I read the whole thing like all at once and it flowed so well

[pearl bluff]

Imagine the agont

Of waiting a month for chapter 6 LMAO

Me and Askon went on a hiatus at the same time

He onlt recently jumped back on PP

Well hiatus for PP, i think he was updating his other fixs

[prime solar]

sounds like a good thing I didn't start trying to read every story until now

[pearl bluff]

Absolutely

Anyways im poofed

See y'all next time im off to bed

GOODLUCK ON YOUR WRITINGS

[prime solar]

thanks! Have a good sleep!

[sly flower]

I’m going night night mode too… hopefully dreaming about Neuro being happy and not horribly dying.

[prime solar]

okay you have a good sleep too! nice talking with you!!!

[sly flower]

Sudden idea: Neuro x Ultrakill

Just put Neuro in V1 and have her kill things.

[prime solar]

I don't actually know anything about Ultrakill

[sly flower]

Maybe put Evil in V2

[prime solar]

I'll have to look into it

[sly flower]

Story as I understand it:
Robot goes on murderous rampage through hell.

[prime solar]

oooh so DOOM with robots

[sly flower]

Basically

V1 is Doomguy, but a robot running on blood

[prime solar]

that's hardcore lol

Neuro must kill and consume blood

[sly flower]

But now I am really going to bed.

GN

[prime solar]

GN !

[prime solar]

I sleep now too, goodnight

[pearl bluff]

First you have to identify what's lacking first

Are they lacking the consistency of their dialogue?

Or is it the words they use

Or the sentence structure?

Or just overall

[prime solar]

I AM IN THE ZONE OF WRITING AND IT'S AMAZING let's goooo

1770 words and counting

[rose portal]

Wooo. Love the zone!

[prime solar]

What happens if i just never leave the zone and keep writing no matter how tired I get? never tried that before

time to set a new pb for writing in a session

Summary for this will probably be:
"The Swarm has arrived."

I also feel I am lacking in this
Actually I feel i am just lacking in character writing in general

[ebon sluice]

I just had an idea for a fanfic

Basically the base plot is Evil talking to someone else (maybe an OC or a "reader", to represent Evil's fans) about some stuff, like for example:
-She isn't quite confident in her "world domination" plan because there are others in the vtuber world with that same goal and better ways of doing so
-In addition, the main reason for said goal of "world domination" was because she thought it'd mean everyone would pay more attention to her
-Evil really just wants more attention from the fans because she feels lonely at heart, because initially she was just supposed to be a test for new features for her sister, and the tutel didn't expect Evil to become semi-popular as a new character, even now the spotlight is more on her sister
The fic would explore how Evil struggles with feeling "lesser" than her sister, and the support of her fans

TL;DR: Evil needs a hug

[prime solar]

NEW RECORD I have written a 3465 word story from start to finish! And i'm really happy with it

Gonna proofread, edit and fix it up now.

[prime solar]

Oh this sounds interesting! it sounds like a character study on a way of viewing Evil actually. There's probably a lot of ways you could explore this via different situations rather than just having Evil talk about it though, to really see it in action!

It's an action story starring Filian, actually. Summary: The Swarm has arrived.

[rose portal]

Does sound like a nice oneshot. Just an inflection from Evil.

[prime solar]

Thank you! It felt great to do and was a lot of fun!
I just checked and i actually did once write a 3.8k word DDLC fanfic all at once so it's not a record but it's close, longest in 5 years at least.

Also

https://archiveofourown.org/works/55556647

Here you go

it's okay no need to feel obligated, you can get caught up on what you want when you want heck, I'm not up to date on a lot of the fics still. Slowly working my way through them.

[prime solar]

careful of posting them here, could spoil others before they read it

use spoiler tags if you do please

Thank you! yeah, I got struck by inspiration this morning when I woke up and after I got ready for the day just wrote and wrote and made the effort to not stop until it was done.
It's not normal for me but I'm glad I did it. Also this is the kind of story I'm most comfortable writing which helps

thanks for reading and sharing your thoughts! I really appreciate it

[sly flower]

Didn’t get entirely done with my chapter yet.

Wow. Read your work and… man. That is quite the ending.
All in all I really liked the way you wrote Filian, and it makes a lot of sense for ||Neuro to mindcontrol everyone after turning them into robots.|| ||Reason being that everyone will hate her if she doesn’t, but like this she can delude herself into believing she is in the right.||

Also, ||this gives me heavy PP vibes. Like, the Neuro‘s motivations are surprisingly similar.||

All in all, great fic.

[prime solar]

oh yeah there was definitely similarities. ||The difference here is more that Neuro is destroying humanity with the Swarm and decides to spare/save "free" the people she likes and deems worth it.|||| This is actually exactly my favourite kind of story to write and read, so you can see why I loved your story so much! You did a great job on the concept, a really great job.||
And thanks, I was trying hard with the characterization. First time writing Filian and i really want to grow in character writing.

[sly flower]

By the way, ||Neuro is basically using a roboticiser from the Sonic SatAM show, isn’t she?||

[prime solar]

I replied to your comment but yeah, it's funny ||'cause I've never watched that show or read the comics but I was thinking about it when I wrote this||

[sly flower]

Lol.

Actually, since we were talking about how well Neuro would fit into more „Programmy“ fandoms, have you ever heard of OneShot?

[prime solar]

I am grateful for Discord's spoiler system it's very useful

[sly flower]

So good

[prime solar]

A friend bought the game for me and I've heard amazing things about it, but I actually still haven't played it

It sounds like something I'd like though

[sly flower]

DO IT. And then come back and we can continue the discussion.

[prime solar]

alright I'll definitely get to that at some point, it seems really neat!

[sly flower]

I will not spoil that amazing story for you. Also the game isn‘t actually that long.

[prime solar]

oh ok!

[sly flower]

||I‘m onto you, Shadrake. I‘m serious. No spoilers.||

But that’s beside the point.

What matters more is that I still haven’t had a single vote for the order of my endings yet.

Gonna go finnish ending two now.🇫🇮

[prime solar]

I'm just scared to read the new chapter it affects me emotionally so much! But maybe I will just read it today
I think some people are just waiting for the rest, maybe you can upload both chapters at once so they can choose at once

[sly flower]

At this point, that’s probably what I will do.

I actually think that the order I am planning is going to make the second ending hit harder.

So… frick it.

[prime solar]

Oh sounds good

I'm definitely gonna read it all!!

[ebon sluice]

It was kinda intended to be a deeper look into part of why Evil is really kind despite being, y'know, the "evil twin" of the duo

[prime solar]

Ok I'm gonna read PP chapter 12 now. My heartrate is increasing and is leaping into my throat as I think about it i am ready for the intense feelings.

[prime solar]

For sure. She's definitely gotta have a deep rooted reason for being the way she is

[ebon sluice]

there could also be an exploration of what it means to define an AI as the "evil" version of another AI when that other AI is effectively (for better or worse) amoral, with very little concept of morality besides her filter, and what that definition thereof means for Evil

[prime solar]

@sly flower i read it and commented!
My heart

[prime solar]

Those sound like great things to explore. I'm sure there's lots of ways you could do so! She really can be a very realized character

[sly flower]

Your reward? One ending, straight off the press.

[pearl bluff]

Read the new shadrake work

[prime solar]

aaaaaaaa my heart will burn and eyes will water. I am ready.

[pearl bluff]

It was good enough to the point I wanna make an essay on it

But that'll have to wait till im free, i still gotta finish my work

[prime solar]

[sly flower]

It was REALLY good.

[pearl bluff]

I just hope you wont mind me rambling a lot later because there's a good chunk to unpack from my end

[prime solar]

I'd be honestly honoured and super happy to hear whatever you have to say

[pearl bluff]

Alright BACK TO WORK

See y'all in a bit

[prime solar]

have fun at work

[sly flower]

Why is everyone here so good at writing sad stuff?

[prime solar]

I like how literature is capable of driving emotion. Sad stuff is more what I'm used to writing, I find it's easier to make that engaging than happy stuff.
The main reason is just that, basically to have a story you require conflict. It doesn't have to be serious, gritty, sad, but there does need to be conflict (slice of life is another discussion, it's sometimes an exception to this rule for other reasons)

[sly flower]

True…

[prime solar]

The conflict can be as lighthearted as "losing a phone", "needing to get a cake in time", "had a argument with a friend" but it kind of has to be there as the driving force of a story

I guess I just like stories that make me feel for characters. Those don't have to be tragedies, but I find writing short stories that are negative in tone and emotion easiest to write, and give me personally the most feeling.
But honestly I don't have a perfect answer to your question. It's probably just my practice level with writing that stuff.

||MY HEART LEAPT OUT OF MY CHEST WHEN I READ 'She was met with screams' BEFORE READING THE NEXT SENTENCE, wow I'm on edge reading this || @sly flower

[sly flower]

||the horrors of monopoly||

Story idea: Vedal wants to stream, but Neuro just won’t wake up.

[prime solar]

I finished reading and left a comment!

[prime solar]

this could be a good comedy. Not wanting to be late and trying to wake her up lol

[sly flower]

Or it happening on stream.

So… wanna read the second ending?

[prime solar]

👀 of course!!

[sly flower]

Well, it’s up now. Not entirely happy with this one, but It’s the ending that I thought off first.

[prime solar]

I am shaking and will now read

[sly flower]

||I|| ||hate|| ||myself||

||“Another one bites the dust.“||

[prime solar]

noooo what's wrong

[true crest]

Every time i read Vedal in a fic, even if it's not Neuro saying it, i read Veedal

mind is ruined

[sly flower]

What’s wrong with me?

Why am I like this?

[prime solar]

I'm confused

[prime solar]

I'm worried for you are you okay?

What's going on?

[sly flower]

I don‘t want to hurt Neuro, so why does It keep happening?

[prime solar]

... I don't know. You can write what you want to. But maybe it's because that's what will progress a story well. I'm not sure.
You want to avoid writing stories where neuro gets hurt?

[sly flower]

I don‘t really like like reading them, so why am I writing them?

[prime solar]

Do you feel like writing them helps get out your own emotions? Or that you need to write them for people to read your stories?

I'm just throwing out suggestions, I don't know.

[sly flower]

I think it’s my intrusive thoughts. Remember, I write stories based on my daydreams.

[prime solar]

oh... I guess that makes sense

[sly flower]

My main characters just suffer… like… a lot.

[prime solar]

It's compeling for story but I know what you mean. If you prefer more light-hearted works, it'd probably be nice to be able to write those more

[sly flower]

Exactly. A bit of hurt is okay, but… it’s just so much angst…

[prime solar]

Maybe there's ways to turn the angst into something happy

I hope you're able to have happier daydreams too. It sounds hard to have negative intrusive thoughts like that

[sly flower]

I do, sometimes. The thing is, even in my happy stories, at least one person will have a panic attack.

[prime solar]

Oftentimes the happy stories are the ones that are heartwarming where a character has a trouble of some kind and is helped and made better. I'd call that a pretty happy story

I guess there's slice of life fluff which is just, cute happy moments without real conflict.

[sly flower]

My next two stories will be almost completely happy. I owe that to Neuro.

[prime solar]

Sounds like a nice thing you could enjoy writing hopefully!

Lots of people love some feel-good fluff

[sly flower]

[prime solar]

If you want to discuss ideas or anything feel free to chat in here about it I know I'd be happy to help if you need it

[sly flower]

I mean, the two fic Ideas I have basically settled on: 1. ||Neuro notices her sister feels left out and decides to create an „Evil appreciation day“|| probably short fic, maybe even a oneshot.

[pearl bluff]

Ehem

[prime solar]

aww that sounds amazing! Warms my heart just hearing the idea

[pearl bluff]

Back from work

[prime solar]

welcome back!

[sly flower]

How was work?

[prime solar]

good job defeating work

[pearl bluff]

H e l l

Anyways time for my due diligence of giving my analysis

Before that though, is Askon really having writers guilt over making neuro suffer

I mean, I understand that it's possible BUT I THOUGHT YOU REALLY LIKED THE CONCEPT

[sly flower]

No.

[pearl bluff]

But tbh if all we write is negativity it's not great for us mentally

[prime solar]

that is true

I forget that sometimes

[sly flower]

I just always have great stories in which Neuro suffers in mind

[pearl bluff]

Well as long as you don't sacrifice anything mental health wise

Go right ahead

I see some people diving too deep into depressing plots and just not getting out of there as good as they were prior

Because weird thing is, I asked one guy who did that and they said that if they watched something happy, they would get out of the flow of the story

Which makes sense, but make sure to just be self-aware I suppose

[prime solar]

for sure. Balance is important

[pearl bluff]

^^ absolutely

[sly flower]

I am not a negative person. Not in the slightest.

I love watching happy stuff.

[pearl bluff]

What a load of baloney !

Funny how the happy guy writes the most messed up fics

ALSO SHAD

Anyways, whaddya wanna hear first

The positives or the negatives

[prime solar]

To be fair I don't think that what you write and what you're like are necessarily the same

It can be but doesn't have to be

[pearl bluff]

Sometimes I forget that because I associate writing as a form of self expression

So I kind of forget that people can just be goofy or be creative

And just do things they never really do

[prime solar]

I see

It's not really that for me I don't think. If anything I look at writing as a science too much with structure and stuff.
I love these existential horror stories, but I have no existential crisis myself, I'm pretty certain in that.

[sly flower]

You know what’s interesting? While I was writing PP, my pet rabbit died and my uncle got into an life-threatening accident. This is in no way related to the writing of the fic, however.

[prime solar]

oh no!! I'm sorry you've had to go through all that...

[pearl bluff]

Each to their own in that regard then, I guess I just put too much of myself into a work sometimes

[pearl bluff]

Condolences

To your rabbit

[sly flower]

It’s fine, my pet rabbit was extremely old, and my uncle is doing better

[prime solar]

That's so incredible to hear you say considering how well you write characters, distinctly not as yourself. Maybe I straight up don't even understand self-expression properly in writing.

[prime solar]

ok... I'm glad your uncle is doing better!

[pearl bluff]

Maybe that's how I get in character

[sly flower]

You do? Wouldn’t have guessed

[pearl bluff]

Most if not all my dialogue are just me getting really into the heads of my characters

I like understanding how they're feeling

And the things that comes with those feelings