Neuro Cookie Clicker mod (wip) (spoiler)

[spark canyon]

That looks like a more powerful card,they are more bulky

[fair shuttle]

should i add the connector and bracket?

[spark canyon]

Oh that looks good

[fair shuttle]

nice to hear

can you show or tell me how the little archievemnt boxes will look?

these

will the background color stay dark?

[spark canyon]

I don't know, we haven't worked on those yet

[fair shuttle]

it'd be nice if they did, since i imagine the icons with bright colours like the neuro pink

[spark canyon]

Oh wait I think it uses this texture

[fair shuttle]

no, i think that's the buy options

[spark canyon]

That is the menu background

[fair shuttle]

that colour is good, since it makes the brights pop but also doesn't consume the darks

[spark canyon]

Ok good

I'm gonna go eat something now, will be back soon

Ok I'm back

[fair shuttle]

oh god sorry my capslock

I found a grandma head and i'm making it a fumo

[spark canyon]

Grandmas are Vtubers. The fumo comes later

Or are going to be

[fair shuttle]

💀

then anny ig

what else do oyu wanna make the neuro

[spark canyon]

Yes. That's what we have in-game so far

Make it Anny

[fair shuttle]

oooh i just remembered

yes of course

[spark canyon]

What did you remember?

This line is funny in the context of Neuro

And AI

[fair shuttle]

the fact that you changed the grandmas to annys

[spark canyon]

Oh ok

That makes sense

[fair shuttle]

my progress so far, now it's my turn to have dinner

[spark canyon]

That looks good. I think it'll look great when it's finished

[fair shuttle]

thanks

[spark canyon]

This is now my favourite line in the entire mod. It must stay

[fair shuttle]

it's interesting how we're focused on getting it right, there's enough people who'd slap a pink filter on everything and just put google images over the icons

[spark canyon]

Well, we aren't lazy

[fair shuttle]

what do you think

have i redeemed myself after that neuro fumo disaster

[spark canyon]

I think it looks pretty good

[fair shuttle]

:>

[spark canyon]

You can definitely see that's Anny

I like it

[fair shuttle]

one more down

[spark canyon]

The thing with modding is, that it's all gotta be done eventually, so better do something, or it'll newer be done

[fair shuttle]

what're these, and should i change the background colours or just upscale them

[spark canyon]

They are icons for backgrounds. The blue one should be pink, and maybe those grandmas Anny, otherwise don't touch them for now

[fair shuttle]

okay, that's what i wanted to know

[spark canyon]

We might change some of them later, but those are the changes for now

[fair shuttle]

will we need robot anny and cursed anny?

[spark canyon]

It's not robot Anny, it's demon Anny and Evil demon Anny

Those are for a later part of the game

Lore and stuff, if I tell you, it's definitley gonna be a spoiler

Do you care?

[fair shuttle]

no

i don't care about cookie clicker spoilers at all

[spark canyon]

This is the grandmapocalypse, the part where the grandmas become demons

[fair shuttle]

also should the pink match the pinks here #1191093612067430420 message ?

[spark canyon]

Yes, that is the background that corresponds to the blue icon

[fair shuttle]

the part with the stripes behind the news text?

[spark canyon]

Yes, that is the new custom background.

[fair shuttle]

4 done

[spark canyon]

Cool. I think that works

[spark canyon]

Anyone made progress?

[gritty spade]

I have been super busy lately.

But when looking into making a file reader for javascript, it is kinda a pain in the ass. With out any other frameworks like jquery, I do not think it is fully supported on all browsers.

[spark canyon]

Ok, but aren't we targeting modern desktop browsers only?

[gritty spade]

Yes, but they are not all the same.

There are differences with chrome and firefox

[spark canyon]

Yes, I know

[gritty spade]

It might be easier since it will all be local files, but I jus havnt had a chance to mess with it much yet

[spark canyon]

It is fully local. I'd expect that to make it easier, not having to load stuff over the internet, but only off the local drive

Well, I guess let me know if anything happens with it

[fair shuttle]

close

[spark canyon]

Oh those Annys look so good

[fair shuttle]

thanks :3

[spark canyon]

I can't wait to see how all these icons look in-game

[fair shuttle]

it'll be a challenge to make that third grandma an anny

[fair shuttle]

i can export it now if you wanna test

maybe there's a reason the og resolution was only half of what i'm drawing at

[spark canyon]

Sure, better try it out now

Than find a major issue when it's already done

[fair shuttle]

you'll need to rename it, but i didn't want to overwrite the og file in my folder

[spark canyon]

Ok, as long as everything else is the same

In the specifications of the file

[fair shuttle]

i think it should be the same

but idk the inner mess of microsoft paint

[spark canyon]

Paint can be very strange sometimes, but for me it worked well with Portal 2

[fair shuttle]

you'll just have to try

and if it works, take some screenshots

[spark canyon]

Seems like it's done the thing where it freezes

[fair shuttle]

that doesn't sound good

[spark canyon]

Oh nevermind it just took a while

[fair shuttle]

oh phew

[spark canyon]

Well they seem to work just fine

[fair shuttle]

does it look good, or are the pixels too small?

[spark canyon]

It looks good to me at least, although my resolution is higher than usual monitors

[fair shuttle]

i'm using a 2k one

2560x1440

[spark canyon]

Well that's my resolution too. I think it's becoming more common recently

And the coin you made is indeed used for when you click the big coin as one of the cookies

[fair shuttle]

can you do a screenshot of that?

[spark canyon]

It flashes on screen so briefly I probably can't but I can try to get a video capture

[fair shuttle]

what about the delay option in snipping tool

just set it to 3 seconds, click until it fires, and you'll capture a coin

[spark canyon]

I don't know if the utility that comes up when pressing print screen comes up can do that

[fair shuttle]

oh right, i forgot about print

[spark canyon]

I got one

[fair shuttle]

looks good

[spark canyon]

I think it works

[fair shuttle]

so i'll just continue as i've been doing

[spark canyon]

Yeah, the textures load just fine, even at a level of detail the standard game doesn't seem to do

By the way I got Win11 paint running on Win10

It doesn't even require anything extra from the system, it just runs

[fair shuttle]

interesting

[fair shuttle]

well... i tried

it's definitely a contrast

[spark canyon]

Well, it's demonic for sure

[fair shuttle]

any suggestions on how it could look better?

[spark canyon]

I have no ideas

[fair shuttle]

so i'll just leave it as-is

[spark canyon]

Leave it for now, we can go back to it if we get ideas

[fair shuttle]

what neuro bill should i use

a different one

[spark canyon]

You can use different ones for different parts

[fair shuttle]

ye but for this

[spark canyon]

Which part?

[spark canyon]

Oh, 5Neuros for sure, it looks similar to the original

[fair shuttle]

do you have a full version or something other than the emote?

[spark canyon]

This?

[fair shuttle]

ah, thanks

[spark canyon]

I just have stuff laying around on my hard drives

[fair shuttle]

let the struggle begin

[spark canyon]

Good luck with it

[fair shuttle]

bap

[spark canyon]

I think it's pretty decent

[fair shuttle]

better than the first coin iterations

[spark canyon]

That might be true, at least somewhat

[fair shuttle]

all done, another set

[spark canyon]

I think they look mostly pretty good

[fair shuttle]

you say mostly, is there anything you'd like to be different?

[spark canyon]

The extremely demonic anny just looks a bit weid, might be the neck looking thing

[fair shuttle]

i mean, she's supposed to be weird

the neck is disproportionate because
1: it's uncomfortable, as a demon should be
2: the og demon grandma had a crazy neck too

[spark canyon]

Maybe it could be better if the hair was orange or something similar

[fair shuttle]

hmm i could do that

ye

i'll try it

[spark canyon]

Try that, let's see how it looks

[fair shuttle]

i went with more of a blood orange

because it's so red overall

[spark canyon]

I think it looks better overall

[fair shuttle]

'k

👍

[spark canyon]

By the way, I'm looking for someone to make a couple sprites for a Neuro themed Suika reskin someone wanted, could you do that, it's just like 20 textures and 1 background or something

[fair shuttle]

maybe, but i'll see

i also have a good chunk of school work to be done, so i doubt i'll be making serious progress for the next days

[spark canyon]

Ok, but I'lll send the files if you have timo to do that, just wait while I pack them

[fair shuttle]

idk

[spark canyon]

If you want to do it, here

[fair shuttle]

what's the progress on that so far

[spark canyon]

Well, that is basically just a quick reskin of something I found on the internet, so that's really basically what's currently planned at all

[fair shuttle]

i'd like to focus on one project at a time

we can do the suika after we're done here

[spark canyon]

Well, I swich focus all the time.

[fair shuttle]

then you'll find another artist

[spark canyon]

There is also a Pizza Tower mod planned after this

I can wait, it's not really anything too important

You can do it once this one is done if you want

I do presonally do a lot of projects at once. I'm almost done with Portal 2 Neuro-Sama reskin mod v2.0.0, just need to convert and rename a couple voice lines

[fair shuttle]

any good suggestions on the gears?

[fair shuttle]

i do too, but this one's big

i also don't know if my art skills would be sufficient

[spark canyon]

I think Neuro's overlay has gears, so maybe try to match those. And yes, this mod is big, as the targeted game has a lot of content

[fair shuttle]

he did a just sleepng stream with an ai dude

what the hell

[spark canyon]

It was to avoid making it impossible for very dedicated viewers (like myself) to see all the content

[fair shuttle]

ah

[spark canyon]

Basically to avoid a 24/7 AI stream

And it did break everyone's sleep schedules. Luckily I only took a couple days to fix mine

[fair shuttle]

gears done

[spark canyon]

I think they look good

[spark canyon]

That looks even better

[fair shuttle]

i think now i'm satisfied

oh no... it's too small

[spark canyon]

Oh no. I guess you need to upscale it

[fair shuttle]

upscaling looks ass as always, but i'll fix it tomorrow

it's really late

[spark canyon]

Ok then

[fair shuttle]

Also explains the lack of detail space: there was too little space to begin with

[warped perch]

make anny an erm

on the last on

[spark canyon]

oh that's a good idea.

[dry lion]

Everything looks amazing

[fair shuttle]

That wouldn't make sense though

I'm sure erm can be implemented somewhere, but not there

[fair shuttle]

new gears

[fair shuttle]

@spark canyon how about making the dough roller thing a coin press?

[spark canyon]

I think that would work

[fair shuttle]

this good?

oh wait sorry

forgot a shadow there

is this good?

[spark canyon]

I think it's good

[fair shuttle]

nice

it'll also be super easy to recolour which is nice

[spark canyon]

Yeah, just change the blue into other colors

[spark canyon]

That's decent progress

[fair shuttle]

jup

[spark canyon]

Keep it up and we'll get it done eventually

[fair shuttle]

does neuro have a specific cursor or should i just make something up?

[spark canyon]

Isn't there one on the stating soon animation?

[fair shuttle]

do you have that image?

[spark canyon]

Let me maybe look trough one video file real quick

[fair shuttle]

that's basically the normal windows cursor

[spark canyon]

Yeah, there is the Neuro themed cursor, but that's too detailed for cookie clicker

[fair shuttle]

show me

i made the coin and the bill work

[fair shuttle]

but that's not official

[spark canyon]

It's not, I know that

[fair shuttle]

and it's less cursor and more mini neuro

[spark canyon]

Yeah, but I like using it

We can just go with a pretty regular cursor for this though

[fair shuttle]

WHY IS THIS INSANELY LOW RES PICTURE SO HIGH RES

oh my holy god i accidentally saved

thank god saving doesn't destroy the undo options

or i'd have ruined the resolution

[spark canyon]

Why in the Neuro-Sama is that so big

[fair shuttle]

should i colour it or just leave it as-is?

[spark canyon]

Maybe you could make it pink, to match Neuro's theme color, and then change the border for the variants

[fair shuttle]

i adjusted the coin press's height to match the cursor

i may have to redo some other icons

i think the gears are fine, but the graphics card may be a bit small, what do you think?

[spark canyon]

This is how it shows up in-game. I think it's fine

[fair shuttle]

good

seems i used the width enough

[spark canyon]

Yeah, it doesn't need to fill the whole box

[fair shuttle]

can you test how the coin press and cursors look?

[fair shuttle]

thanks

that means i need to move the cursor up, and i forgot to delete something

done

[fair shuttle]

can you try this?

[fair shuttle]

this is hard to get right

i hope this'll do it

[spark canyon]

The Neuro storm bug happened again

[fair shuttle]

what happens there

[fair shuttle]

finally it looks right

thanks

[spark canyon]

The Neuro storm bug is when I click on a golden cookie and it says "Neuro storm" and starts the timer, but not the event

[fair shuttle]

oh, that's weird

may want to have velineste look at that

[spark canyon]

Velineste has tried, but for some reason can't reproduce it

For me it happens 100% consistently

[fair shuttle]

how do i use the zip

[spark canyon]

You need 7zip

https://www.7-zip.org/

It can be used to decompress it

[fair shuttle]

that's not what i mean

i meant how do i make cookie clicker use the zip

[spark canyon]

Are you trying to run it inside the zip?

For that the solution is to decompress the zip and open "index.html" in a browser

[fair shuttle]

i just wanna know how to make it run

i know how to unzip a file, i'm not that stupid

[spark canyon]

It'll run off your drive. To run it, simply open the file "index.html" in any browser

[fair shuttle]

thanks

chrome is taking its sweet time

[spark canyon]

If you change any files you'll have to refresh it in the browser

[fair shuttle]

it works

[spark canyon]

I alway use it with Firefox, which opens it instantly off of an HDD, but I have heard some people say it takes 2 minutes to load, so who knows

[fair shuttle]

it took like, 20 seconds

[spark canyon]

Interesting. I haven't tested it on any browser other than Firefox, so maybe some of those have different file loading characteristics

[fair shuttle]

i can test edge

and firefox

firefox is instant

chrome takes ~30 seconds

[spark canyon]

I knew Firefox was instant, but wasn't expecting other browsers to take a long time. And I myself have deleted Edge completely

[fair shuttle]

edge takes ~45 seconds

[spark canyon]

Very interesting. I wonder which browser is the one that takes 2 minutes

[fair shuttle]

maybe opera

or that person had a slow chipset

[spark canyon]

The chipset shouldn't effect the speed at which things happen, unless you mean CPU

[fair shuttle]

i do mean cpu

or drive speed, that likely has an impact as well

though cpu is more likely

edge is insanely powerhungry

[spark canyon]

I run it off of an HDD, so that's not a problem

Maybe it is just that other browsers are quite slow at opening it because of resources and how efficiently they use them

[fair shuttle]

there's a lot of possible reasons, but we don't have to care

[spark canyon]

Yeah, as long as it actually opens at all

Which it does so we're fine

[fair shuttle]

the original was small as well so it's not me

[spark canyon]

I think it's good

I don't know where it's used, but probably somewhere

[fair shuttle]

the upgrade icons are all over the place so i try to keep palettes as much as possible

here for example

i just realised that the portals could be the portal portals

[spark canyon]

They could be. That would really be connected to Neuro trough my mods though, and the time Vedal played the games, but it works

[fair shuttle]

i can't think of any other reference we could do

[spark canyon]

Yeah, that definitely works the best from the options of nothing or portals from Portal

[fair shuttle]

i just got an idea for the cursors

[spark canyon]

What is it?

[fair shuttle]

i can't show you sincei was just forced to turn the pc off, but it's basically just a little heart

[spark canyon]

Ok, sounds good

[fair shuttle]

well see

[spark canyon]

I think that looks good. You can even change the color of the heart on the other variants and not just the border

[fair shuttle]

that was the plan, yes

[spark canyon]

Ok, seems like you figured it out already then

[spark canyon]

Somehow I forgot this was a thing and it was really funny when I saw it

[spark canyon]

I'm done with the Portal 2 stuff for a bit, is there any progress here?

[fair shuttle]

i have been under constant school work without free time for the past few weeks, im exoecting it to cool down now, but i have not had the time to get anything done

[spark canyon]

Ok

[fair shuttle]

i think i just found a perfect app to edit the spritesheet on mobile, meaning progress could become much faster

[spark canyon]

Oh, that sounds very interesting. The ability to use a mobile application could indeed be quite beneficial

[fair shuttle]

espechially since i have a stylus capable tablet, drawing with a mouse is quite challenging

this is progress so far

sadly i had to restart the pc, meaning the layers are merged, meaning i can't do the fun toggle thing anymore

[spark canyon]

Should I throw that in to see if it runs?

[fair shuttle]

you could

[spark canyon]

The spritesheet still works. But the mod itself had managed to freeze and get stuck in the background, so that's still a thing I guess

[spark canyon]

I got some textures for the Suika mod, but only now realized the game doesn't work properly locally.

It's browser based and gives some errors I have no idea about

[spark canyon]

Any progress happening on this?

[fair shuttle]

i think i will be making progress again

last week was just extremely busy

sorry

[spark canyon]

It's not a problem. What are you doing now by the way? (if you want to tell)

[fair shuttle]

i'm curerently making a shitpost for #neurotic-neurons

[spark canyon]

Ok, sound pretty normal

I was just curious

[spark canyon]

The Minecraft thing works

[spark canyon]

I wonder when (or if) Sandro is gonna come back to this project, it's been a while

[warped perch]

Been busy with stuff

[spark canyon]

Ok

[fair shuttle]

how big are the textures for the grandmas

[spark canyon]

The grandmas rendered in the buildings showcase area?

[fair shuttle]

yes

[spark canyon]

I sent them here earlier, I can look for them

Here

The regular grandma is already replaced

[fair shuttle]

that anny only uses 52 of the 64 pixels

[spark canyon]

The normal grandmas also don't use the full height

[fair shuttle]

i saw that, but why not utilize all detail we can get

[spark canyon]

Height

See the tansition line?

[fair shuttle]

ah

[spark canyon]

That's why

[fair shuttle]

what's a good thing to turn the dice into

[spark canyon]

I don't know

Try to come up with something

All I can think of is some kind of RNG

[fair shuttle]

could be the c# code

[spark canyon]

Sure, that could work

[fair shuttle]

lmao

looks like shit

[spark canyon]

Yep, that's kinda bad. It's way too small and there's too much white

Maybe add something like if = 6 or something

[fair shuttle]

💀

also i read bold as blood

[spark canyon]

Well, whatever you come up with, I really have no ideas, I spent all of my ideas programming in PowerShell

[fair shuttle]

i just had to make that

[spark canyon]

That's interesting looking, but not what we're looking for for the mod

[fair shuttle]

i have an idea

wheel of fortune

[spark canyon]

Is that the weird game that's on TV or something idk I haven't watched TV for years

[fair shuttle]

this shit

that filian constantly does

the filipino boy

[spark canyon]

Looks like that's the thing I thought

Oh yeah I know that thing, I remember now

I think it's a decent idea

[spark canyon]

That seems pretty good

[fair shuttle]

is shading a good idea here, or nah?

[spark canyon]

I think it looks better

[fair shuttle]

i know what i'll be making this into

[spark canyon]

What is it then?

[fair shuttle]

question is, neuro or evil

[spark canyon]

We have a lot of Neuro already, so maybe Evil

[fair shuttle]

ear

[spark canyon]

I think it looks pretty good. Similar to the original too

[fair shuttle]

i'm using anny as a reference, both to keep a style and because making anny already took so long that i don't wanna make a base again

[spark canyon]

Well, as long as it works, I don't really care how it's done

[fair shuttle]

how's this so far?

[spark canyon]

I think it looks pretty good

[spark canyon]

I think it looks pretty good. Definitely Evil

[fair shuttle]

which looks better?

[spark canyon]

Maybe the longer one

[fair shuttle]

which is better

with or without eyebrows

[spark canyon]

I think with eyebrows looks more like Evil

[fair shuttle]

thing is, the eyebrows clash with the hair

[spark canyon]

I don't think that matters that much, I at least don't really notice it

[spark canyon]

Somehow it's more noticeable from farther away

[fair shuttle]

so, which should it be

[spark canyon]

The game shows those pretty small, so probably without eyebrows

[fair shuttle]

yeah, that's what i was thinking too

i just noticed i forgor the bangs

is this good?

[spark canyon]

That looks a lot more like Evil now. I think it's way better

[fair shuttle]

another two done

[spark canyon]

Just a lot more to go. Keep going, you'll get trough all of them if you just keep going

[fair shuttle]

once we get those done we're just a few recolourings away from having a ton less to do

[spark canyon]

That's good, recolors are usually pretty easy compared to coming up with completely new graphics

[fair shuttle]

oops i forgot to marker the watering can

[fair shuttle]

this should be fixed

[spark canyon]

Is the border wrong?

[fair shuttle]

yep

not pink

then hovering over an available upgrade border

[spark canyon]

It's probably in this file with the others, no idea why it isn't correct, as all the other ones that were cahnaged are in this one

[fair shuttle]

dang, it does get rendered kinda small

[spark canyon]

That's most likely why it uses double size pixels by default

[fair shuttle]

zooming with ctrl+mouse has interesting effects

[spark canyon]

Cookie clicker probably wasn't designed with that in mind

[spark canyon]

That definitely doesn't look correct

[fair shuttle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1132690609761689660.gif?size=64&name=evilBlush&quality=lossless

i honestly love how this looks

[spark canyon]

It is quite a bit to the side of the box though

[fair shuttle]

i may wanna redo this one

[fair shuttle]

yeah, i'll go adjust them when i've done the whole row

[spark canyon]

Ok

[fair shuttle]

my lil' leftist (jk)

the active doesn't match the inactive

[spark canyon]

I think that might be intentional by Sandro

[fair shuttle]

but it doesn't look good

i see what sandro was trying to do there, but in game it just looks like an oversight

on another note, with some code we might be able to make Orteil into Vedal987

(Since Orteil made CC, but Vedal made Neuro)

[spark canyon]

That's a good idea, but of course depends on if Velineste can do it

Here's this thing, you can fix it

[fair shuttle]

now we just need a neuro (and maybe a vedal)

[spark canyon]

By the way, if you finish any files, send them here so I can make sure they are in the latest version

If you fix any of those files or something

[fair shuttle]

done

[spark canyon]

Which one

[fair shuttle]

i put this one in

[spark canyon]

That is the one from the game itself, you can fix the thing and send it back

From the current version

[fair shuttle]

ooh

[spark canyon]

I'm not an artist, I don't really know how to fix it. I'm a modder.

[fair shuttle]

fixed it

i just copied the active version and recoloured it in the inactive colours

[spark canyon]

Can you send the file?

[warped perch]

Awesome guys

[spark canyon]

I meant the image file

[fair shuttle]

here's the whole game instead, it's just 9 megs

it's got the new icons too

[spark canyon]

Ok, I guess I'll just replace the img folder

[fair shuttle]

what changes have you done that i don't have in here?

more code?

[spark canyon]

I haven't really made any changes. The code is handled by Velineste, and I haven't gotten any of it yet. You and Sandro are responsible for the graphics. If you have the sounds, that's up-to-date with my build then

[fair shuttle]

i do have the sounds

[spark canyon]

Then you're up-to-date

Velineste is the only one with the current code changes

Seems like you didn't change the frame

For the upgrades

[fair shuttle]

no, but i can do that now

[spark canyon]

Ok cool

[spark canyon]

Hi, you wanna help?

[fair shuttle]

so passive-agressive

anyways, what's the green frame for?

[spark canyon]

Haven't seen it in-game I don't think

[warped perch]

Knee deep in dumb stuff

[fair shuttle]

hi Sandro, do you know what that frame is for?

[warped perch]

No idea actually

Maybe minigame

[spark canyon]

It's not in the minigames

[warped perch]

It might be not used assets

[spark canyon]

Yeah, seems unused

[fair shuttle]

done

[spark canyon]

That looks like what I was thinking of

Can you send the file for that?

[spark canyon]

That looks good

[spark canyon]

It works

[fair shuttle]

when i'm at it i may just do this one too

[spark canyon]

Ok, do whatever you think would be good

[fair shuttle]

looking at the frames, it seems we're going for a fair dose of simplism?

[spark canyon]

UI elements have pretty simple changes most of the time

[fair shuttle]

it's just that the og CC has a lot of texture and relief (in the sense of texture, not relieving) and the mod is more of a simplistic style

[spark canyon]

Well, I'm not the one deciding exactly what the changes of the mod are. I just take whatever works

[fair shuttle]

aighty, i'll continue that simplistic trend

[warped perch]

Give the hair more colour on the icons 👍

[fair shuttle]

i try to keep the colours accurate to the ones on the real models

and evil has a bit of a light hair colour

[warped perch]

Shading

[fair shuttle]

i could, but i wanna get all the base icons first

idk about this circle, what do you think

does this look better?

circles are hard :\

[spark canyon]

That circle does look a bit odd to me

And pixelated circles are indeed hard

[fair shuttle]

it is now done

[spark canyon]

Probably better than what I could have done

[fair shuttle]

should it be thicker?

[spark canyon]

Possibly

[fair shuttle]

better? (it crashed snipping tool lmao)

[spark canyon]

That is better, but it should maybe be consistent in width for the entire circle

It looks like the diagonal edges are thinner than the others

[spark canyon]

That looks better

[fair shuttle]

it's uhhhhhhhh

well

[spark canyon]

Well, it's a circle

[fair shuttle]

imma just start anew with a different approach

tracing (dun dun duuun)

[spark canyon]

That is a better circle

[fair shuttle]

ugh

i see the issue already

the diagonals are too thick

[spark canyon]

The diagonal edges are sligthly wrong again

It's actually how much of the diagonals is edge and how much the internal circle

[fair shuttle]

i think this is better (i made the internal rounder)

[spark canyon]

It is better

[fair shuttle]

now the outer is rounder too

[spark canyon]

I think I'm gonna go to sleep

[fair shuttle]

ta-daa

it still doesn't look great but i think it's good enough for now

newest version

[spark canyon]

Once we get some of the new code, I'm probably gonna call that v8, so for now just v7 subversions is pretty good

[fair shuttle]

miner rig done, i'm loving the look of it

too bad it looks super busy

although

[spark canyon]

I think it looks pretty good

[fair shuttle]

these look busy too so i think it's fine

[spark canyon]

You can really see that that's a server

Or something similar to one

[fair shuttle]

this is the true challenge, because it brings it all together

[spark canyon]

Can you send the file of the building itself?

[spark canyon]

I don't think we need a new build for every tiny change

[fair shuttle]

i do

[spark canyon]

Well, you can make subversions, but I'll do the actual releases

[fair shuttle]

or rather, every time you ask me to send something, i'll make a new build

with a new _x suffix

[spark canyon]

The next proper release is planned to be when we get some new code

[fair shuttle]

of course, a new X_n will only be for big things

[spark canyon]

Yeah, the next big release is gonna be when we get new code

We'll need to replace the word "Mine" with something like "Miner", since we're replacing the mine with a krypto miner

[fair shuttle]

Rig

since it's called a mining rig

[spark canyon]

Well, that works too

Might even be better

[fair shuttle]

or Mining Rig

that would enable us to keep some of the mining jokes

[spark canyon]

Well, that's partially up to Velineste

[fair shuttle]

wait a sec

btw is ascension supposed to look like this?

[spark canyon]

That looks kinda strange, I don't think you're supposed to have 0 heavenly chips and all the upgrades

Updated the credits, since you're now doing more than just icons

[fair shuttle]

interestingly, the circles are gone

[spark canyon]

What did you do?

[fair shuttle]

nevermind, the site just took a bit to load everything

but this means the circles are supposed to overlap

thank god

[spark canyon]

Ok cool, I could havve checked though, if you just asked

[spark canyon]

Oh, right debug tools

[fair shuttle]

since i only play the mobile version and i need to check everything i edit without playing for a year, i just decided to "ruin the fun" and activate debug

[spark canyon]

Okay then, whatever works. You should replace the credits file for the next build that you make, since I updated it

[fair shuttle]

done

[spark canyon]

Good, now you're up-to-date again

[fair shuttle]

for some reason wiping didn't reset the backdrop

[spark canyon]

Well, I don't think that's supposed to happen

[fair shuttle]

how do you unlock backgrounds?

maybe that'd help

[spark canyon]

The background switcher is a heavenly upgrade

[fair shuttle]

how do i get that

[spark canyon]

Heavenly upgrades come from ascending

[fair shuttle]

done

[spark canyon]

Does it work?

[fair shuttle]

it does, but this is an oversight we should fix

[spark canyon]

The fact that it says blue?

[fair shuttle]

yes

[spark canyon]

Well, once again, that's for Velineste to fix

I'm not touching the code anymore

[fair shuttle]

next up i'll do these, at least the basic ones (and i'll update them when i've made the other wares

they've been bothering me a bit

is discord not sending my images again?

[spark canyon]

I see them

[fair shuttle]

there they are

discord is so broken sometimes

[spark canyon]

I've seen it break in many weird ways

[fair shuttle]

these will be annoying

[spark canyon]

Probably since there's so many

[fair shuttle]

oh god

[spark canyon]

Well, that's a thing I guess

That's what happens when you go around changing cookies to Neuros without looking at the context

I guess

[fair shuttle]

it'll be nice to change these ugly messes

why is it not showing ther updated fileee

[spark canyon]

Reload

[fair shuttle]

i closed all tabs and re-opened index.html

after f5 didn't work

[spark canyon]

Did you actually replace the exact filename?

[fair shuttle]

i opened the file in paint, edited it, saved it, and closed paint.

so i didn't even edit the name

[spark canyon]

Check the file in explorer

[fair shuttle]

i have

[spark canyon]

Open it in some program and see if the data is there

[fair shuttle]

imma open it in chrome, maybe firefox is at fault

[spark canyon]

Try ctrl + f5 (hard reload, including cached files)

[fair shuttle]

nothing

[spark canyon]

Can you send the file?

[fair shuttle]

it's obviously wip, but it's enough to check

[spark canyon]

Well, it didn't replace it like you said. I'm gonna look in the code if it references that file

Welp, I guess there's more stuff for Velineste to fix. There's 0 references to that file, so I think it actually loads the one from the original servers even though it shouldn't

[fair shuttle]

but how

wait i have an idea

what'll happen in airplane mode

[spark canyon]

Mistake by whoever made this build of Cookie clicker (it's something from Github, probably modified to work locally)

[fair shuttle]

somehow it still loads the old one

[spark canyon]

Probably cached, try hard reload

[fair shuttle]

obviously i did hard reload

[spark canyon]

Well, then there's some alternate file somewhere

[fair shuttle]

not under the name of mine

[spark canyon]

This atlas here

[fair shuttle]

ah, so the icon is unused

[spark canyon]

Or used somewhere else, but so far seems pretty unused to me

Most likely left over from an older version

Well, at least you didn't make the whole thing in the wrong file, so not much progress lost, if any

[fair shuttle]

done

[spark canyon]

Well, we'll know if we see it

[fair shuttle]

having an atlas makes not only more sense, but also makes it much easier to make the icons tbh

like being able to just copy-paste the shadows

[spark canyon]

Yeah, I can see why they use an atlas, as there's the dark versions of the icons. Why even keep the files if they have 0 references in the code

[fair shuttle]

i guess because why not

[spark canyon]

We'll keep them for now, but if we want to trim, they're the first thing to go

By the way, did you know you can copy-paste between two paint instances?

[fair shuttle]

i did

but the less windows i have, the better

also it sometimes messes up the pasting part

[spark canyon]

I know how it messes up if the place you're pasting to is smaller than the source. I used the feature a lot when making the textures for Portal 2 Neuro-Sama reskin mod

[fair shuttle]

i don't even mean that

i mean it extending things outward, or just having wrong pixels

thankfully it's rare

[spark canyon]

Well, that might just be the new paint, I don't think I had those kinds of issues with Win10 paint

[fair shuttle]

i didn't use win10 paint that much so idk, but seeing as every windows is more broken than the other it would make sense.

did you know ms originally wanted to remove paint from win11?

[spark canyon]

I think they already were kinda deprecating it in Win10, in favor of the terrible Paint 3D

[fair shuttle]

paint 3d is a fun concept, but badly excecuted

[spark canyon]

Yeah, leave that to 3rd party programs

[fair shuttle]

also, did you know of microsoft 3d builder? it feels like a p3d beta, but it's standalone and has features p3d doesn't

[spark canyon]

I haven't heard of that

[fair shuttle]

should i take out some of the shadow on the blades?

[spark canyon]

I think it looks good

[spark canyon]

I think it's pretty good

Just need to have the text changed

[fair shuttle]

these i'll just leave as-is

[spark canyon]

Well, that works,since we didn't change the cursor much

[fair shuttle]

i did remove the shadow

since it wouldn't make sense

[spark canyon]

Ok, whatever you think works best

[fair shuttle]

has neuro been farming?

[spark canyon]

I don't think there's been a farmer stream

[fair shuttle]

just any reference

like mosquito and her not wnting to be an engineer

or even something like the swarm

[spark canyon]

Well, if Neuro has talked about farming, it's likely gonna end up in the rants database

[fair shuttle]

i just got an idea

i haven't heard of her doing things with alchemy, so how about we make that into a university that's engineering neuros instead of turning gold into cookies?

[spark canyon]

That sounds like a good idea

We will need some text modifications for that too though

[spark canyon]

What did that replace?

[fair shuttle]

alchemy lab icon

[spark canyon]

Ok, that makes sense I guess

[fair shuttle]

aight i'll be right back, gotta eat

[fair shuttle]

wip

[spark canyon]

I have no idea what that is from just looking at it

[fair shuttle]

done

[spark canyon]

Oh, now I see what it is

I think it's good

[fair shuttle]

now, normally the preview would look like this

but i thought about doing this instead

which should it be

[spark canyon]

That's another pretty good idea

[fair shuttle]

so, option 1 or 2

[spark canyon]

I think 2

[fair shuttle]

aighty

if it doesn't look good it can always be changed

[spark canyon]

Yeah, that's true

[fair shuttle]

hmm

[spark canyon]

That does look kinda odd

[fair shuttle]

well...

it do be better than a slab

[spark canyon]

And that's pretty much a square

[fair shuttle]

then again

difficult decision

[spark canyon]

I think the vanilla game has big shape shaped shadows too

[spark canyon]

There's the antimatter condenser looking pretty similar to our square

[fair shuttle]

i already know the fractal engines will be the windows disk defragmenter tool

that just has to be

[fair shuttle]

i think i'll fill it in

to stick with the theme

i think this fits right in

[spark canyon]

I think that works

[fair shuttle]

well, i gotta turn off the pc coz it's late

so i'll continue tomorrow

i will however stay online on my tablet

[spark canyon]

Ok, we'll see what we can get done tomorrow.

[fair shuttle]

seeing the neko evil makes me proud :3

though maybe she could use some shading

[spark canyon]

By the way, I'm currently trying to learn Kotlin (a programming language) and the keyboard I use for that is not good for chatting. (I have 2 keyboards connected, but I'm currently using the programming one)

[fair shuttle]

what is kotlin used for

[spark canyon]

Well, I guess it compiles to something similar to Java, so maybe it can do similar things

[fair shuttle]

but why not learn java then

which is used for so many different things

and would enable us to do good minecraft modding

is there a certain game in kotlin?

[spark canyon]

Well, I don't really know any programming languages yet, and DeathByPrograms said this would be a good language to begin with

[fair shuttle]

ah okay, makes sense

i usually see people recommending C# because it's comparatively easy and comes with unity, as well as godot

but you do you, i haven't really learned any language yet

[spark canyon]

But this keyboard is really only here because my main one is missing a couple of the required keys

Quite annoying

[fair shuttle]

the pink one had much less grit than the others, so i changed the others to fit the pink one already made by one of the other contributors

(i just put pink in gimp, used colorizer and exported it)

[spark canyon]

Cool, now we have consistency (that was made by Sandro)

[fair shuttle]

at some point i'll do the money one too, but not right now as it looks like it'll require more work

[spark canyon]

Ok, we can go in whatever order we get ideas, since that's how I usually do it anyway

[fair shuttle]

although i have one idea i wanna just try out

colour reduction

didn't help, as expected, but it did show me how to deepfry (reduce colour to 2 or 3)

[spark canyon]

Well, sometimes it's good to just try stuff. The more you try, the more you learn

[fair shuttle]

if we wanted to we could make the milk into whatever, including but not limited to:

• more minimalism
• different art style
• different thing entirely
• no milk at all :<
• milk with extreme ocean waves (for some reason)
• stuff in the milk (like cookies?)
• easter eggs
• whatever else comes to mind

[spark canyon]

I think we came up with the idea of different kinds of rum

[fair shuttle]

we did

[spark canyon]

I still think that could work

[fair shuttle]

i do too

oh his'll be pain

just like these and their many counterparts

[spark canyon]

That one is the effect for the cookie cracking during ascension

[fair shuttle]

these could be inspired by< the harrison temple

[fair shuttle]

i know

[spark canyon]

These are probably unused

[fair shuttle]

explains why i've never seen them

[spark canyon]

Or leftover from something else

But not a part of cookie clicker

Those tiles are more fit for a 2D top-down game

[fair shuttle]

imma do the browser favicon, that'll make it feel alot more custom

[spark canyon]

Ok, that seems like an idea. I already managed to (accidentally) make the tab call itself Neuro clicker

I just got an idea, we could make the prism into fiber optics

Those cables made of something glass like that carry internet signals

[fair shuttle]

yoo glass fibre optics is a great idea

my mother actually works in that field

the size was a challenge, i think it's alright?

[spark canyon]

Looks pretty decent for that level of pixelation

[spark canyon]

How did you manage to make it into a .ico file? Does one of your applications directly support .ico? (that icon should be .ico if I remember correctly)

[fair shuttle]

nah, i just used an online converter to make the png into an ico

i've done that many times before, for cursors for example

[spark canyon]

Well, that makes sense

[fair shuttle]

is there anything to make the dragons into

[spark canyon]

Not that I can think of, but maybe we'll find something from the rants database once that's done

[fair shuttle]

firefox is lagging quite a bit

[spark canyon]

Try restarting it

[fair shuttle]

i just opened it, i think it may be my drive

although it's a brand new ssd

this may be it ehe

[spark canyon]

Yep, that completely explains it. I forgot drives can get full

As you can see here, I have a lot of storage

Ignore D:, it's a backup

[fair shuttle]

well

now we know

[spark canyon]

What exactly?

[fair shuttle]

... read the text i highlighted in yellow

[spark canyon]

That could be where the leftover tileset is from.

[fair shuttle]

exactly: it's not left over, it's just not implemented yet

[spark canyon]

I don't think it's implemented even in the latest version

[fair shuttle]

i didn't notice there were newer versions because they messed up the formatting lol

[spark canyon]

And our build is actually built on an outdated version itself, so it doesn't have all the patch notes

[fair shuttle]

although they didn't do a whole lot (maybe because it's april fools)

[spark canyon]

Yeah, we're building on a beta, but it had the highest version number for Cookie clicker sources I could find

We're on 2.019, while the actual latest is 2.052 right now

[fair shuttle]

is there any dungeon minigame reference in the newer patch notes?

the imperfect one could be a neuro fumo

[spark canyon]

That could work

And I don't think I see any references to the dungeon minigame (or they are well hidden)

This is the closest

[fair shuttle]

turns out these are part of the dunbgeon

should i just remove the dungeon stuff?

if we are to update, we'll get them back anyways

[spark canyon]

I don't think so, it's probably referenced somewhere, so let's get Velineste to remove those references

[fair shuttle]

but where would it be referenced

[spark canyon]

There's .js files for the dungeon minigame

[fair shuttle]

which isn't implemented and probably never gets called up

[spark canyon]

We should check for references before we delete stuff

[spark canyon]

Just search for the filename of the dungeon script in at least index.html and main.js

[fair shuttle]

index:

[spark canyon]

It's referenced in a comment in main so we should be fine

[fair shuttle]

only comments here

[spark canyon]

Comments are not ran

[fair shuttle]

i know what comments are

[spark canyon]

Cool, I guess it's pretty simple to understand anyway

[fair shuttle]

i'm not good at it, but i have done some coding

i'm not a 6 year old after all

[spark canyon]

I think the scripts are unreferenced, so we should be fine to delete them. Just make sure to check that it still runs correctly before permanently deleting anything

[fair shuttle]

yee

[spark canyon]

You'll have to get that to Velineste though, so that it can be added to the actual modified code

[fair shuttle]

@gritty spade please, if you have not made any changes since build 7, replace your main.js with this. If you have made changes, this is just edits to the the about section, i bet you can merge that in.

[spark canyon]

I'm pretty sure Velineste has changed something

[fair shuttle]

changes have occurred from line 598 (this bit)

until this bit, which is now a different line number

basically all this, which was more than double (if not triple) as long before,

[spark canyon]

That is quite a lot of useless text removed

[fair shuttle]

exactly

you now don't have to scroll on the info page anymore

well you do, but much less

[spark canyon]

Did you delete the useless scripts?

[fair shuttle]

not yet

i have however gotten rid of 5 years of update logs

[spark canyon]

Welp, those weren't important anyway

[fair shuttle]

and i'll be back after dinner to delete the unecessary dungeon files

[spark canyon]

Just remember to check that it still works afterwards

[fair shuttle]

is this used anywhere?

[spark canyon]

I don't think so, but check for references just in case. Also, once you trim everything, send that build so I can update my files

[fair shuttle]

i feel i may just check for references to every image that i don't know

i thought this would be something, it's only mentioned in comments about the dungeons

i think there's leftover / unused code for dungeon implementation here

[spark canyon]

Yeah, we don't need the unused stuff

[fair shuttle]

wait, imma backup real quick

here's the build with the new info screen

and without the dungeon scripts

i mean, in a worst case szenario, we can just copy in the dungeon files from another unmodded build

this exists too

[spark canyon]

And in case we need it, I have the original source still saved

[fair shuttle]

i have the builds 7_3 and up

i may just redownload 7 to 7_2

done

[spark canyon]

Cool, but if you need something backed up, I have planty of space for that

[fair shuttle]

i gotta get acess to my dad's NAS

[spark canyon]

Well, you should probably ask then

[fair shuttle]

weird

i have no reference to BGgarden

but i betcha it's used

for the garden

it is

probably called in the seperate garden javascript

[spark canyon]

There are separate .js files for the minigames

[fair shuttle]

i now, that's what i meant

now i'm scared that clayBG.png is used sonmewhere

[spark canyon]

You should check for references then

[fair shuttle]

thankfully it seems to be unused

i mean, if it is used somewhere we have backups

[spark canyon]

The files from 7_6 are now merged with my build

[fair shuttle]

how interesting, seems they weren't chips at the beginning

[spark canyon]

There is definitely gonna be a lot of interesting unused stuff

[fair shuttle]

well that one's used

[spark canyon]

Interesting

[fair shuttle]

it's the heavenly chips

although they may be in the icon atlas

[spark canyon]

Maybe here?

[fair shuttle]

no, i think it's in the prestige screen

the thing that shows you how many heavenly chips you have

at the tech tree

[spark canyon]

Completely possible

Our filesize somehow increased by 300 KB with the new build compared to the previous one

Even though we deleted stuff

[fair shuttle]

interesting

well i use .zip instead of .7z for ease of use

the extracted filesize is what matters

[spark canyon]

I compared to the previous zip you sent

[fair shuttle]

well then

idk

[spark canyon]

Well who cares anyway? Not like anyone's gonna run out with a difference of 300 KB

[fair shuttle]

this yiellds no results

but there's all these

same here

no results

[spark canyon]

I'm pretty sure the gradients are used

[fair shuttle]

yeah, they are

but what about panelBG and the panelMenu's

[spark canyon]

I don't think panelBG is used, panelMenu I have no idea, but I have no idea what it would be for

[fair shuttle]

i'll remove them, if the game crashes we'll know

[spark canyon]

And check that it also looks normal, in case a missing file just causes a missing file

Instead of a crash

[fair shuttle]

okay now i'm very confused

the prestigeBar is obviously used

but it's got no references anywhere

[spark canyon]

WHat

Did you check every .js file and index.html?

[fair shuttle]

yes

wait imma backup and see what happens if i delete it

it's definitely missing

how weird

[spark canyon]

Did you check the CSS file?

[fair shuttle]

reversed the change, it works again

[fair shuttle]

there it is

how stupid is that

[spark canyon]

How strange, I thought those are only for fonts and stuff

[fair shuttle]

now i know to check that too i guess

[fair shuttle]

i thought the same

welp i gotta turn off the PC

tomorrow i can continue

[spark canyon]

Ok, we'll continue tomorrow then

[fair shuttle]

i am now pixel eliv

[spark canyon]

Cool

[fair shuttle]

i just got another idea

you know how there's an orteil face in, i think it was setting?

let's make that a gymbag

[spark canyon]

Sounds like an idea

[spark canyon]

For some reason this upgrade (heavenly cookie stand) seems to have no effect

[spark canyon]

Fixed by replacing every instance of the upgrade name with "Heavenly Neuro stand"

[fair shuttle]

it's in my build now

[spark canyon]

Good. That bug was kinda bad

[fair shuttle]

i can imagine

[spark canyon]

Hopefully Velineste also gets it to the main modified code branch

[fair shuttle]

what have they actually changed since v7

[spark canyon]

Apparently added some kind of hardcoded credits display at least

I probably don't know all of it

[fair shuttle]

found anothetr thing that's only referenced in style.css

💀

[spark canyon]

Orteil apparently can't write consistent code

[fair shuttle]

found a money, it's referenced quite a bit, put in a neuro, made progress for today

[spark canyon]

Cool

[fair shuttle]

i honestly love how the prestige bar looks, but i'll have to change it

[spark canyon]

You can take inspiration from the original one

You removed the borders for the prestige bar by the way

[fair shuttle]

i did?

[spark canyon]

Yep

[fair shuttle]

that has borders

[spark canyon]

No, bigger ones are supposed to be there

[fair shuttle]

it was an accident, but in a way i prefer it not having them

[spark canyon]

Oh, nevermind

I just forgot how it should look

It's correct then

[spark canyon]

That looks pretty good

[fair shuttle]

gotta think of something better for the cap

[spark canyon]

Maybe the background should be the same as the menus

[fair shuttle]

simply made the cap barely visible

[spark canyon]

That looks better

[fair shuttle]

we should change these