ok in that case I'll have a crack at it in a bit
#Neuro ARG
hollow garnet
digital radish
well
safe monolith
Based on this it totally could be a combination of offset + rotation
digital radish
turning it into valid characters, only one converts
which is ;
??;?????????????????
@native maple 59
native maple
what ?
digital radish
59
native maple
it should be higher than 300 to enter letter range
native maple
sure
wild nimbus
I dig into this and found out most of the characters here are ancient greek
What I found so far (Might need a factcheck):
Ͱ̴ = H
ͳ = Sampi = like a pi?
Ϳ͉̻̽ = J
ͻ̸͕ = Small Reversed Lunate Sigma
Ͷ̳ = W
ͽ = Reverse Dotted Lunate Sigma
Ό͎͍ͬ = Omicron with dasia?
tulip minnow
maybe those squares can only be seen in a certain language?
native maple
the breakdown of the characters is on the doc
wild nimbus
Alright
unique mason
turbid ingot
maybe those squares can only be seen in a certain language?
Change it to wingdings and maybe you get a hyrogliphic style message lol
wind crypt
we need to properly understand the kinds of transformations applied to the video frames before trying to fix them
can try the entire space of offsets and still be wrong if there's something else at play
safe monolith
yep i agree
which is why i'm thinking of rotation as well
when i did a manual restoration, i realized that if some parts were rotated we get almost a complete image of 1 neuro
However I don't know the rules particularly whether rotation should come first then offsets or offsets then rotation
safe monolith
another question is then, in theory, we'd get 2 hiyoris after restoration work. do they matter?
digital radish
might be mirroed
tulip minnow
i did get different results when changing the font tho
safe monolith
yeah, or could be binary sequence again. too early to tell 
tulip minnow
it shows DZj G uDZ 3 J g when it's in cg omega
safe burrow
safe burrow
For now I'll put a schizo avatar 
tawny pasture
That's a bit of a clearer image on the right for it being unedited
safe monolith
imagine we just take all of the frames where neuro is visible, and lay it out into a qr code haha
hahaha
unless
safe monolith
Do you have a frame number?
tawny pasture
Not really, I just copied it from the YouTube video
I'm manually scrubbing through a ton of the frames.
, (<) for 1 frame back
. (>) for 1 frame forward
safe burrow
Is there a venetian blind effect?
tawny pasture
Wouldn't it be funny if this static is a magic eye effect
I had a nightmare trying to get one of those to work
My eyes want to focus on the thing, but you can't look at it to see it through the static.
Also known as an autostereogram
The static also looks blocky
tawny pasture
Also known as an autostereogram
Wait
What if it is?
What if the static is exactly that...
safe burrow
tawny pasture
What if the static is exactly that...
I mean, I'm seeing strange patterns in the static, it's possible
I just can't focus on it properly
cunning osprey
Potential schizo moment: Is there a center column that encodes different data than the rest of the image?
pastel turtle
i'm usually pretty good at stereograms, i can't see anything ||inb4 it actually is a stereogram 
||
safe burrow
Potential schizo moment: Is there a center column that encodes different data th...
Well I see a silhouette
pastel turtle
yeah, if you send me a real one i can get it pretty quickly
safe burrow
And I need to get some water so I'll be back soon.
umbral tulip
i also changed it into chinese which reveals 17 blocks
標楷體 means a standard Chinese font and it is not very helpful
tulip minnow
標楷體 means a standard Chinese font and it is not very helpful
ik i'm just trying out stuff
tawny pasture
Wait, so can you see anything in this frame, for example?
Just wanting to see if this is something
pastel turtle
hmm, no
digital radish
digital radish
inverting colors allows the image to be seen better
pastel turtle
for comparison, this is clearly one horse
tawny pasture
Yeah, I can't see it
It's funny really, because I would have the ability to see it, I just can't focus on it properly
pastel turtle
hmmm, i could've said i saw something; it would be a while until anyone figured out i was lying 
tulip minnow
pastel turtle
on an unrelated note, before i take a break, i find it suspicious that the only characters that aren't letters or numbers in the description are '+' and '/'. Extracting only the numbers and evaluating with these operators doesn't give me much, but the integer division '//' at the end tips me off 
dapper wraith
isn't that just base64
cunning osprey
After staring at frame 433 for a while I can say with a high degree of certainty that the video (or at least that frame) is divided into 32-pixel wide columns
Pixels often abruptly change their value when their x-position is at a factor of 32, it's very visible when looking for it
this might actually just be a weird VP9 encoding artifact though (if the encoding is tiled)
hollow garnet
just realised i've been assuming this was 60fps and not 29.97fps
which is not a good idea
azure oyster
the uncleanliness of that number bothers me
safe monolith
hey did anyone try NOT-ing the title?
digital radish
the description is AES 128
digital radish
hey did anyone try NOT-ing the title?
whar
azure oyster
man, this part of the arg is getting complex
i don't know what NOT-ing or AES 128 are
digital radish
¬¬
safe monolith
producing ascii
azure oyster
that looks familiar
digital radish
you werent here on the numbers arc
digital radish
producing ascii <:NeuroClueless:1072901352902103100>
theres a control character...
azure oyster
have i seen that character in one of my college courses
yeah, it's a logic negation symbol
hollow garnet
ok i have no clue what they did to shift the frames
current attempt results in this mess for the visible parts
tulip minnow
the noise looks like compressed hiyori stacking on each other
hollow garnet
ok i cooked something
safe monolith
ah she really was in every frame
sterile steeple
Good, very good. You can definitely see her outline in this one
hollow garnet
i found the index of the darkest pixel and shifted it left so the pixel was on the left edge
digital radish
ok i cooked something
IS THAT BAD APPLE??????????
safe burrow
safe monolith
i'm currently trying something on the thumbnail
digital radish
i can try and do this to every frame if you want
how can i do it
hollow garnet
here's my current code
it expects a media/frames folder with each frame and an output/frames folder to put the frames
digital radish
okay how do i install rust
hollow garnet
i did the full thing btw
gonna be real idk why its white at the edges but its probably a bug in my code that might be inverting it or something weird
oh wait my ordering function was backwards so it was finding the max
safe monolith
if i'm reading the code right, this is purely rotation?
hollow garnet
yeah
safe monolith
hi shiro, check out bred's video
hollow garnet
each line is rotated to make it so its lightest pixel is on the left
safe monolith
very clever
wind crypt
each line is rotated to make it so its lightest pixel is on the left
wait confirmed?
hollow garnet
no, that's whats happening on this video shiro
wind crypt
o
hollow garnet
but it makes the face very clear imo
hollow garnet
i've shown people sat next to me and they seem to be able to see it a lot better
digital radish
THATS WHAT I SAID!
safe burrow
looks more like bad apple to me
There's a face and eyes...
safe monolith
yeah, it's definitely there
proud lark
it looks like hiyori to me
safe monolith
I think this means most of the video is just a static image of hiyori
but cannot confirm
hollow garnet
lemme try actually taking the min this time
that is suprisingly visible
i wonder if one in mins and the other is maxs or something
but that one is very visible jesus
safe monolith
oh good point
hollow garnet
that is suprisingly visible
this one also looks a bit more stable during the flickers
proud lark
interesting, are we supposed to restore full image ?
digital radish
no clue, but we think so
tbh i think our clues are the title and sound
i dont see the video itself giving much information
we need to do a list of what we can do with sound
safe monolith
video is more figuring out what is in it
if we can confirm the entirety of the video is just a static hiyori, then we eliminate one possible source of clue
safe burrow
Yes one image
digital radish
i still think we can fix the video with sound
safe monolith
nevertheless, the blocky glitchy frames is still kinda weird to me
safe burrow
Or maybe two or three 
digital radish
That's a bit of a clearer image on the right for it being unedited
i feel like you could glue these together
tulip minnow
that's a lot of work
digital radish
wait
digital radish
you can see the lines
like you can actually put them together
yeah you cant see
it looks like they just slide in
safe monolith
gimmie a sec i'll try bred's technique on that image
hollow garnet
ok im not getting any real improvement by doing min-max alternating on each line
wind crypt
how was this performed again?
hollow garnet
find the darkest pixel, and then rotate its line of pixels left so that its on the left of the (cropped inner part) image
anyways i have to start walking home now so no more silly renders
this was with min-max-min-max btw
safe monolith
yes
wind crypt
i.e. all the pixels on any given line in the original are still in the same line now, just rotated some amount
safe monolith
yes that's right
wind crypt
wow
its an interesting find for a few reasons
if min works so well, that likely means that most lines have not been colour-inverted
and that the left side of most (if not all) of the original image has (or at least is tied for) the darkest colour
hollow garnet
I assumed that would be the case because most of the arg videos are on a black background
wind crypt
i have an idea for you then
what we wanna rule out most is the case where the whole vid is a static hiyori image right
if you correct one frame manually, you should be able to get a light-vs-dark measure for each line
given pixels remain within their line invariantly, you may be able to use this to tell if a line is colour-inverted
and then invert it back before performing your min operation
gentle locust
thats some amazing progress :o... you people are cool.
wind crypt
e.g. if a line is supposed to be 70% pixels above half brightness but is 30%, it's clearly been inverted
hollow garnet
that is suprisingly visible
could someone try taking a mean value for each pixel in this?
might make it more clear
wind crypt
i tried that for the raw b&w video earlier and didnt get anything
lemme adjust my code to use your line rotation algorithm and try again
safe monolith
gimmie a sec i'll try bred's technique on that image
btw just realized this won't work @digital radish, since the image seems to have different rules from the noisy part of the video
need a completely different script to stitch that together
uncut cargo
that is suprisingly visible
Holy
hollow garnet
honestly surprised my code worked as fast as it did
timid swift
great progress, guys!
tulip minnow
btw just realized this won't work <@452436342841016341>, since the image seems t...
we can do it manually
safe monolith
@hollow garnet if I overlay a bunch of the frames from your video together, setting opacity of black to 100%, will it achieve the same effect?
hollow garnet
not sure
digital radish
btw just realized this won't work <@452436342841016341>, since the image seems t...
hmmm alright
timid swift
I don't think so. Each frame alone is very hard to recognize
hollow garnet
you might just find the ones where they are white at any point
timid swift
it's essentially our eyes blurring the averages together that's doing the trick, as far as I can tell
hollow garnet
you might be able to take a running average if you're trying to avoid loading every frame
digital radish
i was thinking, if we turn one of the frames to only black and white (255 and 0), and then separate the black from white (2 images) and try putting them together like puzzles maybe we can restore it?
timid swift
Running averages seems like a good idea yes
fresh shore
could it be chess moves written backwards or something
safe burrow
dapper wraith
judging from breds results that's probably not what's happening in this video but I tried the databending technique we discussed a bit ago by converting the audio of study into a video
safe monolith
i wrote a script but i'm also on wsl, being skill issued by windows disk speed
hollow garnet
please tell me your files aren't on /mnt
safe monolith
import cv2
import numpy as np
video_path = 'outmin.mp4'
cap = cv2.VideoCapture(video_path)
frame_running_sum = [0] * (1138*1080)
no_frames = 0
while no_frames < 50:
ret, frame = cap.read()
if not ret:
break
no_frames += 1
print(no_frames)
gray = cv2.cvtColor(frame, cv2.COLOR_BGR2GRAY)
flattened = []
for ind, i in enumerate(gray):
for j, _ in enumerate(i):
frame_running_sum[ind * j] += i[j]
def group_into_sublists(arr, chunk_size):
for i in range(0, len(arr), chunk_size):
yield arr[i:i + chunk_size]
thing = np.array(list(group_into_sublists([ree / no_frames for ree in frame_running_sum], 1138)))
cv2.imshow('bruh', thing)
cv2.waitKey(0)
cv2.destroyAllWindows()
crap code but should work i think
someone with not wsl /mnt/ try plz
wind crypt
find the darkest pixel, and then rotate its line of pixels left so that its on t...
how are you calculating the darkest pixel
ive ended up in computer colour hell
safe monolith
let grayscale = image::imageops::grayscale(&cropped);
grayscaled it, so it's a number between 0 to 255 of how grey things are
darkest pixel will just be 0 (or 255, one of them) i think
safe monolith
java debuff
hollow garnet
I think this is using luma if that's any use
safe monolith
i think i did something wrong, but this is the result of frame 50 to frame 150
timid swift
broken screen
wind crypt
dropped your phone 
fresh shore
saniest neuroarg enjoyer's monitor
hollow garnet
I will try and do the mean myself in a bit
safe monolith
definitely did something wrong, average of 1 frame also gives me a broken phone screen
hollow garnet
thank god I was scared you'd found a pattern
timid swift
bro, imagine if the next layer was a series of broken screen pattern. That would've been scary
native maple
tried a script to shift down all of the title unicode and try getting plain text but no coherent phrase or even words
public class Main {
public static void main(String[] args) {
for (int i = 900; i > 500; i--) {
String str = "̷͔Ͱ̴\u0381̱ͭ;͌ͪ͊Ά͑΅ͳ\u0382\u0381̿Ϳ͉̻̽ͻ̸͕\u0378ͦͶ̳Ί͐͏͎\u038B̹͜\u0382·ΆͿ΄ͽ̓\u0381ͺͿ\u0378̾͟͞ͺ\u0379\u0378ͱ̷̶ʹ͖ͲͫͰͩͨΌ͎͍ͬ\u0383͛͢͝ͺ͚͙͘ʹ̷͓͒";
char[] chars = str.toCharArray();
String out = "";
for (char chara:chars
) {
chara -= i;
out += ""+chara;
}
System.out.println(out);
}
}
}
found the bug, trying again
forgot to save
50 - 150
first try
i'll do a longer duration, lemme send code
timid swift
could try the whole video if it's still a mess
hardy burrow
timid swift
nawh, not schizo. It's pretty clear
safe monolith
import cv2
import numpy as np
video_path = 'outmin.mp4'
cap = cv2.VideoCapture(video_path)
frame_running_sum = [0] * int(1138*1080)
print(len(frame_running_sum))
no_frames = 0
start_at = 50
end_at = 150
while no_frames < end_at:
ret, frame = cap.read()
if no_frames < start_at:
print(f'skipping {no_frames}')
no_frames += 1
continue
if not ret:
break
gray = cv2.cvtColor(frame, cv2.COLOR_BGR2GRAY)
no_frames += 1
print(no_frames)
flattened = []
for ind, i in enumerate(gray):
for j, bruh in enumerate(i):
flattened.append(bruh)
for i, val in enumerate(frame_running_sum):
frame_running_sum[i] = val + flattened[i]
def group_into_sublists(arr, chunk_size):
for i in range(0, len(arr), chunk_size):
yield arr[i:i + chunk_size]
thing = np.array(list(group_into_sublists([ree / (end_at - start_at) for ree in frame_running_sum], 1138)))
print(thing)
cv2.imshow('bruh', thing.astype(np.uint8))
cv2.waitKey(0)
cv2.destroyAllWindows()
no code review plz
timid swift
code looks fine tho
timid swift
i hope that's it cause i see it as nosebleed
safe monolith
is that the whole video? cv2 is slow
zenith pike
hollow garnet
yeah thats the whole one
safe monolith
ok will verify once my script completes
digital radish
her mouth looks stitched
fresh shore
ok how to unsee nose bleed now
safe monolith
bred, what about trying it against a video with non-blocky frames?
hollow garnet
this is the one with the maxes instead of mins
idk i don't have a video without the blocky frames
safe monolith
i'll make one, one sec
hollow garnet
i feel like i should be looking for the change from dark->light tbh
timid swift
the averages makes it look like there's still some offset issues. Like it's not just distorted, it's smeared and duplicated.
hollow garnet
i still don't quite get how this works with both the minimums and the maximums
azure oyster
are you guys blurring the rows together or something
cunning osprey
the averages looking smeared makes sense if the original image isn't perfectly static, a change in pixel value will translate to horizontal movement here
placid rock
i wish i had libraries that just gave me 0 to 255 of how grey things are
late response but generally you take an (r, g, b) triplet normalized to 0-1, raise each value by 2.4, then calculate the dot product with (0.2126, 0.7152, 0.0722), and (if you want to get a gamma-encoded value again) raise the result by 1/2.4
safe monolith
this should more or less just be the non-blocky frames @hollow garnet . need to run through the rotater first
distant rune
Once the image is clear enough, what do you think we can learn from it besides getting spooked?
safe monolith
Once the image is clear enough, what do you think we can learn from it besides g...
we've just recently learnt that the video may just a static picture of hiyoris. trying to confirm if that is the case
hollow garnet
i feel like i should render out a video like this now
lessgo
safe monolith
oh my god it works for the blocky sections
fresh shore
she looks cool even in flicker section
safe monolith
i think she looks much clearer in the block sections now
hollow garnet
im gonna try a 2x scale thing rq
wind crypt
been hoping there'd be hidden mouth movements or something to give another clue but its looking like its just hiyori
hollow garnet
this is a really good way to warm up after a cold walk home
wind crypt
back to the title for me 
azure oyster
i wonder what we stand to gain by reconstructing the video of hiyori
wraith goblet
What if the video is encoded data? I remember reading about encoded text and data as video data.
fresh shore
deconstruction is fun nonetheless
safe monolith
i wonder what we stand to gain by reconstructing the video of hiyori
the only wrong move is to not do it
azure oyster
it is
hollow garnet
i should make like a histogram of the offsets or something
timid swift
heres whites->blacks
I don't fully understand what it is you're doing, but one thing I noticed is that in the two versions you have, one looks good on the left where the other looks good on the right. Is there a way to combine them?
hollow garnet
I don't fully understand what it is you're doing, but one thing I noticed is tha...
i can try overlaying in photoshop
azure oyster
maybe vedal is having us reconstruct this static image so we can learn the algorithm for doing so, and then he'll have us reconstruct a video with different frames instead of the same frame throughout
timid swift
Fair, but that's gonna be pain for the whole video :p
azure oyster
i mean, maybe the algorithms will be the same
wraith goblet
I still think the decode fir the audio and video may be linked
azure oyster
we've just been talking about the video the whole time, have we not
hollow garnet
this is the mins and the maxes set to overlay
wraith goblet
It was mentioned a bumit further up
azure oyster
oh snap that's clear
pulsar glen
Tbh I want to know why hiyori is eyebleeding
wraith goblet
I'm positive the fact the left and right channels are different is somehow important
azure oyster
wait a minute, is this the first image of hiyori in the ARG without the black bar over her eyes
safe monolith
it might be yeah
azure oyster
that seems significant
maybe there's something with her eyes what makes reconstructing the video worth it
moreso than it already is
timid swift
that's pretty good. I wonder what it means
azure oyster
it seems almost perfect
though i can still see a bit of her eyes to the left of her head
and there's that bar below her neck
safe monolith
heres whites->blacks
bred, if i understand this right, you're checking for whites on the left of blacks?
azure oyster
i barely understand how you guys are doing this 
safe monolith
so one pixel of black followed by one pixel of white
timid swift
@hollow garnet could you post your code? I'd be curious to see what exactly you're doing. I'm a little behind
safe burrow
azure oyster
is it that each row starts with a black pixel or a white pixel and bred just alternated them or something
that seems too simple, though
hollow garnet
@timid swift @safe monolith https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/a7af84a9dccf4dd7af1910e9d106283c
azure oyster
i require explanation
hollow garnet
its finding the largest difference betwewen two pixels in a row
safe monolith
it'll be documented eventually , essentially, we're doing rotations to a cetain pixel per row
cunning osprey
I guess this confirms that pixels are only moved horizontally (as part of the row) and that the video is mostly static (or also has only horizontal movement).
safe monolith
its finding the largest difference betwewen two pixels in a row
thanks got it
hollow garnet
i should try this on the no-glitch video 
azure oyster
at least the fact that we are not documenting every single attempt at this means that the doc will be much easier to read when we do add the final solution
safe burrow
i should try this on the no-glitch video <:catdespair:1087521982817509426>
Yea but i like my glitch gif
hollow garnet
i should try this on the no-glitch video <:catdespair:1087521982817509426>
nvm @safe monolith your video is 720p (breaks my code lole) and also has random blank frames
timid swift
at least the fact that we are not documenting every single attempt at this means...
Yes, but it also means that if we don't hit the goal, someone else will not be able to pick up the pieces
fathom ginkgo
it looks like brightened up hiyori model
safe monolith
nvm <@163238643316555777> your video is 720p (breaks my code lole) and also has ...
awh, lemme fix it
hollow garnet
gl
safe monolith
the source video i have was 720p, rip. gotta redownload and reframe
hollow garnet
pain
pulsar glen
it looks like brightened up hiyori model
Because it is hiyori model, the collar makes it really obvious. Unfortunately, I don't have images of hiyori looking straight
hollow garnet
guys this new version is so much clearer !11!
safe monolith
@hollow garnet would this work?
hollow garnet
I'm eating dinner rn but will try
timid swift
<@195475507834388481> <@163238643316555777> https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/a7af84a...
So in other words, you're taking each line of each frame individually and rotating left, meaning moving the pixels like a congaline leftwards, with spillover going back to the end of that same line. The amount of rotation is calculated by looking at each pixel in the line and its immediate neighbor. The two pixels with the greatest difference in grayscale brightness is identified in an attempt to find a coarse edge. This coarse edge I imagine is supposed to represent the true edge of the image, and the rotation is supposed to rotate the line such that the identified edge is moved to the actual edge of that one line in the image. Is that correct?
On this line, .map(|items| items[1] as i32 - items[0] as i32) what if you took the absolute value? such that max_by_key detects the highest difference rather than just one direction, brightest to darkest, or darkest to brightest difference.
Sorry if that's nonsense, I haven't really coded in rust (:
also take your time eating
hollow garnet
I can try that too
safe monolith
good shout breadth
timid swift
Also another idea. We could try interactively reconstructing one of the images if all we need to do is rotate
safe monolith
do i hear gui work
timid swift
i mean, i could do that but I haven't done much image manipulation and I don't know rust so I can't just steal bred's code
hollow garnet
I tried but egui images don't make any sense
timid swift
classic extra magic tools. They never make sense
placid rock
instead of trying to align each line individually you could align each line relative to an adjacent one by minimizing the sum of absolute differences between vertically aligned pixels
safe monolith
oh in that case you can use shiro's approach of squared error maybe
but i think originally bred wanted to plot a histogram right?
tbh maybe that will give us some insight
hollow garnet
I also need to make an image that shows the errors for each row per frame
arctic glen
Any new news guys?
timid swift
Any new news guys?
timid swift
that seems very close to the photoshopped overlay
also is that specific frame brighter than the rest? It seems very bright
hollow garnet
this is an average of all the frames
arctic glen
depends since when <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BCpJA-2GlmjzrxFIEA2p...
Then nothing new
timid swift
oh
hollow garnet
lemme render that into a video
timid swift
I'm not sure I follow. How are you gonna make a video of an average of all the frames?
safe monolith
the algorithm is applied per frame, and then the video is just a compilation of all frames
bruv
brain not working moment
hollow garnet
yeah sorry if its a little unclear - the single images are an average of all the frames whereas the videos are a compillation of all frames
safe monolith
best of luck guys, i'm gonna do work i've put off for 5 hours now. i'm not very useful but ping me if ya guys need help
hollow garnet
i have homework that im actually gotta do aswell, so ill try and do that error thing and then run off
timid swift
also, it just struck me that this is the first arg material where the eyes haven't been censored. Then again, the image was totally scrambled, so maybe that counts as censor
timid swift
i have homework that im actually gotta do aswell, so ill try and do that error t...
ye do it. ARG can easily wait. If anything you should probably slow down so tutel doesn't have to rush the next step 
hollow garnet
but how else will i shill rust
native maple
we need people to transcribe the notes played we got a really clear hint of G4
placid rock
you mean those?
and ^
most promising lead we have imo but there's 10 notes and we need 8 (including the G4 we already have given)
native maple
that looks like a fft
hollow garnet
i mean its represented in the same way
timid swift
no idea what that is
native maple
song hidden in the static ?
hollow garnet
ok so lemme explain
native maple
the more i look at it the more its a fourier transform
hollow garnet
as you go further right time increases
the y-coordinate is the same as in the video
the brightness represents the amount of shift that was done
timid swift
Ah got it
hollow garnet
this seems to show there's a semi-regular pattern of random increases in error
native maple
what if we keep sharps etc. ? it can still be valid in the key
hollow garnet
yeah its odd
timid swift
or has some some other hard edge
native maple
hollow garnet
(fwiw keep in mind that this hard edge detection is far from perfect)
timid swift
right, but if the image is static then any flaw in the algorithm should be constant over time or line height. Here it's neither
hollow garnet
here's the error when checking for just a lone dark pixel
placid rock
what if we keep sharps etc. ? it can still be valid in the key
problem is that at least one note needs to be a G, and this is the closest thing in there
hollow garnet
that spot seems even more prevalent
timid swift
it seems really wild
native maple
there is no valid G4 in the entire video ?
placid rock
so i thought that that's supposed to be a G4 and shifted everything up a bit as well
hollow garnet
im almost certain that means its following some pattern in that section
placid rock
also kinda validated by the fact that each note starts out a bit higher pitched than it settles at
if you look at the spectrogram
hollow garnet
there's a few "scratches" on the bottom left aswell
timid swift
yes. If we end up solving a frame manually, we should make sure it's one of those
hollow garnet
i should do one of these for the error of the error
native maple
might be that some are shifted and some arent yea
keep the end G4 but then bruteforce the other notes might be the way to go
timid swift
Did the video with the absolute difference work out?
placid rock
keep the end G4 but then bruteforce the other notes might be the way to go
i did try a brute force search over A3 - G7 (iirc) for the rest, decrypting the first two blocks with AES ECB and seeing if they're ascii only
search space is roughly 32 bits
didn't find anything though
placid rock
(but the result might not be ascii)
hollow garnet
its on par with the other videos imo
timid swift
alright, nice!
hollow garnet
maybe a bit more stable?
timid swift
I'll put it in the docs then
hollow garnet
its very stable whilst glitching
timid swift
glitching as in those blocky things a little bit from the start?
hollow garnet
the thing it does at like 50s
timid swift
of course, no worries *dies*
hollow garnet
@timid swift ^
pulsar glen
(but the result might not be ascii)
surely he wont be so cruel suddenly
there's also theory observation that every plaintext (except phone number) had 3 dots in it
hollow garnet
maybes
timid swift
really cool stuff though. I think we're close
wind crypt
wait I feel so dull, I only just understood why rotating the lines by the index where neighbouring pixels differ most makes sense
hollow garnet
can you explain beacuse i have no idea
wind crypt
since their relative order within the line is unchanged, gradients are preserved everywhere except at the point between the first and last pixel where there will be an apparent jump
imagine having a piece of paper with a gradient that you glue into a loop
it'll appear to smoothly change colour except where the black end touches the white end
i.e. where you glue it
timid swift
I thought that was what you were on all along
hollow garnet
ooooh yeah that's why i did it
timid swift
Ookook at least we're on the same page now lmao. Glad I wasn't the only one confused at first
wind crypt
of course this only works when the right side and left side of the image have different colour though
which is why it's not perfect still
but it's the best so far
placid rock
and the equivalent of doing that on the y instead of x axis would be shifting lines to maximize the correlation between e.g. the current line and the line above
since the image should also be smooth vertically
timid swift
it also has some problems with the blocky parts it seems
safe monolith
I think it was likely intentional, since recovering the average frame shows neuro getting brighter as we move to the right
wind crypt
I outlined a luminance test earlier that works if it's the same image every frame
timid swift
random thought: For overlaying the frames of the video into one image, what if for each pixel we took the mode rather than the mean? The most frequently occouring value
safe monolith
random thought: For overlaying the frames of the video into one image, what if f...
If this doesn't give all black or all white I'd be surprised tbh
timid swift
It does rely on it being correct the majority of the time, yes
and I don't think that's the case
hollow garnet
how do i calculate the mode without holding every image in memory
timid swift
hmm, then again, the correct solution is one value, where a wrong rotation can be any value for a given pixel
hollow garnet
ngl im mostly confused as to what that line is at the neck
timid swift
<:thonk:602047082064510986> how do i calculate the mode without holding every im...
I suspect you don't
hollow garnet
shit i forgot to use vangors video without the blocks
safe monolith
<:thonk:602047082064510986> how do i calculate the mode without holding every im...
Go through every frame for each pixel
timid swift
seems like the way yes, or at least only a chunk of pixels at a time. I can't really think of an effective way of doing it. You need to know stuff about all frames to determine a single pixel
proud lark
Guys from description team, couldnt G4 be related to piano music from"hello world" video ?Idk how notes work
pulsar glen
ngl im mostly confused as to what that line is at the neck
it appears to be the collar getting blurred all over the place
safe monolith
Guys from description team, couldnt G4 be related to piano music from"hello worl...
great shout
hollow garnet
i wonder if that makes it brute-forceable
safe monolith
The piano notes? At least 3 of us tried
turbid ingot
I mean I imagine that the video is largely just a static image of hayori, and then the static was done too it with some image manipulation process, thing is, are we actually meant to be trying to reverse the effect? lol.
Can't hurt, but I think it's a little funny if we're just reverse engineering a premier video effect or some shit for no reason lol.
Still, really cool to see it at work and if anything IS hiding in the video it'll be way more clear
hollow garnet
as in you tried them as encryption keys?
timid swift
ngl im mostly confused as to what that line is at the neck
what if it's that same weird chunk we were looking at in the error-correction diagram you made
it's about the same height, no?
safe monolith
as in you tried them as encryption keys?
yep. Somewhere buried up this chat is a script to do it
timid swift
I mean I imagine that the video is largely just a static image of hayori, and th...
metagaming, but it seems like a lot of effort to nondestructively rotate the frames' lines separately just for a cool effect
turbid ingot
Metagaming?
And sure that's fair.
it's way simpler just to layer noise to create static rather than manipulate the image itself... So it does suggest if it's giving results that there's some reason to it
timid swift
metagaming, as in what i'm saying is using out-of-arg information. Tutel is just a guy, not a team. He doesn't have infinite time, especially with all the other stuff going on
safe monolith
as in you tried them as encryption keys?
I didn't do it exhaustively though, e.g. i ignored sharps, and i assumed uppercase charas
Not sure if @placid rock did
placid rock
same
azure oyster
do you guys think mito's status right now, "324", is actually a clue, or am i going insane
timid swift
definitely insane
safe monolith
You're going insane
azure oyster
welp
hollow garnet
heres the one wo blocks
no video yet because im playing tetris and need my internet to work
turbid ingot
Wait so you were able to pull that hiyori image out of the static on the right?
safe monolith
this man is doing arg work while playing tetris and working
wind crypt
do you guys think mito's status right now, "324", is actually a clue, or am i go...
you're so smart I should make my status some random string of letters
azure oyster
you monster
safe monolith
it's gonna be interpreted as some hint for your real birthday shiro
wind crypt
that's what makes it great, I'll ask vedal for an actual hint to put there and nobody will think anything of it
timid swift
heres the one wo blocks
that's with the glitch-blocks cut out, correct?
safe monolith
that's with the glitch-blocks cut out, correct?
more or less. Manually cut out
hollow garnet
yep
timid swift
got it
proud lark
ngl im mostly confused as to what that line is at the neck
i think those lines makes it look weird idk
turbid ingot
It is kinda stretching that part
azure oyster
looking at the image, it's both those two lines and the collar above them
those three lines are all stretched
turbid ingot
Aye
proud lark
yeah her eyes also kinda stretched
turbid ingot
The entier inner collar section is stretched
azure oyster
everything is probably stretched
timid swift
Wait so you were able to pull that hiyori image out of the static on the right?
I wrote a bit about what they've been cooking here,https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dL6lH_qnlXMgpIXyc02Q3qpB78_vWyUgKV_pEo7H_Cw/edit#heading=h.bn0uthqucb5x
I'll write some about the noisy image (error correction diagram)
timid swift
i think those lines makes it look weird idk
That's probably it, yes. The white line vs dark edge contrast there is sharper than the edges of the image.
distant rune
wind crypt
heres the one wo blocks
have you tried applying a filter to our current hiyori?
turbid ingot
I was gonna ask about inverting it, or yeah, running out through any image manipulations.
wind crypt
well a sharpening filter would prob do wonders
my second idea was applying an activation function to the pixels to try and make them stand out more
exaggerate the extremes to mitigate the averaging effect of dragging everything closer to neutral
turbid ingot
Yeah
If there's any mercy there's not one specific frame we have to find out of the whole video lmao.
wind crypt
i know im kinda just shovelling more ideas onto a full plate btw sorry about that
hollow garnet
have you tried applying a filter to our current hiyori?
nope
wind crypt
i do wonder why the top of her head is so hard to see
azure oyster
ongoing lobotomy
wind crypt
tho its not really there even in the clear frames that are given in the original
vedal 
where is her brain
turbid ingot
Lack of contrast?
timid swift
hm, if it's a static image, we roughly know where all the edges should be. We could make a profile for each line and see which rotation best fits the profile for that line
easier said than done, I know
heck, the profile could even be pulled from the averages image
proud lark
bred image and stock image from steam workshop perfectly matches
timid swift
oh damn
azure oyster
bred image and stock image from steam workshop perfectly matches
well, now what
should we continue trying to reconstruct the image
pulsar glen
It makes sense to continue, to see what effects have been applied to it
azure oyster
'kay
pulsar glen
But how lazy of him, to use a stock image, when he has hiyori on toggle at any moment
timid swift
it's a little convoluted, yes
i've tried to explain it in the docs, but words are hard
proud lark
hold up.I might be wrong.Her neck is slightly different.Or image got a little stretched or i cant compare pictures
trail holly
vedal <:ReallyMad:1078800821124354078> where is her brain
what if there's been something that should've been solvable given the information present before the halloween stream but because it took too long the arg is on track for the bad ending now... surely not
proud lark
oh nevermind. Its defenitely same pictures
uncut cargo
soooooo what now
azure oyster
well, we still have the audio, the title, and the description
plus we can still finish reconstructing the image just to know how it was done
timid swift
and who knows if something's hiding in an individual frame
sterile steeple
I wonder if there is even any kind of clue hidden inside final picture, or pictures if the frames are different
Could just be a distraction by the tutel to give himself more time for another clue
spark adder
wow you all have gotten far, I just finished decoding the morse and finding the video before I spoiled myself
timid swift
nice! I didn't even get that far before i started reading what the others did :p
azure oyster
do you think we should double-check the QR codes in the intro
and maybe check what looked to be a QR code on neuro's jacket in the intro
languid flax
Hello how the progress?
azure oyster
timid swift
Hello how the progress?
Pretty good! But not solved yet https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dL6lH_qnlXMgpIXyc02Q3qpB78_vWyUgKV_pEo7H_Cw/edit#heading=h.t6z0uxbzek0m
languid flax
Thanks!
spark adder
I didn't see any mention of the tears on hiyori's face
azure oyster
Eh?
spark adder
timid swift
conjecture, but i think the tears are glitches from the lines being rotated incorrectly
uncut cargo
I don't see any tears either
timid swift
I recall seeing what looked pretty clearly like tears in an earlier attempt
pulsar glen
if there is no bleeding from the eyes, I'll be disappointed. Why even bother putting a hiyori picture with uncensored eyes if it doesn't have something like that
timid swift
but maybe it's just one of the hair tufts being rotated under the eyes
azure oyster
if there is no bleeding from the eyes, I'll be disappointed. Why even bother put...
maybe the video is just filler and the real content is within the title, description, and audio
timid swift
if there is no bleeding from the eyes, I'll be disappointed. Why even bother put...
I know right? Seems pretty wild that the eyes aren't covered!
inb4 we can rotate the eye censor away from all the videos
sterile steeple
Any ideas how we could go about extracting information from the distorted QR code?
uncut cargo
I know right? Seems pretty wild that the eyes aren't covered!
Maybe because it wasn't needed?
timid swift
the video scramble counts as a censor i guess, yes
uncut cargo
Covering of eyes in most cases is to hide identity, the glitch itself is intense enough to hide the image
proud lark
tears probably appears only when image get clearer in original video.Or its just Hiyori blush creates this effect
wind crypt
ok so we're back to square 1 now right
azure oyster
oh jesus that looks freaky
wind crypt
i think that's just hiyori blush under grayscale
uncut cargo
I think same
placid rock
the random letters + numbers at the end of twitch clip urls are 16 characters
one of those ending in G4 could be the key
timid swift
i mean, it's not impossible
uncut cargo
one of those ending in G4 could be the key
The Old man quote? 
azure oyster
safe monolith
Any ideas how we could go about extracting information from the distorted QR cod...
Manual decoding, still need to get to that. Maybe tomorrow
sterile steeple
Good luck, have fun
timid swift
Any ideas how we could go about extracting information from the distorted QR cod...
I can't really think of what to do with the pillow thing. It looks just a bit like a QR code, but we'd definitely need more to parse it as that. If it's something else it might be readable.
spark adder
might this clue have anything else to do with the earlier videos on the _neurosama channel?
azure oyster
THE PHONE NUMBER
pastel turtle
what are the dimensions of the image?
sterile steeple
The only thing that makes me think it's a QR code is the possible alignment pattern, otherwise it could be anything to be honest
timid swift
might this clue have anything else to do with the earlier videos on the _neurosa...
anything's possible until it's ruled out, hard to say
lusty stag
https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1169368645156220938 i left this here 
rain flame
https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1169368645156220938 i left this ...
you beat me somehow
uncut cargo
might this clue have anything else to do with the earlier videos on the _neurosa...
572943 
dapper wraith
btw looking at the docs: starting next year discord will make media links expire
potent cobalt
I'm about to just make a pin board for all of the clues.
Would probably look pretty cool.
cobalt axle
have anyone checked the chess streams? i know nothing about chess but I know that movements and squares have names, a quick google search showed that G4 can be the first movement in a chess match so maybe cheking the streams and see a match that begins with that move and go backwards from there?, again this is coming from someone who knows nothing about chess.
timid swift
btw looking at the docs: starting next year discord will make media links expire
urgh. Guess we'll have to go though all hotlinks
thanks for mentioning it
inland spindle
have anyone checked the chess streams? i know nothing about chess but I know tha...
personally i don't really think it's related to chess cause if that was the cause more fitting would be g4 not G4
but yes chess was also my first thought
zenith pike
progress report?
safe burrow
tawny pasture
oh nevermind. Its defenitely same pictures
Same image, but with blood tears
pastel turtle
title team || || : the hex values of every other character do not follow a single line (mod what i take to be the boundaries)
hollow garnet
tears probably appears only when image get clearer in original video.Or its just...
in regards to this I just want to say breadths ideas of the absolute difference worked really well in this section
timid swift
progress report?
turbid ingot
I mean I already knew it was a stock image...
Did we think it wasn't?
I thought the point wasn't to uncover that image specifically, it was using that as the baseline to know we're doing the right manipulations so that if there's anything else going on, we can find it.
Oh discord didn't update, I was responding to shit from hours ago lmao
timid swift
lmao
turbid ingot
if there is no bleeding from the eyes, I'll be disappointed. Why even bother put...
Maybe because we weren't meant to reverse the static effect on it, and weren't actually meant to see the original raw image anyway? xD
wraith goblet
I was going to try and process the video through some if my anti-ghosting video filters, but my software decided to die on me kadt night. Need to reinstall it again...
uncut cargo
Maybe because we weren't meant to reverse the static effect on it, and weren't a...
for a second I thought there might be a code hidden behind the static, but now it sure looks like wrong direction
timid swift
we'll probably end up fixing the video one way or another just to confirm that it's a dead end.
wraith goblet
There is an ffmpeg command I want try but I'm at work and can't run it
timid swift
don't worry, we're not in a hurry
wraith goblet
It's basically a deblend filters
gritty thorn
the positive of taking the time to do this is that we won't be waiting 3 months for content again
pulsar glen
Maybe because we weren't meant to reverse the static effect on it, and weren't a...
We just knew it was a hiyori image, not a stock image.
I mean, the image itself is visible even without the reversing the effects, the fact that the eyes are uncensored is obvious.
Surely censoring the eyes has a meaning and therefore uncensoring them also has one 
turbid ingot
We just knew it was a hiyori image, not a stock image.
I mean, the image itself...
Hiyori isn't visible at all in the static normally, only in the blocky parts.
hollow garnet
ok i fixed the error so it uses the full range of 0-255
fwiw this is a chart of the rotation values used (though scaled to fit in a u8)
(in response to this)
pulsar glen
Hiyori isn't visible at all in the static normally, only in the blocky parts.
It's the same image so it can't be that we aren't meant to see it
hollow garnet
this is a list of lists, with the top level list being the frames and the innner lists being the offsets for each line, starting at the top
i just printed out the list i was using for storing the errors
hollow garnet
for history's sake here's the accompanying images for this data
trim onyx
ok i fixed the error so it uses the full range of 0-255
shot in the dark
I had very similar looking artifacts pictures when decoding APT signals from NOAA satellites
mb those are synchronisation pulses
idk good luck guys 🫡
hollow garnet
oh oops the second one is using the video with the bands edited out
i really forgot i had it setup to do that
fuck lemme send you the full video before i head off to bed
safe burrow
crystal urchin
for history's sake here's the accompanying images for this data
Hmm her eyes looks like hiyori got possessed
hollow garnet
im still a bit confused because in the original there's clearly a pattern to the noise
turbid ingot
For the average of all frames, are we removing the totally black start frames?
Might help to overall brighten the image with less grey
/help with overall clarity and contrast?
hollow garnet
i should do an average of just the glitches actually
turbid ingot
that too lol
hollow garnet
because something here is different
turbid ingot
I might just be schizo, but I do at one point swear that the glitch eyes at some point have more detail in them, when usually it's a very flat grey color.
safe burrow
This is my schizo avatar. 
azure oyster
is that ai art
tulip minnow
Looks like it
azure oyster
even if i can't find any weirdness in ai art, just the knowledge that it's ai art is enough to unnerve me
hollow garnet
nini
safe burrow
I won't go to bed until two hours later .
azure oyster
has neuro ever acknowledged that vedal is a turtle in the past
asking because she refers to him as a turtle here
https://youtu.be/OMMgwIipdig?si=SbPF4G8oSWbxNBVj&t=703
makes me wonder whether some of these stories were prewritten and somehow relate to the arg
it makes me think of candy cadet
tulip minnow
I remember she has called Vedal a tutel before
hollow garnet
wait i cooked (average of next 5 frames)
azure oyster
was it unprompted
hollow garnet
wait i cooked (average of next 5 frames)
10 frames (generated by ffmpeg -i .\outharsh_abs.mp4 -vf tmix=frames=10:weights="1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1" test-l.mp4)
hopefully this is useful to someone
im actually going to bed now
hollow garnet
it helps a lot in the glitches
azure oyster
pastel turtle
any progress from the title team? ||if it even exists ||
distant girder
any progress from the title team? ||if it even exists <:catdespair:1087521982817...
from what i saw there are a couple of people trying to figure out if the title means anything but iirc nothing has been found yet
pastel turtle
the pattern exhibited by the title's hex values might be from a linear congruential generator (PRNG)
either the recurrence relation is simple and i'm looking at the data wrong or this is all just a useless artifact from a different cipher
gif below is for reference, unrelated to ARG
safe monolith
How would I verify this?
tulip minnow
any progress from the title team? ||if it even exists <:catdespair:1087521982817...
the title has a lot of unknow letter which can be revealed by changing the font in words(idk why) , i also found out that the words in the title can be changed (permanently) by adding spaces in front of it , it perhaps can show the key or something , there isn't much progress after that
safe monolith
other than title, audio & the qr skirt (?), we also have the phone number and hello world
just kinda schizo extrapolating based on the unknowns we have, this video could be a phone conversation
Basically what I'm trying to say: the key could be a message we should have sent to the number when the arg started (edit: didn't lead anywhere )
safe monolith
gonna be real guys, from a generous interpretation I recovered 2 bytes. assuming the best case scenario where the mask is favourable, i don't even get ascii
i don't actually know if the thing under the star is a QR code. if the ribbon on skirt thing is actually a QR code, it's the bottom right half, and we've already lost 4 columns to the right (that's where length is encoded), so I can't even determine how long the code will be
but if i'm assuming the star is actually a QR code, and it's 25x25, I believe most of the data section is visible
i just can't see the metadata
also ribbon folds make it hard to see if a pixel is supposed to be where it is
distant girder
i feel like (or rather hope for the sanity of you guys) they wouldn't make it that hard to obtain a qr code
safe monolith
if anyone with better eyesight than me wants to give it a go, here's what I've got. no clue if it's right
pastel turtle
How would I verify this?
that the pattern exists or that it's indeed from an LCG? (I'm still working on the latter)
tawny pasture
gonna be real guys, from a generous interpretation I recovered 2 bytes. assuming...
Oh god, it fits. Of course it fits.
Didn’t we think we had other parts of a QR code that was incomplete?
timid swift
10 frames (generated by `ffmpeg -i .\outharsh_abs.mp4 -vf tmix=frames=10:weights...
Are these averages of the next x frames on the original or the rotated video?
tulip minnow
gonna be real guys, from a generous interpretation I recovered 2 bytes. assuming...
if it fits then there's more parts that fits
i'm too blind to find things tho
anyway have some creepy neuros
crystal urchin
if anyone with better eyesight than me wants to give it a go, here's what I've g...
I could be schizo but is this another piece
tulip minnow
i think that's just the pillow that glitched pretty far
crystal urchin
True
native maple
tried looking at chess match history of neuro with g4 move but so far no luck decrypting, also trying a lot of musical notes combination ending in G4 but there is like a trillion possibilities
maybe someone with perfect hearing will find it listening once 
distant rune
anyway have some creepy neuros<:neurOMEGALUL:1097297318119743638>
The second picture reminds me of Mob Psycho.
crystal urchin
Are those tears on her eyes or blood
tulip minnow
blood i assume
she might be the lost sister
i'm thinking the take-over style in the intro for her
what it adds to the lore
zealous sigil
arg dudes finally got some food
tulip minnow
so the lost sister is confirmed dead now
the ghost might be her?
i think the time does match i'll have to check
yeah it matches
crystal urchin
You know, what if ved accidentally leaked arg neuro voice remember this part https://youtu.be/hAVCDmiGnFk?si=G-Xj2Ju2R2ZK2kFb&t=622
tulip minnow
it does sounds like a deeper voiced study girl
uncut cargo
so the lost sister is confirmed dead now
The frickin question still is how does it connect to hiyori and nwero
And too
tulip minnow
The frickin question still is how does it connect to hiyori and nwero
the videos are hiyori
and for neuro and evil
they might not be in the arg
uncut cargo
But hiyori can influence neuro or atleast it seems that way
tulip minnow
it now seems like neuro is a replacement for hiyori
uncut cargo
I have some odd feeling hiyori might in fact be growing in power
tulip minnow
yeah hiyori can take over the stream
uncut cargo
First QR codes, then broken monitor and now whole starting soon scene
tulip minnow
the leaked voice might be an alternate hiyori in making
safe burrow
tulip minnow
vedal definitely leaked something important
crystal urchin
vedal definitely leaked something important<:evilWheeze:1131316260353867887>
That reminds me of this clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss1swW98d2g
uncut cargo
We'll see
zealous sigil
If we follow the theory that Hiyori is gaining more and more power, then at some point she will be able to take over the stream for a short time. a few seconds or minutes
hollow garnet
Are these averages of the next x frames on the original or the rotated video?
rotated
uncut cargo
If we follow the theory that Hiyori is gaining more and more power, then at some...
Considering hiyori has been working from behind the scenes thus far, we could assume she will in fact actually appear during the stream down the line
tulip minnow
Considering hiyori has been working from behind the scenes thus far, we could as...
maybe two months later
the pattern is clear now
uncut cargo
maybe two months later<:neurOMEGALUL:1097297318119743638>
And for like 2 seconds
tulip minnow
new clue every two months
crystal urchin
What if the next clue is on christmas 👀
gritty thorn
You know, what if ved accidentally leaked arg neuro voice remember this part <:n...
That's Evil unpitched
uncut cargo
Im guessing evil debut will bring something big to the table, but first we shall see what is hidden in the newest video
tulip minnow
That's Evil unpitched
then the clue ends here
gritty thorn
I decided to fiddle with the pitch to see if i got something similar to the singing voice in study, but it turned out to be just Evil
crystal urchin
I decided to fiddle with the pitch to see if i got something similar to the sing...
So that means evil voice could be on azure too but which voice could it be
timid swift
friendly reminder to hydrate, take meds, and remember what is arg and what is just regular ol' neuro stream material
digital radish
REMEMBER TO WASTE ALL YOUR TIME IN NEURO!!!! GIVE EVERYTHING TO HER!!! COMPLETE THE ARG!!!
timid swift
neuro time is never wasted
safe monolith
As a future underling of the AI overlords, I agree
trail holly
i don't actually know if the thing under the star is a QR code. if the ribbon on...
I don't know anything about qr codes but would there even be enough possible material to put one together? How would you begin figuring out how this thing is splintered? Say you did, can parts be repeated to form a code?
Were the black spaces in the intro already checked for things hidden? You guys didn't seem to find anything in the intro audio. Makes me feel like the meat here was just the morse code and the rest of the intro is only part of the stream experience/aesthetic.
safe monolith
I don't know anything about qr codes but would there even be enough possible mat...
The locator square is my biggest hint. That smaller loc square usually implies there isn't one big locator square nearby. So typically, that must be at the bottom right (for 25x25)
The way QR codes are encoded, you have both data and error. In theory, you will only need all of the data bits (about half the qr code) to decipher a qr code
Just as a fyi, some time back, me and skul showed that it's possible to hide data in the error, data and padding parts of a QR code. It probably doesn't apply here cuz we just don't have enough parts of a qr
The lines you've drawn probably won't work, but maybe I'm just not reading it right
trail holly
pretty sure there's more than what I bothered to line too. I see a couple but its difficult to tell where they end and what is actually separate and not just schizo
unrelated but the pulsing irises seems to me like the blinking animation without the blinking part. I imagine you guys already ruled it out as some kind of code
trail holly
I'll try but first I'm gonna eat. I can only check for morse though, I say having never actively used it. surely that goes well
hollow garnet
god that qr pillow is so confusing
hollow garnet
one thing i will mention is this effect seems to be the same kinda gist as in the video
...but then again it also does this (i hope i don't have to figure out how to move the chunks back in the video)
distant girder
advanced tetris 
tulip minnow
it's like the effect in public static void
hollow garnet
its like the effect in the new video at points too
tulip minnow
probably don't need to move the chunks back
hollow garnet
also worth pointing out that the colours on the thing might be inverted so its a bit harder to tell where it lines up with the qr
timid swift
one thing i will mention is this effect seems to be the same kinda gist as in th...
good find. It could essencially have been a hint if we were stuck before even rotating
normal QR code today
lusty stag
The cat is no more on the screen?
timid swift
it was switched for tutel shortly after the debut i think it was
hollow garnet
annoyingly there doesn't seem to be more pillow detail behind neuro
lusty stag
it was switched for tutel shortly after the debut i think it was
then why use that for the arg and not the normal one?
timid swift
oh actually, that's interesting. It only noticed that does indeed feature the cat from the start now that you mention it
lusty stag
oh actually, that's interesting. It only noticed that does indeed feature the ca...
maybe the cat has something to do with the arg? sorry if i'm inventing things
hollow garnet
i have the damn "im thinkin' neuro" song stuck in my head now
timid swift
maybe the cat has something to do with the arg? sorry if i'm inventing things
perhaps. Anything's a possibility. Including that tutel commissioned the glitch screen before the cat was switched out
lusty stag
welp i'm outta here and return to livestream
hollow garnet
i still dunno if this section changes or not beacuse it feels different but also its just black and white
ok im almost certain that there's some deeper meaing to the large blocks that are out of place in relatoin to the video on the channel
safe monolith
any reasoning?
hollow garnet
one thing i will mention is this effect seems to be the same kinda gist as in th...
because the video starts with this
and it was a pretty good first step at solving the video
idk i feel like its related in the sense that it'd be a later step or something
timid swift
could you explain it more deeply? I'm dense
hollow garnet
im dense too dw
timid swift
like I don't see what you're seeing
hollow garnet
one thing i will mention is this effect seems to be the same kinda gist as in th...
this is the pixel rotation effect that we did on the video
hollow garnet
...but then again it also does this (i hope i don't have to figure out how to mo...
i'm thinking we're gonna have to do something like this with moving sections or something?
safe monolith
i see
timid swift
like piece them together like a puzzle?
safe monolith
does the video lengths matter
timid swift
maybe. You did good work with the video tho, so maybe not. Or maybe you exhausted your sanity on that and now all hope is lost
safe monolith
Imagine the glitches in the vod corresponded with the glitches on the video
Time for time
also i wonder if subtracting the audio with the songs played in the vod will result in anything
timid swift
only one way to find out
hollow garnet
don't quote me on this but I feel like there's a little bit of stutter right as the time hits 7m
daring acorn
Idk if the phone number found in the JS Script in study is still being worked on. but noticed that it has been switched from VOIP to Wireless if that can give any clues 
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/594715784882683905/1169702320687304806/Skjermbilde_2023-11-02_191534.png?ex=65565d2d&is=6543e82d&hm=c6cfe57925c83767cf1ed927bce41c14feeb3370879b8191f0991e07b74922d8&
safe monolith
what does wireless mean
digital radish
Idk if the phone number found in the JS Script in study is still being worked on...
we will likely use the phone number in an upcoming puzzle or smt
timid swift
Idk if the phone number found in the JS Script in study is still being worked on...
great find. I don't believe this has been discussed before. And no, we don't know what to do with the phone number
uncut cargo
I'll try to analyse the glitched starting soon in depth, see if songs may have any context to the arg and if glitch timings may have additional meaning
timid swift
If we call the phone number now, will we still get the same answering machine?
digital radish
considering there was a change, we should try
hollow garnet
ok I sent some mms for the hell of it
wraith goblet
Last night I dropped the title into a unicode parser and all the characters are valid unicode
digital radish
UNICORN!
digital radish
there was no awnsering machine
dapper wraith
Last night I dropped the title into a unicode parser and all the characters are ...
there's a bunch of symbols that aren't valid unicode points
timber whale
hi guys
safe monolith
ok found it in the docs, still the same
timber whale
timid swift
how did the answering machine go again, lemme check
wraith goblet
there's a bunch of symbols that aren't valid unicode points
I tested them and they all worked for me.
timid swift
damn i was too slow
safe monolith
https://www.google.com/url?q=https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/111208218323...
yup exactly the same
dapper wraith
I tested them and they all worked for me.
maybe it just ignored invalid ones? e.g. I can't find U+0381, U+378 or U+379 in the unicode lists
digital radish
381 is invalid
wraith goblet
Huh
supple perch
hows the progress on the new video
digital radish
wait can we try taking the invalids and putting them in the key?
wraith goblet
Maybe
That's what I dif
I do know a few of them are characters for legacy characters from dead languages and alphabets
dapper wraith
invalid ones are \u0381 \u0382 \u0381 \u0378 \u038b \u0382 \u0381 \u0378 \u0379 \u0378 \u0383 \u035e (in that order)
timid swift
hows the progress on the new video
hollow garnet
does the video lengths matter
I put the number of frames into Google and got https://www.cambridgeinternational.org/programmes-and-qualifications/cambridge-o-level-economics-2281/ a link to o-levels lol
clearly a clue
timid swift
wait can we try taking the invalids and putting them in the key?
could also try the opposite. Only using the valid ones
wraith goblet
It may have just ignored them then.... Damn thought I was onto something
hollow garnet
I put the number of frames into Google and got <https://www.cambridgeinternation...
alternatively it is a cluster of stars, though still probably unrelated
digital radish
could also try the opposite. Only using the valid ones
would be too many
timid swift
ah, right, we know the length
wraith goblet
O381 is assigned to the Greek character block though. according to Google at least
dapper wraith
yeah, but according to wikipedia there is no 0381
wraith goblet
it is a valid unicode value, it just doesn't have a valid characte
digital radish
what about all invalid characters
wraith goblet
Basically a placeholder
dapper wraith
sure with valid I meant existing characters
wraith goblet
Some of the unicide characters in the title aren't valid unicode characters, but have valid placeholder values
Has anyone tried converting them to binary or hexadecimal?
native maple
unicode breakdown is on the docs
dapper wraith
invalid ones are \u0381 \u0382 \u0381 \u0378 \u038b \u0382 \u0381 \u0378 \u0379 ...
I made a mistake earlier: \u35e is valid. the only invalid ones are placeholders in the "Greek and Copic" code table
timid swift
thanks youtube, like I need to be reminded that it's time for crazy
hollow garnet
whenever i listen to music on youtube study finds its way in
timid swift
hhaha same
uncut cargo
thanks youtube, like I need to be reminded that it's time for crazy
welcome to the club buddy
timid swift
there's a club?
uncut cargo
All who watched those videos too often get them eventually in recommended
such is youtube
timid swift
weird i didn't get the others recommended on the frontpage then
safe monolith
lofi always autorecommends study for me
timid swift
i get it for metal albums too
hollow garnet
i get it anywhere with music
timid swift
woah, even the radio?
hollow garnet
i meant on youtube smh
uncut cargo
plays a song to study to
looks inside
ARG
vast frost
omg it's back
timid swift
it's back
safe monolith
shu! 
vast frost
huh those sounds from the video give me portal vibes
have you guys been going crazy till now ?
hollow garnet
my brother thought it was buddy holly
safe monolith
have you guys been going crazy till now ? <:NeuroClueless:1072901352902103100>
we're the sanest neurocord channel
uncut cargo
unironically more sane than #neurotic-neurons
Anyway I was going through video comments again from curiosity and this made me giggle a little
hollow garnet
the error image histogram is pretty neat
i should probably do this with the raw numbers to weed out weirdness but oh well
timid swift
what does this show?
hollow garnet
number of pixels with a given brightness
where brightness is the amount of offset needed
timid swift
i wonder what the grouping insinuates
hollow garnet
either itss rounding from my code or its a common number of shift
timid swift
maybe theyre the correct ones or the errors
hollow garnet
a little bit ago i posted a json file of all the shifts if anyone knows how to generate a histogram in pandas or something
timid swift
would be fun to see what happened if we considdered only used the rotations that are frequent
hollow garnet
or maybe quantized it
timid swift
ye maybe
hollow garnet
@timid swift here's the file, idk if you have any ideas on how to make a histogram but might be worth a try
timid swift
I thought you already did?
and I'd probably just transform it a bit and put it in excel
hollow garnet
that's just the photoshop histogram
timid swift
ah, right
cunning osprey
If you're looking into quantizing the offsets: #1112082183235047506 message
This seems to stay constant throughout the entire video
dapper wraith
I think my histogram calculation isn't working out
rocky barn
did someone try sending save me... to the phone number again since the video has been released?
timid swift
not afaik, unless that's what bred sent earlier
hollow garnet
just did it now
dapper wraith
hollow garnet
hm
safe burrow
safe monolith
sorry, am abit behind. What's xyz in this case?
dapper wraith
I was trying to make a histogram over the errors posted by bred. x are the bins, y are the frames and z are the values of the histogram.
safe monolith
Ah I see, thanks 
hollow garnet
oops
ok the lines are really small but here's a histogram of all frames' shifts
if you zoom in a lot you can see the smaller lines
daring acorn
https://clips.twitch.tv/CleverAdorableWerewolfPraiseIt-UU4_fj7c5Swmlrmj
Most likley nothing and just me being schizo. But still something out of the ordinary
distant girder
subs are quite buggy today they dont always represent what neuro says
daring acorn
Ahh, kinda makes sense since they are playing such a resource heavy game
hollow garnet
the error image histogram is pretty neat
@timid swift i made now better version of this
i realize that might be a bit incomprehensible without context, the x axis the the amount of shift and the height is the number of times that exact shift was used
safe burrow
By the way, you guys made me a nickname
safe burrow
apparently a 24x24in 1200dpi image was too far
hollow garnet
if someone with less of an ability to crash python could do this that'd be neat
i just flattened the json list and passed it to seaborn's histogram function and attempted log scales
but annoyingly they didn't want to work so i only have this
dapper wraith
like this?
hollow garnet
yeah that's perfect
just makes it so much easier to see the smaller values
there's certainly a pattern
hollow garnet
Pixels often abruptly change their value when their x-position is at a factor of...
might be worth mentioning this now we have a histogram to back it up
dapper wraith
here's also a proper png export
hollow garnet
I wonder if that malbodge is actually broken. if it is it might be important to try and figure out if there's any other data
hm
rocky barn
Great job!
tulip minnow
Any one who knows how to write Malbodge here
proud lark
Any one who knows how to write Malbodge here <:NeuroClueless:1072901352902103100...
all smart people are sleeping already
hollow garnet
I really wonder why that loops forever
without knowing malbolge it could be anything
tulip minnow
The timezone is so fun
hollow garnet
though iirc malbolge can read from stdin
uneven moth
we have to debug the malboge
uncut cargo
I wanted to try to understand malbolge one day, few scrolls and I still have nightmares
rocky barn
How did you get the answer to shift it for 784?
hollow garnet
https://lutter.cc/malbolge/debugger.html surely this will solve our problems
it might be more comprehensible as normalized malbolge
oji*/i*/o<ooiip*vj/**o*ovo/joij/jop<<</ov/poopop<opop<**ooop<<o*opopp<o**ooopp<popppoop<ooopp<*oo
I think this is correctly normalized?
digital radish
oop
potent cobalt
https://lutter.cc/malbolge/debugger.html <:NeuroClueless:1072901352902103100> su...
Seems to get into an invalid state in one of the registers, but I don't know enough about Malbolge to debug further right now.
Looks like it gets to an invalid instruction.