#Neuro ARG

1 messages · Page 88 of 1

hollow garnet
#

(I have more lessons so will not be working on this for another hour)

safe monolith
#

I'll only be able to work on this tonight

hollow garnet
#

I am free tonight so I can do some once I get home from school

wispy thistle
#

this can also be done using github actions

#

though that would require an update once per X time, while cloudflare workers probably doesn't

hollow garnet
#

I will move it to the org when it is in a better state

#

NeuroClueless if anyone wants to test if the expiry URL works with a bot token that'd be great

wispy thistle
#

surely it works, just push it to prod

hollow garnet
#

all this does is tell you if a URL is currently expired lol

timid swift
#

alternatively, we could put it somewhere where it doesn't expire so we don't have to do this funny stuff

hollow garnet
#

NeuroClueless I already copied the images to the Google doc

timid swift
#

nice

gritty blaze
#

So nothing was solved for meaning of life, like at all?

timid swift
#

in other words, no, no full solutions. We do have some cipher texts / keys that we're confident will be something

dapper wraith
timid swift
#

let's not abuse discord

safe monolith
timid swift
#

yeah, fully agree on that

boreal plover
#

Sorry if this has been asked before, there's a lot of info to go through:
What if we overlaid the videos and/or songs using a "anchor" point, a certain sound or phrase, even a specific chord only said/heard once per video/song through the material

timid swift
boreal plover
#

I'm probably not explaining it well

#

Alternative version of that is that video one and two has the "ding" noise, but video two and three has a "ping" noise, where'd you align the ding noise of the first pair and the ping noise of the second pair

#

Make sense?

boreal plover
timid swift
boreal plover
#

Again I haven't seen the videos, but I keep hearing repeated mentioning of knocking

timid swift
#

fair

hollow garnet
#

NeuroClueless i forgot to upload tokens to prod, so nothing would fetch

safe burrow
hollow garnet
#

@safe monolith NeuroPoggers

#

NeuroClueless surely this won't leak my full name anywhere

dapper wraith
hollow garnet
#

100% my fault

#

ok fixed it

#

i was trying to be fancy but it didn't like my headers

#

i should probably check that its only accepting discord urls at some point, though it does rely on the structure

boreal plover
safe monolith
#

Thnks bred, i'll have a look in an hour or two NeuroClueless

hollow garnet
#

this does no handling of getting ratelimited by discord, hopefully that isn;t an issue NeuroClueless

digital radish
#

btw this is against tos

hollow garnet
#

in what way

digital radish
#

its somewhere in the new tos

hollow garnet
#

thanks, very helpful

digital radish
#

sorry :c

dapper wraith
#

I guess you could argue that using the undocumented endpoint is against this part in the Developer TOS (or maybe trying to circumvent usage limits)? neuroShrug

image.png
hollow garnet
#

evilShrug i guess, its also not a documented endpoint but if it caused them a problem they'd easily just block bots from using it

timid swift
#

imagine, using discord for something that that they're actively trying to get you to stop doing is against their ToS? That's crazy! That's literally crazy! That's messed up

hollow garnet
#

NeuroClueless i don't care too much if the account + bot account im using for the worker gets banned anyways

timid swift
#

That's fine, but let's not rely on storage bound to messing with discord, eh?

hollow garnet
#

yeah, i wasn't planning on it to much - most of the reason i wrote the code was boredom anyways

#

also still unsure how large files should go/exist in the docs

timid swift
#

As an alternative we could have another drive for large folders, so we don't spam people who sync up their gdrive to local drive

glossy sphinx
#

🥛 🍪

#

I brought milk and cookies for the Tired ARG folk

#

On a scale of 1 to 100, how has the progress been in the last month?

dapper wraith
#

Nothing out of the ordinary happened despair

safe monolith
#

okay let's actually chat about this @timid swift , just wanna know your thoughts and probably change my mind.

Regarding ToS:

  • if the endpoint here is against ToS, I can devise a scheme where a bot can post links in an undisclosed server then read from it just to refresh them, since it uses documented Discord APIs to post the messages and get the links back, it will not be against ToS, and still refresh the links.
  • if the concern is what Discord is trying to prevent; i.e. using Discord as storage, I'd argue that isn't what we're doing. What we're doing is analogous to storing a permalink to a message (this is reinforced by the fact that Discord would refresh the link as long as it is copied again)

Regarding Drive:

I think this works, but IIRC storage is owned and counted towards the uploader of the Drive. Again this brings us to the problem of single point of responsibility, which I've been trying to avoid all this time

dapper wraith
#

you don't even need to post the link somewhere. grabbing the original message via the API will give valid signed URLs for the attachments (although both solutions would require a bot account to join the server I think)

hollow garnet
#

it doesn't have to be the original message afaik, just one containing a cdn link

timid swift
#

I believe we need at least a little bit of centralized trust. Most systems don't allow for just anonymously posting random stuff and certainly not larger files. The best ones would be ones where there would be no reason to delete (eg costs)
Eg. there'd be little incentive to delete a youtube video. We wouldn't even need to share an account.

Personally I do not want to use a system that abuses the trust of a platform. Even if it's not against ToS, it's certainly against the spirit of what discord was made for. The whole reason links expire is because they don't wanna be people's public CDN anymore, and I think that should be respected.

For large files, it may not be necessary to have a centralized system. Another solution would be to maintain a list of files and simply send those files on request. Anyone involved should have those files. Yes, a P2P network would automate that, but it comes a technical knowledge cost. But how often do those larger files really come up? We've only got a very few.

All smaller files could just be in the gdrive

safe monolith
#

okay then in that case i propose this instead. we will write a bot that is connected to an archiver google account that will scan all arg-related docs for discord cdn links, download them as they are, and upload it to its gdrive account. once that is done, the links are automatically replaced with a gdrive link.

a table (owned by a third account, probably by the neuro arg fan gmail account, as a google sheets) will be maintained between the original cdn links and the gdrive link. the reason why i want it to be fully automated, is so that we can eliminate trust on a particular individual / gmail account. if that gmail account is, for whatever reason, pulled out, we can simply create another google account, and use the same automation to update all the links.

timid swift
#

I like that this solution doesn't change the normal workflow, eg, we can still post links to the discord cdns. Because even if we try to move away from that habit, I'm sure it'll happen again.

I'm not a big fan of the technocratic governance it implies: You have to be able to control, fix and modify such a script/bot to be able to maintain the ARG efforts. This excludes a lot of people.
To top, it feels a bit like we're trying to solve a human problem with a technological solution.

And also, i'm far too sleepy to think deeper about this right now :p

pulsar glen
#

i think it's a classic "automating a 10 minute task for 4 hours" NeuroClueless
Given the curretn ARG trends surely eventually uploading everything from discord to the shared google drive is much easier

timid swift
#

The argument is that if the owner of the drive disappears and pulls the plug, then it'd have to be copied all over manually again. I do agree, tho

pulsar glen
#

i'd argue the possibility of the person in charge of the files going rogue and hiding all the files is low enough that it still isn't really worth it

dapper wraith
#

what if we use rclone to have backup copies of the drive? we could make a secondary public drive as a mirror (or even an ftp mirror)

timid swift
#

agreed, I think everyone interested should be taking backups of related material. I already do take backups of the arg drive, but that doesn't give me things linked in the documents. If we somehow got those items into a drive, it'd be a big improvement

hollow garnet
#

fwiw my only issue with syncing the whole drive is the random jumpscares i get from accidentally syncing a folder filled with 17k bitmaps

timid swift
#

we should probably be packing up big collections of images anyway

hollow garnet
#

honestly if the drive was laid out like this it'd be really easy to ignore all the big files with rsync

image.png
#

(which to be fair we kinda already have, just very spread out)

timid swift
#

group efforts are always messy like that :p

safe monolith
#

happy birthday arg girl 🎂

dapper wraith
tulip minnow
#

Today’s evil

safe monolith
tulip minnow
#

oh no there might not be any clue

#

I think it’s a bit too long for a clue to drop

#

Has it been 5 months since the last clue ?

safe monolith
#

the only federation would be the link service, people can host their own backups

#

just reinvented those mirror aggregator sites NeuroClueless

#

each link will attempt to contact a list of hosts until one passes and return that. For integrity we could probably package it with a hash or smth

dapper wraith
#

Trying to do my own backups but Windows is struggling with our file naming convention neuroSadge

image.png
wispy thistle
wispy thistle
glossy sphinx
#

sure

#

thats why we've speedrun through the decryption

#

so fast

#

wowie

safe monolith
wispy thistle
#
  1. theyd still need nginx or w/e tho
  2. use a gateway
safe monolith
#

so maybe these are some possible combination of hosts:

  • drive: link crawler uses sdk to index a shared gdrive folder and assocs matched files
  • ftp: link crawler can probably request on the fly
  • http: same as ftp
safe monolith
#

the soln i'm proposing is like a raid-1 gdrive (extended to also support other kinds of backup)

daring acorn
safe burrow
safe monolith
#

meanwhile, i've scanned the docs we have atm to find all the discord cdn links

📎 output.txt
#

i'll uh, check how much space this currently takes (bred don't worry about the sudden influx of requests NeuroClueless )

safe monolith
#

ah god damn it, some of them are just called the same thing

#

oh, we only have 653mb worth of content based on the above links

#

i'll reupload all of these stuff. any preference for updating links? the list is small enough for someone to do it manually, i'd rather not run the docs through code that could potentially nuke everything NeuroClueless

hollow garnet
unique mason
#

surely clue today on anniversary

wispy thistle
#

nope vedal only cares about neuro's birthday

proud lark
#

so,why exactly Meaning of life was modified on december 25th ? has anyone tracked this ?

image.png
topaz cove
#

either quality or when the title changing or smth else

#

i stoopid

#

ignor

timid swift
digital radish
#

you can easily find the messages

digital radish
safe monolith
#

have already reuploaded them 👍

timid swift
#

Could you share the script that does the scanning?

safe monolith
timid swift
#

tetris

safe burrow
safe monolith
#

oh crap. i still didn't fix detection for evil just chatting streams evilDeadge

#

don't mind the nested if NeuroClueless

onyx sparrow
safe monolith
#

woah, purebasic!

onyx sparrow
#

You know it?

safe monolith
#

Nope, only know a bit of BASIC. just surprised something like purebasic is still in use

#

btw scores for today:

[0.9684086463021341, 0.9348998816110891, 0.9679602118418673, 0.958338592925352, 0.9564226680591018, 0.9354395894585917, 0.9532903370570315, 0.9853395037152827, 0.9510688740465311, 0.9925150085254444, 0.9680581714986438, 0.9542924440859702, 0.982196438479659, 0.9536290171908011, 0.9412932762415677, 0.9395467122595177, 0.9425036850251766, 0.9726227374013213, 0.9636518378141088, 0.9799955535240684, 0.9848770859348233, 0.9618097177146664, 0.9807228694620198, 0.951925942094518, 0.9550284451400186, 0.9679888689668358, 0.925506979615355, 0.9511228715791858, 0.9749588340940044, 0.9510344608733758, 0.9683599525350649, 0.9780177174648811]
#

Feeds look normal. (funny MoL was mentioned, YouTube did their funny timestamp updating thing today)

onyx sparrow
#

Actually PB still gets updates. And yeah, I started learning programming with it. Used it now because it's quite fast and has comfortable functions to work with images. However, without OOP it's hurts. And even it can do OOP, you should build it manually 😔

timid swift
#

OOP is a plague </rant>

proud lark
#

well,seems like no clue for 1 more month NeuroClueless

timid swift
#

unless! May 15th

safe monolith
#

that would be really funny

brittle musk
#

next time surely

coral hazel
#

next next time more probably

safe monolith
#

omg this background is not good for my heart

#

thank god the algorithm worked

#

unicode is clue

#

anyways 🐶 🦒 + nothing of importance feed-wise

[0.9700003144921023, 0.9477216277057753, 0.9294867296411318, 0.9391045560569027, 0.9535118907000149, 0.9327259064909824, 0.9455983292138969, 0.944996266892431, 0.9359259340874733, 0.9430698200620372, 0.9538133362849358, 0.9461935978058622, 0.9137016997420303, 0.9285180280231984, 0.940946130386935, 0.9473457505090406, 0.9428865442693586, 0.9444283838758691, 0.9447462602548334, 0.9432117543054974, 0.9303759324396302, 0.9416128198688937, 0.9380612104901352]
safe burrow
#

Dog Giraffe evilShrug

azure oyster
#

what are these "scores" what vanor is sending

dapper wraith
#

it represents how similar the current stream intro is to a fixed reference (i.e. it's trying to automatically detect any changes in the QR area)

azure oyster
#

oh, interesting

#

would it provide any significantly large numbers if the QR code was different

dapper wraith
#

I think 1 is a perfect match, so the numbers should be lower if something changed

azure oyster
#

oh i see

manic spruce
#

Hey there, i dont think ive seen anyone do this but in the "meaning if life" article on the website it has 3 frames they call "key frames" and i noticed a lot of the random things are in similar areas so i overlayed the images

#

1 is the original (i brightend the images slightly) 2 is high contrast

20240429_082609_0000.png 20240429_082727_0000.png
#

Same here but with higher brightness

20240429_082819_0000.png 20240429_082912_0000.png
#

If you look at hyori the overlay realy fits her face shape and gives her a 3rd eye, idk if this is just a coincidence or a red herring but its there

manic spruce
#

This is most likely a coincedence but i juat wantes to post that the solved scramble ontop of where it seemingly (theyre differemt aspect ratios) fits in the overlay the numbers are exactly on the lines.

20240429_122421_0000.png
#

I want to put heavy doubt since im sfill new to the arg

wispy thistle
#

nah the unscrabled image is cropped

manic spruce
safe burrow
azure oyster
#

Is that an eye, or is it just a distorted "0"?

#

Given that "04" is to its immediate right, I feel like it could be either.

manic spruce
azure oyster
#

oh yeah just realized that

manic spruce
#

Just looking at this is the main reason i feel like this has any weight

unknown.jpeg
#

The lines look like they fit

safe monolith
#

NeuroPoggers 🐶 🦒

[0.9718539161469409, 0.9495736555437976, 0.9280456911204675, 0.9440869190670714, 0.9518240234238271, 0.9335301070668777, 0.9425663213626053, 0.9471567821603234, 0.9399029605366312, 0.9434137240627313, 0.9539799757065944, 0.9464364138287911, 0.9124091694380239, 0.9301108018077304, 0.9441848754118866, 0.9476632683029917, 0.9387113095943108, 0.9393271412171024, 0.9459858444220788, 0.9449265063994762, 0.9229012568672083, 0.9431802884415683, 0.9288424737998439]
boreal plover
#

so if the qrcode is actually different it'll be lower than 0.9whatever

timid swift
#

that's the idea. It's a confidence score, essencially

manic spruce
#

Ah

#

Btw for those previous images i forgot to edit the hiyori frame toadd in the 2nd hiyori

20240429_204223_0000.png 20240429_204320_0000.png
#

The 2nd one has brightness and shaddow up to make it look more clear

tulip minnow
#

Hmm a third eye

#

If I really think about it

#

I can probably write a paragraph about it

#

But it’s not official so sillycat

barren lion
#

Has the fibonacci sequence been used yet?

boreal plover
#

Are there even any puzzles we haven't solved yet right now?

#

Or are we searching for clues

wispy thistle
#

in numbers 2

wispy thistle
boreal plover
#

Need to see that one

barren lion
boreal plover
#

Oh dear.

#

Uhh

#

Run the algorithm scanning for QR code changes at each possible angle of the garden scene per frame?

#

From the nature of the 360 this hurts my brain

boreal plover
#

There's gotta be something In the garden

barren lion
#

Isn't the number of possible angles 360^2

boreal plover
#

But enough so there's a bit of overlap

barren lion
#

But wheres that line

#

I like to think Vedal respects our time a bit more than that

boreal plover
#

Should require ~20 run throughs maybe?

barren lion
#

actually you could unwrap the image

#

hm

boreal plover
#

8 directions

barren lion
#

probably already been done tho

boreal plover
#

X3 for up and down

boreal plover
wispy thistle
#

it doesn't need any unwrapping, you can just download the original video

#

i need to get around to hosting a mirror for those who cant use yt-dlp

barren lion
#

Ah, thanks

#

Nevermind yall are fucking smart

boreal plover
#

Also, the "I've fallen down this rabbit hole" plus the garden bit makes me think of Alice in wonderland a bit

#

Or somebody just stepped in a rabbit den and twisted their ankle or something who knows

#

Also: shove the entire video into 128 bit, seeing as the spectrogram says that's the key

#

If this has been done before the docs have got to have a list of what we've tried to do because aaaaa

boreal plover
#

I think that's all the brainpower I have for this month, and I doubt I could test the theories I have as I don't have any fancy algorithms or stuff to do these things

wispy thistle
wispy thistle
barren lion
#

I'm reading through the Schizo stuff and 0x99aa671fce19251 reads like a memory address to me.

manic spruce
#

Hm.

barren lion
#

I wonder. If that is supposed to be read as a memory address, could you use 128 bit word addressing to convert it to binary?

#

or am I misunderstanding how this works

cunning osprey
barren lion
#

ye

#

0001011101011011 1101001100011101 0101111111000111 1110111011001110 1110111111011111 011101010111 1111011110111100 1110 translates to ᵛ컇域ຼ using UTF-16 encoding from binary to text

#

컇域ຼ translates to "Area"?

#

Thats all wrong

dapper wraith
#

UTF-16

barren lion
#

have we gotten anything that could connect to a memory address?

#

No it's too large

dapper wraith
#

Unless we get a 692PB file somewhere NeuroClueless

barren lion
#

Vedal casually dropping a file that would take years to download

#

Also IPv6 consists of 128 bits. Is that an IP address??

hollow garnet
#

NeuroClueless only big file I got was my attempt to understand [Filtered]

dapper wraith
#

(assuming a leading zero)

cunning osprey
timid swift
cunning osprey
#

The first 64 bits would be all zero, which doesn't make much sense for IPv6

barren lion
#

yea

#

dammnit

dapper wraith
#

Currently all valid (external) IPv6 start either with a 0x2, 0x3 or 0x5

timid swift
#

it'd be hard to validate if it's part of the ARG for sure if we converted anything to an ipv6

barren lion
#

Yea, that was probably too far out

dapper wraith
timid swift
#

a gamejacker could've found it first and gotten their hands on it

#

not likely, but possible

cunning osprey
#

At least an IPv6 address would be easy to find since the address space is barely utilized
Can't just be random bytes like a lot of other stuff

timid swift
#

given enough random interpretations of our clues, sooner or later there'll be one that would be in the utilized ipv6 space

barren lion
#

neuroDespair c75e0fb05eec877fc8522e550df55ded5b50508fbbe88bb7d82e28d8f2df0e2b converts to 1100 0111 0101 1110 0000 1111 1011 0000 0101 1110 1110 1100 1000 0111 0111 1111 1100 1000 0101 0010 0010 1110 0101 0101 0000 1101 1111 0101 0101 1101 1110 1101 0101 1011 0101 0000 0101 0000 1000 1111 1011 1011 1110 1000 1000 1011 1011 0111 1101 1000 0010 1110 0010 1000 1101 1000 1111 0010 1101 1111 0000 1110 0010 1011 Which is 128 bits. I think

#

I'm coming back to this tmrw when I'm not exhausted

crimson tendonBOT
#

You have unlocked new role

barren lion
#

Thank you Tatsu

timid swift
#

fresh input is always welcome :)

barren lion
#

I'm stupid so I think of weird solutions and sometimes it works

#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

timid swift
#

that's been solutions in the past. very unusual stuff

manic spruce
#

Hm

#

Is there a doc juat ezplaining the arg lore? Like W/o theories

safe monolith
uncut cargo
#

study wanted to be ballin but she couln't because of studies and her sister not wanting to go outside play with her

#

case closed

#

now drop the mic and walk off

safe burrow
#

Of course I don't like going out but ok. NeuroSip

boreal plover
manic spruce
manic spruce
tulip minnow
#

We got a lot of them in here catSUS

#

It’ll only take you about 10~25hrs to read every single one

topaz cove
#

w/o theories

tulip minnow
#

My eyes neurOMEGALUL

#

Old problem

#

Still, take a look neuroTroll

topaz cove
safe monolith
# 
[0.970333319543899, 0.9539153169071436, 0.9264183780873133, 0.9428248777543584, 0.9530069559308082, 0.9334459155810965, 0.9444086137326796, 0.9479315926514346, 0.9359188453688132, 0.9417291542966303, 0.9494823319794006, 0.9462735837553243, 0.912481293818921, 0.9286492373231988, 0.9465689935918036, 0.9426870087603313, 0.93829211176017, 0.939756810357919, 0.9450108655138717, 0.9437927839813017, 0.9262007442556817, 0.9456876392316996, 0.9255616309840121]

🔢

boreal plover
dapper wraith
#

the numbers represent how similar the stream intro is to the know intro (i.e. the dog-giraffe QR code). running it on a completely different video makes little sense

boreal plover
#

i mean modifying it to work off a certain frame of the meaning of life garden scene to detect any changes, like a curtain opening or a code appearing somewhere

boreal plover
#

because it works by detecting changes from a source image, right?

onyx sparrow
#

@boreal plover, "to detect any changes"?
I think, I did something to detect any changes with Study (see referenced message), and, if it remember correctly, with MoL. But I don't remember anything interesting in MoL, so I didn't publish it

safe monolith
#

hi, just very quickly while i'm here. i'm currently a little busy, so i can't try that just yet. seems like an idea though.

mol's camera bops a little, so img comparison will be slightly challenging. in the past, bred has graphed the movement of the camera, and i'd assume that it isn't 100% accurate. in which case, the current algo, which checks for ssim in segmented squares of the frame wouldn't work

#

i'd probably have to use feature detection or contours or something similar to achieve this. the more complicated, the less confident we can be about the results it produces

onyx sparrow
safe monolith
#

yeah noise happens a lot for youtube videos. for mol I'd expect it to be subjected to a lot more graining

hollow garnet
#

i sorta wonder where would be the best place to track from

image.png
#

also i didn't realize but there's another smaller copy of the image that doesnt move behind it from what i can tell

#

(look at the very left edge of the video)

boreal plover
#

isnt there a version that's just straight?

hollow garnet
#

afaik that's what im using

boreal plover
#

huh, weird

#

it might move to prevent specifically from what my idea is

hollow garnet
#

the video isn't exactly the most stable

boreal plover
#

the instability is in a pattern though, right?

hollow garnet
#

last time i looked i couldn't get anything useful out of it but it wasn't an amazing track

boreal plover
#

does she actually know anything or is it sheer conicedence?

hollow garnet
#

she probably doesn't know anything

#
  • other messages around neuro not knowing anything
hollow garnet
#

had another shot a doing a bit of a better track
used 3 trackers, averaged them to get the selected track in the middle.

image.png
#

exported track looks like this

image.png
#

this is only frames [1834,12782] because this is slow and i didn't want to wait for ages

boreal plover
#

ok so not in a particular pattern

#

wonder if there's any particular angle we're supposed to look at with the track like that

hollow garnet
#

NeuroClueless there is also basically zero correlation between the x coordinates and the y coordinates

image.png
manic spruce
hollow garnet
#

just 360 as far as I'm aware

safe monolith
#

i think someone has

onyx quarry
#

I watched it in VR once or twice. Nothing jumped out at me

barren lion
safe monolith
#

we have come full circle

barren lion
#

Its not a circle. It's a spiral

boreal plover
#

...fibonachi?

barren lion
#

It's an Alan Wake 2 reference

dapper wraith
#

updated yt-dlp and now it unwraps MoL like this Erm

image.png
boreal plover
#

wha

wispy thistle
#

it's because you have to use a specific format

#

by default, youtube uses this projection because it takes less resources to render

#

the original projection can also be downloaded though

dapper wraith
#

I used the same command I always use. something changed...

#

anyway do you know how to get the original projection by any chance?

wispy thistle
#

just get the list of formats

#

and download either the largest one or the second largest

#

you can list formats with --list-formats or -F

#

and choose the format with --format or -f

dapper wraith
#

ah I see. the mp4 is still the correct projection. weird never had this problem with the "bestvideo" format before

barren lion
#

Do we have any clues that are 8 bytes?

#

I think the 128 bit is a clue to what encryption algorithm using

#

99aa671fce192501 is 128 bits so it can be used as a key in Blowfish

#

No idea waht the Init Vector is tho

#

Or "Rabbit Hole" could be reffering to Rabbit cipher

#

Wait Rabbit uses a 128 bit key

dapper wraith
#

So far the only encryption used has been AES

#

128bits would be 16 bytes btw

#

(although every 64bit number does fit into 128bit I guess)

barren lion
#

I think it's Rabbit, I just can't find a vector that works

boreal plover
#

Assuming rabbit is a type of cypher, and a vector is the code to solve that cypher, try lines from the "hello world" video

digital radish
#

it can also be md5 or blowfish

#

maybe not md5

#

md5 doesnt really have a key

#

and you have to have the correct plaintext to "decode" md5

#

but blowfish is a possibility

barren lion
#

Blowfish is also an option but I'm really fixated on the "down the rabbit hole" line

boreal plover
#

Is there a tutorial to args video somewhere

barren lion
#

nope

#

look into cryptography

boreal plover
#

At least the terminology

barren lion
#

If you don't understand something, just ask. I'm happy to help where I can

boreal plover
#

Translation services

barren lion
#

So, we're using the Meaning of Life Video. At 15:57:350 theres a bunch of text which we're assuming to be encrypted text of some kind. I'm trying to use a decryption algorithm called Rabbit, which needs a 128-bit key, and a 64-bit initial vector. There was a barcode, when translated to hex and then to binary, and then converting it back to hex, gives us 9671846741e692b5 which I think is the key, because it's 128 bits long. I'm trying Rabbit because theres an audio clips that says "I think I’ve fallen down this rabbit hole"

#

I don't know what the 64-bit initial vector is

boreal plover
#

Mhm

barren lion
#

have you read through the arg docs?

boreal plover
#

Some of it

#

I understand very little though

barren lion
#

Have you read the "Meaning of Life" doc?

boreal plover
#

Yes

barren lion
#

Do you have any specific places where you get lost?

boreal plover
barren lion
#

No, they're untranslated

boreal plover
#

Or well there's a lot of those I'd need to be way more specific

#

Or well they got ran through one cypher we used for other parts of the arg and out was spat slightly more coherent stuff

barren lion
#

Coherent is very subjective

boreal plover
#

Well it looks like progress?

barren lion
#

sometimes ¯_(ツ)_/¯

boreal plover
#

It's more of a pattern is what I'm seeing

barren lion
#

Explain?

boreal plover
#

Idk how

barren lion
#

Can you explain the pattern?

#

Or write it out

boreal plover
#

It could just be the illusion of knowing what I'm looking at based on what I've seen from previous steps in decoding stuff

barren lion
#

Might as well say it as we're a bit stuck

#

No shame in going the wrong way

boreal plover
#

Thing is I don't know what I'm saying I could just be pulling this out of imagined memory

barren lion
#

We're all a bit schizo here, might as well try

boreal plover
#

I'm going to copy paste a chunk here

#

110240d307d045d0663000000
c65803a908401b0edf4010c1c

XORing them produces this: d75a437a0f905edeb97010c1c.
20 characters long
10 bytes

By using the reverse mapping, the c75 hash-like from the barcode becomes this:
shfv yr fvvsihhysifccvff tyfftvtfrf f iyrrviirrhticvcitiycty vcr

#

At the start it's just numbers and letters but at step 3 it looks somewhat like a sentence?

#

Add in a space here and there and change the letters (which is what it looks to my two braincells what you're doing) and.. something

barren lion
#

Some of the words look to long to be real is my issue

#

iyrrviirrhticvcitiycty doesn't seem like it could become a word

boreal plover
#

The start at least has a pattern of having I, y, and r

barren lion
#

Maybe, I have no idea how to even start working on that though

boreal plover
#

That's the neat part, you ignore my gut feeling, never worked anyway, and work on what might be a actual lead

barren lion
#

Hey, it might mean something to someone else

boreal plover
#

I'm no psychic, if so, I'd have a detective agency with a guy named Gus as a assistant

#

Or I'd be locked in some scp equivalent thing

#

Anyway, topic

#

128 bit sounds like something I barely understand

barren lion
boreal plover
#

But context

#

There's too much context I don't know

barren lion
#

I'm just looking for strings we've found that are 128 bits long

boreal plover
#

...how many bits is the word key

barren lion
#

128

#

for Rabbit cipher at least

#

Apologies but I must go as I have to clean up the shop. (I've been on the clock)

boreal plover
#

Rabbit cipher sounds right then

#

Or am I misunderstanding what you're saying

boreal plover
#

I'm gonna go too

#

Ping me when you get back so I can read stuff, despite me knowing so little it's quite interesting

barren lion
#

I just use online converters

#

Using Ceaser cipher on 'bcdefghijqrstvy' returns these

Screenshot_20240430-210840.png
#

Number one is the thing that weirds me out

#

It's abcdefghipqrsux

#

Nevermind

#

I'm fucking stupid

#

That's embarrassing

safe monolith
#

don't worry about it! just by trying stuff you're already doing great (:

barren lion
#

Summary of my night:
9671846741e692b5 is 128 bits as the key
Rabbit Cipher maybe because "I think I've fallen down this rabbit hole"

safe burrow
timid swift
#

We're all stupid but maybe together we can conjure up a single braincell and solve this thing

safe monolith
#

dunno where you're getting the braincell but i'm all empty

boreal plover
#

I think mine's faulty

#

Also how has the arg worked so far? Like when are we getting the next video/link to whatever? When we decode meaning of life?

timid swift
#

It's not had a hard trigger event we've been able to infer, but rather seemed random. In the beginning some of the videos did appear to be hints for the earlier ones, so they could be interpreted as a timed event. "hello world!" could be interepeted as being a response to us messing around with priority MMSes targeting the phone number at around the same time

safe burrow
timid swift
#

tetris

safe burrow
uncut cargo
#

well considering the time its quite possible next drop will be huge

#

if this is end of part 1

#

and now is starting part 2

#

it possible we'll get a whole new infrastructure

#

operating on new web of clues

#

but thats just my yap mind you

#

reality is often disappointing

safe monolith
# timid swift tetris 
[0.9262800880516018, 0.9634508888653227, 0.9670855981730391, 0.9657752110429638, 0.9526836453151201, 0.9359315937308684, 0.9513376510360808, 0.9843731627126916, 0.951508166574056, 0.9901041948750681, 0.9689767256758427, 0.9482234529820257, 0.979934538604447, 0.9552095217788342, 0.9408670544897806, 0.9386889000798465, 0.9424191840414474, 0.9718916441832762, 0.9704247959142945, 0.9867856799676615, 0.9881107154756693, 0.9622509475924065, 0.9830477277200721, 0.9487886444758501, 0.9281337474721442, 0.9662255317030589, 0.9470648286176823, 0.9442161486861398, 0.9733704729281047, 0.9459155654082606, 0.9665554798788906, 0.9621295942745691]
unique mason
boreal plover
wispy thistle
#

IV is just data used for initializing encryption stuff

boreal plover
#

so it's like a password?

#

as in it's just a sequence of numbers and/or letters

#

Maybe Try that phone number from hello world

wispy thistle
#

well, IV is not something we had to deal with so far because we only had plain AES

#

but considering how many stuff there is that we have no idea what to do with, anything is possible

onyx sparrow
#

I hope someone sees different symbols there

manic spruce
#

Oh wait

#

Nvm

#

Ohh

#

@onyx sparrow i overlayed these 3 to get that

wdym-nuero-hidden.png wdym-enhance-frame1.png wdym-binary.png
#

On the first image this is what i see

unknown.jpeg
#

Witch i think fits

#

Idk about the 3 though

#

That could be an I or a T

#

Idk what go backward could mean.

#

Have we tried reversing the videos

#

When i get home ill try that

manic spruce
#

It could be a 7

#

Bad ss qualty

boreal plover
#

Smells like progress?

#

Or am I just smelling salt water boiling again

onyx sparrow
timid swift
#

Do note that reversing audio has lead to many funny and silly incidents of people thinking they heard a message in what provably did in fact not have a message. It has to be pretty clear to count

safe monolith
# 
[0.9698659267225321, 0.9482551121387418, 0.9328342792387909, 0.9423661312021897, 0.9535384324355415, 0.9326468383262401, 0.9434314337688634, 0.9466828823273529, 0.9360164182185048, 0.9435027575953138, 0.9558079874826991, 0.948951865169173, 0.9118407361760164, 0.9297379047525274, 0.9428423240709067, 0.9448709820333209, 0.9419556193164825, 0.9421994918771314, 0.948696366562675, 0.9459055007930903, 0.9201946236868973, 0.9411056766807265, 0.9400862432883551]

raff & dog

manic spruce
manic spruce
#

Has doing meaning of life backwards in vr been tried?

manic spruce
#

Have the beeps and boops at the end of mwaning of life been translated to morse code or binary yet?

timid swift
#

if it's not in the docs then it hasn't been tried

manic spruce
#

Ok unironicaly i can hear a lot of shit from this

#

I havent listend to all of it

#

But im gunna upload a video of it with ai captions

#

I havent checked the captions but from what ive seen they are somewhat acurate

#

She speaks cleaely though

manic spruce
#

yts bieng a bitch rn ill send it in an hour or so

onyx sparrow
sage pivot
#

still waiting for a clue cirSlain

manic spruce
#

@onyx sparrow

#

I dont think its self promo??? Its an unlisted video

#

Iirc the subtitles are ok but id need someone who can lower the background noice

#

When you get to the pary where its a house and close your eyes you can tell its coherent

manic spruce
#

If that is a "back" or "go back" or "backwards is might be reffering to a lot of the other solutions and a redd herring

wispy thistle
#

it's in the doc

manic spruce
#

Yeah i just saw that

#

The first and last part arent but idk what youd get from that

manic spruce
#

Can anyone find anything linking to moving or speaking in the lyrics

manic spruce
manic spruce
wispy thistle
#

wait, ill link the full audio

#

with removed noise

#

here

#

@manic spruce

manic spruce
#

Since when i downloaded it its 14 minutes long

#

But the full video is 16

#

So i asume you cut out the first minute or 2 because its almost all nonsense

wispy thistle
#

that's only the house part

#

i removed what comes after it

manic spruce
#

Yeah

manic spruce
#

The reversing confused me lol

#

It makes sense tho

#

I dont think theyres any background

wispy thistle
#

yeah the point of that audio is removing the bg audio so whatever has no audio i didnt put in there

manic spruce
#

Yeah makes sense

manic spruce
#

Ignore the subtitles cause theyll influence you

#

Do you hear the same shit

wispy thistle
#

i mean, it's literally just reversed "hello, neuro-sama here"

timid swift
#

Next there's gonna be a message from the devil themself in the reverse audio, just you wait and see hear

manic spruce
#

"Skibidi toilet 69420 is cannon to the arg!!!!"

timid swift
#

Time for them meds NeuroClueless

daring acorn
#

(why am i here, i am mentally sane)

manic spruce
onyx sparrow
#

Like, she unable speak properly, so she speak in reverse?
But about move.. That, maybe, can explain why it's 360 video - only changing angle of view is not a "proper movement", isn't it?

manic spruce
#

Possibly but that feels like a stretch

#

Isnt one of the current theories that study sama is neuro samas sister?

#

Maybe this is refering to how she "wont answer my calls"

#

Paralysed maybe?

boreal plover
#

Doesn't evil's origin story somewhat line up with what we know from the arg? We could perhaps ask Neuro hers see if that fills any lore related gaps

timid swift
#

evil has an origin story?

#

and don't ask neuro, vedal has explicitly stated that she won't give arg clues (to stop dono-questions)

boreal plover
boreal plover
cobalt axle
#

evil doesn't have an origin story, both of them don't have lore, maybe the ARG is for creating neuro lore, but other than that, there's no oficcial lore

crimson tendonBOT
#

You have unlocked new role

boreal plover
#

Something about a car crash

onyx sparrow
dapper wraith
timid swift
wispy thistle
#

yup whatever neuro says on stream should be considered unrelated to the ARG unless the ARG directly leads to it

manic spruce
safe monolith
#

mittens = lore neuroNOWAYING

#

maybe i should be detecting for mittens instead

safe burrow
manic spruce
#

Lol

wispy thistle
safe monolith
#

puppet master confirmed question mark

image.png
#

can't see any obvious clues, will download it and gamma it just in case

#

coincidence?? (yes)

image.png
manic spruce
#

You think theyre are any clues in the random mathematic theorems

safe monolith
#

who knows

manic spruce
#

Idk how to identify all of them

safe monolith
#

it's tradition at this point to just break down any collab videos just in case catSUS

manic spruce
#

But theyre might be something in like the first letter of each theorem

safe monolith
#

gimmie a moment i'm dumping the gammad frames, will check them slowly

#

only 7,984 frames to check

manic spruce
#

Yippe

#

Im double checking for the lyrics

safe monolith
#
  1. pyth theorem
  2. idk really could be a right angle triangle
  3. similar triangles
  4. pi
  5. just an expression
  6. dunno
  7. also just an expression
  8. i wanna say quadratic but why 3a
  9. hyperbola
  10. cone
image.png image.png image.png image.png image.png image.png image.png image.png image.png image.png
#

^ sequence 1, i'm guessing it's all gonna be the same sequence but i'll check

#

missed this, it's the determinant thingy you use in quad formula

image.png
#

gammas looks clean to me

#

aand spectro looks normal to me (untrained)

#

wowie who would have thought

manic spruce
#

Hm

#

So your sayinf the colab isnt a clue

#

I cant believe it

safe monolith
#

it usually never is

manic spruce
#

Im so surprised

safe monolith
#

just wanted to instigate some discussion. kinda wanna talk about the code we've gotten so far, not trying to solve anything, so bear with me

This was in "hello world!", after "Public Static Void", before "[Filtered]".

namespace Message_
{
   class HelloWorld {
                 public static void Main(string[] args)
        {
            System.Console.WriteLine("hello world!");
        }
    }
}

This was in what is formally "hello wo" in Malbolge, now "[Filtered]":

def shift_characters(message):
    return ''.join([char if char == ' ' else chr(ord(char) - 1) for char in message])

message = "hello world!"
while True:
    message = shift_characters(message)
    print(message)

What kinda concerns me is that both of these snippets seem to embed the intent to print "hello world!".

MoL starts with "hello world!". We have 3 videos in a row basically pointing to "hello world!"

So here are some lingering questions I kinda have in my mind:

  • What if we're meant to interpret shift_characters in a different way? Like, instead of shifting ASCII characters, an in-ARG character is being shifted?
  • The [Filtered] code basically shifts a message to "null space" (space characters but whatever, metaphors galore). [Filtered] is basically noise until we denoised it with an algorithm. Noise is the default state for sound, or when receiving broadcasts with no transmitting stations
  • End of PSV shows Study-sama glitching away from existence. Is [Filtered] the end state? When reconstructed, they become Hiyori?
  • What is [Filtered]? What if figuring out what [Filtered] is, embeds a clue as to what's going on?
#

"hello world", "Public Static Void" are both "starter snippets" in programming. Like the beginnings of a program or something

#

I think there is continuity from PSV to MoL

manic spruce
#

It would have half the charecters

#

This is the most confusing since we have no idea what to do with hello world

digital radish
#

hello world is seen as a "leave me alone" video, since it was published after we spammed the phone number with messages trol

#

but it can have other meanings

manic spruce
#

Weather it be using it later or whatever

#

So either the phone number is a lie witch i doubt

#

Or theyres more meaning

boreal plover
#

have people tried actually saying some flavor of emergency or 911

digital radish
#

yes

timid swift
wispy thistle
#

maybe, or alternatively, it could be that the arg is edgy like that

timid swift
#

edgy all lowercase hello world

wispy thistle
#

were there discussions about the weird tabulation in the c# snippet?

#

0-0-3-17-8-12-8-4-0

#

shifting up doesnt seem to result in anything useful

Screenshot_20240505-121419_1.png
timid swift
# wispy thistle were there discussions about the weird tabulation in the c# snippet?

yes, but we haven't been able to make anything of it. From what I looked at it doesn't look like Whitespace (the programming language) or anything like that.
The indentation isn't just nonstandard (eg. how someone coming from another language might do it), it's straight up "wrong" (specifically the indentation of public static void Main(string[] args)), so either we're being messed with, or there's still a sort of message in there.

safe monolith
#

Yeah and like, hello world! is the only video title that is lowercase

timid swift
digital radish
#

the final solution of arg is just gonna be bad apple in neurosama frames

safe burrow
manic spruce
#

Final solusion leads to vedal saying it back

safe monolith
#

He already did

#

solution ruined

safe monolith
#

For some reason I think each group of letters in this:

bb ce td ht eft ggd 
     sgfi dqj ie br vtye b sbs

represents one letter each. Like, "bb = h, ce = e, ..." to form "hello\nworld!\n" or something neurOMEGALUL

#

the only arg-specific algos we had were the Numbers algorithm (which uses numbers) and the shifting, so unless we also have to learn a new algo to manipulate this, this is surely something obvious

#

something obvious meaning solveable with our current means, not implying it's easy

tulip minnow
#

My 3 theory stands

#

The video uploaded at may 3rd

#

Lets goooooo

timid swift
# safe monolith the only arg-specific algos we had were the Numbers algorithm (which uses number...

if we presuppose that it is such a substitution cipher, have we seen any of those letter combinations "bb" or "ce" or etc anywhere before?
This kind of substitution could be unbreakable if implemented right, since it'd be as strong as OTP - long ago I "designed" an encryption scheme much like this -single character encrypts as one of many multicharacter sequences-, only to later realize that it was just OTP but more cumbersome NeuroClueless

safe monolith
#

if it's OTP it's over (uncrackable unless actual key)

#

inb4 hello\nworld!\n was actually the key

#

wait

#

This is 33 characters? It's dividable by length of "helloworld!"

timid swift
timid swift
#

in groups of 3:

bbc etd hte ftg gds gfi dqj ieb rvt yeb sbs
boreal plover
#

It'd be funny if one of the strings of clues just led to an image of "I'm sorry Mario, but the princess is in another castle!"

#

But then that turned out to be a clue itself

timid swift
#

sounds like a sadecsss clue NeuroClueless

safe monolith
#

we love sadecsss

boreal plover
#

No clue what that is

#

(I'm going to be smacked with a paragraph aren't I)

safe monolith
#

our beloved S-tier sus. They did the neuro intros you see on stream and jebaited us with a splinter

#

nah you're good fam. check out the dead ends (i think?) docs

timid swift
agile swallow
# safe monolith For some reason I think each group of letters in this: ``` bb ce td ht eft ggd ... 
seq2="sgfi dqj ie br vtye b sbs"
1stPart=[196, 200, 216, 220, 319,306]
2ndPart=[425, 319, 206, 212, 456, 98, 328]
words1=[98]
words2=[196,200,216,220,206,212]
words3=[319,306,319,328]
words4=[425,456]
1stPartstr="ÄÈØÜĿIJ"
2ndPartstr="ƩĿÎÔLjbň"
str1="b"
str2="ÄÈØÜÎÔ"
str3="ĿIJĿň"
str4="ƩLj"
seq3="bbc etd hte ftg gds gfi dqj ieb rvt yeb sbs"
3letters=[295,317,321,321,318,310,319,304,348,320]
result="ħĽŁŁľĶĿİŜŀ"
print("end")```
Tried something
boreal plover
#

I thought I could read code but I guess not

manic spruce
manic spruce
agile swallow
safe burrow
tulip minnow
glad linden
#

Hey, I'm interested in the ARG of the Vedal, can someone tell me what theories are currently available on the forum, sorry for my English, I'm a foreigner and I'm writing through a translator))
I know a little from one video from YouTube in which they talk about videos that were published on https://www.youtube.com/@_neurosama, there were some theories that made me think about the fate of the Vedal, the history of the origin of neurosama, and how the idea came legal to create a neurosama and for what purpose?
Can anyone tell me theories?

safe monolith
#

Do note that most of these are still theories and may not be representative of the actual story the ARG is trying to tell. We currently don't have enough evidence to produce a canonical interpretation

glad linden
#

Got it, thanks for the links)

tulip minnow
#

Another one fallen down the rabbit hole sillycat

#

Wait

#

I think I know why there’s a song named fallen down

#

We’re the fallen sisters

#

We are the arg all along neuroNOWAYING

#

Stuck in this repetitive arg

#

It’s the friends we made along the way catSUS

manic spruce
#

What if the real arg is the sanity we lost along the way

safe monolith
#

nah i'm still sane

wispy thistle
#

i too am perfectly sane

#

how would i have found the arg solution otherwise

timid swift
safe monolith
# 
[0.9709898735036667, 0.9531253550274056, 0.9299120899168619, 0.9416185686008519, 0.9515189692917686, 0.9339639412000232, 0.945697488054598, 0.9481835783252383, 0.9372349912048873, 0.9436423359521674, 0.954498440912699, 0.9449349293288568, 0.9160724604894215, 0.9232539426719812, 0.9414888227751407, 0.9441622023144802, 0.9393100069848558, 0.9428375655364123, 0.9482167224958843, 0.9387272703003608, 0.9303132919639813, 0.9429410196127437, 0.928135049052805]
#

feed brokey, youtube's not responding with their rss

#

probably an rss outage (classic)

timid swift
#

what is uptime? NeuroClueless

safe monolith
#

Sampling from 72 hours ago, a bad day can be like 5/12.

#

😔

barren lion
#

I wonder if Vedal ever looks at this chat and just laughs at us like ants in the cruelest digital ant farm

#

Actually he's British. He would never laugh.

manic spruce
barren lion
#

Has anyone done frequency analysis on the cipher text from Meaning of Life?

dapper wraith
manic spruce
manic spruce
safe monolith
#

We have done some fairly related analysis actually. I had a whole schizo episode trying to semantically model the output of AES to its input in an effort to see if we can exploit repeated bytes in the ciphertext

#

Otherwise, the entropy of the ciphertext indicates that it is, indeed, probably encrypted. Doing a letter frequency analysis would probably be fairly meaningless if the hex that it represents is basically random

#

oh lord let tomorrow be a fumo review stream so i can pretend evil just chatting detection works for just a bit longer neuroPray

barren lion
barren lion
# manic spruce witch one?

jeISomyoFEJcqVt9NRBYsaD8OLh2Wx1qU4TotoFNDeKPwcZQynZBJA7pRGYzk12HbPXZnAHlt+nTa/AhJQ/bSuEOSH6ho5UOCCn5y4/bXlVFmtU+8NPgm8r4RC1p9dWwtzXIqi5FkLu3ur+0KNRR+AyPrwnX5+QaNtgbHAvwDJ6YwG+leyYtbwnsh2VHh/MRjhIXJiWIpRrFudLXi9eqb8wr+n49QbjlZaKD+iC9DQbcgikAfnBhJhFYRnHarfVZonyWMp9VfTZOwIBhWacHUHQQMpdshoMrURRIbO49Wvo6aUhX6Y2GAazFlodmRMdwOQ2mpjYH6owgY80z7mX50k60tB3nosrVh5Sc7DE+fgW4Nlt+hShVgsPz3g69XteejUle//VNFEK9kk3ds5f9cg==

barren lion
dapper wraith
safe monolith
#

this is also when i dropped a t3 sub despair

Screenshot_20240507_094625_Discord.jpg
manic spruce
#

What code was he talking about

dapper wraith
manic spruce
#

There are 2 evil streams this week

#

Watch out for qr code

cobalt axle
#

evilLightbulbJuice tetris

manic spruce
#

Chat get to work

#

Vedals about to start laughing at us

safe monolith
# 
[0.9344124000147671, 0.9722511351281775, 0.974076430005164, 0.9664328905936738, 0.9520733664408566, 0.9339748354461563, 0.9564910536982462, 0.9840373721550884, 0.959046242460186, 0.9914602114718644, 0.969549403320964, 0.9589869916275217, 0.9819010364798545, 0.9524578370423273, 0.9418064024505933, 0.9383227894133265, 0.9378294167709953, 0.978126901782021, 0.9633722831008096, 0.9838183123513087, 0.9871232034533461, 0.9622053955328355, 0.9811062428750409, 0.9457801981586483, 0.9297222645766853, 0.966603183862588, 0.9296252523902478, 0.9496297154002642, 0.9733388786648712, 0.9340645298769569, 0.9682301329403252, 0.9755528629028337]

(was away. the job lasted 1 hour because i still haven't fixed the evil detection square thing)

bronze lotus
#

Edit: removed three large comments that were purely about converting that base64 string to hex

wispy thistle
#

please read the previous solutions

bronze lotus
#

oh oof

gritty thorn
#

I've seen people talking about the "692048..." numbers, but I haven't seen people talking about the hidden numbers between them, was this explored already?

image.png
#

oh wait, it might just be the "shadows" of the white numbers

manic spruce
wispy thistle
#

they are there because the lines in the video aren't perfect, they bleed through to neighboring lines

onyx sparrow
safe monolith
# 
[0.9435265453668418, 0.9703452889892831, 0.9686116567780555, 0.9609533595436378, 0.9527853973533135, 0.939628252984392, 0.957515229765403, 0.9831240760697044, 0.9476950284071809, 0.9912707902790506, 0.9717956096366013, 0.9541720798163814, 0.9812668156425021, 0.9460697355514923, 0.9389824783489505, 0.9445589398497599, 0.9376765168673002, 0.976202900611506, 0.968038503651243, 0.9873833285283692, 0.9864413252442866, 0.9615369139607264, 0.9809853005554867, 0.9488412075198013, 0.932903241208281, 0.9664067296280517, 0.9368211193974875, 0.9568630390333691, 0.9698937998946721, 0.9522517972004759, 0.9709388234236008, 0.9671283815824131]

have a good stream folks

barren lion
manic spruce
#

What is i want to be an engineer (i dont)

edgy stream
#

wonder where the guitar loop is from

barren lion
#

Totally original song that I haven't listened to a similar version 100x NeuroClueless

manic spruce
#

Afaik theyre are no clues

#

Chat red hearing but what if we get the entire video and over lay it over to find the formula (dont this isnt a clue)

barren lion
#

If there's clues in her cover I'm going to lose my mind. That would open any Vedal related media to scrutiny

bronze lotus
#

if it's anything, some of the equations/expressions in the video are 'wrong' or are in uncommon forms that you wouldn't expect to find in common high school problems neuroTomfoolery

manic spruce
safe monolith
timid swift
#

There's not gonna be canonical clues in fan stuff, that's a fundamental rule of ARGing. That said, Is it fun analyzing it regardless? Absolutely!

uncut cargo
#

we're at a wall anyway

hollow garnet
#

NeuroClueless ok does this lyric say waste away or whisp away (study)

image.png
wispy thistle
#

i never heard anyone transcribe it as whisp

hollow garnet
#

idk it sounds closer to me whisp (or some other sound not completely disimilar to swowce NeuroClueless )

timid swift
#

every single word in the early lyrics was hotly debated

safe monolith
# 
[0.970426764040004, 0.9483251442713522, 0.93258368644715, 0.9405985151577058, 0.953614549751213, 0.9344917451177587, 0.9470272670402146, 0.9467267121176075, 0.9372027204833885, 0.943173626880155, 0.9524859462888186, 0.9515393212368514, 0.9124551489157078, 0.9275074395485157, 0.9419431479376353, 0.9467748921149219, 0.9430461679743193, 0.9460916229708486, 0.9480822373108525, 0.939373120144865, 0.9300275236173613, 0.9393581197705205, 0.9401391490684406]

Feeds look normal, have a good watchalong

manic spruce
timber whale
#

Are we looking for a zero or are we looking for a one?

agile swallow
boreal plover
#

So we're looking for .8 or lower I think

manic spruce
#

Or lower

#

Like 1cea said a 0 would be completely different

#

But 1 or 0.9 is the same

silent gate
#

i've been following the thread here for a while, but i still don't know what the numbers stand for and what exactly this is about.
is it about what neuro really is or what happens behind neuro?

boreal plover
#

Those numbers are scanning a QR code in the background of the starting sequence that appears periodically, the variance in those numbers is caused by a foreground peice floating into the way of the QR code when it pops up

silent gate
#

CH_Woah oha

safe monolith
wispy thistle
#

meanwhile, i'm schizoing over 3 qr codes i have (non-arg related) that got cut in half

crystal urchin
wispy thistle
#

scroll up

digital radish
#

we know

manic spruce
safe monolith
#

bro nani

#

wtf do i do if the intro's like that

#

smadge now i need to make it recognize the tutel starting soon screen

image.png
hollow garnet
#

NeuroClueless just detect any screen with the words starting soon, surely that'd never cause issues

safe monolith
#

ok i assume the starting soon screen was worked on recently with potentially a new arg clue NeuroClueless

#

not copium

digital radish
#

i am 100% sure neuro is broken hence why that starting screen

#

and vedal gonna stream fixing her

#

(also explains the delay)

dapper wraith
#

he said no tech issues tho NeuroClueless

digital radish
#

surely

safe monolith
#

ah it was all for the green lamp

dapper wraith
#

RAM upgrade neuroNOWAYING

digital radish
#

nvm its that starting screen cuz she is already started (neuro's starting screen is connected to her, when you start her the screen appears)

#

false hopes

safe monolith
#

can't wait to see the score results for this

digital radish
#

0 0 0 0

manic spruce
#

And add contrast

safe monolith
#

ok here you go

image.png
#

(genuinely no idea what the colors above are, could be an artifact)

#

(nvm that is the player's gradient)

unique mason
#

did u explode

safe monolith
#

teeeechnically not a new QR code NeuroClueless

boreal plover
#

.1

safe monolith
# 
[0.15408751835759069, 0.1220371294428343, 0.2302554584948833, 0.14559547773539902, 0.1573775449254793, 0.10991591288689419, 0.1984202518150245, 0.10069656731836686, 0.14539651994419292, 0.14716286090785946, 0.1608937076897169, 0.1746703101085133, 0.10753528202887525, 0.10343148338693058, 0.09230808853534099, 0.10403326010509034, 0.1001857278298622, 0.11725414272532259, 0.08160884481425577, 0.11677577876073852, 0.160293430446708, 0.15645304399737153, 0.11523440465212002]

neurOMEGALUL

hollow garnet
#

clues NeuroClueless

manic spruce
#

Quick

#

Scan it

safe monolith
#

when vedal moved around the starting soon text, the script's grace period thingy saved it from crashing. amazing suggestion breadth

boreal plover
#

We did it guys, we found a new QR code!

boreal plover
unique mason
crystal urchin
barren lion
#

Can we @ the mods to pass it along to Vedal?

#

Slightly unrelated, but imagine if Neuro sings some of the ARG songs on a karaoke stream.

#

Also I'm starting to go insane because I saw a billboard today with odd spacing and my mind immediately went to if it was ciphertext.

crystal urchin
crystal urchin
barren lion
#

They copyrighted it?? Ffs

#

Thank you Shiro

crystal urchin
barren lion
#

I wished it was on Spotify and the monkeys paw curled

potent dock
#

It's also on apple

wind crypt
#

yeah ill fwd this

barren lion
#

<3

pulsar glen
#

we're going to see more and more of these with time, aren't we

timid swift
#

we've already seen several in the past

dapper wraith
#

neuroTomfoolery starting screen again

safe monolith
#

😔

manic spruce
#

I think it would be fine if they didnt try to take credit

safe monolith
# 
[0.14453200082715623, 0.0970496634016484, 0.22208057140854467, 0.07166275845213758, 0.14314777987137864, 0.1596258246974053, 0.15506977852160322, 0.1310490138737513, 0.10947465587858896, 0.14328836485236643, 0.018036362605361574, 0.16585532423560664, 0.10103488721198683, 0.08460203525364784, 0.08819906575188911, 0.11993469597020505, 0.1117832041370082, 0.08786569292732556, 0.15869462210807045, 0.08190627609676125, 0.10101584139968155, 0.17095080331513912, 0.09461633437092609]

btw

manic spruce
#

Can we scan it?

#

Thats insanely different

#

Im on mobile so i cant

safe monolith
#

tutel starting screen today, it was expected

timid swift
#

"new" starting screen for reference

image.png
safe monolith
#

if it appears one more time i'll have to add it NeuroClueless

uncut cargo
#

y'know

#

lets use good ol methods

#

lets rent a quantum computer and bruteforce AES neuroHypers

wispy thistle
#

it won't help

#

it simply reduces 2^128 to 2^64, which is still a lot

manic spruce
tulip minnow
#

Ok I think it’s time for another prediction

#

I bet

#

There will be a clue in June 2

#

And it’s gonna be big

#

Since they’ve been cooking for half an year sillycat

zenith pike
#

Any progress since Hello_World?

#

*I mean meaning of life my bad

wispy thistle
#

nope

#

i mean we did progress in meaning of life

#

but we've been stuck for a few months

uncut cargo
#

debut anniversary soon

#

maybe then

#

ah right

#

nothing happened on may 15th

#

i forgot

manic spruce
ember tapir
#

Yeah....

timid swift
#

Surely May15Th is real!

timid swift
#

well the normal screen is back. Wonder what that was about

image.png
barren lion
#

Vanor we requre your services

distant girder
#

smh not recognizing 🐕 🦒 without vanor

digital radish
#

how will i know if the qr code today is new or not

thin jungle
safe monolith
# 
[0.9687259912196974, 0.9491923506941585, 0.9266175862113757, 0.94076291382077, 0.9532350200200256, 0.9326760504088073, 0.9415184109067085, 0.944805013857119, 0.9388995717285221, 0.9435197282307565, 0.9586050316490512, 0.9435627580698216, 0.9178789947996696, 0.9274858805644572, 0.9412619673381574, 0.9483417279586414, 0.9399121206267438, 0.9396760038263, 0.9442922527174488, 0.9416164010815017, 0.9311693340993671, 0.9431274504215664, 0.9382427111763391]

oh the budget's back (+ feeds normal)

ember tapir
#

So its not new

#

Oof

narrow turtle
#

It could be, you have to believe

boreal plover
#

So, bets as to what happens today?

#

Arg stuff drop?

cunning osprey
#

NeuroClueless surely something is going to happen today

tight walrus
#

New ARG song dropping obv

boreal plover
#

Numbers 3 when

#

Maybe something to link meaning of life

safe burrow
unique mason
#

surelyt

dapper wraith
#

🐕 🦒 neuroSHARK

#

It froze again

4x.gif
safe monolith
#

did

#

bruh

#

what

#

it's white

#

so that panel is its own component

#

hmms

timber whale
#

thats interesting information

#

not useful in any way

#

but interesting

safe monolith
#

inb4 duration of panel going offline is clue

unique mason
#

surely

safe monolith
# 
[0.9700935347865255, 0.9484167573722283, 0.9300455421536209, 0.9388898420495823, 0.9519430351516543, 0.9332714647435146, 0.9433488766917688, 0.9492237092116392, 0.9415813031431627, 0.9417640017473278, 0.9533241145628647, 0.9485964347659559, 0.9196187739919487, 0.9270440912574592, 0.9431287621316363, 0.9471224982105304, 0.9410454988983491, 0.9388114493252285, 0.9487570867195957, 0.9388162665301163, 0.929345015529892, 0.945318465716666, 0.9374032148585488]

Nothing interesting happened on May 15

safe burrow
#

I'm just waiting NeuroSip

timber whale
#

im patient

boreal plover
#

pain

dapper wraith
#

surely the 27th will have one NeuroClueless

unique mason
uncut cargo
#

Surely

manic spruce
#

NOO

#

Sadge

#

Quickly check _neurosama

#

Clearly something happend there

timid swift
#

you know you could just do it instead of asking people to do it, right?

boreal plover
#

nothing seems to have happened on the _neurosama channel

#

though did the channel description always say that it was an alt?

safe monolith
#

yes

#

If it changed at any point I would have had a bell crush the remaining function of my ears

digital radish
#

something happened!

#

check _neurosama channel!

unique mason
#

the fact i actually rushed to check

digital radish
#

numbers 0.5 was uploaded!

#

or 1.5

wispy thistle
#

no way a new video ||4 months ago||

digital radish
#

damn

#

its been that long without progress?

pulsar glen
#

_neurosama channel has hit 1 million views, massive new clue

topaz cove
safe monolith
#

clap length clue

unique mason
#

write that down

#

atp im willing to believe

KCMiQxB.png
#

wtf does this even mean

misty grotto
#

surely vedal wont come on next dev stream and say that these numbers have nothing to do with the arg

cunning osprey
#

YEP they probably don't
she's been saying seemingly random tokens at least once per stream recently

#

also integrating Vedaclap lengths into the ARG lore sounds... challenging neurOMEGALUL

misty grotto
#

yup true also lets not disregard this

image.png
cunning osprey
#

YES that too (although that was specifically in reference to bits/donations)

wispy thistle
#

who's this british guy and what does he have to do with our ARG

safe monolith
#

fr wh neurOMEGALUL

#

(pleep gib hint we stuck)

misty grotto
misty grotto
wispy thistle
#

we decoded some parts of meaning of life, found a private soundcloud track's id and upload date (not the track url itself), that's it

hollow garnet
#

NeuroClueless surely arg person is just being considerate and waiting for my exams to finish before adding more clues

wispy thistle
#

schizoed a bit over previous videos but no concrete progress

misty grotto
cunning osprey
#

Also keep in mind that we have little idea how involved Vedal is in the ARG
For all we know he might just put up different starting screens from time to time, IIRC everything else doesn't directly involve the stream.

misty grotto
hollow garnet
#

still sad i got ghosted in the soundcloud dms :(

#

NeuroClueless i might be dense but the youtube pfp is super bright for some reason

image.png
#

but it still behaves like a normal default avatar when resizing unless im mistaken

safe monolith
#

... shit i don't think i'm tracking the youtube avatar

hollow garnet
#

ok so it looks like the old link is also really bright now

#

NeuroClueless the url now starts with AIdro (though seemingly other ones do too)

#

in conclusion i have no idea if this is a youtube thing or not

#

also had a quick look at the caption files for the two videos that are captioned and can't see anything obviously hidden

#

vanor random question but does the youtube api tell you if the pfp is default or not, according to a 7yo stackoverflow post it might

#

im pretty confident it is but not sure

safe monolith
#

i have no clue, i'll have to investigate

safe monolith
hollow garnet
#

yeah just wasn't sure if anyone had looked through them at all

azure oyster
#

A thought occurs: have we ever considered searching the premiere chat for Public Static Void, in case Vedal sent a clue in there under another account or something?

hollow garnet
#

I very quickly had a look 20 minutes ago but didn't check for that

#

ytdl can download the chat replay if you need it

barren lion
#

Why do we think something is happening today?

#

Also my schizo idea for the day. What if the random jumble of characters at the start of Karaoke songs is a key or encoded message

lost niche
#

Yo the fuck happened to the video being filtered

#

When dod this happen

safe monolith
#

what video being filtered? If you're talking about the video [Filtered], it has been ages since it was renamed

safe monolith
safe monolith
manic spruce
#

I kinda doubt time to make a fake acount with videos for the next premier

safe burrow
swift nova
#

maybe this is a hint 05.15.2024 to be for the interpretation of the hallow een music of Miku, music of Monster.

topaz cove
runic sphinx
# hollow garnet in conclusion i have no idea if this is a youtube thing or not

not a youtube thing. The only logical idea would be that youtube changed their profile picture default background but it makes no sense since they were already replacing transparency with white on new avatar uploads. (and it's clearly not the case here, because the user icon is somewhat transparent with the pink bg underneath it, so it's probably manual change)

EDIT actually nevermind. A second thought on this I decided to check for other channels too and it seems like all accounts with the old youtube avatar got brigher.

hollow garnet
# runic sphinx ~~not a youtube thing. The only logical idea would be that youtube changed their...

https://yt3.googleusercontent.com/ytc/AIdro_ng3vdmQ70ckkEDn8ODXy01T1k4iclHBSOBC5Qal-YxKcB6AAI=s2048-c-k-c0x00ffffff-no-rj (arg channel)
https://yt3.ggpht.com/OiaJrMYn4NeVv_b9QeihVvkgzecWLKE_4Bnpa-t582mTtj9dBjsecF05b2RmLIGKDyajPmv-=s2048-c-k-c0x00ffffff-no-rj-mo (neurosama channel)
yeah but the weird thing thing is this pfp behaves like other default pfps, meaning that when you request a larger image from google it adds a solid colour border instead of straight resizing
also an old url from the docs has this same brighter white https://yt3.googleusercontent.com/ytc/AGIKgqO286cJzJtTMwcbTIs-rTtMYUjvY9zSsfjE0CQlrADF-w=s176-c-k-c0x00ffffff-no-rj

dapper wraith
#

when I look at other channels with the default image they also have the white middle part.

although what I find weird is that the default pfp usually shows as the first letter of the username instead of the smaller version like the _neurosama channel has neuroShrug

image.png
hollow garnet
#

i assume _ isn't a valid character or something?

dapper wraith
#

that actually makes sense cerber127LUL

hollow garnet
#

NeuroClueless give me a minute i have a new google account to make

runic sphinx
hollow garnet
runic sphinx
#

wait so it defaults to the old 2013 avatar if the first char is not a letter?

hollow garnet
#

i guess

azure oyster
#

neuroStare So we've been studying for clues something what was generated by YouTube.

boreal plover
#

They think it looks different than the regular default avatar

#

Slightly

azure oyster
#

yeah but the weird thing thing is this pfp behaves like other default pfps, meaning that when you request a larger image from google it adds a solid colour border instead of straight resizing
i doubt that it is a custom icon if this is the case

dapper wraith
#

compare the image from the test account bred made.

the pfps look the same to me and while the full url is obviously different (with the pfps being a different color) they are very similar format-wise

safe monolith
#

Is it possible to upload different profile photos of different sizes? If not I think the fact that getting larger profile photos isn't just a resize on google's part should be good enough to assert it's the default profile pic

#

like e.g. this is 200px vs 1200px

AIdro_ng3vdmQ70ckkEDn8ODXy01T1k4iclHBSOBC5Qal-YxKcB6AAIs200-c-k-c0x00ffffff-no-rj.png AIdro_ng3vdmQ70ckkEDn8ODXy01T1k4iclHBSOBC5Qal-YxKcB6AAIs1200-c-k-c0x00ffffff-no-rj.png
#

vs 200px vs 1200px on neurosama

OiaJrMYn4NeVv_b9QeihVvkgzecWLKE_4Bnpa-t582mTtj9dBjsecF05b2RmLIGKDyajPmv-s200-c-k-c0x00ffffff-no-rj.png OiaJrMYn4NeVv_b9QeihVvkgzecWLKE_4Bnpa-t582mTtj9dBjsecF05b2RmLIGKDyajPmv-s1200-c-k-c0x00ffffff-no-rj.png
#

surely no formal verification needed NeuroClueless

#

so surely i just use this fact for the monitoring tool right

#

just get 200px, 1200px, downscale 1200px and assert they're dissimilar

#

does the url stay the same if the profile pic changes

#

it does not

#

wait

#

Anything prefixed by AIdro in the path seems to always be called unnamed.jpg

#

oh

#

On my personal YouTube account (the one that comes with your Google account), my profile photo uses the AIdro prefix, so I also get unnamed.jpg

timid swift
safe monolith
#

doxxed, i am indeed gggggdddddxhhhhhhzz

timid swift
#

could the name depend on where you created the profile / uploaded the image? Eg if you go to your google account and change the image it gets one name, but if you go to youtube and change the same linked profile image, it gets another name?

safe monolith
#

seems possible, but that seems like it'll leak some info about the user. specifically, this means that i can differentiate between Google-linked YouTube channels (so a "real" identity that has a backing email address) and an independent YouTube channel (the ones you create separately on YouTube)

#

so based on the above, I can say that neurosama is not the email's main account

#

feels like an oversight, idk. i doubt it

timid swift
#

I mean, yes, but honestly I wouldn't expect google to care

#

there are probably glaringly obvious ways to tell as well if you dig deep enough

safe monolith
#

welp. i'm just here to figure out what to track, so i'll just implement a way to get the profile photo and yt banner and be on my merry way. summary of what i learnt:

  • If the profile photo changes, the permalink doesn't update. It's immutable
  • Unless there is a way to upload different profile photos for multiple resolutions, only default profile pictures do the color-filling-resizing-thingy
  • channels4_profile.jpg vs unnamed.jpg mystery
timid swift
#

nice

digital radish
#

YT's pfp isnt generated, soundcloud has it too

#

was it mentioned?

#

pretty sure soundcloud had a hidden hash in pfp (might have been the banner)

timid swift
#

That soundcloud uses the same image doesn't mean it can't be generated on youtube.
If I remember correctly, someone noted that the soundcloud account's image looked like a poorly cropped screenshot of the youtube profile picture

digital radish
#

also the silhouete pfps (default youtube pfp) were "discontinued" in 2020, being replaced by the letters one

timid swift
digital radish
#

however it falls back to the old version if the first letter is a special character

#

hm...

timid swift
#

right, _ as a letter would be image wouldn't work.

digital radish
#

the shitty quality says its not generated by yt, while basically everything else says its generated by yt

#

i still doubt it, while its the old version, a new account (after 2020) cant generate that

#

not only the colors are not the same (you'd get gray, darker pink)

#

that pink silhouete pfp is basically associated to various youtube copypastas

#

but i might be wrong or theres a glitch Shrug

timid swift
digital radish
#

uhhh

#

idk i just watched alot of copypastas and recall seeing those pfps

#

might be cuz...

#

yeah makes sense, its the old pfp

safe monolith
#

right now we just need a contradiction to the resizing claim

#

if it's an uploaded image, the colors won't be padded. the image will genuinely be resized normally

digital radish
#

the ultimate test is just creating a bunch of "_" accounts

dapper wraith
digital radish
#

yep

safe monolith
#

the quality can be "upsized" by changing the s176 parameter

digital radish
#

nvm that one is mobile being mobile

Screenshot_20240518-095743.png
timid swift
#

Last we discussed this, we noted that the shape is not the same as the normal default person shape. So unless the head size also varies, this implies it's not the current default at least

image.png
safe monolith
#

gimie a sec lemme test with bred's account

wispy thistle