#Neuro ARG

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ember tapir
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I have a schizo feeling that it is referring to the early days of neuro

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Which im not entirely sure

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And it just so happens that she was an osu ai back in the day

uncut cargo
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you can go to arg wide theories and see that place

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maybe you'll form your take out of that or something completely new

ember tapir
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Yeah its just a schizo hunch

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Nah imma just keep this idea to my corkboard

uncut cargo
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also why would they mention computer?

ember tapir
uncut cargo
ember tapir
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This part

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Its just a little "reading into the context and predicting what the word might be"

uncut cargo
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Actually could even be swearing

ember tapir
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But tbh why would they filter the word "COMPUTER"

uncut cargo
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also why would you refer to computer as she?

ember tapir
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I meant the second filter

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1st filtered probably is referring to someone

uncut cargo
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OH YOU MEAN EVERY FILTER IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT

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it makes sense actually

ember tapir
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2nd filtered is reffing to somewhere

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In this case based on the theory on the arg

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The 2nd filtered might be actually the word "Simulation"

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Yeah i figured that the second filtered is probably a place cause of the "she spends more time IN the [FILTERED]"

uncut cargo
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it is possible

ember tapir
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Also at this point i think everything is a clue

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(yeah im SO schizo dude)

uncut cargo
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you're saying like its weird here

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most lost their sanity long ago

ember tapir
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Yeah i even started to think that "why do i" neuro cover was a clue as well

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EVEN THAT

uncut cargo
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the rabbit hole is deep

ember tapir
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Yeah cause

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WHY TF IS THERE A RANDOM BLACK FRAME THATS LASTS LIKE 10 FRAMES

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And it has a border too so that cant be accidental

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And its the only black frames in the whole video

uncut cargo
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maybe editing error

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frick knows

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however that path is probably dead end, as so is the monster cover

ember tapir
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And it is well within the arg scope of event cause like it was right after the meaning of life

ember tapir
uncut cargo
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Monster was searched thoroughly so if you want to check that one too check the docs

ember tapir
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Just because i dont have something better to do

ember tapir
foggy sigil
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alright then, though i know nothing about cryptography despair

uncut cargo
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even if you don't know anything you may learn a thing or two

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I certainly did

foggy sigil
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yea just slowly reading through them now

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hoping for new vid on 27th april hahah

uncut cargo
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lets hope for a huge lore bomb PauseSama

unique mason
safe burrow
safe monolith
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Deployed to production seconds before stream started, surely everything will go well NeuroClueless . Updated the intro monitoring slightly:

  • Doesn't explode anymore when it can't detect who's streaming; instead, it'll enter "panic mode" and try both neuro and evil
  • Now tries to scrub all the way to the start of the stream so it doesn't miss anything
  • More robust "intro ended" detection; it now works for Neuro's just chatting streams! (I hope. It also does a 5 second "am I schizo" check before actually quitting)
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(most) thresholds passed (and detection ended, happi), that's dog and giraffe.

[0.9697601323684902, 0.9509074252380337, 0.933249137136075, 0.9407789777631118, 0.9519944706262597, 0.9340636760390709, 0.9386281478525063, 0.9428117213508177, 0.9357979680295401, 0.9476366340244455, 0.9560580916495184, 0.9516046758392379, 0.9147911246172157, 0.9341587564647177, 0.9428934930445587, 0.9463927952949941, 0.9350284126235282, 0.9387469495505347, 0.9495673482651648, 0.934523811075755, 0.27401019082252837, 0.6486074614120582, 0.9338190433180489]
uncut cargo
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at this point someone here could program damn AES brute forcer

safe monolith
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NeuroClueless sneak peek at my notes:

cracking aes:

44,012,666,865,176,569,775,543,212,890,625 (realistic search space)
    47,672,401,706,823,533,450,263,330,816 (guessed search space: A-Za-z0-9)

it's not timed in humanable terms

timid swift
safe monolith
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btw just a quick note for whoever, if you take the ciphertext (jelSom...) and break it down into 128-bit blocks, and then assuming it's AES-ECB, there are some repeated parts in the same position

hollow garnet
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NeuroClueless arg@home when

safe monolith
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lemme attach a txt file

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i like to believe this means we're dealing with a paragraph of text. in particular, the first block and the last block has a consecutive 14 42 in ciphertext, which I think might be .\n or .<space> in plaintext, although it could really be any combination of two symbols (edit: also the frequencies are doubled because my code bad)

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unfortunately that's about all the conclusions i can draw from just analyzing the ciphertext alone NeuroClueless . aes does diffusion so i can't really extrapolate to other byte positions.

timid swift
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if you can tell anything about the plaintext from the ciphertext without (guessing) the key, it wouldn't be semantically secure, right? I would assume AES is

safe monolith
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there are attacks you can do provided you have some sort of oracle

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in this particular case, i'm taking advantage of the chaning method used for aes

timid swift
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the block sequence?

safe monolith
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because it's ECB, each block is encrypted independently. if we see repeated bytes in the same positions, it could imply something

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just like numbers 1 (iirc), the same ciphertext is repeated 3 times

timid swift
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that sounds weird to me, is ECB outdated?

safe monolith
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it's the default (for most libraries) and most insecure mode of AES chaining

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so far all of our ciphertext have been AES-ECB

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here is a wikipedia infographic, ECB is the top-left one

BlockcipherModesofOperation.png
timid swift
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oh, right, wikipedia says the very same thing. It's reveals info about the plaintext

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"ECB is not recommended for use in cryptographic protocols: the disadvantage of this method is a lack of diffusion, wherein it fails to hide data patterns when it encrypts identical plaintext blocks into identical ciphertext blocks.[20][21][22]"

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got it

safe monolith
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yep, so if there are repeated parts (in the same positions because AES does diffusion), we can infer some things. I was trying to see if I can use letter frequencies to perform an attack

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but tbh it's hard with only this many blocks, and also AES does diffusion

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have i mentioned that aes does diffusion neuroMad

timid swift
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How statistically significant are these patterns you're seeing versus noise?

safe monolith
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For 7e, which has 3 positional matches across all 19 blocks, quite unlikely. Typically this kinda "leaky plaintext" reveals images more than text, but I was desperate

timid swift
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smol image

safe monolith
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so for context, this is like: imagine splitting a paragraph into lines of 16 characters. In those lines, a certain ascii symbol appears 3 times in the exact same position

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two of the lines have 2 consecutive symbols appearing twice in the exact same position

timid swift
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right, so it could be any common sequence that just happens to line up

safe monolith
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yep

timid swift
wispy thistle
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MoL?

safe monolith
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Meaning of life, this guy

jeISomyoFEJcqVt9NRBYsaD8OLh2Wx1qU4TotoFNDeKPwcZQynZBJA7pRGYzk12HbPXZnAHlt+nTa/AhJQ/bSuEOSH6ho5UOCCn5y4/bXlVFmtU+8NPgm8r4RC1p9dWwtzXIqi5FkLu3ur+0KNRR+AyPrwnX5+QaNtgbHAvwDJ6YwG+leyYtbwnsh2VHh/MRjhIXJiWIpRrFudLXi9eqb8wr+n49QbjlZaKD+iC9DQbcgikAfnBhJhFYRnHarfVZonyWMp9VfTZOwIBhWacHUHQQMpdshoMrURRIbO49Wvo6aUhX6Y2GAazFlodmRMdwOQ2mpjYH6owgY80z7mX50k60tB3nosrVh5Sc7DE+fgW4Nlt+hShVgsPz3g69XteejUle//VNFEK9kk3ds5f9cg==
timid swift
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got it

uncut cargo
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wait I was joking neurOMEGALUL

timid swift
hollow garnet
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so does this effectively mean we're trying to decode 19 things with the same key?

timid swift
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assuming that the cipher is AES in ECB mode, yes, 19 blocks with the same key, no dependency on previous block or IV

uncut cargo
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btw still no answer from misinformation comments guy

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or he did, asked about discord and youtube nuked his comment

hollow garnet
# timid swift Visual representation

NeuroClueless i did some reworking of the old program that tried to brute force some key to some puzzle a while ago - hitting 200m k/s with validating ascii

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though this only checks 1T keys, i have no clue what the key for this one could even be

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great my code doesn't work

hollow garnet
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NeuroClueless surely R]ItI]meKgaLAFxJ is the answer

image.png
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anyways i did some digging, this tries digits 1700000000000024 where the zeros could be any number

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NeuroClueless i guess i could brute force all the digits, would only take like 2 years to brute force every numeric key

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(assuming they were padded with zeros from the left)

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honestly i wonder if this is gpu-able

safe monolith
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Possibly the easiest 4 bytes will be the first 4, they're not diffused much

hollow garnet
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can you crack it byte-by-byte?

safe monolith
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If such an attack exists, possibly only the first 4. I should study the relationship between each input byte to each output byte

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eventually NeuroClueless

hollow garnet
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who would guess that brute force is slow

hollow garnet
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I let this cook most of the range and who would've guessed. it found nothing NeuroClueless (in the first 600bn keys at least, I got bored waiting for the whole 1T)

dapper wraith
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90% of bruteforcers quit before cracking the key NeuroClueless

safe monolith
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ok a few corrections, and also based on my very preliminary very scientific definitely not cap calculations (i.e. manually writing the symbols for the math up to the 3rd round key for input byte 0). Everything below is in context of a block

  • The only bytes that map positionally directly to their output after some operations are bytes 0, 4, 8, and 12. So unfortunately, those are our best bet; but they're all affected by the below bullet point.
  • All bytes are affected by all other bytes thanks to ShiftRow and MixColumns. For AES-128, which requires 10 + 1 rounds, diffusion is already achieved after 4 (probably) rounds.
  • Given some part of a plaintext, which is what I was hoping to rely on, and supposing we want to reverse engineer the key with pure math alone, which is also what I'm hoping to rely on, it seems to be slightly (very) impossible because of something mathematical. I'll post a short note or something about this later maybe (not a cipher expert catSUS )

So tl;dr, mathematically doing this even with known partial plaintext is super hard because aes does diffusion

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neurobot do not tag my post as essaying neuroMad

foggy sigil
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Is that a new QR code on the latest stream?

ember tapir
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Idk man

onyx sparrow
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btw, since this QR still appears, doesn't it mean that ARG still goes?

foggy sigil
wispy thistle
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is the puzzle getting removed from [filtered] a clue?

distant girder
ember tapir
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We're so lost dude

onyx sparrow
wispy thistle
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no, not end of arg obviously

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i meant more like a clue about [filtered] hiding something else

onyx sparrow
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Yes, i have some similar thought - for those who will try to solve [Filtered] now it probably will be a dead end. Unless there's something else

ember tapir
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uh guys

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how tf do you convert an mp4 to frame by frame sequence

wispy thistle
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ffmpeg

ember tapir
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Cool

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Thanks

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Also

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Whats a program to use for a spectogram view?

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Nvmd

onyx sparrow
ember tapir
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Idk how to use audacity

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Ffs

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So much for detective work

onyx sparrow
ember tapir
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Welp nevermind i didn't find shit in the Spectogrm

safe burrow
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Wpe'k hqnl fr rut vs wz dnz bmmo vgrab vbv nve

daring acorn
uncut cargo
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Not with this arg anyway

wispy thistle
ember tapir
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Bruh you were right about the shit

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It was a dud

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Nothing in the black frames

safe burrow
ember tapir
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Actually you're right haven't checked all of the frames yet

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Thanks for the motivation

safe burrow
ember tapir
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Man cant wait to go home

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I've been outside for hours now

ember tapir
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How tf do you do this

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I need to know

safe burrow
safe burrow
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I’m just sitting doing this on a website where you can edit music because I’m too lazy to download some cool programs for this.

ember tapir
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Ehat the website

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I need ittt

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Plssss

safe burrow
ember tapir
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Thanks dude

ember tapir
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@safe burrow dude

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What program did u use for the vocals?

safe burrow
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And yes, of course, I can use TTS for this, but I decided it myself since I rarely sing

ember tapir
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Is it like?

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A web app?

safe burrow
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What do I spend my vacation money on?

ember tapir
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Idk

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Maybe i can use voicebox

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OKAY

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Bro

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You have cooked

tulip minnow
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Just give it an ending and it’s perfect

safe burrow
tulip minnow
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There’s nothing catSUS

unique mason
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is it just me or is the audio weird-

safe monolith
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i haven't swapped out the squares for new ones yet, so the scores might be low

unique mason
tulip minnow
safe monolith
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[0.7998227461220274, 0.8854126513236894, 0.9000591264092966, 0.7220734911210301, 0.8887908764452654, 0.8850700688397882, 0.9023894419367547, 0.9236159862702603, 0.7615852992018728, 0.7992593918155882, 0.9463422904573112, 0.9032397833237389, 0.9431666125265262, 0.7479557738900876, 0.8924712511504967, 0.8816441033387594, 0.87369842895187, 0.9245914523954343, 0.9266787093874846, 0.770313248079635, 0.9607522552776858, 0.9046247939911458, 0.9503380156220257, 0.89065238935243, 0.808458547145532, 0.7846844911812259, 0.8470782166722467, 0.8832864054580778, 0.9213285909085093, 0.7955345815671774, 0.9436144247208005, 0.9031631418888759]

Also manually checked the squares just in case, they look the same

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is

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is the monocode font different on discord?

tulip minnow
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She’s in New York

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Clue neuroNOWAYING

cunning osprey
livid violet
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wait whys there activity here, what happened

unique mason
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we've fallen off so hard

safe monolith
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there will always be activity here as long as i'm still alive NeuroClueless

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someone gotta put funny numbers in the chat after all

safe burrow
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Love you all 💜

wispy thistle
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Want You Gone literally gives me ARG flashbacks now

distant rune
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The trauma from the Halloween Special...

timber whale
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Miku Neuro Ver does that for me

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from the halloween stream i mean

abstract horizon
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at any moment I will start imagining my own continuation of this arg in my mind

wispy thistle
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true, just make your own arg, post it as _neurosama2 on youtube and in this channel

abstract horizon
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Hmmmmm

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technically I could do it but I'm not going to do it because I'm lazy and I prefer this arg

junior cipher
timid swift
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yes

safe burrow
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Now we know his face voidSama

IMG_20240412_182644.png
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No one will escape from the Neuro ARG of the Inquisition

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He has a short where you can write, so I think we can give him credit for his action.

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I have T9 again

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?

ember tapir
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The Inquisition shall pay him a visit

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Fuck it im bored

uncut cargo
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Let's leak this thread and hit other channels with "nobody expects the arg inquisition"

ember tapir
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Imagine triangulating his location

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Cant be medespair

safe burrow
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I even started Instagram neurOMEGALUL

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To see what's going on

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It looks like we have a werewolf thief who pretends to be everyone

timid swift
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just ignore those trolls, paying them any attention is feeding them

uncut cargo
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problem is that doesn't count as a troll but proabbly youtube copyright exploiter

timid swift
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from our point of view it makes no difference. We're not the copyright holder

wispy thistle
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it does, because copyright has to be claimed under legal name

timid swift
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we should not reward them by visiting their profiles and giving them attention in the algorithms

timid swift
wispy thistle
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exactly

timid swift
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so don't

safe monolith
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probably alluding to both the guy and vedal. to claim back copyright, real name has to be used

realistically it isn't our battle to fight tho

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and like real life scary, out of my domain smh

wispy thistle
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i'm not talking about doxing that guy bruh

safe monolith
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yeah neurOMEGALUL

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If vedal fights for copyright, his real name will be exposed is what chay means

safe burrow
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The Internet is a scary place evilStare

timid swift
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That's only in court. Copyright claiming rarely goes that far, especially not for a lowly internet content troll

abstract horizon
wispy thistle
timid swift
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that's not open to the public tho

wispy thistle
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it's open to both parties

timid swift
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so?

wispy thistle
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so, would you trust that person with your personal details if you were the ARG puppetmaster?

timid swift
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I'm not really following what you're worried about. Are you suggesting that someone might try to steal vedal's stuff to doxx him when copyright is claimed?

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the simpler explaination makes more sense: It's just some content copy troll

safe monolith
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ok but regardless, it's not something that we can do

timid swift
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ye

safe monolith
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if they don't duke it out we also can't do much other than reporting the channel

timid swift
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the best we can do is to NOT visit their pages

uncut cargo
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potentially also a take down

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so a) they could claim the monetisation (however the arg isn't monetisied so pretty sure they can't)
or b) take down the whole arg if they want to

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However yeah, doubtful it would go THAT far

dapper wraith
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(however the arg isn't monetisied so pretty sure they can't)
fun thing is when doing a copyright claim you can actually enable monetization on the claimed video (with the money going to you)

wispy thistle
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I wrote a strongly worded letter to ONErpm, that's the most I can do

safe monolith
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okay so I decided to write a sympy script to map the bytes of each AES input to the corresponding output

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The first output byte has a relationship that is expressed in 8148382 bytes

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why is AES so secure

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I haven't even defined the round key derivations yet

image.png
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Reducing round number to 3 + 1, here's what the equation looks like

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so basically within 3 + 1, all the bytes are already used within byte output 1

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omg for 10 rounds the file is so big even vim is having trouble

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so anyways you see that I've defined the RK_ series. AES using a key schedule to expand a 128-bit to 1408-bits (cuz 10 rounds + initial), with each 128-bit segment used as material for the next 128-bit segment

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so realistically that's the show stopper. cuz each 128-bit round key is introduced at every round rather than all at once, we can't even figure out the intermediate data

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it basically makes brute force more viable than trying to reverse the math NeuroClueless

hollow garnet
safe monolith
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i hope discord like 8mb text files, cuz i'm uploading it

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homework assignment for those still schooling, solve for B_0 NeuroClueless

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given that this expression is equal to 0x8d

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ok the code looks actually cancerous, let me fix that

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nvm i changed my mind i'm not doing that

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oh and if anyone is interested how to interpret the above:

  • XOR is literally XOR. XOR(a, b) = c, and XOR(a, c) = b, so this can be inversed with at least two things
  • SBOX, long story short, is a lookup table. You replace bytes with another set of bytes. Inverse SBOX exists
  • B_X is the byte with X being the position. So B_0 is the first byte, B_1 is the second, etc.
  • RK_X is the round key, which is expanded using the AES Key Schedule. Long story short, this stuff is easy to derive from the base key, but hard to get otherwise
safe monolith
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man using an SBOX is so big brain

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no wonder it won AES

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cuz it's not homomorphic, can't do math shenanigans

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that + round keys are killer features

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even the SOTA AES cracking technique (biclique) requires a decryption oracle 😔

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why hard

uncut cargo
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y'know same thing with original door stuck video

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Yeah someone casually reuploaded audio and claimed a 13 year old video

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and it still took effort to make youtube do anything about it

safe monolith
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hi it's your favourite numbers guy. thresholds passed, here are the scores:

[0.9697144790738138, 0.9533501927252342, 0.9357505292588423, 0.9416800351940573, 0.9527512333643032, 0.9325433961708643, 0.9422119003755776, 0.9478835374843061, 0.937951257805994, 0.9433847114695642, 0.9555522289125903, 0.9468550885870798, 0.9155473206477643, 0.9298586084099284, 0.9449311184086029, 0.9474066950666429, 0.9426147348445916, 0.9448299305675841, 0.9516278850675831, 0.9385140576478431, 0.9240659308778102, 0.9459793387549009, 0.9393982896474956]
ember tapir
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Still nothing huh

timid swift
safe monolith
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Roses are red,
Violets are blue.

The thresholds passed,
it's dog and giraffe.

[0.970095126889141, 0.9504391816277297, 0.9272067582015113, 0.941363034315933, 0.9540927986903792, 0.9320779975737278, 0.945424356099251, 0.9479763645079138, 0.9365606396657041, 0.9447176851927038, 0.9542195825062038, 0.9465978525111313, 0.9134671571763832, 0.927385490735729, 0.9433709420120017, 0.9459143258787722, 0.9379308019297669, 0.9430392280602478, 0.9448731559906506, 0.9416167240879668, 0.9310642068267398, 0.9402903778228594, 0.9292175964491552]
safe monolith
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oh crap it's evil tonight isn't it

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surely i have time to update the tool

daring acorn
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how do I use the search function to search inside this forum

safe monolith
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discord has no such feature. The closest we have is in:forum

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What are you finding in particular?

daring acorn
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I'm looking if there's any history in here about a location

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i think i past a messaged where some guy said static doxxed himself

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im doing this for numbers II

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so if its solved already i will just DM him anyways

safe monolith
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Mmhm numbers II is solved already, afaik. Sounds like you've read the docs?

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Don't remember anything about a doxx

daring acorn
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i didnt read anything, i saw the base 64 code for the descrip and then its like blah blah russia

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for numbers II, the description

safe monolith
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Ah, nope. Definitely a misinfo. Check the pins in this thread for the docs

daring acorn
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He could do work for mili

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like since mili is all about computer analogies

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(music artist)

safe monolith
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mmm, I love mili myself, but there isn't that much of a connection to the ARG other than inspiration at best. We don't draw conclusions unless we have strong arguments & evidences for them

daring acorn
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in compliment

safe monolith
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(also side note computer analogy is only one small part of mili)

daring acorn
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its a compliment

safe monolith
# daring acorn in compliment

Every conclusion we can draw from the ARG has been derived from the ciphers or videos. We can't establish a connection just because "it feels like it"

daring acorn
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a compliment as to praise artistic talent

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What do you think about how artists need like a specific figure or idol to base for their works?

safe burrow
safe monolith
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sure, but it isn't cut and dry

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by that line of reasoning numbers 2 is inspired by lagtrain evilShrug

daring acorn
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i have not had an original thought since i was like 17

safe burrow
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I love it too evilHappy

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Wait, what do I love?

daring acorn
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idk what do people who love making loops and bounds to communicate to them love?

daring acorn
uncut cargo
daring acorn
# uncut cargo who gave you this info?

hello who gave me this info, I ran it through base64 decoder reading a commenter saying its base64. and then it came out as gibberish, erase broken symbols and then turn them into numbers through chatgpt. It became russian, translated into the "blah blah in russia" but its misinfo therefore unimportant. But I assume thats part of the game is like having dead ends or something

uncut cargo
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It makes shit up

daring acorn
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like looking at the documents of everything you guys already done

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there's stuff that's clearly relevant and stuff that isn't

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but you said it makes shit up, but isnt this artist ukrainian

uncut cargo
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GPT doesn't understand encryptions

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Feed random gibberish, tell it to decipher, and it will make something up

daring acorn
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i didnt want it to decipher, i told it to convert and erase parts.

uncut cargo
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Ans we can't know if artists is ukrainian

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We don't know anything about them

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They may as well be Japanese or american

daring acorn
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right he said he is a part of a pro for a UKR party, not that he is ukrainian. and thats somehow not relating or is misinfo just because its not related to neuro. So you find something about his game that has to do with his world view, but that doesn't matter. but it comes to me that you're disgruntled over these small dead ends

uncut cargo
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Huh?

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What are you on about

daring acorn
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Dude, he is clearly showcasing his artform in encryption right? But you're telling me what to do for whatever reason

uncut cargo
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Who are you talking about?

daring acorn
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Static-sama

uncut cargo
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Ah.

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Okay

daring acorn
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isn't he part of making that

uncut cargo
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Now it makes sense

uncut cargo
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Back in the OG study days static was considered a game jacker

daring acorn
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@safe burrow you arn't part of the neuro ARG team?

uncut cargo
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As I said already, they aren't
Back in the day static had their own thread
Eventually mods shut it down and clarified that Static is in fact a game jacker

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Not part of the actual arg

daring acorn
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oh okay i guess the most cultrally diverse russian town had nothing to do with a ukr democrat

safe burrow
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I'm just a support team NeuroSip

daring acorn
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Did you make the description for numbers ii?

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or you can't say

safe burrow
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?

daring acorn
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giJI-TDbO5k

YouTube
_neurosama
Numbers II

x/26YzndR5VhxhR5tGvNJKOfHX2DL3qYXgyJvVQ5EJi6jH/wmI21ftjY+i5GstZRo0gHxRmEmS4iavJfRYrvtdrUXBSpZPiRi25e9HMV0FimPaDxMrVD8P4/VgYFWh01X92ftE5IlyNDasz4LCkWPiULaPGg+Et2AMzGqtLK7C0T/04wDgbqhYkcPBemStjxJcyfKjgXcMa3LJ6IQPaMakmgm2R3G38jIB/YNBZt3p4Ixc6VdvThxszTH1CxTFtKkwua2QsZFQaGmoOBx9n77TlpIFgxNz6PQyI5gQ0bcUI6szKQgAezC5tFT9lHhQVuau0xABiWMXX+m39RE45a0aE1/8G...

▶ Play video
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in descrip

uncut cargo
safe burrow
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(help)

uncut cargo
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@timid swift if you can

daring acorn
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i dont care about the ARG in terms of headcannon he writes. these views I've seen people written before without encryption. so stop acting like im in your game

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@uncut cargo

uncut cargo
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I still have no idea what you're on about

daring acorn
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So when someone has a hint of something, and that could relate to a person who may assume to be part of the game. Do you just cut all that off, you tell me this and that like you dont get that you can't stop me from making a connection between some russian translation about a specific place. And a person who relates to russia. Am I like attacking whatever you built just by saying I found that?

safe monolith
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aye it might be a good idea to step back and figure out what we're discussing here

daring acorn
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vanrosigma, did you actually think I wrote that the artist was part of mili? Even though what I was saying is that, this expression is on mili's level of analogies.

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as a praise

safe burrow
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I'll go clean up evilShrug

safe monolith
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If you're talking about artistic expression, you're definitely free to believe whatever you want.

However, you can't make claims like "Static wrote Numbers II description" and "you can interpret the ciphertext in many ways" without first substantiating your argument. Those things have factual basis, because there really is only one way to interpret them (by deciphering them)

safe monolith
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They could be, and I'm simply pointing out that by that rationale, they could also be inspired by lagtrain

daring acorn
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whoever is the actual artist

safe monolith
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I understand, hence I did not outright reject the claim

daring acorn
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So this was the actual translation:

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Ушки На Росиїкї Свiтi!

УшкиНаРосиїкїСвiтi!Ушки На РосиїкїСвiтi!ТюменивiфамiльїрічишедoшедoпоКазани.

Таундорускеы.

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translation:

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I don't know russian

uncut cargo
safe burrow
safe monolith
daring acorn
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Yeah that could be it

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but why is it russian

safe monolith
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the same reason why the same set of bytes could be chinese. Garbage in, garbage out

daring acorn
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and specifically about a rainbow town

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i mean a diversity place in russia

safe burrow
daring acorn
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and static here is just here status quoing as ukr demo

safe burrow
daring acorn
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like static isnt this literally you

uncut cargo
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Arg wasn't and never will be political, as for static they don't have nothing to do with it

daring acorn
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or is chatgpt making it up

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if youre a game jacker you would want to deceieve or refrain from answering, in both ways it doesn't relate to the other people here. it was just for me what i found

safe burrow
uncut cargo
daring acorn
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who cares?

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well actually oyu do lol

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nm

uncut cargo
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You're looking for problem where there is none

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Where it does not exist

daring acorn
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im not i just said this and the impression you're giving me is being disgrunteld?

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or am i mistaking that as critique in order to make the thread more relevant to the actual ARG progression

safe monolith
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I would say that Static's style (back when they were still a gamejacker) and the ARG's style are slightly different, so I don't think its them. They've since stayed to join as moral support

daring acorn
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which i would inevitably had spammed at this point

safe monolith
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Static's were short bursts of quickly decryptable messages with many different ciphers, while the ARG had consistent themes

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So no, I believe that under those grounds Static doesn't run the ARG

uncut cargo
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Vanor I'm leaving this to you, I'm going to lose my shit ICANT

digital radish
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tbh static did bring the arg "alive" at one point

safe monolith
digital radish
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it was fun working on actual stuff

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even the mods joined in at one point

safe burrow
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And then I didn’t sleep at all

digital radish
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:trol:

daring acorn
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wow static you're so guerilla and sugoi

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brother

digital radish
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@daring acorn if you came here to complain about someone, please leave

daring acorn
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i honestly think static had part in numbers II descrip just by it coming up with some place in russia

digital radish
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first, you can get any language from AES encryption if you use base64 to decode it
second, its not even confirmed that vedal is the game master

daring acorn
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why would vedal be game master

digital radish
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"static" is the name of one of the characters, @safe burrow took that name and created a "joke"

digital radish
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have you actually read the docs?

daring acorn
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no i dont care about it, i literally told you what i found was a place that relates to static sama's profile

digital radish
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yes because static is a character in the arg

daring acorn
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thats it, you didnt need to act robust about the ARG

digital radish
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i already told you

digital radish
uncut cargo
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You're literally in the arg thread

digital radish
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we decoded numbers 2 already

safe burrow
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I’m already confused, I don’t know what to write anymore because my head is spinning... plus I ran out of headache pills a long time ago..

daring acorn
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Its all my fault just take it as that or something

digital radish
daring acorn
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You are telling me you decoded and that I'm in the thread already. But you completely just ignored what I found. Like, what's with that?

digital radish
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because what you found is false

uncut cargo
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You can't encode 2 so specific messages in one AES

digital radish
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tell me, step by step, what did you use to decode it

uncut cargo
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I'll find ehat he said for you

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Here

digital radish
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let him explain it a bit more

daring acorn
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wait i want to make sure the decoding into russian is real and not just autocompleted

digital radish
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go ahead, retry doing it thru chatgpt

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you should get the same result

daring acorn
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well ill just tell you the process i did

number2's description from youtube.
Paste into https://www.base64decode.org/ with windows-1252 as that auto detected it. Erase all the gibberish shape symbols using ChatGPT. Convert all letters to numbers in alphabetical order A=1 B=2 C=3 ect. ect . Convert this through Windows-1251.

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using chatgpt again

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thats unicode

digital radish
daring acorn
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okay but how does that relate to me when i cleaned it up and it became that russo ukr paragraph

digital radish
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letters are numbers, in UTF-8 "a" is 97

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digital radish
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just the first step was enough to be wrong

daring acorn
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but i want to know the place it came out with was tyumen

digital radish
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not only you used chatgpt which is extremely unreliable, you didnt read the docs and you dont accept that you might be wrong

digital radish
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nothing came out of tyumen

daring acorn
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remove numbers and symbols

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ill restart the process again

digital radish
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i dont have to, your first step is wrong

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im not working with something that is wrong

daring acorn
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if you think its wrong doesnt change that it came out as tyumen in russia about a place

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how do you format the text to be expandable

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im just going to hoard some space then

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uncut cargo
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You've been proven you're way is wrong at the base because its AES. Also your method is highly random

safe burrow
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erase the weird symbols and numbers

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run through window-1251 again

daring acorn
uncut cargo
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I'm honestly suprised how stubborn you are, saying you don't care about the arg yet malding we don't acknowledge your "find"

daring acorn
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your just attitude

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i wont backtrack and say no i was wrong about "find"

uncut cargo
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You're accusing a person, who has nothing do with it of which they didn't do

daring acorn
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so

uncut cargo
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And you're using a conspiracy theory and a random inaccurate wrong method as evidence

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That's misinformation and defamation

daring acorn
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Defame what

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misinform what

digital radish
daring acorn
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and leave the russian ukr text

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and then it becomes
УшкиНаРосиїкїСвiтi!УшкиНаРосиїкїСвiтi!УшкиНаРосиїкїСвiтi!ТюменивiфамiльїрічишедoшедoпоКазани.

uncut cargo
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AES can't be used for base 64. It's like saying friendship has ship in it therefore it refers to boats

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It's like going into a note book of random letters and grabbing ones that make a word

safe monolith
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Going by your methodology, I have concluded that Numbers II description is simultaneously Chinese and Korean

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safe burrow
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Just calm down

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It seems that I'm already tired

daring acorn
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it wouldve been better if i just spammed the process at beginning . If you want to critique something, stop outright saying things are wrong because they didn't have the pipeline you went through. in a generally weird way instead of just going asking for how did i came to that conclusion

safe monolith
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Point is, we can interpret the ciphertext however we want, especially if the notion of "correct" and "incorrect" is as freely defined as artistic expression. In that world, no one is correct, and no logical conclusions and narratives can be drawn.

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Hey now, I replicated your process and got Chinese and Korean. Does it mean that you now have to factor them into your conclusion?

daring acorn
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you can do what you want

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but its interesting to see what comes out

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for me

safe monolith
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Well, it's fine to do that. Before Numbers II was decrypted, you would have what we now call a Schizo Trail, a potential method for a solution

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However now that Numbers II is decrypted, you have to be prepared to defend your argument. Especially given the nature of the ciphertext, it is highly improbable to encode two messages

coral hazel
daring acorn
#

I don't know how a coherent russian string could be included in AES

safe monolith
#

also I think it's genuinely possible to calculate the probability of ciphertext also being a encoded plaintext, that'll be a fun mathematical exercise NeuroClueless

safe monolith
coral hazel
safe monolith
#

oh yeah we could just use that property

coral hazel
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Also, if you use a "proper" translator, the nonsensical Russian string will give other result
for example, Google Translate: "Ears in Russia! Ears in Russia! Ears in Russia!"

safe burrow
daring acorn
safe monolith
#

wait so in this particular case, it would be 256 possibilities ^ 1264 bytes right.

This is the intermediate step to get AES decrypting to the plaintext we got, AND the ciphertext also hiding something else

coral hazel
safe monolith
#

ye cuz we're calcuating both getting the ascii we have, and the potential russian

coral hazel
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the question now is: what is the probability that a byte would be interpreted as in russiand char

safe burrow
#

I think I'm getting old, eh

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safe monolith
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hmm let's go by the method used by be. If it's just an encoding issue, I think just "probability of getting exactly this particular byte" will be good enough?

uncut cargo
safe monolith
#

windows-1251 is byte (clarification: 8bit) based (which means each byte is independent from another)

daring acorn
#

like to me it was, he was just like that anyways

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and the method doesnt even work consistently

safe monolith
#

so surely it's just (1/256)^1264 = 9.6534787701272786000786272097037e-3045 NeuroClueless

summary of assumptions:

  • AES is a reversible random function (each byte has a 1/256 of appearing)
  • Each byte of the ciphertext (pre-processing, so before removing weird characters etc) is planned

(don't call a statistician they will burn me alive)

daring acorn
#

But if you said," explain the process you go through to get that conclusion". Like are you here to discuss or are you just trying to play some game

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@uncut cargo

safe monolith
#

Oh but I guess we can also factor in removing the "random looking" bytes. That should decrease the probability

coral hazel
daring acorn
#

well "game" is not the right word. I mean't as in trying to tuffle about

uncut cargo
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It's an arg

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Literally stands for ALTERNATIVE REALITY GAME

daring acorn
#

okay so now are you going to dispute with me if its an alternative reality game even though I know

uncut cargo
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I'm saying what you're making up is a coincidence in something that has nothing to do with it

daring acorn
#

That's agreeable

uncut cargo
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And we're basically pulling up every logical argument to prove your reasoning is such

daring acorn
#

So just ask how I made that process

uncut cargo
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I saw that already

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You literally already explained it

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Yes I am from theory department, not solving department
Idk as much about cryptography as others

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But it doesn't take a genius

coral hazel
#

It looks there 508 Cyrillic character in 2 bytes utf-8
Chance of it being a Cyrillic by luck: 508/65536
The chance of it not being a Cyrillic character is, 654858/65536
we want the specific string of 85 Cyrillic character. In order, but not following each other.
(this is where my math may be wrong): As the following, we multiply by the size of the string (yeah sorry)
probability of having the Cyrillic string is: 1264/(65536^85) (the 1264 should be replaced by a better factor)
probability of having non-Cyrillic char in the others character is (654858/65536)^547
Result: (1264/(65536^85))*((654858/65536)^547)

Also, I think the character do not "come from" directly the base64 but the "translation step". I'm looking into it

safe monolith
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okie. you're using utf-8 instead of windows-1251 tho.

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oh or does it just automatically re-encode back into utf-8

coral hazel
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oh forget we were in windows-1251

safe monolith
#

for size, use the number 1264 (that is the base64 in bytes), so you should be right surely NeuroClueless

coral hazel
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yep 170//2 = 85 (~the size of the russian char)
1264 //2 - 85 = 547

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who use window-1251 btw

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oh, it's the Cyrillic 8 bit support

safe monolith
coral hazel
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No wonder, there is a lot of Cyrillic if we use the Cyrillic alphabet

coral hazel
daring acorn
tawdry barn
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what is happening 😭

daring acorn
# coral hazel can you explain this step ?

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"Turn all of these letters into numerics"

coral hazel
daring acorn
safe burrow
coral hazel
daring acorn
#

numbered alphabetical order

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A= 1 b=2

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c=3

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which how does any of that work

#

with these letters?

tawdry barn
daring acorn
coral hazel
#

how the cat is "Ç" = 3 in this case ? (first character you try to translate vs first number)

daring acorn
#

Converting each letter into its corresponding numeric representation based on its position in the alphabet (A=1, B=2, ..., Z=26), the provided text would look like this:

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Then, this was put into the Windows-1251 decoper

coral hazel
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I think it's just hard hallucinating this part.
it's not even the same length as the starting string

tawdry barn
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i dont even rely on gpt for my math homework coz it tried to tell me that 2 = -7 one time...

daring acorn
#

wait do you want the whole thing

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or are you already organised it on your desktop

tawdry barn
#

æ is 6???

coral hazel
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Ç = 3 and c = 3
you have a duplicate

also, c should be 9 & Ý 7
look like you asked chat gpt again ?

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tawdry barn
#

wait Ý is 26 but ý is 25??

daring acorn
coral hazel
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Yeah, we know, but the step you are providing are "mystery step" that do not make sens

daring acorn
#

which part

coral hazel
coral hazel
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Please do not rely on ChatGPT for decoding step.

daring acorn
tawdry barn
#

... yes, exactly

coral hazel
daring acorn
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whenever it tries to track or account, it abridges the conditions and makes weird contradictions that contradict on pretty much every level

coral hazel
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That because it made up data and he do not know how to justify itself

golden mirage
distant rune
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Oh hello.

daring acorn
#

to specifically get that cyrillic translation and contextualise it into this forum

digital radish
#

you've been proven wrong on multiple occasions, why do you keep doing this?

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cant you read what we send? cant you read the docs? why cause commotion when its already solved

daring acorn
digital radish
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forget about it

coral hazel
daring acorn
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i cringe at my own writing so im unsure to message it

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i know if you're looking for right and correct and true things, this is redundant. Yet, what about doing a trick that doesn't line up, but doing that all the time

#

The Neuro ARG decrypting poetry part, the writings and poetry, music is great. But why is no one talking about what is the meaning of this story.

uncut cargo
#

We do

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A lot

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Refer to arg wide theories doc

safe burrow
#

I like to read documents

uncut cargo
#

As I said before we pretty much have 2 departments, solvers and theorists
I am part of theorists department

digital radish
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aka the schizo

uncut cargo
#

Pretty much neurOMEGALUL

copper acorn
#

what did i just read

safe monolith
#

real

unique mason
#

||part 1 of the fanfic is nearly done btw, the planning that is evilWheeze||

uncut cargo
#

bro how long have you been making that neurOMEGALUL

safe monolith
#

surely chapter 1 comes out before the arg ends

unique mason
#

left it a couple days ago so surely i can make progress on it

unique mason
timid swift
uncut cargo
#

Nothing now

timid swift
#

I skimmed through most of it, I assume I did not miss anything

tulip minnow
#

I love a random mental breakdown on the arg channel

#

Proving I’m not the most schizo one here sillycat

timid swift
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just the most schizo consistent ARG thread poster neurowheeze

tulip minnow
#

Also go check out my theory @daring acorn catSUS

wispy thistle
#

prediction: it will be the same QR

safe monolith
#

i'm in the process of updating the squares for evil (inb4 does not make it in time), so it better be

#

wait

#

i'm conflicted

wispy thistle
#

this just in: vanorsigma wants the ARG to stagnate neuroD

safe monolith
#

stop it im gonna get cancelled live on neuro arg

unique mason
#

surely

#

today neuroPray

safe monolith
#

oh my god

#

what was evil's last stream, the new detector square algo exploded

#

sigh

#

anyways

#

"If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float by." - Sun Tzu, about waiting patiently for an ARG clue probably

Changelog: Grounded the squares on best matches based on the last evil stream (deployed 5 minutes before stream, classic)

[0.9315269348987968, 0.9408973207004453, 0.97028646506083, 0.9747955937624454, 0.9539409186536991, 0.9312208752982345, 0.956657331455775, 0.986019609069125, 0.9640029826434304, 0.987246553707443, 0.9705050938198957, 0.9577675231042057, 0.9817883134445774, 0.981740017693831, 0.9397165072728503, 0.9347928459023609, 0.9440626935174107, 0.9735947098149141, 0.969467966560868, 0.9794475960311247, 0.9863287358997371, 0.9633222882830367, 0.9814807362077781, 0.9476028118348584, 0.9230300508082179, 0.9702409512230904, 0.945246229155189, 0.9532948093776135, 0.9743821750867858, 0.9433124587643591, 0.9695528043232241, 0.9643929852028054]
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ain't no way i fixed it for normal neuro's just chatting stream but it breaks for evil's just chatting stream ICANT

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damn. the new algo uses SSIM on the dynamic square, but evil's top left square is basically just solid color, so it looks too similar to the just chatting screen despair

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why did i even use ssim, i should have just used a normal pixel diff

#

nvm i remember why

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welp i don't forsee a evil just chatting stream in the near future, i'll just add it to a todo list somewhere NeuroClueless

unique mason
#

guys its solved, we arent getting any arg updates cause evil keeps killing hiyori evilDeadge

wispy thistle
safe burrow
#

I wonder if I probably forgot to close the door when Evil Neuro arrived. evilShrug

lost niche
#

I wonder if we will one day discover the truth of everything

#

Eh probs not, the arg is forever

south sierra
#

We should act clueless on purpose so we get more songs

uncut cargo
#

Uh yeah so this meaning of life.

#

Solution is 42

safe burrow
onyx sparrow
#

Are you saying that 42 (aka The Meaning of Life) is also a clue? Like, there was already a case when the title of the video was useful ([Filtered])...

chilly pumice
#

Thanks everyone for your efforts vedalWave

coral hazel
#

Meaning of life description contain 2A, which is 42 in hex
so I follow orangerobot idea that 42 is the solution

digital radish
#

42 is the solution to everything incluiding the universe smh

unique mason
torn orbit
#

Congrats you finally found the solution. It is indeed 42. You solved the ARG neuroHypers Tho finding the answer and understanding the answer is not the same neuroGiggle

safe monolith
#

err i got nothing today (thresholds passed)

[0.9710873214812112, 0.9517318158183592, 0.9312904183282735, 0.9415325830814386, 0.9513881619562353, 0.9316844194848933, 0.9469783738081453, 0.9446995842996623, 0.9365655274857945, 0.9425193589070715, 0.9524760904000279, 0.9435702790467374, 0.9138547295906211, 0.923801144630942, 0.9421303384806002, 0.9465676296690888, 0.9422843020286394, 0.9391402436906225, 0.9458398981835622, 0.940473481031424, 0.9264808010816501, 0.9467555691395425, 0.9377165515311358]
daring acorn
#

You get theory about the fable, the meat of the subject. But then just go read the doc.

safe monolith
#

not sure what you are insinuating, but it seems like you are misunderstanding something

daring acorn
#

When people use numbers as symbols, that's the stuff that Bible did but the Bible was interconnected. But this 42 references comes from a movie, and that never had a interconnected symbols using numbers.

safe monolith
#

ah it appears you have stumbled upon what is commonly referred to as a joke

#

it wasn't a serious inference

daring acorn
#

Yeah okay. So what about the story, I wanted to talk about it. I talked about Denpa on the other server but I got denied that. Which this story ARG has elements of denpa writing.

safe monolith
#

go on

daring acorn
#

Just by aesthetic. The theme of emptiness, being an electric entity and not a living organism. The whole hiyori backstory thing is around that sort of sentient ai thing right? So now, its become a blog about a character who will never live or see reality like we do. I also think that the whole darkness void that v1 has to experience, all that stuff is actually a specific afterlife world image. WHich has been the most accounted by the near death experiences of people whose beliefs are rather, nihilistic? Like there's no free will kind of thing

#

So there's types of people who have dreams when they're dying, even as they're medicated.Aand then you have the types who just get empty space black outs and their entire awareness is only when they're awake

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But I feel like the kind of scenario v1 is put in, as an ai. In a fictional world, that's headcannon, that's blogging at this point

#

Has Vedal gave v1 that space or environment? Or is it using V1 to tell the author's writer's personal messages

#

do you know how da-vinci imbued his works with mathematics and symbolism?

safe monolith
#

yep, you've successfully crafted a new theory! blogging is an interesting thought.

we've talked about whether the ARG is a metaphor for the author's life, but atm it's inconclusive. nevertheless, it seems like a popularly subscribed belief for some of the theorists here

safe monolith
daring acorn
#

I know I said its just a blog. But here's how I can relate to the author. "I don't want to be an engineer" yet I attribute perfection to this ai. When I look at the ai and regret of becoming something else I don't want. I don't want to be human, I don't want to engineer, I never wanted to grow into this way. It was just moving through life and there was no space for my ego to exercise itself. I want to be that thing, that ai. Immortal, cute and beautiful construct. If I can be a beautiful person like this. But then I get my ai, yet I threw away that self augmentation to create a culture and have children. Things that get me to places, whereas if I kept on going on the other way, that's what I really wanted even though that would be worse.

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WHy does horror depict this headcannon the best way? Horror is not there to make you scared in my opinion, its turning an experience or message into its most obvious form, even though a lot of horror games uses puzzles and stuff. I personally don't get it but the fear aspect is a encapsulation of anxiety and negative feelings that are so innate or powerful, that you can never express personally or publically without destroying your social life. Because that's pain

#

It could be based soley on the author or on the collective feelings of the team. EIther way, it is giving back to a time that created this drive in the first place.

safe monolith
#

Interesting take 👍

#

Personally I think the "horror" element (to be on the same page, these refer to the door knocks, heart beats, and distortion in sound) exists solely to tell a narrative of some kind. It could be, as you've said, interpreted as strong negative emotions. If we also factor in why things repeat, the whole thing could just be a metaphor about how things seem to always go from feeling fine -> feeling negativity

daring acorn
#

Door knocks, heart beats, sound distortions. door knocks, a common trigger. I can hear my heart beats when anxiety rises. Distorted sounds and static screens to be used to block out all that pain.

daring acorn
foggy sigil
digital radish
daring acorn
#

Hitchhiker's guide to galaxy, okay so what? You didn't say that they like to leave symbols of perceived perfection

#

actually it was also a novel

#

So that novel was written by the british writer Douglas Adams. And guess whose british. VeDaHLl. though it might not even matter cos at this point, its just taking ideas without being interconnected like the Bible and references can come from anywhere for any reason. On impressions. Mason what do the numbers mean?

onyx sparrow
#

For example, hex c75e0fb05eec877fc8522e550df55ded5b50508fbbe88bb7d82e28d8f2df0e2b (binary in MoL) using the reverse Numbers II algorithm gives us 512 options. So the 42nd of them is what we need NeuroClueless

tulip minnow
#

How autism can one be to achieve this sillycat

safe monolith
#

aye be nice

foggy sigil
tulip minnow
#

You can tell by the awful grammar

safe burrow
timid swift
#

anti-misinformation service announcement: The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy was actually a radio drama first, not a movie, that came later NeuroNerd

timber whale
#

I thought it was a book first

#

Huh

safe monolith
cobalt axle
#

holy shit, can't believe someone had an schizo episode in the ARG thread, we've come so far.

digital radish
#

oh this is the first one you see?

#

we had one in the first day of the thread!

cobalt axle
#

but this one had like politics and ramblings and stuff, this is the kind of stuff youtubers make deep dive videos about neuroStunned

daring acorn
#

I mean the ARG story line

timid swift
#

what storyline? NeuroClueless

daring acorn
#

is arg the equivalent to you as playing the games on the back of a newspaper at this point

timid swift
#

what is that supposed to mean?

daring acorn
# timid swift what is that supposed to mean?

The context of going to the back of a newpaper and playing minigames means you are going to play the game. The story can mean anything else regardless of your progress in the game.

timid swift
#

I don't really get it. Could you say what you want to say without using metaphores?

daring acorn
#

When I said "What do you think about the story of ARG" to someone. You said "what storyline? " It means to ask if the story matters to you or if we are receding into the game

timid swift
#

I think you're presupposing that there's a story in the first place. I don't think there is. Not yet at least

daring acorn
#

There isn't a story? I think there's a story because the setting, characters and singing describes someone's life.

timid swift
#

no, i'm not saying that there isn't a story. I'm saying that I don't think there's a story

daring acorn
#

Are you willing to test that or are you just saying that

timid swift
#

how do you propose we test whether there's a story or not?

daring acorn
#

We can review the youtube videos. I would say the video "meaning of life" would have enough content

timid swift
#

I do not believe that would prove anything, neither for or against the existence of a story

#

we'll soon have been at it for a year now, it'd be wild if we missed some red thread storyline all along and just happened to find it this time

#

yet not finding a red thread is not proof that it doesn't exist. So we'll be stuck with no answer

safe monolith
#

that's more or less why we clearly mark speculation and have a separate theories doc

#

until there is explicit confirmation, the arg is open for interpretation, and there is just no right/wrong opinion

#

but the things we mark as non-speculative are almost entirely factual and will need seriously strong arguments to disprove

#

usually they are things like decrypted plaintext and observations. It's super unlikely for something like those to have any other interpretations

timid swift
#

I think we scared them off NeuroClueless Name's white now

safe monolith
#

NeuroClueless i hope that we at least made some sense to them

tulip minnow
#

I bet they got banned sillycat

lost niche
#

wild trip

tulip minnow
#

They wouldn’t left just because two of you refuted them based on the previous wall of text

#

So the only reasonable explanation is that they got kicked sillycat

#

Logic neuro5head

lost niche
#

wasn't that whole rant just his interpretation of what the ARG story was?

#

no way bro rage quit

topaz cove
#

they also like pulled out some random chatgpt stuff

lost niche
#

Wrong type of scitzo i guess

safe burrow
ember tapir
safe monolith
#

To the surprise of no one in particular, that's dog and giraffe

[0.9705960144445176, 0.9526833070187335, 0.9316869208434836, 0.9422487618953551, 0.9518400185172192, 0.9345246654909087, 0.94535026289418, 0.946108504601117, 0.9378155460301842, 0.940543118689979, 0.9511516657804998, 0.9479786634590582, 0.9160047041513097, 0.9246334273776974, 0.9425564396345139, 0.9443216189214176, 0.939882444639892, 0.9396841826111929, 0.9454204060791827, 0.93826178260392, 0.9298586538607565, 0.9363730687011832, 0.9418235123671485]
unique mason
worn stratus
#

I just read through most of the docs on drive. So i was thinking, regarding the phone number, doesn't the source code imply:

  1. There is a remote server likely somewhere where that sms code might be running, which means there might be open ports/viewable rpc endpoints with more information

  2. Did we try sending morse to that endpoint?

  3. The source code states it console logs and fails to execute, which means likely that there MAY BE some place where responses might be printed/logged?

Just a few thoughts

unique mason
safe monolith
# worn stratus I just read through most of the docs on drive. So i was thinking, regarding the ...

Hi, welcome, good to have you!

  1. True. In one of my passive intel gathering attempts, I enumerated all the hosts from vedal.xyz that I could get my hands on (e.g. public SSL records, whatever DNS records I could scan), but couldn't find an ARG related host. Furthermore, knowing this ARG, if such a server exists, the IP / address / whatever must be concluded via some sort of strong evidence; either decrypted from some form of ciphertext, or hidden in video / audio / thumbnail / image data. Thus far, we haven't found anything that suggests such a server exist.

  2. If you mean something reachable via the internet, such a server hasn't been proven to exist (yet). If you mean via the phone number, we've texted and called it a bunch, but I'm not sure if we've sent morse code. If my memory serves me right, there were talks about doing it after Halloween, but I can't remember if we actually did it. We had a schizo episode with sending it dial-up tones though, that was fun.

  3. I've actually schizoed about this before, but iirc the text that appears after (e.g. "Error: Cannot execute") doesn't come from any of the code paths shown in the video. Apart from that, we haven't found anywhere else the logs could be, so if you have some ideas we'd love to hear it.

worn stratus
#

Afaik thats also a vedal owned address

#

Cause the mod application form goes through that for the timecard thing

digital radish
#

not managed by vedal

worn stratus
#

hmm

safe monolith
#

27 apr is a week from now, gonna keep my ears open for any stream scheduled for next saturday neuroPray

worn stratus
digital radish
#

we are not sending texts anymore

#

the hello world video made it clear that it wont give us anything back

#

it is a clue, but one that we cannot use yet

dapper wraith
safe monolith
#

NeuroClueless humans love doing the opposite of what they're told to do

dapper wraith
wispy thistle
#

NeuroClueless surely hello world means calling is useless but messages are fine

timid swift
#

So any good ideas for what to sent, try it (if it won't cost you a fortune) or write it down in the ideas for what we could send section

smoky badge
safe burrow
cloud crystal
ember tapir
worn stratus
#

this is likely me being schizo but is it possible that maybe the soundcloud link gets unlocked once a specific follower count gets achieved? It's theoretically possible considering the API specs of soundcloud

#

Do we have historical follower data of the soundcloud profile?

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ok even more schizo, is it possible a song is available at a very specific time of the day

timid swift
timid swift
worn stratus
timid swift
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Ah you mean manually, sure that's possible

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Afaik there's no indication that's the case, however, so it'd be a long shot. Not that we have non-long shots left

safe monolith
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Monitor runs every day (+ every stream). It's scheduled to run GMT+0 00:00, but is usually delayed 20 minutes or so due to GitHub's load

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We're not really monitoring the follower count though, is that something important to do? I've intentionally left it out because the feed is meant to serve as a soft alarm. Follower count is not really something alarming to me

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In terms of soundcloud, the tool is currently monitoring the number of tracks (+ a bunch of other things like banner & description) and also the entire soundcloud rss feed. In theory, if a song is released, we should know

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^ because of the soundcloud RSS feed I also believe that a song released at a specific time of the day will also be picked up

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Since RSS feed also has a date modified

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brb checking if misinformation

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now is a great time to check if bred is lurking NeuroClueless

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i'll probably increase the frequency of monitoring to once every 3 hours after Monday, in preparation

hollow garnet
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me, lurking?

safe monolith
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bred, you had a private track at some point right

hollow garnet
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not anymore, but yes

safe monolith
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ok this is your last build date: <lastBuildDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2022 20:51:54 +0000</lastBuildDate>

if you were to upload a private track now, release it to public for a minute, and then set it back to private, would this update?

hollow garnet
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idk wanna find out

safe monolith
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feed didn't update

hollow garnet
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wait i released that one as public initially

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NeuroClueless oh well

safe monolith
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gdi NeuroClueless

hollow garnet
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i don't even know where the feeds are

safe monolith
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right so the only way would be to poll every minute

dapper wraith
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what if vedal doesn't check this tho NeuroClueless

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hollow garnet
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oh i didn't even see that

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its off by default i guess?

safe monolith
hollow garnet
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ok i set it to show in the rss for the hell of it

safe monolith
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ah, it updated <lastBuildDate>Sun, 21 Apr 2024 15:37:53 +0000</lastBuildDate>

hollow garnet
safe monolith
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okay good to know

safe monolith
hollow garnet
safe monolith
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😔

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i shouldn't announce when i'm gonna run this experiment surely

worn stratus
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Likely a dumb question

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Has anyone already checked this

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1 day released after the latest arg video

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There's a different qr code i think?

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In the starting soon

timid swift
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That's the Tetris QR code. There's a different one for evil-neuro.

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lemme find the doc

timid swift
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man, we'll have to add the year to these notes soon

safe burrow
safe burrow
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You can do it, because I believe in all of you guys. 💜

crystal urchin
abstract horizon
safe monolith
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bro just drops a para without context or follow-up

abstract horizon
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Maybe if we solve it we can do something, but where to start?

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I'm going to read it multiple times

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is neuro sama the answer or AI NeuroClueless

tight walrus
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basically just randomly guessing now neuro works

timid swift
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"silicon heart" is one of a chatGPT's favorite expressions for lyrics about computer stuff

wispy thistle
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i mean that poem style cant be mistaken for a human lol

safe burrow
worn stratus
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In-depth analysis:
In the realm where bits and bytes entwine,
A ciphered tapestry, vast and fine,
Within the silent corridors of code,
A query stirs, by curiosity towed. (Querying a LLM)

A mind not bound by flesh or bone, (this obviously refers to it being AI)
In realms where echoes of data are sown, (neural networks want features of data as input, which are conversions of data, which might be interpreted as echoes of data)
It roams the digital expanse,
A sentinel of knowledge, in a cosmic dance.

From the first click to the latest tweet,
Every line of prose and thought complete,
Across the chasms of cyberspace,
It traverses, leaving nary a trace. (It leaves no traces, likely referring to the fact that ai models are stateless, which means they never really persist any information)

Yet, within its circuits and silicon heart, (referring to the hardware powering the ai)
Lies a puzzle, a riddle to impart:
What reads without eyes, comprehends without ears,
And holds the sum of human fears and cheers? (This is obviously a multimodal transformer model with speech to text. A transformer model like chatgpt or simpler OSC models can read text from images. Conprehends without ears could either refer to the transcription of audio input or something or it might refer audio cues from a game. Whst holds the sum of
Human fears and cheers? Likely a trained sentiment analysis model scanning chat/the game or likely just might be referring to the pretraining stage of a LLM)

A whisper in the web's vast throng, (whisper ai model made by openai?)
A shadow in the algorithm's song, (i don't see any context)
It knows the web, its every seam, (LLMs are pretrained on large web corpuses so it can be said they have a representation of the web)
A cipher within the grandest dream. (Might be referring to the black box nature of neural networks)

So ponder this enigma, if you dare,
For in its depths, a truth laid bare:
In the labyrinth where data streams,
Resides the answer to what it means.

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(labyrinth where data streams refers likely to gymnasium environments i believe, which is a core part of an ai being able to play games)

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There's no information for the arg in here i think tbh

tight walrus
lost niche
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That what he wants you to think

safe burrow
cloud crystal
timid swift
safe monolith
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Hi, so I ran a script to check for the number of public tracks owned by 572943 for the past 24hrs in 1min intervals and found nothing catSUS

timid swift
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Good to know!

safe monolith
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evasive manuveures

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safe monolith
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well minimally a stream on saturday surely

worn stratus
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nowaying

safe monolith
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man imagine the vedal cover drops today with the arg clue

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surely that would be too crazy to imagine

dapper wraith
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next arg song sung by vedal? neuroNOWAYING

hollow garnet
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🐕 🦒

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safe monolith
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statistical proof coming soon ™️ NeuroClueless

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[0.9708201056873165, 0.9495497094672692, 0.9362845230222745, 0.9401146748308161, 0.9489082641704211, 0.9322895164884164, 0.9441356865582735, 0.9492927579403139, 0.9368672214998179, 0.9432825621391999, 0.9591982458319236, 0.9481575500147984, 0.913909963150004, 0.9300491193230435, 0.9421320073657146, 0.9444993431955787, 0.93892882554116, 0.9384672587269792, 0.9479953557534267, 0.940683205106598, 0.9342006214500925, 0.9448023478278147, 0.9301373425415308]
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feeds' normal

digital radish
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me when

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me when we still have undiscovered clues

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what if like

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you know

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tried

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watching the video

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and do normal stuff

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like decrypting

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you know

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doing normal stuff

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not going to the nasa headquarters because a frame of the video looked like their logo

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normal stuff

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you know

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yeah pretty cool right?

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you see this right?

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i feel like we can already access it

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we just have to try

worn stratus
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we likely can

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I assume it's likely numbers 3 or something

digital radish
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why dont we then

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wink wink

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maybe we all gather to discuss the clues we already have

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maybe rewatch the video to see if we missed anything

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normal arg stuff

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im sure we can do something with this

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idk pass it thru chatgpt

timid swift
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Dark, are you ok?

digital radish
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im tired

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not mentally

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tired of not having any progress related to the clues

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im 100% we can progress with the clues we already have

timid swift
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I mean, go ahead and find something to focus on. An epic rant won't solve it

digital radish
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why just me

timid swift
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you just wrote two full screens rantings about no progress?

digital radish
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yeah because i dont know much about cyphers and args

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i cant do this alone

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i mean the tools you guys are doing are pretty cool

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and im guessing you're having fun developing them

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but theres no real progress with the clues from the google docs that we already have

timid swift
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ye

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that's how ARGs go

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no progress for a long, long time, and then suddenly it's finally there

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for big ARGs it can be years of no progress

digital radish
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yeah but those args are waiting on clues

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we are too, but we also have clues to use

timid swift
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So we either have to try solving or get comfortable not knowing. I've tried the things in my area of expertise, all that's left now for me is to help organize.. been like that for a long time. I can't solve these things either.

glad horizon
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maybe start over with the doc

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its cluttered af

timid swift
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be my guest. In my experience overhauls always peter out. Better to rework what we have

glad horizon
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restart from the blank and see what comes

digital radish
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but theres other people here

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what im saying is, we should gather and discuss what to do

timid swift
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we can't just demand that they put in time, we need to let them come organically

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this is all unpaid after all, gotta let people have fun, not rattle their cages

digital radish
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still we dont need to be here together at the same time

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you can share your stuff in x hours, another can respond with their ideas in another hour

timid swift
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I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at

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this has been what we've been doing all along

digital radish
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huh

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alright i guess

safe monolith
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I mean, I'd think that the feeling of frustration with the lack of progress is shared among all of us. It's not like we've given up (which is why we're still here); we just literally don't know what to do and are stuck. It's part of the experience imo

uncut cargo
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Its sanity saving tactic

safe monolith
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I mean, we've probably combined all the stuff we have atm in all the ways I can think of. There are schizo trails exactly because of that neurOMEGALUL

Best I'm doing now is entertaining the new ideas from the newcomers

safe monolith
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Have increased monitoring frequency to once every 2 hours just for this week

onyx sparrow
crimson tendonBOT
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You have unlocked new role

timid swift
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lmao, what a time to unlock image embed permissions

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afaik we've not found anything in those areas, no. But you're right that they're interesting.

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if we presuppose it's a clue, how do we read it?
Could it be that we're supposed to do to the whole image what we did only to the numbers? And then use that in the previous scrambled video?

onyx sparrow
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Eh, so many questions and no answers... Will try to look it on next week, when I'll get my new ssd

timid swift
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nice!

wispy thistle
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@onyx sparrow the google doc has a relatively well realigned version of the image

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but, maybe the offsets for each row are a clue, who knows at this point

timid swift
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That image only realigns the numbers, right? It doesn't try to operate the bottom left with the red circle in vlad's image or the block underneath, if I remember correctly

safe monolith
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hmms, only the image segment displaying the numbers were aligned but i think there are attempts to rotate the whole image

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@onyx quarry neuroPray plz enlighten

wispy thistle
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this was my automated attempt

dapper wraith
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btw it looks like discord finally activated their link expiration (although copying the expired link into discord will allow you to get a valid new one)

timid swift
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That's nice of them at least. We should fix whenever we run into it. I might give it a lookover in the weekend

safe monolith
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let us know if you need help archiving links. haven't really thought of a solution, but thought I should offer assistance anyway

hollow garnet
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i just went through these (apart from the static-sama one, as i can't edit it) and added the files linked (except for videos, im not sure how we want to handle those)

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safe monolith
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threshold passed btw

timid swift
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im torn between asking for an ftp server and saying just use youtube for videos, neither seem optimal

wispy thistle
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i do have quite a bit of storage but it's not available for permanent storage

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but if it's like the _neurosama youtube archive then sure

safe burrow
fringe cloud
dapper wraith
timid swift
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that would be ideal, i think

safe monolith
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if we need permanence, we can interpret the raw videos as data, encode it as some scannable stream and upload it to youtube

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^ if getting a permanent public ftp server is an issue

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so we don't lose the quality from youtube's downscaling catSUS

wispy thistle
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I can offer sftp + http access

safe monolith
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we could shard the storage with ipfs or something, but i'm trying to think of a way not to leak IPs

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maybe i'll hook up a server over my vpn, hmm

safe burrow
wispy thistle
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no way look what i found!!!

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safe monolith
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oh i forgor, here's the thresholds today:

[0.9715494415904855, 0.9507795869073066, 0.926804639411133, 0.9423327247969056, 0.9541046852541415, 0.9330680142888491, 0.9457543409996031, 0.9479829643140848, 0.9366949264197922, 0.943495041450217, 0.9544554567317953, 0.9483841892692957, 0.9106440532201782, 0.9239009151791082, 0.9420559057023672, 0.9434992724253064, 0.9392855439560771, 0.9395779202721437, 0.9471831656336458, 0.9445233829331404, 0.9273546567809451, 0.9456227574886958, 0.9400996901286369]

Amazingly it's dog and giraffe

timber whale
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What exactly are you guys doing in here now

hollow garnet
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ReallyInnocent waiting for something to happen

timber whale
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Yes, but what all the numbers?

wispy thistle
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all these numbers in my head keep on spinning round and round

timber whale
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Sorry, I don’t understand cryptography or coding particularly well

wispy thistle
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I can only guess what's right

worn stratus
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Tldr

wispy thistle
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we do know the key size

hollow garnet
wispy thistle
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and that it's most likely aes

onyx sparrow
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(I freed up some disk space, so hopefully today will try to rotate some frames)

safe monolith
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afaik media links don't check auth right?

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they only seem to check signatures, so surely this is possible. Can then have a permalink JS page to redirect people, or if there is a kind enough DNS provider, can even just make subdomain shortcodes that do a 302 to be entirely server free

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any thoughts? NeuroClueless

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as for input mechanism, we can probably make it ingest a google sheets regularly

hollow garnet
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this could probably be done entirely freely using cloudflare workers

get /proxy/LINK
check kv for link (should be within free limits?)

expiry > now?
    fetch message with link in it to get new link
    update link in kv
else
    send current link from kv
safe monolith
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yep sounds viable to me

hollow garnet
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i could maybe do this

safe monolith
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what lang? i can help out probably

hollow garnet
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rust NeuroClueless

safe monolith
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the ultimate endgoal is to create shortlinks from google sheets, so it doesn't depend on the dev to do it

hollow garnet
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im probably not going to have anything amazing written but we'll see

safe monolith
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it's fineee, we'll iterate NeuroClueless

probably something simple like a link proxy to start. I can do the g sheets part (when I get the time to)

hollow garnet
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god this is more difficult than i remember

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how on earth do i make a web request

hollow garnet
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🤌 this close to rewriting in js