Artist General

[viscid gust]

you cannot use the sketch as a base
but you are fully allowed to redraw it!

[wise stone]

"There's no fluke"
-Master Oogway, I think.

[undone hare]

not gonna happen again but if i find some interesting ideas i'll submit one

[viscid gust]

I apologize! I would have started the event sooner but i was dealing with an injury

[undone hare]

[wise stone]

It's ok Heir

[undone hare]

heir doing hard work as usual

[viscid gust]

also sooni(ish) I will be making a push for this forum to become a text chat

[undone hare]

isnt this already a text chat?

[cursive flare]

That makes sense, thank you!

[wise stone]

Text chat? like purely text and no pics?

[undone hare]

@vernal sparrow i slipped

[viscid gust]

as in it will be a channel like #general-network

it will be a lot more visible, and will better allow me to help centralize the art community

make a place for us

The centralization of the art community has been one of my biggest goals since i became a mod

[undone hare]

i admire hardworking people like you

[shrewd acorn]

wait sorry im not sure if I understood their question correctly, so if someone uploaded a a sketch of the art before its finished in the art channel before, they're not allowed to use the completed piece in the contest?

@viscid gust sorry i forgot to ping

[viscid gust]

this is correct

we want to be fair to all people participating

[shrewd acorn]

oh damn,

[viscid gust]

people getting a head start runs counter to that

its disappointing, i know
but I cant really do much about it

[shrewd acorn]

guess not joining this year then lol cause i posted a wip without knowing the contest existed

[versed bridge]

unluckE

[wise stone]

pat pat

[viscid gust]

if you change your mind, you have a whole 2 weeks to make something.
I'm real sorry the announcement is halfway through the month, but we kinda wanted the event to end around/on halloween.

[shrewd acorn]

aight thank you

[tall trench]

I just found a drawing of an anime girl getting undressed only to reveal a robot skeleton underneath the skin.

Obviously I can't show it here but this might've given me an idea with Neuro...

[versed bridge]

:neuroMelt:

[vernal sparrow]

and i will fucking do it again

[undone hare]

[versed bridge]

Nico decide the winner :Aware:

[tall trench]

Nevermind someone else had the same idea way before me.

Dang it I'm gonna go sleep now.

[viscid gust]

Based

[wise stone]

Thanks for your past collaboration

🤞

[tall trench]

@undone hare I just realized you're the guy that drew the panels I reposted lol what a coincidence

Bro you cooked so goddamn hard. Keep being awesome.

[viscid gust]

what that was karnt??
I keep forgetting

[wise stone]

Karnt right now be like:

[versed bridge]

:veryFors:

He's cooking RE: Neuro since it's gonna be new story

[hybrid pilot]

I finally finished my Halloween submission and @viscid gust

I cooked

[worn briar]

naaaah not the metamorphosis vedal

(based ngl)

[sturdy apex]

Ain't no way I'm winnin in anything so I'll hafta pass for now.

[crimson comet]

day 14

dark lighting looks so good bro

i should do those more

[glacial estuary]

another day another try at the bod

hmm maybe longer legs?

[versed bridge]

Nice

Smaller head or bigger body

Long legs is pretty good too

[glacial estuary]

bigger bod it is

i like the head size

[ember dome]

From this event, can I draw a picture for this stream background? (Draw it all over again) #mod-announcements message

[hot parcel]

[pastel knot]

I'm gonna get the mappa worker experience trying to get this and nahida day art done within 2 weeks while working and moving in the middle

[novel anvil]

I might submit something since my exams were over a week ago and I have plenty of free time but I’m completely out of ideas lol

[sturdy apex]

Thumbnail for chess thing

[crystal juniper]

is vedal overseeing the match lol?

[sturdy apex]

Yeah

[crystal juniper]

cool

I like the idea that perspective makes it look like the stool is really tall lol XD

I'm really liking certain shading techniques currently so I'm just liberally using them for my art to learn lol XD

[viscid gust]

You can!

[sturdy apex]

God I have a lot of editing to do.

[gentle chasm]

is the leg right?

it loooks kinda wrong

NVM

got my answer

[wary briar]

[pastel knot]

faces are so damn delicate

very hard to get just the thing youre going for

but i think im making good time on this so i believe i can make it in time for the contest

i have a very good idea in my head for a submission

[wary briar]

Takes time

I still have to think of something

[tall trench]

My advice is to flip the canavs.

You'll see a lot of mistakes when drawing faces from an angle.

[pastel knot]

yup, i do that lots

i also have like 2 hours per day to work on any given piece so i get a fresh look on it every day like that

i like glancing at them during work too

[proud birch]

Gyatt inc

[viscid gust]

Gyatt indeed

[tall trench]

Ay yo

[flat gull]

144p hollow purple (I made this in like 15 minutes )

360p hollow purple next???

[versed bridge]

Nice

[steady abyss]

144p animation nex

[flat gull]

ok

[wary briar]

She's inside

[midnight hazel]

I don't think I will participate in the art contest especially since I can't do a finished drawing, only pencil and paper, but I did this base sketch for a halloween neuro art that I might continue if my health improves. I guess Evil is a Vampire or something, dunno what Neuro is gonna be, I'll figure it out if I do get around to actually following through on this one .

[sturdy apex]

I finally got the animatic done. Even though for some reason my art program ruined vedal just maybe a teeny tiny bit

[midnight hazel]

my facial proportions are actually dogshit atm I really need to work on a proper process for drawing faces

[versed bridge]

Good luck :forsenOkay:

[crystal juniper]

I'm thinking about the art contest and also currently are very much towards I rather not participate... despite I do some nice work I know there will be artist with twenty years of experience

although maybe it would be fun despite not expecting to win

[crystal juniper]

thing about stylized art and proportions is that... you can make it work... there are plenty of artists that take quite bit of liberties that are normally touted as "don't do this" in art and it works... that said if you feel like you should make heads more "realistic proportions" compared to rest of the body then yeah, it's something to work on... I know plenty of art videos tell artists about making heads too big and how it's something people tend to do first in art

[sturdy apex]

I just gave up on proportions entirely years ago.

And for some reason I can draw hands now if I try hard enough.

[midnight hazel]

well its more that these proportions are wack compared to drawings I've been happy with from a week ago

like they're just bad by my own standards

like I even had to fix neuros face in that sketch it was even bigger before I erased it and redrew it smaller

[crystal juniper]

you could try to make faces closer to silver ratio... personally I thought it made my own art look much better XD

[midnight hazel]

idk what that is :V

[crystal juniper]

https://i.redd.it/2xdceo5bsfy21.jpg

less long face... right one

more asian like face shape

[midnight hazel]

I see

[crystal juniper]

anyway there is this idea that more circular, less long face shape is cuter... but it's also just a preference so shrug

[flat gull]

why the long face

[vernal sparrow]

i hate vedal's face there

[proud birch]

Lolol

I made it smug to annoy people

[versed bridge]

good

[viscid gust]

lol

[pastel knot]

This for the contest?

Cuz we've had terribly similar ideas in that case

[crystal juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-red-eyes-laser-overlord2-gif-15006005

[tall trench]

I had a similar problem but with wide faces

When I first started digital drawing.

[proud birch]

Oh no this is just a comm

I dont think im participating in the contest i wish you guys the best of luck

[tall trench]

@wary briar I saw your snapping turtle art and was wondering if you did any more art of her?

[wary briar]

This one?

actually no

i wanted to make vedal meeting other kind of turtles, like i was gonna make a giant mommy sea turtle, since they are reaaaally big, but i never actually did

I really like this one too

[elder trench]

[wary briar]

[crimson comet]

i forgor to post here

"insert that fucking bird that i hate"

[tall trench]

I dunno why but at first, I thought she was his cousin

[wary briar]

[glacial estuary]

im so bad at hands

[elder trench]

hands are hard, its probably the thing i spend the most time on outside of feet

[glacial estuary]

lol

[elder trench]

but right now im sturgling with figuring out what to draw

[versed bridge]

Nice

[wary briar]

always look for references guys

[elder trench]

i foudn some references i want to share. its all about shading (pixiv is my new treassure trove for refferences and art) https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/48542246#1

[versed bridge]

I like free styling more

[elder trench]

thats fair, i just do guess work on a lot of things as well. altho i try to do it more "by the books"

[pastel knot]

i always really enjoy drawing nahida until i get to these damn ornaments on her hair

[tall trench]

Guess Genshin characters give you aneurysms? Lmao

[pastel knot]

any hoyo designs really

theyre complex

so theyre exhausting to draw

[tall trench]

Completely agree.

[elder trench]

was actually toying with the idea of putting evil in a genchin outfit

[tall trench]

I once drew a fanart of Anny and all her clothing details were exhausting to do.

And I kinda gave up on some of them. Lol

[pastel knot]

i was commissioned to draw march 7th from hsr some time ago, any guesses on how long that took me to draw

[tall trench]

Which is part of why I like drawing male characters.

[elder trench]

i didnt bother to even try drawing all the details on the last thing i drew. could not be bothered

[crystal juniper]

as I get fancier with shading more work it's to deal with accessories

as I'm tryhard to make it fancier and fancier to learn lol

[elder trench]

its not the shading that takes time, that is on another layer its just colouring it in and getting the perspective right and actually drawing it. like the evil layna thing i drew was supose to have so much more detail

[crystal juniper]

yeah I get it ^^

just thought how it's also just more shading work too

[elder trench]

it depends, for shadows i use multiply so the colours are multiplied from the base layer

[pastel knot]

i find smaller accessories to be actually easier to shade

since theyre small its pretty easy to achieve a sort of illusion of detail

theyre also usually not the focus of the image

[crystal juniper]

yeah although personally I don't view more work as more difficult... outside of it takes longer so it might be harder to get done in one sitting

[pastel knot]

wlop is a master at this

[crystal juniper]

like it just takes longer to get done really

[pastel knot]

especially apparent around the neck here

2 blobs of color yet it looks detailed from afar

[crystal juniper]

that looks nice

[tall trench]

Great example of details not mattering so much as long as the grand work looks good.

[crystal juniper]

one thing I learned about art making is take a page out of airbrushing with shading... despite doing lineart I just found I can shade things look good with less effort and it can even look better as an end result... instead trying to shade everything separately

[pastel knot]

though it still should be said that the only reason wlop can do this is because he has a very good grasp on shading and color

so dont neglect studying these things

[crystal juniper]

I appreciate many art forms outside of what styles I actually like to draw in

[pastel knot]

i dont use the airbrush for shading that much these days

using a hard brush really forces you to kinda make a decision if that makes sense

so its very apparent if its wrong

[crystal juniper]

I can respect it... part of being artist is to find and develop own preferences... what I like to do is to have layers shading over entire character and then some layers shading for accessories and stuff... I'm currently into making edges of accessories for example to look kind of blurry from the inside as it just looks visually cool personally at least... I also just like gradient shading so much nowadays mixed with some other methods

[pastel knot]

how does this expression read to yall

[viscid gust]

content?

as in "I am feeling satisfied"

[elder trench]

feels like it gives of neurtral but happy vibes. like a resting happy face

[wary briar]

She amused

[tall trench]

With these eyes, it's giving me goddess like vibes.

Like a mother watching her children play.

[pastel knot]

alright thats good

i was worried it was leaning on the side of smug a little

i was prolly just looking at it too long

[elder trench]

i feel like this could turn smug if you made her eyes different

like more emotive eyes could have made her expression smug ish

[pastel knot]

Yea getting a fresh look at it now I think it's good like this

[boreal stump]

Am i tripping or her eyelashes are not lining up?

Like her inner endings of eyelashes on different height

[pastel knot]

Nah that is a good observation

It's off a little

[boreal stump]

Sry it was without lines

Also the expression is quite neutral

A bit satisfied as she looking calmly with subtle smile

Also would consider to observe the right eyebrow

Man i wish i had time to draw again

[pastel knot]

I'm sacrificing sleep to draw since I work full time

Been running on 6 hours a night for a while now

Somehow actually feeling fine

[turbid karma]

relatable

[boreal stump]

I already have wasted health condition cant afford to push it further

[proud birch]

I love shadows

Now we also gotta add ambient, glow, backlights, natural lights, midtones, lineart color correction and whatever bs i can try adding

Color burn too

[viscid gust]

just remember not to pantyshot

[vernal sparrow]

That's why vedal is there

[pale parrot]

Smart

[proud birch]

And then i also recommend to turn off the shadow layer to apply color burn

And turn it on later

[tall trench]

Mood tbh

Except I still need to draw linear on mine.

And guess what? While doing some, I realized some mistakes and improvements. So more time wasted on details I should've noticed earlier! :D

[proud birch]

Lolol

Sounds good

I love improvement

Btw this is what it will look like, the last wip ill do before i blitz this art

Btw the thing near the crotch is an excess clothing

Pls dont kill me mods

[turbid karma]

[urban notch]

was just practicing and it somehow turned into neuro also sloppy coloring 😅

[versed bridge]

NIce

[tall trench]

The hair ribbons look nice.

[wise stone]

This one has a chance of getting bonk.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/909932831684321321/1274378300432846892/646147317598126080.gif

[tall trench]

Man... There goes my drawing idea.

[versed bridge]

It is what it is

[crystal juniper]

trying to not proscanate and get around drawing a new avatar

[glacial estuary]

im in hand hell

[turbid karma]

try to use photo as reference

[glacial estuary]

hmm

[wary briar]

Yeah and always break down to simple shapes like cubes and cilinders

If you can draw those then you can draw a hand, you got this

[glacial estuary]

i got this

[crystal juniper]

you got this!

added "naughty shoulder" to my avatar or whatever it's called... "oops other side of my hoodie is falling off a bit"

[crimson comet]

day 16

[crystal juniper]

drew a big catbell with heart symbol shaped opening

[pastel knot]

I'd also suggest using real life photos for studies

[glacial estuary]

i did

[pastel knot]

I actually have an image that you might find useful

I'll send it when I'm home

[glacial estuary]

You do? Well im not drawing now so its cool, i can wait

[crystal juniper]

it can't be understated enough but... learn in a way you find enjoyable... there are more ways than one to learn to draw... including anatomy... it affects negatively affects learning process if you try to force yourself use methods you don't like

[glacial estuary]

i think it will be a while before i find a way to draw hands my way lmao

[crystal juniper]

I have heard claim many artists just tend to be overly critical about hands... or implying it anyway... because we see our hands a lot we might end up obsessing over small details... of course depending how anatomically correct you want to make them look vs stylized

[glacial estuary]

i want both\

[turbid karma]

Well, like, if you know and understand how to draw anatomically correct, it's easier to stylize. And that doesn't just apply to the hands

[crystal juniper]

we_know.gif

but yeah you got a point lol

[pastel knot]

i wouldnt call it being overly critical

hands are just inherently difficult

[crystal juniper]

yeah they are... people tend to read into what I say instead of what I'm saying... I'm merely stating we artists tend to focus so much to hands due we see them front of us so much... and it's true

[crimson comet]

ngl im content with a block with a curvy object as hands

or if im lazy just a blob will do

[proud birch]

Hands are really fun

[crystal juniper]

I agree totally that hands are really intimidating to draw first especially to tons of artists... even I tend to focus to them quite a bit trying to figure out how I like them over time... trying to strike a balance... sometimes I'm like sausage fingers are good enough XD

[pastel knot]

heres that image i mentioned

[crystal juniper]

that's such a good refernce image

[queen lintel]

Hiya I have a question about the Halloween art contest. Is simple looping animation allowed? Or is it purely illustration?

[pastel knot]

i think it looks better now

small things like this really make a difference

[crystal juniper]

looking good!

[pastel knot]

gotta start on lineart now

think im gonna roll with a g pen with this one

[crystal juniper]

had a funny thought how I could measure how feminine I draw a face to look like by drawing character as bald XD

[pastel knot]

they always start bald when im drawing

[crystal juniper]

heh... at that stage it reminds me of that bald android design with circle on side I have seen at somepoint

[elder trench]

mine as well bald naked and faceless. just a doll before everything is added

[crystal juniper]

I guess my next avatar is going to have twintails maybe... just winging the design

[tall trench]

I know it's your artstyle and it seems you have a much better foundation of anatomy than me but...

I dunno the face looks a bit too squished. Also the nose too crooked.

But maybe it's because of perspective? Correct me if I'm wrong.

[glacial estuary]

1 its all in the eye of beholder or somrthing, 2 you will always improve yourself

[pastel knot]

i'd say here its fine due to the perspective im going for

but im glad you brought it up

[boreal stump]

Good job! This is a small but significant difference

[glacial estuary]

i had ENOUHG of fingers Grrrraaah (this is a joke)

its so weiiiiird

[turbid karma]

The thumb and finger on the trigger are well done, but the rest of the fingers feel as if they are not resting on the weapon, but rather going through it

Or she's just holding it really weird

[glacial estuary]

sorry to misinform but im actually making a phone lol

[turbid karma]

lol

now thats make sense

[glacial estuary]

the joke right?

hmm i dont like it when all the fingers are in the same place as they are coming from diffrent points, it fries my brain circuts trying to comprehend it lol

like i dont know what im drawing

[turbid karma]

this is like phone?

[glacial estuary]

i just want to say fuck it and send it as it is at this point

failed layers

[turbid karma]

layer 138

[versed bridge]

damn

Do all artists just have hundreds of layers?

[turbid karma]

no..?

[glacial estuary]

i guess only the deranged once

[versed bridge]

I see

[crystal juniper]

I can spend over 20 layers to lineart it seems

XD

[turbid karma]

Meanwhile, I thought redrawing the linart four times was a lot xd

[glacial estuary]

i bag up all the layers into specific things like lineart on top and colors below

[turbid karma]

respect for systematic

[glacial estuary]

then throw every layer i dont need into trash bag

[turbid karma]

People who paint everything on one layer scare me

[glacial estuary]

they make good arts tho

experts in my eyes lol

[versed bridge]

Practically the same as traditional artists LULE

[glacial estuary]

nahh, i dont think so

i get what you mean tho

[crystal juniper]

seven hours and still not even at coloring stage of art because... I spend hours doing other things lol

[glacial estuary]

im like 5 days in lol

and i want to be done already, but i know i cant think that becasue it will waste the art piece

https://tenor.com/view/toy-story2-cleaner-you-cant-rush-art-rush-art-impatient-client-gif-20473209

[crystal juniper]

I tend to also consider details as I draw so that also adds a few hours to lineart

if I just wanted to go with don't think approach I could be done much faster I think

[pastel knot]

people do that?

[crystal juniper]

one layer people aren't even the most crazy on art community... really crazy is ms paint users who don't even use layers and make their images look like they didn't use it if they didn't show

[viscid gust]

TRIGGER DISCLIPNE NERE

[wary briar]

One layer... soo... tradicional artists?

I kinda do all of my skin in one layer

[harsh arch]

Pretty on brand for her to shoot accidentally. She's known for false positives

[pastel knot]

i dont use the g-pen much nowadays

i do gotta pick up the pace if i wanna make the art contest though

[glacial estuary]

[proud birch]

Meiw

[steady abyss]

hi yes i do that

[tall trench]

Let's play a game. Never have I ever thought drawing faces from the side would be so much painful.

[wary briar]

[tall trench]

Btw which side are you?? 🫵

[crystal juniper]

left one looks better due mouth is where it makes sense XD

[crimson comet]

but anime mouth on side profile do the right one sometimes

[versed bridge]

easier, prob

[wise stone]

Rough drawing idea

[wise stone]

the left one, cuz it's more natural. Also, I have seen one particular image of the right one and I can't unsee it.

[versed bridge]

NIce

[undone hare]

wip

[versed bridge]

Nice

[pearl wharf]

Hey, Quick question about the Halloween art contest. Are short comics okay? I was thinking of making a 3 panel comic but wasn't sure if there are any problems with that (like would the sisters get confused by it or something)

[crimson comet]

day 17

[wise stone]

Not really sure, Many work I see submitted in the drawing contests, which are in the Abandoned Archive section, are generally single piece of work for each artists. They are generally drawings and animation, not the comic. I guess not but I can't confirm for sure. You have to wait for @viscid gust to response. (The pings are intentional)

[cerulean mountain]

hey, are there many artists who post on twitter here?

[novel anvil]

Yeah

[wise stone]

I post on Twitter and many more platforms, but I don't really promote myself.

[cerulean mountain]

https://x.com/shiinareii/status/1846672917582766246?t=aDEtAzI6tKRUgT27LEwGJg&s=19

shiina | aeru studio (@shiinareii) on X

All the poor artists and creators on Twitter.

Prior to today, you could opt out of having your posts used for AI / generative training. The new amended terms and conditions have made it impossible to do so.

🫠

Twitter · Oct 16, 2024, 10:01 PM

[novel anvil]

It’s on my twitter for like portfolio(?)

[cerulean mountain]

i thought i should share it in case it hasnt been seen already

[novel anvil]

I really don’t care imo I post once in a blue moon and I just use twitter for fun

But I’ll look into it

[wise stone]

smacking lips sound crap

[crimson comet]

time for the transition

[cerulean mountain]

ive heard mixed opinions about bluesky haha

[wise stone]

I'm already step ahead

[wise stone]

It's fine for me, It's not bad, actually.

[novel anvil]

Time to start posting in my word document then

Can’t have shit in 2024

[wise stone]

If you familiar with old Twitter, you'll be adapt to Bluesky with little to no problem.

[elder trench]

Il just use pixiv if it becomes a problem

Which I already use

[wise stone]

Pixiv is.... how should I say this.
Every search is a gamble, even if you turn off every suggestive content off. The same problem I have with DeviantArt, but in Pixiv, you cannot blacklist(mute) tags/user unless you use pixiv Premium, which is monthly pay btw. It's not bad but I rarely go to art site, so I don't use the premium.

[proud birch]

Piinterest the best one nowadays

Too much nsfw in pixiv

It could numb our morals

[wise stone]

Pinterest is now plagued with AI-generated images.

So another gamble

[proud birch]

I mean its alright i usually go in ignorant

I just assume everything there as learning materials/refs

Its not morally good but sometimes ai art has insane coloring its hard to differentiate it from a pro artwork made by a real artist which is sad at the same time

[wise stone]

But even that is not that helpful. Remember that AI can get it wrong too, that's why I feel off by their presents. I'm only use Pinterest for something really specific like historical art made by that person in that style, or the building that built by that architect and has a clear date and record.

[proud birch]

Interesting

Okay i mean for example

This is ai

But theres alotof things to learn and things it does better than other artists again sadly

It steals some aspects from ASK (one of the best illustrators i know)

But i use this one as a learning material since theres tons of content to dissect

[versed bridge]

Damn

[wise stone]

Here's a thing. You might not care and that's whatever for me. But no matter what reason I search art for, I really care about the authenticity. I don't wanna feel cheated.

[proud birch]

Ohh i see thats understandable

Ive thrown away my morals a long time ago in pursuit of better art

But i do not advocate for ai art thats messed up

All ai art should have like a blatant ai tag

[tall trench]

Don't tell me... You sold your soul to the furries?

[wise stone]

Where did the furry part come from?

[tall trench]

It's an inside joke on another community I'm in.

[versed bridge]

Furry pay a lot of money for commission

[proud birch]

But some people like to self proclaim as artists without actually putting in the work for it so ye hence these stray ai arts

[proud birch]

Haha ye lol

[versed bridge]

Even their suit cost thousand

[proud birch]

Ive done tons of nsfw not only the sexual ones but yeah i probably wont continue on that

[wise stone]

Well, people can sometime lie and it's a messy situation that still remain unsolved because both AI and human's work can sometime be indistinguishable to the untrained-eyes, even trained-eyes were fooled in some occasion.

[wise stone]

Oh, I get it.
||20000 dollar furry commission incident||

[sturdy apex]

Furry money

[proud birch]

Yeah ngl if you were to post a decent art at like some art server theres a 50% chance you get hit with either its stolen or its ai

[sturdy apex]

Depends on your style really

No guys calling this ai unless they're really paranoid.

[turbid karma]

The only thing you can learn here is algorithm errors

[proud birch]

I mean i can do a dissection on the ai art rn and things it does really decently, basically its a compilation of good workflows from tons of artists it probably stole from

[turbid karma]

There are so many stupid mistakes, it's impossible to list them all

[proud birch]

Yeah some ai arts are just straight rubbish

You can tell right away

Very bland coloring too

Im guessing those use moonbeam model

Moonbeam has like 90m users of ai art as a model

Its very easy to tell if something is made from moonbeam due to bad color values and funny desaturation

[tall trench]

The stockings are slightly different lengths! I caught you, faker!

[cerulean mountain]

ive been thinking of doing art/ speedpaints or smth on youtube, because it is a good platform and what not. ik instagram also had the ai thing, but atleast its disabelled, but i get the impression that feed besides reels for newly starting artists are nuked

[proud birch]

You can try yt shorts for it

[sturdy apex]

Harp

[cerulean mountain]

true, but arent they kind of crap?

[proud birch]

i recommend it if youre starting

[sturdy apex]

YouTube shorts has been failing me

[proud birch]

Interesting

I see tons of like

Zero comment zero likes speedpaint sgetting recommended

[wise stone]

Short art tutorial on yt short?

[proud birch]

Yeah those too

[cerulean mountain]

that does seem likely, i feel like yt recommends a lot of less liked posts to me anyway

[sturdy apex]

I remember watching art tutorials when I was a kid.

[versed bridge]

I've seen some pretty impressive and cute arts on short

[sturdy apex]

I only lasted 10 seconds before I got bored of watching

[proud birch]

Lolol

[sturdy apex]

I'm mostly self taught lol

[cerulean mountain]

same here, its not my thing personally, but like if it works, it works yknow

about yt shorts

[wise stone]

You and me 🤝

[versed bridge]

I also don't want to rely on tutorials and refs too LULE

[cerulean mountain]

also borzoi while youre still here i love your art

[sturdy apex]

I don't know how to properly shade though

I stuck with flat color

[proud birch]

I really recommend refs i wish i started using it earlier ngl but i can understand

[proud birch]

Thank you nostyx i have been making less arts atm due to work but i always wanna make time for it

[cerulean mountain]

ill look forward to whenever you do

[versed bridge]

Yea, but it felt like cheating for me, so I rarely or never even use refs.

[proud birch]

Haha yeah its really feels like that

Its like stealing others idea

[versed bridge]

I definitely draw better when using refs, so I stopped using ref LULE

[turbid karma]

i mean, like, how else are you gonna learn how to draw something?

[proud birch]

But a cracked art master gaslighted me it was alright to do so

[cerulean mountain]

u dont wanna draw better?

[versed bridge]

Just repeated drawing and consume some art into my brain

[sturdy apex]

Mhhh yes, drawing with your imagination.

[proud birch]

I recommend just copying some aspects of a ref

[versed bridge]

I basically just look at art to try to improve my imaginative skill LULE

[proud birch]

For example im mostly just grabbing refs for color guide

[versed bridge]

Well, I do. I just connect the drawing I vaguely remember into my brain

[wise stone]

Why? unless you wanna go on abstract mode.

[cerulean mountain]

refs are more like a study, understanding how artists you like pick colours, place colours, draw lines and stuff so you can mimic it to whatever extent u like in ur art

[versed bridge]

Just free styling

[sturdy apex]

I use this Neuro ref

[versed bridge]

Idk how to describe it, but I just see the things I wanna draw in my brain and try to do it on paper

[cerulean mountain]

does it usually go the way you want it to go?

[versed bridge]

No LULE

I can vaguely see it, my hand just can't do it

[cerulean mountain]

thats what refs are for lolol, to make them go the way you want those images in ur head to go

[versed bridge]

Definitely makes thing easier

[proud birch]

Isnt that good

[cerulean mountain]

yep it is

[versed bridge]

I usually draw a smaller refs next to the thing I wanna draw

Yea, still felt like cheating for me.

[cerulean mountain]

i wonder why

[sturdy apex]

Every artist likes to do it if they wanna draw something specific.

[versed bridge]

Well, it's really just a hobby

[proud birch]

How about busty evil

[cerulean mountain]

[sturdy apex]

Could never imagine.

[sturdy apex]

Painters must be cheating. Cause they have to look at what they're painting.

[versed bridge]

real life reference is aight

[sturdy apex]

Quite literally art started by looking at something and drawing it

[proud birch]

Its just a matter of principles and conscience and i learnt to respect how others think of art

[versed bridge]

Yea, I'm looking inside my brain and drawing it LULE

[wise stone]

You need ref regardless if you wanna draw the thing you wanna draw to be an autual thing. Learning to draw by just the glance of the vague visual memory is not gonna help that much. Also you hand needs learning to coordinate what your brain wanna do too.
No matter how wild and fantastic your imaginations are, you cannot draw something that doesn't exist. You need references to imitate your conceptual imagination.

[proud birch]

Its not rare to find artists who are not a fan of refs

[versed bridge]

I don't hate it, I just prefer to not use it as much

[proud birch]

Oh yeah i mean that, its completely fine either way actually

[undone hare]

copying ref is not equal to using ref

[wise stone]

Unless you wanna draw like Joan Miro, which is kinda cool, not gonna lie.

[undone hare]

i need to look at multiple other pictures to get the right detail for the right part

[cerulean mountain]

logically, it makes sense to use refs. but it is ultimately a personal preference

[versed bridge]

I'm not looking down at people who're using refs

[undone hare]

they say u cant draw things u havent seen

[versed bridge]

True

That's why I consume as many art as possible

[undone hare]

that is the correct way to use ref imo

[versed bridge]

Then, I will draw by trying to remember what I saw

[sturdy apex]

Can you draw evil robbing a McDonald's with a harpoon gun. Cash register included along with the right McDonald's uniform.

[proud birch]

Or you can copy a ref actually and study it, mainly the workflow

[versed bridge]

I can imagine that LULE.

[proud birch]

Tracing an art is good if youre looking to do a study

[versed bridge]

I'm just drawing for fun really

[proud birch]

Just dont claim it was yours lolol, very big mistake i see from tons of artists

[wise stone]

okie dokie 👌

[versed bridge]

Unfortunately I can barely imagine what a cash register look like and bad at drawing clothes

[undone hare]

this is when ref comes in

[versed bridge]

Real

[proud birch]

A refrigerator

[sturdy apex]

I just remembered an old drawing.

No refs at all

[wise stone]

I'm curious

[sturdy apex]

I think uhhh 2017 or sumn. (There used to be an image here)

[cerulean mountain]

damn that is old

[wise stone]

Ah, that old.

[proud birch]

Gyatt

[wise stone]

Rafie

[sturdy apex]

Lemme delete that drawing because it's cringe but yeah it's an old drawing

[proud birch]

Im surprised you can tell

Since i didnt draw the armor

[versed bridge]

The face is recognizable

[proud birch]

Ohhh pog

I was worried it doesnt look like him at all

[sturdy apex]

Hmmm I probably need to draw a different fennec fox. I can't stay fennekin

[wise stone]

Face, hair, sword (Visual clue)
birthday cake (Time clue)

[proud birch]

Ohhh

[wise stone]

Draw the Retsuko's co-worker who is Fennec fox too.

[sturdy apex]

Oh I'm talking about something I can use as an avatar

Nintendo doesn't like people soo

[wary briar]

[tall trench]

Good but I wouldn't use it too much if I were you.

[sturdy apex]

Y

[tall trench]

We already know Neuro is going to be updated. And while her core appearance won't change much, some proportions and details are going to be touched.

If you look at this channel's pinned messages, there's some later references you can check out.

[sturdy apex]

I mean, it's not gonna matter much when I literally draw neuro like this.

[tall trench]

Don't discredit yourself. You'll go a long way and having the most accurate references will help.

[wise stone]

The latest one is not like out yet. So we just stick with her current model one.

Also, if you think the drawing you made looks like Neuro and everyone see it as Neuro, Your work accomplished your goal

Precise accurately is not that much of a big deal.

[crystal juniper]

yup but I noticed she got two mouths https://puu.sh/KgWUM/4d1f1a4c77.png

lol discord... reply function just failed

[boreal stump]

Its a reference for 10s anime

[worn briar]

that's actually a good shorthand

sidemouth is anime style so it gets a pass

[viscid gust]

Comics are 100% fine!

[crystal juniper]

hmm, found even tv tropes page pointing this out... now my memory is telling me I have seen it before too https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CheekyMouth

[viscid gust]

Sorry for the delay!

[worn briar]

it's in the same vein as shock marks or speed lines

or even the infamous anger tickmark

[viscid gust]

Comics are fine, videos are fine, gifs are fine, 3D is fine

[crystal juniper]

thing is... anger tickmark doesn't distract etc when you pay attention to it... I recall that I have seen this kind of lips at edge style a lot but it didn't look bad because... first of all it was part of some footage and I didn't directly pay attention to that specific detail XD

regardless in that image posted earlier I prefer left character's mouth style but I get that right one is considered more budget style and fine too

[worn briar]

irl the anger tickmark would be a very VERY bad sign

[wise stone]

what?

[worn briar]

aneurysm

[wise stone]

Oh, yikes

[wary briar]

😠 💢

[worn briar]

[wise stone]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZeHmdJnny4

[elder trench]

i eagerly clicked the video knowing what sound was going to play only for my wireless headset to not be conected. that was really disapointing

[pastel knot]

i love when i draw the perfect line and i reflexively undo and start a new line so its lost forever

[worn briar]

draw it again

[crystal juniper]

I separate some lineart to its own layer despite... not then using the particular lineart

it's that "I might need it later" thing despite not making remotely any sense

[worn briar]

honestly that's just good sense

[crystal juniper]

would be in a case I had actual remote use for them... it's more like digital hoarding

[elder trench]

holy shit my life flashed infront of my eyes as photosop crashed. luckily i had saved like 5 min ago but christ that was scarry

[tall trench]

I use CSP and never had the thing crash luckily.

[elder trench]

i have a pirated version of photosop (cant be asked to pay adobe money). i would have only used csp as well but i prefer the brush engine in photsop, still i like to switch between the two since they both suports .psd format

its like csp is so close to just be the ultimate drawing program

[wary briar]

[elder trench]

rum, it does not taste like childrens drink

[crystal juniper]

fellow photoshop user

glad to know I'm not the only "crazy" person doing anime art with it XD

[pastel knot]

photoshop is great for art youre not crazy

[elder trench]

i have nothing against photosop, its an amazing software and drawing with it is amazing. its just an enterprice software and they tend to be on the buggier side of things. like i have solddesk and solidwords both industry programs costing hundreds of euros, and they still have loads of bugs and crashes.

[pastel knot]

i have a very deep hatred for adobe though

ive wanted to try photoshop for drawing but cant get my tablet to work with it

[elder trench]

i have a seathing hatred for autodesk as they ruined fusion 360 which was one of the best and sleekest cad programs out there and was free

[crystal juniper]

it's just that in terms of drawing in anime style I have noticed photoshop is not something people tend to push on as recommended tool... so it's somewhat rare at least personally to see it being used for it

[elder trench]

its just because its expensive. thats why you see a lot of people use krita and csp. photosop is an industry software and is used to make a lot of amazing anime art, dont confuse what people say online with reality. like i think anny use photoshop for drawing

[pastel knot]

i was gonna say that too

the sub is ass

tbh if procreate had a desktop app it could compete with PS and CSP

[elder trench]

fax

[pastel knot]

i wanna get an ipad to draw on the move

but the thought of giving apple money is icky

[elder trench]

i would just get an ipad. for as much i dislike apple i have never had anything but an iphone. also i dont thing the ipad air or whatever is needed is terribly expensive either

compared to their other producte

[pastel knot]

maybe i could buy a used one

tori.fi (finnish ebay) is pretty good for stuff like that

i found a 1000€ kamvas there for 450€

[elder trench]

i bought my huion on finn (the norwegian ebay)

for like 100 euros

[pastel knot]

i can prolly sell my old one to make almost all of that back

[elder trench]

what model is it

[tall trench]

It's not about the program. It's about your ability to efficiently use it.

[pastel knot]

its a kamvas 22 pro (2019)

[tall trench]

I've seen great art come from Paint.

[elder trench]

have been looking at upgrading from the 13 to 16 pro

[pastel knot]

finding good deals like this is dangerously addictive

i have a camera gimbal that i just about never use because i found it for really cheap

i do photography on occasion though

[elder trench]

ms pain artist are cracked tho

[tall trench]

I have one of these

[elder trench]

i have 3 of those all from different brands only to find out at the 3 purchase that i hated them

[pastel knot]

16 pro looks nice

prolly what id get if i didint find the other one

2.5k resolution is the main thing i wanted

[tall trench]

I'm convinced they do it out of boredom. Maybe they're trying to feel something in their numb, yet creative, hearts or something. Lmao

[elder trench]

add to that with a mouse only

[elder trench]

im salevating over that and is so close to pulling the trigger. its just that the 13 is that to small really

[pastel knot]

i can give you a review of the 2.5k once i get mine

[elder trench]

please do

[pastel knot]

oh i can probably also take comparison pics

since i have a 1920x1080 rn

[elder trench]

oooo nice

actually i havent really been bothered by the 1080p of mine

but and upgrade is not something i would say no to

[pastel knot]

its purely a luxury thing for me

i wanna see details even zoomed out

tbh drawing monitors as a whole are luxury

you really dont need one

but its damn nice to have it

[elder trench]

true that

feel like i could never have done art withouht it tho

[tall trench]

Drawing tablets are for professionals only.

And by that I mean as a luxury only a well paid artist could justify.

[elder trench]

real chads use the mouse and monitor and ms paint

[tall trench]

Because otherwise, just use a cheap huion OSU players love to buy.

[tall trench]

Those aren't Chads. They are maniacs.

[pastel knot]

i got mine a while back when i wasnt really even that good at art

i dont really make money off of it either

its an expensive hobby for me

[tall trench]

Imagine getting commissions.

[elder trench]

one can dream

[pastel knot]

i did actually get one comm request not too long ago

[tall trench]

You will find moots on Xitter and you WILL do art trades first. :)

[pastel knot]

i saw fit to turn them down

[tall trench]

what

[sturdy apex]

[pastel knot]

[turbid karma]

why i googled that...

[pastel knot]

ive followed deuyi for a long time now and the explosion in growth i saw them go through once they started doing nsfw is crazy

[tall trench]

Furries are either suspiciously rich or broke. Rarely in-between.

[elder trench]

and in IT

[sturdy apex]

I'm broke lmao

[tall trench]

Eyyy

[elder trench]

me to, but its just because im an aprentice now

id rather not imagine that

[pastel knot]

it prolly would be good for me to try and get some money from art

but i also would rather not work 2 jobs

[viscid gust]

please dont talk about Sus art comms and requests in the art thread

[pastel knot]

oh my bad

[wary briar]

[pastel knot]

will do

[viscid gust]

mind cleaning up?
not a convo for the server

[elder trench]

[wary briar]

Want to do furry art in the future

Awesome ofc

can get a lot of money

[elder trench]

i would maybe try, a huge maybe and just for fun

[wary briar]

That would be great to draw some pokemon too

[elder trench]

[elder trench]

1 or 2?
what should i "develope" into a full outfit. both are not finished and im just sketching

[turbid karma]

if you want a cuter outfit, then option two

[elder trench]

the problem is, i dont know what i want. if i want like the more spicey or the more cutesy

[turbid karma]

Judging by the pose, I'd say you want cutesy

[elder trench]

then il go with that

now i just have to get better at drawing frills

[turbid karma]

I don't know why, but I get the image of Evil portraying a “kinda” scary vampire girl, but looking cute instead

[elder trench]

well the cutesy image is based on a vampire constume from my dress up darling

[turbid karma]

lol

[elder trench]

il not be faithfull to the refference since the panties are rather on the bad side

[turbid karma]

I'm designing rn a dress based on the Lilith look from Diablo 4

I don't know much about the game or the lore, but i really like the atmosphere

[elder trench]

i have never played or interacted with tha game, but looking at google its a coold design

kinda wanted to originally go with an overly gothic type of design for the outfit

[turbid karma]

yeah, me too

[elder trench]

more deus vult than what im doing now

[tall trench]

@viscid gust Mr mod man this is an important question.

Do spats count as a panty shot?

[viscid gust]

no

[tall trench]

We're back on track boys 😎

[proud birch]

Xp pen tablets are the best value ones

Theyre like $10-$15

[crystal juniper]

I get the sentiment that especially big ones can be bit pricey like wacom ones but one should least get entry level cheap one at first because it's so different from practicing with being good with mouse... next best thing is physical paper over the mouse if one plans to be digital artist and transfer that practice...

that said I still use mouse too at times, it depends... I find some things pain to butt with drawing tablet if there are bunch of functionalities on, causing a lot of unintended commands getting into way... like gesture detections and stuff like that but that's part of why they tend to be customizable on software side

[viscid gust]

https://estore.wacom.com/en-us/wacom-one-pen-tablet.html?Choose Tablet=CTC6110WLW1A
i use this bad boy right here

the medium one

its not super expensive but not super cheap

but by god does it work well

[open flint]

I have a big Xp pen screen tablet. It doubles as my 2nd monitor

[brittle fern]

man i really should stop getting distracted by sparking zero and get back to sketching

[urban notch]

added another and shadows

[wise stone]

I don't know why, but she looks like a southern USA farmer girl to me.

[urban notch]

oh really? lol

[versed bridge]

Because of the oversized hoody?

[wise stone]

I dunno, but my mind thought of this.

[wise stone]

My mind think of this when I see that Yohanss' drawing.

[versed bridge]

I see

[wise stone]

If you're perplexed, me too. Cuz I don't understand as well. But that's the first thing come to my mind

[urban notch]

hmm... Either way you gave me another outfit idea I can draw neuro in, so thanks 🫡

[wise stone]

👌

[crystal juniper]

1. exercise
2. draw
3. go to bed before morning in theory

[wary briar]

Just saw that 2Pfrog is back

[wise stone]

I saw them too

[wary briar]

hope he is alright

[versed bridge]

He's back watching forsen and Neuro :FeelsStrongMan:

[tall trench]

I belive it's because of the thicker pigtails and less animu face.

[wary briar]

bro whats going on with mobile discord, it doest even load anything anymore

[wise stone]

It's mobile Discord shenanigan. It prones to has some error occurring time to time.

[crimson comet]

a bit late

[elder trench]

@viscid gust do i need something beneath the bib/top here

[viscid gust]

I’m going to say yes

If you had planned on uploading this with just the bib

[versed bridge]

Nice

[elder trench]

okay just checking. its still a rough sketch and the refference i used dont have it so il just need to addit.

[viscid gust]

It’s like the naked apron thing but like, even more sexual as it is

[elder trench]

nearly non existen panties i thought it wise to crop that out alto it is cute. plan was to add a skirt and top to keep it pg

[viscid gust]

As a sidenote (even though you’re going to have to change it anyways), if she’s not wearing any sort of brassiere here, her chest shouldn’t be that tightly bound together I think they should be sagging a bit more and maybe even pointing in opposite directions

[elder trench]

would it sag for flat as well, like i see what you mean

[viscid gust]

She’s not totally flat, so it would here.
If she was a bra size or two smaller? I think they might be still pointing in different directions a bit but they certainly wouldn’t be sagging

Excess bust comes with a bit of weight to them

A bra is what normally holds them high like that

Tighter clothing can also accomplish that

As it stands, though, and this picture specifically, the apron is more draped over them than anything

Not offering any sort of support

[elder trench]

i know im a girl

[versed bridge]

I see

[viscid gust]

Oh didn’t even know that :o

[elder trench]

i try to keep it rather neutral online. i dont like people assuming im either really just that im a person online.

[viscid gust]

fair

I just like being respectful and using proper pronouns

[elder trench]

hehe i dont care really. you can use whatever you like for me

[versed bridge]

:forsenOkay: reasonable

[tall trench]

Yo I like the hands.

Though the thumbs could be just a tad longer. The upper knuckle that is.

[elder trench]

thanks, and when you mention it yeah it can be a tad bit longer. now i cant unsee it

[urban notch]

I try to do animu but when i switch between traditional and digital i feel like my style changes 😅

Example from today

[wary briar]

Practicing on paper is always good

[crystal juniper]

I would prefer different kind of paper lol... interesting choice

[tall trench]

I hope you didn't interpret my comment as an insult. I think your style is lovely.

It's just that when comparing you with other artists here, especially Anny, yours don't exaggerate the anime characteristics as much.

AKA big eyes, large face, smaller proportions etc.

[crystal juniper]

better or worse this describes my preferred art style

[urban notch]

Don't worry I didn't see it as an insult! It's good to see a different perspective. And your comments makes sense. I generally use real photos than anime drawings when I practice. Even though I would like my style to lean a little more towards anime style 😅

[crystal juniper]

some people do stuff like use celebrity photos to draw over them as their anime version by just changing details like eye sizes... you're probably doing that but it's helpful to push yourself to change details like eye sizes... just experiment with it

[elder trench]

honestly i have tried to use real people as refferences but iv nevever gotten it to work. il stick with anime bodies as that is what im going for

[turbid karma]

You only need to enlarge the eyes, reduce nose and mouth, the proportions of the rest of the body parts can even be left unchanged (only if you don't need any particular physique or height)

[elder trench]

does this work, like style wise

[turbid karma]

what is style wise?

[elder trench]

goth lolitaish

[turbid karma]

oh

[elder trench]

just relly wandering if like elemtns in it clash

because last thing i drew felt like victorian era and modern summer

[turbid karma]

and that pink line art around the body is some sort of translucent fabric?

[elder trench]

[tall trench]

Also, guys. You have any tips to avoid same-face syndrome?

[turbid karma]

I think so, but I'd like to add a bow in that area, and I also suggest you do a little tweaking around the hips

[elder trench]

was planing on adding a bow or something. and il fix aroudn the hips as well. thanks

[elder trench]

try to make different facial expressions and eye forms

[wary briar]

i guess different types of hair and eyes, other things like nose and mouth in anime style are soooo simplified it's basically the same for all characters

you can change the structure of the head too, make it sharper and long, or more rounded and tiny

[tall trench]

Thx for the inputs. That's one thing I dislike about pure-anime style. The simplifications can lead to sameness.

[elder trench]

i also feel like body posture also has a lot to do with how the face commes of, it can add more emotion to a character withouht having to change up the face that much

[tall trench]

I don't know if it's noticeable but in my arts, I try to do a more mixed style like more defined noses, epicanthic folds when close to the camera, more detailed mouths etc.

[elder trench]

huh epicanthic folds is a new word for me

[turbid karma]

btw, I'd like to point out that you're making rapid visible progress in your arts, you're doing great, keep it up

[elder trench]

thank you so much. i have noticed that i have gotten better and one one hand i love it but on the other i feel like more preassured to improve from my last drawing. but its fun

[wary briar]

[tall trench]

You get a little smarter everyday.

[elder trench]

true that

[untold trench]

I’m not quite sure who this is but I drew her

[elder trench]

rem

super cute btw

[sturdy apex]

Ohh rem

[untold trench]

Who’s Rem?

[untold trench]

Thanks lol, your drawings are really cute too

[elder trench]

the blue haired girl from re:zero (i have never watched it but she is quite the iconic anime character)

[sturdy apex]

I used to be obsessed with her.

Rem was really what I would call my waifu at that time.

[untold trench]

ahh I was actually making a specific reference to something that happened in the show but thanks anyways lol

[sturdy apex]

Thanks for the trauma btw

[elder trench]

oh, welp i havent seen it and dont plan to see it all because of the god awfull boring mc and the plot seeming to be rather dry

[untold trench]

np

[elder trench]

anyhow its getting late. night guys

[sturdy apex]

Some fun fact. I was crying my eyes out when I heard ram say that.

[sturdy apex]

Night

[untold trench]

Night

[untold trench]

O

[sturdy apex]

I don't think there will be another anime character making me wanna cry

[tall trench]

Guys I just had an idea for an art piece.

That may just thread the grey line for mods bonking me.

[sturdy apex]

Yeah?

[tall trench]

Give me like an hour.

[sturdy apex]

Alright

[viscid gust]

you can just ask u kno

[tall trench]

I wanna keep it a surprise.

Though I'm not dumb enough to actually post something risqué.

I'll still ask just in case when I'm finishing it.

[crystal juniper]

terrento is really cooking

[tall trench]

K it's done.

Apparently I cooked too hard I need mods' seal of approval.

[sturdy apex]

Man's cooking lol.

[tall trench]

Sorry guys I let you down 😔

[sturdy apex]

I do wonder what you did though.

[crystal juniper]

maybe cooking started to turn corn

[tall trench]

I could just say but I still wanna keep it a surprise.

[sturdy apex]

We'll never know

[crystal juniper]

chances are it's something like pineapple on pizza level

[tall trench]

I'm gonna get fucking banned in that case.

[crystal juniper]

I mean it depends... typically when pineapple is considered bad on pizza it's added after heating... that's crazy... but add it before and... it's actually tasty when done properly

[sturdy apex]

I hate pineapple on pizza.

[viscid gust]

its more of an unknown area rather than cooking too hard

im waiting for other mods to chat about it but its a bit late in the day

[sturdy apex]

Is it that cooked that it needs the council for this?

[tall trench]

I'm on a 5-star Michelin trial.

[versed bridge]

👍

[tall trench]

Btw your hair rendering is out of this world.

The lineart too aaaaaah

[brittle fern]

^

Oh wait

[versed bridge]

I wish I can draw that proportion one day

[proud birch]

Thank youits actually just a bunch of nonsense that kinda works?

I assure you theres zero thought for every hair stroke i make

[tall trench]

You're definitely on the right path nonetheless.

Also I just noticed. Shouldn't the neck be more centralized with the torso? Rn it looks a bit too back. Sorry if I didn't make sense.

[proud birch]

Oh yeah those are

Trapezius

The neck is the yellow the flap is trapezius foreshortened

I forgot to draw the lineart for the neck line lol

I usually use this oroportion line, 1 is neck center front, 2 is the spine

I hope it helps

[versed bridge]

Probably a perspective thing

[tall trench]

Ah that must've been it.

Shows how untrained my eye still is. Lol

[open flint]

My iPad Pro is finally starting to fail me. Got it when it released and now the battery is tanking hard.

After 20-30 min of procreate it goes from 100% to 50%

[wise stone]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-gif-22385572

I'm definitely making someone mad with this.

[crystal juniper]

morning... kind of

being an artist has been making me so happy lately

[versed bridge]

Nice :forsenOkay:

[crystal juniper]

this place is genuinely educational about the subject which is also nice

[elder trench]

iv lernt more here than anywhere else

[crystal juniper]

I keep getting reminded of bob ross... he's so right about not doing much to make it look like you did so much more when it comes to art... depending of approach anyway... just scrape a few lines and they look like twigs

[elder trench]

for me its more about learning to not overcomplicate things and obsessing over perfection

[crystal juniper]

haha same here... I have mentally been like "good enough" with lineart XD

[elder trench]

not that i dont try to make cleanish lineart, but a mistake here and there isnt whats going to be what makes my drawing look bad

[crystal juniper]

yeah I agree

it becomes part of intuition... you just "know"

art isn't trivial to vast majority of people when they start but on hindsight once you learn a new trick it feels so trivial on retrospect on personal level... and it's often quite simple, like a magic trick... explanation can be depending of person a bit of letdown "so, I used this gradient brush and made a few strokes... done" XD

[elder trench]

its often simple like that, there was a time i thought brush packs was what was going to help me out but the more i have lernt the more i have fallen in love with the simple brushes that is in photoshop. like the hard round pressure size brush is really versistile

[crystal juniper]

I agree so damn much with this

I also fell to whole "I need fancy brushes" thing before I did cut back XD

[elder trench]

the wors part is how versitile the round pressure brush is. everything from colouring inn to shading and lineart

[crystal juniper]

yeah

I feel like a lot of art videos that actually give good advice seems to be about just use round brush and then there are ones that try to push their paid custom brushes

[versed bridge]

By brush you mean physical brush, not digital?

[elder trench]

digital

[versed bridge]

Ah ok

I thought you guys were talking about oil painting LULE

[elder trench]

that is not onlt to expensive for me but i dont have the patience for it and its actually dark arts in my mind

[versed bridge]

Those paint and canvas are pretty expensive

[elder trench]

unreal prices, i have a aunt who does art profesionally and its insane how she manages to pay for it all

[versed bridge]

I'm gonna stick to pencil and paper

[elder trench]

that is a lot cheaper

[proud birch]

Round brush is so good

Its basically like 5 different brushes in one honestly

It can be fade brush, airbrush, the texture brush etc

Sketch brush

[crystal juniper]

digital brushes despite their name are so different from physical brushes... I mean, not many physical brushes that just draw leaves as you make a line XD

it's obvious of course but yeah... I would have a whole set of various brushes if it was physical medium that I would regularly use

[proud birch]

Frr

[crystal juniper]

having physical brush that would just somehow change its shape as needed would be so cool sci-fi kind of technology

[crimson comet]

day 19

you can prob feel the vibes lmao

[wary briar]

[elder trench]

lemiguess its your days?

[pastel knot]

doing effects like this is really fun

[steady abyss]

the line art is so clean its crazy

[pastel knot]

thanks

[wary briar]

[elder trench]

its so pretty

[versed bridge]

Nice

[crimson comet]

ye

[elder trench]

yay

[crimson comet]

9 is still my favourite

[elder trench]

i wish i had the dedication and skill to do that every day

[crimson comet]

holy shit the vibe is nice

[crimson comet]

i beliv

[elder trench]

i feel like the 9 and 14 works really well. they feel so atmosphereic with the lighting

[crimson comet]

and 11

i should do more of these honestly

the dark atmosphere stuff

it looks nice

[elder trench]

true. i think like black and white shading sometimes look better than coloured. like mangashading

[crimson comet]

wait

you gave me an idea

lemme try throw in halftones on the 9th

[elder trench]

[crimson comet]

not the worst

[crystal juniper]

yup... I like that kind of contrast for my shading... instead of just making darker I tend to make around neck just black... it's also convenient from artistic standpoint to have viewer fill in details to make sense of it lol

[pastel knot]

looks like im gonna have to get some kind of background going

this aint gonna work

[elder trench]

pretty cool

[elder trench]

well its more half tone shading i like. instead of either pitch black or white you get a greyscale from halftone paper

[crimson comet]

[tall trench]

Men, I've come back from the dead and mods gave the green sign.

[elder trench]

[tall trench]

Here

Wish I could've gone for a more dynamic pose but I'm still learning

[elder trench]

it still looks great

[versed bridge]

Nice

[turbid karma]

lol, it's just a bare back, from the descriptions I thought it was something censored

I was planning similar art with Evil and tattoos

[tall trench]

Yeah I overhyped this. Lmao

[elder trench]

was planning on doing back as well but then i remebered that i have zero idea how to even aproach it and put it of for another day

[sturdy apex]

I think tattoos would look great here lol. Reminds me of Yakuza a bit.

[viscid gust]

https://i.imgur.com/ufJsTrf.png new official Anny art to pin for refs

[elder trench]

[tall trench]

Nooo Neuro is pure she would never!

[elder trench]

i feel like evil would be the one of the two to get a tattoo only to deeply regrett it later
add to that a tiny one you cant see

[turbid karma]

gets a small tattoo as a teenage protest and a way of self-expression.
a yakuza leader with tattoos all over her body and hides it under her clothes

[elder trench]

reminds me of my little sister who randomly got a tattoo at 17

[tall trench]

Then we wonder who truly is the evil twin

[elder trench]

question of the ages

[crystal juniper]

evil neuro tries to look like a punk or something but goes to church every sunday, donates to charities, etc... other hand neuro-sama puts up this "perfect front" and secretly leads the underworld

[elder trench]

@viscid gust as i have understood it we cant submit art that we have posted on the discord for the haloweene event. does that mean that you dont want us posting the art on other sites as well

[viscid gust]

You can post it wherever including the discord

You’ve seen very little of it because I don’t think a lot of people have joined in the competition yet

[elder trench]

ohhhh

i see

i thought i was kinda late

and didnt know i could post it beforehand

[viscid gust]

Do whatever lol

Personally I just hope more people submit. People tend to wait until the very last second to upload their art, so I look at the very few submissions and I get nervous

[elder trench]

hehe, then il submit in advance

also im almost done with my lineart, it took shorter time than expected

[wary briar]

Cuute

[brittle fern]

adorable as always

[elder trench]

almost done wiht my lineart i think. missing some bits here and there and stuff. feels very evil

[white bison]

Nice lineart, looks clean

[elder trench]

thanks, i tried something new and it worked rather well

[white bison]

Looking forward to the finished work 👍

[elder trench]

me to

[tall trench]

I love the way you drew the face.

You're improving rather quickly it's kinda scary lol

[elder trench]

it is, because i have kinda impostor syndrome about this. it feels undeserved in a way because i have just used lots of refferences. like you would not believe what the face is based of

i also feel like i still have a lot, and i mean a lot to learn before i would call myself good

like i know basic anatomy but not enough to be proficient with it

[tall trench]

An artist's biggest critic is himself. It's good for you to keep pushing yourself but don't discredit yourself too much.

[crystal juniper]

on the upside of impostor syndrome is that experiencing it means one is skilled at what they're doing relating to it

[elder trench]

i know but its so hard, its kinda a problem i have in general. i kinda hate how i cant give myself enough creddit

i hate having it, getting praised at work feels awfull because of a lot of reasons, like i dont feel qualified

[crystal juniper]

so true... I think it's like spectrum when it comes to that stuff like... some had it stronger than others... I would find it odd if some artist claimed they haven't ever felt it to some extent lol XD

[wary briar]

[elder trench]

i have been working on it tho

❤️ thanks for the praise and all that