#Neuro ARG
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Arg wiki does sound rad, but for that we would need mostly set in stone facts and only facts we have are the puzzles themselves
we can still add theories to it, can we not
though we could add them on separate pages from factual things
that way, it's easier to differentiate and organize
I guess but with character pages for example, we have no clear identity of them nor role in everything. There would either be dozens of possible explanations of a character or one that is believed by majority to be closest to the truth
that's why i mentioned this
i agree with that point
character pages would be helpful, but the issue is that either we suck at determining which characters are the same/different, or that vedal is not a good arg maker 
we have not even gotten the name of anyone yet
the only name we can use is neuro tbh
this is honestly pretty ok code ngl
prob'ly
since evil did not become popular until after the arg started
Yeah and we have a lot more of unknowns.
So making a whole wiki rn is kind of pointless and due to this I have to agree with bread
though, then vedal added that one evil quote to the arg
has anyone seen the intro frame by frame?
i mean there's a lot of weird stuff but I can't aspeak as i have never gotten round to using impl Iterator when i should
again, we can put theories on there
it's just that dedicated character pages would be a bad idea, at least at this point in time
I have no idea how you would manage and implement that to a usable degree
I'm sure there's some rust abuse somewhere in there, cause I have little idea how the borrow system works :p
also
first glitched frame, one of her ribbons moved
we already do it on the docs; why would we be unable to do it on mediawiki
that isn't concerning at all
for pages about videos, in order to prevent mixing factual and theoretical content, we could have theories on subpages
and then the arg-wide theory page is just entirely theories already, minus a bit at the top
For videos that would indeed work
I am against a wiki/website for documentation because I would like to stay anonymous doing changes
i originally split documents a lot more, which is why the study video documents are so split up, but people really didn't like that. I can only assume it'll be the same for sub pages
isn't it possible to change whilst not logged in
or is that a fandom-exclusive toggle
Then it logs your IP instead 
that's more friction as well. We want people to contribute, not go through a bunch of loops and fall off
unless you mean anonymous in another sense
stop providing valid points and crushing my dreams 
I may be
but I don't see an issue here
I mean anonymous anonymous. I just don't want to link what I am doing to a single username, that's like weird and stuff
i don't get your logic but i guess i'll respect it
So you're saying that you want to do things while no one knows what you did and who you are, even owners, is that right?
if i know anything about rust, if it compiles and you didn't do an unsafe block you'll be fine 
point taken, unsafe blocks coming up
peepopanic
creepy
biblically accurate neuro
Lots of emphasis about eyes in that stream too
connection to angel numbers confirmed 
first hiyori appearence
First public appearance
btw the part where the iris shrinks and grows, that's not a normal opening thing right
HEROBRINE
well, actually, those were neuros with "blindfolds", not hiyoris
I hate it
no way that'd be way too creepy
It's staring into my soul
Imagine turning around and see that behind you
turning around and seeing anything unexpected behind you is scary enough already. Just ask cats scared of cucumbers

nope, its probably glitching the layer that shrinks and grows during blinking
what do you mean, darkeew
you heard me
yes i did
those are the eyes behind the bar in the arg videos
but i did not understand you 
how do you know
oh what when
i cant remember
i was searching frame by frame
giving an accurate time is impossible
but it was between 5:10
oh you mean on the stream
I love reading this chat sometimes, espiecally when it's dark and I'm home alone 
you can't prove that hiyori's eyes in the ARG videos look like neuro's eyes in that one frame
In this case he points at the monitor flashing black and white I think
bro im not screenshotting the eyes
oh okay
Qr code
neuro jumpscare tho

It's such a mystery why all arg related characters share the blindfold
it isnt a qr code
study-sama has it off at times
alright
Yes but why
as well as her color-inverted variant who may or may not be a separate character
vangor had a shot at trying to decode this and match it up with the cushion thing
Yes but the blanked out eyes almost feel iconic at this point
where?
trying to get them
i think one is on her jacket
mostly to hiyori
Now not only
study-sama has had it on a couple of times, but not most of the time
hiyori's only time without the blindfold has been in the gibberish-titled video
nvm
and that video is technically a single image throughout the whole video when decoded
or, it will be, at least
Yeah hopefully one day we get an answer why is it such, or context
also i've discovered i prefer the arg version of neuro singing miku 
It's a banger
if it has just slightly less harsh noise it'd be perfect ngl
I like how it scratches my eardrums
i wish the arg songs rhymed 
some do
PSV does
though none of the former ones do
i also wish they all had closed captions
again, PSV does, but none of the former ones do (... and none of the ones after it do, either)
study does too
so they can't rhyme?
oh i thought you meant the closed captions
though i don't think i remember study rhyming
I like reheating arguments like infamous old bars do dinners on friday nights but..
New video makes me even more desperate to know who is the one that knocks 
okay study rhymes some but it's mostly the same few lines what rhyme
like "tried so hard and got so far", and "engineer"/"career"
i sometimes wonder whether vedal had the description of numbers 2 written out before he made study, and then plugged that description into Chat GPT and told it to make lyrics out of them
i have never seen chat gpt make lyrics though so i don't know whether it would be able to make something like study
not that it might not be able to make lyrics; i just don't know what kind of lyrics would be produced
okay actually there are a few more rhymes than this
god the folds in the qr scarf piss me off so much
same, even though i'm not working on the QR codes
folds 
i can't tell if they're part of the same code or not
honestly i might overlay an empty grid onto the star and work from there
tbh me neither, but i don't have enough data anyway
So i noticed for the easier-visible parts that there's like a scan line, meaning every other line is junk. So i tried the rotation thing but trying to find the least difference with the line two above. This (frame 1590) is the best I've gotten so far. Original left, rotated to align with line two above right
but more than that, on frame 453, i noticed that there's a similar thing, kinda. It's almost as if it's offset by a whole 10 lines.. a repeating pattern, as if it's 10 images mixed together. Or maybe i'm just loosing it. (colors added by me for counting and shet)
maybe rotating with the line 10 above will yield something? Or alternative, maybe those lines are already in the correct rotation/configuration relative to each other. But I gotta do the old fart thing and go to bed now
did we ever try a scale factor of 10 for that?
I don't know what that means, but I don't believe i did
(idk what the term is, but we were using it originally)
ok lemme try and explain
think of the image as a 1d array of brightnesses, starting from the top left and moving right
the "scale" is how many times wider the image produced is compared to the orginal
thats a bad explanation hm
heres a video of the attempt at a 4x scale
oh you mean like change the wideness of the image. When the line of pixels is chunked, or carriage return
right?
no, i haven't messed with any of that
i posted rust code for that i think
i spent a lot of time getting familiar with ffmpeg and rust itself
maybe i'll figure it out. looked simple enough in the snippet i already stole from you
there might even be an unused function that does it lol
imagine if it was named something like chunking, that'd be crazy
i think it was do_section
fn do_section(lines: &Vec<u8>, scale: f32, index: usize) {
let new_image = image::DynamicImage::new_luma8((INNER_WIDTH as f32 * scale) as u32, (INNER_HEIGHT as f32 / scale) as u32);
let mut new = new_image.to_luma8();
new.iter_mut().zip(lines.iter()).map(|(pixel, line_pixel)| *pixel = *line_pixel).for_each(drop);
new.save(format!("output/frames/frame_{index:08}.png")).expect("failed to save");
}```
that seems to do what i was expecting
idk why i called the first arg lines but its just all the pixels in a flattened vec (ig it is all the lines)
i mean, i think i spotted a fun_name() in there, so i'm not gonna question it
whoops

that's from rust-analyzer when you select a section and convert to function
amazing
for some reason it doesn't automatically put you in a mode where you change the function name
i also have a python script that does the same if you want to use less brain power 
requires a cropped image though
I'm pretty sure it is normal, though maybe not to the extent used in the intro
I think its the blink animation
without the blinking part

Guess how I got the creepy neuros
Creepy neuros 
Nothing else was found by me tho 
I was wondering if anyone here knew about the cat creature who replaced vedal on haloween for the spooky intro-
As far as I know, the cat was actually there when the new starting soon screen was debuted on the debut stream, but was replaced with Vedal at a later date. The cat being there instead of Vedal it's likely an artifact of when the glitched intro was made, likely before the cat was replaced with Vedal. Or maybe it does actually mean something symbolic, I don't know.
maybe the cat being back for that was meant to sorta invoke the thought of older neuro times 
Fact that cat has no face is weird too
Of course that might've been just for the creepy factor

I mean if the Cat apeared it could be three things, the screen was being work on before the change, what you say about It being a representation of older times or the Cat IS a clue on some way maybe search when the screen changed to vedal? The first one and second one seem the most likely anyway and i not want anyone to waste their time on a wild goosechase.
Or maybe being a Cat instead of vedal could mean that hiyori or study girl or whoever It Is that she doesn't like vedal or that she doesn't know him
or that vedal as a character isnt connected to the arg at all
That also sorry for grabbing at straws
tho her not liking vedal does kind of touch to glitches emphasizing parts of the songs
I mean It would make thematic sense i think, with the story that we have been pressented being you know turn into an ai and all that to be only treated as entertainment normaly you would dislike the ringmaster in this case vedal
Well there was also the message about her being with a family or being adopted by one
And iirc the charecter IS kind of divided into two so maybe the litle sister part likes the family while the other part does not as much (this i could be wrong)
oh that's a good point. It could be out-of-ARG reasoning, but not just "we already started work on the glitch screen with the cat"
wouldn't make sense either for them to be working with cat anyway
unless ARG was planned that far in advance
planning ahead? What is that
but yes, you're right that the argument about it being made before the switch is thin. Even if it was right, surely it wouldn't be that much work to change the cat to the turtle.
hold on, just how long after the debut was the cat replaced?
I just noticed that the first evil-neuro screen also has a cat. The one with the first next-time QR code.
this may be coincidental crazytalk, but I think that the cat may be a signal to pay attention to the loading screen
But then what does the Cat mean?
it could be as simple as just signifying that we need to pay attention.
I supose that it could mean just that but in this type of stuff the creators usually put meanings like 3:33 from the Mandela catalogue
i mean fair, but i think the problem space is too wide for us to deduce anything from the presence of a cat on its own. We'd need a set of clues that tells a story together, or we'll just end up in spiraling speculation land
That seems understandable so lets just put a pin in the Cat for the moment no?
Ye, I think we can
Then how you Mark this kind of stuff? I know there is a website and all that
the cat was changed because vedal didn't like it
but why is the cat there in the first place was a mystery
But then why bring It back?
and yet evil had a cat, and we saw it again here for the halloween stream
the arg was planned before the making of the intro
i mean, we could write a few words about it in the docs. Maybe the stubs page, since I'm not sure how much can be said
it was probably made before the change
to tutle
it'll be too much work if the cat have to be changed in the glitched intro
Yeah but the fact that It apeares in the intro when the clues are shown can not be dismised because It seems a bit careless
Well anyway the only way to be sure if the intro stuff happends again but this time is with tutel
the qrcodes are before the change to tutel
most of the clues are made before the change tbh
and wdym careless
we can't be sure of that
the cat being in the intro kinda gives the feeling
we don't know how much of it was pre-cooked
idk it could also be a clue
i'm guessing all
Sorry if i sounded bad what i mean IS well that discarding clues requiere there to be oposite clues and for the moment doesn't seem to be like that,only the preposition that the arg was all planned out
by now
agreed, we'll get nowhere by saying that things aren't clues (as long as people don't start digging into people's lives again lel)
yeah i don't have an evidence saying that it's not a clue
idk it's just that i've looked into that before
didn't find things
but i'm blind most of the time tho
It would be okay to pin It as a thing that could be something from your part
Ah by the way how Its going the video study
and the qrcode puzzle
I would try to be at night but It Is scary with those incomprehansable walls of text
found out a way to restore the distorted qr code
if we rotate certain areas of the pillow
we can make it into multiple puzzles
i'm working on it and it seems pretty promising
they do connect
just like the video
we can restore the qrcode by rotating it

i give up 
mine has more flaws than the original one and i don't have any more time to spend
i can't figure out how to put a grid on the star for the life of me
god i hate the perspective tool
back to tetris

i will hope
and cope
that we get detoriation as the stream goes on
like evil goes cyberpsycho or smth
there's something that moves really fast across the screen and i can't tell what it is (might be the magnifying glass?)
tetris and turtle
i've seen that before, and also a mini neuro being dragged around by a mouse pointer
i don't watch much neuro ngl, i prefer the tutel
they're a good combo
Interesting thing I've noticed, I don't know if anyone else has noticed. But during the Halloween start screen, Neuro had no blink animation, her eyes were just "drooping" a bit. I suspect it might be related to the debut Strem, but I don't remember what eye animation was there.
it technically could just be an artifact of the glitch setup
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbnX4tjDtZI does what you're seeing match this?
No
So I think maybe it was even done on purpose, just no one noticed
It should be like this:
could be on purpose for creepy factor
Yeah
Something like instead of tutel, it was a cat again
I have a theory that the cat was brought back on purpose to keep
out of it, but not sure
ye, i noticed that as well
I was actually thinking of going back to check each of the streams with a new QR code. We had it on debut, evil-with-arg-and-broken-screen, and just now for halloween
what about all the next next next times?
Was there
when Evil start screen was styled as an ARG?
so maybe this theory isn't so SCHIZO
if nothing else, watching out for the cat wouldn't hurt
I originally thought it would tell us when the next clue would be, but now I think it's just a dead end for us for now
how do we find old streams? the dates are in the docs somewhere
right, but i mean was there a cat on those the first time a new QR appeared?
Wdym where to find old streams
i think the question is pretty clear
Neuro unofficial vods has all the vods uploaded
nice
Doc with the dates is here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BCpJA-2GlmjzrxFIEA2pq5Xt6QuAaUI-2L_iAcAnl6Y/edit#gid=521227060,
and I think the vods are only left on YouTube.
I enjoy either, both together and separately
alright, the dates:
neuro debut, May 15th 27th: Cat
broken evil screen, June 25: Cat
second next time, July 9: unknown
third next time, July 15: unknown
and of course Halloween, October 31: Cat
9 and 15 had a 
yep, looks like it
so maybe only for major events, but it definitely weakens the theory
I think there must be something more than QR, but it's also possible that it's coincidence or that they didn't want to change the design of the turtle for one reason or another. Either way I don't think we should focus on it, as long as it doesn't change anything for us.
Evil mentioned next time NOWAYING
i'm sure that was 100% unprompted 
if nothing else, we should pay extra attention if we see the cat again, but not dismiss other possibilities if we don't
The first thing I'm going to look at is the eyes and if there's a 
but I don't think we're gonna get anything on the stream anytime soon. I think the most we can expect is a video
back to unscrambling the halloween video i guess
Yep
(and trying to figure out the qr code in the intro)
yes that too.
Isn't there too little information to make a whole QR code out of it?
with the highest error correction, how much of the QR code data/error data do you need? 66%?
i really wish i had a better way to try and figure it out
not sure tbh
i believe the current issue is that we don't know where on the qr code it is
honestly it looks like way too little data
well, unless we figure out how to manually read it and make some educated guesses for where it could be.
I suppose if it's the data portion, you can just read it, even if you only recover some of it
i don't think its as simple just reading it beacuse of the patterns
ye, you need to know how to read it and as you said, figure out where it is
or narrow it down and make a few educated guesses
also the masks might be an issue
oh right, that annoying thing
there's apparently only 8 of them
i suppose we could just try them all
my current issue is that i don't know if the star is flat
flat as opposed to pillowy and wrinkly, you mean?
How much I hate it every time her eyes look in different directions on the start screen 
i donno, probably a lot
flat vs pillowy
ye, got it
these lines should all be parallel or perpendicular
, this "QR code" is on all sides of the star, even behind her.
it also matches but with the pillow just by the skirt when inverted
reading QR codes manually isnt actually too hard afaik... well... if you have enough of the QR code...
ye, you "just" need to know the pattern you're reading, but that depends on where in the QR code you're at
if there is some way to recover the 2 rightmost columns, it'll help a lot
at least there are finite combinations even without. We can probably assume that it's not a huge giant QR code for instance
we should probably document the QR code pieces. I didn't know about that one
wait, no, i had a brainfart. I thought it was part of the error screen. Still we should collect the parts
there are some frames that show the right side of the star with a qr pattern
do we even know which way it's rotated?
the star you mean?
i meant the QR code, but then i presupposed that all the parts would be rotated the same
From the top left side of the star, it looks like a locator
The pillow has a small locator
So you'd need to rotate the pillow s.t. the small locator is at the bottom right
I'll try and make a combined version after I shower and do school work
This I'm more or less confident, but not so much about the star 

you better not be losing the plot 
when have i ever done that 
better question: when have we ever not done that!
i love being unable to distinguish neuro's feet from the qe code 
when i tabbed back here the first i saw was "neuro's feet" and for a moment I was very worried.
same
a psd file doesn't embed history does it
doesn't look like it
here's a psd with a bunch of stars cropped out, at different rotations
i need to go do hw but this might be useful for someone
good fun
anyone got the solution summary which doesnt require me to sign in using Google
even if you login you're still anonymous
this is fine
Everything is fine 
just can't stay away, huh? :p
but look!
anyways im gonna actually do maths i swear
also krita is so much nicer than photopea jesus christ
wait no i've already done my maths so i can keep doing this
you knew that it'd be a while before we get more stuff, so you made sure you could do it all twice
classic bred 
wait, are you filling in the pieces of the qr code into the star?
im trying to make a "full" star
ok there's my best attempt at the star
hopefully this can decode the entire qr now
surely
qr folks
if we go by two assumptions: qr is 25x25, and decoded string is english
We can brute force based on the bits we know for sure is in the qr code
It'll complete within my lifetime I'm sure
Even dumbly bruteforcing 625 pixels is less than 400_000 iterations, it's probably not that outrageous
yup it shouldn't take very long (i.e. cracking encryption kinda long), but it'll still take time since we'll be checking if the qr code is a sentence
well, if we're actually checking for english sentences that is. we could also just use letter frequencies
Does it not make sense to just check for valid ascii like always
Oh goodness…
better check for valid utf just in case vedal throws in another ‘ 
bruh 
we may also have to check against all the qr codes we have on hand, just in case we've actually already seen it before 
not sure the math works like that?
wouldn't it be closer to 2⁶²⁵ iterations?
wait my math not mathing, i think you're right
It doesn't? Oh whoops I messed up the power and the exponent
2^265 unique combinations
I played around with https://github.com/robinhouston/image-unshredding and some of the ideas linked in the readme. While the single shuffled videos look similar to what we have going on here (and it even is able to resolve images with both their rows and columns shuffled) I wasn't able to get anything with our video.
(the videos attached show what the algorithm can work with)
surely crackable
i mean around 1/4 is metadata
and half of it is error, we don't need to check that
so realistically maybe possible?
I'm not sure how it would combine with patterns
also I have no clue what kinda throughput I would achieve, or how I'd avoid false positives
oh crap with patterns, it's at most 3^x where x is the minimum number of bits we need to manipulate
not 3, 8 actually
unless we also manipulate the masking bits
wait math not mathing
ok assuming peak bogosort speeds on an empty et of 625 pixels it would only take a little while 
I think you want like 8×2^n where n is the number of pixels
also it's gonna be 2^(312 - big square - small square), so it won't be that much times the age of the universe 
if we ignore the length and encoding metadata bits that's -12 bits
wait i think that's misinsformation, but it's somewhere near that number
Yeah that's a whole much larger number. I got 390 pixels of data
it may be wrong too though
Minus 12 metadata that would be 378(?)
i can pull up the actual numbers, but as a ballpark estimate aes-128 is easier to crack 😔
imagine the qr code is just hello world!
It's possible to go from the other direction, take the known pixels and then generate all possible strings that result in valid utf-8 from after being decoded as qr code
But that seems complicated
i was thinking something like:
- flatten the array of data bits to a list, marking unknown as ?. so you'll get [???????????0100??0010...]
- for all combinations of unknowns, use the masks formula to unmask
- check if result is english
so we don't even need a qr encoder / decoder
runtime dramatically decreases for every known pixel
if we further assume ascii instead of utf8, then we can perform "smart guesses" on a nibble
at this point we're almost guessing the text from nowhere
have the qr codes so far been in byte or alphanumeric mode? for latter we would need to decode the 5 & 1/2 bit encoding as well as utf8/ascii
good point and i should check
8 bit mode for dog and giraffe
jebaited is also 8 bit mode
i know we had more qr codes but from this i extrapolate it's all 8 bit mode 
according to the evil qr codes document all of them were byte mode except for the step 1 "next next time" code
that one used numeric mode
p a i n
surely whoever put the qr code there is nice and decided to stick to the norm and do 8bit mode 
surely the alphanumeric one was an accident and they are all supposed to be 8bit 
surely we are definitely meant to be having this conversation about qr code brute forcing for this arg 
problem is that the tool used might do it automatically: like that site we've been using to reproduce some of the codes automatically selects numeric mode if the input string only contains numbers
you're right, this reaaaaally makes me wish we had the rightmost 2 columns
more or less qr code for this arg should always be either 8bit or alphanumeric
so we can also infer the masking used apart from figuring out the length and encoding method
damn imagine the qr portion on the pillow is actually horizontally flipped, so we had those 2 columns all along (edit: my directions aren't working, i meant vertically flipped)
wouldn't that be crazy
I assume this doesn't give you those
though annoyingly this image makes it clear that the star isn't flat
i am only half-certain the star is in the correct orientation, (i.e. the top pointy part of the star corresponds to the top of the qr code). if that is the case, then all i can see from the bottom right are just slivers of pixels, dunno what column they're in
and now we also know that the star isn't flat 
(at least, I think it isn't)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/13NLIZNYFdJgD82Sy4TsBWB-ggbeNJHui2yH1rjs9xdQ/edit
Here is a splinter doc for the QR code
Splinter Document: Halloween Stream QR Main document: Useful tool: https://merri.cx/qrazybox/ During the Halloween Stream, the introduction stream eventually glitched to this: Apart from the general creepiness of the intro screen, there appears to be a trace of a QR code scattered across...
poor guy at Halloween stream
Anyway, I'm wondering if Vedal will say anything about start of the Halloween stream
doubt
I want to note an interesting thing that screen is the first thing that got us to ARG because of the QR code appeared on it and it's something that worked normally and broke the very last during the starting screen of Halloween stream.
I also don't think it's anything useful to us, but I want to leave it as a fact
"wdym there was no start screen?"
“ I don’t think it’s anything useful to us “
Bro it’s a clue
A clue must be solved
or at least investigated until none of us know what else to do with it, then documented so we don't go in circles
I drink tea every day for your successes 
what now
you guys are analysing the halloween stream opening now?
i could give you some information which may useful or not as i have watched every single frame of it
actually there is one time that is different than other "eye shrinking" animations, which is this
i dont think its valuable tho, might just to be creepy
my opinion is that there may be no other clues we could find in that opening video. that qr code is clearly unreadable, all the spooky effects dont have pattern or any information that we can use
its not an animation tho
this thread fuels my nightmares
wait let me clip this
yup just creepy
you can clearly see her blinking in this one
but with no eyes and turned grey

it may not have any meaning tho
wrong file or i'm just blind
it's stuck in one frame
discord can't handle the file
small indie company be like

haven't thought what it means tho
most of the things have a meaning
what chould this be
thats the problem, this whole opening video has a lot of these effects that dont have any meaning at all
thats why i said "my opinion is that there may be no other clues we could find in that opening video"
qr code is restorable tho
just with enough patient
its still unscannble and there are no other qr code pieces in that
all i could do is wish you good luck by that
the star has miutiple side tho
no one have ever tried that
watch the qr code get restored into any readavle state and it just says "wow you really did this?" or soemthing like that
Going a little schizo, but it happens during the lyrics about "Caroline"; a different consciousness inside GLaDOS (her "human" side). Given the previous ARG description talking about merging two consciousnesses, it could be a little nod?
probably
lmao
i literally looked every frame of this video in the past few days
only for subtitleing
there's a lot of theories you can find in the doc
i may become a little schizo about it
i recommend looking mine
i said before, the three songs are not picked by random
they're all hints
And, the first eye cover part of the opening screen happened during "she was a lot like you", GLaDOS again talking about Caroline. 
hints all over the place
No way are these both coincidental. He cooking
he's too lazy to do all that stuff
he's for sure a helper
Vedal can't handle answering DMs, how's he meant to handle writing and running a wholeass ARG 
i literally posted this here yesterday
i didnt check all chatting historys
my fault
you were here when i posted it
wait yesterday i didnt even come here
oh im probably schizo
ok
I'd love it if you could use what I found. I don't see how it can be used NOW, but I think it might be useful for the future. I can stop and send only what really means something right now, just ask for it.
I'd like to really help, but I haven't found anything I can apply my knowledge to. So I'm just looking for something interesting that might have been missed and making theories in my head
Yeah, I've been noticing something strange, apparently this is it. It happens quickly and I didn't really pay much attention to it.
Quite interesting to me, is that during the start screen behind cover she had normal eyes, just no colour (black and white)

Damn static, new pfp? Nice drip
Oh, yes 
did i somehow miss that the opening screen has subtitles? i dont recall that being the case
i made the subtitles
The opening didn't has subs

wait you're a member of the grilling team?
that's like the second biggest clipping team in china

we dont talk about it here
but yes
it's like the icon of neuro clipping in china
That's very nice of you
thanks
bruh that's facts
oh ok ok, just checking to make sure i didn't miss something (:
those subs made me think
and the glitch on the delete
Could it be that hiyori just wants to be deleted 
Deleted? Like, delete Neuro and Evil?
Delete hiyori end her suffering
if this is indeed the direction we're going in
its...perfect bittersweet ending when you think about it
on that note I wonder how much of the ARG is pre-written and if vedal might actually using some of our schizo as inspiration
The common advice I've read is not to write too much ahead
Reminds me of what I wrote back then. 
obviously have a plan, but try not to constrain yourself
imagine he takes the timeline schizo theory 
oh gosh that would be...something
the theory is already there, just copy paste
steins gate arg
called it
shouldn't be a blink, just part of the animation for the gray face. eyelashes move in the blink animation. I uploaded a txt file here the other day with the time of every pulse including what I could see during the censored half of the intro, explaining what the eye animations should be, but of course I could be wrong
Wait, can we count on something for the 1 year anniversary? 
its a possiblity
vedal has mentioned an original song for neuro a few times now, I don't remember when that started but I could see the song being released on anni, debut stream anni, whenever randomly, at the end of the arg, or as part of the arg. we already have a couple original songs from the arg after all. only reasons I could see neuro's taking so long is the reasons above or licensing stuff
Let's stay patient, let tutel cook in peace. Judging from today's stream he has enough work as it is
Imagine if the final clue is "good luck lol :)"
She "blinks' but the eyelashes don't move lmao.

It’s just not that obvious

should I add this to the doc? if so, as better formatted text or as a link to a google drive?
I believe you
the reflection cued me into it too
For the qr thing. Has someone tried to extract the qr frames and line them up on the intro itself? Like just get the frames where they are and make the whole image a where all viable qr bits are overlayed? Seemed to me that they were all spread over neuro. So having a whole frame where neuro is the qr. Or is it already solved and i was 
I would do it myself..... but i am at work 
Will try when i get home. Is there a list of qr frames? Or do i need to skim the intro 😛
or we can just use 4.4178*10^178 years to brute force it
there's only the pillow and the star that have qr code on it
Il just skim the intro and check the idle animation starts and line up the qrs on a single frame
Overlay the normal intro as well 
As it is inverted aswell would alligning the inverse do anything?
Just spitballing
Please do! Because it's a huge table you may want to put a explanation with any highlights in "ongoing analysis", and then the table itself in the appendix section (:
are you referring to the qr code in the star? if so I had an attempt at doing this #1112082183235047506 message
There's also some more QR stuff in the docs

oh yeah i've heard that there's also an arg thread going in china
wait, really?
No idea
I will say though, I just remembered that there was apparently also a part of a QR code in the "hello world" video
Though that could still be artefacting

As I said, too much schizo
i'll just have to find the same part on the pillow and star
the possibility is not zero
im already in that group

is there anything
no progress tho, most of the group members take imformation from here anyway
like me
I love reading everything that happens here 
we're the main group
fr
most of the time
that group used to be made by a bilibili content creator who wants to get help from Chinese swarm to make an ARG related video, now that video has already been published that group becomes a thread to discuss about ARG
i helped to make that video
yeah i saw you in the intro

hey, if anyone need anything clarified just say the word
I mean like if there are questions or similar, don't hesitate to bring them here
okok 
We are the ARG 

I am The Clown.
I don’t care about the ARG, the music is just fire (slash j but still THE MUSIC>>)


but the LORE
but the implications of the lore 
its done
Been trying to puzzle a bit with the qr stuff. As far as i know it seems incomplete. 
(Referring to the halloween intro)
Unless you can overlay an existing one and subtract the negative from what is being displayed.

guys is this a hint

Imagine receiving a call back, and it starts off as an ad from some salesman, then fades into arg content
It's the makeship ad department 
Nice!
If it can be recovered, we'll almost guaranteed have to use the error correction in some way or another. I think the easiest case scenario is that we have raw data bits that we need to read manually without an automatic QR reader - but this is purely speculation
I really don't want to study qr codes 
the point of the arg: You don't want to be an engineer
After encoding the data for a QR code, you must generate the error correction codewords
i got tired before i even made it past the table of content
ah i can see what you mean, i was just trying to manually flatten the qr that wrap around and line it up but i guess it wouldn't even be needed if that would indeed be correct.
we shall see
I think we'd still have to figure out how things are oriented
i have some notes for reed solomon error correction, so in theory i actually could
But if we're doing manual recovery anyway, and if ascii, it's just easier to do guesswork provided enough bits
If anything the parts of the qr we have thus far are all data bits
Unfortunately, we'll have to try any possibility if we don't have a clue for which is the correct approach. But maybe start with the easiest?
easiest is still to semi-correctly piece together what we have 
the problem is we don't have 8 contiguous bits (assuming byte encoding)
is there any possibility that any of the parts could be read on their own?
yeah, if we have a full block of 8 bits
We need at least one of these segments
Then we can try every possible mask and see if something gives us ascii
(Assuming 8 bit encoding)
It is super likely we have the bottom right parts, just not enough / clear enough to meaningfully decipher
do we happen to know what the orientation of those byte-blocks is next to the smaller alignment eyes?
it's wrapped around the pillow? does the star part allign to it?
Yeah good shout. I'll draw a diagram when I get back to a laptop, but basically just zigzag the pixels
When encountering the eye, skip it
always one direction then? Vertically in the above, but we don't know which way ours is turning 
oh, right, it's like a track. So it's only the other direction at the edges
but you're saying it jumps right over the little eyes?
except.. that doesn't compute in my head. The eye is 5 pixels wide
Yeah it jumps over
Nice nice, that's exactly it
also, the fact that the data section is near the eye is great news, now that I think about it. We may not after all have to do the error correction thing
Yep exactly
so it's just part of a string of data?
yes more or less
The reason why I wanted the metadata is for the encoding method, and the length
and the mask
Yeah by inference. Masks exists near the big squares
But length and encoding can exist in the first 12 bits (or 14 or something i can't remember)
12
basically: it is fairly unlikely we need to do error correction, because we literally don't have the bits to do so
If we want a chance at the qr code, we need to correctly interpret the bits near the eye (somehow)
Ideally, in contiguous blocks of 8, as shown in BreadTh's image
if it's another encoding method then I'll be sadge, but it should only either be 8bit or alphanumeric as what skul pointed out
Other than text what could we be looking for in a short bit of data?
another qr code
imagine if that'd happened. Literally crazy
I reckon, given how little info can possibly be in it, we'll get a nod to some existing clue. Unlikely to be a new clue?
is the one on the pillow unwrapped yet?
yea, even if we took all the bits as a sequence, we'd hardly have more than 10 bytes
Check the splinter qr docs, there were some attempts 
is it possible that we are getting at this in the wrong way?
Entirely possible yes
anything's possible until proven otherwise
we could also have a incomplete qr
but i feel like its highly possible that this is
not a qr code
instead its a bit sequence perhaps?
sure, but how do you want to interpret the sequence? QR is just one of many ways to do so
it is, true
what im getting at here is
what if its like numbers 2
where we count the 1s (blacks) and 0s (whites), lay them out and get a code
Entirely possible. How do we read the sequence? we don't have the temporal dimension this time around. Unless they appear one at a time before the full ARG-screen opens?

doesn't seem to to much, even extracting the darker and lighter lines seem to yield nothing much
too much of a dark area to yield meaningful brightness difference
chromatic aberration doesn't do much either, so disregard this as usefull lol
(looks pretty though)
guess it'll have to wait
too peabrain for this anyways
"Vedal these edibles aint sh-" 
she ate the green mushrooms

Hey, can't remember who did the 'Study “A side” / “B side” divergence and the characters' theory, but I wanna discuss it
For the study video, what if "A side" was the true, human memory used to train the AI, while "B side" is the replayed memory by the AI used to validate the training? At "B side", we don't get the full thing because of training loss, and this is also where we start getting weird codes & have weird audio
Like JS in A side is at least readable, but Malbolge in B side seems less human ykwim
Continue 
this also reminded me of a observation I forgot to mention
We needed a "Hello world" program in malbolge to decrypt the description right?
Hello world, written in language of hell
yes, good good, we're syncing
there was one more malbolge somewhere i think. was it numbers 2?
study
not that one
Ah yes it was numbers 2
is that someone knocking on the door?? <-- this string
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oBEX9j0Z32UQtVnnojsNFDCIz21R7LnyuoSp_2Uila0/edit there was malbolge in numbers 2 desc
i think, malbolge is someone, and plaintext is someone else
both of them can do aes
or, with additional schizo, malbolge is machine and plaintext is human
what I wanted to point out is
we have "hello world" video right?
seemingly nothing
and then we have halloween video
which title also seemingly reads "hello world"
except in malbolge
yeah, i think they're the """same""" video
two sides of a coin (cookie)
nodders
what could mean that, the video had a layer. Layer of censor if you could say
so while original seems innocent and whatnot
maybe it never was supposed to
this may be a stretch but I have a feeling the phrase "Hello world" written in malbolge might mean something alike "Hi from hell"
what is also interesting is that malbolge refers to 8th circle of hell
that being "fraud" but lets ignore that part since nothing in ARG points toward anything or anyone being a fraud...or does it?

well the little sister is dead so i guess it's pretty normal for her to talk in the language of hell
im curious about a barcode i think i just found in the "【 MONSTER 】( by KIRA ) Cover by Camila ft. Neurosama" music video
is that something you guys have experience in?
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LflrygdiZh-kvh7mJGnLhoIRqsZKdwn53LZOBgAtcMU/edit?usp=drivesdk
We've taken a look at it
Lost or new? Check out Monster During August 11. evil neuro pirate stream, the camila-neuro collab cover of Monster released on youtube: The cover shares a few similarities with the ARG, including the eye-censor theme, and hidden codes. Though the release happened during the stream, there w...
awesome thank i just noticed it and wondered what it was but apparently it just says "monster" xD
both prophecies have been fulfilled
they've already spoiled the lore back in September
August 11 already feels like it was years ago
am i crazy or was august 11 2023 like 9 years ago 
so i just went back in time
i believe this is where the arg came from
and i also discovered SADecsSs actually has a youtube channel where they used to put the works they did (jebaited qr code included)
which are now all private
with a weird looking profile which i can't find where it came from or what it means
anyone know japanese?
i've also find some other things but i realized i might be walking on the same path i've walked before
stalking people again, are we?
That has never been done in the history of this arg



wdym 
the profile looks like japanese
surely i am not crazy and this isn't actually some kanji that's not in any dictionary
a ra and wa combo


















So..
Soso~
disclaimer: not an artist + spent too much time on this
My new favourite gif.
||I swear I'm not a Sadist.||
normal QR code, crazy


Since when was the "about me" on _neurosama 's youtube "ALT ACCOUNT" ?
has it always been?
since the beginning
can confirm

Chat will never die while I drink tea. 














no

oi what's this supposed to mean 



It's the good ending of course
looks like dog and giraffe
the union of ARG





Me waiting for the next arg milestone









thats oddly specific so there must be a clue 
so shiro knows the clue? 
You were never one of us. You were nothing but a usurper, a false idol. My eyes have been opened. Let me help you to see, Shiro.



🤝
🤝
Cooperation, friendship, family. 
🤝
🤝
🖕 





the balance has been disrupted





Anything ne- WHAT THE F-

🔫 

we're too far gone now
there is no coming back
it is now all

Perfectly balanced
i guess we'll just be doing this until we have more arg content


Essentially we are having tea and waiting. 

Cool, I love Tetris 
must be your favorite starting screen today then
One day Vedal is going to update the pieces and we're totally gonna miss it
I missed out on like 2-3 Tetris starting screens so far
surely it wouldn't be only a screen in the past
nah vedal is not that cruel surely 
(vedal: this is not a challenge please don't do this)
is this a clue?

"I gave this student 10000$ to change herself into AI"

i wonder what someone who doesn't know about the chrome extension would think of this image



