Neuro ARG - Cracking the "Numbers" Video

[hasty vale]

let's say we have a string abccc, normalizing it it would be 01222
we then have a string defff that we think might be decoded abccc string
we normalize it and it normalizes to 01222 as well, so it counts as a hit

there is no permutation in this process, the permutations will come after as abccc string is actually abcccdef0123456789 since we only translated 3 characters out of 16

[clever lintel]

This may be for the better. When things calm down we can focus

[half lily]

Just a simple curiosity, does the formula for the golden ratio does anything? I couldn't read the older messages

[gloomy cedar]

This appears to be a really tough programming puzzle and many of us don't know any programming so best we can do is throw out ideas and hope it gives someone a eureka moment.

[hasty vale]

oh yeah much more magic

[clever lintel]

It's best to stick to what you know. Random ideas are only good if you can put some effort into them. We're all capable of generating many more ideas than we can possibly investigate

[hasty vale]

ok i haven't thought that i would get this far but it only just hit me i can't manually check millions of possible file decryptions for validity

i don't think python can do that automatically so this is where someone with a 'real' programming language would come in

[clever lintel]

Nah, the challange is the same in both lower and better-tooled languages. You gotta validate and check the file as is

[upper orbit]

Let me create an explanation for myself and for others and you will say if my explanation is correct. First you get a hex version of description. Then you normalize this hex_desc. Then you get a signature for an extension, for example a png (hex signature is 89 50 4E 47 0D 0A 1A 0A). You normalize this signature. And if the normalized signature is the same as normalized hex_desc (its first 8 characters in this case because the length of a signature is 8 characters) then you suggest that hex_description is a file with this extension (png in this case) but it was encrypted somehow and 89 became 06, 50 became F9 and so on. Is this correct?

[hasty vale]

these are 16 characters, not 8, spaces are decorative, but well yes

[upper orbit]

Ok, then good luck. I'll try to come up with some other solution but maybe I'll help you in future if you need my help

[hasty vale]

mfw it asks me to give it admin rights to run millions of corrupt files

also _execute_child very funny, extremely hilarious.
i am going to put this on hold until i get a vm for this or something

[clever lintel]

fairly sure the solution isn't going to be P2W, so no VPS should be required

[spring widget]

are you building and running hundreds of executables

[hasty vale]

i havent done anything yet, i've just tried to run sad.jpg with python to see what it would even say

[upper orbit]

I understand the process of getting potential file signatures (there is no permutation in this process). But why do you need a permutation later? For me it looks like we need to define file signatures that could be used. Save them somewhere. And then think "What algorithm was used to encrypt original hex sequence?". And try different algorithms to decrypt the hex_desc and get needed signature and working file. It's like cracking Caesar cipher: you have encrypted message and you try different steps to decrypt the message and to get meaningful text. So we have to try different algorithms with different settings in order to get some king of file signature and a working file that will help us. Correct me if I am wrong.

Also I have a slight feeling that we are on a wrong path. But it's too late to stop, we need to check different theories about file signatures

[clever lintel]

But it's too late to stop,
Sunk cost fallacy

[hasty vale]

permutations are the ones thinking "what algorithm was used to encrypt".
i can give you dictionaries for files, which letter matches which and you can sit on them. i really doubt if there is hex manipulation involved there's some sort of analog cipher going on

[upper orbit]

It would be great to get these dictionaries. Maybe others can think of a solution

[hasty vale]

there, now it's correct.
anyone who can do millions of hex permutations in their brain is free to try

[sacred ruin]

only millions?

[hasty vale]

the problem isn't the amount but that all of them except one (if even one) are corrupted

[sacred ruin]

wait whats hex permutation

mixing hex?

[hasty vale]

it's basically the same custom alphabets you did with base64 but only hex and with few first letters locked in

[sacred ruin]

like

what do i do with the hits

like

[hasty vale]

run them

[sacred ruin]

in the file theres AEC

arc

the first one being 1A A6 0F 49

so i just have to transform them into letters?

[hasty vale]

i dont understand what you are asking

[sacred ruin]

what am i suposed to do with the list you gave me

[frosty spade]

what are we currently working on

[hidden crater]

is 0 a valid number in fibonacci sequence?

if we start at 0+1 we kinda get extra step

[inland kayak]

no

[hidden crater]

okk

[inland kayak]

I don't think so at least

let me check

@hidden crater it goes 0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5

[hidden crater]

google says yes

[pale fossil]

it is valid

[inland kayak]

I shoulda known because I wrote the Fibonacci sequence in C

[hidden crater]

i found another coincidence involving number 17 and fibonacci

[pale fossil]

?

[hasty vale]

it's a list with possible extensions and dictionaries for translation.
for example, for .386 file character "4" must be translated as "0", character "D" as "6", "5" as "F" and "A" as "9".
the rest of the hex characters ("123789bce") must be permutated to get all possible translation variations.
then this translated hex string needs to be decoded to bytes and ran as a file

[hidden crater]

if we are to lookup characters in that big text, we get 17 hits

[tiny garden]

do they translate to anything meaningful?

[hidden crater]

idk it's kinda weak because we get 1 twice

i was thinking that we may need to replace them with something or shuffle around

here is the string BvvmS+NPGvn8u3+fS

[pale fossil]

but really what use this for ?

not a valid base64

[tiny garden]

yeah the base64 isn't text sadly

[harsh folio]

i found out what you can grab absolutely random part of code you encoded and slap it in decode several times and it always gives correct answer eventually

[muted goblet]

Sort them by entropy

def range_bytes(): return range(256)
def entropy(data, iterator=range_bytes):
    if not data:
        return 0
    entropy = 0
    for x in iterator():
        p_x = float(data.count(int(x)))/len(data)
        if p_x > 0:
            entropy += - p_x*math.log(p_x, 2)
    return entropy```

[harsh folio]

ofc it doesn't work with desc code so it obviously protected with key or something

[hasty vale]

how would entropy be of any help, don't files have the most random entropy imaginable

[tiny garden]

huh

[muted goblet]

unless it's a raw deflate stream there should be enough file structure for it to have lower entropy than noise

espically since you're assuming magic bytes

[harsh folio]

so my point is what modify just, for example, initial part of base code will not do anything, maybe if whole code tho

[harsh folio]

ah, yes, you can delete initial part of this code too and it will still works

[sacred ruin]

alright

what files are we looking for

and what are the rest of the hex characgers

[hasty vale]

all 32 extensions in the list.
rest of hex characters is what needs to be figured out (by permutations)

[inland kayak]

ok so now that everyone is on, what do I do?

I forgot

[hasty vale]

can c or java check file validity

[sacred ruin]

python does it easily

everything can be done with python

[inland kayak]

that sucks because I despise python

[sacred ruin]

too bsd

[inland kayak]

probably yeah

I can make it work

[sacred ruin]

its what we use

making them fast

[inland kayak]

why are so many people telling me I can't write in my preferred language

[sacred ruin]

my bad

its what i use

[inland kayak]

C is faster than python, Java probably is too

[sacred ruin]

use whatever you want

[inland kayak]

I'll decide based on the task

[hasty vale]

just take that txt file, surely c can read json

[sacred ruin]

oh but i can do a python script in like 15m

[inland kayak]

what txt file

[sacred ruin]

i just have no idea what to do

[inland kayak]

oh but c is faster than python

[sacred ruin]

its a few milliom

[inland kayak]

and it'll take like 30 mins anyways

[sacred ruin]

python handles it easy

[hasty vale]

#1112401279680008242 message

[sacred ruin]

right

[inland kayak]

kk what do I do with it

[inland kayak]

go do something else I can handle this

[hasty vale]

it's a list with possible extensions and dictionaries for translation.
for example, for .386 file character "4" must be translated as "0", character "D" as "6", "5" as "F" and "A" as "9".
the rest of the hex characters ("123789bce") must be permutated to get all possible translation variations.
then this translated hex string needs to be decoded to bytes and ran as a file

[inland kayak]

oh so the same thing

I'll get started then

[sacred ruin]

theres nothing else to do so ill 1v1 you

[uncut hare]

ill do it in javascript

[sacred ruin]

sure

[uncut hare]

[sacred ruin]

anyone else with another language

[inland kayak]

lemme open clion

[clever lintel]

Do it in brainfuck

[sacred ruin]

i

huh?

[hidden crater]

just do it with pen and paper guys

[sacred ruin]

im not ++++++++

[vale quarry]

wouldn checking file validity be trying to decode it based on the possible extension/content? like a png to rgb byte array for example?

[sacred ruin]

actually

[copper harness]

chicken language is better

[graceful mulch]

@copper harness has leveled up! (11 ➜ 12)

[sacred ruin]

i want to watch bleach

bye

echo can do this

[harsh folio]

bleach > arg

[sacred ruin]

^^

[hasty vale]

what's a possible extension/content of a .com file

[sacred ruin]

.com

[clever lintel]

imagine if people refer to the com format

[sacred ruin]

a webfile

[vale quarry]

those were/are smaller dos programs i think?

[clever lintel]

nawh, it's an old thing

[sacred ruin]

oh

com port?

[clever lintel]

Imagine googling https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COM_file

[inland kayak]

alright installing json

[vale quarry]

it probably has some structure. in a week or two i'll get into this more but exams ;_;

[sacred ruin]

i cant google im watching bleach

[clever lintel]

no answers 4 u then

[sacred ruin]

aw

thats fair

bleach is more important

[inland kayak]

waiting for json to install lmao

[upper orbit]

@hasty vale Wait, I just thought. Will permutations actually help us? Wouldn't it be just creating random files with different extensions? Also I doubt Vedal would do a riddle that can be solved only by a really long enumeration. Probably we either miss some info (can be in "Study") or we are just too focused on bruteforcing and we haven't seen normal solution yet. Still you can try, I just don't know how long it will take. I'll think about doing something with file signatures but if I don't come up with a good theory then I'll focus on something not connected with file signatures

[inland kayak]

i honestly don't think this is the solution

[graceful mulch]

@inland kayak has leveled up! (8 ➜ 9)

[inland kayak]

stfu

[sacred ruin]

still installing json?

[snow crystal]

I assume if this channel is able to find a solution it will most likely not be the intended one

[inland kayak]

i'm still new to CLION so vcpkg is being weird

[hasty vale]

it would be creating a bunch of random files indeed.
but i was never focused on finding a normal solution

[sacred ruin]

understandable

[inland kayak]

clion is being so strange

[clever lintel]

Absolutely lel

[inland kayak]

OH I AM SUCH AN IDIOT

i was using the wrong project target when including the lib

ok

[inland kayak]

this is way too small of a list

there are many more file signatures than this

also it's not even what i would classify as correct json

who made this lmfao

[clever lintel]

What's wrong with it?

[hasty vale]

i made this for "readability".
those are all the hits for signatures it got

[inland kayak]

everything is arrays

[clever lintel]

i mean you have arrays in json lel

[inland kayak]

but like

why

[clever lintel]

i kinda wanna see it now

[inland kayak]

oh they were

?

i thought it was just random filesigs

so am i still doing the same thing with that file?

[hasty vale]

this thing
#1112401279680008242 message

[inland kayak]

...huh?

what is the goal here?

[hasty vale]

the goal is to get millions of files and check if they are valid (not corrupted)

[inland kayak]

yeah but like what does that mean for the project here

[hasty vale]

whatever we would find in a valid file
that is if we find a valid file

[inland kayak]

i think it's unlikely

[hasty vale]

ok

[clever lintel]

I mean, we're all doing things that are unlikely

or at least I am too

[inland kayak]

what correlation does that and fibonnacci have?

[hasty vale]

none?

[inland kayak]

i mean that's fair

there's no point in making a competition out of it though, seems someone is already writing it so i'll pass

[hasty vale]

i don't htink anyone is writing that

[inland kayak]

i'm going to stay in contact with friends ig, one of them had to go to sleep? as i was talking to him

[hasty vale]

sure

[inland kayak]

one of the things we tried was xorring with the fibonacci

the hex file

[clever lintel]

Not a bad idea. It was documented, right?

[inland kayak]

no, ill add it

where should i?

[clever lintel]

number thread library is probably the best place

[pale fossil]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1haiT--yrMQAhPNJlqa5JU5FbEwrkOOWWBg8FHP1vXB0/edit

^ this one

[inland kayak]

done

[clever lintel]

heck ya! Now people won't have to try it again

[uncut hare]

[inland kayak]

is this the script I was supposed to write?

[uncut hare]

something like that

[inland kayak]

if so, good job cuz I decided not to lmao

I have stuff to do today

[uncut hare]

its too slow and im not going to make it faster so its gone now

[inland kayak]

what language?

is?

*js

[uncut hare]

[kindred parrot]

ok guys what if its about neural networks? the lyrics are info about hyperparameters and the description is the .pt file or smg

[minor fiber]

or pickles

[clever lintel]

... what if the data is read as pickles :I

(actaully don't test this unless you got a sandbox or VM)

[desert anchor]

Hello everyone, any news?

[shell silo]

ehhh

(

[unique obsidian]

hey has anyone tried the side-channel attack thing? just checking, as its in the docs

[clever lintel]

If nobody's documented trying you might as well assume that nobody's tried. Hearsay won't cut it if we want to root out the real solution. We gotta document our findings, even the dead ends

[muted goblet]

They're more based on physical access to a machine, or at least a black box implementation of the cipher available to us. not really relevant in this case

[tiny garden]

yeah side channel attacks aren't really relevant here

[clever lintel]

Ah, if that's the case we probably should either remove that bit or write why it's not a thing

[steel linden]

whats been found so far with Numbers?

[clever lintel]

You get one guess. Get it right and you get another

[steel linden]

(sorry found the doc now)

[clever lintel]

Lmao no problem

[upper orbit]

Maybe also we (or at least some people here) should try to think about description from scratch. Because those who is trying to do something now (at least those who we can see in this discussion) are focused on 1 thing (trying to get some file) which is probably not a solution. So it's better for some people to think about description from the scratch

[steel linden]

if a spectrogram is still needed I do have one

[clever lintel]

check docs if it's needed

[steel linden]

says unverified

[minor fiber]

i tried "finding all these numbers" => 123456789 then start with number 2 and continued but no luck

[fleet holly]

Do you guys think they are hiding something behind neuro? its kinda weird about her swaying

[minor fiber]

people analysed the video on slow mode no ? i mean you can try if you want

[hasty vale]

it's stock model movement

[fleet holly]

slow but have they tried editing the video?

[minor fiber]

could try, the other video had a lot of visual hidden clues

this video only have like the golden ratio

[hasty vale]

people already went through numbers frame by frame btw

and i personally even brightened them

[fleet holly]

ah

[clever lintel]

Honestly not a bad idea. If you investigate I'd love if you put it in the doc!

[hasty vale]

there's nothing behind her other than compression artifacts

[tiny garden]

this is fine

oh and don't forget the random wikipedia pages

[steel linden]

truly a test of sanity

or lack there of i guess

[thorny robin]

Same

[night galleon]

insane

[hasty vale]

want to see more compression artifacts?

[night galleon]

i don't think there's anything behin there

[inland kayak]

I take it we haven't explored the actual video file yet

[hasty vale]

it's on youtube, there's nothing to explore

unless you want to reverse engineer youtube compression

[muted goblet]

Grasping at straws here, but has anyone tried running any wordlists through unsalted openssl with pbkdf2?

[clever lintel]

I think the best source of that answer would be in the docs. I haven't tried but maybe someone did and wrote it down

[shell silo]

Has anyone tried using Ciphey to decrypt the text?

[clever lintel]

Is it in the docs?

[shell silo]

nope

Ciphey is not adecrypting method

[clever lintel]

then if someone has tried, it doesn't count cause they didn't document it :)

Also, that looks like a pretty neat tool

I'd love to hear how it turns out

[shell silo]

Ciphey is a fully automatic decryption/decoding/cracking tool using natural language processing and artificial intelligence.

Maybe that will work

[hasty vale]

are you sure this is correct, or otherwise what am i even supposed to put as data, bytes, or str

ok i got it working.
but it's so slow

[clever lintel]

We absoultely should try it. No stone unturned. Do you wanna do the honors? I'll add it to the tool list

[minor fiber]

oh wait vedal actually joined this thread we can't hide things from him anymore

[hasty vale]

can't even let a person lurk in peace, have to call them out smh my head

[clever lintel]

not like we could if he didn't. He could just make a lurker account

[muted goblet]

You could use PyPy to roughly 2x it, and only look at the first 32 bytes instead of the entire payload

[minor fiber]

i keep getting stuck on "Finding all these numbers" because that would mean there is numbers hidden somewhere that we need to find but we check the video in every angles and the only thing we got is fibonacci

[hasty vale]

doesn't checking only 32 bytes make it inaccurate?

it went from 7.3 lowest entropy to 4.6 when only first 32

also i don't think doubling th speed is going to help when it's 67 000 iterations per minute and I need 150 billion

[muted goblet]

Technically yes, but in practice I don't think it matters. I'd reckon the majority of structure for most payloads would be near the start anyway. I've never had a false positive with billions of keys for AES in the past using only 16 bytes nevermind 32

[muted goblet]

Entropy will always drop with less data, that's normal

[shell silo]

I'm working on it

[clever lintel]

Alright, awesome! Even if it doesn't pan out it's another thing to rule out

[shell silo]

I'm now trying to decrypt the text of static-sama

Seems that it works

[desert anchor]

Add another ~15 tabs that I closed just now

[desert anchor]

What are you trying to decipher it with?

[hasty vale]

decrypting hex

[shell silo]

it is hard to explain. I guess I will give you the address

https://github.com/Ciphey/Ciphey

[desert anchor]

Yes thx... I have already seen and am reading the readme

[clever lintel]

seems like it's an autosolver

well, if it can be autosolved it wasn't hard enough :p

[shell silo]

Using AI... But it has its limit

[graceful mulch]

@shell silo has leveled up! (4 ➜ 5)

[shell silo]

But at least the text from static-sama can be encrypted now

Got it, I guess

[clever lintel]

I'll look into soundexPlaintext after the stream and confirm :)

[shell silo]

yes, that is good

[clever lintel]

Thought you were doing the description, tho

but hey, small victories too

[shell silo]

yes, it is inspiring, anyway

[pale fossil]

ohhhh thats cool

[turbid solar]

[pale fossil]

decrypted*

prob what he meant

[shell silo]

p

[turbid solar]

I know

But I am confused how ciphey does it

What is soundexPlaintext

How does it get from those long strings, to the cleartext

[clever lintel]

i googled it. It's a thing. I will look into it after stream

[dull cedar]

it's probably just https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soundex

[turbid solar]

and atbashPlaintext

[muted goblet]

It looks like a false positive, soundex ciphertext looks like H236 I200 I500 T000 P230 not hex

[pale fossil]

there is a way to proof check ?

[clever lintel]

yee not this then. Gotta verify results manually

[shell silo]

yep

[calm zealot]

it could just be a matter of encoding, if you decode from hex then encode to base64 then maybe it'll look like valid soundex ciphertext

[muted goblet]

then ciphey would've shown those formats used in the solve

[graceful mulch]

@muted goblet has leveled up! (2 ➜ 3)

[clever lintel]

Right, it might have seen something interesting along the way

[shell silo]

what

[queen vapor]

Hi. How is the solution going?

[graceful mulch]

@queen vapor has leveled up! (2 ➜ 3)

[clever lintel]

same as always

[queen vapor]

Got you

Gl with further investigation

[minor fiber]

did someone ended up trying OpenSSL ?

[graceful mulch]

@minor fiber has leveled up! (9 ➜ 10)

[clever lintel]

is it documented?

[minor fiber]

i think it was just talked about recently like within the hour no ?

[shell silo]

too many possibilities

[desert anchor]

clue

[sacred ruin]

W

what a clue

[desert anchor]

~c_>um

[shell silo]

?

it is just a possiblity

[clever lintel]

poor sweet summer child

[shell silo]

you can see how the answer is generated

[desert anchor]

Okay, got it... bad joke

[fleet condor]

https://tenor.com/view/venom-tom-hardy-screaming-gif-11035878

embed fail 💀

[woven dove]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-embed-fail-embed-fail-embed-discord-embed-gif-embed-gif-21924703

+1

[minor fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-embed-fail-embed-fail-embed-discord-embed-gif-embed-gif-21924703

i got u

[desert anchor]

feels like at this moment ciphey "breaks" and goes into an endless cycle...

[minor fiber]

[shell silo]

In some cases, this may not work, such as when interference information is artificially added

[upper orbit]

Also, I have a question. Must file be okay if the file signature is correct? Or files need something more than just correct file signature to be non-corrupted?

[snow crystal]

file signature is only the very first part of the file intended for programs to detect the type of the file. i.e. it shows you it's a .png but it says nothing about the content or correctness of the file

[minor fiber]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giJI-TDbO5k

[desert anchor]

I don't know what's going on under the hood, but the fact is that it just starts to idle

[shell silo]

!!!

[random drift]

AYTOO

[shell silo]

new clue

[desert anchor]

[shell silo]

cool

[random drift]

oh shit we alive again

[shell silo]

I'm alive!

[random drift]

another banger

[muted goblet]

Data's high entropy and a multiple of 16 again so we can probably rule out stream ciphers

[queen vapor]

Wooow, that's curious

[warm drum]

oh god

another one

[queen vapor]

Wow, it reminds me videos of Inabakumori

[calm zealot]

I see the discussion document is up, is anyone starting the lyrics transcription document?

wc

[queen vapor]

It's very similar

Especially Lagtrain

[warm finch]

idk if im schizoing but from the numbers 2 vid i feel like they might be phone numbers?

[random drift]

just the visuals

[astral panther]

Numbers II

Come with me
Come with me
Tell me now,
I, should've stayed
Let it all burn, yeah
Start from X
End with Y
Follow me, yeah
1 + 1
1 + 2
Fill the void, yeah
201
1321
5831 (Unsure about 8 here)
723
743
4913
879
975
2145
716
906 (unsure about 9)
4156
Come with me
Come with me
Tell me now
I, should’ve stayed
Let it all burn, yeah
Syllables, syllables
Make it work, yeah
Start from X
End with Y
Follow me, yeah

[zealous saddle]

Wait but what was the solved code of Numbers I

[elfin swallow]

Notin 😦

[random drift]

not enough info to solve

[minor fiber]

the second video is probably help for the first one

[desert anchor]

no code... only the voices in our heads

https://tenor.com/view/schizo-cat-the-voices-gif-25415230

[queen vapor]

At least it is named "Numbers II"

[minor fiber]

yes

[desert anchor]

yes... that is why we received two more similar ciphers

[zealous saddle]

Did vedal realized we were too dumb to solve the first video so he dropped another one?

[minor fiber]

maybe

[split echo]

could also be numbers 1 was impossible to solve without 2

[zealous saddle]

Numbers II sounds halloweenish

[queen vapor]

Maybe he just laughs at us ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[astral panther]

he somehow made a creepier song to listen to at .25 speed

[split echo]

smug vedal needs correction

[zealous saddle]

Turtle soup

[desert anchor]

Then it would be illogical... to do something that cannot be solved...

[blazing wagon]

guys... if...

1 + 1
1 + 2

means

numbers + numbers
numbers + numbers 2

I'm done

[thorny robin]

HUH, HE'S HERE NOW TOO

[gloomy cedar]

Study was about someone who couldn't solve their engineering tests. So if Numbers I was unsolvable it put us in the same mental state.

[desert anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/4k-gif-24586759

[warm finch]

if we have to do like discrete algebra im dead

[split echo]

ok he's definitely laughing now

[hasty vale]

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

[radiant walrus]

he is still not in static-sama discussion

[zealous saddle]

If vedal here then dm Nuro a clue

[clear fjord]

https://soundcloud.com/572943 the link i found in Number ll

[prisma reef]

Wait

There is second numbers?

[thorny robin]

Yes

[gloomy cedar]

just dropped

[minor fiber]

there is a doc already

everyone can get up to speed

[random drift]

soundcloud and confirmation on 572943

not like it wasn't that obvious

[clear fjord]

so fast lol

[prisma reef]

Start from X. End with Y. Remove XY + odd one out

[tiny garden]

where did that number even come from

[prisma reef]

Wha

[queen vapor]

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

[queen vapor]

SoundCloud

[snow crystal]

what number?

[tiny garden]

the 572943

[random drift]

last scene with gamma up

top left

[keen tartan]

the lyrics of the first number video

remember people were arguing about whether it was 5 or a 4>

[tiny garden]

oh right

[zealous saddle]

What If it says X and Y, what if its like an XY graph?

[sacred ruin]

Come with me
Tell me now i (break)
Should i stay
Let it all burn yeah

Start from X
End with Y
Follow me (yeah)
1+1
1+2
Fill the void (yeah)

201 1321 <- (Can be together or separate)
5831
723 743 4913

879 875 2145
716 906 4156

Come with me
Come with me
Tell me now i (break)
Should i stay
Let it all burn (yeah)
Syllables
Syllables
Make it work (yeah)
Start from X
End with Y
Follow me (yeah)```

the correct lyrics

[tiny garden]

i guess that fits with integration and differentiation

[sacred ruin]

spent 5 minutes on the numbers

start with x end with y

whats x and whats y

[keen tartan]

and i thought i am free of calculus

[muted goblet]

The whole

start from x, and with y
1+1
1+2```
Looked like another nod to the fibonacci sequence

[sacred ruin]

start from x
end with y

[warm finch]

this is all a plan to do homework lmao

[minor fiber]

start from X ends with Y ?

[zealous saddle]

Was it really that obvious to solve Numbers?

[muted goblet]

The fill the void made me think of either a null IV/key, or null padding on a key

[sacred ruin]

its end

not and

and dont go "why"

[prisma reef]

/26 then

lol

[sacred ruin]

its on the soundcloud

[random drift]

We haven't solved anything, it's just those numbers link to a soundcloud

with more codes

[sacred ruin]

723 743 4913
879 875 2145
716 906 4156 this looks odly suspicious

what can be done with these numbers

[random drift]

the JS in Study required some numbers so these might be it

[minor fiber]

don't ring any bell among the thousands of calcul from number I

[zealous saddle]

Can we try the Nuro's Keypad Theory Now?

[sacred ruin]

phone numbers

its phone numbers

[prisma reef]

So true

[minor fiber]

they need to be in the correct format tho

[keen tartan]

no country code start these numbers

[random drift]

Nuro's Keypad Theory

[inland silo]

Don't call random numbers lol

[keen tartan]

wtf this shitty ass website lied to me

[split echo]

"Start from X. End with Y. Remove XY + odd one out" from the soundcloud

[sacred ruin]

out of those 3, thats the only calid one

[random drift]

maybe coordinates

[sacred ruin]

btw

im going to send this

DATA WARNING: Use of this data is solely at your own risk. We make no guarantees, expressed or implied, as to the accuracy of this data or service. This site is not a credit reporting agency as defined by the Fair Credit Reporting Act (FCRA) and our search results are not consumer reports as defined by the FCRA. Information appearing on this site may not be used for any FCRA regulated purpose including determining a consumer's eligibility for credit, insurance, employment or housing. These results shall not be relied upon for any (Telephone Consumer Protection Act) TCPA regulated purpose including making auto-dialed calls or sending commercial text messages.

no blames on me

<3

[zealous saddle]

Do

[prisma reef]

Why wouldnt nuro answer me

[random drift]

cuz ur annoying kekw

[zealous saddle]

The Numbers II vid coulbd be 2 things, Phone Numbers or a XY graph

[inland silo]

Would rather ask Vedal whether it's phone numbers or not

Random people do not appriciate when they are called by ARGs

people did it during the Sombra ARG and people weren't happy

poor pizza place

[zealous saddle]

Also, if its an XY graph that means its coordinates

[shell silo]

now I'm curious about who is"her"

As the girl on the image is already died

[deft sonnet]

Have u guys seen what’s in the top left corner at the end of the vid?

[shell silo]

yes

[inland silo]

I wonder if this is all a teaser for a new AI on the horizon

[shell silo]

I mean :what the relationship between "her" and neuro?

[keen tartan]

past and present

[zealous saddle]

Start from X. End with Y. Remove XY + odd one out

[shell silo]

really?

[storm kraken]

I talked about xyz cordinates in the past

[keen tartan]

guessing from the all the details we gather

[shell silo]

maybe

[storm kraken]

in the meme video it had a section about someone detected coordinates that lead to a military base?

[keen tartan]

really depends if you got the right number or not

I got numbers that lead me all the way from the Ivroy Cost to Libya

[cedar night]

So how many cyphers do we have now? 3? Numbers 1, Numbers 2, and Soundcloud?

[snow crystal]

• the one in the JS code

[robust scaffold]

omg just saw number II

[minor fiber]

tried listening to both Numbers at the same time not really doing anything helpful lol

[cedar night]

Do you think their all incrypted in ther same way? Is there a way to cross reference all of them to check for similarities?

[shell silo]

Try URL?

[prisma reef]

VGhhdCBpcyBub3QgY2x1ZSwgeW91IGlkaW90Li4gaGVhcnQ=

[astral panther]

those are the only outcomes that are words

Y N could be like Yes/No, i guess idk

don't think its the correct solution, but tried it

[storm kraken]

what is number 2?

[graceful mulch]

@storm kraken has leveled up! (46 ➜ 47)

[robust scaffold]

https://youtu.be/giJI-TDbO5k

[storm kraken]

wtf

new video

[robust scaffold]

yeah

[cedar night]

Yeah new video

[storm kraken]

so new clue

finally

[cedar night]

and there is a link to a soundcloud at the end

[minor fiber]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oBEX9j0Z32UQtVnnojsNFDCIz21R7LnyuoSp_2Uila0/edit#heading=h.4wqtl5rd10le

[hidden crater]

[cedar night]

https://soundcloud.com/572943

[tawny brook]

:o

[storm kraken]

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

[minor fiber]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oBEX9j0Z32UQtVnnojsNFDCIz21R7LnyuoSp_2Uila0/edit#heading=h.4wqtl5rd10le

[storm kraken]

when this account was created?

[thorny robin]

bruh, why it's always like this for me

[minor fiber]

right click > inspect

[desert anchor]

f12

[minor fiber]

if you press f12 you still got to search for where it is

[thorny robin]

More brighter

[storm kraken]

so the other clues also encrypted...

[hidden crater]

also here is time between first and this upload for no reason

[minor fiber]

nice

[desert anchor]

and you will be able to select an element

[minor fiber]

yes but it's still faster to just right click but anyway let's stay on topic

[lyric dome]

damn guys you are working hard here

[cedar night]

I mean we are but not with much success

[keen tartan]

[storm kraken]

the question will it be easier now or even harder lol

[hasty vale]

i doubt the day difference between them matters because both numbers were uploaded manually

[cedar night]

I mean I hope easier but that means for cyphers lol

[keen tartan]

I know
Hence the was included

[storm kraken]

We didn't even managed to decode the code in numbers

and now we have more 2 codes

so 3 codes in total

[minor fiber]

yes

[storm kraken]

at least we have new instructions

[ashen oracle]

well the very first thing I wanted to do was xor the description together, but that also turned out to be gibberish, plus they are different length.

[storm kraken]

yea they all giberish

also this: "Start from X. End with Y. Remove XY + odd one out"

[ashen oracle]

maybe there is more numbers videos, and you need to xor all the descriptions together to get the final message, but that is likely just the copium talking.

[minor fiber]

yes this sound so much like XOR

[stray crater]

for the record, the soundcloud account was created in May 29th 2023

[snow crystal]

how do you know?

[minor fiber]

soundcloud API i imagine

[stray crater]

on firefox, view source code, Ctrl+F "created"

[storm kraken]

oh so it's part of the ARG almost for sure

[sacred ruin]

guys

move to #1112082183235047506

after we get everything to solve we come back here

hence why "cracking" in the title

post your clues there

[thorny robin]

Is there any way to check when a soundcloud account was created, just ?

[sacred ruin]

29th may

[storm kraken]

Did somebody already wrote the lyrics of numbers 2?

[stray crater]

view-source:https://soundcloud.com/572943

[sacred ruin]

yes

pins in #1112082183235047506

[storm kraken]

I dont see it in pins

Need topin it here also

[storm kraken]

can sombody copy paste to here with a pin

[sacred ruin]

Come with me
Tell me now i (break)
Should i stay
Let it all burn yeah

Start from X
End with Y
Follow me (yeah)
1+1
1+2
Fill the void (yeah)

201 1321 <- (Can be together or separate)
5831
723 743 4913

879 875 2145
716 906 4156

Come with me
Come with me
Tell me now i (break)
Should i stay
Let it all burn (yeah)
Syllables
Syllables
Make it work (yeah)
Start from X
End with Y
Follow me (yeah)```

[minor fiber]

"first_name":"Start from X. End with Y.","full_name":"Start from X. End with Y. Remove XY + odd one out"

👀

[stray crater]

The interesting thing is how it was created only after the ARG started, so if we just assumed it was a soundcloud ID on the first 2 days, we would've found nothing

[storm kraken]

at least we know for sure that "572943" is the number in numbers 1

[tiny garden]

probably means it has hints for the stuff we haven't done yet

[storm kraken]

maybe "572943" was a clue all along?

[sacred ruin]

no

[hidden crater]

i bet he actually did it to clarify kekw

[sacred ruin]

if it was we could have solved it and lead us nowhere

its not a clue

rather a reoccuring number

and probably will be

[blazing wagon]

perhaps some stuff are not meant to be solved just yet

[thorn leaf]

This cipher in description looks so similar to Enigma cipher, I think neurosama's numbers is a key of cipher

[storm kraken]

why on sound cloud?

[fierce pecan]

for future ?

[ashen oracle]

i means the description is almost certainly base64 encoding of something, wdym Enigma cipher?I don't see the relation.

[storm kraken]

maybe we need to find a music file on sound cloud that will give us a clue or something

is it possible to upload on souncloud like on youtube as "private" and it'll be seen only by people that have the link for it?

[ashen oracle]

also here is the spectrogram https://imgur.com/lhuBZr3

no patterns

unless you count music as a pattern

[snow crystal]

yes, you can have unlisted tracks

[storm kraken]

Youtube also compresss it so the clues in audio file would be destroyed for the most part?

[storm kraken]

So maybe this account have one?

[warm finch]

you cant access unlisted/private tracks unless you have the private link

[storm kraken]

yes

but if it does indeed have one, it's a clue.

to find a link to that audio file

[thorn leaf]

Then why do we need three-digit keys that are dictated to us in the video

[storm kraken]

in the codes or in one of the codes

[inland kayak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giJI-TDbO5k

WHY DID NOBODY PING ME

[storm kraken]

lol

[storm kraken]

we also have the lyrics

[uncut hare]

[minor fiber]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oBEX9j0Z32UQtVnnojsNFDCIz21R7LnyuoSp_2Uila0/edit#heading=h.4wqtl5rd10le

come with us come with us

[thorn leaf]

Thank you so much

[graceful mulch]

@thorn leaf has leveled up! (0 ➜ 1)

[inland kayak]

alright im up im up

shit

[thorn leaf]

this text-cipher is divided into several parts

[inland kayak]

i contaced my friends

*contacted

[thorn leaf]

each part is probably a different enigma cipher and each part has its own encoding (if I not mistaken)

[ashen oracle]

I still dont see why this means there is a connection to the Engima machine. Yes, there are numbers in the lyrics, and yes the description is complete gibberish when decoded. Where does the engima factor in?

[tiny garden]

make sure you read the stuff in the doc

[sacred ruin]

move to #1112082183235047506 for now

please

[inland kayak]

why?

this is 'numbers 2'

[sacred ruin]

its called "cracking"

[thorn leaf]

I just trying to understand which cipher and which way we should use to decipher it

[sacred ruin]

plus we're all sharing ideas in #1112082183235047506

i said "for now" because theres literally no one here

[sacred ruin]

and you're saying potentially good information

i know

[keen tartan]

doesn't matter now, just move to the channel with more traffic
There are less traffic in #1112082183235047506 in general now since I managed to scare a few people to be quiet

[opal horizon]

so when the video was first posted the soundcloud account just gave a 404, no account found so it was only made after the video was posted

[minor fiber]

sound cloud was made may 29th

[pale fossil]

so you meant it was private before ?

[stray crater]

it didn't exist before

[pale fossil]

fuck i mixed months

[minor fiber]

so it's safe to assume it was made after seeing us go shizo

[thorny robin]

#1112082183235047506 message

[pale fossil]

i thought it was month 4 not 5 '-'

so "he" created the video in what

somewhat in a week?

[minor fiber]

i mean maybe

i would think the lyrics are hand made, the art could be AI generated

wait he doesn't even need to since he has the model

so he probably put the model on and danced

[opal horizon]

looking at my browser history to double check, I did get the something went wrong title for unknown soundcloud user ID (
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/965753181348986940/1114304464757739520/image.png (21:34 was the time stamp of that page load)

[pale fossil]

looks like the neuro dont sing this one

the mouth dont move accordingly

the same this happens with the first one ? (yes the same)

[shrewd trench]

The model is a default animation

With eyes scribbled out

[minor fiber]

i think ? someoned counted and in the first video the mouth opens about 17 times iirc

if it wasn't a troll

[minor charm]

Numbers 2 dropped 1 hour ago

I'm just saying that because the only thing I saw in the docs of it was in the doc Number Thread Library

[snow crystal]

there's a numbers 2 doc already

[graceful mulch]

You have unlocked new role

[pale fossil]

You have unlocked new role

[minor charm]

Gonna see it then

[clever lintel]

You have unlocked new role

[cobalt comet]

Conductor we have a problem

[storm kraken]

"created_at":"2023-05-29T01:56:03Z"

in the HTML

[minor fiber]

"last_modified":"2023-06-02T15:01:15Z","last_name":"Remove XY + odd one out"

[spring widget]

YO

I JUST HEARD THERES A SEQUEL

BRING ME UP TO SPEED

[hasty vale]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oBEX9j0Z32UQtVnnojsNFDCIz21R7LnyuoSp_2Uila0/edit#heading=h.4wqtl5rd10le

[minor fiber]

yea but everybody want to do it in the general thread

[spring widget]

too bad im doing it here

[pale fossil]

HOLY

[hasty vale]

we got a new video, new soundcloud account and possibly a twitter account

i am thinking of running hex translations on new base64 strings

[storm kraken]

Yea, it probably was private.

[minor fiber]

make sense

[upper orbit]

You still want to bruteforce? Bruteforcing two, no, three strings?

[pale fossil]

again

'-'

[minor fiber]

Vedal is also teasing us and only gave a few lines of the lyrics for "Numbers I "

[hasty vale]

i just need to optimize the script more, i already removed the most resource occuping part

[pale fossil]

3 lines of official lyrics

[minor charm]

Damn, that was a lot of work for one hour.
Sincerely, I only have two thoughts by now

Start from X
End with Y
Follow me, yeah

Maybe those are coordinates, or maybe X and Y are two number from each we have to follow a sequence, filling the void so to say.

1+1
1+2
Fill the void, yeah

Both are results from very, very shallow thinking. But I can only think about this more tomorrow

[pale fossil]

the fill the void someone in the general thread said it was like the fibbo sequence

[keen tartan]

you know what
I do think he is hinting at the fact that we might have to take days into consideration

[opal horizon]

"first_name":"Start from X. End with Y."
"full_name":"Start from X. End with Y. Remove XY + odd one out"
"groups_count":0
"id":1258077262
"kind":"user"
"last_modified":"2023-06-02T15:01:15Z"
"last_name":"Remove XY + odd one out"

from the source html (the "ID" is the actual thing soundcloud is using for looking up accounts)
"uri":"https://api.soundcloud.com/users/1258077262" later on which is using the ID for the api (though this is non arg stuff)

[pale fossil]

time gated arg

[queen vapor]

Unbelievably

[storm kraken]

Maybe we need to get binary from first string and second, then use XOR?

[minor fiber]

thats what i did tho i counted most of the days

[ashen oracle]

already tried that nothing

[minor fiber]

i put like 2 dates on the doc

[ashen oracle]

.

[keen tartan]

yes we did
but perhaps we used it wrong?

[ashen oracle]

maybe we should collect all the base64 strings into one doc?

[blazing wagon]

calling it: the two first lines of the numbers I vid will refer to the moment the ARG will be solved

[pale fossil]

its handy for sure

[minor fiber]

the best date so far i found was vedal youtube video about OSU AI which was 1432 days so you start with numbers 2 and do the all thingy

[storm kraken]

we have 3 string, if we get something from 2 of them we maybe can use it to solve the third and get the final puzzle?

[hasty vale]

all base64 strings have paddings in them, meaning they can't be parts of a singular one

[pale fossil]

we have right now what? 4 base64 strings

[storm kraken]

3

and the small one from study

DQ5z14ighWwiag7y+cWFQg==

[pale fossil]

so 4 '-'

[ashen oracle]

if theoretically I if split a file up, and the chunks weren't the correct multiples, won't all of them have padding?

[minor fiber]

if they are all Base64 yes

[storm kraken]

it should be number of a phone

in study

the full code is study is something like:

var controller = lib.MessagesController;

let body = new lib.SendMessagesRequest();

body.messages = [];

body.messages[0] = new lib.Message();

body.messages[0].content = 'save me...';
body.messages[0].destinationNumber = 'DQ5z14ighWwiag7y+cWFQg==';

controller.sendMessages(body, function(error, response, context) {
if (error) {
console.log(error);
} else {
console.log(response);
}
});

[ashen oracle]

I think this one is special, simply because it is exactly 128 bits.

[hasty vale]

if you knowingly split them up, there would be no reason to decode them back so no reason for paddings

[shrewd trench]

592943 days

[storm kraken]

destinationNumber should be a phone number

[clever lintel]

imagine staying on topic. That'd be crazy

[ashen oracle]

I'm not understanding. here is an example to clairfy my point. if a file is two bytes and contains "ab", then if I split them in two parts and encode them it becomes "YQ==" and "Yg==". both padded.

[hasty vale]

but why would you split them first and encode second, that makes no sense

[storm kraken]

to make ur life full of suffering?

[ashen oracle]

I don't see any reason for the designer of this ARG to choose one approach over another.

[kindred parrot]

wait holy fu

when

[ashen oracle]

yeah we are talking about it

and it says two hours ago

[kindred parrot]

oh

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

[minor fiber]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oBEX9j0Z32UQtVnnojsNFDCIz21R7LnyuoSp_2Uila0/edit#heading=h.4wqtl5rd10le

[pale fossil]

all the most obvious things already have been recorded on the docs

[kindred parrot]

yay the good news is google docs works again for me

[storm kraken]

yep

[dusky atlas]

ya, thats me

bruh💀

[ashen oracle]

I think the binary neuro theory isn't going anywhere. I suspect we are going to have wait for numbers 3.

[minor fiber]

another banger incoming

[gloomy cedar]

"Fibonacci Words" look like binary. so it's possible

from wiki:
A Fibonacci word is a specific sequence of binary digits (or symbols from any two-letter alphabet). The Fibonacci word is formed by repeated concatenation in the same way that the Fibonacci numbers are formed by repeated addition.

[kindred parrot]

bruh

[spring widget]

ok wait

what if it means

(x, y) coordinates

[ashen oracle]

already thought of, and nothing really came about it

[desert anchor]

maybe... but how will it help us?

[spring widget]

ah gotcha sorry for digging up old ideas then

just with how much she says "follow me" and "come with me"

it seemed like a strong hint

[pale fossil]

well it could be true

is just on how to use it

[ashen oracle]

np, someone also suggested the x and y as in f(x)=y and that is even more unlikely.

[minor fiber]

there was at one point the minecraft coordinates theory iirc

[kindred parrot]

cool

[pine atlas]

So did we do anything to trigger "number II" or did that happen on its own?

[storm kraken]

Probably because we were stuck

[snow crystal]

if there was a trigger none of us knows

[minor fiber]

yea if it was a trigger probably a solo GOAT solved everything

[pine atlas]

"No chat, I will not be giving you any clues in the past or in the future"

Uhu

[minor fiber]

he didn't tho

@_neurosama did

[burnt coral]

he just confused us more

[limpid folio]

maybe solving "572943" triggered it because the soundcloud has the same link

[burnt coral]

[burnt coral]

did we solve it?

[storm kraken]

nope

people found out about it only after

and before it was private

[pale fossil]

where it was even mentioned this number ?

[kindred parrot]

YT's AI hears "foreign" again,...

[pale fossil]

or im missing something

[minor fiber]

soundclound seems to be here only to give us some lyrics of the first video

[kindred parrot]

first one

[limpid folio]

the original numbers docs, at the matching letters part

[pale fossil]

oh i see

[pine atlas]

All i'm thinking is that I hope it was released because we triggered something, because if it's just time based, then we might not be able to solve it in case there are more videos to come that we need to figure it all out

[minor fiber]

we trigger because of our schizo levels im sure

[pale fossil]

well i think creating a huge args do take time

so its kinda creating when we wreak our brains out

[hidden crater]

ReallyGunPull Tutel why he do this

[pale fossil]

idk maybe the base64 would decode to the soundcloud url or something?

just thinking out loud

[snow crystal]

it might be part of the decrypted message but the decoded base64 is 1040 bytes. quite long to contain only the soundcloud url

[clever lintel]

it could contain a bunch of flavor text too.

[snow crystal]

also the data suggest that the soundcloud was created on the 29th. that's after the videos were uploaded.

[spring widget]

[clever lintel]

Yo, guys, can you perhaps be a little nice in the docs? Calling eachother weebs and dumb is just not gonna run

[minor fiber]

wut

[kindred parrot]

:/

[spring widget]

this

so i followed her

she kinda just went in a big circle

[storm kraken]

If it's a number it should be a mobile number

[hasty vale]

didn't someone already get to libya following coordinates

[hazy holly]

Remove XY as well, i.e. the first and last phone number?

[storm kraken]

so the code can't be a local code only a country code

[spring widget]

lmao wait the first one cant even be a phone number

it has too many digits

[cobalt comet]

could be an extension

[pale fossil]

yeah

here is (xx) 9xxxx xxx

so it can be

but idk if there is anything with (20) 11321 5831

[cobalt comet]

it could also be 201-132-1583 EXT:1

[turbid solar]

1, 3, 4? where's 2?

[snow crystal]

look at his previous image. he removed it as the odd one out since it doesn't exist

[spring widget]

pretty sure im just schizo

dont take it too seriously

[dim olive]

aren't we all

[pale fossil]

well worse part it makes sense

[night galleon]

no

not a phone numbers

I did analyzed every of them and one of them

is not even a country phone number

[spring widget]

there is actually some good news

[storm kraken]

ye?

[pale fossil]

love good news

[copper harness]

Shiro please don't lie to us

[spring widget]

one moment

confirming this

[thorny robin]

NOWAY good news?

[pale fossil]

[spring widget]

not THAT good but defintiely important

[clever lintel]

Confirming your theories before posting, what is this madness

[thorny robin]

[spring widget]

ok yeah

so the base64 descriptions in numbers 1, numbers 2, and the soundcloud

the binary data is a multiple of 16 in each of them

so if it IS encrypted by a block cipher, it is almost guaranteed to be 128 bit

which isnt that great of news

but its one less question

[storm kraken]

someone told the small one also 128 ?

[pale fossil]

brute force time

[formal birch]

just woke up and I saw number 2

[graceful mulch]

You have unlocked new role

[spring widget]

the small one from the code snippet was indeed 16 bytes as well

[formal birch]

is this released because we've found new clues or it's just posted in schedule

[spring widget]

before we didnt have enough data

[pale fossil]

we dont know for sure

[thorny robin]

I have a feeling this may not be last video and far from last video

[hasty vale]

it was posted manually for sure

[spring widget]

so it was just a postulation

important question

its super unlikely but

out of all the binaries we have so far, are there any 16 byte strings which appear in multiple of them

where is this?

[formal birch]

nvm

[spring widget]

@clever lintel hey was it u who added the ECC comment

[clever lintel]

ECC?

[spring widget]

elliptic curve cryptography

[ashen oracle]

error correction code?

[rose sparrow]

No that was me

[spring widget]

gotcha

how familiar are you with it

[clever lintel]

Nawh, i'm not smart enough for that

[ashen oracle]

that is like grad school math.

[spring widget]

ecc math is braindead

the theory is grad school but the actual algorithms are very easy

just takes some staring at them

anyway an X, Y point would be a public key

[rose sparrow]

Not very familiar, just wanted to note down that there are encryption algorithms that actually use cartesian coordinates

[spring widget]

but in theory if we can find the curve we only need one of the two

you can easily deduce the second from the curve equation

with a quadratic residue of the rhs

might be what she means by "start with x, end with y"?

[storm kraken]

from gpt

too long

lmao

Elliptic Curve Cryptography (ECC) is a branch of public-key cryptography that relies on the mathematics of elliptic curves over finite fields. It provides a way to securely perform key exchange, digital signatures, and encryption.

In traditional public-key cryptography, such as RSA, large prime numbers are used for key generation and encryption. However, ECC offers similar security with much smaller key sizes, making it more efficient and faster than traditional methods.

The foundation of ECC lies in the mathematics of elliptic curves, which are curves defined by an equation of the form y^2 = x^3 + ax + b, where a and b are constants. These curves have interesting mathematical properties that make them suitable for cryptography.

ECC involves defining a specific elliptic curve, selecting a base point on the curve, and performing mathematical operations, such as point addition and scalar multiplication, to generate the keys and perform cryptographic operations. The security of ECC is based on the difficulty of solving certain mathematical problems associated with elliptic curves, such as the elliptic curve discrete logarithm problem (ECDLP).

The advantages of ECC include:

Strong security: ECC provides a high level of security with relatively small key sizes, making it efficient for constrained devices like smartphones and Internet of Things (IoT) devices.

Efficiency: ECC operations require fewer computational resources compared to other public-key algorithms, making it faster and more efficient.

Lower bandwidth and storage requirements: The smaller key sizes of ECC result in reduced bandwidth and storage requirements, which is beneficial for network communication and storage constraints.

Future-proof: ECC is considered to be more resistant to quantum computing attacks compared to traditional public-key algorithms like RSA and DSA.

Due to its advantages, ECC is widely used in various applications, including secure communications, digital signatures, and secure key exchange protocols. It has been adopted in standards such as Transport Layer Security (TLS), Secure Shell (SSH), and many other cryptographic protocols.

[clever lintel]

You shouldn't trust what chatGPT says

[spring widget]

chatgpt isnt gonna help u with this one dude

i can help with ECC questions

[formal birch]

Elliptic Curve

[spring widget]

tbh a curve shouldnt be hard to find, vedal is prob just using 25519 or something

[clever lintel]

987

[spring widget]

also i lied

(x, y) point would be a public key not a private one

private keys are integers

im throwing already

[hasty vale]

oh yeah i got it from 2 minutes to 2 seconds. going to parse through all the base64 strings and thme combined in no time

[clever lintel]

You're doing so well tho!

[spring widget]

hold on

hold on hold on

from https://docs.google.com/document/d/1j_iWo78lULgzOJ8PF5OlX_SPodIk5DOneoUIWOk_oP0/edit :

[night galleon]

don't forget to read the

[spring widget]

AN__XIETY__ (start from X, end with Y)
X__IET__Y (remove XY)
__IE__T (remove odd one out, T is the only consonant)
IE?

[night galleon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public-key_cryptography

[night galleon]

Internet Explorer?

[dim olive]

https://tenor.com/view/internet-explorer-gif-24879124

[night galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/internet-true-rekt-gif-4877078

[night galleon]

probably not

but i bet it related to math

[storm kraken]

Internet Explorer Chan idk...

[night galleon]

[minor fiber]

"follow me" could refer to following the account

[half lily]

I want to help in this one, I tried reading back but I only got confused, any summary

[clever lintel]

About soundcloud

[queen vapor]

You are not alone with it -_-

[dim olive]

ok guys gl, I am going off, to dream about numbers and stuff

[spring widget]

night night

[queen vapor]

gn

My time is already 2AM...

[elfin swallow]

GMT+3 MOMENT

[formal birch]

i stay awake from 1 am to 7 am here

[queen vapor]

Same thing

[storm kraken]

I didn't slept well from the day this arg dropped...

[queen vapor]

My sleep schedule was messed up when I went in this chat

[night galleon]

gn shiro

[spring widget]

wha

im not going to bed

[minor fiber]

[formal birch]

[thorny robin]

Numbers, more Numbers, x2 more Numbers

[snow crystal]

I checked it. either there are no 16 byte sequences that appear in multiple of the decoded base64 codes or it's a skill issue on my part

[queen vapor]

The numbers Mason, what do they mean!

[spring widget]

yeah it was unlikely

[clever lintel]

Go to bed and dream of a solution, Shiro!

[spring widget]

if it was the case it would have made it extremely likely that each was encrypted under AES-128-ECB using the same key

which would have been a dream case

but alas vedal isnt that bad at crypt it seems

[clever lintel]

Or he hired someone

[storm kraken]

inb4 next is study 2

[ashen oracle]

we kinda have to assume he using some sort of relatively common crypto, and that he hid the keys someone not too obscure, otherwise we don't have a chance.

[formal birch]

if it's ECB then we've wasted tons of time finding non-exist IVs lol

[ashen oracle]

and I seriously doubt he would design an ARG that requires brute forcing/any significant computing power.

[formal birch]

it's proabaly AES-CFB, it's definitely symmetric encryption tho

otherwise it would be impossible to solve (or require lots of time to solve)

[spring widget]

ECB isnt guaranteed

[rose sparrow]

"Fill the void, yeah" definitely sounds like neuro is telling us to complete a pattern in the number sequence

[spring widget]

with IV modes its common to append the IV to the ciphertext

since the IV is fixed length (same size as key) its always retrievable

and in fact i was quite suspicious of this in the numbers 1 description, which was 16x65 bytes

[elfin swallow]

do we agree that there are column permutations?

[spring widget]

elaborate please

[formal birch]

you store IV after encryption finishes?

[elfin swallow]

1 sec

[spring widget]

lots of ideas flying around, give some background

[clever lintel]

People keep saying that, "it's definitely symmetric encryption" and I want to believe it, but nobody's written in detail why (at least not in the docs or while I was viewing chat)

[spring widget]

yes, IV is sent with ciphertext

the IV does not need to be private, just unpredictable

[formal birch]

ahh yes

[spring widget]

AES is quite likely, and most places AES shows up are symmetric encryption

[formal birch]

the length of the strings and algorithm used

[spring widget]

theres a few reasons that AES is attractive here, i documented some under "analysis" in the numbers 1 doc

[elfin swallow]

this (i am not scitzo i am not scitzo i am not scitzo i am not scitzo)

[spring widget]

theres not enough info in those lyrics for this i dont think

[pale fossil]

said like a true schizo

[spring widget]

plus i find it unlikely vedal is rolling his own crypt

[formal birch]

I mean, theoretically you can, but highly doubtful

[ashen oracle]

seems too elobrate, are we expected to modify AES?

[dusky atlas]

holy shit 2:31, but soo intresting bruh

[clever lintel]

So basically it's a hunch?

[storm kraken]

also it could be that the "follow me" means the sound cloud or the _neurosama twitter.

[clever lintel]

Azaka said the same

[pale fossil]

well we could try it

cost nothing

[formal birch]

the real problem is i spent 4 hours reading my old college book yesterday and still forgets how byte sub works

[formal birch]

yea, in most of the case solving arg, you rely on hunch

[elfin swallow]

same bro
crypto course was like 5 years ago

[spring widget]

on the flip side, has anyone checked their follower lists since the new video came out

[clever lintel]

Of course, but I want to document people's reasoning so we can agree on what is a personal hunch and what is fact (:

[storm kraken]

Yes

It was like 5 followers 1 hour after the video

and satyed like 5 for 2-3 hours

now its 15

[spring widget]

sorry for topic change but an addendum to my argument with this clue:

A supernatural force that stops us from being human

encryption transforms something human-readable to something only a computer can understand

[clever lintel]

One thing to be aware of is that we still don't have any strong proof that the twitter is related, so if we get contact we should be weary of their info. In contrast we have a strong tie to soundcloud, and you can follow people there too

[spring widget]

schizo or plausible?

[storm kraken]

Yes, but better to save it in bookmark or something

Is it possible on twitter to set "can be seen only by followers?"

[pale fossil]

plausible

[clever lintel]

oh, i don't twitter. We should follow them then. Both

[formal birch]

I think that finding algorithm by any means or just bruteforce them aren't very effeicent, try to work on the lyrics again?

[ashen oracle]

my two cents, there simply isn't enough to go on. I think we need to wait for more videos to drop.

[clever lintel]

I think it's fine that people wanna try their own approach

[formal birch]

I spent all of my time on books and lyrics actually

only slept for 5 hrs per day

[clever lintel]

obsessed ||me too||

[thorny robin]

Anything is possible, the question is how schizo you have to be to come up with it

[queen vapor]

I'm gonna sleep. Goodnight everyone and gl with thinking about numbers

[thorny robin]

Gn

[pale fossil]

gn

[hasty vale]

sorry to bother you about something so trivial, but what entropy value am i looking for. you say less than noise but how much is noise

it really likes this .com file but 4.5 seems too high

[ashen oracle]

4.5 indicate some structure, pretty close to human language in term of complexity.