Artist General

[hushed jungle]

its not bad fwiw

well, for the price it is

but, that aside, its a good product

[drowsy hinge]

Ipad deosnt need an M3 chip

[hushed jungle]

its just, if youre an experienced digital artist, you could likely do with something higher performance that can handle a more diverse workload, or is more optimised for your pace
if youre a beginner, dont just toss 1.5k USD at hardware for a discipline youre just starting, get a $20 osu tablet you use with your laptop and explore your options
if you need the portability, to use it literally anywhere, just remember, the sun beats down on its screen, and its not waterproof

[drowsy hinge]

An ipad is arguably worth the prise material wise

But practicalty wise defininitly not

[hushed jungle]

its marked up out the arse

[drowsy hinge]

The latest gen ipad is marked up but not to that crazy of a level from what ive seen

[drowsy hinge]

This is mostly because they decided to give it realy high prossecing

[hushed jungle]

they typically cost 700ish to manufacture

[drowsy hinge]

They dont need that

Its a fucking ipad

[drowsy hinge]

Yeah but this is also where there premiering a new flagship chipset

Mb ive been saying M3 i meant M4

I dont think your ipad needs a 9C cpu at all

Its an ipad what are you doing with it? CG?

[hushed jungle]

700+ 350 for R&D + 100 for overhead = 200 profit

thats very generous for R&D

like very generous

[drowsy hinge]

Thats pretty good

[hushed jungle]

im being very liberal with R&D and Overhead

[drowsy hinge]

(For the record i dont like apple)

(I think there products are all vastly subpar)

(But you also have to understand that merely hating something deosnt mean i cant/shouldnt view them objectively)

[hushed jungle]

i think the ipads are apples only good product cuz the competitors are also around the same level

[drowsy hinge]

IOS sucks tho

Just get an android tablet

[hushed jungle]

but i think the whole thing is shit for drawing anyway

both android and ios

[drowsy hinge]

Ipads have procreate

[hushed jungle]

i had a drawing laptop

[drowsy hinge]

Thats like the biggest arguement for it

[hushed jungle]

lenovo

[drowsy hinge]

Are those any good?

[hushed jungle]

wacom made display tablet for a screen

[hushed jungle]

theyre alright

had the ability to run the softwares i needed

stylus it came with was shit but you can get a diff stylus

[drowsy hinge]

I need a stylus or smtn like that for half decent digital art lol (im not the best artist)

[hushed jungle]

i ended up just not vibing with it that hard cuz keyboard shortcuts

i need the

m

elsewise im a lot slower

plus ive gotten used to screenless tablets

if youre used to screenless tablets, you go SO MUCH FASTER than your screened brethren

[drowsy hinge]

Ive seen those they look realy cool i just think my hand eye co ordination would take like a week to adjust

[hushed jungle]

it takes longer than a week

it took me a while to get used to it

but its about the fastest input method to digital drawing if pace is important for you

i did work on a per project basis so i didnt get paid more for spending more time on a project

so working at my typical fast pace is important to me

i actually used osu to help me get used to it believe it or not @drowsy hinge

[undone hare]

i think my submission is done, can i post it or do i have to wait after voting?

[hushed jungle]

no fecking clue, i should take part bu lazy

[strange dust]

you guys were talking about food so much I was surprised thinking it was about the fruit but I like your stance

[drowsy hinge]

Not shocked that sounds like it would work haha

[drowsy hinge]

I mean regular apples are meh

[hushed jungle]

it helps a lot

but also it means that whenever im doing work and a song i know from osu comes on i go into overdrive and draw super fast

[drowsy hinge]

Green apples and specific cooled apples that have this crisp are top tier. I forget what the 2nd ones called

[drowsy hinge]

wait it genuinely makes you faster lol

[hushed jungle]

unironically yes

idk why

but it does

[strange dust]

fuck at this point I can't be 100% sure which one you're talking about

[hushed jungle]

i think its a neurological thing, like osu PTSD

the moment i hear like any song from kano

*NYOOM

[drowsy hinge]

Yes

[drowsy hinge]

Ptsd is crazy

[hushed jungle]

i do get faster tho

its pretty funny to me

im not gonna pretend to know why my brain does that but i draw fast

when osu song

google thinks im dutch

or sm

[wispy storm]

fellow artists how to get motivation

[tidal cosmos]

This might help #mod-announcements message

Just go to the original post I think

Yes there's a doc to send it to

[undone hare]

yea i sibmitted it to the google doc

[tidal cosmos]

[undone hare]

what i ment is to post it in general

[tidal cosmos]

Good luck and may the fumo comes into ur hands

[tidal cosmos]

Maybe after

[undone hare]

i see

ty!

[tidal cosmos]

[hushed jungle]

pipe a european

[tidal cosmos]

Draw scribbles

[wise stone]

Some have different way to get motivated. But for me is to manage my time and find out what to do outside of your usual habit, like going for a walk, socialize with others in irl, stop and take your time to seeing the outside.
But the one I suggest to do is minimize the screen time.

Sounds ironic, but it somewhat helps.

[tidal cosmos]

kinda like how it turned out

[robust sleet]

Its officially a month now since I started digital drawing and what would be better than remaking an old art I did

[proud birch]

Trying a realistic skin render

Without the brown thing i added i swear this is just gonna go straight to zeppelin

[untold trench]

I drew neuro

[proud birch]

Cute lineart

[supple palm]

can I post my work somewhere else which I gonna use for the contest?

[viscid gust]

You are certainly allowed to, but we are going to be revealing all the art pieces at the same time so that the community can vote on them once the deadline comes. If you want your art to be fresh and new when the whole server sees it, you might want to wait.

I apologize for the late response

[modern pier]

@viscid gust wanna see one of my favorite Artfight attacks I made?

[viscid gust]

Sure

[west dragon]

We ballin

[strange dust]

I heard money is the greatest motivation
can't confirm don't have any ||money||
but see person above

[viscid gust]

[wary briar]

Cute neur dress

[hushed jungle]

money shit motivation

commissions sucked the passion for art out of me

[viscid gust]

i love it so far

[steady abyss]

doing something artistic you're passionate about for money just makes it suck

[hushed jungle]

you can be passionate about something and work it

and it be fun

but overall my experience, it was pretty draining

and i had EXCELLENT clients and worked for amazing studios

i didnt have any nightmare clients or nightmare bosses

it still was exhausting tho

[steady abyss]

yeah, you have to worry much more about the quality and its very draining

[hushed jungle]

nah its not that either

if anything, commissioned art wasnt as good as my own art because my clients had way lower standards than i do for myself

im a very experienced artist, i see the dozens of small flaws they dont

[steady abyss]

whenever i do a commission i worry about not doing good enough and its just draining

[hushed jungle]

eh, i dont

honestly ive had clients stop me from finishing the art cuz they were already so happy with it

i sent the WIP

they were like "DUDE THATS AWESOME"

[steady abyss]

i hate when i do this, especially on my own older works

[hushed jungle]

paid the full price which they were supposed to send after i was done

and i was like, sweet

and they were really happy with it so i touched up the WIP and off it went

nah the main thing is that i stopped drawing because i wanted to draw and it just became a job

drawing was reserved for when i needed cash, i did other hobbies as hobbies

[steady abyss]

thats kinda what it had become for me to make 3d models (what i was doing for commissions) and ive kinda since stopped doing them

it just started to feel like a job and wasnt fun

[hushed jungle]

but hey

if bills need paying

id rather draw than sort amazon packages

i just happen to be privileged enough to have other opportunities and the capital to pursue them

[wary briar]

Huge headache rn but almost done

[hushed jungle]

nice

[viscid gust]

Don’t forget you can take your time if you need to! We did increase the deadline by one week

[wary briar]

[languid wasp]

Looks wonderful ❤️

[viscid gust]

Quick doodle number 5 of 7

Wasnt that great but I wanted to try a different angle than im used to. Maybe would have looked better if I detaled lips at all, idk. Forgot to crop it too, whoops lmao

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Quick doodle number 6 of 7

wanted to be RELALY speedy with this one. I'm starting to realize im getting WORSE at drawing eyes. Might need to finally buckle down and look up guides instead of feeling this one out.

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and there we go
caught up

[supple palm]

I got it, thank you!

[viscid gust]

Good luck, by the way!

[proud birch]

Guys just sharing my eye tutorial i hope it helps

[tidal cosmos]

Ooooo

Thanks borzoi

[signal bobcat]

draw with friends— and by friends i mean, join us here

no competition, no stress, just draw

you're probably better than me anyways

[viscid gust]

drawing with a crowd is a great idea

i was thinking of a fun activity for us to do, but I wanted to get feedback from yall

We get the names of a bunch of us, put it on a wheel, and have that person do a neuro project.

We have them post it, and then we all spend three days attempting to remake the same picture but in our own respective styles.

It was just something I was brainstorming

What yall think

[proud birch]

How about an artfight

Or gartic phone things

Oh wait thats a good idea

[white bison]

Cool idea

[viscid gust]

if we get enough people interested lets give it a go after the art comp

[proud birch]

Trying that one artists filter effect i forgot their name but they make stuff like this

Noise + chromatic abberation

[junior basin]

Should have asked this way earlier,
whats the size limit on the contest drawings

I'm on A3 right now

[latent hare]

o there is art contest

[junior basin]

mods are crying right now

[latent hare]

lol why

[junior basin]

they already extended the deadline once

[latent hare]

damn i will start from today hopefully i can make it in time even tho i suck at it

[junior basin]

check #mod-announcements message

[latent hare]

[junior basin]

(peek, guess which is evil and neuro

[viscid gust]

i really am

[viscid gust]

got some serious thigh squish on that one

Also evil on the left

100%

[tidal cosmos]

I'm having a hard time on shoulders now lul, wow before I can't even draw heads (not that I'm good at hair yet)

[junior basin]

do you know about the canvas size of the contest?

[tidal cosmos]

Right neur left wevil

[junior basin]

we'll see.

[viscid gust]

canvas size?
you can draw as big as you want, but I would suggest having it a size where it can be enjoyed via discord browser, at least, since once the drawing phase is over, the server will be voting on artwork

If I misunderstood, let me know!

[tidal cosmos]

Bro if the canvas is flipped I swear to god

Mirrored*

[junior basin]

[viscid gust]

im very happy to see so many more people discovering the event now!
I think the turnout is gonna be great for this event!

[vapid root]

Pretty.

[tidal cosmos]

@dull phoenix

[dull phoenix]

oh?

whats here

[tidal cosmos]

Ull get accustomed to krita if u use it once a day or once a week

[dull phoenix]

mans everyones art here is better than mines

mines irushed x.x

[dull phoenix]

no, i tried it 4 times

never

?>:(

[tidal cosmos]

Art related topics

Not on #neurotic-neurons cuz it's Neuro topic only

[proud birch]

Im gonna die from coloring this

If i dont chat anymore i want you guys to know its been a good run

(cause im gona play roblox)

[turbid karma]

That's great

[proud birch]

Also for mods out there im sorry this is revealing but i just wanna make an art about rio samba festival in brazil and i wanna stay accurate to the costumes

[turbid karma]

Oh, I thought she was lying on the bed

[proud birch]

Lol i mean

That works too

[languid wasp]

Sounds like fun!

[wary briar]

borzoi

[proud birch]

Is there an ai tool that automatically sets a gray layer for your art to color in

[turbid karma]

Its not ai but you can use gradient map if there is such function in your program

[proud birch]

Wait reallly?

Does it only generate inside the lineart?

Like it doesnt spray all over the place

[turbid karma]

if you made, for example, a skin in grayscale, then in gradient map you choose which color will be the darkest/ lightest and it paints layer in colors, I recommend choosing 4 colors, but 2 also works

I usually use this method when I draw clothes

[proud birch]

Ic thats interesting

Thank you

[turbid karma]

Yeah it does, so you have to make different layers for skin, clothes, hair etc

[hushed jungle]

why not just use the paintbucket thing

oh cuz its a sktch.

[hushed jungle]

i dont think theres anything specifically wrong with the eyes

[viscid gust]

Shape feels really weird when I’m drawing them recently

It keeps feeling like I’m doing something wrong

[hushed jungle]

eh, its nothing standout to me

if you feel youre struggling with eyes its still probably better to focus on like the basics of construction and anatomy as opposed to details because a very simple eye in the right place looks much better than a perfect eye in the wrong one

[wary briar]

HAND JUMPSCARE!!!

[tidal cosmos]

You won't believe what I did to my hand art I. My next piece, it's hidious I tell you that much lule, btw good hands manuh I'm jelly

[proud birch]

Ibispaint's bucket is rly bad

Unlike ps

And the lasso tool

[viscid gust]

Quick doodle number 7 of 7

Ran out of time to do the full body with this one if I wanted to be a quick sketch. Tried applying all I tried learning this week into this. I'm happy with it.

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Artist General (& Daily Neuro Day: 7/7)

[tidal cosmos]

Lul

[latent hare]

breh everyone so good

[untold trench]

I feel you

[proud birch]

Same

[tidal cosmos]

https://fxtwitter.com/taco1704/status/1809210265113911418?t=0Mri3ssVzyzeHj2WJDeT8w&s=19

https://fxtwitter.com/ash_lmb/status/1809165354519650803?t=HaZz4-NGDgtkBH4B7_Hpfw&s=19

Literally me

[proud birch]

Just a silly illustration

[tidal cosmos]

Goddamn

Who evil bullying

[tidal cosmos]

Cute neuro

[strange dust]

furry tutorial?

[tidal cosmos]

Lule what

You didn't see the first drawings?

[proud birch]

She is a cartel boss and someone is late on their payment

[drowsy hinge]

I feel like this are realy encapsulates a vibe i realy like

Idk how to explain it but it looks great

[proud birch]

Thabks iy looks kinda goofy rn but

Is is supposed to be a dark

Themed art

Yknow with the cinematic lighting n sumn

Godfather typa stuff

[junior basin]

Who the heck design all those frills in????
oh, it's me.

[proud birch]

Looks really cute

I messed around for a bit and found a lil cool scheme

[junior basin]

I can't do shadows

[drowsy hinge]

Whos the butler meant to be?

[proud birch]

Just sime random guy for the coolness

Hes just there to light evils cigarette

[drowsy hinge]

Now im not good at art, and this already looks realy nice but i feel like if you add some extra bright lighlights, not too many maybe like some on evils face, the lighter and the back of the woman bowing it would probably add to the dark asthetic

[proud birch]

Yeah im still doing some math

[drowsy hinge]

Take all my advice with like a mountain of salt tho hah

[proud birch]

Trying to figure what bright light would fit cause this red thing is just the midtone

[drowsy hinge]

Her eyes popping looks realy nice

[proud birch]

Oh really? I thought ill just put it there so i can tell where her eyes are lol

[drowsy hinge]

I feel like it adds to her importance

[proud birch]

Ohhh shii

Now i remember

I intentionally didnt add eyes to the other characters lolol

[drowsy hinge]

When analysing this scene her face is the only one that is realy visible

[drowsy hinge]

Yeah i thought that was what you were going for

[proud birch]

I usually just forget what my plan is sometimes

You have a good eye (no pun intended)

[drowsy hinge]

Thank you i just like analysing scenes lol

[proud birch]

Im atill trying to find a cool mafia scene

Do you know one

Cause i have no idea what color the highligh should be

So i left it last

Im sory i gave u a headache lol

[drowsy hinge]

Despite bieng the smallest it highlights her importance, a face and posture are both the imediate ways to show off a persons position, the man despite bieng quite big and menacing has a passive and neutral posture and is actively suporting evil, the woman on the left is quite tall but is in a submissive posture, her face is coverd in shadows and looks apologetic, the girl on the floor has a face that isnt shown as well as bieng on the floor slouched, the posture makes her look defeated, the centerpiece evil is looking down on the girl on the floor, hed eyes are highlighted but they dont have much emotion behind them, she has a cigerette in her mouth and her posture is very provocative and active, its a "fight me" posture but in an assertive way. It makes it feel like everyone else in the scene is beneath her

[drowsy hinge]

Thats just what i got imediately from the scene atleast

[untold trench]

cool mafia scene? there was a scene from a game I thought was pretty cool, but I'm not really sure if it fits the type of mood you're going for

[proud birch]

Omg gigabrain

I have not thought that far

Tha k you for your insights watt

[proud birch]

Yeah im trying the umm

I think it was that one movie from 2022

[drowsy hinge]

Oh yeah people never think that far into a scene

[proud birch]

Woth black actor and the plot is about mafia

[drowsy hinge]

When you over analyse its because those are things people do passively or subcontiously your putting into words

[proud birch]

Thats very intersting

[drowsy hinge]

Scene reminds me of a lot of the scenes of thomas shelby from peeky blinders (mostly for evil and her henchmen)

[proud birch]

Ig like some type of siegmeund freud typa stuff

[drowsy hinge]

https://x.com/Saitamagoated/status/1708897462700954056

JOL 🍉 (@Saitamagoated) on X

DIO making a mother eat her own baby is definitely the most EVIL scene in anime

Twitter · Oct 2, 2023, 5:31 PM

[drowsy hinge]

Gives me the same vibes as this scene from dio tho

For the person on the floor, and partly evils vibes

Idk a direct compareson for the girl on the left though

[proud birch]

Omg i need this

Thanks ill try to use this as a ref

[drowsy hinge]

Np

[modern pier]

I am cooking something great

[proud birch]

Nice glow

It was looking good until

Jfc

[turbid karma]

i played with color a bit, maybe this looks better?

(just thought I'd try to help)

[proud birch]

Ohh it looks nice

Hmm

So what you did here is remove the green right

It actually need to stay for some reason because later its gonna be the ambient light

Yknow color theory stuff

I messed up cause i actually painted highlight and shadow in the same layer which is bad cause the shadow needs to be linear burn

And the highlight is add

[vast cobalt]

that looks so painful

[turbid karma]

mostly i added hue in curves for midtone and reduced for highlight and in hue/saturation i added saturation in red and reduced in yellow, and yeah lowered a green

[drowsy hinge]

I think its looking great

[turbid karma]

this is highlight/midtone/shades that i get

in your work its looks like this

midtones/highlight is close to each other, and then shadow is very far

hope thats help!

[proud birch]

Wait ehy does your stuff look like that lolol

Thats pretty odd

I just use the color circle usually

[turbid karma]

i like square more xd

[proud birch]

Im using a triad rn the umm

2nd ambient is gonna be a blue

[proud birch]

Ok now im done

Its time i add the base colors

Orange green blue triad kinda fire

[turbid karma]

yeah, looks good

[proud birch]

Thabk u

[proud birch]

New artstylee!!????

[turbid karma]

Hoooly

I've seen a lot of your work, and in my opinion, this is the best

[proud birch]

Thank you i actually for once tried controlling myself to not add a ton of details

Just storytelling and sum silly ahh lighting

And you guys helped me figure out stuff so u have my thanks

[steady abyss]

peak

[proud birch]

Yessir just like boruto

(real)

[drowsy hinge]

Omg this genuinely looks incredible

[drowsy hinge]

It looks insane and after looking at your media ive just realised that your the guy who made all that art omg

Ive always loved your style

Keep it up

[proud birch]

Tysm watt yeah i kinda have the one old account i had named laroche and i think it had much more art i posted there than here

I think that was full of traditional art from the seaech history lolol

I didnt notice the time actually i drew this for 7 straight hours

This one is very addictive to draw

[drowsy hinge]

Np

[drowsy hinge]

You think its the mafia vibes or art style?

[proud birch]

I think its the mafia vibes yeah

Something about it tickles my brainstem

Also im really looking forward to everyones arts here for heirs contest

[hushed jungle]

square goes hard man

you have the brightness and saturation both there

hue slider on the right

[proud birch]

Yea actually i havent noticed yet but im using a square too

[hushed jungle]

lmfao

[proud birch]

Well i guess a tilted square

[hushed jungle]

tilted square is still a square

anyway

[proud birch]

Cause i remember krita had a tilted square i think

[hushed jungle]

• hue doesnt mean anything btw

and that isnt particularly much contrast

fwiw, you should hit max sat in the midtones unless you have extreme lighting conditions

its a shame drawing softwares typically dont have histographs

[proud birch]

This is what interests me it just looks like straight from nasa's control panel

[hushed jungle]

those are curves

you can change the colours across the entire painting

its part of what i do when i say i do postprod

[proud birch]

Ou yeah curves ibis paint has that

I like to tilt stuff to orange

[hushed jungle]

its not super important fwiw

if you can get within the general area you want

you should be fine

[hushed jungle]

that doesnt have particularly much to do with curves

curves hit value

[proud birch]

That makes sense

[hushed jungle]

why is my lightroom struggling to launch

oh its done.

[proud birch]

Sinxe i dont have physical curves in ibis

Usually luminosity, saturation and hues are adjusted through painting layers in ibis

I guess thats the charm of it

[hushed jungle]

you probably do have curves btw

most softwares have it, but its very hidden in drawing softwares cuz usuaully illustrators dont know how to use em

[proud birch]

We actually dont have it surpisingly

[hushed jungle]

why is my lightroom lagging.

[proud birch]

They should add it in ibis

But this thing is like 30 mb so i can understand

[hushed jungle]

curve on the right

i didnt do much to it because i prefer adjusting the values with lightroom's sliders as opposed to going straight to curves

[proud birch]

I kinda miss that on krita

It was easy to be lazy on my color palette that and let the sliders fix stuff

I always hit my highlight slider to max then add a little bloom filter

[hushed jungle]

meh, i dont do it for every painting, only some

i use it a lot for photography

plus i dont do postprod in my drawing software

only in lightroom

[hushed jungle]

actually

colour curves do

im most used to value curve mb

[proud birch]

I always find the need to postprod my arts since ibis is so lacking in features so i just go to befunky since it has curves

[proud birch]

How about hip curves

[hushed jungle]

im a boob guy

anyway

[proud birch]

Imagine if there was a phone ps

[hushed jungle]

best to not do postprod for most pieces, its way easier to get an understanding of light and colour and hit it while painting

[proud birch]

I usually just do it since i kinda find the colors of realism boring

[hushed jungle]

yeah that doesnt require postprod

[proud birch]

No i mean when i draw

Im very used to realistic lighting so

I just play around with the sliders to see potentiality

[hushed jungle]

ah fair

[hushed jungle]

btw

this isnt particularly accurate either

[proud birch]

Oh yeah im born with tritanopia and im using color vision lenses

But its just fixes like half of it so some people might see my art with lots of blues and yellow

I cant see yellow/blue if i dont tone the saturation very highly

[turbid karma]

well yeah, I am not an accomplished artist, I was just sharing how I do things, if that helps

[hushed jungle]

i get it

i can respect that

but

[proud birch]

Meows*

[hushed jungle]

WHY DO MY SOFTWARES KEEP CRASHING

actual dipshit software

@turbid karma @proud birch

saturation maxes out in the middle values overall

where saturation lies within the highlights depends on whether its a diffusive surface or a specular one

metallic surfaces are specular, so they blow out

and go pure white

grass is diffusive, so it doesnt

[proud birch]

i usually just do layer overlays for texturing but yeah thats good info

[hushed jungle]

not for texturing, for lighting

[proud birch]

Can you show me an example?

I have 1 braincell

[hushed jungle]

metallic

specular

highlights blow out (hit pure white)

diffusive

highlights are saturated but not blown out

[proud birch]

Ohh i see

[hushed jungle]

you can also see the yellow paint on the wing in teh first example

bright, saturated, not blown out

texture of paint more diffused

texture of metal more specular

[proud birch]

Mhhm

And the red wing is the

[hushed jungle]

for red its the vert stab

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

tail.

you see the tail fin with the mitsubishi logo

thats full on in the light

but isnt blown out

when things are brightly lit they tend to drop in saturation

[proud birch]

Oh yeah thats true

I use a lighten layer for that

[hushed jungle]

another example is gloss vs matte paint

VERY clear example

[proud birch]

Yessir

I love glossy

[hushed jungle]

you can see the paint lose saturation as it gets brighter

in both cases

but more so for gloss than for matte

because it blows out

[proud birch]

Yeah matte looks like a little muted

[hushed jungle]

i like matte personally

[proud birch]

Well you can probably guess why i like gloss

[hushed jungle]

but once you have an undestanding of both

it helps

[proud birch]

But matte is so nice at doing

Cotton clothes

Cause leather i use glossy

[hushed jungle]

fabrics are typically diffusive

very few fabrics are particularly reflective

[proud birch]

Sometimes armor is so confusing

I see some references do matte and glossy

Probably just artstyle

[hushed jungle]

thats to do with the finish

actually

metal can be "finished" to a high degree of polish, or you can leave it reasonably dull

[proud birch]

Ohh ig thats true

For me i personally liked the dull armor

[proud birch]

The light is like creeping through the midtones making an eye candy

Why i love matte the most

[hushed jungle]

just your luck meeting a manufacturing engineering student who can explain the reason metals are depicted the way they are

anyway

[proud birch]

Those metals are interesting

[hushed jungle]

but yeah theres metallic

glossy

matte

semi gloss

various words

but the general concept is that its a spectrum between diffusive and specular

how light interacts with it at the highlights depends on where its at here

and less obviously, at the lowlights and mediums

cuz it also affects how light interacts with it there

[proud birch]

Very useful info

[hushed jungle]

O7

[proud birch]

I think

I need to study that typa stuff more

[hushed jungle]

you can, but youll also get a feel for it through practice

i just happen to have taught a lot of people about art, and I need to know the theory so that i can explain stuff to people

if you dont intend to do that you can just practice and look at references instead

[proud birch]

Im in a state where im still trying to convert my years of realism experience into anime-style

Since i mostly did traditional paintings

Anime is so weird

[hushed jungle]

i do mostly semi realism

i could do realism

but fuck texturing/rendering

tedium

[proud birch]

Thats true its so time consuming to detail a cube inch

I can see that you love realism do you have an art where you would have to let go of everything youve learnt to make something completely different

[hushed jungle]

nah

i take a pretty documentarian stance on art

[proud birch]

Ohh interesting

[hushed jungle]

i have a lot of hobbies outside of art, and i love seeing their accurate depiction

i will leave the abstract and experimental to others

so most of my art is extremely grounded

[grim isle]

I'm consuming and saving all this art advice like I'm ever gonna actually learn how to draw

[hushed jungle]

plus, its a challenge in its own right making something mundane look gorgeous

[proud birch]

Thats true

Ngl actually

Have no idea why for example

[hushed jungle]

wdym

[proud birch]

Light leaks always seemed so gorgeous

I never know the reason why

I just do it since it makes it look better

[hushed jungle]

left is nice

[hushed jungle]

i take it left is light leaks

[proud birch]

Yeah

Thats right (no pun intended )

it has been one of my staples for my artstyle

[hushed jungle]

anyway,

1. the right one is crushed highlights, the light leaks inadvertantly fixes it slightly, and softens
2. its added texture without drawing attention
3. the temperature of the right side is slightly too cold

thats probably why you like it

[proud birch]

Ohh interesting

I figured this out cause i was looking at some photography pictures and i saw when couples take a picture and the sun is behind them

It looks so nice

[hushed jungle]

a few things have to go right for a backlit photo to look nice

note

Blown out : Highlights hit pure white, or are generally too bright
Crushed : Shadows hit pure black, or are generally too dark

backlit photos tend to crush your subjects

[hushed jungle]

this isnt backlit its top right just above ~ give or take

so if this was photography you'd lose the lens hood

if you want the leaks

i recommend btw

@proud birch try drawing eliv/nwero inside a real picture and try to match the original lighting

paccha art

paccha is particularly good at this

[proud birch]

Now that i thoight of it i never actually had, i use irl refs but my lighting always strays towards this style

For example

[hushed jungle]

hmmm

lighting is off here

[proud birch]

Ohh this is the lighting that i always seaech when finding refs

[hushed jungle]

back is lit, side is lit, sleeve is not (?)

[proud birch]

Yeah its just a manhwa art

They patched that thing in probably not more than an hour

Fastfood manga

[hushed jungle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

i dont read manhwas tbf

most mangas i read dont look like that either

[proud birch]

Thats understandable

I just read manhwas to learn impact frame arts

Like how the body warps when moving

[hushed jungle]

wdym byt hat

[proud birch]

In a very simplified manner

Wait lemme find it

[hushed jungle]

eh, when drawing movements i typically encourage people to draw from videos

[proud birch]

1st one is probably obviously referenced from dance videos lolol

[hushed jungle]

dont rant dont rant dont rant dont rant

[proud birch]

Its not very realistic but its just a umm

A style picked up from a collection of manhwas

[hushed jungle]

im just

[proud birch]

They like to do stuff like this

[hushed jungle]

not the right person to

discuss this with

i have a bone to pick with like 99.99% of art that depics fighting

[proud birch]

No dw im just curious how you visialize things that move

Blur?

Most artists draw stationary art so im lucky to meet people experienced with object in motion

[hushed jungle]

i used to be an animator

so im unfortunately too used to that

but

if youre lazy, blur

if youre teppu, arrows

if youre smart about it

compositional imbalance /positional imbalance

or impacts

or impossibility of stationary stances

here

@proud birch https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/845657475956342794/1120868501243035658/image.png?ex=668bd763&is=668a85e3&hm=4e797edb5b9617c892e97aa6269a6f597d2811da40e4ad3507b0a6eb31724bcf&

this photo is 100% of a moving subject

because its impossible for the poses to be held

[proud birch]

Thats true

[hushed jungle]

not because theres blur

[proud birch]

I could see a little blur on the guys foot

[hushed jungle]

yeah but thats not why

its blurry cuz it took place at night in artificial light

and the camera isnt particularly good

but really, its obviously dynamic cuz the poses cant be held

even the guy on the left, hes pushing off his right foot

hes moving forward

into the path of this kick

[proud birch]

Ohhh

So thats why

In manwhas

The outlines are jagged

[hushed jungle]

the extremities also have more blur btw cuz they move faster

this is a more extreme example of where the poses cant be held

[proud birch]

To umm portray where the feet left from in this example

Yeah i cant see anything

So much blur

[hushed jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/845657475956342794/1254024613407490110/20230628_105527_001.mp4?ex=668bc36e&is=668a71ee&hm=aad3574716a07831ee2612ef1ee9e9cb6064975428d9163062e5d966fdf237d4&

its a screen cap from this clip

pose is impossible to be static, so by default its dynamic

[proud birch]

That hurts

So much im feeling tired thank you for your insights lolol

[hushed jungle]

oh i was in the black shirt so i was fine

[proud birch]

Woah thats really cool

What martial art i sthis?

[hushed jungle]

MMA

mixed martial arts

so any

[proud birch]

Oh i see

[hushed jungle]

but this move is from judo specifically

[proud birch]

I only do muaythai

[hushed jungle]

do muay thai justice in your art lol

i have bones to pick with art of fighting where the artists dont know shit about fighting

[proud birch]

Haha lolol

Its so painful i usually used to grind my shin in a umm

Idk if theres an english word for it

[hushed jungle]

stick

?

we use a stick here

[proud birch]

I mean yeah its basically a stick lol

The gym closed down unfortunately

So i havent sparred for a year

But i have my bags at home

Just the usual morning hundred calf kicks

[hushed jungle]

i also havent sparred in like 6 months

but my gym is fine

i just broke my leg

[proud birch]

Thats terrible

Like broken from a guard or a misstep?

[hushed jungle]

from a question mark kick

threw it too hard

tore my own meniscus

[proud birch]

Rip

Thats a dangerous kick fr

I try those but i have never applied in spar, since i have bad flexibility to begin with

[hushed jungle]

i land it offten

but dude its like 4 am here now

im gonna go make breakfast

take a shit

start gaming

that stuff

later

[proud birch]

Okay have a nice day

[viscid gust]

bit tmi there

about the bowel movement i mean

With this and my last art maybe I'm entering my "bad girls" arc . Trying to get the feel for slightly more spiky hair. I wanna move out of the smooth cartoony style slowly for the hair. Pose was a random one i picked out of my ref folder.

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[proud birch]

Woah thats impressive

I like the hair

More flow

Finally done with the dress

[tidal cosmos]

Who? Ngl my intrusive thoughts says "ah she kinda looks like Nico"

[viscid gust]

[proud birch]

Oh lol you can tell without the colors dsmn

Havent seen nico this oiled up

Thanos ahh

[hushed jungle]

who's nico?

[steady abyss]

the sun god

[hushed jungle]

im an atheist

[steady abyss]

monkey d luffy moment

oh wait im stupid

i thought it said nika

[drowsy hinge]

???

"He looks like zeus"
"Whos zues"

"The head god of the greek pantheon"

"Im christian"

But no nico is a membernof the server

[robust sleet]

also known for their "Cute Neuro" comments on everyones art

and despising evil for some reason

[drowsy hinge]

Shes also known for bieng a tsundere

Idk if there is a connection tho

[robust sleet]

Definitely does

[hushed jungle]

I'm drawing them dead

[viscid gust]

Please do not draw other users in this community dead without their approval.

[hushed jungle]

for legal reasons

im not drawing other members of this community dead.

[strange dust]

infinity gauntlet edit when?

[tidal cosmos]

LMAOOOOOOOOO

[drowsy hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-infinity-war-avengers-gif-20036370

[undone hare]

i kinda want to fix my submission, if i edit my respond on the form, does it count?

[wary briar]

Hannah and Neuro Wip

[junior basin]

I submitted.

I'll never recover from all these frills

[wary briar]

Oh my goodness

Im sorry but

That looks really nice, good job

[junior basin]

I had too much fun designing the clothes

hope mods won't bonk me for this

[wary briar]

Nah you good

mods

[weak wave]

woahhh that looks soo good

[wind laurel]

Yo can you revoke your submission so that i have less competition?

[viscid gust]

If you respond again to the forum, we will be able to tell that you were using the newest submission

[drowsy hinge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1135048844862820416/1169993084352876565/flushed.gif

[viscid gust]

Ain’t nothing wrong with thighs

[viscid gust]

While I agree with this sentiment, it’s almost verbatim what I got when I asked another mod to make sure

[drowsy hinge]

LMAO

[tidal cosmos]

Stopped drawing for a bit, the sniff is back goddammit

[viscid gust]

sniff?

[tidal cosmos]

Runny nose

Maybe fever but I haven't feel the heat in my neck

Have a little headache tho

[modern pier]

@viscid gust I have cooked on this mass attack on Artfight

if you are wondering, this attack is worth 931.75 points

Like no joke

[viscid gust]

NICE

[vast cobalt]

neuron activation

[viscid gust]

just checked the full art and

[junior basin]

men of wisdom thinks alike

[viscid gust]

Get out of my room.

Wanted to keep trying new poses. Hopefully its not too .

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6 minutes to spare

[proud birch]

Nice perspectice study heir

[viscid gust]

ty it was fun to draw

super unhappy with the skirt ruffles tho

[hushed jungle]

was on vrchat today trying to paint in vr

think it went well

[robust sleet]

Beautiful

[hushed jungle]

thamk

[tidal cosmos]

Holy

Beautiful

[hushed jungle]

im surprised it turned out well

i havent painted a sunset in forever

[tidal cosmos]

I'm so on color theory man

[hushed jungle]

plus you have so little control with the VR controllers

[tidal cosmos]

Do you have any baby tutorial for it?

[hushed jungle]

you free to vc?

colour theory is weird

[tidal cosmos]

Even a basic tutorial is so confusing

[hushed jungle]

actually would be pretty funny to hop on vrchat

if you have VR

[tidal cosmos]

Sadly not, still have work

[hushed jungle]

fair

i think a basic explanation would be easier than any video

[tidal cosmos]

It's nice but my i3 PC can't handle vrchat or have a stable connection

[hushed jungle]

a lot of people jump straight to what colours are complementary and work well together or whatever and shit (in tutorials)

people need to jump into composition first frankly

cuz theres no point in knowing how to create contrast with colours if you dont know where to use contrast well

or if you cant do values for shit

[proud birch]

I remember making art in black and white first before learning color theory

And then i was suprised when i tried overlaying a singular color in my black and white painting

[hushed jungle]

idm people learning colour early but its hard to show people a good tutorial cuz a good lesson adapts to what the person already knows

[proud birch]

Yeah lol

[hushed jungle]

and colour theory is one of those topics which highly depends on you already having other basics

cuz if i say orange and cyan contrast, that means fuck all to most people

doesnt help that half the artists on youtube spout the same bullshit about the colour wheel

[tidal cosmos]

https://fxtwitter.com/palmie_oekaki/status/1810428659624530339?t=YUyuLkZbJf-9S7_EARiTJg&s=19

[proud birch]

Making anatomy is

I think it takes me the longest if you have a very dynamic pose in mind so i just heavily rely on refs

[tidal cosmos]

What do you think about someordinaryartist? (A ytuber)

[hushed jungle]

somenormalartist?

ive met him before

have no opinions on him

[tidal cosmos]

Oh yea that lul

I think he's good

Well the one that I watched

[hushed jungle]

its been so long since ive watched tutorials

ill have to revisit them if you want my opinions

[tidal cosmos]

I might actually watch him in my spare time starting to his first vid

Just cuz

[proud birch]

Oh

[hushed jungle]

but i also think artists arent the best people to learn colour theory from anyway

[proud birch]

I think i jnow him

Yeah

[hushed jungle]

honestly ive yet to see anyone with a particularly great tutorial on colour theory

[proud birch]

There are some artists thats really good on teaching it

[hushed jungle]

very few people tie it into everything else

but anyway

@tidal cosmos the basics of composition is directing attention

you draw stuff in a way that draws attention to the parts of the piece you want people to admire

human brains tend to read contrast as interesting

so most people draw things according to contrast lines

we have a few ways of making contrast

1. value contrast
2. colour contrast
3. texture contrast

colour theory is the study of how each colour interacts with each other to produce or not produce contrast

its more comprehensive than that but the MAIN thing people study colour theory for, is for that

[tidal cosmos]

Might question all of those, what's a value contrast in layman's term

[hushed jungle]

value contrast is bright vs dark

light vs shadow

[tidal cosmos]

[hushed jungle]

when you have a line in a painting where a dark area meets a light area, thats value contrast

cuz theres contrast due to one area being bright, and the other being dark

where the sky meets the trees

[tidal cosmos]

And about color contrast?

[hushed jungle]

colour contrast is where the contrast is produced by the colours being different to each other, even tho their brightness arent that far off

in the top of my painting, yellow meets blue

the colours contrast hard

one's a warm colour (yellow)
the other is a cold colour (blue)

same with below on the ground cuz the flowers are red/pink and the grass is green

pink contrasts well with green

[tidal cosmos]

And the last one texture contrast?

[hushed jungle]

texture contrast is where the 2 regions of the piece may be similar in colour and shade but their textures arent

textures can be like patterns

[proud birch]

Remember that this is for the sky, applying this to characters for example neuro,would mean the bounce light/ambient in the shadow could be leaning towards blue and the highlight yellow

[hushed jungle]

not inherently, but god i dont feel like getting into the complexities of lighting colour

fuck that

[tidal cosmos]

That's what I'm confused and hard for me, how to make a correct bounce light, searching for the right color of it, and how the other colors interact with said lighting

[hushed jungle]

depends on what its bouncing off of

if you bounce white light off a blue surface the ambient light from that surface will be cold

its not really something you need to always think about either fwiw

[tidal cosmos]

Like a wooden table for exame and the lighting is in front of them (candle) and a light up top that slightly behind said character sitting at the table looking at the camera (Infront of said person)

[proud birch]

Hmm

[hushed jungle]

its also a matter of angles and intensity

whether the light is directed or diffused

anyway i tend to not draw shit with weird lighting because

1. its particularly hard to get right
2. doesnt often look good on its own, and is much better if youre using it for visual storytelling

[tidal cosmos]

Let's say the candle is giving off, a slight orange tinge and the light up top is giving off a bluish white light

[proud birch]

I lazily arranged the bounce light here but its basically just a nerfed light source

[hushed jungle]

if youre doing solo pieces and you dont care about the visual storytelling

[proud birch]

Yeah its just an eye candy

[hushed jungle]

its more hassle than its worth (to me)

[tidal cosmos]

I know you need to make a base layer of the color but sometimes my brain just think (it doesn't look right) but with shadows (mainly multiplied skin color layer) in the whole canvas with a specific opacity that I use it looks fine

[hushed jungle]

you dont really need to either

[tidal cosmos]

The hard part is what color is perfect for base layer, what I mean is the saturation of it

[hushed jungle]

i dont make base layers of colours

[tidal cosmos]

That's what I've been doing now

[hushed jungle]

depends on how im intending to paint

sometimes i just drop the shadows first

[tidal cosmos]

That's why bounce lights sounds alien to me atm

[proud birch]

Usually

[hushed jungle]

then mid

then highlights

[proud birch]

The perfect color is light gray since it overlays well if ur planning yo have fun around it

[tidal cosmos]

That's the best part, idk how to make shadows first work, and then what even is mid and highlights

[hushed jungle]

were you around when i made saturation curves through the value range?

i know borzoi was

you should reference tho

se

[proud birch]

Ok i think i found one

[tidal cosmos]

Nope

[proud birch]

Just something to look at

[tidal cosmos]

I think

[hushed jungle]

@tidal cosmos post most recent art

[tidal cosmos]

Thanks, I think this will help a little

[hushed jungle]

I'll try to see what's wrong

[proud birch]

shadows are hard its like something you just know how it would work over time as you look through a ton of references

[tidal cosmos]

Will ping u, it's on my pc and I'm in the washroom atm

[hushed jungle]

Sure

[hushed jungle]

Nah theres a LOT of theory behind it too

You can learn it from theory if you want

It's something I can describe to a pretty strong degree

Not particularly helpful unless ur drawing

[proud birch]

Ye

References are always nice you can flat out

Just inherit the lighting

And then add your own spin to it

Just eye training

Thigh tips

[tidal cosmos]

That's the confusing part, for a beginner artist like me my interpretation of that is, "so should I eyetool that?" But that's wrong

[tidal cosmos]

This i somewhat using now, that I know there's a slight washed color on the skirt near the skin

[proud birch]

Well usually u can first split the light and the dark on both side just like yin and yang

You have a reference you use?

[tidal cosmos]

And lineart color aswell, I'm somewhat know how to use it but can't put it okay-ishly

[tidal cosmos]

[proud birch]

[tidal cosmos]

I'm a scatterbrain when drawing

[proud birch]

Well for me

I furst start off layering a dark color on the gray base layer and then cut away chips off it using eraser

That soft light down there is just an airbrush

[tidal cosmos]

Hard and soft eraser is it?

[proud birch]

Yeah

[tidal cosmos]

Ah airbrush

[proud birch]

But dony make your soft eraser small

Make it like 900 million pixels wide and then stroke 1-2 times

[tidal cosmos]

So first is gray layer, and then some shadows on specific parts, after that is putting another layer that is blacker than the rest of them and chip away stuff on that layer?

Thats what my interpretation is anyway

[proud birch]

Basically yeah

In this peroid the only tool u are using is an erasee

[tidal cosmos]

[proud birch]

[tidal cosmos]

No I want you to continue about this before color

Lule

That's why I deleted it so it don't deviate if there's still more to this

[proud birch]

Okay

Now i make new layer

Should be under the

Shadow layer

Make it slightly lighter than the shadow

Should be color burn too layer type

Some artists usually just paint straight up the midtone but then we would have to talk about color theory here

This is gonna be the midtone where the light and dark meet

Now ur all set

[tidal cosmos]

Oh!

Now about" After all of those how do you color it?, just a low opacity colors?"

[tidal cosmos]

So the mid tones are those

[proud birch]

No dont do low opacity, instead make it low saturation

[tidal cosmos]

If we talk about saturation and the starting point is the highest, how much do I saturate it?

[proud birch]

Not super low but somewhere around it

Saturated is right here in my box

If you want numbers you can try experimenting around 40-60% or branch out

Usually i assign layer types
.

Hard shadow - linear burn
(Its desaturates and darkens all colors)

Midtone - color burn
(It saturates colors and shifts its hue to darker side
Yellow -> orange)

And then the base layer remains the highlight

[tidal cosmos]

And all of those is using the base layer color just diff layer types right?

[proud birch]

Yes

Just shades of gray

[tidal cosmos]

Same with the first one we were talking about shadows

Will try those , thanks

[proud birch]

Youre welcome

If u applied everythint, the color itself will do stuff for you

I just added a plain desaturated yellow color here

The color burn burnt the color in the areas where u assigned gray

The darker the gray the harsher the burn is

[tidal cosmos]

Oh man it looks so natural when it comes together

My brain ass just thinks "it's shit" whenever I start coloring

[proud birch]

Lolol

U can experiment around these things

[tidal cosmos]

Do you color the base layer with the shadows on or you turn it off?

Maybe I'm doing it wrong cuz that's what I do

[proud birch]

Did you color on a different layer

[tidal cosmos]

Yes

All types

Even the specific colors like skin and dress

And hair

Lul

[proud birch]

Oh and also is this the order of the layers

Linear burn
Color burn
Your color here

Just checking

[tidal cosmos]

The things I do on my art till now? I don't use linear and color burn atm

[proud birch]

I see can i see the art with all the layers

[tidal cosmos]

Just multiply

[proud birch]

Oh i kinda dislike multiply

It desaturates too harshly

[tidal cosmos]

I'll just send my latest last heir theme then, with the layers and stuff

Or do you want me to use the evil art I did when it's her birthday

Cuz I used multiply there

[proud birch]

Not sure if its just my software

Oh anything works

[tidal cosmos]

shit. lemme find one with a good enough example

there it is , im slighty proud on this one

[proud birch]

Haha cute

My wife

This is nice

Hmm

[tidal cosmos]

onlyy referenced i used this is 76 mb

[tidal cosmos]

I forgot this art piece is so hungry it takes up 3 and a half gb fucking ram usage lmao

It's the barbeque art I did lule

[proud birch]

Ohhh

So thats how evil is drawn

I forgot what her jacker looks like

I think this is good

For now how you can improve is i dont think throguh colors

But the perspective and the complexity of the lineart and how you shape the shadow

Your coloring is good

[tidal cosmos]

You've seen the beach art I did right? I think that was the latest