Neuro ARG - Cracking the "Numbers" Video

[sacred ruin]

whats an hpc

[keen tartan]

did we saved that key

[sacred ruin]

hyper portable computr

[sacred ruin]

i think

[kindred parrot]

hich performace

[sacred ruin]

hich?

[kindred parrot]

high performance computing

[sacred ruin]

o

[kindred parrot]

dont get me started on spelling

[sacred ruin]

also i need help

i no multithreading

[spring widget]

good news

[sacred ruin]

ill make everything into function

[spring widget]

i added the interpretation where "add another line" means insert a -

[minor fiber]

already did 6 million possibilities

[sacred ruin]

you'll add it yourself

[spring widget]

new set of keys inbound

[sacred ruin]

how many

[sacred ruin]

[keen tartan]

[spring widget]

oh oh i gotta add the one where it flips individual numbers either side of the - and not the whole string

for backwards

[tepid rune]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-bryan-cranston-sad-despair-gif-25732605

[spring widget]

[kindred parrot]

i would prefer being able to use it on one of these

but others work (openMPI, Perl, java, spark, octave, comsol)

[sacred ruin]

bleh

ill just

do the

shake

[uncut hare]

write a malbolge program to do it

[sacred ruin]

shake myself to sleep

bye

[robust scaffold]

sorry to ask but, I'm new and saw your trying to find an AES key, but for what ?

[graceful mulch]

@robust scaffold has leveled up! (0 ➜ 1)

[spring widget]

welcome

:>

so the quick version is

during debut a QR code was shown linking to a yt channel

this yt channel has a video called "Numbers"

the description of the video contains some base64-appearing data which decodes to garbage

and the lyrics describe a series of numerical manipulations very vaguely

its possible the description is encrypted

[sacred ruin]

shiro how python can you be

[spring widget]

and we have reason to believe if it uses a block cipher, said cipher has block size 128 bits

so we're trying to find a key from the lyrics

[keen tartan]

Link the entire message and pin it

[robust scaffold]

thank ! (and new to the arg not the server !)

[spring widget]

which entire message?

[sacred ruin]

shiro

[spring widget]

hi darkeew

[keen tartan]

welcome
:>
so the quick version is
during debut a QR code was shown linking to a yt channel
this yt channel has a video called "Numbers"
the description of the video contains some base64-appearing data which decodes to garbage
and the lyrics describe a series of numerical manipulations very vaguely
its possible the description is encrypted
and we have reason to believe if it uses a block cipher, said cipher has block size 128 bits
so we're trying to find a key from the lyrics
By Shiro

[sacred ruin]

wjats your knowledhe o python

[spring widget]

i know enough python to get by

why?

[sacred ruin]

can you start what cat asked

[kindred parrot]

use CUDA lol

[sacred ruin]

cuda deez

[spring widget]

CUDA

never again

touched cuda once and wanted to leave this earth

[sacred ruin]

im traumatized

[spring widget]

mortal beings were not meant to write cuda by hand

decades of compilers and shaders are still made by humans

why

[sacred ruin]

last time i touched torch i died

multithreading + cuda

and using ram

and disk

[spring widget]

anyway heres more

[tepid rune]

I have a weird feeling that "numbers" is needed to solve "study"

[sacred ruin]

and fan's RMP

RPM

and rgb levels

use the power supply as well

[keen tartan]

welp the number video did get post first

[sacred ruin]

thing is

[spring widget]

they're posted same day

[sacred ruin]

nothing much to solve in study

we already solved one

[spring widget]

they're definitely trying to solve... something

[tepid rune]

They looked at every single frame

That looked relevent

So they probably gave up

[sacred ruin]

alr gn

@kindred parrot @spring widget let me know if one of you gets impacient and does the program

[tepid rune]

But maybe you need to combine the result from Study and the decrypted description of "numbers"

What ever it ends up being

To get to the next puzzle

[spring widget]

gn darkeew

good work today

[pallid silo]

what is the deal with the golden ratio in the video? subtle hint at perfection?

[kindred parrot]

we tried some things

[pallid silo]

i wonder if the video end at 1:19 to hint the 19 since its a empty frame

[rose sparrow]

Likely a reference to the Fibonacci sequence, more numbers

[pallid silo]

shouldn't be ABC = 543?

[spring widget]

good question who knows

what does ABC = 543 even mean

[pallid silo]

lyrics on the study

[spring widget]

i know

but like

where would we use this info

[pallid silo]

[spring widget]

thats the issue

[tepid rune]

You know what… I am going to troll you… you should look at the song ABCDEFU

[keen tartan]

you know what
Let list out what can all these clues lead us to

1. Website made by Vedal (likely ending in .XYZ like his website)
2. Youtube video link
3. Message

[spring widget]

discord server invite?

[keen tartan]

4. Activation code to be read by Neuro Sama herself?

[tepid rune]

Nah

[spring widget]

unlikely i think: #1112082183235047506 message

[shrewd trench]

5: vedal thigh high pics

[solid basalt]

I know, we should not brute force puzzles separately, we need to brute force the whole solution
step 1 - make Vedal AI
step 2 - ask what he will put as a solution of ARG
step 3 - profit

[keen tartan]

Well I was thinking more of like
|Reading out a phrase
|Reading out a youtube link

[shrewd trench]

I've honestly tried shoving some of the base64 stuff at the end of vedal.xyz/ but got nothing

[robust scaffold]

I'm probably crazy but the description "base 64 decoded" as bytes have a len of 1040 bytes and the lyric (that I have) is of len 531 (close to 520)
maybe the description is on 2 part of 520 bytes encoded by the same key ?

did you try something similar ? if no I can do it myself to avoid wasting your time

[spring widget]

?

i dont think i understand ^^;

i feel its a bit of a stretch to round 531 to 520

[robust scaffold]

yeah

[spring widget]

but its a possibility i suppose

...

i havent wanted to consider it but

what if multiply means to add copies of the text

e.g. "1" x 5 = "11111"

[robust scaffold]

js copy

[spring widget]

adding another interpretation to the code

[keen tartan]

huh never tried that

[minor fiber]

im waiting on my multithread no result so far

[spring widget]

nor did i because i thought it'd result in things that are oversized

...this is getting excessive

[minor fiber]

if you want new line could be \n or 10

[kindred parrot]

discount code for merch

[spring widget]

wait i forgot the other reverse

[keen tartan]

imagine kek

[spring widget]

[minor fiber]

also rep_2_3 what happens when there is multiple 2s ?

[spring widget]

\n makes the lines after really funky

[spring widget]

currently replaces them all

may as well try everything

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ebon marten]

Why are you javaing

[spring widget]

java loves me and i love it back

[minor fiber]

replacing them all should be find

did you try Kotlin is modern Java would recommend

[spring widget]

i will not attend my javaholics anonymous meeting

you cant make me

[minor fiber]

im doing java too dw

[ebon marten]

JVM bad

What in the

Oh interesting

[robust scaffold]

gave me garbage data

[spring widget]

been wondering a bit how the AES in java works

[minor fiber]

if there even one corrupted char in the goal this is useless lol

[spring widget]

because AES as a block cipher can only parse 128 bits of data at a time

thats why you need a mode of operation on top of it

the desc of Numbers is 1040 bytes which is well over that 16 byte block size

[minor fiber]

i dunno i just yoinked the code on the website https://aesencryption.net/

[spring widget]

💀

we need more info

gotta be something

[uncut hare]

too many numbers

[vernal storm]

Do we have info on who john lemon is?

[minor fiber]

same

[ebon marten]

Is this being used to decode the description

[minor fiber]

yes

we are trying to brute force the desc

just a couple hundred billions possibilities it's fine

[main lagoon]

Are you really trying to brute force it?

[minor fiber]

i mean doesn't cost anything to try

[main lagoon]

Well, it does cost time

Lots and lots of time

[minor fiber]

wdym i just run it in the background

[main lagoon]

Right... well, I guess if it's just a background process and we're not relying on that, then it's all good

[minor fiber]

[wraith harbor]

ngl I think its 572953

I don't hear the 4

[minor fiber]

i listen to the song on loop for hours and the more it goes the more i hear different numbers sadly

i really think we have at least one wrong lyric but i don't think vedal will give us the official lyrics so

[wraith harbor]

I've corrected a few lyrics over on study

so I dont doubt it

[wraith harbor]

ok now I hear the 4 more than the 5

[minor fiber]

i have a hard time hearing the 9 for example

at one point i even hear 79 instead of 7 2 9

[wraith harbor]

yeah I heard that too

[keen tartan]

I think
we all need to take a break

[wraith harbor]

its because its separated into se-ven two nine

[minor fiber]

im on break currently

[wraith harbor]

these are my rough labels

you can see how long the seven syllable is

[minor fiber]

"finding all these numbers" really feel like a snarky comment now

[wraith harbor]

what the hell does Matching all the letters mean

[robust scaffold]

trying to do what shiro asked
but I'm still kind of new, what "abcdefg" mean if any consensus ?

[keen tartan]

good fucking question

[wraith harbor]

and I feel like 572943 is a red herring because there is no operator associated with it

[minor fiber]

the consensus is that matching all the letters is matching 572943 or any other variation we might hear in our schizo frenzie to abcedfg

[graceful mulch]

@minor fiber has leveled up! (3 ➜ 4)

[wraith harbor]

wait

guys

[robust scaffold]

yeah ?

[wraith harbor]

Matching all the letters 572943

[minor fiber]

yes

[wraith harbor]

I think its one phrase

[minor fiber]

theory is that "yeah" mark the end of instructions

[wraith harbor]

lmao

[minor fiber]

but also each line is just big pause, since she pause before 572943 just new line it

[wraith harbor]

pause doko?

I dont see a pause

[minor fiber]

i feel like each line might have a certain number of syllable ? since she says 2 4 instead of 24 maybe because 24 would be too long to say

[pale fossil]

does the abcdfg mean something in particular?

[minor fiber]

maybe refers to "matching all the letters"

[scenic karma]

Match the array of letters from a-g maybe ?

[minor fiber]

hell yea the ARG AI

[lavish totem]

lmao it does nothing

[minor fiber]

also we are not sure about the 572943

[pale fossil]

the letters looks like a parenthesis

like a function

or maybe im just SCHIZO

[minor fiber]

nah make sense

[wraith harbor]

I think you're schizo

[lavish totem]

so general consensus is were trying to find the byte array to map to abcdefg?

someones gonna have to reverse engineer base64

[wraith harbor]

base64 is easy?

[minor fiber]

there is an entire section on the doc with some idea on the matched letters

[lavish totem]

yes but write a encoder/decoder

for trial and error

with bit shift involved

[wraith harbor]

sounds easy?

[heavy nexus]

What do you need decoded into bytes?

[median sedge]

how's the arg going guys?

[minor fiber]

eeeehh

it's going

[median sedge]

any yall breaking through the base64 stuff?

[spring widget]

assumed it was just there to rhyme

[minor fiber]

1h into brute force no result so far (with a pretty janky brute force ver low chance of being correct)

[spring widget]

no

we dont knwo what the base64 is meant to be is the issue

we're fairly certain its encrypted for a few reasons:

1. there are no magic numbers in the resulting binary

[median sedge]

yeah yall still missing some numbers?

[minor fiber]

i was also wondering if it was a jwt but don't seem to match

[spring widget]

2. the size of the resulting binary is 1040 bytes = 1024 + 16, a pretty reasonable size for something encrypted

running theory is that the lyrics will provide a key which would likely be 16 bytes according to that binary size

that'd fit 128 bit AES or any other 128 bit block cipher

[median sedge]

yep that's some words i know 🙂

[spring widget]

(an analysis was done on the base64 which found the proportion of zeroes to ones to be near 50/50, indicative of the randomness property sought by modern block ciphers as opposed to something classical like ROT or repeat key xor, hence why we think it's a block cipher)

so we're trying to deduce a 16 byte key from the lyric instructions

but no luck so far

[wraith harbor]

[median sedge]

same

[spring widget]

its ok

numbers team has this (maybe)

you can go back to study and listen to your bangers

we'll keep looping our lyrics

[minor fiber]

the best approach would be to listen to the song and note each numbers then listen again and if you hear another number note it too then try the instruction with the list of numbers

[wraith harbor]

[keen tartan]

I restarted everything since I didn't put anything I did on record

Here we go again

[minor fiber]

it's fine i believe in my little thread workers im sure one of them will be lucky and find it

[robust scaffold]

i can't send message about that discord block me

but I found this 1769393939393936939393939393693939393939369393939393936939393939393693939393939369393939393936939393939393693939393939324
(also sorry for taking time I was busy)

also, most probably Schizo again but "17 is first yeah" may be about instructions
like, the bottom is the start and we go up from it

[keen tartan]

Ladan and I tried that

but go and try it

you might do something different than us

[robust scaffold]

oh, ok

[keen tartan]

also we completely reverse everything so not only did we start at the bottom, we did the opposite of what the instruction said

maybe start at the bottom but follow the insturctions?

[robust scaffold]

oh

why not

in this case "Flip the numbers backwards" then "6" may mean flip the 6 (aka 9) ?

[keen tartan]

I be real

We don't know

that why its taking so long

[robust scaffold]

yeah

[robust scaffold]

but I be honest. probably not that like it's a lot to accept

gone to crazy by that and here from a lot less time than you

[keen tartan]

Sorry I think I've gone a little bit insane cause I failed to process what you said

I should probably goto bed instead cause I still got work tmr

[minor fiber]

label has not been declared.

[robust scaffold]

nan. I'm not native english, and I also should go to sleep so I probably speak like if I'm drunk

and yeah go to sleep if you have to work tmr: work is more worth than praying to find something I think

[keen tartan]

understandable
I am also not a native english speaker
Gn

[robust scaffold]

Good night !

[wraith harbor]

flip could mean rearrange or it could be flip the value

as in 3 -> 7, 9 -> 1

(x + 5) % 10

[spring widget]

i had a theory for a while that this was actually a sequence of multiple values

i.e. 572943 is actually 5, 7, 2, 9, 4, 3

and you apply all following operations to the whole sequence

add a value just means put another element at the end of the list

multiply means multiply each element

but then the meaning of "flip the numbers backwards" gains like a billion possibilities:

• reverse the order of the list
• swap the digits in each individual item in the list
• both?

[lavish totem]

this is abcdefg as a 24 bit number 6750208

^i mean for each 3 letters

abc = 6382179
def = 6579558
g = 6750208

[minor fiber]

at one point she says "How long will I keep this up?" no way we have to see how long is left in the video

(37-38 sec)

[kindred parrot]

i do too

again, if it was 5672943 it would make more sense because then the non-match would be the 9 to 1... but idk

if vedal gave official lyrics this would be so much easier

[lavish totem]

wheres the study discussion?

[wraith harbor]

#1112082183235047506

[lavish totem]

what if

were doing this for no reason

[wraith harbor]

we are

[kindred parrot]

then why did vedal say neuro wouldn't give hints

[pale fossil]

Surely

[lavish totem]

[shrewd trench]

neuro isn't ready for lore yet

[minor fiber]

plot twist there was lore all along

[wraith harbor]

what if the real lore was the friends we made along the way

[lavish totem]

true

thing is the 17 line

cant help but wonder why only one 2 digit number was mentioned

or was it for the sake of syllables

[night galleon]

found something

[wraith harbor]

https://www.figma.com/file/SbnGiREzBTdLX2GsdR9XWg/Numbers-Key-Tree?type=whiteboard&node-id=0-1

[kindred parrot]

i also thought j

[wraith harbor]

[spring widget]

🤝

[minor fiber]

did we figure out the padding for the block ?

im using "AES/ECB/PKCS5Padding" right now but no result so far

[kindred parrot]

Add another 9 yeah -> Add another line

[spring widget]

padding isnt really something we need to figure out

for the most part the pkcs standards are pretty generic

to the point i actually dont know the difference between them

[kindred parrot]

its not padding

did you see my comment

[wraith harbor]

someone said something about 192 bit earlier

[spring widget]

idk why people were saying 192

[lavish totem]

i cant copy ad paste

[heady jetty]

is the golden ratio important?

[paper grail]

what does it mean what does it mean what does it mean what does it mean what does it mean what does it mean what does it mean what does it mean what does it mean what does it mean what does it mean what does it

[spring widget]

1040 byte digest is indicative of 128 bit

[heady jetty]

it appeared in the video

[spring widget]

1040 = (65 blocks) x (16 byte block size)

[kindred parrot]

again, the "add a line" could very well be - or 1, or ignored - and if 1, add or concat?

[wraith harbor]

[lavish totem]

so you think its aes?

[minor fiber]

i found this bunch of friends in the javadoc

[graceful mulch]

You have unlocked new role

[kindred parrot]

You have unlocked new role

[uncut hare]

poor golden ratio being ignored

[night galleon]

1.61803

[spring widget]

who knows

could be DES

AES is the most common by far though

[uncut hare]

maybe its just telling us to do the instructions from that point on recursively or something crazy

[spring widget]

its a good enough place to start

and definitely not the weakest of our assumptions in the chain

[uncut hare]

and you break when it starts with 17

[wraith harbor]

what about the IV though? do you just plan to bruteforce it?

[spring widget]

depends on the mode

ECB needs no IV

[heady jetty]

ooh thats interesting

[spring widget]

but i did have some thoughts for that

[kindred parrot]

plane on none

[spring widget]

65 blocks is pretty suspicious

it might be 64 blocks ciphertext + 1 block IV

[minor fiber]

wasn't it CBC with IV ?

[spring widget]

we dont know the mode of operation

could be CBC, could be ECB

could be CTR for all we know

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[kindred parrot]

we don't even know if it is aes ffs

[wraith harbor]

because ECB/NoPadding with key: DQ5zl4ighWwiag7y+cWFQg== (as base64) leads to:

in hex because theres a lot of garbage characters

[lavish totem]

so youre saying its made to look like base64 but it isnt?

[wraith harbor]

hold on

[kindred parrot]

anyway this seems nearlly identical to what i was doing earlier, but as a flowchart

[wraith harbor]

I switched the key to UTF8

[spring widget]

the desc is almost certainly base64

but the data that is encoded in base64 isnt plaintext

[wraith harbor]

and the website I'm using suggested that its a compressed file?

[spring widget]

and its not binary from an executable or any other common file type (no magic number)

[spring widget]

👀

[kindred parrot]

what website? its a rar?

[spring widget]

try decompressing it

[wraith harbor]

Raw Inflate

[spring widget]

copy the data into a file

change file extension to .zip or osmething

and try decompress

[kindred parrot]

do .rar i swear

[spring widget]

try them all

just make many copies

[lavish totem]

have we decided whether its ascii or utf8 or whatnot or does that not matter for now?

[kindred parrot]

lol

[spring widget]

.rar .zip .7z

.tar.gz?

[spring widget]

we have no idea

assuming ascii

[kindred parrot]

heres the raw description to make it easier to find:

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

[spring widget]

ascii is one char per byte which is the nice case

[wraith harbor]

idk man

[spring widget]

so im just praygeing on ascii

[wraith harbor]

doesnt seem to produce anything

[lavish totem]

bedge

[wraith harbor]

it suggests using raw inflate

which (still) produces garbage

[spring widget]

@wraith harbor post cyberchef here ill pin

[wraith harbor]

https://gchq.github.io/CyberChef

[minor fiber]

https://www.malbolge.doleczek.pl/

[wraith harbor]

cyberchef is a lot more useful than I thought at first

[minor fiber]

other clue was found in malboge

[kindred parrot]

shiro can you pin this

[spring widget]

oh sure

[kindred parrot]

thx

[spring widget]

i thought it was pinned already

[heavy nexus]

We still don't know what that clue means.

[spring widget]

oops

[kindred parrot]

oh this website i have used before is better than th eone i am usign rn

[wraith harbor]

92 bytes, not the right length to be a cypher key

[kindred parrot]

what if we used the base64 from #1112082183235047506

[wraith harbor]

.

[spring widget]

you're entering the key correctly right

[wraith harbor]

probably

you an see the screenshot

[spring widget]

no i dont mean

transcribing it correctly

[wraith harbor]

?

[spring widget]

i mean the tool is expecting a base64 input right

[lavish totem]

its from the doc right?

[graceful mulch]

@lavish totem has leveled up! (6 ➜ 7)

[wraith harbor]

I am entering the key as UTF8 atm

because its 192 bits long

[spring widget]

192 bits

what

i thought u said the key was 128 bits

[wraith harbor]

oh is it

am I

[spring widget]

idk is it

[wraith harbor]

point being DQ5zl4ighWwiag7y+cWFQg== works in both base64 and UTF8

[spring widget]

4 base64 = 3 bytes

[rose sparrow]

I also tried it as an XOR cipher, didn't work either

[spring widget]

yeah

xor cipher was worth a shot but

[wraith harbor]

the length suggests its encrypted, not just an XOR cipher

unless its XOR -> encrypted?

[spring widget]

not just this

someone earlier checked it for a distribution of zeroes and ones

and its roughly 50/50

[wraith harbor]

right

that too

[spring widget]

that's indicative of random appearance property that block ciphers go for

xor would prob lean toward one or the other

because it's too consistent

[kindred parrot]

would vedal please confirm that we do in fact have everything we need and we are just stupid (ie, in a video it says to use aes or smg)

[wraith harbor]

he said he would not

[kindred parrot]

when

[spring widget]

hes probably not gonna give us any hints

[uncut hare]

i feel like you are stuck running in circles around the encryption thing

[spring widget]

xd we are definitely short on information

theres lots of possibilities and we cant do anything except try all of them

[uncut hare]

there are so many details in the video not being considered because they arent simple operations

[spring widget]

unless more information arises from somewhere there's just no way for us to confirm or eliminate any possibilities

[spring widget]

the issue is that we need a smaller space of things to check, not a larger one

there's already too much on the table to try and consider

[wraith harbor]

wait

[spring widget]

we need more reliable information so we can cross possiblities out

before we try to work more intricacies in

[wraith harbor]

what keys have we tried so far?

[kindred parrot]

i just want to know if there actually exists some something that says what the base64 is encoded using, or if we have to just try everything..

[kindred parrot]

yes

[spring widget]

very few

i was sending numerical keys i generated earlier

[minor fiber]

you know? why not have a doc with all keys we try so we can check if a key was already tested

[spring widget]

you underestimate how many there are

[minor fiber]

at least we won't used 100 times the same one

[wraith harbor]

the key might be the number operation detailed in the video, have we tried that yet?

[kindred parrot]

my problem is that we don't even know its AES

[shrewd trench]

The only sort of "something" I can gather is the usage of Malbolge. It's possible that the description of Numbers is an encoded form of Malbolge, but no one can say for sure what it's supposed to be.

[minor fiber]

thats what an other clue was iirc

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KSgJhs79HrMFz2AJnNa6tpMN_iU7JhiycBpMaIDKroY/edit

[kindred parrot]

i mean, what if its a url parameter for somee website

[spring widget]

we gotta try whats most likely

[lavish totem]

there arent any special characters here

[spring widget]

could be that we have to go to 438756873478hgt8hgw5gbe849h5.com and submit this to some random form

[lavish totem]

in the numbers vid

[spring widget]

but the odds of that are next to none

because why would vedal make us

[uncut hare]

numbers.zip

[spring widget]

we cant consider everything, best we can do is reduce our space of possibilities and then try those all starting with the most likely

every piece of information we deduce or locate removes some things it could be

[kindred parrot]

i guess but i mean i just feel like there are too many unknowns for it

[spring widget]

from there, its just a grind

it sure does

but its not meant to be solved in under a week

just gotta let other ppl look at it and cook

and document our work as we go

[kindred parrot]

to many unknowns for us not to be missing something important

[spring widget]

if everyone does a bit of the puzzle, we'll have all the pieces eventually

[spring widget]

i can send all of my generated keys

[wraith harbor]

how did you generate the keys?

[spring widget]

i considered most of the possible interpretations we've come up with for each relevant-seeming line of the lyrics

and then ran through every combination of said interpretations

each one resulting in a final string of some kind

[spring widget]

then (still assuming its 128 bit key) filter to those that are 16 bytes long

heres the actual list of "interpretations" for each lyric

[night galleon]

I still think the number will lead to the "key"

Or something

[lavish totem]

i think "add a line" is one of the bigger clues

[night galleon]

Same

Adding a line?

[lavish totem]

hopefully something to do with formatting

[night galleon]

Maybe a fraction?

[kindred parrot]

same, i think its a 1...

[spring widget]

from the possible meanings of the lyrics that ive coded in thus far

[kindred parrot]

i am so tired because half of what people say here is what was said 10 hours ago

[spring widget]

those are all possible 16 byte keys

[spring widget]

yeah

its because we dont have answers to the questions from 10 hours ago

just running in circles

[minor fiber]

what if the entire lyrics are the key

[shrewd trench]

Copy and paste

[lavish totem]

how come they all have the same length>

padded?

[spring widget]

^

[lavish totem]

ah

[spring widget]

assuming the resulting number is entered as a string

which is admittedly a lofty assumption

also assuming encoding is either UTF8 or ASCII

its not an exhaustive list by far

and many of those are unlikely to be the key

but we cant leave any stones unturned

if there are any more lyrics interpretations that work with the existing framework ill include them as i see them

[lavish totem]

so far the only fairly concrete piece of info we have rn is that the desc is base64

[spring widget]

yeah

its almost certainly base64 encoded binary data of some kind

[kindred parrot]

gn

[lavish totem]

prob too small to be audio right?

[spring widget]

most common file types have magic numbers at the beginning denoting their type so the OS can easily process them

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_file_signatures

the leading bytes of the decoded base64 match nothing known

[white vigil]

wait so did we agree its 572943

cuzi keep hearing 53

[spring widget]

so its unlikely to be actual usable data in its current state

[minor fiber]

we try them all just keep listening to the song hundreds of time and each time you hear something different try with it

[night galleon]

to this day i have been listening to the same music for more than 50 times

[uncut hare]

i have been listening for hours and its been the same numbers i heard the first time

[minor fiber]

lucky

[heady jetty]

music is a bop tbh

when is it on spotify

[shrewd trench]

when we solve

[heady jetty]

damn

we better solve

[uncut hare]

cant be that hard

[night galleon]

I don't want to be schizo anymore

[uncut hare]

i wish i could think, maybe i would be able to figure out how the spiral fits in this

[white vigil]

i was thinking maybe the digits of the golden ratio is a key to decode

[shrewd trench]

we are all thrown into the engineering math mindset

[white vigil]

didnt work

[night galleon]

Golden Ratio is the most visible clue so

[white vigil]

i only tried it with aes tho

[night galleon]

Do u have key?

It might be AES

[uncut hare]

idk this thread has been stuck withthe brute force mindset for a while

[night galleon]

It won't work with random generated key

[white vigil]

i used the digits of golden ratio as key

tried the first 16, 24, and 32

[night galleon]

It blinked every 4 seconds

[uncut hare]

is it important that its only in that part of the video

[night galleon]

Don't forget the code in the description

[uncut hare]

i have been trying to do some math with it and the numbers from that part but it all looks random

[night galleon]

The code itself not a Base 64

Didn't work with any cipher

Unsure with key one

[shrewd trench]

The description code is so big and meaty and seems important but it's surprisingly hard to crack based on what I've seen

I want to say that we need to run it through some sort of alphabetical cipher and then run it through a base64 translator, but that's my pure guesswork talking and I've tried various vigenere keywords and a handful (not much) caesar

[night galleon]

So I think it must be a higher chance to decode with multiple cipher or finding the key by using lyrics and ratio stuff

Bruh discord

[night galleon]

Caeser is the easiest cipher

[uncut hare]

ratio the lyrics

[night galleon]

so it ofc won't work

there must be a higher chance to be an Vigenere cipher too

ngl vigenere is hard to crack

because it using a series of different Caesar ciphers based on the letters of a particular keyword.

[lavish totem]

like shifting the index?

[shrewd trench]

Just shifting the letters

[lavish totem]

i have made a base64 decoder in python thats modular for this purpose

as in the indexes of the base64chars could be rotated

but shiro said it looks like a file encrypted with a block cypher so the base64 cipher itself could already be valid

[night galleon]

https://www.ssh.com/academy/ssh/passphrase-generator

Example of RSA Keyphrase

[uncut hare]

rsa

[night galleon]

i dunno it also might be that

tried to decrypt but

[spring widget]

trying them all

this one is baking for a long time 👀

[night galleon]

[vernal storm]

T-T

[shrewd trench]

Cooking

[night galleon]

imagine getting a wrong answer

[shrewd trench]

the description is actually just a neuro ramble with substitutions of random characters
source: trust me

[wraith harbor]

how are you working with ECB

when I use ECB it fails

gotta use ECB/NoPadding

[night galleon]

same

[spring widget]

haha among us

[night galleon]

[spring widget]

idk u can see the recipe right there

[night galleon]

weird answer

[vernal storm]

sus

[night galleon]

imma take a nap

[wraith harbor]

surely these are both garbage right

incase it isnt: 105

[spring widget]

got nothing

[wraith harbor]

based on these results, I think it was garbage

[spring widget]

i tried every single key

that my program generated

no luck

[wraith harbor]

Im not using AES

[spring widget]

👀

des?

[wraith harbor]

key too long for regular des

[wraith harbor]

it is not triple DES raw

and I am not gonna try Hex because it takes like 10x longer to bake

my recipe

[sacred ruin]

yo

im gonna python today

generate all number possible between 17xxxxxxxxxxxx24

@kindred parrot you made me have to learn multithreading

shame on you

[amber cargo]

a trillion numbers, literally. Thats gonna take a while. Wouldnt it be easier to eliminate large chunks first? Like, if we take every single possible value and interpretation, and take the largest and smallest value as the range, it should atleast ease the workload on the cpu and make it faster?

[sacred ruin]

no im generating a trillion numbers

it wont be hard

dw

[tiny garden]

wait do we know it ends in 24 now

[sacred ruin]

we always knew

[tiny garden]

bruh

[wraith harbor]

a good portion of shiro's generated keys dont end in 24

[sacred ruin]

so you want me to generate all numbers?

[wraith harbor]

take the gamble that it ends in 24

dont wanna give you so many more numbers to generate

[tiny garden]

I don't even know what we're looking for in a decrypted thing though

[wraith harbor]

probably plain text

[amber cargo]

aight
Good luck!

[deft sonnet]

This may be a stupid question, but how do we know that we have to concatenate the numbers, rather than literally adding them to whatever value we have?

[peak kettle]

edit: ignore me, didn't realize how long description was

[wraith harbor]

we dont necessarily

but I think we're taking the gamble because of key minimum lengths

[tiny garden]

well I fixed my code and now it is horrificly slow

nevermind it justed stopped printing

[sacred ruin]

we're trying to generate an all number 128 bit AES encryption key

[tiny garden]

yeah I noticed

it isn't exactly an easy task, especially in python

[sacred ruin]

it is

you just dont python enough

smh

[tiny garden]

are you just making the numbers or actually aesing them

[sacred ruin]

both

:)

havent begun the program

but wont finish it soon either

since ill allow for everyone to use it and generate

using cuda.

[lavish totem]

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-reece-simpson-kayode-ewumi-roll-safe-meme-gif-17305682

theres nothing to program if you dont start

[lavish totem]

what lib

[sacred ruin]

numba

pytorch is wayy to much for this

[tiny garden]

fuck I love multithreaded panics that aren't readable

[lavish totem]

id say pytorch is the wrong library to use

unless nccl or whatever but who has more than 1 gpu

[sacred ruin]

yeah

i choose numba

looks easier & not to complex

plus can do what i wanr

which is 100% your gpu

you're all gonna be slave to the numbers

no problem if you dont have a nvidia gpu

ill 100% your cpu

fuck it ill 100% both

[wraith harbor]

I think I found a bug in CyberChef that's extremely inconvenient

[lavish totem]

cant 100% my gpu if its already 100%

[wraith harbor]

trying to use forking and registers to automate everything but I specifically can't use register values as decrypt keys

[sacred ruin]

ouch

[wraith harbor]

so close to greatness

[tiny garden]

oh awesome I could use some avx2 to check for strings

[tiny garden]

ok I currently have an impl of ~160m numbers per 25 seconds

[amber cargo]

itll just take...

2604 hours

minutes*

not hours

43.4 hours

so like a day and 20 hours

[tiny garden]

oh wait it's way faster without flamegraphs

[ornate minnow]

Has anyone tried calculating the number?

From the lyrics

[tiny garden]

ok I'm not gonna keep that running but it could probably do it in a few hours if I just let it be

[tiny garden]

yeah, pretty sure they haven't worked yet though

[ornate minnow]

From what I see it's several lines of numbers and letters

[tiny garden]

god I could 100% make this code faster if I stopped being lazy and actually did multithreading correctly

[ornate minnow]

Lol

[tiny garden]

I'm currently only using 10 threads out of an available 16 because 10 is a nicer number

[ornate minnow]

First time joining an arg, might be bad at it so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wraith harbor]

the name of the game is improvised tools

[ornate minnow]

lo

Anyway, lemme try to see if the lyrics is related or not

[wraith harbor]

I hope you have a strong grasp on logic

[ornate minnow]

Normally I do for other args but I don't understand this one just yet

[wraith harbor]

you could also try deciphering the number from tbe lyrics, perhaps you'll get yet another different output

[ornate minnow]

Can I paste the lyrics here? or am I gonna get warned for flooding

Here's 3 thing I find that might be relevant, the golden ratio near the end of the video, the lyrics itself and the most obvious is the description

[copper harness]

pasting the lyrics should be fine

[eager garden]

btw, I suddenly had a magical idea.

[amber cargo]

you can paste a whole wall of text even

[copper harness]

but the problem is that you don't have embed perms :/ (yet)

[eager garden]

If we put the pattern of fib on the ciphertext

and then read it according to

Is it possible to get useful information?

[ornate minnow]

Eh I just joined for the arg

[harsh folio]

check google doc in pins in main thread at first if you didn't before

[ornate minnow]

I checked it, might need a re-read tho

[sacred ruin]

ill start making the script now

if anyone is interested imma stream it

[minor fiber]

do you know which decryption you gonna use ?

[sacred ruin]

none yet

[indigo fog]

found a bunch of blurry text at 31:10 in the study video. not sure if its important

[tiny garden]

do you have a screenshot it?
also might be better suited to the other arg thread

[minor fiber]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KSgJhs79HrMFz2AJnNa6tpMN_iU7JhiycBpMaIDKroY/edit

31:10 solved

[ornate minnow]

at the 0:34 mark I hear 572953, idk if I'm mishearing or if AI voice is just too confusing

[minor fiber]

if you hear different number it's still interesting to keep them and try with them since we tried a lot with the currenct lyrics without result

[ornate minnow]

I literally don't hear 4 anywhere

I hear 5

[minor fiber]

and me i can't hear the 9 x) each people hear different stuff yup

[ornate minnow]

I can def hear the nine

Slowed and unslowed

[copper harness]

i hear 4 :/

[ornate minnow]

Try it anyways lol

The lyrics isn't official

[minor fiber]

always good to try

[ornate minnow]

The whole number is just too fast to get a proper number

[indigo fog]

i also hear 5

[ornate minnow]

Like yeah, I get the point of it being fast but oh boy, it's hard to know

the 572 is very obvious when I listen

but the 3 last number is confusing

[minor fiber]

for example the 5 7 2 9 could be heard as 5 79

[ornate minnow]

I hear 5 7 2 9 5 3

But sometimes I hear 5 7 2 4 5 3

also the lyric "Add another line yeah"

I think it's 2 lines of numbers

instead of 1

[minor fiber]

meaning ?

[ornate minnow]

Start with number 2 yeah
Matching all the letters
572953
Add another 9 yeah
Add another line yeah

Start with number 2, match it with b the second letter of the alphabet, the whole sequence, either add 9 at the end or plus 9

then start a whole new number line

is from what I'm getting

[minor fiber]

one line of numbers one line of letters ?

[ornate minnow]

No just a new line

like

vkagdbfhsajkd
sagfdsgfsdg

[minor fiber]

yea but what do we do with it after

Add another line yeah - > Multiply by 5 yeah

[ornate minnow]

The line above but multiply it by 5

the b becomes the 10th letter of the alphabet j

[lavish totem]

how

what if theres a youtube link somewhere in the cypher

like we need to find a 10 char string somewhere in the desc

[ornate minnow]

Or maybe the whole "Matching all the letters" is just match all the numbers with the letters

@minor fiber What do you think

Get the numbers first then match each numbers with letters

[minor fiber]

maybe

[vague knoll]

Sup numbers crew. Any new progress or theories on what to do?

[ornate minnow]

Trying to understand the lyrics

[sacred ruin]

we're going for bruteforce

[vague knoll]

Oh boy

[ornate minnow]

They're brute forcing, I'm trying to understand the lyrics

[vague knoll]

Good to try both avenues haha

Numbers has its own doc right?

[sacred ruin]

yep

[tepid rune]

Yes

[ornate minnow]

Pretty sure

[lavish totem]

found vedal

[vague knoll]

[random drift]

[ornate minnow]

Hard to understand

[pulsar maple]

[lavish totem]

i think everythings on the doc

except the brute force part

[vague knoll]

Someone should probably pin the doc if it hasn’t been done already

[random drift]

it's in the drive

[vague knoll]

Ah sweet

[minor fiber]

the drive

[eager garden]

check another channel

Inspiration I found in another arg

[ornate minnow]

Would it be funny if the whole thing lead to a rick roll

[vague knoll]

Yeah.. HAHAHA… that would be

…so funny

[ornate minnow]

Vedal will be villain number 1

That happened before, I'll unironically cry if it happens again

[vague knoll]

I would have to leave forevermore.

Followed through the early osu days. Watches literally every stream, even at 3 am. Gets rick rolled once, fucking leaves

[random drift]

If it's a good ARG it will gain more traction and interest. If it ends up being a waste of time, that's bad reputation

[vague knoll]

True

[random drift]

it's in Vedal's best interest to be legit

[ornate minnow]

But judging by the second video, might be just be Neuro's backstory

[random drift]

but knowing we could be on a goose chase

[vague knoll]

Surely will drop a new lead eventually if everyone gets hard stuck for too long

[ornate minnow]

The stream and the arg has so many connections

Like Neuro's eyes changing when asked if she wants to be an engineer

And the second video has a whole song about being an engineer

[vague knoll]

That was the day after the debut

[ornate minnow]

Oh right

I don't watch the whole vods, only clips

[vague knoll]

I remember because it was me that asked

[ornate minnow]

I don't have time

[vague knoll]

Yeah fair enough

[random drift]

we too dum for this ARG it would be neat if we could find a lead

[ornate minnow]

praise

[minor fiber]

nah no need for lead but need for official lyrics for sure

[ornate minnow]

Definitely the official lyric is needed

[vague knoll]

Yes! Please add official captions to numbers we beg of you

[minor fiber]

[ornate minnow]

🐢 That's crazy 🐢

[ancient python]

dev strem r gonna be fun

[vague knoll]

Oh boy

[random drift]

the real question is is vedal actually big brained enough to create a functional ARG

[vague knoll]

“Hey , have you ever seen a ghost”

[minor fiber]

just generate it with AI

[ornate minnow]

Considering he made a successful AI vtuber, yes yes he is

[vague knoll]

Surely

[random drift]

well

i don't think the skillset overlaps

need to ask AI to decipher the code in the description

[vague knoll]

Idk if the dev stream will be that big for the arg. But i can cope

[ornate minnow]

We can all cope

[vague knoll]

I mean i feel like has SO much stuff to go over this stream, considering it’s right after the debut. Idk if he’d have any time to drop any sort of arg hints

[graceful mulch]

@ornate minnow has leveled up! (14 ➜ 15)

[minor fiber]

im sure once we get the official lyrics we will found it then study will also be unstuck

[vague knoll]

Especially if he didn’t have something prepared beforehand

[ornate minnow]

We can maybe solve numbers

[vague knoll]

This

[ornate minnow]

The numbers video is so heavily based on lyrics

[minor fiber]

thats what im saying numbers then it unstuck study

[ornate minnow]

yup

[shy wharf]

I sincerely urge to not bother the man himself about it during streams. If he feels like it, he will guide us, but all in due time. You'll just end up making him annoyed or angry if we keep asking about it

[vague knoll]

Exactly

[minor fiber]

he did say no hints

[ornate minnow]

I'll prob play the waiting game if I get stuck for too long

[lavish totem]

ok

im beginning to thing abcdefg has to do with indexing

[vague knoll]

If he’s gonna drop any hints at all, he’s gonna drop hints on his own that were planned ahead, definitely not randomly because someone just kept asking

[ornate minnow]

lol

[lavish totem]

base64 char list ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz0123456789+/

[random drift]

new strat is to just say nothing until everyone loses interest in the ARG

[lavish totem]

a = 27 in this case so we rotate backwards?

[random drift]

then vedal will revive it

ez hint

[lavish totem]

line is / in the list

[night galleon]

[sacred ruin]

nvm cant do the program

multithreading is a real pain and im not learning it

[minor fiber]

lol

you can check vods i think vedal made multithreading at one point just yoink that

with alex screaming about it

damn pickles

[sacred ruin]

no

[wild cargo]

@scarlet quiver

[scarlet quiver]

interesting

[lavish totem]

index rotated backwards every step

[wild latch]

Is that possible 2 4 part means to add two four'S? I can hear S in it

So the key ends with 44

[minor fiber]

we went with add 2 then 4, add 2+4 => add 6, maybe 44 yea

[keen tartan]

another possibility

[minor fiber]

we stuck anyway doesn't hurt to try

[tepid rune]

To many interpretations

[sacred ruin]

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[ebon marten]

[tepid rune]

Holy what have I walked to?

[tepid rune]

Poor Lomi

[prisma reef]

blud encrypted it into js format

[tepid rune]

hug @night galleon

[molten nexus]

LightKnight hugged LomiBox!

[scarlet quiver]

why did you put it in a while true loop and then just broke it on the first loop

[sacred ruin]

because i wanted to try all strings

and i prepared in advance

but i wanted to test one key first

[prisma reef]

wait its bytes actually

or am i dum

[scarlet quiver]

no it's just an encoded python string

[ebon marten]

alright

[minor fiber]

bruteforsen.cr

[prisma reef]

nah wtf is this code

[ebon marten]

alright so we need to test all numbers in what range

[minor fiber]

number of lenght 16

[graceful mulch]

@minor fiber has leveled up! (4 ➜ 5)

[ebon marten]

and that's what kind of AES

192?

[minor fiber]

LongStream.rangeClosed(111111111111L,999999999999L);
"17" + key + "24"

im doing something like this on "AES/ECB/NoPadding"

[thorny robin]

So, what's new?

[minor fiber]

nothing much

[limpid swift]

We have no idea how to decrypt the data and we have no idea what to use as the password

[sacred ruin]

i literally started it 5m ago

dont expect something pretty

[limpid swift]

Good luck Darkeew

[sacred ruin]

ill be fixing and adding from time to time

ill keep it working for now

[prisma reef]

vedal surely be cookin with all this stuff wtf

[sacred ruin]

gotta detect trash data

[prisma reef]

good luck with this lmao

[sacred ruin]

meh

ill do it so everyone can run the program

[prisma reef]

so you need some sort of key to decrypt?

[sacred ruin]

yes

[prisma reef]

or wha

[limpid swift]

Welll...

[prisma reef]

oh

[limpid swift]

Probably

[minor fiber]

our theory is the lyrics give the key

but no key we found gave anything so either our lyrics transcript is wrong or our interpretation of the lyrics are wrong

[sacred ruin]

mkay i got the basics working

trash data is detected

time to multithread

no wait

time to cuda

[limpid swift]

AES decryption requires both a key and an IV to decrypt data we have a few options:

• It's encrypted using the default OpenSSL key derivation method (PBKDF). (Easy to extract the key and IV from a password if this method is used).
• It uses an online decrypter website (like https://www.devglan.com/online-tools/text-encryption-decryption) which will use a proprietary technique to define the IV, and key from a password. (This method is very popular in ARGs)
• The Key and IV are both provided in the puzzle. If this is the case then the key should be a specific number of bytes depending on the encryption method used. (In my opinion this is an insane thing to do).
• It's not AES at all.

If you want to derive the key and IV using OpenSSL run this command (on ubuntu anyway):
openssl enc -aes-256-cbc -pass pass:PASSWORDHERE -P

[minor fiber]

we are doing no IV right now

[ebon marten]

is it 256

?

[limpid swift]

We don't know

[tiny garden]

I'm just using rusts aes crate on 128

[minor fiber]

going with 128 since it's easiest

i think we also found that it's not a valid RSA

and also it's not a valid JWT

[ebon marten]

wait what is the IV

and what can it be

[minor fiber]

we doing no IV currently

[ebon marten]

yeah but what if its DQ5zl4ighWwiag7y+cWFQg==

[minor fiber]

wasn't it already used ?

iv could also be the "new line" part of the lyrics

[limpid swift]

This is also encrypted

[night galleon]

i think there's a hidden key

in the video

maybe both video connected?

[limpid swift]

Very possible

[minor fiber]

we know that numbers was posted manually right after the youtube account creation and the second video was planned and posted automatically after v2 debut

[night galleon]

there's only 2 video

and we have very limited resource

[sacred ruin]

DQ5zl4ighWwiag7y+cWFQg== ill decode this one first

guys

[night galleon]

please do

[sacred ruin]

once i finish this

i will use your computers

legally

[night galleon]

I was thinking that was an URL or something

[sacred ruin]

basically my main pc will generate keys and you guys will use those keys

wait no

you generate keys and send them to my pc

then randomly select keys and you guys

paypal me money

[ebon marten]

xd

[pulsar maple]

we brute forcin'?

[night galleon]

[sacred ruin]

basically

if you want to run

do the following:

install python