#Neuro ARG

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azure oyster
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i want the former, but am doing the latter to compromise with bread

uncut cargo
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Arg wiki does sound rad, but for that we would need mostly set in stone facts and only facts we have are the puzzles themselves

azure oyster
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we can still add theories to it, can we not

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though we could add them on separate pages from factual things

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that way, it's easier to differentiate and organize

uncut cargo
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I guess but with character pages for example, we have no clear identity of them nor role in everything. There would either be dozens of possible explanations of a character or one that is believed by majority to be closest to the truth

azure oyster
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that's why i mentioned this

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i agree with that point

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character pages would be helpful, but the issue is that either we suck at determining which characters are the same/different, or that vedal is not a good arg maker aubrey_neutral_180

trail holly
azure oyster
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we have not even gotten the name of anyone yet

digital radish
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the only name we can use is neuro tbh

hollow garnet
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this is honestly pretty ok code ngl

azure oyster
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since evil did not become popular until after the arg started

uncut cargo
azure oyster
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though, then vedal added that one evil quote to the arg

digital radish
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has anyone seen the intro frame by frame?

hollow garnet
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i mean there's a lot of weird stuff but I can't aspeak as i have never gotten round to using impl Iterator when i should

azure oyster
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it's just that dedicated character pages would be a bad idea, at least at this point in time

uncut cargo
timid swift
digital radish
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first glitched frame, one of her ribbons moved

azure oyster
hollow garnet
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that isn't concerning at all

azure oyster
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for pages about videos, in order to prevent mixing factual and theoretical content, we could have theories on subpages

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and then the arg-wide theory page is just entirely theories already, minus a bit at the top

digital radish
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leg moves

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yeah nvm im not documenting all of this

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ill send sus stuff tho

uncut cargo
pulsar glen
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I am against a wiki/website for documentation because I would like to stay anonymous doing changes

timid swift
azure oyster
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isn't it possible to change whilst not logged in

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or is that a fandom-exclusive toggle

pulsar glen
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Then it logs your IP instead neurOMEGALUL

azure oyster
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yeah

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fair

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why not log in, then

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you have a username

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it's not your real name

timid swift
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that's more friction as well. We want people to contribute, not go through a bunch of loops and fall off

azure oyster
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unless you mean anonymous in another sense

azure oyster
uncut cargo
pulsar glen
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I mean anonymous anonymous. I just don't want to link what I am doing to a single username, that's like weird and stuff

azure oyster
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i don't get your logic but i guess i'll respect it

uncut cargo
safe monolith
timid swift
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point taken, unsafe blocks coming up

safe monolith
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peepopanic

digital radish
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creepy

hollow garnet
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biblically accurate neuro

safe monolith
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Lots of emphasis about eyes in that stream too

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connection to angel numbers confirmed NeuroClueless

digital radish
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first hiyori appearence

uncut cargo
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First public appearance

safe monolith
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btw the part where the iris shrinks and grows, that's not a normal opening thing right

azure oyster
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didn't she show up in the first evil intro

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in the background

digital radish
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HEROBRINE

azure oyster
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well, actually, those were neuros with "blindfolds", not hiyoris

uncut cargo
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I hate it

azure oyster
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though, this is also neuro

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so

timid swift
uncut cargo
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Imagine turning around and see that behind you

timid swift
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turning around and seeing anything unexpected behind you is scary enough already. Just ask cats scared of cucumbers

digital radish
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these are hiyori's eyes

azure oyster
digital radish
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the censored ones

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but uncensored

uncut cargo
azure oyster
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what do you mean, darkeew

digital radish
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you heard me

azure oyster
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yes i did

digital radish
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those are the eyes behind the bar in the arg videos

azure oyster
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but i did not understand you aubrey_neutral_180

azure oyster
digital radish
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because there was one frame without the bar

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lol

azure oyster
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oh what when

digital radish
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i cant remember

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i was searching frame by frame

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giving an accurate time is impossible

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but it was between 5:10

azure oyster
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oh you mean on the stream

uncut cargo
azure oyster
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you can't prove that hiyori's eyes in the ARG videos look like neuro's eyes in that one frame

digital radish
azure oyster
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that

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is covered, darkeew

uncut cargo
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In this case he points at the monitor flashing black and white I think

digital radish
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bro im not screenshotting the eyes

azure oyster
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oh okay

cosmic grail
digital radish
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neuro jumpscare tho

uncut cargo
uncut cargo
digital radish
cosmic grail
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It's a part of qr code

azure oyster
digital radish
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alright

uncut cargo
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Yes but why

azure oyster
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as well as her color-inverted variant who may or may not be a separate character

cosmic grail
hollow garnet
# cosmic grail

vangor had a shot at trying to decode this and match it up with the cushion thing

digital radish
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oh btw

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there are many more qr code parts

uncut cargo
hollow garnet
digital radish
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trying to get them

azure oyster
azure oyster
uncut cargo
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Now not only

azure oyster
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study-sama has had it on a couple of times, but not most of the time

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hiyori's only time without the blindfold has been in the gibberish-titled video

digital radish
azure oyster
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and that video is technically a single image throughout the whole video when decoded

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or, it will be, at least

uncut cargo
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Yeah hopefully one day we get an answer why is it such, or context

hollow garnet
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also i've discovered i prefer the arg version of neuro singing miku NeuroClueless

uncut cargo
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It's a banger

hollow garnet
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if it has just slightly less harsh noise it'd be perfect ngl

uncut cargo
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I like how it scratches my eardrums

azure oyster
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i wish the arg songs rhymed aubrey_neutral_180

timid swift
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some do

azure oyster
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PSV does

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though none of the former ones do

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i also wish they all had closed captions

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again, PSV does, but none of the former ones do (... and none of the ones after it do, either)

timid swift
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study does too

azure oyster
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no it does not

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you goober

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those are auto-generated

timid swift
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so they can't rhyme?

azure oyster
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oh i thought you meant the closed captions

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though i don't think i remember study rhyming

uncut cargo
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I like reheating arguments like infamous old bars do dinners on friday nights but..
New video makes me even more desperate to know who is the one that knocks iara_tilted

azure oyster
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okay study rhymes some but it's mostly the same few lines what rhyme

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like "tried so hard and got so far", and "engineer"/"career"

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i sometimes wonder whether vedal had the description of numbers 2 written out before he made study, and then plugged that description into Chat GPT and told it to make lyrics out of them

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i have never seen chat gpt make lyrics though so i don't know whether it would be able to make something like study

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not that it might not be able to make lyrics; i just don't know what kind of lyrics would be produced

azure oyster
hollow garnet
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god the folds in the qr scarf piss me off so much

azure oyster
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same, even though i'm not working on the QR codes

safe monolith
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folds despair

hollow garnet
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i can't tell if they're part of the same code or not

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honestly i might overlay an empty grid onto the star and work from there

safe monolith
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tbh me neither, but i don't have enough data anyway

timid swift
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So i noticed for the easier-visible parts that there's like a scan line, meaning every other line is junk. So i tried the rotation thing but trying to find the least difference with the line two above. This (frame 1590) is the best I've gotten so far. Original left, rotated to align with line two above right

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but more than that, on frame 453, i noticed that there's a similar thing, kinda. It's almost as if it's offset by a whole 10 lines.. a repeating pattern, as if it's 10 images mixed together. Or maybe i'm just loosing it. (colors added by me for counting and shet)

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maybe rotating with the line 10 above will yield something? Or alternative, maybe those lines are already in the correct rotation/configuration relative to each other. But I gotta do the old fart thing and go to bed now

hollow garnet
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did we ever try a scale factor of 10 for that?

timid swift
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I don't know what that means, but I don't believe i did

hollow garnet
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(idk what the term is, but we were using it originally)

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ok lemme try and explain

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think of the image as a 1d array of brightnesses, starting from the top left and moving right
the "scale" is how many times wider the image produced is compared to the orginal

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thats a bad explanation hm

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heres a video of the attempt at a 4x scale

timid swift
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oh you mean like change the wideness of the image. When the line of pixels is chunked, or carriage return

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right?

hollow garnet
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yeah

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i think?

timid swift
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no, i haven't messed with any of that

hollow garnet
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NeuroClueless i posted rust code for that i think

timid swift
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i spent a lot of time getting familiar with ffmpeg and rust itself

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maybe i'll figure it out. looked simple enough in the snippet i already stole from you

hollow garnet
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there might even be an unused function that does it lol

timid swift
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imagine if it was named something like chunking, that'd be crazy

hollow garnet
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NeuroClueless i think it was do_section

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fn do_section(lines: &Vec<u8>, scale: f32, index: usize) {
    let new_image = image::DynamicImage::new_luma8((INNER_WIDTH as f32 * scale) as u32, (INNER_HEIGHT as f32 / scale) as u32);
    let mut new = new_image.to_luma8();
    new.iter_mut().zip(lines.iter()).map(|(pixel, line_pixel)| *pixel = *line_pixel).for_each(drop);

    new.save(format!("output/frames/frame_{index:08}.png")).expect("failed to save");
}```
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that seems to do what i was expecting

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idk why i called the first arg lines but its just all the pixels in a flattened vec (ig it is all the lines)

timid swift
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i mean, i think i spotted a fun_name() in there, so i'm not gonna question it

hollow garnet
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whoops

timid swift
hollow garnet
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that's from rust-analyzer when you select a section and convert to function

timid swift
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amazing

hollow garnet
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for some reason it doesn't automatically put you in a mode where you change the function name

timid swift
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we're spoiled by dotnet tooling

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or at least i am

safe monolith
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i also have a python script that does the same if you want to use less brain power NeuroClueless

#1112082183235047506 message

requires a cropped image though

trail holly
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I think its the blink animation

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without the blinking part

tulip minnow
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Guess how I got the creepy neuros

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Creepy neuros neurOMEGALUL

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Nothing else was found by me tho neuroTroll

zenith pike
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I was wondering if anyone here knew about the cat creature who replaced vedal on haloween for the spooky intro-

potent cobalt
zenith pike
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maybe the cat being back for that was meant to sorta invoke the thought of older neuro times hiyori

uncut cargo
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Fact that cat has no face is weird too

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Of course that might've been just for the creepy factor

safe burrow
lusty stag
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I mean if the Cat apeared it could be three things, the screen was being work on before the change, what you say about It being a representation of older times or the Cat IS a clue on some way maybe search when the screen changed to vedal? The first one and second one seem the most likely anyway and i not want anyone to waste their time on a wild goosechase.

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Or maybe being a Cat instead of vedal could mean that hiyori or study girl or whoever It Is that she doesn't like vedal or that she doesn't know him

uncut cargo
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or that vedal as a character isnt connected to the arg at all

lusty stag
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That also sorry for grabbing at straws

uncut cargo
lusty stag
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I mean It would make thematic sense i think, with the story that we have been pressented being you know turn into an ai and all that to be only treated as entertainment normaly you would dislike the ringmaster in this case vedal

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Well there was also the message about her being with a family or being adopted by one

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And iirc the charecter IS kind of divided into two so maybe the litle sister part likes the family while the other part does not as much (this i could be wrong)

timid swift
uncut cargo
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wouldn't make sense either for them to be working with cat anyway

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unless ARG was planned that far in advance

timid swift
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planning ahead? What is that

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but yes, you're right that the argument about it being made before the switch is thin. Even if it was right, surely it wouldn't be that much work to change the cat to the turtle.

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hold on, just how long after the debut was the cat replaced?

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I just noticed that the first evil-neuro screen also has a cat. The one with the first next-time QR code.

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this may be coincidental crazytalk, but I think that the cat may be a signal to pay attention to the loading screen

lusty stag
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But then what does the Cat mean?

timid swift
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it could be as simple as just signifying that we need to pay attention.

lusty stag
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I supose that it could mean just that but in this type of stuff the creators usually put meanings like 3:33 from the Mandela catalogue

timid swift
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i mean fair, but i think the problem space is too wide for us to deduce anything from the presence of a cat on its own. We'd need a set of clues that tells a story together, or we'll just end up in spiraling speculation land

lusty stag
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That seems understandable so lets just put a pin in the Cat for the moment no?

timid swift
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Ye, I think we can

lusty stag
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Then how you Mark this kind of stuff? I know there is a website and all that

tulip minnow
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the cat was changed because vedal didn't like it

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but why is the cat there in the first place was a mysteryNeuroClueless

lusty stag
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But then why bring It back?

timid swift
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and yet evil had a cat, and we saw it again here for the halloween stream

tulip minnow
timid swift
tulip minnow
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it was probably made before the change

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to tutle

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it'll be too much work if the cat have to be changed in the glitched intro

lusty stag
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Yeah but the fact that It apeares in the intro when the clues are shown can not be dismised because It seems a bit careless

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Well anyway the only way to be sure if the intro stuff happends again but this time is with tutel

tulip minnow
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the qrcodes are before the change to tutel

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most of the clues are made before the change tbh

uncut cargo
tulip minnow
uncut cargo
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we don't know how much of it was pre-cooked

tulip minnow
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idk it could also be a cluenuero

tulip minnow
lusty stag
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Sorry if i sounded bad what i mean IS well that discarding clues requiere there to be oposite clues and for the moment doesn't seem to be like that,only the preposition that the arg was all planned out

tulip minnow
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by now

timid swift
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agreed, we'll get nowhere by saying that things aren't clues (as long as people don't start digging into people's lives again lel)

tulip minnow
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yeah i don't have an evidence saying that it's not a clueneuroDerp

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idk it's just that i've looked into that before

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didn't find things

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but i'm blind most of the time thoneuroTroll

lusty stag
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It would be okay to pin It as a thing that could be something from your part

uncut cargo
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well anyway next time we see a cat

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we'll know what is up

tulip minnow
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we'll just have to wait for two more months

lusty stag
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Ah by the way how Its going the video study

tulip minnow
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and the qrcode puzzle

lusty stag
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I would try to be at night but It Is scary with those incomprehansable walls of text

tulip minnow
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found out a way to restore the distorted qr code

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if we rotate certain areas of the pillow

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we can make it into multiple puzzles

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i'm working on it and it seems pretty promisingneuroNOWAYING

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they do connect

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just like the video

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we can restore the qrcode by rotating it

tulip minnow
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anyone wants to do the extreme qr code puzzle?neuroTroll

safe burrow
tulip minnow
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i give up neurOMEGALUL

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mine has more flaws than the original one and i don't have any more time to spend

hollow garnet
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i can't figure out how to put a grid on the star for the life of me

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god i hate the perspective tool

dapper wraith
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back to tetris

unique mason
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i will hope

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and cope

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that we get detoriation as the stream goes on

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like evil goes cyberpsycho or smth

hollow garnet
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NeuroClueless there's something that moves really fast across the screen and i can't tell what it is (might be the magnifying glass?)

timid swift
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tetris and turtle

timid swift
hollow garnet
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i don't watch much neuro ngl, i prefer the tutel

timid swift
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they're a good combo

vapid token
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Interesting thing I've noticed, I don't know if anyone else has noticed. But during the Halloween start screen, Neuro had no blink animation, her eyes were just "drooping" a bit. I suspect it might be related to the debut Strem, but I don't remember what eye animation was there.

timid swift
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it technically could just be an artifact of the glitch setup

vapid token
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No

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So I think maybe it was even done on purpose, just no one noticed
It should be like this:

timid swift
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could be on purpose for creepy factor

vapid token
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Yeah

unique mason
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guys

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nvm

vapid token
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Something like instead of tutel, it was a cat again

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I have a theory that the cat was brought back on purpose to keep Tutel out of it, but not sure

timid swift
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ye, i noticed that as well

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I was actually thinking of going back to check each of the streams with a new QR code. We had it on debut, evil-with-arg-and-broken-screen, and just now for halloween

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what about all the next next next times?

vapid token
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Was there Tutel when Evil start screen was styled as an ARG?

timid swift
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nope, that was evil cat

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there were 2 other next time screens I haven't checked

vapid token
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thonk so maybe this theory isn't so SCHIZO

timid swift
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if nothing else, watching out for the cat wouldn't hurt

vapid token
timid swift
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how do we find old streams? the dates are in the docs somewhere

timid swift
pulsar glen
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Wdym where to find old streams

timid swift
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i think the question is pretty clear

pulsar glen
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Neuro unofficial vods has all the vods uploaded

timid swift
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nice

uncut cargo
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I enjoy either, both together and separately

timid swift
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alright, the dates:
neuro debut, May 15th 27th: Cat
broken evil screen, June 25: Cat
second next time, July 9: unknown
third next time, July 15: unknown
and of course Halloween, October 31: Cat

timid swift
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yep, looks like it

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so maybe only for major events, but it definitely weakens the theory

vapid token
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I think there must be something more than QR, but it's also possible that it's coincidence or that they didn't want to change the design of the turtle for one reason or another. Either way I don't think we should focus on it, as long as it doesn't change anything for us.

hardy burrow
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Evil mentioned next time NOWAYING

timid swift
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i'm sure that was 100% unprompted NeuroClueless

timid swift
vapid token
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but I don't think we're gonna get anything on the stream anytime soon. I think the most we can expect is a video

timid swift
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back to unscrambling the halloween video i guess

vapid token
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Yep

hollow garnet
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(and trying to figure out the qr code in the intro)

timid swift
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yes that too.

vapid token
timid swift
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with the highest error correction, how much of the QR code data/error data do you need? 66%?

hollow garnet
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i really wish i had a better way to try and figure it out

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not sure tbh

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i believe the current issue is that we don't know where on the qr code it is

timid swift
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honestly it looks like way too little data

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well, unless we figure out how to manually read it and make some educated guesses for where it could be.

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I suppose if it's the data portion, you can just read it, even if you only recover some of it

hollow garnet
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i don't think its as simple just reading it beacuse of the patterns

timid swift
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ye, you need to know how to read it and as you said, figure out where it is

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or narrow it down and make a few educated guesses

hollow garnet
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also the masks might be an issue

timid swift
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oh right, that annoying thing

hollow garnet
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there's apparently only 8 of them

timid swift
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i suppose we could just try them all

hollow garnet
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my current issue is that i don't know if the star is flat

timid swift
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flat as opposed to pillowy and wrinkly, you mean?

vapid token
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How much I hate it every time her eyes look in different directions on the start screen catdespair

timid swift
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i donno, probably a lot

hollow garnet
timid swift
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ye, got it

hollow garnet
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catdespair these lines should all be parallel or perpendicular

vapid token
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thonk, this "QR code" is on all sides of the star, even behind her.

hollow garnet
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it also matches but with the pillow just by the skirt when inverted

raven ravine
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reading QR codes manually isnt actually too hard afaik... well... if you have enough of the QR code...

timid swift
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ye, you "just" need to know the pattern you're reading, but that depends on where in the QR code you're at

safe monolith
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if there is some way to recover the 2 rightmost columns, it'll help a lot

timid swift
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at least there are finite combinations even without. We can probably assume that it's not a huge giant QR code for instance

unique mason
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erm

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was that number a clue

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surely

timid swift
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wait, no, i had a brainfart. I thought it was part of the error screen. Still we should collect the parts

safe monolith
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I'll do it in a couple hours

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The long possibly infinite journey of the QR code despair

hollow garnet
timid swift
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do we even know which way it's rotated?

safe monolith
timid swift
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i meant the QR code, but then i presupposed that all the parts would be rotated the same

safe monolith
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From the top left side of the star, it looks like a locator

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The pillow has a small locator

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So you'd need to rotate the pillow s.t. the small locator is at the bottom right

hollow garnet
safe monolith
hollow garnet
timid swift
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you better not be losing the plot neurowheeze

hollow garnet
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when have i ever done that Erm

timid swift
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better question: when have we ever not done that!

hollow garnet
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i love being unable to distinguish neuro's feet from the qe code NeuroClueless

timid swift
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when i tabbed back here the first i saw was "neuro's feet" and for a moment I was very worried.

safe burrow
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In the meantime, I’ll quietly tell you good luck evilShrug neuroHeart

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Yea Hello BreadTh evilHappy

hollow garnet
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NeuroClueless a psd file doesn't embed history does it

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doesn't look like it

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here's a psd with a bunch of stars cropped out, at different rotations

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i need to go do hw but this might be useful for someone

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good fun

stray fractal
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anyone got the solution summary which doesnt require me to sign in using Google

digital radish
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even if you login you're still anonymous

hollow garnet
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NeuroClueless this is fine

safe burrow
timid swift
hollow garnet
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anyways im gonna actually do maths i swear

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also krita is so much nicer than photopea jesus christ

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NeuroClueless wait no i've already done my maths so i can keep doing this

timid swift
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oh.

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a likely story neurowheeze

hollow garnet
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madge

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im a fool why did i take these with the twitch ui visible

timid swift
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you knew that it'd be a while before we get more stuff, so you made sure you could do it all twice

safe monolith
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classic bred NeuroClueless

hollow garnet
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it appears i need to fix some alignment

timid swift
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wait, are you filling in the pieces of the qr code into the star?

hollow garnet
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im trying to make a "full" star

hollow garnet
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ok there's my best attempt at the star

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NeuroClueless hopefully this can decode the entire qr now

timid swift
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surely

safe monolith
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qr folks

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if we go by two assumptions: qr is 25x25, and decoded string is english

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We can brute force based on the bits we know for sure is in the qr code

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It'll complete within my lifetime I'm sure

vapid token
pulsar glen
safe monolith
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yup it shouldn't take very long (i.e. cracking encryption kinda long), but it'll still take time since we'll be checking if the qr code is a sentence

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well, if we're actually checking for english sentences that is. we could also just use letter frequencies

pulsar glen
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Does it not make sense to just check for valid ascii like always

safe monolith
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there will be too many valid combinations

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at least based on the few bits we have

calm parrot
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Oh goodness…

dapper wraith
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better check for valid utf just in case vedal throws in another ‘ NeuroClueless

safe monolith
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bruh NeuroClueless

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we may also have to check against all the qr codes we have on hand, just in case we've actually already seen it before NeuroClueless

hollow garnet
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wouldn't it be closer to 2⁶²⁵ iterations?

safe monolith
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wait my math not mathing, i think you're right

pulsar glen
#

It doesn't? Oh whoops I messed up the power and the exponent

safe monolith
#

2^265 unique combinations

dapper wraith
hollow garnet
#

NeuroClueless surely crackable

safe monolith
#

NeuroClueless i mean around 1/4 is metadata

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and half of it is error, we don't need to check that

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so realistically maybe possible?

hollow garnet
#

I'm not sure how it would combine with patterns

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also I have no clue what kinda throughput I would achieve, or how I'd avoid false positives

safe monolith
#

oh crap with patterns, it's at most 3^x where x is the minimum number of bits we need to manipulate

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not 3, 8 actually

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unless we also manipulate the masking bits

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wait math not mathing

hollow garnet
#

ok assuming peak bogosort speeds on an empty et of 625 pixels it would only take a little while NeuroClueless

hollow garnet
safe monolith
#

yes

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2^(x+3)

hollow garnet
#

smort

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I forgot that 8 is just 2³

safe monolith
#

also it's gonna be 2^(312 - big square - small square), so it won't be that much times the age of the universe NeuroClueless

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if we ignore the length and encoding metadata bits that's -12 bits

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wait i think that's misinsformation, but it's somewhere near that number

pulsar glen
#

Yeah that's a whole much larger number. I got 390 pixels of data NeuroClueless it may be wrong too though
Minus 12 metadata that would be 378(?)

safe monolith
#

i can pull up the actual numbers, but as a ballpark estimate aes-128 is easier to crack 😔

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imagine the qr code is just hello world!

pulsar glen
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It's possible to go from the other direction, take the known pixels and then generate all possible strings that result in valid utf-8 from after being decoded as qr code
But that seems complicated

safe monolith
#

i was thinking something like:

  • flatten the array of data bits to a list, marking unknown as ?. so you'll get [???????????0100??0010...]
  • for all combinations of unknowns, use the masks formula to unmask
  • check if result is english
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so we don't even need a qr encoder / decoder

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runtime dramatically decreases for every known pixel

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if we further assume ascii instead of utf8, then we can perform "smart guesses" on a nibble

hollow garnet
#

at this point we're almost guessing the text from nowhere

dapper wraith
#

have the qr codes so far been in byte or alphanumeric mode? for latter we would need to decode the 5 & 1/2 bit encoding as well as utf8/ascii

safe monolith
#

good point and i should check

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8 bit mode for dog and giraffe

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jebaited is also 8 bit mode

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i know we had more qr codes but from this i extrapolate it's all 8 bit mode NeuroClueless

dapper wraith
#

according to the evil qr codes document all of them were byte mode except for the step 1 "next next time" code

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that one used numeric mode

safe monolith
#

p a i n

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surely whoever put the qr code there is nice and decided to stick to the norm and do 8bit mode NeuroClueless

uneven moth
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surely the alphanumeric one was an accident and they are all supposed to be 8bit NeuroClueless

safe monolith
#

surely we are definitely meant to be having this conversation about qr code brute forcing for this arg NeuroClueless

dapper wraith
safe monolith
#

you're right, this reaaaaally makes me wish we had the rightmost 2 columns

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more or less qr code for this arg should always be either 8bit or alphanumeric

so we can also infer the masking used apart from figuring out the length and encoding method

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damn imagine the qr portion on the pillow is actually horizontally flipped, so we had those 2 columns all along (edit: my directions aren't working, i meant vertically flipped)

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wouldn't that be crazy

hollow garnet
#

though annoyingly this image makes it clear that the star isn't flat

safe monolith
# hollow garnet I assume this doesn't give you those

i am only half-certain the star is in the correct orientation, (i.e. the top pointy part of the star corresponds to the top of the qr code). if that is the case, then all i can see from the bottom right are just slivers of pixels, dunno what column they're in

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and now we also know that the star isn't flat catdespair

hollow garnet
#

(at least, I think it isn't)

safe monolith
vapid token
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poor guy at Halloween stream

#

Anyway, I'm wondering if Vedal will say anything about start of the Halloween stream

hardy burrow
#

doubt

vapid token
#

I want to note an interesting thing that screen is the first thing that got us to ARG because of the QR code appeared on it and it's something that worked normally and broke the very last during the starting screen of Halloween stream.
I also don't think it's anything useful to us, but I want to leave it as a fact

digital radish
tulip minnow
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Bro it’s a clue

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A clue must be solved

timid swift
#

or at least investigated until none of us know what else to do with it, then documented so we don't go in circles

safe burrow
#

I drink tea every day for your successes neuroHeart

timber whale
manic dagger
#

what now

#

you guys are analysing the halloween stream opening now?

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i could give you some information which may useful or not as i have watched every single frame of itneuroWaa

manic dagger
#

i dont think its valuable tho, might just to be creepy

tulip minnow
#

chinese confirmedneurOMEGALUL

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creepy neuro thosillycat

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i've got another one

manic dagger
#

MahiroChill my opinion is that there may be no other clues we could find in that opening video. that qr code is clearly unreadable, all the spooky effects dont have pattern or any information that we can use

manic dagger
lament rover
manic dagger
#

wait let me clip this

tulip minnow
manic dagger
#

you can clearly see her blinking in this one

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but with no eyes and turned grey

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it may not have any meaning tho

tulip minnow
#

wrong file or i'm just blindErm

manic dagger
#

not wrong file, maybe its just too fast?

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i could post this frame by frame

tulip minnow
tulip minnow
#

discord can't handle the filesillycat

manic dagger
#

small indie company be like

safe burrow
manic dagger
#

this is like the only time she blinks

tulip minnow
#

haven't thought what it means thoneurOMEGALUL

#

most of the things have a meaning

#

what chould this beNeuroClueless

manic dagger
#

neuroUhm thats the problem, this whole opening video has a lot of these effects that dont have any meaning at all

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thats why i said "my opinion is that there may be no other clues we could find in that opening video"

tulip minnow
#

just with enough patientNeuroClueless

manic dagger
#

all i could do is wish you good luck by that

tulip minnow
#

no one have ever tried thatneurOMEGALUL

distant girder
#

watch the qr code get restored into any readavle state and it just says "wow you really did this?" or soemthing like that

tulip minnow
#

i tried to rotate the qr code line by line

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took me a few hours

#

failedevilWheeze

steep arrow
#

Going a little schizo, but it happens during the lyrics about "Caroline"; a different consciousness inside GLaDOS (her "human" side). Given the previous ARG description talking about merging two consciousnesses, it could be a little nod?

manic dagger
#

neuroUhm i literally looked every frame of this video in the past few days

#

only for subtitleing

tulip minnow
manic dagger
#

i may become a little schizo about it

tulip minnow
#

i recommend looking mineneuroTroll

manic dagger
tulip minnow
#

they're all hints

manic dagger
#

their lyrics all have something that nod to arg

#

ye

steep arrow
#

And, the first eye cover part of the opening screen happened during "she was a lot like you", GLaDOS again talking about Caroline. SCHIZO

tulip minnow
#

hints all over the placesillycat

steep arrow
#

No way are these both coincidental. He cooking

tulip minnow
#

i still don't think vedal is the puppet master thoNeuroClueless

#

i stand by my wordsneuroTroll

manic dagger
#

same

#

i dont think vedal is pm

tulip minnow
#

he's too lazy to do all that stuffsillycat

manic dagger
#

he definitely knows something tho

tulip minnow
#

he's for sure a helperneurOMEGALUL

steep arrow
#

Vedal can't handle answering DMs, how's he meant to handle writing and running a wholeass ARG neurOMEGALUL

digital radish
manic dagger
#

my fault

digital radish
#

you were here when i posted it

manic dagger
#

really?

#

buh i dont remember

manic dagger
digital radish
#

oh im probably schizo

manic dagger
#

SConfire ok

vapid token
#

I'd like to really help, but I haven't found anything I can apply my knowledge to. So I'm just looking for something interesting that might have been missed and making theories in my head

vapid token
vapid token
safe burrow
uncut cargo
#

Damn static, new pfp? Nice drip

safe burrow
timid swift
# manic dagger

did i somehow miss that the opening screen has subtitles? i dont recall that being the case

manic dagger
#

The opening didn't has subs

tulip minnow
#

that's like the second biggest clipping team in chinaNeuroPoggers

manic dagger
#

we dont talk about it here

#

but yes

tulip minnow
#

it's like the icon of neuro clipping in chinaneuroWicked

manic dagger
#

That's very nice of you
thanksayayalaugh

tulip minnow
#

bruh that's factssillycat

timid swift
uncut cargo
#

those subs made me think

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and the glitch on the delete

#

Could it be that hiyori just wants to be deleted despair

distant rune
#

Deleted? Like, delete Neuro and Evil?

uncut cargo
#

no as if "please end my suffering"

#

it is a way of saving despair

manic dagger
#

Delete hiyori end her suffering

uncut cargo
#

if this is indeed the direction we're going in

#

its...perfect bittersweet ending when you think about it

#

on that note I wonder how much of the ARG is pre-written and if vedal might actually using some of our schizo as inspiration

timid swift
#

The common advice I've read is not to write too much ahead

safe burrow
#

Reminds me of what I wrote back then. evilShrug

timid swift
#

obviously have a plan, but try not to constrain yourself

safe monolith
#

imagine he takes the timeline schizo theory NeuroClueless

timid swift
#

a time travel arg could be fun

#

||inb4 john titor||

uncut cargo
safe monolith
#

the theory is already there, just copy paste

steins gate arg

timid swift
#

called it

trail holly
# manic dagger this is like the only time she blinks

shouldn't be a blink, just part of the animation for the gray face. eyelashes move in the blink animation. I uploaded a txt file here the other day with the time of every pulse including what I could see during the censored half of the intro, explaining what the eye animations should be, but of course I could be wrong

vapid token
#

Wait, can we count on something for the 1 year anniversary? thonk

safe monolith
#

definitely or i will be heartbroken

#

imagine one of the goals is an arg clue neurOMEGALUL

uncut cargo
#

its a possiblity

trail holly
#

vedal has mentioned an original song for neuro a few times now, I don't remember when that started but I could see the song being released on anni, debut stream anni, whenever randomly, at the end of the arg, or as part of the arg. we already have a couple original songs from the arg after all. only reasons I could see neuro's taking so long is the reasons above or licensing stuff

uncut cargo
#

Let's stay patient, let tutel cook in peace. Judging from today's stream he has enough work as it is

trail holly
#

ye

#

just presenting the song as a possibility for anniversary, arg, or neither

cosmic grail
#

Imagine if the final clue is "good luck lol :)"

turbid ingot
tulip minnow
#

Also I saw that in the normal intro

#

The blinking also includes pupils shrinking

safe burrow
tulip minnow
#

It’s just not that obvious

trail holly
tulip minnow
#

cause the triangle reflection moved when the eye is open again

#

it's just my guess

trail holly
# trail holly

should I add this to the doc? if so, as better formatted text or as a link to a google drive?

#

I believe you

#

the reflection cued me into it too

harsh totem
#

For the qr thing. Has someone tried to extract the qr frames and line them up on the intro itself? Like just get the frames where they are and make the whole image a where all viable qr bits are overlayed? Seemed to me that they were all spread over neuro. So having a whole frame where neuro is the qr. Or is it already solved and i was NeuroClueless

#

I would do it myself..... but i am at work evilGutter

tulip minnow
#

multiple tries with multiple peoplesillycat

#

failed

#

you can try tho

harsh totem
#

Will try when i get home. Is there a list of qr frames? Or do i need to skim the intro 😛

tulip minnow
#

or we can just use 4.4178*10^178 years to brute force itneurOMEGALUL

#

there's only the pillow and the star that have qr code on it

harsh totem
#

Il just skim the intro and check the idle animation starts and line up the qrs on a single frame

#

Overlay the normal intro as well neuroShrug

#

As it is inverted aswell would alligning the inverse do anything?

#

Just spitballing

timid swift
hollow garnet
timid swift
#

There's also some more QR stuff in the docs

tulip minnow
#

oh yeah i've heard that there's also an arg thread going in china

tawny pasture
#

wait, really?

tulip minnow
#

is there anything worth looking?

#

in QQ

tawny pasture
#

No idea

tulip minnow
#

414876108

#

waya can check it outneurOMEGALUL

tawny pasture
#

I will say though, I just remembered that there was apparently also a part of a QR code in the "hello world" video

#

Though that could still be artefacting

tulip minnow
#

where

#

i must have missed it somehow

tawny pasture
#

Perhaps not

#

Too much schizo

tulip minnow
#

i want itneurOMEGALUL

#

can't let go any clue

safe burrow
tawny pasture
#

As I said, too much schizo

tulip minnow
#

i'll just have to find the same part on the pillow and starsillycat

#

the possibility is not zeroneuroTroll

manic dagger
tulip minnow
#

is there anythingErm

manic dagger
#

no progress tho, most of the group members take imformation from here anyway

#

like me

safe burrow
#

I love reading everything that happens here neuroHeart

tulip minnow
#

we're the main groupneuroTroll

manic dagger
#

fr

tulip minnow
#

really want to see what it looks like there

#

but china just don't like my areaneuroTroll

manic dagger
#

that group used to be made by a bilibili content creator who wants to get help from Chinese swarm to make an ARG related video, now that video has already been published that group becomes a thread to discuss about ARG

#

MahiroChill i helped to make that video

tulip minnow
#

yeah i saw you in the introsillycat

manic dagger
timid swift
manic dagger
#

wdym

timid swift
#

I mean like if there are questions or similar, don't hesitate to bring them here

manic dagger
#

okok YES

uncut cargo
safe burrow
azure oyster
#

I am The Clown.

ocean orchid
#

I don’t care about the ARG, the music is just fire (slash j but still THE MUSIC>>)

tulip minnow
safe burrow
distant girder
#

but the implications of the lore despair

harsh totem
#

Been trying to puzzle a bit with the qr stuff. As far as i know it seems incomplete. neuroShrug

#

(Referring to the halloween intro)

#

Unless you can overlay an existing one and subtract the negative from what is being displayed.

uncut cargo
#

Imagine its the "next time" qr code

safe burrow
hollow garnet
#

NeuroClueless guys is this a hint

unique mason
safe monolith
harsh totem
#

It's the makeship ad department NeuroClueless

timid swift
timid swift
tulip minnow
#

or just bulldoze it

#

try every possible outcomeNeuroClueless

#

manually

hollow garnet
#

I really don't want to study qr codes catdespair

timid swift
#

the point of the arg: You don't want to be an engineer

hollow garnet
timid swift
#

i got tired before i even made it past the table of content

harsh totem
#

neuroTehe we shall see

timid swift
#

I think we'd still have to figure out how things are oriented

safe monolith
#

But if we're doing manual recovery anyway, and if ascii, it's just easier to do guesswork provided enough bits

#

If anything the parts of the qr we have thus far are all data bits

timid swift
#

Unfortunately, we'll have to try any possibility if we don't have a clue for which is the correct approach. But maybe start with the easiest?

safe monolith
#

easiest is still to semi-correctly piece together what we have catdespair

#

the problem is we don't have 8 contiguous bits (assuming byte encoding)

timid swift
#

is there any possibility that any of the parts could be read on their own?

safe monolith
#

yeah, if we have a full block of 8 bits

timid swift
#

do we? NeuroClueless

#

oh wait, you just said we don't

safe monolith
#

We need at least one of these segments

#

Then we can try every possible mask and see if something gives us ascii

#

(Assuming 8 bit encoding)

#

It is super likely we have the bottom right parts, just not enough / clear enough to meaningfully decipher

timid swift
#

do we happen to know what the orientation of those byte-blocks is next to the smaller alignment eyes?

harsh totem
#

it's wrapped around the pillow? does the star part allign to it?

safe monolith
#

Yeah good shout. I'll draw a diagram when I get back to a laptop, but basically just zigzag the pixels

#

When encountering the eye, skip it

timid swift
#

always one direction then? Vertically in the above, but we don't know which way ours is turning NeuroClueless

#

oh, right, it's like a track. So it's only the other direction at the edges

#

but you're saying it jumps right over the little eyes?

#

except.. that doesn't compute in my head. The eye is 5 pixels wide

safe monolith
#

Yeah it jumps over

timid swift
safe monolith
#

Nice nice, that's exactly it

timid swift
#

also, the fact that the data section is near the eye is great news, now that I think about it. We may not after all have to do the error correction thing

safe monolith
#

Yep exactly

harsh totem
#

so it's just part of a string of data?

safe monolith
#

yes more or less

#

The reason why I wanted the metadata is for the encoding method, and the length

timid swift
#

and the mask

safe monolith
#

Yeah by inference. Masks exists near the big squares

#

But length and encoding can exist in the first 12 bits (or 14 or something i can't remember)

#

12

#

basically: it is fairly unlikely we need to do error correction, because we literally don't have the bits to do so

If we want a chance at the qr code, we need to correctly interpret the bits near the eye (somehow)

Ideally, in contiguous blocks of 8, as shown in BreadTh's image

#

if it's another encoding method then I'll be sadge, but it should only either be 8bit or alphanumeric as what skul pointed out

timid swift
#

Other than text what could we be looking for in a short bit of data?

hollow garnet
#

NeuroClueless another qr code

timid swift
#

imagine if that'd happened. Literally crazy

safe monolith
#

I reckon, given how little info can possibly be in it, we'll get a nod to some existing clue. Unlikely to be a new clue?

harsh totem
#

is the one on the pillow unwrapped yet?

timid swift
#

yea, even if we took all the bits as a sequence, we'd hardly have more than 10 bytes

safe monolith
steel bronze
safe monolith
#

Entirely possible yes

timid swift
#

anything's possible until proven otherwise

steel bronze
#

we could also have a incomplete qr

#

but i feel like its highly possible that this is

#

not a qr code

#

instead its a bit sequence perhaps?

timid swift
#

sure, but how do you want to interpret the sequence? QR is just one of many ways to do so

steel bronze
#

it is, true

#

what im getting at here is

#

what if its like numbers 2

#

where we count the 1s (blacks) and 0s (whites), lay them out and get a code

timid swift
#

Entirely possible. How do we read the sequence? we don't have the temporal dimension this time around. Unless they appear one at a time before the full ARG-screen opens?

safe burrow
tulip minnow
#

Have anyone tried to change the brightness?neurOMEGALUL

#

I couldn’t do it now

harsh totem
#

doesn't seem to to much, even extracting the darker and lighter lines seem to yield nothing much

#

too much of a dark area to yield meaningful brightness difference

#

chromatic aberration doesn't do much either, so disregard this as usefull lol

#

(looks pretty though)

#

guess it'll have to wait neuroDerp too peabrain for this anyways

uncut cargo
unique mason
#

she ate the green mushrooms

candid obsidian
#

Good wallpaper

safe burrow
safe monolith
#

Hey, can't remember who did the 'Study “A side” / “B side” divergence and the characters' theory, but I wanna discuss it

For the study video, what if "A side" was the true, human memory used to train the AI, while "B side" is the replayed memory by the AI used to validate the training? At "B side", we don't get the full thing because of training loss, and this is also where we start getting weird codes & have weird audio

#

Like JS in A side is at least readable, but Malbolge in B side seems less human ykwim

safe burrow
#

Continue NeuroSip

uncut cargo
#

this also reminded me of a observation I forgot to mention

#

We needed a "Hello world" program in malbolge to decrypt the description right?

#

Hello world, written in language of hell

safe monolith
#

yes, good good, we're syncing

#

there was one more malbolge somewhere i think. was it numbers 2?

uncut cargo
#

study

safe monolith
#

not that one

#

Ah yes it was numbers 2

#

is that someone knocking on the door?? <-- this string

uncut cargo
#

NUH UH

safe monolith
uncut cargo
#

oh

#

you're right

#

well so we have 3 codes

safe monolith
#

i think, malbolge is someone, and plaintext is someone else

both of them can do aes

#

or, with additional schizo, malbolge is machine and plaintext is human

uncut cargo
#

what I wanted to point out is

#

we have "hello world" video right?

#

seemingly nothing

#

and then we have halloween video

#

which title also seemingly reads "hello world"

#

except in malbolge

safe monolith
#

yeah, i think they're the """same""" video

uncut cargo
#

two sides of a coin (cookie)

safe monolith
#

nodders

uncut cargo
#

what could mean that, the video had a layer. Layer of censor if you could say

#

so while original seems innocent and whatnot
maybe it never was supposed to

#

this may be a stretch but I have a feeling the phrase "Hello world" written in malbolge might mean something alike "Hi from hell"

#

what is also interesting is that malbolge refers to 8th circle of hell

#

that being "fraud" but lets ignore that part since nothing in ARG points toward anything or anyone being a fraud...or does it?

safe burrow
tulip minnow
#

well the little sister is dead so i guess it's pretty normal for her to talk in the language of hellsillycat

atomic lark
#

im curious about a barcode i think i just found in the "【 MONSTER 】( by KIRA ) Cover by Camila ft. Neurosama" music video

#

is that something you guys have experience in?

safe monolith
uncut cargo
#

would be suprising if we hadn't

atomic lark
#

awesome thank i just noticed it and wondered what it was but apparently it just says "monster" xD

tulip minnow
#

both prophecies have been fulfilled

#

they've already spoiled the lore back in SeptemberevilWheeze

timid swift
#

August 11 already feels like it was years ago

safe monolith
#

am i crazy or was august 11 2023 like 9 years ago NeuroClueless

tulip minnow
#

so i just went back in timeneurOMEGALUL

#

i believe this is where the arg came from

#

and i also discovered SADecsSs actually has a youtube channel where they used to put the works they did (jebaited qr code included)

#

which are now all private

#

with a weird looking profile which i can't find where it came from or what it means

#

anyone know japanese?evilWheeze

#

i've also find some other things but i realized i might be walking on the same path i've walked beforesillycat

timid swift
#

stalking people again, are we?

safe monolith
#

That has never been done in the history of this arg

timid swift
tulip minnow
safe burrow
tulip minnow
pulsar glen
#

surely i am not crazy and this isn't actually some kanji that's not in any dictionary

daring acorn
#

a ra and wa combo

safe burrow
hardy burrow
uncut cargo
distant rune
crystal urchin
vapid token
potent cobalt
coral hazel
drowsy quarry
cobalt axle
timber whale
safe burrow
timber whale
cunning osprey
drowsy quarry
torn orbit
unique mason
distant rune
#

^someone change this so she wakes up crying instead.

pulsar glen
distant rune
#

So..

gentle locust
#

Soso~

safe monolith
distant rune
#

||I swear I'm not a Sadist.||

timid swift
#

normal QR code, crazy

safe burrow
timber whale
turbid ingot
#

Since when was the "about me" on _neurosama 's youtube "ALT ACCOUNT" ?

#

has it always been?

digital radish
#

since the beginning

timid swift
#

can confirm

safe burrow
turbid ingot
#

cough Dead chat?

safe burrow
distant rune
drowsy quarry
timber whale
daring acorn
cobalt axle
runic sphinx
unique mason
vapid token
#

THIS GUY ReallyGun Tutel

#

While I was reading discord this played next SCHIZO

torn orbit
safe burrow
timber whale
topaz cove
drowsy quarry
zinc hinge
umbral tulip
torpid falcon
azure oyster
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neurojuice or NeuroSip

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timid swift
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no

azure oyster
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good ending

vapid token
azure oyster
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oi what's this supposed to mean AmeliaWhat

hardy burrow
timid swift
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It's the good ending of course

safe burrow
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neurojuice 🤝NeuroSip

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Friendship

safe monolith
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looks like dog and giraffe

steel bronze
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the intrusive thoughts are winning

uncut cargo
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the union of ARG

timber whale
granite carbon
uncut cargo
coral hazel
drowsy quarry
turbid ingot
cobalt axle
torn orbit
distant rune
inner dawn
safe burrow
drowsy quarry
cobalt axle
umbral tulip
wind crypt
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guys I hate to be the one to tell you this

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but there is no clue at 1000 sips

umbral tulip
distant girder
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thats oddly specific so there must be a clue annyHmm

umbral tulip
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so shiro knows the clue? 572943

uncut cargo
timber whale
daring acorn
safe burrow
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neurojuice 🤝tutelRum 🤝NeuroSip

safe burrow
daring acorn
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neurojuice 🤝 tutelRum 🤝 NeuroSip 🖕 sip

safe burrow
umbral tulip
safe monolith
crystal urchin
timber whale
scarlet flume
stable lake
steel bronze
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the balance has been disrupted

pastel turtle
fathom ginkgo
drowsy quarry
unique mason
inner dawn
distant rune
sick wraith
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Anything ne- WHAT THE F-

inner dawn
daring acorn
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NeuroSip 🔫 neurojuice

unique mason
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we're too far gone now

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there is no coming back

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it is now all

narrow turtle
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Perfectly balanced

azure oyster
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i guess we'll just be doing this until we have more arg content

drowsy quarry
timber whale
safe burrow
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Essentially we are having tea and waiting. NeuroSip

zinc hinge
safe burrow
timid swift
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must be your favorite starting screen today then

sterile steeple
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One day Vedal is going to update the pieces and we're totally gonna miss it

timid swift
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technically it could've already have happened

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i haven't checked them for a while

sterile steeple
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I missed out on like 2-3 Tetris starting screens so far

timid swift
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surely it wouldn't be only a screen in the past

safe monolith
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nah vedal is not that cruel surely NeuroClueless

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(vedal: this is not a challenge please don't do this)

zenith pike
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is this a clue?

safe burrow
uncut cargo
daring acorn
turbid ingot
finite knot
azure oyster