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odd atlas Jan 20, 2024, 10:01 PM

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The layering really likes to get messed up

odd atlas Jan 20, 2024, 11:16 PM

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I think I'm gonna go sleep.

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 2:30 AM

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just discovered that some of the javascript in the xmls doesn't work because it refers to nonexistent fields

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discovered it because a neuroling was doing the PullUpShimeji action on the top of a window which it should not be able to do

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i am going to be extra safe when rewriting this javascript stuff by always using the getters instead of directly accessing the fields because that will allow for more flexibility if we need to change how things are accessed

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 2:50 AM

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Are you rewriting the scripts?

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Because you don't need to use the getters

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Part of the nashorn compatibility mode features is that it tries to access the getters first, before trying to access the fields directly

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Which it can't, anyway, cause those fields are private

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https://www.graalvm.org/latest/reference-manual/js/NashornMigrationGuide/#accessors

Migration Guide from Nashorn to GraalVM JavaScript

GraalVM is an advanced JDK with ahead-of-time Native Image compilation.

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 2:52 AM

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i am using nashorn right now

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and i know i don't need to use the getters

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but using them will allow potentially changing how those things are gotten in the future

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 2:53 AM

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It will automatically use the getters

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They can't access the fields directly

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Access controls

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And trying to change it would break any old shimejis

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 2:53 AM

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Oh, so it sees "mascot.environment" and it automatically does "mascot.getEnvironment()"?

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 2:53 AM

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grim abyss https://www.graalvm.org/latest/reference-manual/js/NashornMigrationGuide/#access...

Read this part here

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That describes nashorn compatibility mode, which is meant to mimic nashorn, so it's the same with nashorn

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 2:54 AM

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oh i am not changing the way the script engine works right now

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i'm just changing the xmls

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 2:54 AM

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I know, but you don't have to

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 2:55 AM

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eh fair

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 2:55 AM

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Even if you keep the script as it is, where it looks like it's accessing the fields, it's actually using the getters

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 2:55 AM

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though for some i do need to change them since the wrong properties entirely are being read

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 2:55 AM

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That was one of my biggest headaches

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 2:56 AM

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one of them is supposed to be checking whether a mascot is on the work area floor but it instead checks whether it is on any floor

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so i'm going to go through and correct all of those mistakes

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 2:56 AM

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I didn't realize it did it, so I was trying to make proxy objects and use reflection to bypass access controls for only the scripts

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That link I sent shows how it chooses which getter to use

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 2:56 AM

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yeah i read it

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i'll keep that in mind

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 2:56 AM

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If it doesn't follow those rules, the xml's doing it wrong

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 2:57 AM

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no the xml does it right

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 2:57 AM

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Otherwise, I would keep it the same, unless we don't care about backwards-compatibility

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 2:57 AM

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it accesses existing fields properly; it just sometimes accesses the wrong ones given the context of what it wants to do

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 2:57 AM

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Can I get an example?

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 2:59 AM

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here's an example of a Condition block in the default behaviors.xml file

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i included the behaviors for later reference, but right now we'll just be talking about the condition itself

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it wants to check whether the mascot is currently standing on the work area floor

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 2:59 AM

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What do you mean by it choosing any floor?

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 2:59 AM

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so it checks mascot.environment.floor.isOn(mascot.anchor)

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 3:00 AM

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I ran into this bit when I was working on it.

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 3:00 AM

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but that is wrong, and checks whether the mascot is on any floor

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 3:00 AM

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Environment doesn't have a floor field

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It calls getFloor()

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 3:00 AM

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instead, it should be mascot.environment.workArea.bottomBorder.isOn(mascot.anchor)

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 3:00 AM

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grim abyss Environment doesn't have a `floor` field

yes i know

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i keep saying this

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it's not getting a nonexistent field

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it's getting the wrong field given the context of what it wants to do

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 3:01 AM

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What should it be getting

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 3:01 AM

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i just said it cirSlain

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 3:01 AM

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Oh, whoops

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I realized right after I sent that

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 3:01 AM

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it okay

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anyway i'm fixing stuff like that

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 3:02 AM

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edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 3:02 AM

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note the upper portion

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that gets the top of the active window

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the condition is supposed to be met if and only if the mascot is on the work area floor

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otherwise, if they start the PullUpShimeji action on a window and the window is moved, they just hover in place

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i experienced that firsthand and that's how i discovered the issue

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 3:03 AM

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edgy siren here's an example of a `Condition` block in the default `behaviors.xml` file

PullUpShimeji is in this Condition block, by the way.

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Right at the bottom.

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I assume that getFloor() used to only return the work area floor, but it was changed and the person who did that forgot to change the XMLs.

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 3:05 AM

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Not really

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 3:05 AM

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That would explain stuff like this. The second line here is redundant.

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 3:05 AM

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grim abyss Not really

what do you mean by this NeuroHuh

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 3:06 AM

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Give me a sec. I'm just double checking to see if I know what some of these classes represent

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 3:09 AM

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the work area represents the screen minus the taskbar

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on windows, at least

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"IE" is used a lot throughout the code and XMLs to refer to windows

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 3:10 AM

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My guess is that is checking if it's on the floor of the current area, or the top of the area, whether a window or the bottom of another screen

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 3:10 AM

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not the operating system windows; the window windows

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 3:10 AM

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The get ceiling does the same thing

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edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 3:10 AM

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grim abyss My guess is that is checking if it's on the floor of the current area, or the to...

yes, it's checking whether the mascot is on the floor of the work area or on the top of the active window

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so the xml for checking the work area floor is using the wrong code because it's also checking whether the mascot is on a window

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 3:12 AM

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edgy siren here's an example of a `Condition` block in the default `behaviors.xml` file

These animations should also work on top of windows, right?

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 3:12 AM

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no

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they should not

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 3:13 AM

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Or, behaviors, rather

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 3:13 AM

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that is not intended behavior

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they are supposed to only do those behaviors when they are on the work area floor

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hence the comment right above it saying "On Work Area Floor" cirSlain

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 3:14 AM

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Not here?

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 3:14 AM

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yes, not there

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the behaviors to be done on any floor go under the "On the Floor" section

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just changed that condition, by the way

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 3:15 AM

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edgy siren That would explain stuff like this. The second line here is redundant.

was previously that

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 3:17 AM

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And what are you changing the work area floor to?

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 3:18 AM

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as mentioned earlier

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hm, i'm also noticing that some javascript in the xmls uses #{code here} and some uses ${code here}
is there a difference

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 3:24 AM

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There is a difference in the parsing, but I don't know what it actually does, cause I haven't looked into it

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Oh, wait

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It's right there

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 3:24 AM

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clear at init frame, it says

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what would that do though

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 3:25 AM

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Does it reevaluate every frame, I would imagine

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Yeah, it caches the result after execution

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 3:25 AM

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i would imagine it clears it from memory after the next frame if set to true, or something

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 3:26 AM

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If it has that set, it clears that value every frame

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edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 3:26 AM

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i see neuroNOTED

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so $ caches it and # does not

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so $ should be used for things which are constant

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 3:27 AM

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Constant meaning during the lifetime of the current behavior, I believe

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It would reset once it switches

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 3:27 AM

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actually

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yeah that makes sense

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because the things in the XMLs which use $ also use Math.random()

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 3:28 AM

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The scripts are built and compiled everytime a behavior is started

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 3:28 AM

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so it would be preferable that they keep the same value throughout the behavior

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er, desirable, rather

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that seems like the more common word used in this context

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 3:48 AM

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Btw, did you see the pull request?

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 3:49 AM

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yes i responded

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 3:49 AM

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Oh, just saw

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Regarding that stuff, yeah, I'd need you to at least clean up the Maven build stuff

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 3:50 AM

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now seems like a good time to mention that i already switched to maven myself because i didn't agree with the maven shading stuff

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also used the nashorn maven artifact as a temporary fix to allow java 21
temporary because i have found a source which suggests that graalvm javascript is faster than nashorn when used correctly

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https://github.com/oracle/graal/issues/3109#issuecomment-801855782
here's the source

GitHub

graalvm is very slower than nashorn · Issue #3109 · oracle/graal

Describe the issue Comparing performance of graalvm and jvm invokeFunction is very slower with graalvm. I test the binding solution of polyglot API and it is worst. Describe GraalVM and your enviro...

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the thing is, you are using the GraalJSScriptEngine in your code, which, according to this, only exists for legacy support and is not as fast as using Context directly

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 3:52 AM

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I mean, yeah. I have seen a few claims like that, and I would believe it. Graal itself may be faster than the standard JVM due to a lot of their JIT compiling stuff

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 3:52 AM

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i mean, this claim comes directly from someone who works on graal

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so i'd definitely believe it

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 3:52 AM

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edgy siren the thing is, you are using the `GraalJSScriptEngine` in your code, which, accor...

If you look at my commit, they aren't mutually exclusive

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I use Context in the GraalJSScriptEngine

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 3:52 AM

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yes, i notice that you use Context

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 3:53 AM

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Well, I guess let me look

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 3:53 AM

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but that's the thing

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GraalJSScriptEngine is just a wrapper for Context from what i can gather here

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it exists only to integrate with the existing Java scripting API

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but it's faster to use Context directly instead of using the script engine

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 3:56 AM

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They are doing something different

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I'm looking at the code

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They are accessing the graal engine through the Java ScriptEngineManager. This isn't using a context at all

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 3:57 AM

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not on the surface, at least

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 3:57 AM

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edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 3:57 AM

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maybe it's creating a default context in the library itself, i dunno

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 3:57 AM

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What they mention here is that they are casting that ScriptEngine to a GraalJSScriptEngine, although it wasn't constructed as such

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Then they take the polyglot context from that

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I'm creating a GraalJSScriptEngine with a polyglot context from the start

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Which, I believe, means that it's fully migrated to the Context API

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 4:01 AM

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Wouldn't this be fully migrating to Context, though?

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 4:01 AM

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That's worse than what I'm doing

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Because I'm using the engine, I can precompile the scripts before running them

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As they don't change after the Script object is initialized, the compilation will save a lot of time

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 4:03 AM

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ah, i see

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 4:07 AM

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I'm looking through the source for it

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It's calling the polyglot context in the background for the eval

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Anyway, Graal should be faster for the scripts. I'm not sure if they're actually that resource intensive, though

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If it's used for runtime execution, I think it'd be faster in general, cause it'd be using some interesting JIT compilation stuff

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And I'm actually pretty interested in using it to generate native images

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It would be more performant and not rely on the user installing a JVM, if we wanted to go that direction

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 4:19 AM

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i suppose so, but i don't want to make changes that big; plus, it's supposed to be cross-compatible and having multiple native executables for each platform instead of one which can run on most platforms might complicate releases, because the Ant script generates three zip files (one for each of the default behavior XMLs) so we would have to generate three zip files for each native executable on each release

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i mean, i guess we don't have to since we don't release in that fashion, but i'm thinking generally

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 4:21 AM

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I mean, the process for generating them is just throwing a jar at the Graal compiler, given you have done a little configuration

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That's the reason I was trying to shade the jar

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The compiler needs it to make a standalone executable

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 4:21 AM

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my point being it's a lot of files in the end

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right now, the program supports windows, may or may not support mac, and has very shitty linux support

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that would be 9 zip files

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 4:24 AM

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Electron's github release

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 4:25 AM

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cirSlain

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be fair though

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electron is much more professional, important, and heavily used than shimeji

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 4:26 AM

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tbh, I don't know what the three default behaviors are for

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 4:26 AM

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edgy siren electron is much more professional, important, and heavily used than shimeji

Also, I don't know what that changes for this

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 4:26 AM

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mischievous allows all behaviors, professional has some behaviors set to never happen, and calm has even more set to never happen

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 4:28 AM

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I mean, couldn't we just add a setting for that?

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 4:28 AM

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no

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they are set in the xmls themselves

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 4:28 AM

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I mean a setting to switch between the xml files

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 4:29 AM

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that would require that everyone has three xml files

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 4:29 AM

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Where are they?

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 4:29 AM

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in the conf directory

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 4:29 AM

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Or, the one in each release

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 4:30 AM

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the ones in each release are renamed to behavior.xml

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 4:30 AM

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The schema?

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 4:30 AM

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and the other behavior files are all removed

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these three

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for each zip file, one of these is kept, and the others are removed

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the original behaviors.xml here is also removed

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and then the remaining behavior xml is renamed to behaviors.xml and takes its place

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 4:31 AM

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Do you have a built release zip?

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That I can look at

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 4:33 AM

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cirSlain no i haven't finished fixing the xmls yet and i don't want anyone potentially using this before that because rhefajvdkanveur

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that was stream of consciousness

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 4:34 AM

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Or at least a pic of the conf dir?

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 4:34 AM

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Of one of the ZIPs?

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ogey

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cirSlain hang on i'm having trouble building it

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cirSlain <-- fairly experienced programmer

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 4:37 AM

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edgy siren that would require that everyone has three xml files

I guess I don't understand why this would be an issue

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 4:38 AM

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grim abyss I guess I don't understand why this would be an issue

it would be a hassle for everyone to have to make three variants of their behavior files

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would also be a hassle to change a single thing about the behaviors because it would need to be done thrice

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 4:38 AM

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Wait, who uses the behaviors?

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 4:39 AM

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... The mascots?

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 4:39 AM

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And these default behaviors are for the shimeji creators?

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 4:42 AM

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they're used in releases for shimeji and are by default only used by the two default mascots, Shimeji and KuroShimeji

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 4:42 AM

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But the creators just pick one?

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 4:42 AM

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i guess so

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 4:43 AM

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Then why can't we just have all three?

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 4:43 AM

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but, if we had a setting for that, they would need to pick all of them

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and then modify all of them instead of modifying just one to suit their needs

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 4:43 AM

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Do the creators pick one to include in their mascot?

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 4:44 AM

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i'm not a creator but i would think so cirSlain

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 4:44 AM

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I'm looking at the ant build.xml...

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The only difference between the zips is that they change that one file...

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And if the creators just choose one in the end, why don't we just include all of them in one zip and tell them to choose after downloading it?

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 4:46 AM

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listen i didn't create this program i don't know what the thought process was CirGone

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 4:47 AM

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Well, I guess my point is, there's no reason to, so there's no problem in releasing three different versions for different OS's

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It'd only be 3 instead of 9

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 4:47 AM

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i just find having three zips for even one OS a lot

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 4:48 AM

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But when are they used?

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I guess for the default ones, but is that really that big of an issue?

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 4:49 AM

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edgy siren i just find having three zips for even one OS a lot

Oh, I misunderstood

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I mean 3 archives in total. 1 for each OS

edgy siren Jan 21, 2024, 4:50 AM

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i am tired right now and i feel like my brain is being assaulted cirSlain

grim abyss Jan 21, 2024, 4:50 AM

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kk

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I'm scared

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I accidentally turn on my autoclicker

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Now Discord is reading some channel on hear in tts, and I can't shut it up

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Sweet silence

odd atlas Jan 21, 2024, 9:45 AM

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I'm back. So what's the state of the Java 21 merge?

odd atlas Jan 22, 2024, 3:47 AM

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The falling forever bug happens with the Java 21 build, still waiting to see if it does on the Java 11 one

severe acorn Jan 22, 2024, 5:15 AM

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welp

odd atlas Jan 22, 2024, 6:03 AM

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Is this two Evilings, two Broken Neurons or one of each?

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(Ignore the Neuron behind the other one)

grim abyss Jan 22, 2024, 6:12 AM

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No way to know

odd atlas Jan 22, 2024, 6:13 AM

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Exactly. The Broken Neuron uses the Eviling's climbing sprites

grim abyss Jan 22, 2024, 6:14 AM

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I mean, more than just that, if you look at the image folder

odd atlas Jan 22, 2024, 6:15 AM

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I guess the Broken Neuron is missing some sprites, so it just has the Eviling's for now. Maybe Pachha will make the missing ones at some point, unless it's supposed to be like that

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There's a bug that can cause a shimeji to run in place

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I added it to the bugs txt

odd atlas Jan 22, 2024, 6:43 AM

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By the way, is there any progress on fixing the memory leak or merging the Java 21 version?

odd atlas Jan 22, 2024, 9:44 AM

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Did you manage to fix any of those bugs? The memory leak especially is really inconvenient.

edgy siren Jan 22, 2024, 3:44 PM

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odd atlas I guess the Broken Neuron is missing some sprites, so it just has the Eviling's ...

promote made the broken neuron from paccha's WIP neuron sprites, plus finished eviling sprites to fill in the missing spots; paccha would have to remove the color from the remaining neuron sprites to complete the image set

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i don't know whether she draws the color on a separate layer or something, but that would make creating the remaining sprites easier because she could just disable that layer

odd atlas Jan 22, 2024, 3:47 PM

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That doesn't seem like it would take that long.

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Did you look at the file with the bug info?

edgy siren Jan 22, 2024, 3:52 PM

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i don't even remember your having sent it

odd atlas Jan 22, 2024, 3:53 PM

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I did, but it has been updated since then so I can send the up to date version

edgy siren Jan 22, 2024, 3:53 PM

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okay

odd atlas Jan 22, 2024, 3:54 PM

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Here's the current version

📎 ShimejiBugs.txt

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It does have some other stuff, but mainly bugs

edgy siren Jan 22, 2024, 3:59 PM

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There should be an option to set a hotkey to make more shimejis
Left-click the tray icon.

odd atlas Jan 22, 2024, 3:59 PM

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I know that does that, but it would be evven more convenient to be able to just press a button at the side of my mouse or something, which works anywhere

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They are mostly just ideas

edgy siren Jan 22, 2024, 4:01 PM

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i'm pretty sure the memory leak is not a memory leak at all and is instead just bad optimization

odd atlas Jan 22, 2024, 4:02 PM

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It seems very much like a memory leak, at least on Java 21

edgy siren Jan 22, 2024, 4:02 PM

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i'm currently adding the GraalJS stuff manually so i'll see whether it causes a memory leak

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maybe there's something being used improperly or some resource not being closed

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in the GraalJS stuff, i mean

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or outside it, too

odd atlas Jan 22, 2024, 4:03 PM

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It does take a while to grow in memory, so make sure to test it long enough

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I think it's also dependant on the amount of shimejis

edgy siren Jan 22, 2024, 4:06 PM

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which is why i thought it was bad optimization

odd atlas Jan 22, 2024, 4:06 PM

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It just seems to grow faster the more shimejis there are. The actual memory for the shimejis themselves isn't that much I don't think

edgy siren Jan 22, 2024, 4:09 PM

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might be because each instance of Script now creates a new thread

odd atlas Jan 22, 2024, 4:10 PM

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Interesting. Well, whatever it is, it is pretty inconvenient to have to restart it a couple times a day

edgy siren Jan 22, 2024, 4:11 PM

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if i can't make it not create new threads for each script, i'll have to rework it to close them once it's done with them

odd atlas Jan 22, 2024, 4:13 PM

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Would be interesting to see the whole thing properly multihtreaded at some point. I could see how many shimejis a core i7-12700K can truly handle

odd atlas Jan 22, 2024, 4:30 PM

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The falling forever bug is still definitely existant in the Java 21 version. Haven't confirmed it with the Java 11 jar though

edgy siren Jan 22, 2024, 4:31 PM

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edgy siren might be because each instance of `Script` now creates a new thread

actually, it's just one extra thread for the whole class; my bad

odd atlas Jan 22, 2024, 4:32 PM

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Ok, that shouldn't take 8GB of RAM

odd atlas Jan 22, 2024, 4:47 PM

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There's a shimeji behind everything again

odd atlas Jan 22, 2024, 5:03 PM

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Seems like the shimeji that's behind everything is now falling forever behind everything

odd atlas Jan 22, 2024, 8:44 PM

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The Java 11 shimejis are now constantly ending up behind Discors and all other windows

grim abyss Jan 22, 2024, 10:58 PM

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edgy siren actually, it's just one extra thread for the whole class; my bad

Script doesn't spawn any new threads, as far as I'm aware

edgy siren Jan 22, 2024, 10:59 PM

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yeah already figured that out

grim abyss Jan 22, 2024, 10:59 PM

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For our purposes, the polyglot contexts don't need to share any state, but they can't be accessed concurrently

edgy siren Jan 22, 2024, 10:59 PM

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it's still really slow though

grim abyss Jan 22, 2024, 10:59 PM

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ThreadLocal just makes sure no two threads share a context

grim abyss Jan 22, 2024, 10:59 PM

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edgy siren it's still really slow though

What is?

edgy siren Jan 22, 2024, 10:59 PM

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our usage of graalvm

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it feels like it is much worse than nashorn when a lot of mascots are on-screen

grim abyss Jan 22, 2024, 11:00 PM

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Memory-wise?

edgy siren Jan 22, 2024, 11:00 PM

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performance-wise

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i have not checked memory

grim abyss Jan 22, 2024, 11:00 PM

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I'm not sure exactly what, but my instinct is that the memory leak would be from the JNA stuff

grim abyss Jan 22, 2024, 11:01 PM

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edgy siren i'm currently adding the GraalJS stuff manually so i'll see whether it causes a ...

And what do you mean by this?

edgy siren Jan 22, 2024, 11:01 PM

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i was taking the GraalJS stuff from your PR manually since the maven commit would have made it hard to merge

grim abyss Jan 22, 2024, 11:02 PM

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Got it

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All of the changes are in Script anyway lmao

edgy siren Jan 22, 2024, 11:02 PM

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yeah i noticed

grim abyss Jan 22, 2024, 11:02 PM

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Yeah... sigh

edgy siren Jan 22, 2024, 11:02 PM

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is there an issue

grim abyss Jan 22, 2024, 11:03 PM

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Nah, it just took a long time to reach a solution that took like 10-20 lines of code

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At least I'm fairly confident I know a bit about what's going on

edgy siren Jan 22, 2024, 11:08 PM

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what was up with that temporary variable map bit, by the way

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i commented that out as a test and the script engine shat itself

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this

edgy siren Jan 22, 2024, 11:17 PM

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odd atlas Here's the current version

Grabbing a shimeji will not start the grabbed animation until the shimeji is moved
Turns out this was actually not a bug, and that the idle dragging animation itself was.
For the default Shimeji, at least. Paccha's were made with that bug in mind.
Coincidentally, though, both the default and Paccha's Shimejis had a separate bug related to the dragging animations, so I fixed those on both.

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Does not render over Minecraft in fullscreen
I think that's just how Minecraft's fullscreen works. There exists a mod for borderless windowed Minecraft, though, which would probably fix it.

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Falling forever bug (when the displays have had no display from Windows,
i have no idea what you mean by "when the displays have had no display"

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Non-bugs (such as feature requests and general info):

Single threaded
Do you want single-threaded? This confuses me because you said a few messages after this that it would be "interesting to see the whole thing properly multithreaded".

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bug report management is hard cirSlain

grim abyss Jan 22, 2024, 11:36 PM

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edgy siren this

When the script engine evaluates a condition, the condition is in the bindings, so it tries to evaluate itself to evaluate itself

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Cue recursion

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That took a while to figure out

edgy siren Jan 22, 2024, 11:36 PM

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NeurOhISee

grim abyss Jan 22, 2024, 11:37 PM

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I think nashorn may be lazily evaluating it while GraalVM is eagerly evaluating it

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So I had to do that to fix it

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Maybe I can get it to lazy eval, though

edgy siren Jan 22, 2024, 11:37 PM

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i don't know what those mean cirSlain

grim abyss Jan 22, 2024, 11:37 PM

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edgy siren Jan 22, 2024, 11:38 PM

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honestly i think using nashorn would be easier

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it requires fewer changes, there's already a maven artifact, and it is made in jdk 11 so we can support more total java versions

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if we used graaljs, we would only be able to support java 21

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i am looking to support up to java 21 but not only java 21

grim abyss Jan 22, 2024, 11:39 PM

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I mean, it should be working with GraalVM, and I think it's worth it anyway, as it's actually maintained so we are sure it won't break it the future

edgy siren Jan 22, 2024, 11:39 PM

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of course, the nashorn maven artifact won't let us support java 8 anymore, but i'm willing to make that sacrifice

edgy siren Jan 22, 2024, 11:39 PM

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grim abyss I mean, it should be working with GraalVM, and I think it's worth it anyway, as ...

the nashorn maven artifact is maintained as well

grim abyss Jan 22, 2024, 11:40 PM

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???

edgy siren Jan 22, 2024, 11:40 PM

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i think the last update to it was actually pretty recent

edgy siren Jan 22, 2024, 11:40 PM

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grim abyss ???

well i couldn't find any old enough versions on maven cirSlain

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wait that's graalvm jdk

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not graalvm javascript

grim abyss Jan 22, 2024, 11:40 PM

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What's the artifact name?

edgy siren Jan 22, 2024, 11:41 PM

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graalvm has a version for every java version i'm pretty sure but i don't think graaljs does

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org.openjdk.nashorn:nashorn-core:15.4

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whoops meant to reply to you with that cirSlain

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okay it's not as recent as i thought but it's more recent than the official jdk's nashorn

grim abyss Jan 22, 2024, 11:42 PM

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I mean for graaljs

grim abyss Jan 22, 2024, 11:43 PM

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edgy siren okay it's not *as* recent as i thought but it's more recent than the official jd...

Well, that's cause nashorn is completely deprecated

edgy siren Jan 22, 2024, 11:43 PM

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grim abyss Well, that's cause nashorn is completely deprecated

it was removed only because it was hard to maintain, but i never found any reason besides that

grim abyss Jan 22, 2024, 11:43 PM

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But that means it's not being maintained

edgy siren Jan 22, 2024, 11:44 PM

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grim abyss I mean for graaljs

brother you used the artifacts yourself why are you asking me cirSlain

edgy siren Jan 22, 2024, 11:44 PM

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grim abyss But that means it's not being maintained

not by the official jdk

grim abyss Jan 22, 2024, 11:44 PM

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Because I don't wanna pull up the project cause I'm lazy af right now

edgy siren Jan 22, 2024, 11:44 PM

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but there's still the openjdk maven artifact for it

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that's a separate thing

grim abyss Jan 22, 2024, 11:44 PM

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edgy siren Jan 22, 2024, 11:45 PM

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yes i know i already saw

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again, it's a more recent version than the one from the actual JDK

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... if i had to guess

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yep

grim abyss Jan 22, 2024, 11:46 PM

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It doesn't seem like it's maintained, though

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If it's not being maintained, what's the difference

edgy siren Jan 22, 2024, 11:46 PM

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even still, it's faster than our current implementation of graaljs cirSlain

grim abyss Jan 22, 2024, 11:47 PM

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I still haven't looked into that much, so I'd have to debug it

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But I think it's worth it to put in some more effort for a better solution rather than just taking the quick solution

edgy siren Jan 22, 2024, 11:48 PM

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i think so too but i'm not adding it until it's actually the better solution

grim abyss Jan 22, 2024, 11:49 PM

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Regarding the graaljs stuff, why do you think it wouldn't support any older java versions?

edgy siren Jan 22, 2024, 11:50 PM

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because the oldest version of org.graalvm.js:js (https://mvnrepository.com/artifact/org.graalvm.js/js/19.0.0) didn't compile with java 11 for that exact reason

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not exactly the oldest because the names of the previous versions in the version list make me think they are betas

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yeah they're release candidates

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not actual releases

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so i'm hesitant to use them

grim abyss Jan 22, 2024, 11:51 PM

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What compiler?

edgy siren Jan 22, 2024, 11:51 PM

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How am I supposed to answer that? NeuroHuh

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The Java compiler?

grim abyss Jan 22, 2024, 11:52 PM

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Was it GraalVM?

edgy siren Jan 22, 2024, 11:53 PM

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no

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but i was able to compile it in java 21 with the default java compiler so

grim abyss Jan 22, 2024, 11:53 PM

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Also, I'm not really sure why you're hung up on not being able to use older java builds

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The 1.6/1.8 versions prompted you to go download them

edgy siren Jan 22, 2024, 11:54 PM

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i upgraded from 1.6 to 1.8 because 1.6 disgusts me

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and jre 1.8 is the oldest version what can be downloaded easily

grim abyss Jan 22, 2024, 11:55 PM

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But why do we have to support Java 11

edgy siren Jan 22, 2024, 11:56 PM

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i am looking to be able to use newer java versions with the program, but not to have to compile it in those versions

grim abyss Jan 22, 2024, 11:56 PM

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Why?

edgy siren Jan 22, 2024, 11:57 PM

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because i feel like most consumers are going to be using jre 1.8 since that is basically the consumer version of java

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plus i don't want to stray too far from what the source does in this aspect

grim abyss Jan 22, 2024, 11:57 PM

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Uhhh

edgy siren Jan 22, 2024, 11:58 PM

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the jump from 1.6 to 1.8 doesn't bother me much since i heavily doubt anyone has java 1.6 now

edgy siren Jan 22, 2024, 11:58 PM

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grim abyss Uhhh

NeuroHuh did i say something weird

grim abyss Jan 22, 2024, 11:59 PM

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edgy siren because i feel like most consumers are going to be using jre 1.8 since that is b...

I have never heard of this

edgy siren Jan 22, 2024, 11:59 PM

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it's called the java runtime environment

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it's meant only for running java applications

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the jdk, the java development kit, is meant for developing them

grim abyss Jan 22, 2024, 11:59 PM

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I know that

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I mean the 1.8 being the standard

edgy siren Jan 23, 2024, 12:01 AM

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also i think setting up the jdk involves extra steps like setting the JAVA_HOME environment variable

grim abyss Jan 23, 2024, 12:01 AM

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We don't need the JDK for the end-users

edgy siren Jan 23, 2024, 12:01 AM

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there's no JRE version past 1.8

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they would need to install JDK

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https://www.java.com/en/download/why-java-8-recommended.html

grim abyss Jan 23, 2024, 12:03 AM

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That's the site that still only mentions Java 8

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That link only talks about Java as a whole, really

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https://dzone.com/articles/no-more-jre-packaging-no-big-deal-1

dzone.com

No More JRE Packaging? No Big Deal - DZone

There is still a good deal of confusion surrounding these terms — JRE and JDK. Here's a look at the differences between the two and why the JDK matters more.

edgy siren Jan 23, 2024, 12:07 AM

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oh okay

grim abyss Jan 23, 2024, 12:14 AM

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I think we should just target newer versions of java

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And prompt the user to get them if they need to, like the current version does

edgy siren Jan 23, 2024, 12:15 AM

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we have an exe with the JRE bundled so i'll have to figure out how to replace that

grim abyss Jan 23, 2024, 12:15 AM

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?

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It does?

edgy siren Jan 23, 2024, 12:15 AM

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it should

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i'm pretty sure it does

grim abyss Jan 23, 2024, 12:16 AM

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I didn't see anything like that when I disassembled it

edgy siren Jan 23, 2024, 12:16 AM

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cirSlain frickin' original shimeji devs

grim abyss Jan 23, 2024, 12:17 AM

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As far as I could tell, it just checks for a java version and prompts them to download it if they don't have it, and then run the jar if they don't

edgy siren Jan 23, 2024, 12:17 AM

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you mean if they do

grim abyss Jan 23, 2024, 12:17 AM

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Yeah

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Although, I wasn't looking for that, so I'll look at it again

edgy siren Jan 23, 2024, 12:18 AM

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... i mean, i do want to encourage persons to install java

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i don't even remember where i found that exe honestly

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may have been the google code page for the original project

grim abyss Jan 23, 2024, 12:19 AM

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It's in the original source

edgy siren Jan 23, 2024, 12:19 AM

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yeah thought so

grim abyss Jan 23, 2024, 12:20 AM

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But there's no way a JVM is fitting in that

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Or, a jvm could, but not a jdk/jre

edgy siren Jan 23, 2024, 12:20 AM

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maybe we should just leave it as-is so it doesn't take up a lot of space

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unless it tells the user to install a specific version in which case we need to update which version it says

grim abyss Jan 23, 2024, 12:21 AM

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I still like the idea of native images

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Would do away with all of this trouble

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Just for reference, the native exec I made, while not completely standalone, is about 15 MB

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I would need to catch up with what you're doing to work further on it, though

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Including other bugfixes

edgy siren Jan 23, 2024, 12:30 AM

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this is why i'm bad at collaborative programming; i just keep adding changes cirSlain

grim abyss Jan 23, 2024, 12:30 AM

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I'm the same

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I mean, I just haven't programmed much because of reasons

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I do like to think I'm pretty well-versed in general programming knowledge/theory, though

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I guess just let me know when the repo is more up-to-date

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You said you like more high-level programming

edgy siren Jan 23, 2024, 12:34 AM

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indeed

grim abyss Jan 23, 2024, 12:34 AM

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I tend to like the lower-level stuff, myself

edgy siren Jan 23, 2024, 12:35 AM

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though it's probably not good

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yeah cirSlain

grim abyss Jan 23, 2024, 12:35 AM

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So I can try to work on the memory leak problem

edgy siren Jan 23, 2024, 12:35 AM

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i just like to think that most high-level things are guaranteed to work the same on every platform because that's how they are supposed to be

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in practice, though, that's not how it seems to work

grim abyss Jan 23, 2024, 12:35 AM

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I mean, it depends

edgy siren Jan 23, 2024, 12:36 AM

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i tried to use the same AWT-related approach with the linux port as i used with windows and it did not work out at all

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the images never got cleared

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each sprite just ended up being redrawn on top of the previous one

grim abyss Jan 23, 2024, 12:36 AM

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Higher-level stuff allows the compiler and libraries to do more heavy lifting with cross-compatibility and the such

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I do think we need to comment a bunch, so we can try to refactor native library stuff, if we can

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Well, for many other reasons, as well

edgy siren Jan 23, 2024, 12:38 AM

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edgy siren indeed

though i'm not saying that i'm not at all experienced with lower-level stuff; i once used JOGL on a project what i commonly view as my magnum opus even though it's a fork just like almost all of my other repos

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Fuckin' JOGL...

grim abyss Jan 23, 2024, 12:39 AM

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Although I end up fizzling out on stuff, I've tried a bunch of low-level projects for fun

edgy siren Jan 23, 2024, 12:40 AM

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i stopped using it when i switched from Swing to JavaFX and realized that JOGL didn't have good JavaFX support yet
in fact, it had none at all and i had to use shoddy third-party libraries to get it to work on JavaFX at all

grim abyss Jan 23, 2024, 12:40 AM

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Including OS and compiler dev, microcontroller programming, digital circuit design for a CPU, and other stuff

edgy siren Jan 23, 2024, 12:40 AM

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well, actually, it did work without third-party libraries, but barely

grim abyss Jan 23, 2024, 12:40 AM

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So, I think it's fair to say I like low-level stuff

edgy siren Jan 23, 2024, 12:40 AM

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grim abyss Although I end up fizzling out on stuff, I've tried a bunch of low-level project...

i end up fizzling out on stuff too

grim abyss Jan 23, 2024, 12:40 AM

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I blame the bipolar II

edgy siren Jan 23, 2024, 12:40 AM

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i blame the adhd

grim abyss Jan 23, 2024, 12:41 AM

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edgy siren i blame the adhd

Also that

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But, anyway, you can leave some of the more low-level stuff to me

edgy siren Jan 23, 2024, 12:42 AM

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that's good, because i wanted to continue using native stuff for the windows images/translucent windows but they just didn't appear on java 11 when i used it

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i added a todo comment for that

grim abyss Jan 23, 2024, 12:43 AM

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Yeah, let me know when the repo is up-to-date, and I can work on it

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I don't want to get into any merge conflicts

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So I'll wait until you push all of your changes

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Btw, are you pushing everything directly onto main?

edgy siren Jan 23, 2024, 12:44 AM

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... Yyyyyes...

grim abyss Jan 23, 2024, 12:44 AM

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tsk tsk tsk

edgy siren Jan 23, 2024, 12:44 AM

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at the very least i tried to make separate branches and do PRs for that magnum opus project what i mentioned

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though the PRs are probably enormous

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the main branch for that repository was last updated 3 years ago and the swing-to-javafx branch was updated 5 months ago

grim abyss Jan 23, 2024, 12:45 AM

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I mean, I'm not one to criticize. I suck at properly using git

edgy siren Jan 23, 2024, 12:45 AM

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i've gotten better at it

grim abyss Jan 23, 2024, 12:46 AM

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I've only really used it once for an internship

edgy siren Jan 23, 2024, 12:46 AM

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i used to push fucking COLOSSAL commits which changed every fucking file at once

grim abyss Jan 23, 2024, 12:46 AM

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And I was basically working on that project alone sooo

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Anyway, keep me posted. I've got to eat and stuff

edgy siren Jan 23, 2024, 12:47 AM

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oh it's been up-to-date for a while

grim abyss Jan 23, 2024, 12:47 AM

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Oh, and just for future reference, when are you usually working on this?

edgy siren Jan 23, 2024, 12:47 AM

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i'm just wondering whether i should push a module-info.java file cirSlain

edgy siren Jan 23, 2024, 12:47 AM

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grim abyss Oh, and just for future reference, when are you usually working on this?

later in the day when my classes are done

grim abyss Jan 23, 2024, 12:47 AM

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timezone?

edgy siren Jan 23, 2024, 12:47 AM

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i.e. right now

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EST

grim abyss Jan 23, 2024, 12:47 AM

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Ah, so it's like almost 8?

edgy siren Jan 23, 2024, 12:48 AM

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it is 8 for me yes

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Holy shit it's 8 and I'm a commuter and I'm still in my college's cafeteria.

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i need to leave cirSlain

grim abyss Jan 23, 2024, 12:48 AM

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kk. I'm basically a NEET right now, so I can work basically whenever I'm up. I'm in MST

edgy siren Jan 23, 2024, 12:49 AM

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ogey AmeliaThumbsUp

grim abyss Jan 23, 2024, 12:50 AM

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I'll checkout the repo in a bit and take a look

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Or pull, rather

edgy siren Jan 23, 2024, 12:50 AM

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do you know how to use java modules

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i want to push a module-info.java file just for the sake of having it

grim abyss Jan 23, 2024, 12:50 AM

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Nah, I haven't worked with Java since high-school

edgy siren Jan 23, 2024, 12:50 AM

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okay i'll refrain for your sake

grim abyss Jan 23, 2024, 12:50 AM

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I mean, I can figure it out

edgy siren Jan 23, 2024, 12:51 AM

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it would be a hindrance though

grim abyss Jan 23, 2024, 12:51 AM

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I spend a lot of time looking at random language topics anyway

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Cause I like learning new programming languages

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Just read up a bit about it. Why would we need one as this isn't a lib?

edgy siren Jan 23, 2024, 2:01 AM

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grim abyss Just read up a bit about it. Why would we need one as this isn't a lib?

i got Stockholm syndrome for Java modules after working with JavaFX

grim abyss Jan 23, 2024, 2:03 AM

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It's just for exposing classes and the such, right? I don't think we need it, because it's not like anything's gonna use this as a dependency

odd atlas Jan 23, 2024, 3:44 AM

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edgy siren > Falling forever bug (when the displays have had no display from Windows, i hav...

I mean I tell Windows to not draw any picture on the screen, by telling it to turn off the displays. Recently I've also noticed a possible connection with coming back from remote desktop, but that one might not exist.

odd atlas Jan 23, 2024, 3:45 AM

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edgy siren > Non-bugs (such as feature requests and general info): > - Single threaded *Do*...

This is a note about it being single threaded, it would indeed be cool to have it multithreaded

odd atlas Jan 23, 2024, 4:06 AM

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I should maybe rewrite some parts of the bugs file to be more clear.

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Rewrote some parts to make them more clear and added a section for things that have been fixed/work as intended (now outdated version)

📎 ShimejiBugs.txt

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Just noticed a couple spaces missing. I think my spacebar key is slightly broken. Been broken probably since I made the dataset for my Evil Neuro TTS (had to write the metadata manually)

odd atlas Jan 23, 2024, 4:54 AM

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For some reason the shimejis just like to end up behind the Discord window

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Seems like the borderless windowed mod is the fix. Cool.

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By the way, it's pretty funny how these shimejis are the one thing absolutely destroying my remote connection, but they are so cute and fun that it's totally worth using the remote connection at a reduced bitrate.

odd atlas Jan 23, 2024, 6:49 AM

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I dragged around some text to test. It turns out dragged text is counted as a window, so the shimejis stand on it

odd atlas Jan 23, 2024, 9:10 AM

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Here's an even newer more up to date version with better formatting.

📎 ShimejiBugs.txt

odd atlas Jan 23, 2024, 9:46 AM

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Anyone who might know of bugs not listed, it would be good to get them to be known, so they can be fixed.

odd atlas Jan 23, 2024, 1:23 PM

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Is there any progress anywhere by the way?

grim abyss Jan 23, 2024, 9:31 PM

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We'll keep you up to date

odd atlas Jan 23, 2024, 9:32 PM

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Ok good

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And I'll try to keep the bugs log up to date

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 5:49 AM

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The Java 11 shimejis are now behind everything.

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 8:33 AM

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I don't think I've ever seen a shimeji transform on it's own, are they supposed to be able to do that?

green echo Jan 24, 2024, 10:08 AM

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In case anyone doesn't want to scroll all the way back up to download whats out
#1174291909066375199 message

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 10:12 AM

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For the best experience I'd recommend the partially experimental Java 11 compatible jar too, as it fixes many bugs with the release jar

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It is here #1174291909066375199 message

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It does need the release version's files though

mortal tendon Jan 24, 2024, 12:52 PM

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Is there a way to make them appear over full-screen games?

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 12:53 PM

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What kind of fullscreen games?

mortal tendon Jan 24, 2024, 12:54 PM

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minecraft for example

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 12:54 PM

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odd atlas Seems like the borderless windowed mod is the fix. Cool.

Minecraft requires a borderless windowed mod to make them render on top, as seen here

mortal tendon Jan 24, 2024, 12:56 PM

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ah ok, thanks! I'll go look for one

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 12:56 PM

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I can link one

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Or the one I used at least

mortal tendon Jan 24, 2024, 12:57 PM

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that'd be great

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 12:57 PM

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https://modrinth.com/mod/borderless-mining/version/1.1.8+1.20.1 This is the mod I used

Modrinth

1.1.8 (Fabric/Quilt 1.20.1) - Borderless Mining

Download Borderless Mining 1.1.8+1.20.1 on Modrinth. Supports 1.20–1.20.1 Fabric & Quilt. Published on Jun 24, 2023. 555816 downloads.

mortal tendon Jan 24, 2024, 12:58 PM

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Thanks again!

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 12:58 PM

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No problem, I like helping with computer things. Especially this thing

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 1:16 PM

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My remote connection is once again dying from the amount of shimejis moving around

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 1:37 PM

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these mfs

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i dont have a lot of assets done for her so she mostly uses evil's
but thats decent so far

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 1:48 PM

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I think it already looks great in this early state

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 1:49 PM

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but majority of her assets are still from evil

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so yeah it'll be a long one

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 1:50 PM

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Well keep making it then. As you said, it'll only take 4 years, so you should try to get it done in those 4 years

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 1:56 PM

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Okay sure thing

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 1:58 PM

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By the way, have you noticed any bugs or other odd behavior or just behavior that should be changed in the application itself?

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I'm keeping a log of bugs and things

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 1:59 PM

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i dont think i did, except for those you already listed

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 1:59 PM

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Ok, I guess my list has a lot of the existing ones then

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 2:00 PM

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yep you did a good job

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 2:00 PM

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I'll keep monitoring it for more, and update the file to match

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Speaking of it, here's the latest version, it has a couple more bugs and things

📎 ShimejiBugs.txt

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 2:22 PM

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im pretty sure ive seen it here but not in this txt unless im just blind but they constantly mess up standing/climbing on windows lol
its always somewhere a bit up there for them

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especially here its obvious where the window is

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 2:23 PM

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Well, that's something new

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I'll add it to the list

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Which version is that?

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 2:25 PM

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odd atlas It is here https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1174291909066375199/1...

this one

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 2:26 PM

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Are you running it on the Java 11 runtime?

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 2:27 PM

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thats a good question

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ooof im not

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 2:28 PM

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You can check pretty easily what the Java version in the PATH variable is, by going to cmd and running "java -version"

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 2:28 PM

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mine's still 8th lmfao wait

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 2:28 PM

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Oh, that could be it

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 2:50 PM

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now they do stand on windows but theyre quite huge

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and crispy

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 2:51 PM

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So now it's using the Java 11 runtime?

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 2:51 PM

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yea

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i guess?

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 2:52 PM

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Check it from the command line, unless you used the batch file method to manually set the path for Java

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 2:52 PM

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im sorry what

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 2:52 PM

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Open CMD, and do "java -version"

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 2:54 PM

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odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 2:55 PM

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That is the correct runtime, the issue might be settings in the shimeji application, here

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 2:56 PM

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nope still huge

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i mean i may not have a 4k display but it used to be fine ehh

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 2:57 PM

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What was the scaling at before?

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 2:57 PM

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1x, i only changed the check from nearest neighbor to bicubic filter

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 2:58 PM

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Did they become less crispy then?

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 2:59 PM

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dont think they did

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 2:59 PM

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Try restarting the application

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 2:59 PM

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still the same

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 3:00 PM

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That reminds me of analog compression artifacts. Could it be the The Clown specific fix?

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 3:00 PM

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man why does everyone's system have different bugs cirSlain

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 3:01 PM

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AINTNOWAY

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 3:01 PM

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There is just so many combinations of hardware it's hard to know if it will work the same everywhere

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At this rate we're gonna need to detect the hardware in every system and just have different fixes for different hardware

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 3:02 PM

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this is why i prefer to use higher-level stuff

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 3:02 PM

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they used to be somewhat this size on my old laptop but now theyre like this here NOOOO
at the same time, its weird that they crisp, they def were just upscaled fow whatever reason

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 3:02 PM

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given that the higher-level stuff works the same on every system, that is

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 3:03 PM

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supple sigil they used to be somewhat this size on my old laptop but now theyre like this her...

do you know what the dpi of your current display is

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 3:03 PM

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nah

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 3:04 PM

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do you know your screen's resolution and physical dimensions

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i think i can calculate dpi from those

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 3:05 PM

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17" and 1920x1080

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 3:05 PM

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is that first one width or height

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 3:05 PM

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oh um

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wait

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oh it says its 130ppi is that the thing

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 3:06 PM

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it might be but i need to use google to find out cirSlain

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 3:06 PM

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Apparently PPI and DPI is the same thing

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 3:06 PM

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except "DPI" is used for printers apparently

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so i guess everyone uses it incorrectly

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 3:07 PM

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And mice use it for some reason

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 3:08 PM

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anyway the default PPI from what i understand is 96

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mine is 240 according to Java AWT, and paccha's is 130 according to some spec

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 3:09 PM

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I have no idea what mine is, but I have 2 displays with pretty different specs and they look pretty much identical

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 3:10 PM

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I wonder whether I can change my computer to emulate 130 PPI so I can test it...

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 3:10 PM

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Resolution probably

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 3:10 PM

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Prob'ly.

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 3:11 PM

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But why do only some systems have issues with it, is it the GPU or display that's causing the bugs anyway?

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 3:11 PM

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i first need to calculate the resolution from my screen's dimensions and 130 PPI so i can set my resolution to that

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 3:11 PM

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Are you both using laptops?

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 3:11 PM

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odd atlas But why do only some systems have issues with it, is it the GPU or display that...

I don't think I even have a GPU.

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 3:12 PM

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An iGPU usually counts

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 3:12 PM

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odd atlas Are you both using laptops?

yeah i'm using a thinkpad p15 gen 1 laptop

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 3:13 PM

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It being GPU doesn't actually make sense, unless you run AMD, as I'm on Nvidia and Intel

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Then it could be the issue if Paccha uses an AMD GPU too

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If it's not GPU, but both of you use a laptop, it could be a laptop screen issue

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 3:14 PM

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the thing is, though, the issue is not present for me anymore since i fixed it

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it is present for paccha though

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and i believe you have said you didn't have that issue on the latest version what i sent

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 3:16 PM

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It could be that the issue works differently on different PPI then, on some hardware common on your 2 systems, that mine doesn't have

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 3:16 PM

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that first thing is why i am trying to test it on 130 PPI

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 3:17 PM

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It seems like it works well on all systems Leotaris has tried so far though, and one of those was a laptop

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So probably not laptop screens

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It could be that, so try to get your screen to that to test. I'll add this to the bugs txt

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What CPU do you have? That could technically give some info

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Also Paccha, what hardware do you have?

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 3:24 PM

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well just google ASUS Vivobook X1704ZA-AU123

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 3:26 PM

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There might be multiple models, the best way to check is trough task manager. Just press ctrl+shift+esc

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 3:28 PM

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uh aight
12th gen intel core i5 1235-u
intel iris xe graphics
what else

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 3:28 PM

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Core count and RAM

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 3:29 PM

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16 gb and 10 cores

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 3:29 PM

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So it's not AMD at least, but we technically have other things. Like the RAM, do both of you have specifically 16GB?

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And the iris xe might be an iGPU, so that should be checked

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I do have an iGPU on the secondary diplay, but it's just a UHD 770

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My RAM is also 8GB on one system and 32GB on another

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Both of the systems I've tested work fine, so I don't know what causes it

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 3:35 PM

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odd atlas And the iris xe might be an iGPU, so that should be checked

it is iGPU in fact

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 3:35 PM

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If The Clown has iris xe graphics, it could technically be that

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 3:36 PM

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he also has this issue?

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 3:36 PM

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Had, before fixing it in such a way his system works

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 3:36 PM

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mhm aight

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 3:36 PM

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it was sort of similar

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do yours interact with the screen bounds correctly

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 3:37 PM

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yea

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 3:38 PM

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do they seem to move too much or too little when you drag windows which they are on

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e.g., if a mascot is climbing a window and you drag the window up a bit, does the mascot move upward a bit more/less than it should

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 3:39 PM

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edgy siren do they seem to move too much or too little when you drag windows which they are...

it seems the same as before to me

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 3:39 PM

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so they are moving at the correct rate

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that is not similar to what i had

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yours seem to just be not interacting with the windows in the correct positions, but that's it

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mine was a scaling issue

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 3:40 PM

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uh no mine's exactly scaling issue evilHEHEK they interact with windows normally once i switched to java 11

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 3:40 PM

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oh i don't mean the mascot sizes

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 3:41 PM

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oh well

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 3:41 PM

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though i did forget about that so thanks for reminding me cirSlain

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what i mean is

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java 8 seemed to only ever return 96 PPI when it was used to check the PPI of the current display

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but switching to java 11 made it start checking the actual PPI

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there was a lot of complicated fuckery which made the program think the bounds in which the mascots could move was much larger than it actually was

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so they kept falling out of the screen

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once i fixed the falling stuff, they would not interact with windows correctly because they thought that the windows were in completely different positions than they actually were

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to be specific, they thought the windows' positions were multiplied by the scale factor of the screen's PPI divided by 96 PPI, though i feel like i suck at explaining this

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so i'll try to use an example

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there's a window at (x, y) with dimensions (width, height), and the screen PPI is 240

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240 PPI is 2.5x larger than 96 PPI, so they think that the window's position is at (2.5 * x, 2.5 * y), and it has dimensions (2.5 * width, 2.5 * height)

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this affects how they interact with it; when standing on it, if the window is moved, they will move in the same way, but 2.5x more than the window did

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 3:47 PM

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it feels like this sort of thing happened when i run it on java 8 i guess

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 3:47 PM

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it also means that they don't appear to be standing on it at all; they just hover above empty space, most of the time

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that last aspect is somewhat similar to what you have, but none of the rest of it is similar

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 3:48 PM

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well yea

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so is there any solution in mind

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 3:49 PM

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well

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i have no idea what is causing your problem

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CirGone

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 3:49 PM

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AINTNOWAY

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 3:49 PM

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i hope i don't have to make it use only java 8 again

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 3:50 PM

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What if Pachha tried the Java 21 version, would that have the same issues?

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 3:50 PM

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i tried it, it runs the app but mascots wont appear

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 3:51 PM

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Was it on Java 21?

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 3:51 PM

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yeah

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 3:51 PM

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i don't think the changes what you made would have affected that, but the fact that it lacks some of the changes in my latest version would affect that

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 3:51 PM

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supple sigil i tried it, it runs the app but mascots wont appear

i had the exact same issue actually

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 3:51 PM

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So there could be some issue common to your systems

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 3:51 PM

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that was the first issue when porting to java 11

severe acorn Jan 24, 2024, 3:52 PM

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paccha if ur wondering about the github btw , its not availabe rn

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 3:52 PM

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oof

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so we just share files here now are we
or did u make another rep

severe acorn Jan 24, 2024, 3:53 PM

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im planning to make another one so im gonna give invite to you

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 3:53 PM

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oki

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 3:53 PM

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Well, getting the application itself to work would probably be a main priority right now, so the Github stuff might be secondary, but whatever gets done I guess

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 3:55 PM

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To summarize:

DeathByPrograms and Superbox are able to run the GraalJS version (also known as the Java 21 version) fine.
Paccha and I can run the Java 21 version, but no mascots appear because it lacks the fixes for Java 11 which I had in my version.

DeathByPrograms, Superbox, and I can run the Java 11 version fine.
Paccha can run the Java 11 version and it works somewhat fine, but the mascots are too large and crispy, ~~and they interact with windows in the wrong locations~~.

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 3:56 PM

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Seems like that matches the current situation pretty accurately

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 3:56 PM

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they interact with windows just fine i told u cirSlain

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 3:56 PM

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i thought you sent a video of them hovering above the windows and to the left of them

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 3:56 PM

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yeah but i was using java 8 at the time

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once i switched to 11 they appeared large but the windows issue is nonexistent

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 3:57 PM

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That one was just a Java 8 compatibility issue

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 3:58 PM

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i'm tempted to fix that even though we might not support java 8 in the future

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 3:58 PM

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Fixing the compatibility with later Java runtimes should probably be prioritized

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 3:59 PM

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yeah i'm going to look into the large mascot issue

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 3:59 PM

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Sounds like a good idea

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 4:00 PM

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though, before i attempt to fix it, i should probably ensure that it's not on my most recent version

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so i'll send a build of it for you guys to test

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 4:01 PM

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Ok, which Java?

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 4:01 PM

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works with Java 11 and up

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 4:02 PM

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Should I try both 11 and 21?

lavish ember Jan 24, 2024, 4:02 PM

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im havin issues

severe acorn Jan 24, 2024, 4:02 PM

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https://github.com/repoclones/NeurolingCollection

lavish ember Jan 24, 2024, 4:02 PM

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all my neurons are weuro

severe acorn Jan 24, 2024, 4:02 PM

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here it is

lavish ember Jan 24, 2024, 4:02 PM

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where evil

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....

severe acorn Jan 24, 2024, 4:02 PM

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lavish ember all my neurons are weuro

did u enable evil?

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 4:02 PM

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lavish ember all my neurons are weuro

Choose a Neuroling from the tray icon right click menu

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 4:02 PM

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have you tried enabling more shimejis in the mascot chooser

severe acorn Jan 24, 2024, 4:03 PM

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severe acorn https://github.com/repoclones/NeurolingCollection

@supple sigil @edgy siren

lavish ember Jan 24, 2024, 4:03 PM

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severe acorn did u enable evil?

how do you enable?

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i just ran the exe file and it gives me weuros

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dont know how to fix this unfortunately

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 4:04 PM

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lavish ember how do you enable?

Right click on the icon in the taskbar, select "choose a Neuroling"

lavish ember Jan 24, 2024, 4:04 PM

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odd atlas Right click on the icon in the taskbar, select "choose a Neuroling"

task bar?

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 4:04 PM

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the bar at the bottom of the screen

lavish ember Jan 24, 2024, 4:04 PM

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edgy siren the bar at the bottom of the screen

it uh

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 4:04 PM

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lavish ember task bar?

lavish ember Jan 24, 2024, 4:04 PM

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it doesnt show up?

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here

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 4:04 PM

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click the arrow

lavish ember Jan 24, 2024, 4:04 PM

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severe acorn Jan 24, 2024, 4:04 PM

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send a screenshot

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 4:04 PM

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it might be in there

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 4:04 PM

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It might be behind the arrow icon

lavish ember Jan 24, 2024, 4:04 PM

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wait

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💀

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hollup

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lavish ember Jan 24, 2024, 4:05 PM

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odd atlas It might be behind the arrow icon

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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wow

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im so dumb

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tysm lmao

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 4:05 PM

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It's that easy

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 4:05 PM

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It's as shrimple as that!

lavish ember Jan 24, 2024, 4:05 PM

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as shrimple as that

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ty lol

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now the gang is all here

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 4:06 PM

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Anyway, back to the previous issue

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 4:07 PM

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here's the latest build; it also includes the neurolings because i test them in this repository and didn't bother removing them before building
plus, they have some fixes

📎 Shimeji-ee_1.0.20_Mischievous.zip

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can't wait to discover that i unknowingly made 20 breaking changes

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(not really)

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 4:12 PM

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shes standing on the link popup cirSlain

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 4:12 PM

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hey she looks possibly normal-sized

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 4:12 PM

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no she isnt actually

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 4:12 PM

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Fuck.

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 4:13 PM

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The jar runs and shows up on both Java 11 and 21 for me

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 4:13 PM

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now i have to apply EFFORT neuroSad

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 4:14 PM

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Looks identical and not at all crispy on my system

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To the previous version

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 4:14 PM

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supple sigil shes standing on the link popup <:cirSlain:604408407365124143>

also i think this is just an instance of Windows treating a lot of mundane things as window objects, like link popups and dragged text and the "Show hidden icons" menu on the taskbar

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 4:14 PM

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odd atlas Looks identical and not at all crispy on my system

i'd hope so, since paccha's also looks identical to the previous version

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if it looked different on yours but the same on hers i'd lose my mind

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 4:15 PM

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Are you sure that's from this jar yet?

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The screenshot Paccha sent

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 4:15 PM

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paccha is that using the most recent build

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 4:16 PM

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yea it is

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 4:16 PM

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okey

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 4:17 PM

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I'll run this version for a while to see if the memory leak still happens

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 4:17 PM

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Does the popup menu for the tray icon also appear bigger, Paccha?

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 4:18 PM

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but they appear on 21 for me btw

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 4:18 PM

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edgy siren Does the popup menu for the tray icon also appear bigger, Paccha?

yeah

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 4:18 PM

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curious

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 4:18 PM

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as well as the menu that shows up when u right click on em

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 4:18 PM

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hmm

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one of the java 11 port issues was that the popup menu appeared in the wrong spot due to the screen resolution scaling PPI stuff, but it was the correct size

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so now i'm thinking

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maybe this is an issue with Java AWT itself on your specific system

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 4:21 PM

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so what does it mean

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 4:21 PM

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if it's a problem with Java AWT itself then i might not even be able to fix it (not without reverting to java 8, at least), but maybe the internet can prove me wrong

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 4:22 PM

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evilBLUBBERS

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 4:22 PM

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same honestly

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time to search through stackoverflow

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 4:23 PM

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If it's an issue with Java itself, it could definitlely be Win 11 compatibility

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 4:23 PM

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Do you have Windows 11?

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 4:23 PM

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nope im on 10

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 4:23 PM

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I have Win 10 on all systems

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 4:23 PM

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I have Windows 11.

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yet another possible cause debunked

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 4:24 PM

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Well, that rules out Win 11 specific issues for Pachha

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 4:24 PM

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it works for superbox and me but not paccha

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so it's not the OS

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 4:24 PM

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It could be some specific driver on the system, those are system specific usually

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 4:25 PM

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i sure hope so

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 4:25 PM

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Or hardware specific

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 4:25 PM

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i also hope that's the reason why the shimejis keep falling in that corner for you since i have never seen that happen on my system

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 4:27 PM

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It could also be a 2 screen thing, unless you've tested two screens. The usual way it happens is, that I have it running for many days, and I shut down my displays (not the PC) for the night or when I go away, then when I come back, they can fall forever

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In that specific corner only

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 4:27 PM

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by "shut down the display", do you mean something like turning off the monitor's power or do you mean having the computer go into sleep mode

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 4:28 PM

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I never have my PC go into sleep mode, but I make it not output and power off the displays

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 4:28 PM

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how do you make it not output to the display

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do you unplug the monitor from the computer

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 4:29 PM

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I have it set in Windows so that when I press the power button, it turns off displays.

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Here

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 4:30 PM

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Hang on a moment.

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Couldn't you test whether it's a 2-screen issue by just disconnecting any other monitors?

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 4:30 PM

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It would take multiple days of normal use just to test, it's super random

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 4:31 PM

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also, when testing, try to test a specific variable and don't introduce extra variables

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the fact that it could be either a multiscreen issue or a no-display issue or an issue from running for a long time isn't as helpful as it could be

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 4:32 PM

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I haven't actually seen it happen with the Java 11 version, only the Java 21 and older builds

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 4:33 PM

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edgy siren the fact that it could be either a multiscreen issue *or* a no-display issue *or...

so maybe try disconnecting other monitors and refrain from turning off the display at night to test whether it's just an issue caused by running for a long time

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or test one of the other variables instead

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 4:33 PM

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It sometimes goes away with another display cycle

buoyant drum Jan 24, 2024, 4:33 PM

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Holy hell. This took me 2 minutes of holding "Home" to get to get to the top SaltyPain

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 4:34 PM

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Just ask for the download if you need it

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 4:34 PM

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buoyant drum Holy hell. This took me 2 minutes of holding "Home" to get to get to the top <:S...

i wish discord had a button for returning to the original post, especially since we can't search in individual forum threads

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 4:34 PM

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odd atlas Just ask for the download if you need it

the most recent download isn't here anyway

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https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1194606299745366026

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this is the most recent release

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 4:34 PM

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But it's in the same Gdrive

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 4:35 PM

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Oh, is it? cirSlain

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 4:35 PM

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Yes

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It is

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I have the link to that stored

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 4:35 PM

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evilHEHEK

buoyant drum Jan 24, 2024, 4:35 PM

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This is still Java 8? SaltyPain

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 4:36 PM

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The release download is

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 4:36 PM

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the one on the gdrive yes

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 4:36 PM

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buoyant drum This is still Java 8? <:SaltyPain:1166409067531599903>

Not for long. aubrey_neutral

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 4:36 PM

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But the Java 11 jar works better in most cases

mellow patrol Jan 24, 2024, 4:36 PM

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rdy to test again neuroWaveA

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 4:36 PM

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hi leo

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 4:36 PM

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Oh, get the latest test build then

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 4:36 PM

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i sent the latest build a bit up in chat

buoyant drum Jan 24, 2024, 4:36 PM

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Any chances to run it with 21? KEKW

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 4:37 PM

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Yep!

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 4:37 PM

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Yes, the latest jar works with 21

mellow patrol Jan 24, 2024, 4:37 PM

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roger neuro7 thank you

buoyant drum Jan 24, 2024, 4:37 PM

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Cool. I will wait then. neuroHypers

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 4:38 PM

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well its pretty much the same but it runs on 21 i guess

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 4:38 PM

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i should probably push my changes to the neurolings to the new repo

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 4:38 PM

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and works better

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 4:38 PM

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It might still be a bit before there is an update to add the new jar to the main download, but it's not too far

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 4:38 PM

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the latest build runs on any JDK from 11 to 21

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 4:38 PM

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yeah this

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 4:39 PM

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The one currently being tested

buoyant drum Jan 24, 2024, 4:39 PM

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BRUH

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 4:39 PM

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i hope i can get the portability issues fixed before we decide to release neurolings again

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i don't want to add the latest build to the repo if it has bugs on some specific platforms

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 4:40 PM

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#1174291909066375199 message This is the one that works with all JDKs from 11 to 21

buoyant drum Jan 24, 2024, 4:42 PM

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Java 6?

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What

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 4:42 PM

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oh the EXE is not updated yet

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use the jar directly

buoyant drum Jan 24, 2024, 4:43 PM

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Oh

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 4:43 PM

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though this confirms that the EXE says the wrong java version number so i will definitely need to change that

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i wonder in what year that EXE was built

buoyant drum Jan 24, 2024, 4:43 PM

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Ok, lets see how many Java processess can 6 core handle

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Seeing Neuro@s jumping from one monitor to another is a one hecking cute detail

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 4:45 PM

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glad to know i didn't break that

mellow patrol Jan 24, 2024, 4:46 PM

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keeping track with 3 monitors is killing my neck rn ICANT

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 4:46 PM

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how does everyone have multiple monitors cirSlain
is this a common thing

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 4:47 PM

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Yes, multiple monitors is a common thing, I think

buoyant drum Jan 24, 2024, 4:47 PM

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Seems fine

mellow patrol Jan 24, 2024, 4:47 PM

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I refuse to work with only one

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 4:47 PM

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You know you can just make more of them under one process?

mellow patrol Jan 24, 2024, 4:48 PM

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?

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 4:48 PM

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I'm not talking to you

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 4:48 PM

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... Have you been running multiple instances to get multiple Shimejis?

buoyant drum Jan 24, 2024, 4:48 PM

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odd atlas You know you can just make more of them under one process?

Yes. Im just running benchmarks

mellow patrol Jan 24, 2024, 4:48 PM

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😅

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 4:48 PM

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buoyant drum Yes. Im just running benchmarks

Oh ok

buoyant drum Jan 24, 2024, 4:49 PM

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Ok. Task manager crashed at 26 proceses

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 4:49 PM

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good luck keeping track of which shimejis go to which processes

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Task manager can crash?

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That's scary.

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Nothing can save you now.

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 4:49 PM

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I once tried to see if more shimeji processes (2) would give more shimejis on the underpowered laptop, but desktop window management died

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On my main system I run one instance on 11 and one on 21

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But that is to test it

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 4:50 PM

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i recommend using only one shimeji type on both so you can more easily tell which is which, if you aren't already

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 4:51 PM

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I have two per Java ver, but the effect is the same

buoyant drum Jan 24, 2024, 4:51 PM

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Ok, this is the limit. Which of the config setting is the ammount of nueros?

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 4:51 PM

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there's no setting for it

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but left-clicking the tray icon spawns a random mascot from the enabled ones

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 4:51 PM

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It's not in the settings (not yet at least), just click on the tray icon

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 4:52 PM

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and right-clicking an existing mascot and clicking "Call another" spawns another of that mascot type

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given what you're doing, though, i think you're looking to spam left-click on all of the tray icons until something crashes

buoyant drum Jan 24, 2024, 4:53 PM

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Yeah. It would be easier if nueros wouldnt attack my tray

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 4:53 PM

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To make sure the tray icon is visible, right-click the taskabar and do stuff in the taskbar settings

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 4:54 PM

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buoyant drum Yeah. It would be easier if nueros wouldnt attack my tray

you could move the tray icons to the main taskbar instead of keeping them in the "Show hidden icons" popup

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 4:55 PM

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The new build seems to be more optimized interms of resources, my RAM is no longer above 16GB all the time

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 4:55 PM

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neuroPog

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i love when i accidentally fix something

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 4:55 PM

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Before, it was hovering around 20GB with 2 processes

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 4:55 PM

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i mean i did do minor optimization stuff but i don't think it would have affected it too much

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 4:56 PM

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Fixing the memory leak might have happened

buoyant drum Jan 24, 2024, 4:56 PM

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edgy siren you could move the tray icons to the main taskbar instead of keeping them in the...

I just love working under pressure

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 4:56 PM

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I don't see it leaking memory

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Might replace the jar in my main version (Java 21) with this new one to get all the configs

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It doesn't like those files for some reason (tried replacing the lib)

buoyant drum Jan 24, 2024, 5:00 PM

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Wait. Shimeji actually uses GPU?

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 5:00 PM

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Oh wait, I might have the wrong files still

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Oh yeah, since the first Java 11 test build

buoyant drum Jan 24, 2024, 5:01 PM

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20% of my 3090 KEKW

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 5:01 PM

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1% 4070Ti

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I got it to run on the old file structure (correct lib now)

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Now I can see the version from the icons too

buoyant drum Jan 24, 2024, 5:03 PM

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odd atlas 1% 4070Ti

Oh, maybe it is because of this (double that on second monitor)

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 5:05 PM

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That's more like it

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Now around 10%

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Total GPU (full system) 30% across an iGPU (smaller monitor) and RTX 4070 Ti (larger monitor)

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15% each

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Technically two cores

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And here's window management

buoyant drum Jan 24, 2024, 5:08 PM

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Ok, system is starting to not like it anymore

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 5:09 PM

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Just replicated the stuck to cursor bug

buoyant drum Jan 24, 2024, 5:09 PM

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Just shake her off KEKW

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I should finally upgrade the CPU lol

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 5:09 PM

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These are all attached to the cursor, and I'm not pressing the mouse button

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 5:11 PM

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honestly, i don't think i'll be able to fix the cursor bug; i can only theoretically prevent it via optimization since it only happens when the program is lagging

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 5:11 PM

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Yeah, it's really laggy right now

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On very powerful systems this is technically a way of multithreading (running more instances)

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But I think it might benefit from better RAM for window management

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Not sure though

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They still completely stop when switching screens

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I think the main bottleneck is moving around so many "windows"

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 5:19 PM

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oh wait i forgot to ask paccha to test something

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i wanted to see whether the mascots were also too large in windowed mode

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 5:20 PM

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how do i even enable "windowed mode" for them

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 5:21 PM

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go to the settings and look under "Window Mode"

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 5:21 PM

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nope theyre normal size in there

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 5:21 PM

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okay thanks

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 5:22 PM

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Maybe it's using an incorrect display resolution in normal mode?

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Check the environment data

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AKA the reveal statistics menu option

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 5:24 PM

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oh hollup

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first, they are large in windowed mode too cirSlain i was running the old version sorry
second, this i guess

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 5:27 PM

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What does it look like in non-Windowed mode

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 5:28 PM

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Hmm

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 5:28 PM

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The environment doesn't match 1920 x 1080

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 5:28 PM

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it indeed doesnt

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 5:28 PM

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That's way off

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It should look something like this (this is for 2560 x 1440)

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 5:29 PM

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yeah i see that

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 5:29 PM

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So now we know what's going wrong

supple sigil Jan 24, 2024, 5:30 PM

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PauseSama

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 5:30 PM

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Now somehow just figure out why it's happening

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I think it's setting the resolution of the environment wrong, causing the shimejis to get rendered in the wrong size and get blurred from pixel-aligning

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That would fully explain the issue and it's effects, but the root cause is still unknown

mellow patrol Jan 24, 2024, 5:37 PM

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I get the impression, that Neuron and Weuron doesn't clone themselves as much as the others

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 5:37 PM

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It's random, so it might just be random chance. There is also a cloning limit I think

mellow patrol Jan 24, 2024, 5:38 PM

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it is? I didn't know that

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 5:38 PM

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Cloning is a behavior, and behaviors have chances attached to them

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I wrote down what we know so far (I think)

📎 ShimejiBugs.txt

mellow patrol Jan 24, 2024, 5:42 PM

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odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 6:10 PM

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edgy siren okay thanks

I think the issue is with it setting the resolution of the environment to be different (smaller) than what's rendered

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 6:34 PM

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Seems like the memory leak is fixed

mellow patrol Jan 24, 2024, 6:51 PM

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I can confirm that

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 6:51 PM

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That's a good patch

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Now let's hope this bigger visual bug can be figured out

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That for some reason is unique to Paccha's system

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 7:01 PM

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fun shimeji fact: it's possible for a mascot to have separate left and right sprites for any pose

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rather than flipping the same sprite

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 7:04 PM

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Interesting.

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Do you have any idea why the resolution of the environment would become that wrong?

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 7:07 PM

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i might

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give me a second

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 7:08 PM

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I'll wait

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 7:36 PM

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never mind cirSlain

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 7:37 PM

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Ok

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But at least we have some info better than the immediately visible effects

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Knowing what causes the effects of the bug could help to find the cause of the bug, but without knowing Java, I don't know if I can get closer than this

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Actually, could Paccha's PC be reporting an incorrect resolution to shimeji/Java?

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That would explain why only Paccha has the bug

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How would shimeji behave if it got an incorrect display resolution value from the OS, that doesn't match the actual resolution?

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By the way, you might have accidentally patched the falling forever bug in the earlier jar, because I've not seen it happen with that jar

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 7:55 PM

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technically that's what java 8 did, but java 8 worked differently in regards to DPI/PPI

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 7:56 PM

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So what would happen if the Java 11+ version got an incorrect resolution?

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 7:56 PM

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cirno_shrug

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 7:57 PM

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Is it possible that that's what's happening to Paccha?

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 7:57 PM

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possibly

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i am guessing that java itself is getting the wrong DPI/PPI which is why all of the collisions still work for paccha

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they probably wouldn't work if it was on my end

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 7:58 PM

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Would it be possible to calculate the resolution instead of pulling it from the OS?

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 7:58 PM

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how else would i be expected to get the resolution

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 7:59 PM

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What does it currently do?

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 7:59 PM

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uses AWT and native Windows stuff to get the screen size

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note that using AWT gets a smaller size, but that is supposed to happen because it's ignoring DPI-related scaling

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or maybe i should say it's taking that into account by dividing the resolution by the scale factor

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 8:01 PM

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Could we somehow check what Paccha's system is reporting for resolution?

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 8:01 PM

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i'd say the statistics window already provided that

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 8:02 PM

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But that could techically be a calculation error somewhere, for some reason. I'll test something real quick and see what happens

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Well, this happened

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 8:03 PM

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AmeliaWhat

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what the fuck did you just test

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 8:03 PM

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I changed windows screen scaling to 125%

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 8:03 PM

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Whilst it was running?

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 8:03 PM

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Yes

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It really didn't seem to like that

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It does the same even if I run it after changing it

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 8:05 PM

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Oh, what? I already tried changing it between executions.

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It didn't look like that for me.

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 8:06 PM

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Well, I have 2 displays, I changed the secondary one

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Changing on the main one works even runtime

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I think it only checks for scaling on the primary display, not any others

edgy siren Jan 24, 2024, 8:08 PM

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i don't think paccha uses multiple displays though

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and besides hers didn't look like that

odd atlas Jan 24, 2024, 8:08 PM

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Yeah, so that's clearly an unrelated bug

#desktop neurons