cosmic jay
Hi guys. I want to request a playable character mod of Neuro-sama into BRC (Bomb Rush Cyberfunk), I have go to Gamebanana to request a mod but no one DM me at all (I don't actually know how gamebanana request work but since it's been a week now).( https://gamebanana.com/requests/55846 )
So maybe people on this server will be interested in putting Neuro's in to this game and want the finished mod put in Gamebanana website too..
cosmic jay
Voicelines that I selected can be use here
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kind obsidian
what happened to the quality ?
cosmic jay
what happened to the quality ?
Just ignore the sound quality from that part, It's already like that.
spark condor
If I had the game, I could probably do that.
spark condor
Second option (maybe): I send the files to someone with the game to test
cosmic jay
well that would be great 
cosmic jay
oh. if people who not go to gamebanana link, here what i want Neuro Mod to be :
cosmic jay
spark condor
Seems doable. I'll try.
cosmic jay
Yes, please 
spark condor
I might have got something similar to a model that might work now. That should be the hard part over.
Should just be the materials and some text and then I'll see if it builds.
Oh, and the sound effects.
cosmic jay
@spark condor Sorry for the ping, How was the progress going ?
spark condor
Was working on Portal 2 related stuff for a bit. Wanted that finished before the subathon. Progress will probably continue today.
spark condor
Now working on getting the other textures from Neuro's.
cosmic jay
Ah I see, thank you 
spark condor
I think I now have materials for all the characters
Seems like it's now time for sounds.
cosmic jay
Cool
spark condor
And the sounds are already done. I'm fast with audacity.
cosmic jay
It should be ready to go. Did you want it on gamebanana
yes
i want it on gamebanana anyway
spark condor
I expect a 50% chance of working with around 99.999...% chance for scuff.
cosmic jay
cosmic jay
This has told me one thing: AVOID UNITY.
is Unity really that bad ?
spark condor
It took me 2 days to figure out some stuff.
cosmic jay
damn bro.. Unity is really hard to do huh.
spark condor
Yeah, it's annoying and confusing.
That's one of the reasons why I have doubts about if this will even work.
It's on gamebanana now
cosmic jay
how do i install this files anyway
it very different from using Crewboom mod tho
@spark condor
spark condor
You could try starting with reading the instructions on things IDK. I still don't have the game
Have you found the mod on gamebanana already
I did include a link to the dependancies.
spark condor
how do i install this files anyway <:neurOMEGALUL:1097297318119743638>
I think you need to install BepInExPack, HookGenPatcher and characterAPI, then extract the mod and find the main folder, then add the main folder to BepInEx plugins folder
something like that
At least that's what I could figure out
If you can't figure it out, I probably can
cosmic jay
Nope.. i can't run on that CharacterAPI mod..
spark condor
What is the issue
spark condor
Did you install all the dependancies
spark condor
What does the folder structure look like
Also on my end it doesn't seem like anyone has downloaded the files
cosmic jay
i mean.. it look very sus too.. 
spark condor
which part
cosmic jay
no character preview or anythings to show the in-game look like, so i think no people will trying test it ..
spark condor
Oh ok
cosmic jay
i think you need to find a way to put it in CrewBoom mod
not something that look like a raw file tho..
idk
spark condor
I did follow the instructions for building for the character API
It is possible I failed, or you just didn't install it correctly
cosmic jay
https://gamebanana.com/tuts/16806 from this ?
spark condor
not that one, I included the guide I used in "instructions.txt" in the mod directory
Did it generate any kind of log file
cosmic jay
no log
but most of Character mod files suppose to look like this tho..
json file or something..
spark condor
The character API seems to be slighly different, working as a bunch of instructions that other plugins can hook onto. That's what APIs do
cosmic jay
aw man 
spark condor
the mod itself should be placed in BepInEx's plugins folder apparently
It is also possible that I just failed at some point
would be convenient to figure out log generation though
cosmic jay
https://gamebanana.com/tuts/16806 from this ?
i think you really really need this tho
i think the tutorial said that there need a "json" and "cbb" files to make it work from what i understand
spark condor
The character API doesn't seem to work like that.
And whatever this is seems kinda a bit annoying to do from the start.
Could you check your BepInEx config file
Apparently that should let you enable logs
cosmic jay
this ?
spark condor
the BepInEx one might have an option to enable logging
Also that other method seems like it
's a little more complex in some ways
And I just don't want to have to touch Unity again
I also did just want to try and see if I can make something functional for a game I don't even have. It was meant as a quick project while thing for Portal 2 compute on my GPU.
If it doesn't work, it doesn't work.
Could you show the mod's folder structure
cosmic jay
?
cosmic jay
its your mod files..
spark condor
is there any folders in between the mod's files and mods directory
cosmic jay
if other mod it gonna have something like this
spark condor
are the neuro files on the mod's root or is there a subdirectory
cosmic jay
bruh
cosmic jay
are the neuro files on the mod's root or is there a subdirectory
idk what you mean by this bc that was the only thing that in the neuro folder here..
spark condor
So there's no folder in between the two
cosmic jay
@spark condor anyway, can i have your Neuro model files i wanna try do it myself..
spark condor
like the path is plugins\brc-neuro-plugin\and then the dll
cosmic jay
there's nothing..
spark condor
what?
cosmic jay
it just only this files
spark condor
so you mean that's the folder structure
cosmic jay
idk.. like from that gamebanana comment said that method is outdated..
we head spinning
spark condor
so how would I send the model files
cosmic jay
pack in zip ?
spark condor
where do I send it
spark condor
Does that require embed perms or something
spark condor
Have you tried to find a way to generate a log file or something
I don't know how to share files on Gdrive
cosmic jay
aww
spark condor
I'm still cuite uneducated in using things like file sharing or cloud. I have way too much drive space
cosmic jay
click " +New " and this
spark condor
I know how to upload files
cosmic jay
spark condor
I just know if I was there with access to the computer, I could figure out why it's not working. If just we could get a log file
I'll try figuring out drive
I'm currently writing a description of the files so you know what they contain
Well, now I have a zip
So how do I make sure I don't leak anything
cosmic jay
it only show the files that you share link
people cannot go into other files but only the link that you place here
spark condor
Like, how do I know it won't leak my Gaccunt name or something
Do you have any instructions for making sure of that or does it hide it by default
According to what I looked it at least does not do that by default
Also, the zip is like 440mb, so I couldn't send it here even if I had embed perms without splitting it with 7zip
Is there any alternate file sharing platforms
spark condor
I got some kind of file upload on some site called file io
Do I put the link somewhere
cosmic jay
post it here
spark condor
just in link form?
cosmic jay
yes
spark condor
Ok
spark condor
4 is the one I used for the mod. I included a "INFORMATION.txt" file to give you this info
cosmic jay
ah i see
spark condor
It contains descriptions of all the important stuff
Ask me if you can't get something to work and I'll do my best to help
cosmic jay
nice texture mapping btw
spark condor
The texture mapping was done automatically using a plugin. The manual method didn't work for me
And the plugin method was better anyway
cosmic jay
@spark condor is this normal that it doesn't have eyes here ?
spark condor
I don't know. I noticed that too
spark condor
<@1126307678818422794> is this normal that it doesn't have eyes here ?
It could be a mistake in the modification process somewhere, or a part of how the model was made. Just keep in mind that getting from the original model to one with only one texture is a huge pain.
I'm going to stay available for as long as possible. Probably gonna continue Undertale modding at some point.
spark condor
It is expected to have difficulty with this. It took me 2 days to figure out the model stuff
cosmic jay
spark condor
Of course, much of that was figuring out the texture atlas
I think based on what I read the rig is slightly different for that other method than with the character API
Very similar, but not quite
cosmic jay
still, i really want to make it compatible with the CrewBoom mod cuz it doesn't replace any main character in-game
but man.. did it really hard to make one when you don't understand the modding... 
spark condor
Yeah, I think there is a slight difference in how the bones need to be named
It was difficult for me too, even though I've been modding for like a month or something idk.
cosmic jay
damn bro 
spark condor
And I am usually smarter than average, especially when it comes to computers
I actually have some pretty cool stuff going on right now
My favourite currently is probably the currently training Evil Neuro TTS for making GLaDOS voice lines for Portal 2
What's funny to me is that My modding started with me wanting to replace the credits songs from Portal and Portal 2. The Portal 2 mod spiraled out of control real quick.
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cosmic jay
oh look you have Embed perm now
spark condor
Wow
That would have been convenient a bit earlier
I guess that means I can provide files if you need any.
Do you want the audio I extracted for the mod.
spark condor
Which model are you deriving from
cosmic jay
i tried to rig Neuro model on my own when you not sending me a files yet
spark condor
Which files
spark condor
It does have bones
they are in the original model
The hardest part was figuring out that the model had annoying outer layers and making a texture atlas out of it. The rest was mainly just moving files around.
I can send you the blender plugin I used and explain the process a bit. (or try to)
spark condor
Well, for Neuro try 4 at least I just removed the OLs, then I used the plugin I found to generate a texture atlas from the textures. I then joined the different parts of the model using blender's own object join feature. Then I renamed the bones and mesh like the guide told to do. Then with a little messing around in Unity I got it to animate and have textures in Unity.
No idea if that helps.
and this is the plugin I found for the task if you need to combine textures
cosmic jay
alright ! i think i can figure it out how do it now.. but i don't know how to scale model size cuz Neuro model was very BIG than any in-game character..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBpwLYYAEoU
spark condor
It seems you can do some kind of scaling on the Unity side.
spark condor
I think the character API example's original model was also on the same scale as Neuro
But it was maybe scaled before making it into a prefab. I don't really know, but that's my best theory from the information I could gather.
cosmic jay
@spark condor hey could you send me the Neuro audio files pls ?
spark condor
<@1126307678818422794> hey could you send me the Neuro audio files pls ?
I can't send them right now. I'm slightly far away from my PC and don't want to remote in case it break's the training proccess. I can send them later.
spark condor
It will be some hours before I can get back to the PC and I might not be available that much. I'll inform you when I get back.
cosmic jay
pretty good result.. but the shader going nuts when to close to the camera and alt-skin doesn't match the model at all
dammit
spark condor
Well, that's already more than I got.
With the alternate skins you might need to check that they match the main skin's mapping.
No idea why the shader doesn't like the model, could be the outer layers if you didn't remove them.
spark condor
<@1126307678818422794> hey could you send me the Neuro audio files pls ?
I'm back. Here are the files if you still need them.
cosmic jay
dear god it work somehow...
now i want to know how do i fix the shader flashing when the eyes blinking
spark condor
now i want to know how do i fix the shader flashing when the eyes blinking
I've never seen a shader do that. Could be how it renders the outlines / outer layers if they still exist. That's my best guess
That is some weird behaviour
I can't seem to find any similar cases documented on the internet. At least not at a glance.
But at least you got something functional
I think that might already be better than what I got
spark condor
Oh wow, you fixed something. Now it's defenately better than whatever I could have had
cosmic jay
spark condor
Looks like you have it figured out by now based on how that looks.
cosmic jay
yes, the only thing that i need to figure it out now is how to stop the clipping between the skirt and the legs now..
spark condor
That could be the game's animations not accounting for it or there just not being physics to handle that.
Maybe it could be possible to make the skirt collide with the body to make it not clip trough. I don't know though. The engine should be able to do it, but don't know about the modding system.
