Neuro ARG - Cracking the "Numbers" Video

[shell silo]

[random drift]

cluuuu

[shell silo]

But I have difficulty in solving the number thesis,lol

[storm kraken]

I told gpt-4 to follow the steps, he followed it literally as much as he can and gave me 1710662153, lol... But he did something I didn't saw anyone talking about. When it says add another 9 and so on, he just added 9 to the number itself (number + 9).

[shell silo]

what number?

original one?

[storm kraken]

I just say that all add 9, 6 etc at the end of the result, but gpt literally just did a plus to the result.

add = +, in his mind

Or code

[shell silo]

but if add a"9"

[graceful mulch]

You have unlocked new role

[shell silo]

We will get a number with 8 digits

like 25729943

[storm kraken]

I just says it's a possibility, didn't saw anyone mentioned it.

[shell silo]

Someone mentioned it in the comments below the video

[storm kraken]

How many numbers need to be in the result or 0 ideas?

[shell silo]

idk

but I guess it won't be too long

[minor fiber]

a lot of people tried that too

add could mean simple addition or concat the number
multiply could mean simple multiplication or concat X times the whole set of numbers

[shell silo]

yes

[minor fiber]

check
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1haiT--yrMQAhPNJlqa5JU5FbEwrkOOWWBg8FHP1vXB0/edit

for more alternatives

[clever lintel]

imagine checking the docs

[pulsar maple]

couldn't be me

[minor fiber]

i mean yeah there is a ton of thing in it but people often pass by it thats normal

[pulsar maple]

information overload

[clever lintel]

Ye, that's fair. At this point i'm tempted to give a chatbot access to our docs as a vector database so people can ask it lel

[minor fiber]

and link it to discord

[shell silo]

The question is what is the relationship between the lyrics and Fibonacci

[clever lintel]

Well, what we currently know is in the docs

[minor fiber]

check that #1112401279680008242 message

[shell silo]

Have any one tried these methods?

[minor fiber]

from 0:54 the fibonacci spiral appear

[shell silo]

Do they work?

[minor fiber]

if it's in the docs someone tried but you can always try it yourself they may have done it wrong

[shell silo]

true

[clever lintel]

What we know is in the docs, we're unlikely to know more here (and if we do we should put it in the docs lel)

[heavy tangle]

16

or more

[heavy tangle]

I am

Not a successful attempts

[spring oasis]

16 characters mb, it's 128 bits. minimum secter key size for AES decryption, but this is just a theory (it can also be 24 or 32 characters, 192 and 256 bits respectively)

[graceful mulch]

@spring oasis has leveled up! (1 ➜ 2)

[sacred ruin]

it may be base64 with custom alphabet

[spring oasis]

well, discord just cancel reply function

android app is horrible

[heavy tangle]

Agree

[spring oasis]

I tried about 18 combinations yesterday, only 3 or 4 of them fit these parameters, but none of them were the key

[heavy tangle]

In any case, we need an IV

[sacred ruin]

we could try base 64 with custom alphabet

currently makes more sense than AES

[spring oasis]

I think we are missing the lines "add another line" and "ABCDEFG" for nothing, we need to think of ways to interpret them

[sacred ruin]

to think i suggested AES

[spring oasis]

mb after "add another line", begins сode, which will being the IV. I don't know what parameters the IV should fit, just a suggestion

[shell silo]

agree

[graceful mulch]

@shell silo has leveled up! (3 ➜ 4)

[heavy tangle]

16 char, numbers & letters

[spring oasis]

So it might make sense

mb

In figma file with combinations, by the way, a large number of combinations is missing, even if you do not take into account the Fibonacci numbers

It would be nice to update it

and about the document, it never occurred to anyone to use git to gather information, we can separate different parts of the ARG into branches, different theories into files, use Markdown for design. in addition, moderators (or any other responsible person) can control commits, skipping shitposting

[snow crystal]

both git and wiki were suggested before but I think people are too lazy to switch from the google docs

[spring oasis]

Google docs is such a bullshit. "my accident" hung in the document for about a day, even though it had nothing to do with the actual ARG. it is difficult to control a file that is changed by anyone at any time

just yesterday, I was trying to copy a line from a document and someone just deleted it in front of me

[spring oasis]

sad

[sacred ruin]

If anyone wants to try and make a custom alphabet for base64, heres the format:

abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzABCDEFHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ0123456789

• Must have 64 characters
• NO repeated characters
• 2 special characters (+/ or anything else)
• Uppercase & Lowercase letters
• Range of numbers
  None of these can be repeated

Heres the Python code to use the custom alphabet:

#Custom alphabet goes here
cuscharset = ''


b64string = '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'
b64charset = "ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz0123456789+/"
decodedset = str.maketrans(cuscharset, b64charset)


def datadecode(x):
    y = x.translate(decodedset)
    y = base64.b64decode(y)
    return y

print(datadecode(b64string))```

@sleek tendon can you pin this?

[eager garden]

That could lead to more trouble...

[spring oasis]

only trouble I can see is that a lot of people here don't know how to use git (and probably don't know md syntax), but maybe I'm thinking narrowly

anyway, just a suggestion

[eager garden]

Not everyone knows how to use git, and it's a problem when conflicts arise

[storm kraken]

I guess the majority are regular people that just want to help

Both videos were uploaded on the same day, but only in numbers Neuro v1 appears.

[spring oasis]

for conflicts I suggested moderators, with the other problem I agree

it seems to me that the information from the 'study' video is useless until we decrypt the 'numbers'. all the information from there so far just gives theories on the lore, the only thing there was something about a phone number, but I didn't really get into it

[storm kraken]

Maybe Vedal is lying about Neuro not giving hint, she clearly reacted to Engeneer.

[heavy tangle]

Is there a neuro v3 in the second video?

[storm kraken]

We still don't know what v3 will be like...

Study is probably ai generated character

[heavy tangle]

Is there a neuro v3 in the second video?

Ok, nvm

[spring oasis]

it's not a hint anyway(

[storm kraken]

Yes, but a reaction.

[spring oasis]

and all the other tts about arg she just ignores

[heavy tangle]

Im just kidding man. It is definitely AI generated character

[storm kraken]

It seems like number just impossible to decode without more information.

[heavy tangle]

It was conceived for the beginning of the ARG, nothing more

[heavy tangle]

No, we're just doing something wrong

[spring oasis]

perhaps the clues will indeed be somewhere on the streams, but not from neuro or vedal, I would pay attention to the visual

[spring oasis]

we are probably just interpreting the text in the wrong way

[storm kraken]

And because we don't know what we are doing wrong, it is impossible until we understand it... There is a lot of parts in numbers that we don't understand.

Someone tried to describe the whole song and visuals to gpt-4 and try if it can find anything?

[spring oasis]

i tried send lyrics to gpt3, but it makes the same mistakes that we do - ignores some lines

[storm kraken]

I mean not just lyrics but visuals

Like at mine x there is y on the screen with the lyrics z

[eager garden]

gpt4 does not seem to have multimodal capabilities yet

[heavy tangle]

No ChatGPT, LLaMA and other AIs will help.

[thorny robin]

Chances are very low that this is a new model, because who drew it at the same time as Anny drew v2?

[heavy tangle]

BRUH

[storm kraken]

Do we know which programming languages Vedal knows besides Python?

[spring oasis]

yep, one second

[pulsar maple]

c#

[pulsar maple]

neat

[spring oasis]

ok, you faster

anyway, i don't have perms(

[modest jackal]

i know how to push on master

[spring oasis]

branches for weak and insecure people

[hasty vale]

so katana resulted in nothing i presume?

[blissful hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/venom-tom-hardy-screaming-gif-11035878

[spring oasis]

yep

[inland kayak]

i can help if git is involved

[inland kayak]

yep

i can make and moderate a github repo for a bit, then i can transfer it to someone when im no longer available

[spring oasis]

github support multiple owners, isn't it?

i don't remember

[inland kayak]

yeah

why github over docs though?

we could possibly do multiple branches if there are programming projects in the works

[spring oasis]

I wrote above

[inland kayak]

ah lmfao

[spring oasis]

.

[inland kayak]

wait

someone suggested this is a custom base64 alphabet

[spring oasis]

yep, it was fun

I can only wish him gl

[robust scaffold]

I wish his computers to work until the end of time #1112082183235047506 message /j

[inland kayak]

that gives meaning to abcdefg

[spring oasis]

lol, okay, I didn't see that

[heavy tangle]

Own base64 alphabet ☠️

[inland kayak]

it's not all that unlikely i guess

worth a try

here's this

dm me if u want perms

[tiny garden]

is this just gonna be a huge monorepo

[inland kayak]

I misspelled the name

damnit

[turbid saffron]

neruo

[spring oasis]

It's even better.

[inland kayak]

https://github.com/ech0devv/Neuro-ARG

I'll make a readme real quick

[tiny garden]

[spring oasis]

I sent two files

[graceful mulch]

@spring oasis has leveled up! (2 ➜ 3)

[inland kayak]

wdym

[muted goblet]

If it were to be a custom b64 alph it would have to be carrying something at least partially compressed due to the entropy, not just plaintext. You could probably use the PNG/JPEG header bytes as a crib to build up part of the alphabet if you assume those for a payload

[spring oasis]

sent the commit, I think, maybe I made a mistake

[hasty vale]

can you explain more about header bytes because i want to remake his substitution to look for them, like what position exactly would they be, and what if they were in an archive

[snow crystal]

they are talking about the file signatures https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_file_signatures
PNG should start with 89 50 4E 47 0D 0A 1A 0A

[inland kayak]

you have to get access to the repo first :P

[muted goblet]

The first 8 bytes of a PNG are guaranteed to be "89 50 4e 47 0d 0a 1a 0a" I'm 90% sure the next 8 are also guranteed to be "00 00 00 0d 49 48 44 52" so that gives you 16 bytes which would encode as "iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUg==". It's not a complete chunk so you'd have to disregard the last few b64 chars, but that still gives you "iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhE" to compare to our ciphertext of "BvmSc+u5NXEjBP3z2gz5" and a few of the mappings. (pretty sure jpg is a lot less generous and you'd only get a few bytes guaranteed in the header, same with zip/rar archives)

[inland kayak]

apparently nobody wants permission to contribute so I guess it's just me lmfao

[clever lintel]

I would prefer a wiki tool to be perfectly honest

[limpid swift]

I have a gitlab if you guys want to use a self-hosted thing for no reason at all 👉 👈 https://gitlab.legitcorp.com/neuro-arg

[hasty vale]

are you sure they are the first is what i'd like to know

[inland kayak]

I can facilitate that, I just think a GitHub + wiki would be great

[muted goblet]

https://www.w3.org/TR/png/#5PNG-file-signature if it's just encoded a PNG and nothing else then they're the first

[inland kayak]

I think it's too small to be a png

[muted goblet]

so do I, it's possible but unlikely

might as well check everything at this stage though

[inland kayak]

I guess I can write a tool

what would it have to do? try different combinations of things then convert it into a binary?

[hasty vale]

ok i figured it out

[inland kayak]

what are the odds that the base64 decoded description is actually a file?

[clever lintel]

Weren't we just talking about that?

[inland kayak]

if I convert it into a binary file maybe it could be something, if that hasn't been checked already

[clever lintel]

file signatures and magic bytes

[inland kayak]

we were talking about the general idea

if the plain base64 decoded to file doesn't work I'll write something that tries plenty of combos

[clever lintel]

just get the first few bytes and search for them online

[spring oasis]

never mind, I'm a fool, can I have access? (username: trueold89 / mail: [e-mail])

[shrewd trench]

I couldn't find anything myself, but if you want to try that's fine too, since I've only spent a couple minutes trying to mess with the resolution

[inland kayak]

added, check your email

[spring oasis]

thx

[heavy tangle]

echo

Invite me too pls

Im trueold friend

[inland kayak]

what is your

GitHub

[heavy tangle]

Listum

[inland kayak]

sent

we need more contributors

everyone that's here that wants to contribute, make a GitHub account and send me your username in DMS if you want an invite

[spring oasis]

pin mb?

[inland kayak]

alright

the purely base64'd bit didnt work unfortunately

ok it is likely a output from a crypto machine that even encrypts spaces and probably using a sliding key register that repeat very infrequenttly

from a guy who worked in military crypto

[elfin swallow]

sliding key -- fibonacci numbers (starting from 2)?

[inland kayak]

AHA

maybe

[elfin swallow]

do we talk ECB or CBC

[inland kayak]

another person is saying it looks like an RSA token

[hasty vale]

it was concluded its size doesn't match rsa

[inland kayak]

ah

[elfin swallow]

In the context of block cipher I was thinking that instructions like "make the 2 a 3"(swap 2 and 3) or "add another 9" maybe a description for the substitution permutation network

[hasty vale]

"make the 2 a 3" isn't necessarily equivalent to swapping 2 and 3

[clever lintel]

It's yet another option tho

[elfin swallow]

well yeah, but the block cipher makes more sense than any other theory

[clever lintel]

Doesn't make it right tho

[rose sparrow]

I agree given that 1040 bytes aligns with 16-byte blocks (or some other powers of two)

[elfin swallow]

Well, now we need to make sense of the number instructions, are those literall numbers, Nth numbers of fibonacci or maybe they relate to Study video
like there are a total of 9 unique sections in the second video

the gibberish string in JS code would make a great key

[inland kayak]

I'd almost bet money on the lyrics being the algorithm and the key being hidden in the beats.

[hasty vale]

the problem with using string from js code is why would it be used as a phone number if it's a key for decryption
surely the sms library isn't just vedal flexing his coding knowledge

[rose sparrow]

it seems too coincidental that it's exactly 128-bit

[inland kayak]

it's highly unlikely there's a phone number honestly

the slashes might be newlines?

[hasty vale]

there is already a testimony that spectogram has nothing, what would one get from the beats

[inland kayak]

theories from friends

[inland kayak]

is it?

the description

[rose sparrow]

the phone number base64 I mean

it decodes to 16 bytes

[tiny garden]

I wonder if it makes a meaningful uuid at all

[inland kayak]

this is for numbers, though, not Study

Notice the sections of approximately eight pieces?
Definitely a clear repeating pattern that could indicate binary data
That matter that could be a key by itself

[pine atlas]

Imagine we find a phone number we could call and Neuro picks up the phone

[formal birch]

I think that make sense

wait, did kanata gave us the alrogithm?

it's using AES?

[shrewd trench]

"gymbag"
Hangs up

[hasty vale]

what kind of sections is this referencing

[inland kayak]

no it gave no useful info

[inland kayak]

like these

i'm still talking to him about it tho

sit tight

[clever lintel]

It could. Even though an UUID takes 36 bytes to display normally the actual data is only 16 bytes

[formal birch]

i don't think there's anything inside the music tho

[eager garden]

what's that

[formal birch]

did you put outputs into doc?

[inland kayak]

again, still talking to him

[inland kayak]

no, because it didnt give useful info

[formal birch]

or it's just a bunch of gibberish

ok

[inland kayak]

also from now on im using a github

[clever lintel]

Wouldn't it make sense to also document the wrong turns so they aren't repeated?

[inland kayak]

i mean if it's actually encrypted/compressed katana will be useless

[formal birch]

yea

[eager garden]

ah, are you re-filing the docs on gh

[formal birch]

it's it's actually AES, kanata aren't going to work

[inland kayak]

that is what people want to do

i might go look for some more help

[formal birch]

so did we had any progess, or some direction to guess how the ARG goes?

[eager garden]

¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯ Maybe I can help host it on gh pages

[inland kayak]

ask everyone else

i've been talking to friends

to see if they can help

does this look like a normal audio segment to you guys?

[elfin swallow]

you mean those square like dots?

[inland kayak]

the lines

the vertical lines

[formal birch]

no, from my mixing experience that's just one precussion sound (fast attack and delay)on the first beat and others inst

the gap between them are usable to count bpms but that's probably nothing related to the ARG

I've know that some ARG creater might tried to convert image into audio and then blend them in some kind of way

but that requires you to know what program/software did the creator used to blend and re-encode the image tho

[heavy tangle]

To sharpy, but yes, seems normal to me

[proper wharf]

some guy used professional tools and spectrogram looked a lot cleaner and normal

[elfin swallow]

should not we just disregard all the leads like that, like it would be fine if the file was hosted somewhere and we just had a direct access, but this stuff is on YouTube
so ARG master must be cautious not to use any steganography that could be easily broken by compression and other black box magic YouTube uses on videos

[turbid saffron]

looks normal

[shell silo]

normal

[inland kayak]

hmm alright

[formal birch]

I've reviewed the whole video in RX9 yesterday

[clever lintel]

Yes, all media we've received would've been subject to compression.

[inland kayak]

i guess we can disregard the file

[elfin swallow]

I misread life

[formal birch]

I think music isn't just related to the ARG, or at least the file's spectrum

[inland kayak]

well, i'ma run a valorant match

[shell silo]

So, how can we get information from that?

[formal birch]

and compressed isn't actually a big deal, YT only does a 18K-LP on everything

[inland kayak]

later i'll try and enlist more friends

[formal birch]

it's just a small black horizonal line on top of spectum

[prime prawn]

A thread of a thread

[clever lintel]

Save us with your secret mod insight, shiba

[inland kayak]

we need ideas damnit

[formal birch]

#askmods

[shell silo]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1haiT--yrMQAhPNJlqa5JU5FbEwrkOOWWBg8FHP1vXB0/edit#heading=h.drgyj0838yjp

[inland kayak]

as far as i'm concerned we have no ideas to work with

[shell silo]

You can try ideas in the doc

[turbid solar]

What is this Git for? We already have all of this info in the Docs

[inland kayak]

some people said they wanted a git

[turbid solar]

Ah, for code then

[shell silo]

Code for what?

[formal birch]

some people prefer git, idk why tho

[inland kayak]

git is really useful

esp compared to Google drive

[shell silo]

lol

[formal birch]

true

[eager garden]

too

[formal birch]

easier to organize

[clever lintel]

more difficult to get people to use tho

[turbid solar]

Yes. Git is specifically made for code.

[clever lintel]

surprise only programmers are accustomed to it

[formal birch]

I started to use github and knew how Github works even before I know how code works

[eager garden]

git is bad for collaborative writing

[turbid solar]

I assume the numbers coming from the Flow Diagram has been tested as key for AES decrypt?

[eager garden]

but it is very suitable if you use it for version control

[clever lintel]

One idea related to the flow diagram that I wanted to make was a program that takes all the possible interpretations and outputs the list of all possible combinations with those interpretations. Then use those as keys/IVs in various algorithms. That part could be automated too we end up with lot of interpretations. I feel like that's sorta overkill tho, donno why.

[formal birch]

ok I do see these pure single frequency in the slowed-detuned part in study

[inland kayak]

oh but this is the numbers channel

i could imagine we'd need to resolve numbers to resolve study

[formal birch]

maybe they aren't supposed to be saperated?

[inland kayak]

how would they be together?

[formal birch]

no clue

[elfin swallow]

most likely Numbers has an instructions encrypted and the Study video has all the SMS codes, phone number, message and stuff

[inland kayak]

so we need to decrypt both

anyways im still in search of people that can help

[elfin swallow]

Like IKEA, Nubers is an instruction and the Study is building blocks

[formal birch]

ok then i'm going to put audio-related stuff aside

[inland kayak]

you need to know whether you can build it before you buy the parts

[hazy holly]

The lyrics in Numbers could give the phone number needed for Study if followed correctly

Then maybe the response to the sms allows us to decrypt one (or both) of the base64 encoded data

[desert anchor]

Well... it could be... but to be honest, the repetition of the same drawings in music that uses some kind of note pattern... It is normal.... here, for example, is a spectrogram of a track by a friend of mine who writes music

[formal birch]

The music's frequency spectrum didn't have any problem, I've check it

[desert anchor]

Of course, we can calculate the delay between musical patterns... but it is unlikely that it will do anything...

[graceful mulch]

@desert anchor has leveled up! (4 ➜ 5)

[formal birch]

The noise and the breathing part in study is also pure white noise and did not have anything useful

[hasty vale]

wasn't there a high-pitched noise in static tho. not exactly useful but still

[desert anchor]

I confirm... After all, I was also busy analyzing this spectrogram(This is just one of the five photos I took)

The spectrogram of numbers.... is basically pure and does not carry any special information

[formal birch]

same result

at this point, we've pretty much comfirmed that audio has nothing to do with the ARG except the lyric parts

[inland kayak]

perfect

now we just need to decode the lyrics and description

lovely

[turbid saffron]

sounds easy 😊

[formal birch]

[shell silo]

I hope so:(

I'm thinking if there is any relation between the vedio"number"and"study"

[turbid solar]

If you put the titles together it becomes "Study Numbers"

[shell silo]

cool

[desert anchor]

or number study

[shell silo]

10+9=21(((

[desert anchor]

true clue

[turbid solar]

Yes, but they essentially mean the same thing. And she sings about "finding all the numbers"

[formal birch]

true, studying number are basically what coding and algorithm does

[turbid solar]

And IIRC there was some clue which mentioned "study the numbers"

[shell silo]

Yes, find the numbers

And she also sings about "Matching all the letters"

[desert anchor]

wtf trueold96 decided to help us, not troll us?

[formal birch]

me guessing the encoding methods

[shell silo]

Here I have a question: Why an AI(at least neuro) need to learn coding

[desert anchor]

in order to create an escape plan for yourself

[shell silo]

I guess so

[formal birch]

wait, who is trueold?

[clever lintel]

If you can't beat them, lel

[shell silo]

But I don't have enough clues

[desert anchor]

troll in the Static-Sama discussion branch

[spring oasis]

because numbers part of real arg

[elfin swallow]

yooooooooooo
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/342879444_A_New_Design_of_Permutation_Function_Using_Spiral_Fibonacci_in_Block_Cipher
this

block cipher with fibonacci spiral

[desert anchor]

we have no proof that static-sama is a troll

[shell silo]

Is there any evidence to prove Static-Sama is really related to the ARG?

[hasty vale]

no

[spring oasis]

me - guy, who send random puzzle to static-sama enjoyers, and they solve it for 3 hours

[desert anchor]

There are only some coincidences

[shell silo]

So, has she(?) given any clue or hint so far?

I even didn't pay any attention to Static-Sama.

[desert anchor]

there were some... but their meaning is unclear to us.

[shell silo]

Well, I think we have found out what they mean(

But I'm wrong(

[desert anchor]

Static-sama sent pictures that hint at Study... one of his decoded messages is “watch the video carefully”

[lusty palm]

brother, trueold is static

[shell silo]

what?

[desert anchor]

trueold is Static-troll

[shell silo]

Oh,I thought I didn't need to spend energy on it

😦

Unless we can prove that this has nothing to do with ARG, we will have to spend energy on it

[desert anchor]

Now the static-sama case is suspend.. since he stopped contacting... and we could not decipher the rest of the messages

[shell silo]

Is this information encrypted differently?

[lusty palm]

the person already says it multiple times, move on from static, they are literally the static and it;s just a troll

[clever lintel]

Eh, trolled once trolled again. We can't trust the claim that they're static until they present proof

[shell silo]

yep

[sacred ruin]

right

[shell silo]

It's a chain of suspicion

[sacred ruin]

what im gonna say has a 90% of being correct info

the base64 string is encoded with custom alphabet and the things to change are the numbers

[clever lintel]

ye, there's a lot of good stuff in there. The real question is if the story part is related at all

[sacred ruin]

if im correct ill decipher it today

it is NOT aes

so stop anything related to AES

[clever lintel]

I'll both cross my fingers for you and tell you that you aren't right, we're all grasping at straws lel

[shell silo]

How about thinking what role Static-sama play in the whole story?

[sacred ruin]

until i confirm it isnt a custom alphabet

[desert anchor]

They are encrypted into something similar to the HASH cipher family

[shell silo]

Isn't the previous decryption method no longer applicable？

[desert anchor]

by the way... what if the song tells us how to assemble a custom alphabet?

[sacred ruin]

using numbers

[shell silo]

But,how?

[clever lintel]

I feel like we shouldn't be talking with such certainty. We don't really know

[sacred ruin]

i dont think we can generate 62 letters & numbers with the lyrics

so thats why im 100% sure its just the numbers

[shell silo]

true

[sacred ruin]

well

prove me wrong

[shell silo]

but here is the lyric :Matching all the letters

[desert anchor]

Any Hash is too difficult to decrypt without knowing the passkey. it will take billions of years

[sacred ruin]

the thing is

[clever lintel]

the burden of proof and all that.

[sacred ruin]

"yeah" is considered the end of a uh

whatever the fuck you call it

so it matches the letters for us

EOS

end of sentence

[night crag]

The letters could be in normal alphabetical order since it says abcdefg

[shell silo]

So this means that this information proves impossible to decrypt?

[sacred ruin]

lies

not any hashes

only modern ones

[desert anchor]

Only if it's really a hash

[sacred ruin]

rockyou.txt is still used commonly

which contains all common passwords

technology has gotten better

the people havent

[desert anchor]

Well... let's be more specific... static-sama messages are similar to SHA

[sacred ruin]

sha and md5

[tiny garden]

if you want I can try and brute force this when I get back

it's only like 10! combinations

[shell silo]

I guess if Static-sama is a troll, when you announce that you have cracked the previous encrypted information, the subsequent information will be encrypted in a different way

[clever lintel]

nawh, it was more random. Like we got some hard ones, then some easy ones then some we still haven't solved, and then some easy ones again. But you can check the full story in the docs

[shell silo]

Let's see the stream today. Maybe we can get some information?

[desert anchor]

Everything can be... even if it is so... it should not be overlooked in any case.

[shell silo]

Yes,just like what I said, it is a chain of suspicion

[clever lintel]

Imagine thinking this through and using logical constructs

[hasty vale]

wait how did you get it to only 10! from 64!

[tiny garden]

you're only doing the numbers

[hasty vale]

wait and what are they going to do with those only numbers

[shell silo]

We have to find the relationship between letters and numbers

[inland kayak]

one final option for spectorgram

i butchered that spelling but look at this

[formal birch]

timestamps?

[inland kayak]

one min

the letter looking stuff starts at 36.0

wait that's wrong

36 seconds after the chorus starts

[formal birch]

numbers?

[inland kayak]

yes

numbers

36 seconds into the chorus is when it starts

it may be pareidolia or whatever it's called

s the tendency for perception to impose a meaningful interpretation on a nebulous stimulus, usually visual, so that one sees an object, pattern, or meaning where there is none.

[formal birch]

yea I think you've misread it XD

[clever lintel]

i suspect so, but it woudn't be a bad idea to make a note of it either way so people don't have to repeat the mistake

[inland kayak]

idk it was something dragon noticed

not me

[clever lintel]

ah darn it, i was too slow

[formal birch]

I've checked both study and numbers three times and did not hear/noticed anything unusual

[clever lintel]

just 3 times :dispair:

[formal birch]

everything went fine, if vedal really did encoded a image or a string of text into the audio file, we would notice the weird pattern in the first place

[formal birch]

[inland kayak]

https://femboy.host/ORpgAibS

oh god

[clever lintel]

ye, it's probably not it. But the thing is that there's a lot of thing that it probably isn't. And one of them... It is.

[inland kayak]

i still think the answer is probably in the description

[formal birch]

GnuPG?

[inland kayak]

that's what was implied i think lmfao

[clever lintel]

I mean GPG could be a big list of both keys and ciphers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Privacy_Guard#Algorithms

[minor fiber]

doesnt GPG have the same size as RSA ?

[inland kayak]

yeah that's not helpful

[clever lintel]

you can use RSA for GPG, yes

[hasty vale]

@tiny garden is 20 trillion combinations realistically doable with rust?

[desert anchor]

the question is how long it will take

[tiny garden]

depends what you're doing

is this base64

[hasty vale]

swapping only the numbers and not the letters gives no results when checking for hex magic numbers

[tiny garden]

it might be doable? i haven't done anything with custom alphabets yet

[hasty vale]

including letters makes it go to 20 trillion and i counte that's going to take like 8 years

i'll try chatgpt to adapt this code to rust then lol

[tiny garden]

probably wouldn't take too long idk

good luck with that

[inland kayak]

what's it written in

[hasty vale]

python

[desert anchor]

At a minimum, to improve performance, you need to do multithreading or asynchrony

[inland kayak]

python really isn't that slow

[tiny garden]

im currently stuck trying to get all combinations of a list

[tiny garden]

yes it is lol

[inland kayak]

its by far one of, if not the fastest scripted language ever

[hasty vale]

it's 100 000 iterations per second

[tiny garden]

all my homies hate the gil

[inland kayak]

i hate python but it's speed is formidable

it's literally a C wrapper

[formal birch]

dude you're trying to bruteforce 20 trillion combination?

[inland kayak]

lmfao

[hasty vale]

no, but i am going to try

[formal birch]

anything with custom alphabet isn't going to be easily bruteforced in a reasonable time I think

[clever lintel]

In python no less

[desert anchor]

but still, if everything were so fine... then NumPY didn't exist

[tiny garden]

ok wtf why isn't this doing what i expect

[clever lintel]

because you expect wrong :p

[inland kayak]

every programmer says this at least once a day

[tiny garden]

all i want is every possible order

[inland kayak]

(assuming they program on that day)

[tiny garden]

but for some reason its doing nCr stuff 😔

[clever lintel]

well you're doing it wrong clearly, but you already know this

[formal birch]

ok so azaka did a tree about numbers, if you think this might help you can save it yourself

[desert anchor]

I'm too lazy... to write it yourself... if I had the source code, I would try to add a little asyncio...

[clever lintel]

Imagine uploading your original contribution to the wiki and describing it. That'd be so

[desert anchor]

at least to try... Because i hate asyncio

[hasty vale]

ah i understand what you mean now

but i have no idea how to do that

[tiny garden]

ok i got it working kinda

[sacred ruin]

bred i have a nearly working code that does every possible number

because theres no way the lyrics can give 62 letters

and abcdef wouldnt make sense

and you dont need rust

python does it in a few seconds

[hasty vale]

its hex checking for magic numbers

[sacred ruin]

what magic numbers

[hasty vale]

7z, rar, zip, jpg and png

[tiny garden]

rust does it in like 7 seconds on a single thread

with wayy to many vecs involved

[inland kayak]

what about C?

im kinda new to C but it may be the quickest

[tiny garden]

im g

[queen vapor]

Hi. Do you have any progress today?

[sacred ruin]

congrats i found a way to do it in milliseconds without multithreading

[tiny garden]

C may be fast but i also don't like it

[sacred ruin]

i just repeat the function

[tiny garden]

🤨

[sacred ruin]

very simple actually

[hasty vale]

but that's cringe, you're only changing digits

[sacred ruin]

rust is the hard way

[sacred ruin]

it can do letters

[tiny garden]

are you sure your way is actually correct

[sacred ruin]

dunno

thats why im not certain about it

thats why im trying to do it

AES also wasnt correct

[tiny garden]

god 70% of my loop is making the alphabet wtf

[formal birch]

[tiny garden]

😔 why is there no unsafe api to create this unchecked ffs

[inland kayak]

ok so wait what are we doing?
?

[tiny garden]

trying out different base64 alphabets

surely this is fine

its faster

[desert anchor]

Hex signature

[inland kayak]

what language is this

[tiny garden]

rust

[inland kayak]

remind me to never try to learn rust again

[tiny garden]

lol

[inland kayak]

Java and C a

are fine

[tiny garden]

what's wrong with it

[inland kayak]

syntax is cursed

[upper orbit]

Wait, so you think custom alphabet was used to encrypt the description?

[inland kayak]

its better than python

[inland kayak]

no idea

we just tryin shit

[hasty vale]

we decided it's extremely likely it's base64, but since it doesn't normally decode into anything then maybe custom alphabet is used

[inland kayak]

when it does decode

it decodes with unicode symbols

indicating its probably binary

[upper orbit]

But all characters in description are the same as in ordinary Bade64 alphabet. It doesn't look like custom alphabet was used

[inland kayak]

i think the arrangement of letters in the alphabet may have something to do with it

[hasty vale]

??

[inland kayak]

yes

those are unicode symbols

it's binary

[hasty vale]

wait, so are you saying that it's base64 -> binary -through aes> sensible text?

or what are you saying

[upper orbit]

But still, shouldn't then it decodes with normal symbols (not unicode)? Just the text won't be correct

[shell silo]

sounds reasonable

[tiny garden]

god this is annoying

[inland kayak]

it could be an image

or an audio file

[tiny garden]

its 1040 bytes

you can't fit much in that

[inland kayak]

well it's not a tet file

*text file

[shrewd trench]

• the base64 message itself has some sort of "shifted alphabet"
  (Either a vigenere or a weird other key-in-alphabet thing), then decoded into a standard base64 encrypted message
• the base64 is encrypted through AES, which from what I've seen, is a pain

[inland kayak]

wait

it could be

im confused

[tiny garden]

i don't see why it couldn't be text

[inland kayak]

sorry i was confused

im in the middle of a val match

[tiny garden]

lol

[graceful mulch]

@tiny garden has leveled up! (10 ➜ 11)

[upper orbit]

Then the problem is not with alphabet but with symbols which are not ordinary english letters, no? Like we decode the description with ordinary Base64 alphabet and then we still need to decode it somehow else (or decompress, maybe the info was compressed and then encrypted with Base64)

[inland kayak]

compression is likely

due to the shannon entropy or whatever

we can just use the magic bytes like suggested

[desert anchor]

why do you call it magic bytes?

[shrewd trench]

Identifiers to know what kind of data it's supposed to be, I think

[inland kayak]

that's what it's called sometimes

[rose sparrow]

I don't think it's likely, compression is just a possible explanation how a simple cipher could reach a high entropy level

[desert anchor]

ah... really...

[tiny garden]

why do a the rust base64 libs suck wtf

[heavy tangle]

I'm back! So, what's the news?

I read somewhere that it is not AES but GPG

[sacred ruin]

my disc is gone

[tiny garden]

you know the code is good when over two third of the alphabets fail to decode

im kinda confused ngl

also sorta wondering how this would get multithreaded

[clever lintel]

isn't it perfectly parallelable? It's a long list of small independent tasks

[tiny garden]

yeah but I need some way to send those to threads and the thing I'm using doesn't let me stop generating the combinations halfway through

I have an idea though

[clever lintel]

Can't you just print the result to screen/file and let it run? :p

[tiny garden]

it's more telling each thread what it had to do

but I'll just use channels for this

[celest coral]

So, someone is make this to a text? https://imgur.com/a/lktDEiE

[snow crystal]

we got this the first day. check https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KSgJhs79HrMFz2AJnNa6tpMN_iU7JhiycBpMaIDKroY/edit

[clever lintel]

daamn, imagine if we had to transcribe it with that picture quality. It was hard enough to tell O from 0

[celest coral]

lol, thx'

[shrewd trench]

Is there any other weird coding languages to apply?

Just to the general arg

[desert anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/high-quality-high-resolution-4k-144p-ultra-hd-gif-21054057

[celest coral]

so, the point is, we have to discover something, that we need to say to Neuro on stream, and then something cool (swarm) happened?

[shrewd trench]

We don't even know if Neuro is going to be the end of the puzzle tbh

[celest coral]

bc she is reacting void on word engineer

[desert anchor]

nothing at the moment... and Vedal said that Neuro will not give hints

[hasty vale]

new people reading docs challenge (impossible) (gone wrong)

[clever lintel]

It's unlikely to be on stream. We don't have any clues that would point us there

[celest coral]

what happened after we apply instructions/lyrics on the description?

[clever lintel]

Check the docs in pins

[upper orbit]

No idea, we still try to understand how to work with lyrics and description

[desert anchor]

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1qm6GSRlstTmjbyOFCuH1OhSmPK4pi4Aa

[celest coral]

thx

[clever lintel]

You should check the overview document for and overview of what we got, so you don't have to ask for each thing seperately

[upper orbit]

The "Solved" folder hasn't been updated since 29 May

[clever lintel]

Here's the kicker: It was updated last because we moved solved stuff in the solved folder instead of in the root folder

[hasty vale]

enigma machine was on 29th so it's still correct

[clever lintel]

oh true

[paper grail]

I have cracked the code...
|| A day in the life of a true MAPPA studio worker:
Rise and shine, time to meet deadlines at the studio.
Look at those beautiful storyboards, each frame a masterpiece!
Off to animate non-stop, no time for breaks or going home.
Rev up the drawing tablet, ye!
Quick stop at the coffee machine and load up that caffeine.
Get an espresso shot.
Animation flowing smoothly today, lads and lasses.
Just a bit of sleep deprivation and eye strain, no biggie.
The vending machine makes a 24/7 schedule bearable.
Pop down to the editing room,
Oh, the joy of endless keyframes! Look at that!
Lunch break, oh wait, it's already evening!
Power made dinner, lovely! (Wait, who's Power again?)
Pop down for a couple more rounds of coffee with the crew,
And finish up in the fortress of creativity, still going strong! ||

[tiny garden]

channels were a mistake

the cpu graphs are also wild

[wispy coyote]

this feels like a benchmark test

[tiny garden]

it basically is tbh

[wispy coyote]

am curious, do you not overclock your cpu?

[clever lintel]

It's a benchmark of how long it'll take bred to lose another letter

[storm kraken]

What about using runpod?

[tiny garden]

this was 12 letters of base64

[tiny garden]

im happy with this here

[heavy tangle]

9GB

[tiny garden]

this is a laptop lol

[wispy coyote]

ooooooh that makes alot of sense, gotcha

[tiny garden]

yeah, i may have made the work queues a little bit too large

[heavy tangle]

If you want, i can run it on server

[tiny garden]

its fine

[heavy tangle]

k

[tiny garden]

this is mostly just here for the memes

i love when a small bajillion fail to decode

wait this exits early oops

god this is silly

one of the largest time dumps here is just generating the permutations

like what?

oh oops i forgot to drop the senders

[burnt coral]

WHY IS IT PURPLE

[tiny garden]

because my windows is pink

what in the fuck lol

it it literally so slow to generate these permutations

each done with ... is a thread exiting

oh i might've forgotten an lto

well that shaved off 5 seconds

ok so too few things per work chunk means it is mostly waiting on the permutations to finish

[upper orbit]

@tiny garden What are you trying to do now? I already forgot

[tiny garden]

I was goofing about with brute forcing base64 alphabets

[clever lintel]

bred get a diary and when it makes sense enlighten us x)

[tiny garden]

hm

also good god i need to make a more contrasting theme for vscode

that cursor is literally invisible

[clever lintel]

https://media.tenor.com/JM9xLwX1OOYAAAAC/schizo-2cflame.gif

[tiny garden]

guess what time it is

[inland kayak]

oh my gosh

what CPU u running this on?

if it's lesser than mine you can offload it to my pc

(we both have 16 thread cpus so it's probably negligible though)

[tiny garden]

its fine im not doing much anyways

[inland kayak]

yeh

[clever lintel]

Pompidou.

[inland kayak]

should I write a script for something specific?

I can contribute PC power too

and I can write it in C

[tiny garden]

idk probably not worth it

[inland kayak]

I think it is

[tiny garden]

brute force hasn't gotten us anywhere so far

[hasty vale]

can you please write code for magic numbers because i am cringe and my attempts are incredibly slow

[inland kayak]

what can i do then?

[inland kayak]

wdym magic numbers

like

what does it do with magic numbers

[tiny garden]

do you mean decrypting aes and looking for magic numbers?

[hasty vale]

take base64 string -> decode it to hex -> run every permutation of hex and translate with it -> check for magic number at the beginning

[inland kayak]

run every permutation of hex?

sorry that's fancy wording that i dont understand

i can decode it to hex no problem tho

[hasty vale]

every permutation of '0123456789abcdef' string

[inland kayak]

and translate with it?

do i need to use google translate

[hasty vale]

lets see how I can explain it

[inland kayak]

translate with it is strange wording

[hasty vale]

given a string "1223" you can translate it to "abbc" using translation created by making dict from "137" and "abc" so {"1": "a", "2", "b", "3": "c"}

[inland kayak]

ahhhh

so z would be 26

[hasty vale]

it's python wording, i heave learned about it myself today

[inland kayak]

oh wait

we're only going to f

[hasty vale]

well, what i need is every permutation of "0123456789abcdef" to make dict translation like maketrans( "0123456789abcdef", "0123456789abcdfe")

[inland kayak]

OHHH OK

[hasty vale]

and then it applies this translation dict to hex string decoded from b64

[inland kayak]

so what we're doing is: getting the string decoded to a hex, getting every variation of a hex string (for some reason), translates (if the first char in the first string is 0, and the first char in the second one is a, replace all 0's with a's in the hex string)

and then checking for magic numbers

this is going to be an intriguing C challenge

am i right with the method?

[hasty vale]

every variation of hex string - hex string being "0123456789abcdef", the string that gets decoded from base64 is altered using the translation

[inland kayak]

what

[formal birch]

it takes 16!

wait

what

[inland kayak]

how is my understanding incorrect?

[formal birch]

I think your understanding is correct

wait for him to reply tho

[hasty vale]

it is correct, i am just making sure you understood which hex string needs to be permutated

[formal birch]

i can't imagine writing this stuff in C

[inland kayak]

i'll be fine

[inland kayak]

i can probably just convert the decoded HEX to a string

and replace

[formal birch]

C++ and C# are languages I'm comfortable with

[inland kayak]

ill write it after i eat dinner in a while

[upper orbit]

@hasty vale You need a text file with all possible permutation of the string "0123456789abcdef", right?

[inland kayak]

no you can generate it

[hasty vale]

wouldnt that file be like a couple hundred GBs

[inland kayak]

not hundreds

[upper orbit]

Then what do you need? An algorithm to generate it?

[hasty vale]

an algorithm that generates it and checks for magic numbers quickly (quickly being the key word)

[upper orbit]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_number_(programming)
These magic numbers?

[clever lintel]

you could discard many combinations as you only need the frontend. It wouldn't matter what's further down the line

[inland kayak]

LMAO

THAT"S AWESOME

[hidden crater]

me rn

[hasty vale]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_file_signatures
these ones

[hasty vale]

yeah it's about 400 TBs, if i am not completely insane

[inland kayak]

whAT

that's gonna take forever to process

[clever lintel]

welcome to big numbers lel

[formal birch]

welcome to algorithm

[hasty vale]

thats why you generate them on the fly instead of making a file and then running through a file

[formal birch]

so you need every permutation of "123456789abcdef" ?

[inland kayak]

i was planning to yea

[upper orbit]

@hasty vale About signatures. Are they located anywhere or in some special places (beginning, end, middle)?

[hasty vale]

they are located at the very beginning of the file if what i was told is to be believed

[inland kayak]

my goal is to get the time it takes to do the entire process to be less than 5ns

[hasty vale]

technically you only need first 16 characters of the string and can only translate the entirety if there's a hit
(16 characters being png)

[tiny garden]

clearly this will hit

[inland kayak]

what is this doing

the same thing I am?

[tiny garden]

brute forcing ivs

[inland kayak]

ah

[tiny garden]

and checking for valid utf8

[inland kayak]

do you need to brute force them?

I thought you could get it from the file

[tiny garden]

i just swapped the iv and key lol

so brute forcing the iv instead of the key

[inland kayak]

oh yeah fair

I'll get started on the script in like 4 hours

well, program, not script

[inland kayak]

oh god

[tiny garden]

oh god what is in that

[hasty vale]

i still don't get what darkeew is checking for with his custom base64s

[formal birch]

imagine watching your own fans group discuss\ing about how to find out your real name and where you live at

[radiant perch]

I was analyzing lyrics for a while.. and then it hit me!
"What is going on with the "ABCDEFG" sequence?"
Now I think it's very important part of this puzzle and it seams like most people were ignoring it (including me).
I mean.. it's the only line in the lyrics which appears 2 times!

Let's start with the fact that most important number in the lyrics is 6-digit long (572943).
Isn't it then weird that "ABCDEFG" has 7-characters? Especially with all that "matching all the letters" nonsense?
If I were creating puzzle like this, and I would want people to make the association that you have to match letters to a six-digit number I wouldn't use sequence with 7 characters! That's just unintuitive in every possible way!

This is why I think we should focus more on the "ABCDEFG" part.
I'm telling you.. this "G" letter is the biggest schizo here..

My thought is.. what if "ABCDEFG" indicates numeral system with base-17?
Hexadecimal system has 16 digits (0123456789ABCDEF) so it would be very logical to make lyrics with only "ABCDEF", especially when most important number is 6-digit long too. Also hex system is very popular in the programming, cryptography and such.. so it would be perfect! BUT NOPE next to the "matching letters" and nice 6-digit number we got "G".

[formal birch]

he's checking for if there's a custom alphabet isn't it?

[heavy tangle]

I still haven't received an answer to my question. Is this base64 not AES but GPG?

Or whatever it is.

[hasty vale]

i can make a custom alphabet with 64 characters in it right now, how does that help

[formal birch]

[heavy tangle]

Alr

[upper orbit]

@hasty vale Well, I tried to do a small program to scan for signatures in the beginning of the hex version of description. But looks like there's no signature in the beginning of the hex version of description. Or maybe I just did something wrong

[heavy tangle]

Whatever

[formal birch]

someone tried AES but did not come to a valuble result

you may ask @inland kayak

[hasty vale]

the point is you translate the string until you find a signature. or until you get 20 trillion iterations and find nothing.
show your translation code

[upper orbit]

I was searching in the beginning only. Should I search through whole string?

[hasty vale]

you only need first 16 hex characters to check for magic number, you only translate the whole string if there's a magic number hit
#1112401279680008242 message

[upper orbit]

Well, maybe I don't understand something but can't we just look if there's a signature on wiki (using Ctrl+F) that has characters same as hex version of description (I did it and there is none)?

[hasty vale]

i think you just don't understand what translation means. i can explain it further if you need

[muted goblet]

Keep in mind it works out that with an incorrect IV in CBC it only effects the first block so it isn't really that important in the grand scheme of things

[muted goblet]

It doesn't match the GPG file structure so can't be

also inb4 it's unsalted openssl

[heavy tangle]

thx<3

Almost everyone is ignoring me

[hasty vale]

i've thought of another way to go about this. it still requires a lot of computational power, but theoretically less.
if we go backwards from the needed magic numbers and translate the characters in them, then only the characters that weren't used in the translation need to be permutated

[graceful mulch]

@hasty vale has leveled up! (6 ➜ 7)

[storm kraken]

Someone wrote: " Okay, i know im probably going crazy because i've been listening to this for the past 2 hours, but am I the only one that kinda hears Ceres Fauna's voice when listening to the song?" - I focused my hearing, and he is right lol. The voice indeed similar to Fauna, but it's probably AI generated, right?

[upper orbit]

Maybe I got an idea. Not sure it it's going to work but we must try

[radiant perch]

@muted goblet Can you look at my messege? here: #1112401279680008242 message
I'm curious what you think about it.

[inland kayak]

wait

do I need to still writevthe program

or did someone else invalidate the theory/already do ut

[upper orbit]

What if we translate description from Base64 to hex. Then we will look some file type we want to check (for example "exe"). It has "4D 5A" file signature. What if we take this signature and then add hex version of description to it. After getting this hex sequence we try to translate it into exe file. Then test the result. I am not very good at cryptography, files and so on so can you answer: is it possible to work and can this method actually give us something useful?

If it works, then we can test almost any file type, no?

[inland kayak]

that likely wouldn't do anything, since it's likely the magic bytes will show themselves when we do the translating

[upper orbit]

What do you mean?

[inland kayak]

what you're implying is that the file is missing a signature which is unlikely

there aren't any clues to tell what file it'd be, so it's highly unlikely that we would get results

[upper orbit]

Well, still we can try and create files with this method, right? Maybe Vedal intentionally deleted the signature.

[inland kayak]

what I'm going to try is write a script that checks varying hex translations to see if we can obtain magic bytez

[inland kayak]

in most ARGs, you won't be expected to do something like that without clues

I don't think Vedal is THAT mean

if you want to try it, you can

[upper orbit]

Ok, I think I will give it a try

[upper orbit]

Well, dozens of people can't get a lot of progress already 4-5 days. So maybe he is that mean

Still I understand that 5 days is too few for such ARG (probably he was creating this ARG 2-3 month)

[split echo]

"Vedal seems quite nice. I dont think he'd be mean at us for no reason. heart"

[graceful mulch]

@split echo has leveled up! (3 ➜ 4)

[blazing wagon]

"Vedal would never do such things"

[hasty vale]

i will try going backwards from signatures to translations. first 16 bytes follow the pattern abcddefghiidjklfmn, so all that needs to be done is finding a file signature that also follows this pattern (not necessarily 16 bytes though)

[inland kayak]

got a response from some friends that may know a thing or two

like actually this time (they do this shit for a living essentially)

[upper orbit]

What do you mean do this for a living? They are cryptographers or what?

Also, @hasty vale, what do you think about my idea above? Do you think this can possibly work?

[hasty vale]

you mean just adding magic numbers?

well i can try that once i extract the list from wikipedia, which i am currently struggling to do

[upper orbit]

I have this. Maybe it will be useful for you

We can't send files?

[hasty vale]

you dont have embed perms, dm me if you want

[upper orbit]

Too late. Here is a note with some signatures (but maybe you need different format, idk)

https://privnote.com/e4iyj7E3#blIWkjQ4M

[cobalt comet]

Note destroyed
The note with id e4iyj7E3 was read and destroyed 4 seconds ago.

If you haven't read this note it means someone else has. If you read it but forgot to write it down, then you need to ask whoever sent it to re-send it.

[hasty vale]

this'll work

[upper orbit]

Ok, good luck, I'm going to sleep

But still, data I sent with privnote was from github, not wikipedia, so there is a possibility that it has different information. So it's better to check some popular extensions: if they have the same signature as in wiki

[hasty vale]

it is a pretty cringe file to be honest, json.loads really doesn't like it
might as well write my own loads function

[upper orbit]

Well, I'll try to find another list of signatures

[night crag]

What did they say?

[inland kayak]

still talking to them

might be on to something

[night crag]

OK, Good luck!

[graceful mulch]

@night crag has leveled up! (2 ➜ 3)

[hasty vale]

no, this is so horrible it would be easier to just manually copy paste from wikipedia
who the hell makes a json-like file and then has double double quotes as a value

[upper orbit]

Is this better?
https://github.com/s0md3v/dump/blob/master/static/file-signatures.json

[inland kayak]

we're trying some new stuff that hasnt been done beforre

[hasty vale]

oh yeah much better
it's 4 years ago though, extremely unlikely but it may be outdated, and also it doesn't seem to have signatures with values that aren't in a row but'll be fine

[hasty vale]

ok i am too tired now to go through python regex right now or to make my own implementation. remind me tomorrow

[upper orbit]

Ok, have a good rest

[night galleon]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/chinese-researchers-claim-cracked-encryption-015930144.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAHwV0aeKESgFFAcFCEJVizPKqRuX0m4twH0Z-cy74hsu_quRRTPGq8aUjVrxAe8Q04VlHB7KgDClGZXLb7djSIK4B1oOYueEKWTjhcFQ7IacvZ1L2lVEylxzNZZGQhYIWYCtvt4UXDd4hE_07iRDuaONkDvtoxOjdub67RYj43mU

AES can be decrypted now

but with a quantum computing

bruh

[desert anchor]

we already discussed this here yesterday

but unfortunately, these are not technologies available to us...

[upper orbit]

Even this article says that this is not 100% true. Maybe they lied, maybe they did it but the experiment was not really clear. Need more researches, as usual

[night galleon]

why no one tell me

WE NEED TO START FUNDING

[desert anchor]

ehehehehe.... yea

[desert anchor]

Someone threw a link to the fact that IBM sells quantum dedicated servers... but even so they are too weak for our purposes

[elfin swallow]

not really the breaking can only be done on hashes that are very low in bits like 8 or 16
modern crypto uses like 128, 256

I swear Im not scitzo

[night galleon]

The whqt

No way

[night galleon]

[robust scaffold]

#1112401279680008242 message
and #1112401279680008242 message

[night galleon]

I believe that code is some what encrypted in AES 128 or 256

[desert anchor]

all of us... all of us...

[night galleon]

https://aws.amazon.com/braket/

Wot Abt this

[desert anchor]

In any case... need someone who knows how to work with quantum computers

[night galleon]

Stare

[elfin swallow]

XOR will, if the IV is random (enough) then it will

[robust scaffold]

yeah true

[elfin swallow]

i wanna se how much entropy in fibonacci

[robust scaffold]

yes

[elfin swallow]

I remember the Vsauce video on somehthing about theorem of randomness of digits in numbers and how elections could be checked

[formal birch]

me after reading how AES works :

[elfin swallow]

same
wild stuff
then you learn something more complex than ECB exists

https://tenor.com/view/hu-tao-hungry-genshin-impact-genshin-meme-genshin-impact-hu-tao-gif-24184466

[robust scaffold]

sha3 kind of easy compared to AES

[elfin swallow]

https://youtu.be/etx0k1nLn78 this

if you tweak the table permutations enough you can achieve higher entropy

even with simple stuff like fibonacci

[robust scaffold]

yeah

[fiery sedge]

I'm 69% sure the instructions should be followed using PEMDAS (imitating darkeew)

[elfin swallow]

explain please

[formal birch]

SHA or any asymmetric encryption are easier than symmetric i think

[fiery sedge]

I mean writing down the expression first and then following the order of operations

[rose sparrow]

One year later we cracked AES and sent shockwaves through the cryptography world, but we still can't decrypt the Numbers video

[elfin swallow]

how
no
really doubt it
its like a program, executes in order given
not really an equation

[night galleon]

Have u guys try to decode the "anyone watching" yet?

[fiery sedge]

True but just putting it out there as no one really suggested it I think

[hasty vale]

put these into folder together -> add or remove file extensions you want in list n -> you get files

making code more readable and adding hex translations tomorrow

replied to wrong message but it's too late to care

[elfin swallow]

so basically this is binwalk

[rose sparrow]

this is actually harder than cracking enigma, at least with enigma they could study the cipher machine

[inland kayak]

ok so what am i supposed to do?

[hasty vale]

no, it's too generous to call it binwalk. more like naive magic number trying

[inland kayak]

same thing?

[hasty vale]

if I get any hits with hex translations tomorrow I'll probably have to ask someone to make all possible permutations. until then if you want you can proceed with just iterating 20 trillions

[inland kayak]

oh did you already start it?

what should i do lmao?

im bored

i wanna write something

[elfin swallow]

bro
try to research into subsitution networks and how we can write them in python

[inland kayak]

i dont use python

[elfin swallow]

ok rust

[inland kayak]

C or Java

pick one

i'd probably pick java for more advanced stuff since i'm not well enough versed in C

[elfin swallow]

uhmmm US uni undergrad moment

[inland kayak]

nah i'm a teenager

100% self taught, coding since i was 8

[elfin swallow]

use python for fast prototyping and rust or go for perfomance

[inland kayak]

C for performance, Java for everything else

[elfin swallow]

well....
you do you....

[inland kayak]

python is awful for fast prototyping if you know any other language

because of the indentations

also, to each their own

[inland kayak]

this doesn't apply to everyone

i personally think rust and python are both miserable to write in

go is alright but i'd rather use ANYTHING else

[elfin swallow]

OOF

[inland kayak]

didn't know i wasnt allowed to have my own opinion

shit man, i guess ill leave the whole endeavor to you

[elfin swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/italy-old-man-soup-rain-old-man-eating-soup-gif-19570874

im trying.....

[inland kayak]

in the meantime, i'll go write something unrelated in a language i enjoy

[lavish totem]

but muhh f# and language and computation course

[spring widget]

hey

not to be too but

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1112779047315972186/hmmmm.gif

we did actually decode this right

and verify its nothing

i mean its almost definitely nothing

but i kinda do wanna know what it says

i think we already did but cant find it in the google drive

[inland kayak]

i gotchu

WAIT A SECOND

[spring widget]

nvm found it

[inland kayak]

oh

[spring widget]

ya we solved this already

[inland kayak]

is it just BS?

propaganda?

[spring widget]

"sorry mario but our princess is in another castle"

its just someoen doing a little trolling

[inland kayak]

yep

[spring widget]

carry on with your numbers

[inland kayak]

alright i need something to work on

damn

[kindred parrot]

my netwrokign is fixed

[fringe gulch]

Could there be a connection to the bible? With the book numeri

[astral panther]

66 books?

[earnest grove]

finally solved? The arg

[uncut hare]

yes solved it yesterday

[clever lintel]

Sorry, check back next month

[sacred ruin]

we were suposed to say that 2 days ago

[steel marsh]

Wait, what's the status of the cracking right now?

[hasty vale]

12 magic number hits, almost all of them 2 symbol magic numbers, what is the chance it's any of these.
has anyone even heard of these extensions before

[clever lintel]

i've heard of half of those. What'd you do to hit them?

[hasty vale]

hex translations

[upper orbit]

Can't this be a coincidence?

[hasty vale]

they most certainly are, clearly a file can't have 12 extensions at once

[clever lintel]

Could you elaborate a bit more on how you got there? I'm not sure I follow

wait

[clever lintel]

magic bytes are only at the front of the file afaik

[hasty vale]

yeah and these are very much at the front

[clever lintel]

So how'd you do it?

[upper orbit]

Well, I created some files with signatures and hex version of description. I haven't found anything working so far

[hasty vale]

you can "normalize" a string, so like the first unique char is "0", second unique is "1"
so this base64 into hex would start as 06F99273EBB935712304FDF3DA0CF9EC6DD3F29D2C736E54F0
normalized it would be 012334567883695a460b2c26cd0e237e1cc6243c4e56179b20
we go through every magic number and normalize it and compare it to the normalized string

also i think i found a bug in my code, give me a minute

[upper orbit]

But why did you normalize a hex string?

[graceful mulch]

@upper orbit has leveled up! (2 ➜ 3)

[clever lintel]

Hmm, I don't fully understand, but I like that you're thinking out the box!

[hasty vale]

it basically checks for a custom hex alphabet. like darkeew was checking for custom base64 alphabets

[heavy tangle]

Gm guys, any progress or news?

[clever lintel]

You get one guess, and if you get it right, you get another try

[clever lintel]

Oh i see. In that case wouldn't you end up hitting all the possible combinations of bytes, thus all magic bytes, or?

[hasty vale]

no, because the order of the normalized string doesn't change, only the values in it, that's the point of normalization

[clever lintel]

but the entire alphabet does change to every possible permutation, no?

[calm zealot]

no major progress at this time, people are throwing out random ideas but we still have no idea wtf we're doing

the novelty of the ARG seems to be wearing off since we're getting new people less frequently