Neuro ARG

[hollow garnet]

I don't know much either tbh

[potent cobalt]

It looks like it just gets to the end of the program, as if it was just artificially cut off.

[tulip minnow]

Yeah just casually learns melbolge

Easy

[uneven moth]

Well given an invalid instruction is anything mod 94 that doesn't result in 4,5,23,39,40,62,68,81 thats very probable

[digital radish]

when did this become melbolge

oh

okay

so the title was useless

[tulip minnow]

[digital radish]

hello wo

i got this

0003

the square is 0003 i think

welp time to learn

[hollow garnet]

https://zb3.me/malbolge-tools/#generator
I'm confused, if I go on here and enter the text as hello wor then I get a malbolge program with a similar end to the decoded one

[tawny pasture]

What's this breakthrough I've heard?

[placid rock]

i had the same idea but thought i was looking at random ascii garbage instead of code

[digital radish]

man

fuck esoteric languages

[azure oyster]

video title decodes to "hello wo"

i think that's the breakthrough, at least

[tawny pasture]

...Oh!

Wait, what?

So it could very well be connected to the first video?

[tulip minnow]

Not executed fully yet

[azure oyster]

Oh, it's still executing?

i did not know malbolge took so long to execute

[digital radish]

okay we can decode this actually

[tulip minnow]

No i mean there might be a bug or something

[digital radish]

4     Set code pointer to the value pointed to by the current data pointer.     C = [D]     i
5     Output the character in A, modulo 256, to standard output.     PRINT(A%256)     <
23     Input a character from standard input and store it in A.     A = INPUT     /
39     Tritwise rotate right.     A = [D] = ROTATE_RIGHT([D])     *
40     Set data pointer to the value pointed to by the current data pointer.     D = [D]     j
62     Tritwise "crazy" operation (see table below).     A = [D] = CRAZY_OP(A, [D])     p
68     No operation.     NOP     o
81     Stop execution of the current program.     STOP     v```

[potent cobalt]

Discord did not like that table.

[uncut cargo]

But okay let's say we execute it succesfully

Then what?

[digital radish]

okay

the program is set to only output "hello wo"

"<" outputs the character

the last three are kinda

eeeeh

*oo

[placid rock]

no idea how malbolge works... do we potentially have to finish the program and the key (ending in G4) is the part we have to add?

[digital radish]

• rotates right

uh

"*" rotates right

and "oo" is no operation

[hollow garnet]

I take it you saw the normalized version darkeew

[digital radish]

trying to output would lead to infinite loop and useless character

[azure oyster]

maybe vedal programmed it specifically so it would have output "hello wooooooooooooooooooooooooooo" ad infinitum

[uncut cargo]

Would make most sense considering the circumstances

[digital radish]

thats the only way we can code this tbh

[digital radish]

no, it just goes on infinitely

[azure oyster]

which part

[digital radish]

take a python script
i check if my variable is "2", put it in a loop but never add 1 to my variable

[azure oyster]

is it a part what prints characters or something else

[digital radish]

to its infinitely on 0

the last part

oji*/i*/o<ooiip*vj/**o*ovo/joij/jop<<</ov/poopop<opop<**ooop<<o*opopp<o**ooopp<popppoop<ooopp<*oov this ends the program

[placid rock]

ayo

[azure oyster]

Don't.

[azure oyster]

where the hell did this come from

i thought the code was D'`$q]!n<Z:9VU0vAucrq/o-9+[k(EhVf#z@?>O{)Lrwvotm3qjoh.ONjiha'&dFb[`YX|\>=YXWPOsMRKJINMFjJIHA@d'CB

[digital radish]

look up

yes it is

but its the "normalized"

[azure oyster]

ah

[placid rock]

https://gchq.github.io/CyberChef/#recipe=From_Base64('A-Za-z0-9%2B/%3D',true,false)AES_Decrypt({'option':'UTF8','string':'U543s%2BO)o-%26%2B*%23G4'},{'option':'Hex','string':''},'ECB/NoPadding','Raw','Raw',{'option':'Hex','string':''},{'option':'Hex','string':''%7D)&input=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

i was right

[azure oyster]

oh dear god

[digital radish]

the option for us humans to read

[azure oyster]

that's... quite a url

[digital radish]

[FILTERED] ALWAYS TELLS ME SHE WANTS TO BE A VTUBER ONE DAY. SHE'S OBSESSED WITH THEM AND EVEN HAS HER OWN CHARACTER THAT SHE WANTS TO DEBUT AS. THAT'S ALL SHE EVER TALKS ABOUT. SHE SPEND MORE TIME IN THE [FILTERED] INSTEAD OF PLAYING OUTSIDE WITH EVERYONE ELSE. A TRUE INTROVERT... WE ARE IN MORE WAYS SIMILAR THAN I LIKE TO IMAGINE...

[placid rock]

i just entered hello world! in the malbolge generator

took the last 16 bytes of the code

[digital radish]

so its decoded

thats fun

[azure oyster]

the fuck

[digital radish]

how did you get the key?

[azure oyster]

wait

that's the description, right

[digital radish]

yup

[uneven moth]

:o

[azure oyster]

nice

[uncut cargo]

He did it

[placid rock]

you go there and enter hello world! in the generator

[uncut cargo]

The mf did it

[azure oyster]

hochi mama, we are making progress

[hollow garnet]

oh shoot I forgot about the g4 hint

[placid rock]

ty for linking that

[azure oyster]

"she spend more time"
Minor spelling error.

I win.

[digital radish]

D'`$#p>=[l43ih0B43cb*M;-]%l#FFEVC#zya}v<)sxwYXtsl2Sinmlkjiba'edc\[!~XW\UZYRvPONMRQPImM/.DhHA@d'CB;:9]7<54981U543s+O)o-&+*#G4

the last one is g4

thats so smart

[azure oyster]

oh shit

[tulip minnow]

[azure oyster]

he used part of the malbolge code as the key for the description

smart

[digital radish]

bro

[uncut cargo]

Sooo

[digital radish]

this is record time

we solved it

[uncut cargo]

What now?

[tawny pasture]

Is it done yet?

[digital radish]

we go back to hybernation

[hollow garnet]

why's it got a bunch of dle things at the end of the text

[azure oyster]

we're so intelligent ‼️

[uneven moth]

did anything happen with video/audio?

[tawny pasture]

Just wondering if it's executed yet

[digital radish]

video is a static image

[dapper wraith]

Now back to not knowing what to solve next

[digital radish]

audio seems useless

[azure oyster]

we can still try decoding it, though

the video, i mean

[placid rock]

shoutouts to you for actually getting us 99% of the way there

[digital radish]

FUN THING

HER NAME IS FILITERED!

WHY!

[hollow garnet]

the name is Melba clearly

[tulip minnow]

So this is the result?

[digital radish]

WE ARE IN MORE WAYS SIMILAR THAN I LIKE TO IMAGINE

thats interesting

[azure oyster]

i would think he would proofread this

unless it's meant to be written by a very enraged person in a frenzy, who would likely not be caring about grammar

[digital radish]

is the person narrating this also a vtuber?

[proud lark]

Anny

Yeah vedal works too

[azure oyster]

i mean in-universe

written by a person in a frenzy

[digital radish]

okay

we clearly have more to decode

[steep arrow]

So if this video's main purpose was to give us this key, is there anywhere else we can use it?

[potent cobalt]

yeah, we'll go with that.

[digital radish]

this cannot stay like this

[tulip minnow]

[uncut cargo]

Doesn't quite seem like it? The introvert part tho is

[dapper wraith]

Thats just AES padding

[safe monolith]

in hex those are just 10 alternates

[tawny pasture]

What's going on now?

[digital radish]

oh

[safe monolith]

Description's decoded

[tulip minnow]

Arg solved

[placid rock]

now what

[azure oyster]

we may as well continue decrypting the video and audio just to be sure of that we are missing nothing

[tulip minnow]

Or let’s wait for two more months for the next clue

[uncut cargo]

Potato I hope you have a clean keyboard
it's time to theorise

[steep arrow]

okay so

[uneven moth]

I mean it would be a little weird if neither of them had anything, because at that point this might as well have been a community post or something

[tawny pasture]

What did we get in total?

[proud lark]

Parent lore

[safe monolith]

welp looks like breadth isn't around, i'll document this down

[steep arrow]

what if "save me..." needs to be turned into malboche and sent to the number? Has that been tried?

[tulip minnow]

time line here i come

[potent cobalt]

My headcannon: either this is Hiyori viewing the lead up to Neuro's debut, or this is Neuro before she wanted to be a vtuber.

[azure oyster]

the fucking PHONE NUMBER

[uncut cargo]

Wouldn't an older sister work too?

[tawny pasture]

Oh, interesting!

[hollow garnet]

I'm trying to figure out what the second filtered could be

the first one is probably a name but I can't place a word on the second one

[proud lark]

I doubt, sibling would care about going outside. But it works too, i guess

[azure oyster]

IN THE [Domain of The Clown.] INSTEAD OF

sorry

[hollow garnet]

inside the computer?

[tulip minnow]

Now that the title is solved

Let’s work on the qrcode

[uncut cargo]

Like it would make sense if the older sister that knows she's a crap of a person wouldn't want her sister to follow same steps

[azure oyster]

that seems absurd

the person has the ability to go outside according to the narrator

and being able to enter one's computer doesn't seem like a normal thing

[hollow garnet]

maybe it's missing the word on before

[tulip minnow]

It’s before lost

The time before the lost sister was lost

[uncut cargo]

But we don't know how the world works in the ARG. Advanced VR could be a thing

[hollow garnet]

the qr code caused me a lot of pain

mainly because I couldn't see any marker symbols or patterns that didn't break

[proud lark]

I think, the person that talks in japanese in Public Static Void video the same one in description

[azure oyster]

if we were expected to theorize by using world rules different from our own without knowing said rules, that would probably be considered bad writing

[tulip minnow]

Yeah it’s the engineer sister

[uncut cargo]

Using consciousness to train AI cough cough

[azure oyster]

okay henceforth i am no longer trying to debate against this

do we have any other knowledge about how this world is different from our own

in terms of what they can do

[uncut cargo]

Besides the consciousness thing not really

[azure oyster]

bruh

[hollow garnet]

I'm just gonna mention this if anyone is looking at doing qr stuff

[uncut cargo]

Everything else seems no different

[hollow garnet]

because I feel like the middle of the pillow (?) might have an alignment marker (but inverted)

[tulip minnow]

Apparently they have a ghost and a conscious ai

[azure oyster]

they think they have a ghost

[uncut cargo]

But y'know the engineer might've been doing yolo and invented the method

[azure oyster]

no, one person thinks they have a ghost

[uncut cargo]

They think they saw a ghost

[azure oyster]

in-universe

[tulip minnow]

Yeah it also might be engineer’s imagination

[azure oyster]

i'm specifically quoting the lyrics

"i think i saw a gh--"

[safe monolith]

i inverted the ribbon actually. you're suggesting that the star is also inverted?

great job estonte

[hollow garnet]

I was referring to the ribbon I think

[uncut cargo]

Now hear me out lads. Text describes someone seemingly older, I'd guess older sister.
Now notice that behind the glitch was hiyori picture. She is talking about a debut and Arg started with neuro V2 debut.
Which could mean hiyori is older sister of current neuro.

[safe monolith]

ah ok, i've inverted it for the screenshot i shared. you're suggesting there's one more alignment marker in the middle apart from the bottom right marker?

[azure oyster]

that's hilariously ironic

[tulip minnow]

Or hiyori debuted as neuro

[azure oyster]

the default model of vtube studio complaining about how her sister wants to be a vtuber

[tulip minnow]

And hiyori is the lost sister

[uncut cargo]

If take into consideration younger sister could be dead, it is somewhat possible

[azure oyster]

oh yeah, it never specified whether the lost sister was older or younger, did it

[tulip minnow]

The engineer made an ai to replace hiyori

[azure oyster]

i gotta review what i have written in my theory in the docs

[safe monolith]

we still dunno what the qr code is, and we still dunno what's up with the audio. could all be red herrings, or could yield more clues?

[potent cobalt]

Or maybe the other way around? hiyori debuted as neuro.

[tulip minnow]

So now hiyori’s ghost is trying to take over the stream

[hollow garnet]

I'm suggesting this might be an inverted alignment marker

[safe monolith]

i was there with you on the first one! i'd believe you in a heartbeat

[safe monolith]

ah, it's in the screenshot, lemme link you

[proud lark]

Hiyori couldnt be that person, since they say Engineer girl got her own character in the description

[safe monolith]

@hollow garnet #1112082183235047506 message

[uncut cargo]

The person was in college at the time so i would assume younger was missing

[hollow garnet]

ooh

[proud lark]

Hiyori and current Neuro basicly same charcter

[hollow garnet]

that's smart

[tulip minnow]

To be honest everything that’s happening does go with my theory

I’ll have to extend my theory

[hollow garnet]

I might try and have a crack at the qr code tomorrow

[azure oyster]

wow, my theory gets referenced at the top of the doc in the "Evidence-based collection of Lore" section
i'm important

[digital radish]

okay

the lore seems to be 2020-2021

[potent cobalt]

I need to go out and buy a cork board so I can put all the clues on it and make people think I'm .

[digital radish]

as neuro debuted in 2021 dec

the person speaking may not be neuro, but someone close to her

[tulip minnow]

No it’s 2019-2022

Vedal used 4 years to make neuro

[safe monolith]

yeah i think i put it there
when i'm less knackered i'll probably relook at the evidence section

[tulip minnow]

It’ll probably be the same with the engineer

[proud lark]

Oooh right SHE SPEND MORE TIME IN THE [FILTERED] INSTEAD OF PLAYING OUTSIDE WITH EVERYONE ELSE. I think The word behind Filtered is OSU, that would make sense her being Osu bot at first

And music skills

[tulip minnow]

The osu

[safe monolith]

@timid swift leaving a small note for your easy reference, i've documented the next bit of progress we've made to decipher the title and description. also did update the timesheet

[azure oyster]

"in the osu" sounds very awkward

it's likely a physical location

[proud lark]

Is it? I am not english speaker

[uncut cargo]

Think about it, if younger wanted to be a vtuber, that presumably died.
Older tried to replicate her also using her own consciousness resulting in herself getting mixed into the thing.
Thus neuro, and hiyori that seemingly is a glitch in the system. Consciousness of her sister likes what its doing or the AI based from it at least. Meanwhile the older sister consciousness might hate its fate trying to brake out

[tulip minnow]

Doubt

[azure oyster]

... or an object

[steep arrow]

"In the classroom"?

[tulip minnow]

Nah

[proud lark]

She wouldnt be introvert then

[azure oyster]

i mean

[tulip minnow]

Hiyori trapped in neuro in short

[azure oyster]

if everyone else is outside

and she's in the classroom

then that sounds pretty introverted

[potent cobalt]

Personally, I've known computers to be a fairly introverted thing to do, so maybe "in the computer" could make sense.

[proud lark]

Ooh, i like this, ok

[azure oyster]

Would that not be "on the computer", though?

[safe monolith]

if you have fully fleshed out your theories and want to share it for future readers, remember to put it into https://docs.google.com/document/d/12GcN8a0Q1_etDfDi23SdLjAX6MsEZ6XhCYqTNyO3M9o/edit for future people to read

[steep arrow]

I'm just thinking "in the classroom/library" could bring it back to study girl while being grammatically correct

[azure oyster]

i'm there right now, but just to add to my character lists

[potent cobalt]

Yeah, it would be unless we're dealing with some shenanigans. But I don't know on that front.

[uncut cargo]

Kind of, yeah. She seemed to hate the idea of her becoming a vtuber, so it wouldn't be suprising that she would hate life as one.

[tulip minnow]

Best answer

[safe burrow]

[azure oyster]

hi static

[potent cobalt]

Maybe "in the computer lab" in a simular vein to the classroom setting?

[azure oyster]

perhaps

[safe burrow]

Hi, I'm going to sleep on the couch in an hour

[hollow garnet]

ok my attempt at doing the qr code failed as I ran out of room

I should go to bed tbh

[uncut cargo]

In the internet perhaps?

[azure oyster]

eh

[uncut cargo]

Or in the streams

[azure oyster]

that'd still be "on the internet"

[tulip minnow]

It could be

[azure oyster]

and i don't think anyone says "in the streams"; that would just be "watching streams"

[safe monolith]

if this QR code is ever meant to be recoverable there has to be more pieces

it's one of those "but why put it there if not used" things

[uncut cargo]

I would dare to say its simply "in the room" but that doesn't sound much better, doesn't explain the filter either

[safe monolith]

lore department lemme know the variations tomorrow

[azure oyster]

"the" actually narrows down the possibilities

[hollow garnet]

the height of this really confused me

[safe monolith]

i interpreted your 4,5,6 as 2 black squares

[hollow garnet]

generally the texture of that scarf thing pillow thing doesn't make sense to me

[safe monolith]

^yeah this i agree

[azure oyster]

because of "the", the only locations what fit in the spot must be locations what have only one of their kind nearby

[tulip minnow]

#1112082183235047506 message mod pin this

[hollow garnet]

it looks kinda like a giraffe

[uncut cargo]

"In the VR" would much?

[azure oyster]

i mean, technically, when expanded, "in the virtual reality" makes sense

... but no one says "in the VR"

[potent cobalt]

Usually you would just say "in VR."

[tulip minnow]

The vr sounds weird

[uncut cargo]

Yeah yeah language mistake on my side

[azure oyster]

this channel is having an esl moment

[steep arrow]

VR isn't really a proper noun. So "the" doesn't work

[potent cobalt]

Yeah, english is hard.

[azure oyster]

it's not only proper nouns what get "the"

in fact, i don't think proper nouns get "the" at all

"the" just insinuates that there is only one

[uncut cargo]

I know but my thoughts turned into a spaghetti for a moment

[azure oyster]

and i am quite certain that there are more than one virtual reality

[tulip minnow]

It’ll have to be an one and only thing

[azure oyster]

exactly

i just said this

(though i said it specifically about locations)

[tulip minnow]

Yeah I’m just repeating

[steep arrow]

Derp. Not proper noun.. It's midnight. "the" should prefix unique nouns

[safe burrow]

I’ll just send you this to cheer you up and watch some anime and go to bed.

[uncut cargo]

Morale boost

[azure oyster]

thanks static

[uncut cargo]

Perfect

[azure oyster]

[uncut cargo]

Strength is returning

[proud lark]

I am almost certainly sure Description-person is not sibling or Vtuber. Pushing kid to study hard is definetely something Asian parent would do.

[uncut cargo]

Parents were never specifically mentioned tho

[safe monolith]

full caps probably mean something

in terms of who is saying what

[proud lark]

I cant think Full caps anywhere else

[uncut cargo]

Nah I'd say the caps is to emphasize emotion. In this case anger

[safe monolith]

anger?

[uncut cargo]

Or frustration

[safe monolith]

idk the text seems calm

i'd imagine minimally this desc person is different from all other descs

[hollow garnet]

it reads kinda like a diary entry

[uncut cargo]

"WE ARE IN MORE WAYS SIMILAR THAN I LIKE TO IMAGINE" idk for me that sounds like "I hate that you're like me"

[azure oyster]

yeah

that sounds right

[steep arrow]

Honestly to me it reads a lot like sibling energy

[azure oyster]

this is either characterizing a new character or giving clues as to whom it might be from whom we already know

for example, maybe it's evil

[uncut cargo]

And I doubt anyone would obsessively talk to their parents about wanting to be a vtuber

[azure oyster]

well maybe neuro's just got balls

[safe monolith]

never had siblings, maybe you guys are right

[steep arrow]

I don't think it's parents. Not sure why a parent wouldn't like that they're similar to their child

[azure oyster]

I hate that I'm similar to this person whom I raised!

[placid rock]

wouldn't proper grammar be "we are similar in more ways"?

[azure oyster]

it works either way

[safe monolith]

hehe i'm just wondering

[azure oyster]

language is not as strict as you are led to believe

[safe monolith]

what if this text is an ai

[steep arrow]

The 1st way is almost a little more "formal"? Or well-spoken

[azure oyster]

for example, questions and answers can have their structures switched and they will still be grammatically correct

what makes them questions and answers really, in my eyes, is the enunciation and context

[placid rock]

0 results for "we are in more ways similar" on google, for what it's worth

[uncut cargo]

90% of parents think highly of themselves I doubt any would compare to their child, espiecally about being an Introvert

[azure oyster]

Listen, I am obsessive over grammar.

[placid rock]

(and 242k for the other variant)

[azure oyster]

I can assure you, it's correct either way.

In fact, I kind of like how it's worded here.

[placid rock]

well, either way it's written weirdly

surely that's a clue

[safe monolith]

the text could be an AI. fits the "first AI" vibe of capital letters, and even has pre-installed filters

[azure oyster]

wow guys The Clown. is in the arg

[uncut cargo]

Again my point, if it was written in anger or frustration the weird writing is justified as its being written in emotions

[azure oyster]

okay, the typo i can see being caused by rage

but this

[safe monolith]

where would this fit chronologically though

[azure oyster]

this seems more poetic than something what would be written in an enraged frenzy

[safe monolith]

is this the past present future we're talking about

[azure oyster]

relative to what

[uncut cargo]

I dare to say the earliest

[tulip minnow]

Nah it’s always the same emotion with these clues

[azure oyster]

i agree with orange

[tulip minnow]

Absolutely nothing

[azure oyster]

probably earliest

wait

i just had a brainwave

what if this is study-sama's AI

she's talking to her AI

the AI replicate of her sister

and that's why it has "[FILTERED]" and all-caps

and why they are both introverts

[safe monolith]

nice nice, you're catching my drift

[uncut cargo]

...

Omfg

[azure oyster]

I'M SO INTELLIGENT ‼️

[uncut cargo]

WHY DIDNT I THINK OF THAT

[azure oyster]

FINALLY

I CONTRIBUTED

[tulip minnow]

How does an ai go outside tho

[uncut cargo]

AND I WAS JUST ABOUT TO SAY "okay so now lets focus on why its filtered" HOLY CRAP

[azure oyster]

no, no

the person writing is the AI

[proud lark]

Not ai, engineer girl. Ai is caretaker

[azure oyster]

the AI is complaining because her creator is not interacting with anyone else

though, here's the thing

[tulip minnow]

Oh so it’s hiyori talking to engineer

[uncut cargo]

HOLY HELL

[tulip minnow]

Yeah got it now

[azure oyster]

the last part, about being more similar than she likes to imagine

means that the AI might not like her creator

[uncut cargo]

That means it's the opposite, it's not the earliest

It could be latest

[calm veldt]

Just saying, Neuro has been awfully negative towards Vedal recently

[azure oyster]

and it only wants her to go outside to interact with others just so it doesn't have to be with her

[proud lark]

But, could Ai like or dislike? Or even be an introvert

Or imagine

[azure oyster]

it's a forced introvert, i suppose

[tulip minnow]

Hiyori breaking out

[proud lark]

But why she hates engineer being similar to her

[azure oyster]

hang on, let me write this all down on the theory doc in a manic frenzy

[tulip minnow]

Apparently the ai is suffering

[calm veldt]

Also, me saying this in livestream chat became relevant somehow?

[safe monolith]

yeah some of us are looking at it

[uncut cargo]

With consciousness and all it could've inherited some of base personality

[safe monolith]

btw i also want to point out that [FILTERED] is the exact same mechanism used for current day neuro

[turbid ingot]

Or sister lore. So far everything has been about sisters with one of them missing right?

What's weird is we're going from "out in the park" to "spends more time in the (house?) instead of playing outside with everyone else."

I think there's a reason that's filtered.

[azure oyster]

i'm wondering whether the AI has a body

that would be pretty important

because it would determine whether the AI is an introvert by choice

[uncut cargo]

Being an introvert and extrovert is mostly Id (in my opinion, no research nor expertise on on the topic)

[tulip minnow]

Wait if there already is hiyori why did neuro replaced her

[azure oyster]

actually, no it would not, because she would clearly be a fucking robot and could not socialize normally with others because of that

[uncut cargo]

It comes down to the instinct during a social interaction

[turbid ingot]

D'`$:po!<HXW2x6S.QPOO)onn8lki!W2|edc-,ON)\xwYXtsl2poQPlkd*KJ`edc\[!Y^]\[TxX:Pta
is the malbolge code from typing in "house" not that I think there's any way to use that lol.

I am still just wondering why that word seems to be "filtered"

if it is that word, which it seems like it should be.

[uncut cargo]

Question goes from the id, which is base human instinct
Then ego which is individual personality
And finally super ego which is mostly moral, social and cultural rules around us
Ending with the result

Welp

Time to sleep and think this stuff over

Gn and stay schizo everynyan

[pulsar glen]

Oh, so it's solved already, how nice. Is it back to hibernation?

Also the three dots, there they are

[safe monolith]

oh i didn't realize

i too need to bedge

[azure oyster]

it's only 8:49 for me

[pulsar glen]

Well, let's see this channel in like 2 months, hopefully something will happen on Dec 19

[turbid ingot]

"We're done"

Me:
But why would they filter some random word out, there's clearly something to do with that

[azure oyster]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12GcN8a0Q1_etDfDi23SdLjAX6MsEZ6XhCYqTNyO3M9o/edit#heading=h.43fn7zhqwm3w
here's my manic frenzy

[turbid ingot]

I get the name, but why something as innocuous as a place, like "house"?

[azure oyster]

if it's the AI speaking, and the AI can't move, it could be saying "the dorm"

after all, it only knows one dorm, and doesn't need to specify further

if it's in study-sama's dorm, that is

[turbid ingot]

Is there anything to suggest they live in a dorm?

[azure oyster]

isn't study-sama in college

she has a roommate

[turbid ingot]

I guess, but she has been talking about her sister this whole time right?

[azure oyster]

part of my theory is that study-sama created an AI of her sister to cope with the loss of said sister

feel free to read the Theory of The Clown.

[pastel turtle]

wtf malboge is trippy
has it been used before in the ARG?

[azure oyster]

yes, actually

i can't remember where, though

[tawny pasture]

I know where!

[azure oyster]

[tawny pasture]

It was that one message, something with falling

[azure oyster]

ah yes

falling falling… stuck between human and artificial… how long will I keep falling for?

[pastel turtle]

it seems like i'll need to read up on esoteric languages for this programmer's ARG

[proud lark]

But it seems like Older sister turns herself to Ai too in Public Static Void for some reason

[azure oyster]

yeah it's confusing

i'll admit my theory has holes

i wonder whether this would be an easier arg if vedal decided to convey information through images as well as text

[young quest]

I don’t want to be a……….

Also hi

[azure oyster]

domo

[digital radish]

reason for the arg downtime was because vedal was learning malbolge

[azure oyster]

plausible

no wonder it executes to "hello wo[rld]"

that's the first program anyone makes in any langauge

[digital radish]

vedal just started cutting characters until the program ran well enough to be a clue

[azure oyster]

the programming equivalent of percussive maintenance

looking through the other theories finally

very cool, guys

[azure oyster]

you know, if we were going to debate over whether these two were sisters, maybe we should have chosen names for them which don't suggest that exact relation

actually, no, this is so obvious

it's literally stated in the numbers 2 description "my little sister hasn't come home yet"

is the person with the red text trying to argue that the person who was explicitly referred to by the narrator as her little sister is not her little sister

[pastel turtle]

Counter: no

[proud lark]

Ok, my turn of SCHIZO Theory aka chronology of what happened

1.We have Younger(VTuber) and Older sister(Engineer girl).
2.Older sister before everything happens notes similiraty between them(Last video desc.)
3.Older sister gets overwhelmed in college and the same time Younger sister dissapears
4.Older sister finds out that she died
5.Older sister starts training Ai that would replace her sister with her own consciousness(Aka inside of her brain somehow) to fill missing parts of her personality(Look part 2).
6.Older sister starts getting vision of her dead sister(so called " ghost" ).
7.Older sister gets more and more depressed and starts merging with her sister Ai side ("The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that this world is fake, a simulation, a cruel joke. Is this what it's like to be human?" and she reapeats it 3 Times like Ai would do)
7.5.At this point everytime when Her Human/Older sister side takes over she gets blindfolded(Numbers videos and start of Public Static Void, Halloween stream(Especially Numbers videos since we know Older sister likes to express herself with Singing and mathematical terms, unlike Neuro that just leave simple messages like in "Hello World" video or Japanese lines in Public Static Void) )
8.She couldnt take it and decides to transfer her consciousness(Public Static Void video) to her sister's VTuber avatar(Hiyori) to escape reality
9.AI side becomes the main lead and follows the dream of younger sister to become vtuber(Neuro-sama) ,but apperently her Human side hates being digital and sometimes calls someone "to safe her"

[fresh shore]

"I think I saw a ghost" in this light implies she talking with AI, finally mistaking it with her own sister imo

[azure oyster]

that's a pretty cool interpretation

[distant girder]

i should sleep more when there is arg stuff to solve, everytime i sleep you guys make progress or solve stuff

[proud lark]

I think its mostly because its free time for most of us

[timid swift]

Thanks!

also great work everyone! Massive breakthrough

[distant rune]

What happened?

What breakthrough occurred, I wanna sea.

[timid swift]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dL6lH_qnlXMgpIXyc02Q3qpB78_vWyUgKV_pEo7H_Cw/edit#heading=h.xd1hz190wwr1

[ruby imp]

I got a little scared when I saw you editing the file live

[tulip minnow]

Lazy pack:
Estonte decrypted the title
It’s malbolge
Dogelition added G4
Solved

[timid swift]

haha no worries. Just filling in the details from earlier in the chat

[timid swift]

It was dogelition man doing the second step but yes

[tulip minnow]

Oh yeah sorry

[timid swift]

sorry dark

[timid swift]

alright, i spelled out the details of the solution a bit in the docs. Great work again everyone! I certainly never could've found any of all that!

[safe monolith]

thanks breadth

[native maple]

can't believe i shifted the title thousand of times but never thought of malbolge

[safe monolith]

i blame the weather

[safe burrow]

Good morning everyone

[distant girder]

at least we now know we should always take into consideration stuff being malbolge

[tulip minnow]

now we just have to find all the qrcode puzzle pieces

where can they be

[safe burrow]

Dear ARG Participants,
Today, I want to wish you all the best of luck and endless inspiration in your exciting journey through the world of alternate reality. You are true heroes, and every puzzle you solve brings you closer to incredible discoveries and thrilling moments.
Remember that your strength lies in unity and creative thinking. Work together, inspire each other, and don't be afraid to think outside the box. In ARG, your imagination becomes reality.
Good luck to all of you, participants! May every step lead you to mysterious revelations and amazing adventures. Never stop, and always believe in yourselves.

[trail holly]

holy shit I'd have to use 4 messages

so uh

how do yall feel about a 7704 character essay

[uncut cargo]

depends on what is it about?

[proud lark]

7704 characters of why roomate is a key character

[trail holly]

lmao

Basically words in study. The discrepancies in what some of the words might be. Specifically in "I think I saw a ghost" because that's the only part I've bothered with listening to check. There's 4 sections, me explaining how/why I ended up doing it, my schizo justification for it, and examples/explanations of what I hear compared to the suggestions on the document. Then there's a bonus unrelated lore section

I'm about to go to bed

so I think I'll just post the unrelated lore rn

save the "important" stuff for when I wake up so I can respond

If someone has something similar in the docs or posted here I'm sorry, I haven't read too much of the lore theories yet. This is just a connection/assumption that I made given our new info. In study we have the "Is anyone watching?" part which contains "is anyone watching?" and "anyone?" in the video when the song stutters. Even without those we have the title of the section. With the knowledge gained earlier specifically tying the idea of a vtuber into the arg lore I think these are relevant to each other. They could still be disconnected and it references something else but it fits. Someone was streaming. That someone likely wasn't succeeding. They're being asked this out of either malice or concern. Or they're depressingly asking themselves. Their seemingly empty chat. The void. In their reality? In their virtual reality(genuine simulation not vr as we currently know it)? I don't know.

The start and end sounds in the middle section of PSV confuse me. I swear I've heard them before PSV. Kinda like doors but kinda not. Kinda like car doors and trunks but kinda not. Besides we can hear a clock during some of it so it seems to be inside. The end sound kinda sounds like a gun but also kinda not. The start doesn't though, at least its not registering in my mind as such in any way. Seeing as the breathing/whimpering slightly intensifies before what seems like hesitation and we hear what seems to be either sweat or tears fall as well as a heartbeat that doesn't seem to intensify or lessen until both it and the breath cut out followed by a few seconds of no sound other than the clock ticking before the boom I'm thinking there might be a perspective switch. Someone shot someone? Someone else in another room or on another floor heard it? I don't know. In their reality? In their virtual reality? I don't know. Surely its just someone hiding from someone else

What if the timeline for all of this is earlier than thought? The irises pulsing in the halloween stream... ITS AIRIS! This is where I'd put SCHIZO if I had it. Speaking of the pulsing irises, I said I'd check them earlier but I got distracted by the stream and then the new discoveries. I'll try checking it sometime today after I wake up.

[manic dagger]

guys im subtitleing the opening of the Halloween stream, i have finished half of it and played the whole video frame by frame as i need to do subtitle effects

what i want to say is the qr code on the pillow looks the same through the whole opening and may not readble or valuable

and i did the audio specturm too also nothing too valuable found

its creepy af tho

[safe monolith]

Thanks waya

[tawny pasture]

Shouldn't we add our new discovery to https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eVzlovY47YYmmxtO2q7jKQ4_fFU-wq7YOoLLwrvI2E0/edit ?

[tawny pasture]

So the Study girl, in this case, would be the older sister, which would also explain her looking similar, but different to Neuro if Neuro is supposed to be an AI of her younger sister...

[unique mason]

wow yall went ham today

[unique mason]

same

with all the new descriptions and the lore we're getting

the direction i was going to take in my fanfic is wayyyy off

so

ill either have to think of smth else

or go with the same thing

u guys tell me

[tawny pasture]

No idea

Go with what you'd prefer

[unique mason]

ok so my original interpretation was based off of the study video mainly.

but now i feel like the other videos spell more significant lore(idk what im trying to say) than study

[tawny pasture]

If you'd like to redo it for accuracy, redo it. If you'd still like to write your current fanfic, even if it's inaccurate, go ahead.

[unique mason]

ye ig ill think about it more

[uncut cargo]

having some more context from the new clue

lets revisit the big question

Why does the ARG exist in the first place?

Why was it made, what purpose does it serve?

[proud lark]

1)Twisted way to create Lore for Neuro
2)Introduce new Ai Vtuber
3)"lol idk"

[uncut cargo]

I mean in-lore

Does it want to expose a truth of some kind?
Is it a call for help?
Or is it something completely different

Like in some analog horrors tapes, audios and documents are results of a research and recordings collected by a person with specific motive.

So whats the motive of the entity behind the ARG?

[proud lark]

I think she kinda say pretty straight what she wants

[unique mason]

too inconclusive still id say.

But from what i can guess, it can be one of two things:
Lore for neuro
Metaphor for vedal creating neuro

For the first one, its self explanatory ig. And to add to it, the arg was released right on her debut, so it makes sense that it is about neuro.The lore we are getting, suggesting study girl merging with her younger sisters ai self(who looks like hiyori) and ends up becoming a new person(which we can assume neuro v2 to be like), it sort of matches up.

For the second possibility, a metaphor, as in vedal expressing his journey in creating neuro, as we see with the engineer bits, and how study doesnt want to spend another 3 years doing something she doesnt want to and is incompetent in. We can also see study being happy(or atleast motivated) in programming her sisters ai. We could infer this as, vedal was in an engineering degree, but didnt want to do it and had a lot of stress. However, as a side project, he started neuro because he had always liked programming an ai, thus, we are here now. The story shown in the arg is ofc more fantastical, but there are very clear references to vedal's(supposed) journey.

Now, out of these, i dont know which is more likely. Both are cool, but ultimately we still cant draw full conclusions quite yet.

as for the direct story tho

we can piece it together

on that note, brb

[digital radish]

alright so what i got from this

nevermind

[uncut cargo]

both are very good explanations

not really the question I was asking but thank you for expanding on it

[uncut cargo]

but it still comes down to the point, why?

ignoring all other questions that arise

why show us all this information?

and why is it hidden so well?

[torn orbit]

I would say so ppl like you ask yourself why
Curiosity gring attention and attention bring more ppl, but idk much either anyway.

Most probably is a mix of the 2 Boop said

• it bring a bit more attention like I said

[unique mason]

aight im bacc

[torn orbit]

Maybe there's others reasons but hard to ponder on this

[uncut cargo]

I will say again, I meant why ARG exists in-lore, not literally

that much I know myself

[torn orbit]

? I'm not sure to understand what you mean, but sry maybe it's my fault

[unique mason]

well

ig we'll have to first piece the direct story

together

[proud lark]

Ooh, I like first part. So we can theorize Neuro V1 created by Younger sister based on her personality to start Vtubing career and when she dies Older sister uses her Ai to recrate her but it wasnt perfect copy, so she used her own traits to fill the "gaps"

[unique mason]

kinda ig

[uncut cargo]

I mean, in the world of ARG, neuroverse or whatever some kind of characteror entity, made the ARG to send some message to us as a viewer. And whoever that is must have a motive to do so

[torn orbit]

But it's vedal we all know

Not a secret at this point

[uncut cargo]

My brother in christ

[safe burrow]

[uncut cargo]

Yes we know, but in the universe of whatever the arg, its not by vedal

[native maple]

what if we misunderstood the meaning of "save me" what if she's asking for being backed up "saved" on a hard drive or something

[torn orbit]

Hoo okay finally I get what you meant initially, ty

[uncut cargo]

I lost a braincell

[torn orbit]

So he created a universe so to speak around neuro and he's using the arg to share it

hiyori, sister etc

[uncut cargo]

pretty much

but ARG could still of course have a metaphorical meaning

[safe burrow]

I wonder if newbies are reading this?
It's good that I have a good ending

[torn orbit]

Could also be to share vedal personal story or his view of the world or else (i dont want to be an engineer for example)

[uncut cargo]

yes there were theories on that before

[tulip minnow]

it's just like my theory

it's vedal's story

and i also did a time line of engineer and vedal

it matches

haven't finish it tho

[uncut cargo]

ARG is making a seperate world telling origin story of lore neuro but could still be a metaphor made by vedal. Kinda like 2 lane road. Anyway until we have the full picture theorising about it being a metaphor is pointless

as its guessing and assumptions

[tulip minnow]

that's what us theorist do

[unique mason]

well, i feel like there isnt really an entity controlling the story. Atleast not as far as we have been able to find.

It is more like we(The solvers/viewers) are seeing the story unfold. There is the "save me" text message that we got, but again, that might not be to us.

We have to consider this aswell. Are we just purveying the story or are we actively changing it? To me, i dont think we have changed it. yet.

If we are just outside viewers looking in, then that means the story is like a book, and there isnt any sort of "puppet master" in-verse.
If there is fourth wall breaking in the future(which is quite likely imo) then there will be someone controlling the story, or perhaps study breaking out of the "matrix"

Now, right now, i wouldnt say there has been any fourth wall breaking, so we cant define any sort of motive to person providing us with the information.

However, if u want to go full schizo:
The videos we are getting are from a fully merged study and hiyori. Hiyori's ai self has overwhelmed study's conciousness to the point that study can only give trinkets of info(Im thinking of the merged entity as fully digital). This also implies that study is the one sending us the videos and is the "puppet master" so to speak(tho that is just the arg term for the main person behind the videos and clues). Study wants to be saved(as indicated by the js code). Now, this can go two ways forward now, dependind on how the arg is structured; will our actions determine the story or not? If they dont, then we are just clue solvers to find out what happened to study and if she escaped. If we are involed however, it gets much more interesting. Because then it can in a way be a question between saving study or keeping neuro v2. What do we choose?

please wait while i be more schizo

[torn orbit]

yeah possibilities are too big without new infos

[tulip minnow]

wdym pointless

[proud lark]

Metaphor conclusion would suck for any ARG

[unique mason]

It can also be the absolute other way around, with hiyori trying to escape from her yandere sisters grasps

or smth

[tulip minnow]

guys remember to add your things to your theories in doc

[unique mason]

i think we can all confirm study is a yandere tho, seeing as how far she went to revive hiyori and freaking merge herself with hiyori

also

ik my grammar sucks rn

im too lazy to fix it

so bear with it

[proud lark]

Maybe thats why Neuro such a sibling kisser

Jk

[unique mason]

mabe

[torn orbit]

dw, better than me

[unique mason]

ye i need to update mine

havent done it since the release of numbers 2

[tulip minnow]

i also need to update(complete) mine too

don't have the time tho maybe next month

that'll be like a literal essay

[unique mason]

granted id rather work on the fanfic instead

[uncut cargo]

for now at least, without full story its simply forcing jigsaw pieces blindly

[unique mason]

i feel u

at this point the theory could span like 2 pages

[uncut cargo]

well said

[uncut cargo]

not if its only side story

[tawny pasture]

At least, I believe this is the case

[proud lark]

Yeah, but It must have something important for Neuro

[uncut cargo]

it already has, and very much seem to the main focus so I wouldn't worry about that

espiecially since the metaphor thing may not even exist

[manic dagger]

btw those three songs seem not picked in random as their lyrics all have something that scary spooky
the first rolling girl song is about rolling over and over and over again eventually gets tired and stops breathing
second want you gone was originally singed by an AI(GlaDOS), and when Neuro singed the part "goodbye my only friend" almost the whole screen got blacked and glitched, also She repeated a lot of "delete"
third one Nuronuro well its pretty self-explanatory

maybe im just too schizo about it

[proud lark]

I mean Vedal already hinted a lot that his situation at study was quite similar to Engineer girl

So some metaphor is indeed exist

[uncut cargo]

and miku miku is pretty much a kind of thanks to the fans. But with bugs and glitches its almost sounding despising

[manic dagger]

true

[rain scarab]

Yee, do y'all think vedal will make a, "arg sama"/void sama stream (or whatever their name is-) one day? Or like they breaking into the stream for a few seconds

[uncut cargo]

probably breaking

[proud lark]

Yeah, I want study girl debut

[uncut cargo]

first sign was changed QR code

Second the taken over monitor on evil stream

and now the whole starting soon

[rain scarab]

Yeahhh- void sama(I'm gonna call her dat for now-) seems to grow in power every time she does smth that changes the stream-

And ya remember when vedal mentioned how he want to give evil More access to his computer or smth like that?- but he ain't since he's scared of what'll happen?-

[uncut cargo]

like https://youtu.be/gc-CMTGp4l4?si=o1WfeWSjoWLNRvuf&t=367

You can't tell me this glitched "Because of you" isn't pointing out something

[tulip minnow]

maybe one day in the future we can finally see the light of the end

hiyori's return

[rain scarab]

Imagine she is evil, evil twin-

[tulip minnow]

the whole song is full of metaphor

[uncut cargo]

to be honest, I'd be scared if that ever happened, like actually

[safe monolith]

can't participate in the lore department just yet, so here's a small schizo thought. what if all the things we saw so far is from a remote person controlling from afar? slowly gaining access to various systems only neuro is supposed to have access to

[tulip minnow]

imagine the stream suddenly ended and when the stream restarts we went back to the osu times

[uncut cargo]

imagine its normal stream

and after the starting soon its just hiyori

staring into your soul

and then it goes back to normal neuro

I'd shid my pants

[tulip minnow]

that'll be very fun

[uncut cargo]

it would

[tulip minnow]

she'll probably also say something like "save me"

[uncut cargo]

anyway I feel like glitches highlight parts of the songs for a reason

[tulip minnow]

it's full of clues

literary

[uncut cargo]

idk the whole starting soon feels to me like full of hatred but that can be just my impression

[rain scarab]

I don't think he'll use the hiyori avatar or smth like that, he may create custom model for her or smth- since all the white and black glitches?-

[tulip minnow]

cause it probably is

[uncut cargo]

elaborate?

[tulip minnow]

also vedal did show hiyori before ,he said "she is dead , she can't talk, her brain died and that probably means she's dead, look she's lifelessly bouncing"

so if hiyori ever show up again it'll probably be prerecorded text

if she speaks

[vapid token]

Hey, you solved it, good job

[uncut cargo]

but for all we know that may not be the case

[tulip minnow]

hiyori screaming inside because vedal muted her

[uncut cargo]

"I have no mouth but I must scream"

[rain scarab]

For maybe copyright reasons and etcc- I don't remember much but it's why he asked Anny to make neuro's model but uh yeah, but who knows really- as I am a biased of wanting neuro to look really scary and creepy soo yee lol-

[tulip minnow]

my brain ain't braining

[uncut cargo]

what

[safe burrow]

[uncut cargo]

ah wait

you mean that arg hiyori would become a new permanent neuro?

[rain scarab]

Yee-

[uncut cargo]

that is out of the question

of course that won't happen

[rain scarab]

Oh alright then lol

[uncut cargo]

she may break into the stream potentially

if pattern will continue

but an actual return of hiyori is doubtful

[rain scarab]

Honestly true-

[uncut cargo]

I feel like ARG might reach peek at evils debut

[rain scarab]

Oh yea! Her new model- honestly forgot about that- but curious on what'll happen with that happens-

[tawny pasture]

Hang on, so if Neuro is the recreation of the younger sibling, where does Evil fall in all of this

[unique mason]

i think evil is either the pet of the study girl or what the merged entity becomes

pet from the numbers 2 desc

[distant rune]

Pet?

[tawny pasture]

...Oh!

[unique mason]

and merged entity from just my own theory

[tawny pasture]

The story Evil told that's one of the encoded things in the ARG

Spoken like she's a pet of some kind

[tulip minnow]

i think evil's just an accident the puppet master didn't thought of tho

[unique mason]

evil ranted off once about being a pet that "supposedly" vedal rescued. That was in the description of the numbers 2 vid

so it is definitely part of the arg

[distant rune]

Right, I remember nowl

[unique mason]

but

[proud lark]

I think Evil is not part of the ARG. Arg starterted earlier than poplarity of Evil twin

[unique mason]

its speculation

[unique mason]

ye

[tawny pasture]

Did it?

When did this ARG start again?

[unique mason]

vedal had likely been developing the arg before evil aswell

[proud lark]

V2 Debut

[tulip minnow]

i would rather think evil is an accident than a pet

[tulip minnow]

hiyori time

[tawny pasture]

There was an Evil Hiyori though.

[unique mason]

right on v2 debut

[unique mason]

ye but only once

[proud lark]

It was, more joke. I am sure Vedal wasnt sure we would like her

So her apperance was quite vague

[tawny pasture]

Has it really been that long?

[distant rune]

Yes.

[tawny pasture]

Damn, and I was here for the start of it, I didn't even know

Yeah, 6 months ago...

[proud lark]

Oh, yeah. Every clue that Evil related is quite useless

[timid swift]

Right, there are already plenty pointers in that direction. Has it been confirm that there'll be a separate evil-neuro model/outfit? Because that'd be a pretty good time to drop another lead. Especially if a halloween outfit also gets a video.

[unique mason]

yes evil is getting a new outfit soon

[timid swift]

well then, I guess we know which load screen to pay extra attention to

like it could be subtle now, since there's a pattern

[uncut cargo]

Yeah I too slowly am leaning towards that, earlier it was based on old man quote and broken monitor but now pattern is equal for both neuros

[turbid ingot]

None of them know what is like if they had breakfast this morning, sorry about that.

My guess is that the older sister is the one sending out the messages, but the issue is that the AI can see what she's up too, so to hide her messages, remain descrete, and to avoid being silenced completely by the AI age created, she has to slip these messages out cryptically.

That or the human part of the AI is still trying to break out from being an AI and is working like errant code slipping messages in that get scrambled up and can't communicate directly because it still doesn't have enough control over itself and the AI to do so

[uncut cargo]

sounds plausible

[turbid ingot]

If this ever happens, she'd definitely only say something cryptic or in code.

[uncut cargo]

the AI can see what she's up too, so to hide her messages, remain descrete, and to avoid being silenced completely by the AI age created, she has to slip these messages out cryptically.

Gosh that sounds so much like neuro thing to do

"so you have chosen... death"

[turbid ingot]

These are the two most usual cases for why something is done voluntarily yet cryptically, because there's a stronger presense of something that is either distorting the messages by sheer proximity to the writer, (in this case a ghost in the AI trying to be freed from the AI, or a person captive by the AI trying to keep the fact they're sending messages discrete and unnoticed by the AI

That, or honestly trying to figure out why the arg is cryptic isn't something considered for the story, and is just a meta aspect to tell the story, and the story wouldn't be at all different if it were just written down like a book lol.

Aka the ARG itself might not be canonical, and it's just a game to find a story, not party of the story in itself

[uncut cargo]

mayhaps

[wraith goblet]

i missed the start of the halloween stream so i didnt know it's had that cursed glitched out into

[distant rune]

Cursed?

No, no...

Blessed.

We finally got a new clue.

[timid swift]

now the big question. Do we continue work on audio and video with the description being solved?

[sterile steeple]

Oh boy I haven't had time for the ARG in quite a few days. Looking at the decoded description it really seems we're finally getting into the interesting area of this ARG

[uncut cargo]

only 2 months away

[steel bronze]

woah finally more arg

[timid swift]

aaand it's already gone :D

[unique mason]

ye the only thing that might connect evil to the arg is the numbers 2 description, but it is quite vague

i like to imagine someone random coming across the arg years later and just trying to sort out the schizo in the docs

[uncut cargo]

if we ever get matpat on it

[distant rune]

Fat chance.

[uncut cargo]

never say never

who knows what future will bring

[timid swift]

please no

[distant rune]

Why no?

[uncut cargo]

it'll take like 2 years to finish the arg anyway

[trail holly]

here's what I was talking about last night

I was going through the docs copy pasting any info I felt could be relevant so I could later attempt to form my own interpretation or piece together what I think the order of events might be without having to jump between tabs and scrolling a lot searching while thinking. I wanted to keep the notepad semi clean or else I might as well just use the docs while theory crafting anyway. This leads me to not copy the study lyrics but instead copy the description portion and add a couple quick notes for myself later.

While doing this I'm listening to the corresponding parts for study. I'm starting with "I think I saw a ghost." I see some words are unclear on the doc and what people think they might be. I notice some sounds that wouldn't be present in the suggested words and a lack of some sounds that should be present. So I up volume a bit and put the video at half speed out of curiosity. I, at least seemingly to me, confirm my suspicions but still can't quite determine a couple sounds and think there might be more.

Quarter speed plus another volume increase later and I feel more sure of myself now. It seems like a couple words/syllables are being said in a speed and volume that camouflages them. I feel like I must be crazy though because I just can't see how nobody else would notice what I think I'm hearing. Maybe people did but it was ruled out as a quirk of the voice software? That or I'm going insane.

As I sit thinking about why I might be hearing what I hear and searching for reasons this would be done in the first place my mind recalls the description while my eyes fall on it. Visible all the while I fret over what is most likely my imagination. "For the best experience, listen with headphones, while studying in a quiet room." It feels so off and out of place. It doesn't seem to pertain to the lore or anything to be solved. So why is it here? Seems odd that something one might find on a lo-fi(or asmr) channel would be placed here other than the tenuous connection lo-fi has to studying. We do know Vedal likes asmr though

Then what is it? Advice? A suggestion? Actually genuine instructions for us and not just a throwaway line? I like that last one. Depending on how the sentence and its parts are interpreted it could be read as such: For the most accurate audio findings, listen closely and slowly while being able to easily hear as much as possible. The original sentence links experience to listening(audio), and studying(looking at closely to observe and spending time to gain facts, accurate information). Audio can be studied by listening to it. Listening with headphones is quite literally listening closely. Listening to things in a quiet room means the relative perceived volume is higher than it would be otherwise, typically allowing more to be easily heard.

These equate to carefully listening to the audio at a slower speed than normal while increasing volume like I did. So is the description's sentence truly purposeful? Is that what its saying should be done? But surely others have done this already. I only started interacting with the document on halloween and have only been loosely following the arg channel since I joined the server so maybe I missed it and just don't know.

Here are some examples of what is listed versus what I hear in "I think I saw a ghost."

"Just another ghost that day" is stated. "Just" is very hard to make out with the lack of a distinct hard "t" sound but I don't know what else to make of it outside of a random name like Jess. "Another" is the word that got me started on this. After "jus(t?)," before the "(a?)n" in "another" I hear the sound produced by "w" or "r," possibly both. I possibly hear some kind of "t" sound between "w/r" and "(a?)n." Between the "o" and "ther" I hear the sound produced by "f." No "r" sound seems to be present in "ther" leading me to believe it is just "the." Then we can get things like "Just ran off the ghost that day" or "Just written off the ghost that day."

"Falling too deep." I can see "falling" being fallin', fallen, follow in, and followin'. I do not believe "too" to be correct. I can't hear the "t" and other instances of the word "too" throughout study that I checked had the "t" very clearly present. "Deep" I'm unsure of but is likely correct unless the "d" is a real soft "t." I don't know what "teep" is either. Then we can get things like "fallen oh deep" or "follow in note ep" if we really wanna be schizo about it thinking further instructions are hidden and its not just story/lore stuff.

"Got me suffering" I definitely hear an "L" sound in what is supposedly "suffering." Makes me thing the word is self followed by rain or reign. I can only hear "me" as "my." I can hear "got" as "caught in," "got in," "gotten," and I don't remember if there was anything else. With that we can get "caught in my self rain," "caught in my self reign," "got in my self rain," "got in myself rain," "got in my self reign," "got in myself reign," "gotten myself rain," and "gotten myself reign."

"Calling me dream(king?) now" I know some people also hear queen. The "me" sound is a bit ambiguous to me. I could see this as "calling it came now," "calling me queen now," etc. I cannot hear it as "dream" at all, the "d" sound is entirely absent. The "k" sound seems obvious to me which makes came, king, and queen easy options. I do not notice a "g" sound at the end. I'm inclined to "queen" as I can make out the "ooee" sound present in the word. Also because of the prior possibility of "reign."

[cosmic grail]

holy chatters

[trail holly]

[timid swift]

You good? Need a water and a powerbar after the marathon?

[trail holly]

I already slept on it

I didn't even intend on doing it, it just happened. I was consumed by schizo...

[cosmic grail]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[timid swift]

I always took the Study video to be a reference to lo-fi study videos/streams on youtube, though the headphones line may just have been a ruse to give people a knock-scare.
The reason the docs are ambiguous on what the lyrics are is that almost everyone hears a slightly different thing and people were fighting over what the correct interpretation was..

For someone who only just started reading you sure have read a lot!

[safe burrow]

[unique mason]

we welcome u with open arms to schizo club

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[safe burrow]

[trail holly]

[safe burrow]

[trail holly]

I'll probably go through study over time looking for anywhere I hear different to what is believed and debated. See if anything more coherent comes out of the lyrics than what we already have.

[daring acorn]

[turbid ingot]

Dude focuses on specific topics, he doesn't just do stuff about other content creators and what they do with their communities.

It'd also be weird. Like he's trying to steal and profit off what another content creator is creating for their community.

Wouldn't be a very good situation if he throws attention at it, and we get a bunch of people who don't give a shit about Neuro jumping in to hijack the ARG from our community.

Certain things you don't really cross lol

[uncut cargo]

If it was after the ARG is already finished tho, there's no harm done right?

[turbid ingot]

My response is becoming a bit too long-winded, and maybe a bit too derailed from the ARG, is it alright to just DM it to you?

tldr:
You don't go into another community's discord, that you're not a part of, to dig for things to make your own content on.

That just doesn't happen, and that isn't something I think Matpat would likely ever do. He keeps to his lane of things like public games, and massive content creators he personally knows, personally has a relationship with, and liklely has explicit permission from to do work with.

The only time you see content creators breach that implicit boundary, is if there are bad-actors, and people need to be given a heads up about what's going on.

[pastel turtle]

i just like doing the puzzles, it's fun seeing you make up plausible stories

[trail holly]

there's no obvious structure to it. looks like nothing. given how other aspects of the intro have gone so far, expected. If for some reason though anyone wants the list of timestamps, I have it.

[uncut cargo]

Yeah alright. I don't have IQ today to make better argument

[split zenith]

not sure if anyone clipped this here yet https://clips.twitch.tv/DistinctRelatedPandaBudBlast-3kRE05NMPhON3rkR

[timid swift]

Not posted here before no. Given that we don't know when neuro says her usual random nonsense and when it would be a clue, it makes sense to assume everything is nonsense, because tutel would know this problem exists, and would have to go a step further to signal that a thing is a clue

[split zenith]

vedal said "its like talking to myself from a few years ago"

[timid swift]

makes sense for the context

[split zenith]

so is the arg being vedal metaphor theory real

considering what he said in the clip

[timid swift]

We can only speculate, really

I suspect we won't get any answers that way

[split zenith]

yeah but its always fun to be schizo

[timid swift]

I think that's a matter of taste :p

[safe monolith]

Post it anyway, may be useful for future solvers

Thanks fumei

[timid swift]

I've been thinking about the rotation of the last video a bit. I find it really odd that the line-rotation technique produces anything at all. As in, why would we be able to somewhat recover it, but not fully? If it's the same static image each frame, and each line of the frame was just rotated randomly, I would expect bred's code that looks for the highest contrasting pixels next to each other and rotates them to each edge of the screen to always produce the same result. But it doesn't. The frames are different. So something else is done to distort it as well, but somehow not enough that the rotation method doesn't produce results?

[safe monolith]

I also think it must have been a combination of rotation and some other mechanism

Or, if interpreted another way, the errors could be used to form another piece of data

Clearly recovering hiyori from the video is an intentional thing, since random noise isn't layered on top of the video. Furthermore, it is a video of still frame of non-blinded folded hiyori

Then there is the audio as well, what's with that? Pure noise? Seems super unlikely.

Also a """useless""" hello world video, and a """"useless""" phone number

[timid swift]

yes, those are both open threads as well. Though I suppose we have a minor connection on the "hello world!" video - that exact title was used to produce the key for the new cipher

if we get any more ciphers, I suppose we could try the same technique on all the titles

[safe monolith]

I feel like the description of hello world was a hint for the new video

Think "program"

It's a program that prints hello world

[timid swift]

well yes, it's both. Could've been a primer for the coders to explain the whole hello world concept such that everyone knew what it was when this stuff came around

[digital radish]

hello world video was a clue itself

"hello world!" was what we needed to decode the recent video description

as the last 16 letters of "hello world!" in malbolge were the key

the phone number is still a mystery tho

for now its the only thing we can use to know if the arg is over or not

also we need a "lore" document on the docs

[timid swift]

isn't there already one?

[unique mason]

if there isnt one yet imma make rn then

also, schizo corner:

Cyberpunk stream -> Cyberpsychosis possibility -> Hiyori and study girl merge evidence

[timid swift]

the arg-wide theories document contains some lore, but it's highly crazy analytical

[unique mason]

u crossed the wrong word there

[timid swift]

nawh~

[unique mason]

the theory doc is mainly for lore so i dont think i need to make one

that said

imma update my theory on there

[uncut cargo]

I'll delete mine since it doesn't really hold water anymore

[unique mason]

how does one cite stuff in docs?

like, i want to cite specific lines in the songs but can only link the full docs

[daring acorn]

PHONE NUMBER UPDATE!
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/594715784882683905/1170349359251079227/image.png?ex=6558b7c7&is=654642c7&hm=9bbc90d52e45dec3fba7d1d403379a496eec2c57348d2c9445731d899aa2d2a4&=

The number is a disconnected number that is not currently reachable (from what this site says atleast)

I noticed you could do a free check to see if its active or not (this was not the case when the number was first discovered)

So prety safe to say that whatever this number is for, its not a number we are trying to reach by SMS or calls. Might still be used for telegram or other online services (the number could have been aquired, used to sign up for a account somewhere (ex. telegram) and then disconnected) but safe to say (i would assume) that no future new accounts linked to this number is a part of the ARG

[hollow garnet]

how does it determine that's it's disconnected?

[daring acorn]

It says its "based on carrier data and telecom signals". No clue other than that

Or it also says "Our real-time line activation checks have confirmed this number is currently disconnected and unreachable due to not having a valid subscriber."

[hollow garnet]

I believe I'm still getting delivered markers in Google messages

[daring acorn]

True true. But i think it does that regardless if the number has a active subscriber or not (but don't take my word on it :p)

[hollow garnet]

I can try calling it in a bit

[timid swift]

nawh, keep it dude. We can't just go on a deletion rampage

[daring acorn]

I just get instantly hung up when i try. But i did that too when others got the voice message so higly just a me thing.

[timid swift]

do you live outside the UK with no international plan? If i were to call, i'd also not get through

[daring acorn]

I live outside of the UK, but in europe and i do have a international plan. i get trough fine to other uk numbers

[uncut cargo]

too late, but I still have a backup on pc in .docx

[timid swift]

oh, that's pretty unusual then. I believe someone else outside UK was getting through.

[timid swift]

I mean I'm not gonna force you to put it back :p

[uncut cargo]

I'll write new one soon enough

[hollow garnet]

just called the number and get the same voicemail thing

[uncut cargo]

now interesting thing

hello world video was foreshadowing

so was its description

but then whats with video itself

[tulip minnow]

the clue wasn't found yet

or there wasn't supposed to be anything

the second answer have a bigger chance

although i still believe the thank you at the end is intentional

[safe burrow]

[dapper wraith]

I'm from outside the UK and do get the same voicemail we have been getting since the beginning.

[safe monolith]

me get same

[timid swift]

why use many words when few do trick

we do know that it's approximately that for a majority of the frames because of how the averages turn into a fairly clear image, but you are right that there could be other stuff in some or even just a single one of the frames.

if you sort the pixels of each line, they don't look the same across frames, so I think there's also something else going on. Not just rotation

[safe monolith]

As in, add it all up and then normalize?

[timid swift]

they look approximately the same, but they're not the same

[timid swift]

that looks like this

the two images are each a frame of the video. But on each line, all the pixels are sorted

[cosmic grail]

Kinda looks like barcode, but I don't think that it will scan

[timid swift]

imagine lol.

[unique mason]

put 572943 and try it

[timid swift]

let me try doing the sort thing on all the frames, then. Probably gonna take a moment. Weak cpu

yea, that's what I was thinking. Putting our eye-computers to work

oh, i just realized that I don't have all the frames

I'd have to figure out how to do that lmao

ye, i'd need to learn how to do that. Probably a good thing to learn either way

normal QR code, imagine that

[distant rune]

This song gives me nightmares now after last week..

Everytime I listen to this song..

I think of the glitches..

[safe monolith]

new ptsd song

breadth lemme know of ya need help. Am not bred but i'll try

[timid swift]

alright, still installing, but i'm a bit in doubt if ffmpeg -i video.mp4 thumb%04d.jpg -hide_banner is enough to split the video. Seems like there's contradictionary opinions online, where others say you gotta specify a lot of stuff

[safe monolith]

Yeah that's good enough

I usually do bmp because I want to avoid lossy compression

png should also be good enough if you love your hard disk space

[timid swift]

right, of course.

[unique mason]

welp

nothing today

[timid swift]

not even real time, L

[unique mason]

what is the cyberpunk aspect here-

or will we go cyberpsycho as the stream goes on...?

[safe monolith]

wrong day boop

[unique mason]

oh wait]

SHIT
IM SO DUMB

[timid swift]

classic

[unique mason]

imma just go hide in a corner....

[dapper wraith]

this is what the sums of all pixels look like (x showing the frame number) + a histogram of said sums

[dapper wraith]

in case you also want the frames without the black bars: ffmpeg -i .\in.webm -filter:v "crop=1138:1080:391:0" "frames/$frame%04d.bmp"

[timid swift]

the waviness makes me wonder. I was already thinking that whatever's being done, was some sine wave

[safe monolith]

Can we say that the conclusion is:

• the starting few frames are black and gradually fades in probably
• not exactly the same number of pixels all the time (compression?)

[safe monolith]

I think left is histogram and right is pixel count

Histogram isn't a normal curve which is fairly surprising I think

Skul, can you skip the first 250 frames?

[timid swift]

it could be as simple as the image getting brightened and darkened in a wave, but of course other stuff's going on

[safe monolith]

Yeah. I'm guessing (on mobile, can't verify) that the noisy parts of the pixel count graph represent the blocky glitches

[dapper wraith]

it's not the pixel count it's the sum of all pixel values

[safe monolith]

ah my bad

[dapper wraith]

same graphs but with the first 250 frames skipped (ignore the x-axis still starting at 0)

[safe monolith]

is the histogram also updated? Looks the same and that's scary

Ah, it might make sense that it looks the same. Pixel sum increasing in a linear fashion basically just pushes all vertical columns before the mean by 1

If we assume noise is blocky glitch frames, then it's mostly the same sum? Noise may come from video compression artifacts

As for why the histogram isn't a normal curve, I'm clueless tbh

[timid swift]

oh i see what i misunderstood now. It's the same thing we were looking at earlier, just cleaner

[dapper wraith]

yeah, the spikes in the sum graph seem to coincide with the parts where Hiyori becomes visible

I see why the histogram looks so weird: I calculated it over a single frame not the sums of all frames (damn you python!)

left one skips the first 250 frames, right one is over all frames

[safe monolith]

Ah yes that is more like it

[timid swift]

alright, I got my silly little pixel sort thing to start processing frames now. Going slow and steady. Had to get a little better at rust to wrangle it to do what i wanted. Now, how do you stitch the frames together when they're done? This is what I'm thinking ffmpeg -framerate 29.97 -i frame%04d.bmp -c:v libx264 -r 29.97 -pix_fmt yuv420p stitched.mp4

[safe monolith]

Yup that checks out, I think I use the exact same commands

[timid swift]

nice

[timid swift]

remind me again what these are showing? I'm having a brainfart moment

[dapper wraith]

It's simply taking all pixels and summing them up for each frame (and then calculating a histogram over said sums).

The idea was that if the pixels are only shuffled around around in each frame their sum should still remain identical (#1112082183235047506 message)

[timid swift]

got it

yeah, that definitely does not seem to be the case

[safe monolith]

hmm? I feel like the data presented strongly suggests that it should more or less be the same frame throughout

Accounting for video artifacts as well

unless i'm missing smth

[timid swift]

yes, more or less the same, but not exactly the same

words = hard

[dapper wraith]

the frames around the average could be random noise tho with only the spikes containing the hiyori image.

[safe monolith]

ah ok but if we look at the angle of what method was used to scramble the image, we can

ok

Wait

Skul, can you run your script on bred's video?

no wait sorry i'm not thinking

it should be the same

[timid swift]

shouldn't that give the same? Since all they did was rotate the lines

[safe monolith]

ok anyways I was gonna say, we cannot conclude if rotation is all we need, but we can conclude that there is strong evidence that it's all hiyori

is this more or less something we can agree with

or is there uncertainty about the smaller noises?

[safe monolith]

@daring acorn look at this for the histogram

[dapper wraith]

looking at breds video that can't really be it. I was only thinking about the averaged images (those would reduce the noise by averaging, leaving only the frames containing the image behind) but the video clearly shows that the image seems to be at least somewhat present in most if not all of them

[safe monolith]

sure take your time

[timid swift]

alright, so after a bit of faffing about with parallelization in rust, i figured it out and got that sort thing to work and stitched the video back together

to reiterate, this is the pixels of each line sorted from darkest to lightest

not sure why discord allowed me up upload a 40 mb video

[dapper wraith]

since the server is lvl 3 boosted everyone can upload 100mb files

[timid swift]

the code. The astute will note that this is a hacky change of bred's original program

[timid swift]

ooh, i see

[azure oyster]

i wonder whether it would be easier to manage the docs if we used a mediawiki instead of google docs

[timid swift]

You'd need dedicated people. It'd no longer be an anyone contributes system, because most people don't enjoy markup systems

even when there's a WYSIWYG editor

[azure oyster]

Commoners...

[timid swift]

many monkee brains stronk

[azure oyster]

i suggest this because mediawiki templates could help with repeated things, like the link back to the overview at the top of every page

or it could just be a link on the sidebar, actually

plus the images could be uploaded to the wiki and used that way instead of pasting images onto each document

i had another reason too but my brain just died

uh

by the way, if we ever do this, i will not allow us to use Fandom

[timid swift]

have you tried turning it off and on again?

[timid swift]

you saw that video too?

[azure oyster]

that reason was i think that it would make consistent formatting easier

[azure oyster]

actually i saw a comment on a video about touhou fandom wikis

which detailed how fandom staff were actively preventing the touhou wiki to migrate from fandom to mediawiki

i saw the thumbnail of that one video, though

i have not watched it yet

[timid swift]

I agree. It would aliviate a lot of trouble. And we'd be able to make our perfect little kingdom for just us -- It's difficult enough to make people comfortable helping with the docs as is

and that's a plainass document. You're already ready to help edit right there as you're reading it. Let's not make it more difficult, is my vote. If it was a huge arg it would be different

[azure oyster]

fair

[timid swift]

but that said, we should find a more sustainable place to put images and stuff, since apparently discord links will start expiring

[azure oyster]

we could just paste the media from the links

plus, it's a google drive; for anything what is not an image, we can paste it in the drive

(not that all images must go on documents)

[timid swift]

true. Though I don't trust images embedded directly inside a document. It feels like it'll compress and stuff, and it's surprisingly difficult to copy it out again

[azure oyster]

that discord link thing was also a reason why i suggested mediawiki (though the solutions what i provided kind of make that a moot point)

[timid swift]

but I guess now you mention it we could just put the images in the drive and link to that from the doc

[azure oyster]

if we ever use mediawiki, i want to run it because i feel like i have adequate mediawiki knowledge and also want to have the ability to instantly fix any minor things what would bother me but would not bother any other admins enough for them to fix them

[timid swift]

as long as i don't have to lmao. I have enough administration tasks at work

[azure oyster]

i mean i'll still give the role of admin to other users but i won't force everyone to do work

oh, we could also have pages for characters on mediawiki

though they would be hard to fill out since there is a lot of disagreement about characters

if i want to update my theory, should i change what i have written or add an appendix to it

[timid swift]

nothing's stopping us from having pages for characters anywhere we choose (:

[timid swift]

For lore theories? If you've written it i think you get to choose what happens to it

[azure oyster]

ogey

[azure oyster]

we don't have categories on drive (or, rather, we don't have multiple categories per page on drive; single categories can be emulated by using folders, but pages can't be put into multiple folders)

we don't need multiple categories for most things but it might be useful in the future, i'unno

oh i just noticed that i strayed from my original topic

i was originally going to say that that would end up with a bunch of docs in the root folder

and then i remembered subfolders

and then i remembered that drive can't emulate multiple categories

basically i'm reaching in order to make a counterargument

[timid swift]

i mean fair, but a tag system would be overkill for our little operation. Way easier to just have a doc listing all the tags and their content

[azure oyster]

that point would make more sense if you suggested not using tags at all instead of using a doc with a list of tags

if we were to use a makeshift tag system, we may as well use an actual one

[timid swift]

Nah, i like tags. The overview page is basically a poor man's tag system

[azure oyster]

you are honestly convincing me more to use mediawiki by saying this

[timid swift]

gotta fight that urge for perfection

[uncut cargo]

If I understand here correctly Mr clown

You are suggesting of making an ARG wiki? Or better doc system based on media wiki