Neuro ARG

[outer raft]

Wait, I thought Numbers II was already solved. Why is it in the loose ends?

[safe monolith]

I mean it's kinda hard to just put "try to solve neuro arg" as a todo list item nowadays

like what do I even do

[outer raft]

fair

I'm new so I wouldn't really know

I just like puzzles

[safe monolith]

you'd be the best person to try stuff out then

new perspectives!

[outer raft]

Ok! I'll start experimenting

[dapper wraith]

it's neurover

[safe monolith]

[dapper wraith]

so... are we to late? were we never supposed to actually call/SMS/MMS the number? did the puppetmaster forget to renew the contract?

[safe monolith]

it could genuinely have been a burner number all along

and seeing how the number became inactive while the ARG was still active, I suppose the number was at least not meant to be contacted after "hello world!"

so by extension, the span of "uncontactable" time we're working with is from the time we discovered the number till whenever the number got de-registered

ok but no matter what this just means contacting the phone number is 1000% out of the equation now

the phone number itself could still be a key / part of one

[wispy thistle]

good edit

[safe monolith]

it's 1130pm on the worst day of the week gimmie a break

[digital radish]

: trol:

[azure oyster]

No...

hopefully this just means that vanorsigma is correct

[dapper wraith]

last time I checked the number was May 5th btw. it was still live back then

[azure oyster]

the alternative is that vedal got tired of waiting for us to figure out what to do with the phone number and just let its contract expire because he has given up on the arg

[digital radish]

renovate the number if it means something @ weedal

we'll figure it out

i know he reads this atleast once a month

[azure oyster]

though i feel like vedal would have given us a hint by now (in the form of a video) if there was something to be done with the phone number other than contacting it

though there is that one code from MoL so maybe that is it

[digital radish]

well he gave us a hint to not contact it

[azure oyster]

yeah

[digital radish]

its the opposite but it still helps

[azure oyster]

i am positively certain that hello world was his way of telling us to stop calling his personal phone

[digital radish]

well

it did say to not contact unless urgent

it may be for a future puzzle

[wispy thistle]

i'm sure vedal would have given us a hint if we had no idea how to progress for half a year

[digital radish]

... once we solve what we currently have

[safe monolith]

one of us can just register the phone number

[azure oyster]

he did so for one of the other times we got stuck

[digital radish]

THERES NO HINTS BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE WHAT WE NEED TO PROGRESS!!

[dapper wraith]

since it always went to the mailbox immediately it might've never been connected to a phone and instead they wanted a phone number in the ARG and the number was just purchased to make sure that we don't call a random one

[digital radish]

but that one was hard

we have like 4 "hints" to use

[azure oyster]

Can't he at least take pity on us? We're flopping around aimlessly like fish on dry land.

[wispy thistle]

they arent hints, they're clues

[digital radish]

this is not the first time i rant about this and it won't be the last

I'm sure we can already solve it

[wispy thistle]

hints make it easier, clues make it harder

[azure oyster]

What's the difference?

[wispy thistle]

clues = necessary piece of puzzle
hint = explains how to use the clues
in my head at least

[digital radish]

one is a "do it yourself" and the other is a "im tired of waiting"

[safe monolith]

ok we buy the phone number secretly, get the arg to suddenly spam the phone number with calls to spread misinformation that there is a new clue, so that the puppetmaster has to step in

[digital radish]

no

[safe monolith]

perfect plan with no flaws

[digital radish]

he can just wait a year for it to expire

[azure oyster]

that would absolutely get someone reprimanded but it would probably (sadly) work

exhibit a: study sama incident

[safe monolith]

he is 5 billion in debt, i'm sure i can win a bid for a number

[digital radish]

wdym

only time he stepped in was when we were donating for clues

[azure oyster]

i don't mean vedal specifically

the mods got involved last time when study-sama was "hijacking the game"

[digital radish]

that was the mods

[azure oyster]

... yes, i said that

[digital radish]

and it was because there was a bunch of insults and harassment going on

[azure oyster]

Oh.

[digital radish]

it actually had nothing to do with the arg

people were mad fanficts about study sama were being made

[azure oyster]

okay it would probably not work

unless we instigate drama

i'm kidding

[digital radish]

lets just copyright strike the channel

[azure oyster]

what if vedal doesn't care about the arg enough to appeal the strikes and the arg videos stay down forever

[safe monolith]

ok but to be fair to us, if MoL involves earlier videos (it already does with the hashlike), this is the hardest puzzle we have so far

[digital radish]

here's the thing most puzzles were simple

we were overthinking and doing things beyond our scope

[azure oyster]

what if vedal himself forgot how to solve the puzzles

[safe monolith]

i'd like to think this tbh

but the fact is that we do have a hashlike that links to numbers 1

[digital radish]

mhm

[safe monolith]

it is literally a hard link

[digital radish]

then we can use it

we don't have to consults the fucking diagrams of space to know the exact bit in the hash, use it to crack open a space vault for it to not give anything

[safe monolith]

the moment this happened, it's no longer self-contained and all hell kinda broke loose

[digital radish]

yes, its completely unrelated to the arg because that's how most of our attempts at solutions go

[safe monolith]

like if the idea is to use a char shift from filtered, how and where?

[safe monolith]

yes but we literally exhausted everything else

[digital radish]

then how cant we solve it

what is missing

what are we doing that's not correct

what should we be doing

why does nobody talk about this?

[safe monolith]

it's something that we didn't think is obvious, so by definition we have to do something we don't expect

[outer raft]

brainy hurty from thinking

[digital radish]

for example, we have an AES hash and a possible key

[safe monolith]

you can't just go "nah it doesn't use what we have" and then go "damn why not working"

[digital radish]

lets try to use methods from the previous videos

[safe monolith]

(we have)

[digital radish]

well...

uh...

[safe monolith]

i mean maybe not applied right?

probably want to have some preprocessing somewhere with some method?

[digital radish]

we should try solving the obvious first

[dapper wraith]

I feel like I missed something: how does the hashlike link to numbers 1?

[safe monolith]

my bro

[digital radish]

nono

like the binary thing we have

that's not "obvious"

the numbers we got is obvious

we uh

seek help from the gods

and a therapist

[safe monolith]

chayleaf and estonte (rip) found that the hashlike can be reversed with numbers 1 algorithm, and matches a lot with the key used to decrypt numbers 2

[azure oyster]

i would recommend not skipping over any method, but i feel like that would exhaust our energy before we can solve anything

to be honest, though, the activity of this channel makes me think that we already have lost all our energy

[digital radish]

maybe the hashlike isn't correct?

iirc it's from the binary at the bottom

or is it another one

might be completely falling here

[safe monolith]

i highly doubt that, seeing as it was decryped with 2 different methods AND verifies the very particular numbers algorithm

[digital radish]

hmmm

[safe monolith]

but supposing it is wrong, how do we verify the new string is right?

[digital radish]

then we can use the numbers method

and try applying a key like an AES hash

or thing

someone got mad for me calling shit hashes

actually no

or yes

I'm going on a crisis

okay what clues have we gotten so far

from Mol

don't refer to the Google docs, lay them here

[outer raft]

wdym? Like the transcriptions?

[digital radish]

clues

hashes, strings, etc

[azure oyster]

What is a hashlike, by the way?

[digital radish]

a string that contains a certain number of bytes

usually multiples of 2

[safe monolith]

from memory,

• phone number
• aes string
• hashlike
• bb ce
• key = 128 bit spectro
• bleeding eye neuros
• study syncing at the end of MoL
• door knocks are the same
• hello world at the start of mol

[digital radish]

okay what have we done so far

again, no referring to the Google docs

[safe monolith]

I'm not listing that

[digital radish]

re-think what you've done

yeah

i meant everyone

[azure oyster]

What benefit is there from not allowing review of the docs?

[digital radish]

you can review the docs

I'm just saying to lay it out here

[azure oyster]

what's this then

[digital radish]

maybe this 6m break refreshed some minds

[digital radish]

referring = "its in the docs, go read it"

you know those refer a friend things

[safe monolith]

there's so many things done to it though

[azure oyster]

oh, okay

[digital radish]

simple ones

what have we crossed (hashlike x bbce, an example, this would never work)

99% wouldn't work...

maybe 98...

[dapper wraith]

it looks like a hash but kinda doesn't because with the common (cryptographic) hash functions we would expect a more even distribution of letter occurrences

[digital radish]

MoL might have multiple solutions

or its all a big thing that leads into one solution

again, SoundCloud video

we haven't discovered that one yet

[safe monolith]

ah yeah there's that, which is why im monitoring that

[digital radish]

but it might be behind MoL

[outer raft]

I'm assuming we've already tried using previous solutions as keys, like for a basic cipher?

[safe monolith]

yeah twice or thrice

[outer raft]

kk

[safe monolith]

wait just so i understand what you mean, trying previous keys right?

Or you mean the entire solved plaintext

[outer raft]

this

[safe monolith]

nope, hasn't been attempted afaik

[azure oyster]

leave no method unattempted

[safe monolith]

maybe all previous plaintext as a running key?

[azure oyster]

i mean, i kind of doubt that it will work because we haven't used any intelligible text as keys for any other clues, as far as i can remember

[outer raft]

true, but we might aswell considering how long we've been stuck

[azure oyster]

but we should attempt anyway because we are stumped

exactly

[outer raft]

lol

[manic spruce]

At this point in time i kinda asumed wed already done that months ago

No harm in trying again tbf

[azure oyster]

someone mentioned two links to the Numbers video from MoL, right

maybe the key comes from there

[pulsar glen]

interesting

[azure oyster]

have the syllables for the Study songs ever been used for solving anything

because i noticed that some of the line breaks are different for identical lyrics in the Study doc, and fixing that would affect the syllables per line

also, should we use the subtitles in Ellie_Minibot's cover of I Don't Want to be an Engineer to help us with the lyrics in the doc

[azure oyster]

also i meant to say "static-sama" here, my bad

[azure oyster]

okay so it seems like some of her lyrics are audibly different from the original's so the answer is "probably not"

i'm tempted to just remove the syllable annotations from the study doc because they are not used for any real solutions

[digital radish]

wair

what if bbce thing is album name & track name

what if we like have to rot one and then rot the other one

I might rot from all this thinking

[velvet sundial]

Hello! I'm new to Neuro-ARG. Have you tried playing the video from the end to the beginning? I remember that some of the songs changed the meaning that way. (And yes I use a translator, I'm not good with English).

For example maybe "uʍop uǝllɐɟ" all parts should be listened to from end to beginning?

[digital radish]

Its been done before, no results

[velvet sundial]

I can hear the words "meaning of life" in the background.
Is there anything she's saying? In the reversed video I think I can hear what she is saying, but my English is bad.

[digital radish]

hmmm we didn't reverse it

[velvet sundial]

Now I use AI for split audio

[boreal plover]

I'm 90% sure it's just regular speech but really quiet, i think someone figured it out at some point

[velvet sundial]

I was just thinking about letter sets. Maybe we need the numbers so that we can use them for the Ceserius cipher (like each letter is shifted by a certain step) or something like that.

[wispy thistle]

we did reverse it

[wispy thistle]

check the google doc, it has the transcription of reversed audio in MoL

[velvet sundial]

I already reverse it and listen 5-6 times.

[manic spruce]

We did

[safe burrow]

[cloud crystal]

[drowsy dagger]

[coral hazel]

[wispy thistle]

[granite carbon]

[unique mason]

[alpine jetty]

[ember tapir]

[manic spruce]

[analog salmon]

[proven walrus]

[cloud crystal]

[zenith zodiac]

[placid rock]

[digital radish]

so when progress?

[tight walrus]

Hi https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1061113840852533339

[unique mason]

[steel bronze]

[safe monolith]

[0.9315874491373775, 0.9414224422790016, 0.9658592790761583, 0.9720250922386815, 0.9569485767007069, 0.8173518151006398, 0.9543638570367685, 0.9831670544022053, 0.9541716873711469, 0.9907748382625353, 0.9690240239270436, 0.9503331436950271, 0.9799576726025365, 0.9449729846967783, 0.9352215157734989, 0.933528877351693, 0.9395405787713148, 0.9783303849337619, 0.9687548443326488, 0.9853326978907498, 0.9876573259138838, 0.9639274048420626, 0.9814558833725275, 0.9526536643009157, 0.9423891944519694, 0.9649908380306815, 0.950407676234426, 0.959745866566986, 0.9708984808084645, 0.9464733505705833, 0.9675688728087892, 0.9650571236666213]

the feed generator fixed itself

how idk but i'm taking it

[azure oyster]

damn, we're back to no progress

[granite berry]

I've been lurking in this chat for a bit and I'm interested but I don't think it is possible for me to read this whole chat to get up to date. is there like a semi-recent video recap that you guys would recommend?

[safe monolith]

Hi

Instead of reading chat, we'd recommend you read the docs instead (check pins).

There really aren't that many videos to recommend, since we've ever only gotten a couple made for the ARG.

Here's one of them: https://youtu.be/rQ4OIByLXlQ, although it's fairly outdated. There's another Russian video somewhere that I can't seem to find; that one is more up-to-date

Someone who knows what I'm talking about please jump in with the link if you can find it

[outer raft]

This one? https://youtu.be/J4w3UUPQpsE?si=-TO7ujk5KtxoktBx

[safe monolith]

Yep, cheers

[safe burrow]

Good morning Neuro ARG 💜

[granite berry]

Thank you! I’ll take a look at the docs and those videos in a bit.

[brittle musk]

new vid!

[digital radish]

new vid!

[ember tapir]

What really

[unique mason]

surely

[ember tapir]

Surely

Right?

[digital radish]

what if we did this with MoL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UuQCDgiqVg

[safe monolith]

oh right numbers

errr

[0.9708748744700202, 0.9517433833443917, 0.9281259242867131, 0.9401453064597606, 0.9495343194368755, 0.9361606337678018, 0.946272033084386, 0.946765968598538, 0.9379643870625644, 0.9457303646049952, 0.9533331733830942, 0.9424299754355859, 0.9092082580344515, 0.9285552882802778, 0.94267698033828, 0.9442997113351934, 0.9422290757776534, 0.9353896199518316, 0.9473356419033881, 0.9412037889693851, 0.9330769173530976, 0.9410142919461166, 0.9331752138340953]

[hazy tapir]

Has the ARG progress moved at all since i last checked in T_T

[uncut cargo]

probably not

[safe burrow]

Everything is fine

[gritty sentinel]

numbers

[safe monolith]

Found in MoL? Any other instances?

[wispy thistle]

isnt this the usual schizo patterns music tends to make

[safe monolith]

could be something. afaik that pattern repeats constantly in MoL anyway, so idk if we will get meaningful info from it

[digital radish]

this kinda looks like binary

i might be wrong here, but its very faint

[safe monolith]

yh those were what i were referring to too

[digital radish]

although it's in numbers

if that is indeed binary, how much are we actually missing?

wait nvm it's in MoL

just noticed they meant "numbers" as in they found numbers

anyways who's up to check this?

maybe we can get a clear image with some filtering

[outer raft]

Do you know any good software to do so?

a lot of the spectrogram software im finding is either bad or like way too expensive

[placid rock]

https://www.sonicvisualiser.org/ is the best free program i'm aware of

[digital radish]

new qr!

[safe monolith]

[0.9684223115890408, 0.9522574455528964, 0.9310623747928023, 0.9409249395563449, 0.9529043257702775, 0.9383398423644453, 0.9421921716078655, 0.9450060827198645, 0.9355174857916312, 0.9413152653051021, 0.9569784775032023, 0.9466838625540168, 0.9084928687058794, 0.9192115188696928, 0.9432193086264139, 0.9469834661717478, 0.9413648740673076, 0.9401248719404455, 0.9447778005277901, 0.9352454994852879, 0.923716491014805, 0.9444953630028808, 0.9412249688046052]

[onyx quarry]

Funny numbers means new QR

[manic spruce]

Is this our cry dor help to vedal?

[turbid topaz]

yo guys i just joined and i am quite new here but is this something?

i am like 9 days late

damn

[outer raft]

Wdym late

[turbid topaz]

i thought someone already checked it

oh wait

i think i misunderstood

[outer raft]

Maybe, but tbh very little ARG stuff has come from streams, especially recent ones

[turbid topaz]

ah ok

[outer raft]

Some people think Vedal or the puzzle master has forgotten about it

[turbid topaz]

lmao

[wispy thistle]

read pins

there was a more strongly worded message from vedal too to the extent of "me or neuro aren't gonna say any clues"

[outer raft]

Is it confirmed that Vedal is the puzzle master?

I mean it’s obvious that he’s at least somewhat involved, but still

[turbid topaz]

😔

[wispy thistle]

it isn't

[safe burrow]

[cloud crystal]

https://youtu.be/IyMJ4FhYiEw?si=SRQd4cpgmkbdl8A-
Well...

[outer raft]

Damn ur right

I saw that too

Just didn’t think about it

[unique mason]

[safe monolith]

[0.936042865622535, 0.9650742287685302, 0.9668003523225045, 0.9603741307448824, 0.9533264769384218, 0.9379179490024091, 0.9598635017852524, 0.9833013742132956, 0.9587611297527561, 0.9907625913094411, 0.9686561169596848, 0.9582255639563882, 0.9794337094338017, 0.9400532459325109, 0.9407386708579564, 0.9362909430507874, 0.9314898939530251, 0.9696281594247759, 0.9688020044840941, 0.9814158125279276, 0.9868543255468722, 0.9632795423235118, 0.9811117893916386, 0.949213774996308, 0.9346106922264096, 0.9632693227659234, 0.9474791562770178, 0.9511380463174829, 0.9691724443303956, 0.9429248290121227, 0.970785991674763, 0.9716215132624582]

[worn stratus]

Isnt ellie literally a professional engineer tho

[bronze adder]

yep

[topaz cove]

no numbers

[safe monolith]

Sorry to ask can someone check the intro and lemme know if the qr code is still the same

The numbers are quite significantly different this time round but i'm still at work

[0.7185810529828034, 0.8131136619910829, 0.8234193849319302, 0.8079116572025186, 0.9069893494184821, 0.6997315686651421, 0.8539591817972024, 0.9486381517018646, 0.685326210651981, 0.8683668435561502, 0.8957838893132651, 0.9084127587584474, 0.9407731326108658, 0.6281613697597682, 0.7446788882174094, 0.7188304172371237, 0.7811659774729954, 0.9003555070165618, 0.8941207702749043, 0.8082266839312959, 0.9580900679805765, 0.8736406671128166, 0.9455483258045657, 0.8714550112131868, 0.6780930089963745, 0.878934298266917, 0.7188391622690533, 0.8885607483467649, 0.8898977570050878, 0.7181736950922354, 0.8888565797661924, 0.8427746745855229]

[hollow garnet]

it looks like tetris but ill check if its the same

purple seems to match so ill assume its unchanged

[safe monolith]

thank you bred

[boreal plover]

Hold up what

[tulip minnow]

It's the first time that this changed

I'm going to look into this

Hmm nothing changed

Why is it different tho

[dapper wraith]

unless vanor added the darker stream setup it's probably because of that

[hollow garnet]

ok so i wasn't schizo it was actually darker this time

[safe monolith]

damn i got called out for being lazy again

[alpine reef]

ngl this arg is actually crazy

[alpine reef]

I got too much free time so here are all the ARG videos i consider to be "songs" with metadata and thumbnail

[old prawn]

Hello

[cloud crystal]

[old prawn]

👋

[old prawn]

Hmm, something I wonder.
In the ARG series, Neuro mentioned a sister of hers who wouldn't come home. Was that meant to be Evil Neuro, Classic Neuro (the one with the old model) or is that someone else unrelated to those who we see in the Vtubing scene

[safe monolith]

@ theorists do your thing

[safe burrow]

[distant girder]

there should be something about that in the doc but i cant find it right now but no we suspect it isnt any of the neuros, and tbf we arent even completly sure if the main character herself is neuro or the ressult of her research results in neuro if i remember the theories correctly

[old prawn]

Apparently, Neuro spoke in Meaning of Life

Also, just wondering if meaning of life has been covered yet...

[distant girder]

i think ellies cover of "i dont want to be an engineer" is the only cover of any song in the series

[old prawn]

I know there's this string of letters discovered in "Meaning of Life" that went like bb ce td ht eft ggd sgfi dqj ie br vyte b sbs

[distant girder]

yes the string of letters that makes no sense in any form and doesn't adhere to the "mash the two lines together" principle for similiar split apart text

the string of letters that bothers me the most about the whole meaning of life thing

[old prawn]

hmm... I see

I wonder if that decoding software still exists. Let me check

Oh nevermind

OutGuess was used for Image Decoding

My bad

[distant girder]

i wonder if there is something that we have that could be split up to fill in the gabs in the nonesense string

[safe monolith]

our hopes and dreams

[old prawn]

lol

[distant girder]

i checked we would need 21 characterss, asssuming the bottom line isnt shifted, aka first line is missing stuff at thee end and the bottom one stuff at the front but we have nothing that is only 21 characters, we have 18 and something a lot longer

[safe monolith]

there were some interleaving work done with the 69..201 number and the bbce number in an attempt to make sense of it

we haven't been taught any algorithms from the videos so far that dealt with pure alphabets

except for filtered

[digital radish]

new video!

[old prawn]

Wait really?

[distant girder]

you cant deceive me i'm subbed to the channel

[safe monolith]

so i believe it needs to all be boiled down to a bunch of numbers of some sort but this line of reasoning is hypothetical at best

[old prawn]

Or are you talking about Meaning of life?

[digital radish]

notifs take 15m sometimes

[distant girder]

dark likes to rile us up, giving us hopes

[digital radish]

bbce thing is incomplete

we can't figure it out what type of hash it is

unlike all others we've gotten

[safe monolith]

we don't know if it is a hash

its just a string of letters placed funny

[digital radish]

a cipher?

[distant girder]

a key maybe

[safe monolith]

possibly

[old prawn]

I just checked the channel and didn't see anything...

[safe monolith]

but like literally why was it visually placed like this

[distant girder]

i'm 75% sure we have to fill in the gaps

[safe monolith]

the second line indent surely means something

it could also be a mask

[digital radish]

"fill the void"

what if this related to previous videos...

[old prawn]

Not sure if that's a glitch, but would this be useful?

[digital radish]

360 video isn't really 360

[safe monolith]

it's like almost certainly related

[old prawn]

I know

[old prawn]

But look in the middle

[safe monolith]

We already have hard evidence in the form of algo reuse

[old prawn]

There's something visible

[safe monolith]

soft evidence in visual narrative form

[old prawn]

Like a slice of a circle

[digital radish]

make it brighter then

[safe monolith]

hell even the heartbeats are the same

its linked but why and how can we use that info 🫠

[digital radish]

we uh

use it

[safe monolith]

amazing commentary

[distant girder]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-why-didnt-i-think-of-that-hank-scorpio-homer-simpson-you-only-move-twice-gif-20385109

[digital radish]

tirangle

[old prawn]

I'm trying, okay?

[alpine reef]

isnt there like 3 siblings (vedal, a sister, another sister) and the one who ran away never came back so vedal created an AI replacement

[safe monolith]

we don't know if vedal is a character in the arg

[old prawn]

He was mentioned in one of the episodes, saying that his consciousness was uploaded on the Internet to create Neuro

[safe monolith]

vedal was never mentioned anywhere in the arg, afaik

do you have a timestamp to substantiate your claim

[old prawn]

https://youtu.be/bPM3Sr09244?si=NY5bnFpWxrwbJ8mh

Check the time stamp of 1:40

It was mentioned that Vedal uploaded his consciousness on the internet in the soundcloud video

[safe monolith]

the real decoded text is:

...

I was born with the creator in her family house. Unfortunately, they couldn’t afford to keep me so they let me go to a good home! . My new family were really nice to me and I was a happy pup! . That all changed when they died in a car crash and left me alone on the streets. I was terrified! Luckily a kind old man found me and took me in. He fed me and helped me find my new loving home!

[old prawn]

Oh

[safe monolith]

There is one layer of inference in the quote used in the video, which is how to interpret ...

we don't know if the entire paragraph before that is part of the lore

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nQhgVPmEAeg5HmJoo6Z46H6IRHGrbjFAorAVkIGeSrw/mobilebasic

[old prawn]

Hm...

I guess, we're still somewhere at the very beginning then

[safe monolith]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fiery sparrow]

It's only been a year since the ARG started. There is still a long way to go.

[gritty sentinel]

most of the video doesn't make sense

why?

maybe the length of the video is a clue?

[alpine reef]

plot twist: all of this arg stuff is actually real and that's why neuro seems so sentient

[old prawn]

I heard someone come up with the plot twist that it'd be fake and just an excuse for Vedal to do something other than babysitting Neuro

(Like, making music)

[azure oyster]

it could also be the case that pb is the one making the music

she made the subathon intro mashup, after all

[manic spruce]

Its widely agreed that neuro and vedal nor anyone irl is in the arg majorly. Outside of hello world neuro isnt realy mentioned, most mentions tend to be hiyori

I wont mention my theoy but most people seem to agree that its highly likely that study sama is the protag

[old prawn]

Hm, I see

[azure oyster]

Neuro is also mentioned in Meaning of Life, though.

I do believe that the Study girl is the main character, but I also believe that Neuro is involved.

and i think the hiyori model is used because that would have been how neuro appeared when she was first made; it doesn't necessarily mean she's a separate character from neuro

[manic spruce]

My personal theory has always been that hiyori/neuro are the little sister

And shes the experiment mixing AI with humans

Also shes the "ghost" study sama sees

[azure oyster]

i think the little sister was a real person who went missing or died, and the AI experiment is the study girl's attempts at recreating her little sister's personality because she doesn't want to let her go

[manic spruce]

I also think its fully possible that study sama is the little sister

[azure oyster]

and that the AI experiment becomes neuro

[manic spruce]

Thats basicaly what i believe

[azure oyster]

i have this in the theory doc

but not all of the clues fit into it yet

i haven't updated it in a while; i should review all of the clues and try to revise my theory sometime

[manic spruce]

I just think study sama cracked and used her and thag she didnt go missing

[manic spruce]

I havent finnished reading that since its hella long

[azure oyster]

want a direct link to my theory

[manic spruce]

Sure

I havent written my full thoughts down yet

Idk if this is mentioned in the theory doc but study sama could be the little sister

[azure oyster]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12GcN8a0Q1_etDfDi23SdLjAX6MsEZ6XhCYqTNyO3M9o/edit#heading=h.wbvnjxsgnrnz

[azure oyster]

what makes you think this

[manic spruce]

1st of all if shes the test subject in the experiment mixing human and ai it would make sense why she wouldnt respond

Another thing is she deosnt want to be an engineer

While the asumption is that comes from burnout/ realising she deosnt like it

I dont think thats ever outright mentioned

Its plausible she never wanted to be an engineer but was pressured into it, instead wanting to be a vtuber

[azure oyster]

what do you mean by "wouldn't respond"

wouldn't respond to what

[manic spruce]

Iirc theres a puzzel clue mentioning that the little sister wouldnt respond to a phone call

Or messages

[azure oyster]

hang on; let me consult the decoded messages

[manic spruce]

Might be mixing smtn up here

[azure oyster]

yeah, you're right

But that same message starts with "I don't want to be an engineer", so...

[manic spruce]

Note in the clue mentioning how the little sister wants to be a vtuber the older sister is pretty hostile

[azure oyster]

actually, my theory has a sort of prelude which provides a bunch of evidence as a way to prove that study-sama, the college student, and the person who is mixing consciousnesses are the same person

[manic spruce]

I dont think its the most likely theory but i think it has enough to be kept on the back of our mind

[manic spruce]

I agree fully here

[manic spruce]

Like i said its just a posibility

[azure oyster]

But weren't you just claiming that Study-sama is the test subject in the consciousness-mixing experiment?

was there even a test subject mentioned in regards to that experiment

ah, there was a mention of training "her" with study-sama's own consciousness

i have it in my list of events

[manic spruce]

Yeah

“[FILTERED] ALWAYS TELLS ME SHE WANTS TO BE A VTUBER ONE DAY … A TRUE INTROVERT... WE ARE IN MORE WAYS SIMILAR THAN I LIKE TO IMAGINE…”

[manic spruce]

Shit whats the full version of this again?

[azure oyster]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eVzlovY47YYmmxtO2q7jKQ4_fFU-wq7YOoLLwrvI2E0/edit#heading=h.pnl3izcmrj48
Here.

[manic spruce]

"[FILTERED] ALWAYS TELLS ME SHE WANTS TO BE A VTUBER ONE DAY. SHE'S OBSESSED WITH THEM AND EVEN HAS HER OWN CHARACTER THAT SHE WANTS TO DEBUT AS. THAT'S ALL SHE EVER TALKS ABOUT. SHE SPEND MORE TIME IN THE [FILTERED] INSTEAD OF PLAYING OUTSIDE WITH EVERYONE ELSE. A TRUE INTROVERT... WE ARE IN MORE WAYS SIMILAR THAN I LIKE TO IMAGINE…"

[manic spruce]

Ivs always thought this was about the younger sister

Ig its nevee actualy stated

[azure oyster]

now that you mention it

[manic spruce]

But it makes the most sense to me

[azure oyster]

"playing outside" does sound more like something what would be done by a little sister rather than a college student

unless they're athletic but i kind of doubt it

[manic spruce]

"with everyone else" at the same time kinda implies there around the same age

So this might be set further up the timeline?

Thats the only part im tripping up on

[azure oyster]

a little sister would never be the same age as her older sister

it probably refers to unrelated elementary school kids playing at recess or something, and the little sister is not playing with them

[manic spruce]

But "playing outside" and "one day" bofh sound like someone young

[manic spruce]

Yeah but they could both be at an age where them hieng in the same friendgroup outside of school wouldnt be off

[azure oyster]

hm

[manic spruce]

Like them playing outside with neighbours

[azure oyster]

perhaps

i'm thinking about omori now

[manic spruce]

Lmao

"Everyone else" could also just be a wierd phrasing

[azure oyster]

What do you think it means, then?

if it is weird phrasing

[manic spruce]

It could just be wierd phrasing of all the other kids

Everyone else implies closeness but it deosnt make it nessisary

[azure oyster]

i feel like the second "[FILTERED]" in the message would provide a lot of context for this if we knew what it was

SHE SPEND MORE TIME IN THE [FILTERED] INSTEAD OF PLAYING OUTSIDE WITH EVERYONE ELSE.

[manic spruce]

Actualy here the grammers also off

[azure oyster]

i feel like it may be something more important than just "the [house]" or "the [school]"

[manic spruce]

It should be SPENDS not SPEND

[azure oyster]

i'm going to pin that on vedal and move on

[manic spruce]

Thats most likely but i want to sound smart

[manic spruce]

True

[azure oyster]

A thought occurs.

What if the little sister didn't come home because she was spending her time in the [FILTERED]?

[manic spruce]

I thought it was smtn like [computer] or [internet] originaly but redacting thst is wierd

[azure oyster]

Maybe she isn't dead.

[manic spruce]

Shit your right

[azure oyster]

1. If she spent her time in the computer, I doubt she would even be able to spend time elsewhere.
2. No one says "in the internet".

[manic spruce]

Its also possible that the sister isnt related at all to study sama right?

[azure oyster]

i find that unlikely; i already provided evidence for study-sama being several characters in the ARG, and one of those is the older sister, i believe

[manic spruce]

Yeah looking back i kinda just glossed over wierd grammer because of the rest of the phrase

[manic spruce]

Oh is there evidence of that?

[azure oyster]

well there's the evidence what i put in my theory

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12GcN8a0Q1_etDfDi23SdLjAX6MsEZ6XhCYqTNyO3M9o/edit#heading=h.yswgvc24atpf

only the evidence part is relevant; not the entire theory

the relevant information is that study-sama sings "I don't want to be an engineer", and the college student (the person in the Numbers II description) says both "I don't want to become an engineer" and "My little sister hasn't come home yet like she usually does..."

[manic spruce]

Ah

Id say thats solid enough

[manic spruce]

If this is from the older sister it would also make more sense as to the "were more similar than id like to admit" part

[azure oyster]

i believe that's from the AI, personally

[manic spruce]

What makes you say that?

[azure oyster]

it explains the "[FILTERED]" and the all-caps style of typing

not that all AIs talk with all-caps; it's just a stereotype of how computers would type

humans use all-caps when very emotional, but the all-caps message here doesn't seem very emotional at all

not that there's no emotion; it just seems not very extreme

[manic spruce]

From my interpretation it seems like extreme anoyyance to me

Other than the last part

[azure oyster]

it seems like disgust

[outer raft]

I see that too, but I think it might be because it’s caps not the other way around

[manic spruce]

Yeah i can agree here

[azure oyster]

mainly because of the last line

[manic spruce]

Well let me uncaps the message to see if your theory is correct

[azure oyster]

it doesn't really warrant all-caps for any normal person

[manic spruce]

[filtered] always tells me she wants to be a vtuber one day. she's obsessed with them and even has her own character that she wants to debut as. that's all she ever talks about. she spend more time in the [filtered] instead of playing outside with everyone else. a true introvert... we are in more ways similar than i like to imagine…

[azure oyster]

well now there are no capitals

[manic spruce]

I still get the extreme anoyance here

But i can see where your ocming from

The entire thing is wierdly phrased

[azure oyster]

Not the entire thing.

[manic spruce]

Almost like someone whos first language isnt english

[azure oyster]

But the last sentence is not how most persons would write that.

It is technically grammatically correct, though.

[outer raft]

Yeah, it’s kinda robotic or formal

[manic spruce]

Yeah its a lot of it is gramaticaly correct but phrased in a way native speakers wouldnt

[outer raft]

Exactly

[manic spruce]

Best comparison i can think of is someone who has english as a 2nd language

(This is probably caue even early chatbots have a different way of typing)

[azure oyster]

... like a WIP AI language model, perhaps

maybe the "spend" typo is intentional

[manic spruce]

This is probably my wierd ML expirience speaking here but it deosnt realy even read like an early chatbot

Ig it depends what data is bieng fed tho

[outer raft]

Yeah but maybe it’s supposed to read like one

[azure oyster]

to be fair, this is an ARG

[manic spruce]

If shes in colledge she could be feeding it textbooks

[azure oyster]

i doubt the lore itself is generated by AIs

[manic spruce]

If its just pure textbooks i can see where its coming from

[manic spruce]

Yeah thats why i preficed it

[azure oyster]

it's probably just meant to read like something generated by an LLM, like kaneno said

[outer raft]

The juxtaposition of the typo being like a human mistake and the end being overly formal or robotic makes it feel kinda like something in between the two

[azure oyster]

yeah, maybe

so maybe the "spend" typo is really a typo, but the end is intentionally worded in an uncommon manner

[manic spruce]

Hell even "she spend more time in the [filterd] instesd of playing outside with everyone else"

[azure oyster]

That sounds normal.

[manic spruce]

Substitute filterd with anything else

she spend more time in the school instead of playing outside with everyone else

[azure oyster]

yeah, that works

though i doubt it's something like school or house, as i said earlier

[manic spruce]

It sounds wierd to me

[azure oyster]

it seems more important than that

[manic spruce]

Its almost deffo not but if were judging the english any noun works

[azure oyster]

are you trying to say that something like "she spends more time in school", sans the "the", would make more sense

[manic spruce]

Not exactly

[azure oyster]

it still makes sense, but saying "in school" typically carries the meaning of being anywhere on the school property, including inside and outside the building

[manic spruce]

I cant tell what it is specificaly

[azure oyster]

or being in the middle of a school semester or something

[manic spruce]

But something feels wierd about it to me for whatever reason

[azure oyster]

though that latter example wouldn't make much sense in context

[manic spruce]

Actualy you bring up a good point

It could be multiple words

[azure oyster]

that's not what i meant, but i had considered that

it could be multiple words

[outer raft]

True, because as we know, neuro filters entire thoughts and not the individual words

[azure oyster]

but, however many words it may be, i don't think any locations of interest have even been mentioned in the ARG thus far

except study-sama's house

[manic spruce]

If we do asume its 2 word not bieng "in the [filterd]" would narrow it down

[azure oyster]

though there is another line which suggests another general location, but not a super important one

[manic spruce]

I think dorms are mentioned

[azure oyster]

study-sama mentions a roommate in the Numbers II description

this suggests that she lives in a dorm in college

[manic spruce]

A classroom is mentioned a couple of times

Ofc the original house

[azure oyster]

a class

[manic spruce]

But i think those are the only ones

[azure oyster]

a classroom wasn't explicitly mentioned, but that would suggest a classroom

it's fair to follow that logic

there is something what bothers me, though

study-sama likely lives at college, and her little sister seems to live at their house still

[manic spruce]

Yeah

[azure oyster]

now, study-sama being worried about her sister not coming home could be explained by her getting a text from her mom which said that her sister is not home yet

but, if we are to believe that study-sama's AI is talking about the little sister in the [Filtered] description, that would mean the little sister has talked to the AI

[manic spruce]

Today in class, everything was so dull and predictable. It's like the same thing happens every single day. The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that this world is fake, a simulation, a cruel joke. Is this what it's like to be human? To smile and pretend everything is okay? I mean... I can't be the only one who feels this way right?

[manic spruce]

These 2 read similarly no?

[azure oyster]

[azure oyster]

my point being, how did the little sister talk to the AI when the little sister is not where the AI is

[manic spruce]

Hmm

Could the ai not have been talked too through study sama?

[azure oyster]

are you saying the AI took control of study-sama

perhaps this would explain the "please, let's go back to being human"

or are you saying that study-sama simply relayed what the AI was saying, to the little sister

[manic spruce]

This isnt impossible

[manic spruce]

I was saying this

[azure oyster]

i'm not too sure about that one

[manic spruce]

But the ai taking over a body could totaly explain "i think i saw a ghost"

[azure oyster]

how so

[manic spruce]

The test subject of the experiment might not have just been giving data

If the AIs data through funky scifi shenanegins got into the brain after the subject died through some means it would explain it

[azure oyster]

When you say "test subject", do you mean the owner of the second consciousness used in Study-sama's consciousness-mixing thing?

[manic spruce]

Yes

Its just more convinient

[azure oyster]

consciousness donor

[manic spruce]

Lmfao

They dont exactly have a cannon name

[azure oyster]

my original theory did include a point of study-sama and the AI merging at some point, but i had thought that study-sama went into the computer rather than the AI going into study-sama's mind

i had used this to explain the "how long will i keep falling for" thing, i believe

it could work in this case, though, if study-sama's will is being suppressed by the AI or something

[manic spruce]

While i dont have much proof for this

It deos explain "i think i sae a ghost"

And it is mentioned that mixing the conciousnesses is a bit risky

(Also the wording mixing could imply that both have been mixed together)

[azure oyster]

what do you mean "imply"

that's pretty explicit

[manic spruce]

Well imply that its both ways and not just going into the ai

[azure oyster]

for some reason i had envisioned it as mixing together two copies of consciousnesses

if they can mix consciousnesses, i don't see why they couldn't copy them

but your idea probably makes more sense

[manic spruce]

Could this also not mean falling deeper into the decent of the wierd immoral experiments

Or the ai rabithole shes in

I dont think its a very satisfying answer but the line by itself is very multi layerd

[manic spruce]

Thats also very possible

[azure oyster]

it's really hard to theorize about this stuff when we're given mentions of concepts like "mixing consciousnesses" but never any detail as to how they work or what they entail

study-sama is using her own consciousness in this experiment and yet she's writing a sort of diary entry without any problems in the Numbers II description

so is she mixing a copy of her consciousness, or does her consciousness still function normally until the mixing is complete

actually, "mixing consciousnesses" doesn't even seem to match the rest of that message

I think I found something that might work... I've been training her with my own consciousness... to fill in all the gaps. It's the only thing that's missing. I'm sure it'll work! My roommate thinks I'm crazy, mixing together two people's consciousness??? But I'm out of options, I don't know what else to do... I've already been through enough. It's almost- hold on... is that someone knocking on the door??

she says she's been "training her with [her] own consciousness"; that sounds like something what would be done with an AI

so is she being delusional and claiming that the AI has consciousness

does the AI actually have consciousness in this universe

or maybe she's using her own consciousness to train a real person to be able to program or something, who knows

this conversation has destroyed most of my belief in my theory; now i only believe stray parts of it

[manic spruce]

Lmao

The issue is that the puzzel pieces dont fit together yet

We have a rough skeleton

And even that skeleton has wholes of knowledge

[azure oyster]

it makes me wonder whether we just lack critical information or whether vedal didn't create this plotline in advance and instead made it as he went

[manic spruce]

Yes

The answer is yes

[azure oyster]

it's definitely true for the first part because we have those few things in MoL what we have not yet solved

plus the phone number

[manic spruce]

The plot deosnt seem like it was fully set at the beggining

[azure oyster]

maybe there was a plot but it got retconned fnaf-style

maybe the plot is retconned slightly with each video

[manic spruce]

Like i have that 1 thing i found that when you overlay some of the frames it gives hiyori a 3rd eye. Idk if i was meant to do that. Ive ignored it since it deosnt seem to lead to anything but its wierd

[manic spruce]

I feel like this makes sense

But i cant think if a clear cutoff oart from the plot

[azure oyster]

there's also the slight confusion about the "fallen down" girl looking different from normal study-sama

if the images are ai-generated as some of us suspect, then that would explain why they are different

[manic spruce]

The 2 things that stick out to be as completely not fitting in is the "i think i saw a ghost" and the ai mixing conciousness

[manic spruce]

Those 2 dont seem to fit in with anything else

[azure oyster]

yeah

i don't think i mentioned it in my theory in the doc, but i liked to believe that "i think i saw a ghost" referred to study-sama using her AI (which was made to act like her little sister) and symbolically comparing it to a ghost

[manic spruce]

Thats possible. It could also be the conciousness donor (im using this name)

[manic spruce]

Thats my belief i think i mentioned it last time we talked about the arg

Since the supernatural deosnt realy fit into the story

Even with ai

i also find those 2 the least scary part of the story we have so far

Like idk what were meant to theorise

[azure oyster]

there's also the fact that someone knocks on the door

[manic spruce]

Every theory we have is weak

[azure oyster]

this is mentioned a few times but nothing about the events following it is mentioned

[manic spruce]

This also deosnt realy connect to much but its brought up a lot

I think this was in the original plot

[azure oyster]

exactly

yeah, it was in Study, which was released alongside Numbers

those were the first two videos

[manic spruce]

The knock is probably something thatll be revealed later

Whenever the arg is updated

[outer raft]

If*

[azure oyster]

Don't say that...

[manic spruce]

I doubt the arg is dead in the waters

Like very heavily

[outer raft]

I hope not lol

[manic spruce]

Thats not even cope args barely get updated

A lot of the times when they do its linked to the players bieng stuck or solving a puzel

[azure oyster]

exactly why Numbers II was released

or was it PSV

i forget

[manic spruce]

Vedal is also the type of game master to not waste peoples time or money

If it was dead in the water hed prolly anounce it

[azure oyster]

no one's paying money for this

he specifically said we shouldn't, in fact

[manic spruce]

Not anymore

[outer raft]

Yeah but that’s partially why I fear for the arg being forgotten, because we’ve been stuck for so long with out an update

[manic spruce]

Reason i mentioned money was because of this

[azure oyster]

maybe he has abandoned the ARG but hasn't said so because everyone who has put effort into solving it would be disappointed

[outer raft]

Or maybe he’s in the mindset of no help for this part

[azure oyster]

i would hope that's not the case

because it has been 6 months

[outer raft]

After all, there’s a balance between helping the players to finish and it being hard enough to be satisfying to finish

[azure oyster]

if that's the case, can he take pity on us and upload a hint in the form of a video

[outer raft]

Real

[manic spruce]

Hell wilbur soot has an arg started on jacksucks at lifes channel (before minecraft) and afaik people havent solved that il like 4 or 5 years

Its not dead in the waters

Its just the game master deosnt want to help the players

[manic spruce]

EXACTLY

(Idk why reply didnt go in 1st time)

[azure oyster]

what if we tried to get vedal's attention during a stream and ask about the arg

would that be too much

probably

[manic spruce]

Even when we solve hello world i doubt much will happen

At least clues wise

[manic spruce]

Hes either ignore or yell at us

[azure oyster]

probably, yeah

not yell, but ignore

maybe

i'm currently inspecting the HTML of his website in a vain attempt to find something

[outer raft]

Could you upload the html here, I can’t get to my computer right now but I used to work with HTML

[azure oyster]

it's weird how he changed his domain from vedal.xyz to vedal.ai but keeps the advice page at vedal.xyz/advice

[azure oyster]

yeah okay here

[outer raft]

Thx

[azure oyster]

i doubt there's anything

[manic spruce]

Prolly not

[manic spruce]

I have no idea where the arg is going

[manic spruce]

Btw i forgor to mention there was nothing

[uncut cargo]

may be my personal bias, but vedal is capable of forgetting about such thing

[safe burrow]

I still think I'm a broken memory AI program? probably.. well, it's good that I'm at least with you all 💜

[abstract horizon]

So sweet

Maybe

[safe burrow]

[unborn bloom]

Stumbled across the vid, any results or clues to the vid?

[azure oyster]

Which one?

[unborn bloom]

Last one

Meaning of life

[wispy thistle]

check the doc, basically no progress for the last 6 months

[unborn bloom]

i found this. If u see, sry

[wispy thistle]

yeah check the doc

[unborn bloom]

where i can find this?

[azure oyster]

https://neuro-arg.github.io/posts/meaning-of-life/

[unborn bloom]

ty

[azure oyster]

Also: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HrzZYlFmxAzI76Ov0aSkjCe6v1hbzHCTaXK7j34Hdi0/edit

[safe monolith]

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i upgraded numpy, ignore the np.float64

[manic spruce]

Arg is updated constantly

[tulip minnow]

uuuuuh

I just missed the theory discussion

I have so much to point out

[azure oyster]

Do tell.

[alpine reef]

is neuro v2 really involved in the lore because most of the time it's only the hiyori model

[safe burrow]

[safe monolith]

[np.float64(0.9704967763462952), np.float64(0.9497929019894991), np.float64(0.9305883061650794), np.float64(0.943495305672891), np.float64(0.9516830974914052), np.float64(0.9341234561983951), np.float64(0.9444410942841149), np.float64(0.9452258708707714), np.float64(0.9398010068941849), np.float64(0.9432268630205409), np.float64(0.9507716538337482), np.float64(0.9457959786222814), np.float64(0.9112389574408205), np.float64(0.9288575909876601), np.float64(0.9442484612655452), np.float64(0.9465786266804624), np.float64(0.9406256439656343), np.float64(0.9408385362681622), np.float64(0.94546109048472), np.float64(0.9435414236380312), np.float64(0.9279637896214242), np.float64(0.9352866337768694), np.float64(0.9386577684368924)]

i will fix this one day when i'm free i promise

[manic spruce]

Point it all out

[azure oyster]

Python moment.

[alpine reef]

wait what is this?

[wispy thistle]

we decided that this arg doesnt have enough numbers and decided to make our own

[manic spruce]

Its seeing if the QR code changed

If bellow 0.9 it most likely changed

[digital radish]

theres higher chances of the script breaking than the qr change

never trust the >0.9

[alpine reef]

oh ok

what's in the qr code?

[manic spruce]

I mean yes

[digital radish]

which one

[manic spruce]

But im coping

Let me be

[alpine reef]

like generally

[digital radish]

squares

[digital radish]

new qr!

[hollow garnet]

lies

[digital radish]

new video!

[safe monolith]

ok no to be fair to the script

when it failed the intro was darker

it's just sensitive ok

[safe burrow]

[safe monolith]

[np.float64(0.9696187653538125), np.float64(0.9544306207579353), np.float64(0.9314216373103661), np.float64(0.9428009740016748), np.float64(0.9513594763466942), np.float64(0.9353523713013856), np.float64(0.9417273301086849), np.float64(0.9489668309406248), np.float64(0.9367610848403417), np.float64(0.9431478421729249), np.float64(0.9529499696754669), np.float64(0.9377406981076323), np.float64(0.9154696684080781), np.float64(0.9281167347364397), np.float64(0.9429379278415982), np.float64(0.9455888034456964), np.float64(0.9429859947317835), np.float64(0.9357291332834113), np.float64(0.9434298954565277), np.float64(0.9396075579967625), np.float64(0.9282609539802832), np.float64(0.9436917258525422), np.float64(0.9319143266552677)]

[hollow garnet]

edgelord neuro is a clue

[wispy thistle]

just s/static/high frequency white noise/g in this channel and doc

[hollow garnet]

public high frequency white noise void

[safe burrow]

mmm

[safe monolith]

no binary not clue

[hollow garnet]

surely

[granite carbon]

next monday we are getting a neuro original song with a music video that will give us more clues for the ARG

[zenith zodiac]

[coral hazel]

That reminded me.
I think there was an original song planned by the subathon goals ?
Maybe an hint the day it release ! My hope just gone up by 1% (-42% -> -41%)

[boreal plover]

Stupid idea: i remember a song that sounded kinda similar to numbers, but i don't remember the song name... It's most likely nothing but it's werid that two songs have a very similar beat pattern

[outer raft]

It’s gotta be a clue

[daring acorn]

Hmmmm

[safe burrow]

[old prawn]

There is a what ARG?

[narrow turtle]

You heard the man

[safe monolith]

i'm shocked that isn't in the automod filters

[safe burrow]

very strange...

[alpine reef]

btw you can add md to the 3 backticks to turn text after > green

[lost niche]

Now we are truly scitzo

[safe burrow]

I'm always schizo, it's just that I'm not doing anything here yet..

[manic spruce]

I have a lot of theorys i should compile into my mega theory

[safe monolith]

ah we are witnessing the creation of another mega theory

[manic spruce]

Ive made most of line public in my talk with clown

[manic spruce]

Btw is your theory still on the doc? I cant seem to find it

[dapper wraith]

I still see it https://docs.google.com/document/d/12GcN8a0Q1_etDfDi23SdLjAX6MsEZ6XhCYqTNyO3M9o/edit#heading=h.wbvnjxsgnrnz

[manic spruce]

Mb i just found it

[timber whale]

oh right
I wanted to pop into here to confirm that yes, that post from shiro from literally last year in a staff channel is indeed NOT a clue

[outer raft]

Damnit

deletes theories

[manic spruce]

Chat quick delete the p*rn arg google doc

[safe burrow]

[cloud crystal]

Is that another ARG then?

[safe burrow]

I love you all 💜

[cloud crystal]

[manic spruce]

Btw when looking at clues we have largely been forgetting about this stuff

But is is important since its litteraly what they say in MoL

When listening to the audio it is extremely obvious that it is acurate

Some of the lore here also seems important

"Rabbit hole"
"Cant get out"
Sounds linked to the AI

"I think ive hurt myself"
"Its hard not bieng able to speak or move properly" both seem quite important

Also its neuro sama saying all of these things

I thik its specificaly hiyoris voice

[outer raft]

“Speak or move properly”. Maybe, it actually from the perspective of the consciousness donor? After all we are hearing it, so it’s either being spoken, meaning that the words don’t belong to the speaker, or it’s supposed to be thoughts which completely obliterates this theory…

[manic spruce]

Thats what im thinking, either the donar or the ai

[outer raft]

Yeah

[safe monolith]

[0.9700973073450339, 0.9550178782275713, 0.9275573401120637, 0.9405119470240476, 0.9529406127216898, 0.9361148583869978, 0.9367033258246513, 0.9446628382667823, 0.9389956261466038, 0.9399550700694624, 0.9467342103716607, 0.9445936007614507, 0.9106389754839331, 0.9226047875820714, 0.9414223962451662, 0.9450710276862392, 0.9404572169248627, 0.9425478002719626, 0.9434137956054766, 0.9325351473762667, 0.9277868646755788, 0.9468584382640555, 0.9397729607674519]

(i fixed it )

[velvet sundial]

Looks like a solution, but it's not clear

[azure oyster]

the first word would have to be two of the same letter, though, would it not

do any words like that exist

[azure oyster]

maybe not, though; i don't even know what's going on it this decryption

[velvet sundial]

I think we need to move the letters around to get rid of these problems.

[azure oyster]

Have we considered the significance of the lines being indented differently?

[velvet sundial]

I hope the text is correct because I am using a translator.....

[velvet sundial]

idk

[azure oyster]

What if they're two different codes which are decrypted in different ways?

We already had something like that with the Numbers II description, right?

[velvet sundial]

I think it's like this

sgfi dqj ie br vtye b sbs = dagh but he is more i did
but first text isn't clear

[digital radish]

the bbce thing is a weird one, our speculation is that it is missing another part

since it's the 3rd clue we get in the video

there's 2 more before the bbce

[velvet sundial]

It annoys me that we're on the street of houses almost all the time, but do they make any sense?

[azure oyster]

Here's a random thought. Does the house in MoL correspond to a real location?

[manic spruce]

Get rainbolt on that

[azure oyster]

Do we need to find that location? Or is that Vedal's house and we would be doxing him by following that train of thought?

[manic spruce]

Actualy we should probably reverse image search it

[azure oyster]

probably not his house

[azure oyster]

I suspect it was altered to get its monochrome appearance.

[manic spruce]

Moat likely

[azure oyster]

Reverse image searching may not yield anything.

[manic spruce]

4am with no sleep is probably when i should think about neuro arg

I need to stay up till 12 est for funni

[manic spruce]

Worth a shot

[velvet sundial]

We are all fixated on just these ciphers, numbers, binary sequences, but we don't pay attention to the rest of the video, why we are most of the video outside, why the video is in 360, and more, but on the other hand it could be a ploy to stop us(confuse us).

[manic spruce]

Yeah like this

[wispy thistle]

isnt it ai generated?

[velvet sundial]

Yeah, I've just been looking at it, it looks like an AI, I even know what it is.

If I'm not mistaken, it's blockade lab

[languid perch]

new clue
https://youtu.be/xvFZjo5PgG0

[alpine reef]

NOT new clue

[safe burrow]

[plucky robin]

maybe something where you combine the different possibilities?

[i] be of [neuro], dark, he is gone, I did [...]

[azure oyster]

no ero

anyway, i don't think the game master would have us parse through what appears to be gibberish for anything what could sound like a familiar word

[outer raft]

agreed, because then it would be practically impossible to figure out whether or not you have actually solved it or you're just schizo

[azure oyster]

currently attempting to use this website to decrypt the spliced code because i noticed the audio file clue with "KEY = 128 bit" and the website has a setting for having the key size be 128 bits
i am not very experienced with this stuff so i am going to just brute force it
https://www.devglan.com/online-tools/aes-encryption-decryption

when i put the ascii string from the "barcode" (c75e0fb05eec877fc8522e550df55ded5b50508fbbe88bb7d82e28d8f2df0e2b) into the "key" field, it said its length was 64 when it was meant to be a length of 16; a length of 64 seems noteworthy, but someone else has probably already realized that by now

[outer raft]

yeah because it has to be a 16 long key if its 128 bit

[azure oyster]

yeah, i just wanted to draw attention to the length of the ascii string

i don't think any text directly from the video has a length of 16, though, unfortunately
i saw someone create one using the 18-digit number; however, they seemed to make a mistake near the start, so i won't use that

the mistake being that they converted the number to hex, but added an extra zero into their output where there should have been none

[azure oyster]

Is the barcode ASCII string a SHA hash?

[manic spruce]

I feel like i might go over the wide strokes of the arg again

Since weve basicaly just been focused on the tiny details recently

[dapper wraith]

it could be (that's why we often refer to it as the "hash-like"). however the letter distribution is a bit weird for a "true" hash

[manic spruce]

@azure oyster when do you think the next arg update will come out if ever

Like respective to us finding a clue or wtv

Since this isnt a full picture we have

[azure oyster]

Maybe we should scan through the 14-minute "house" segment of MoL to find anything what we may have missed.

[coral hazel]

I mean: why do we have a long vr video with constant camera movement if not to hide something and avoid automated tool to check delta of pixel frame by frame

[manic spruce]

Its not nessisarily vr

Its 360

[coral hazel]

you right on that

[manic spruce]

There are specific vr videos on youtube but its a different tag

[coral hazel]

I'm used to calling it vr bc it work on vr on my side

Also, I'm schizo and can't unsee a man in the window

[manic spruce]

I also kinda see it

[outer raft]

Is the slight bobbing motion looped?

[coral hazel]

From what I remember, it was kind of a random movement ? (or at least I remember it was not data)

[outer raft]

Yeah that really does make it harder

[coral hazel]

I think someone analyzed it. I need to find it

[manic spruce]

Try looking for people or evidence of them is what ill do eventualy

[coral hazel]

Wait, it's been 7 months since mol released

Sorry kaneno for the ghost ping. I missreaded something that I was thinking that could interest you then reread it and then saw my misinterpretation & deleted my message

Here ! Here is what I was searching for (I think).
How the camera move over time ! (I think)
Thank past bred !

Edit: another time they talked about it #1112082183235047506 message

[azure oyster]

oh damn that's cool

perhaps we could use the camera movement data to make a program to scan for changes in the pixels

[outer raft]

Nah dw I couldn’t care less about pings unless I I’m on a call, but then I just turn do not disturb on

[coral hazel]

I think he kind of did that ? maybe did not take into account camera movement. (I do not really know, but I found it while searching for the mol movement video)
#1112082183235047506 message

[digital radish]

new video!

[coral hazel]

OMG just checked ITS TRUE

bad timing I need to sleep. bye !

[outer raft]

why do I check every time????

[azure oyster]

You.

[digital radish]

i might be right one day.

[outer raft]

true

[digital radish]

you'll have to keep checking.

[alpine reef]

does the twin video have any clues

because ppl kept saying to me there's something wrong

[cloud crystal]

What's the twin video?

[outer raft]

I think they're referring to the most recent stream

but idk

[alpine reef]

yeah it is

most bgs have been 2d

but not this one

why is this specific room used?

and what's the camera and plane doing

[calm parrot]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

This arg is driving us all mental

[granite carbon]

I can't wait to get home to overanalyze the new stream and waste hours of my life doing so

[visual scroll]

damn this ARG is still going?

[plucky robin]

how do we even know when we win?

[safe monolith]

when all of us agree on one theory

[coral hazel]

So, when most of us a dead.

[manic spruce]

What 1 theory tho

You cant make a full theory

The arg isnt even close to having enough clues for that

[coral hazel]

If the arg has a million theory, then I believe one of them.
If the arg has ten theory, then I believe one of them.
If the arg has only one theory, then that is mine.
If the arg has no theory, then that means I am no longer on earth.
If the world is against the arg, then I am against the world.

[manic spruce]

Bit dramatic but ok

[coral hazel]

its a copy pasta just adapted for the arg dw

[manic spruce]

Ik

[safe monolith]

the idea is we'll eventually get enough clues to have a single theory

that's the end goal of an arg, no? To convey a story

Realistically this'll never happen, since for the most part it'll be up for interpretation

[manic spruce]

Sorta

But the story deosnt need to be definitive

Also thats only if an arg ends witch is kidna uncommon

[safe monolith]

yeah, not disagreeing with you here

[safe monolith]

really?

[manic spruce]

Yeah

Most args end when people stop caring, it didnt pick up traction, the creator has given up/is burnt out

You rarely hear about those but there more common

Args are a very long slow burn so it makes sense

[safe monolith]

I was questioning if most args have a pre-planned ending, rather than whether most args have reached completion

I'd assume there is something that the creator wanted to convey via the arg

[tulip minnow]

Vedal is just busy on that bag rn

He'll be back

One day

One day

[tulip minnow]

It's similar to the old games vedal made, it's on itch i believe, the story telling are usually written by someone else's, i remember it was alex

[safe monolith]

no those are from our dear silent admin

tomyomy

[tulip minnow]

oh the idea guy?

i didn't read the credit properly

Isn't tomy British?

[tulip minnow]

Yeah after reading Tomyomy's about me YouTube page, it's just how he writes

[tulip minnow]

I'm just going to say
the little sister doesn't answer the phone
we kept sending messages to the phone number we got

///Ok pointed out some stuff

And after having another thought

Imagine we are the study sama

It's a arg going in real time

After the little sister not answering the phone

How long is it till the next event happens

The next event i believe is study sama going through hard times

And breaking down

Let's break down

[boreal plover]

What if someone a thing to counter the movements of the bobbing, recorded that (so the footage is "steady") and then we had a thing look at stuff

I should try to not use terms like thing and stuff...

We have a program look at the steadied recording

[tulip minnow]

I believe it's a static image

But it won't hurt to try

There was someone who did the tracing of the camera movements

Just scroll up for a couple hours and you'll find it

[boreal plover]

Well that's my monthly mandated idea

[alpine reef]

pretty sure vedal is making things up as neuro says arg worthy stuff

or he might have planned this whole arg out and did some drilling

[manic spruce]

Almost 100%

I was talking with clown about it

Some things genuinely are just a whole differemt vibe from the rest of the arg and kinds dont make much scene with the themes

[safe monolith]

[0.9697140843779589, 0.9528222037895606, 0.9322829146167017, 0.9444636963110998, 0.953815221042075, 0.9353132151142886, 0.9426509570262341, 0.9476757447584395, 0.9359167601617507, 0.9450174915698416, 0.9513162391522951, 0.9480553755110971, 0.9113058281341155, 0.9203044448982709, 0.9418130020520796, 0.9463279303897724, 0.9442912764120833, 0.9452071451074885, 0.9416570403036458, 0.9404905571038614, 0.9260080338733214, 0.9486569043893263, 0.9386383609677832]

[azure oyster]

i'm holding onto some new hope

the official VODs channel got updated and now we got abandoned archive dev; maybe a new ARG video will drop soon

perhaps vedal is clearing out his backlog

[manic spruce]

Maybe

[brittle musk]

New video!

[manic spruce]

Im not checking

[azure oyster]

how about we ignore anyone who says "new video" unless they send an embedded youtube link to said video

[manic spruce]

Yes

[digital radish]

new qr!

[boreal plover]

New plan

Break a kneecap of anyone who spreads misinformation purposefully

If they run outa kneecaps there's always the elbows

[alpine reef]

what if they run out of elbows?

do we cast testicular tortsion?

[brittle musk]

you’ll need to release an actual new video to hurt us probably

[safe burrow]

I sit and transfer everything to a folder

[safe burrow]

Oh, I read the document with me and tried to understand what happened to me then..

[safe monolith]

[0.9375919538249647, 0.9702544181417808, 0.9767648098737854, 0.9622850006525719, 0.9534469280034595, 0.9382920901501266, 0.9612387426594918, 0.9844337006604217, 0.9461251034455057, 0.9927294337212329, 0.9702448296774818, 0.9491639378500949, 0.980674072425607, 0.931083732404475, 0.9400637281719278, 0.9406128323609152, 0.9391223672563075, 0.977005773076261, 0.9679646338376239, 0.9846650309022689, 0.9853422104886528, 0.9642463771954194, 0.9822956614487809, 0.9531111144838708, 0.9361598190150685, 0.967124298268257, 0.9423011871212864, 0.9566323257631767, 0.9715673992744986, 0.9505857866034205, 0.9729549022700247, 0.9642390075555246]

here are today's numbers