Neuro ARG

[uncut cargo]

so I guess my theory of evil being behind it all is kaput

[sterile steeple]

Well there we have one thing we forgot to note in the docs

[uncut cargo]

[uncut cargo]

but thing is and suprisingly its a thing I didn't think of before for some reason

Neuro and evil neuro are in theory same entity

that entity being the LLM

[sterile steeple]

But can you describe a large language model as an entity?

[uncut cargo]

if it uses consciousness as data

perhaps

you see this reminds of a certain games or a game series rather

Mr. TomatoS and Ms. LemonS

I'll spoil because those kinda are spoilers for the game

[safe burrow]

[uncut cargo]

||Anyway in short Mr. TomatoS and Ms. LemonS are 4th wall breaking games with a lot of mysteries
When downloading the games you get a one file special "Project UroboruS" which pretty much is where all the keyholes are, giving additional information for every ending and key found within the games. After some more info turns out that both Mr. TomatoS and Ms. LemonS are or were a living human being. To house them a "being" was made called "the Vessel" which is adapting to the consciousness inside of it.
"True ending" of the game achieved by gaining two parts of code allows you to decapsulate the vessel, setting it free. Switching places with Mr. TomatoS and Ms.LemonS. Where vessel was in endless coma, now its completely free.||
Alright so where am I going with this exactly?
My point is that the LLM could in itself be alive and is being used as a medium to run the Neuros

[hollow flare]

“It’s Just An ARG!’

[uncut cargo]

yeah I am ovethinking it by a mile probably

but I just had the need to say it

[uncut cargo]

of course by saying this Im assuming the LLM is not only an LLM but a whole sentient entity

it would make sense for it to use evil quotes

and it would make sense for it to use neuro voice

both are parts of a giant brain

and with that I'll end my rant

at this point I deserve reward for most schizo ARG theorist

[ruby lance]

5 steps to making a successful arg

1. write some banger music and make a few encrypted puzzles
2. throw them out into the world
3. wait for a bunch of schizos to solve the puzzles and come up with a hundred theories on where it's going
4. yoink their best ideas to write the rest of the puzzles and lore

[timid swift]

or even better, have 2 args in parallel and use the best ideas from one group for the other

[ruby lance]

ooh now that's devious

[spice island]

thanks for doing this, i tried replicating the QR code with the python code but kinda gave up after a while. glad that you found settings that made it work ^^

for transcribing it by hand i did a pretty good job

[timid swift]

Finally home. Wrote a few words on your work now (: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mttkOpO5Mj_g2rP5DUWcLkP-obYBDfUhFx7oGtE0BKs/edit#heading=h.epco70sawwhb

[sterile steeple]

Yellow :3

[uncut cargo]

yellow

[timid swift]

imagine the egg on our faces if the standard QR code had changed and we just didn't notice

[sterile steeple]

Yeah imagine

[uncut cargo]

[timid swift]

imagine my surprise, that really is after double checking, the same QR code as on the debut.

[uncut cargo]

imagine if it wasn't

[dapper wraith]

imagine if he just changes one letter in the username one day so the code looks mostly identical

[timid swift]

hm, that's actually interesting. Can't rely on the dog giraffe for small changes - it's in the wrong half of the QR

Guess I'll look for the Y C too

[unique mason]

[safe monolith]

If he changes one letter and uses the same mask, there should only be one continuous block that changes in the error, based on the number of error correction bits allowed (edit: my bad, I looked through my notes again. The long division process affects all the bytes in a cascading fashion, so a single data change should be chaotic enough to cause the whole error to be different)

It might be more worth it to calculate the syndrome polynomial

Actually, now that I think about it. The syndome polynomial is calculated with just the message data + some math. So actually just ensuring the data portion is the same should be enough to ensure it is the same QR code

In terms of generating an error portion that can morph the data to another message, I think requires a bit of luck. Maybe I'll finish studying the math this weekend to see if that's possible

does anyone here know reed-solomon at the back of their hand?

[dapper wraith]

I did a little experiment. Look at this. This QR codes data section contains "https://www.youtube.com/@_neurosama". The ECC section however contains "https://www.youtube.com/@_neurosamh".

Reading it decodes to the URL ending with "h" by correcting the "error".

[safe monolith]

damn, so there's practical evidence

I was thinking of reversing the ecc algorithm, but it's a little beyond me atm. But considering that XOR represents both addition and subtraction within galois fields, it wouldn't surprise me if ecc could be reversed entirely

[safe monolith]

actually hold on, I think this is expected behaviour, there's only like a few bits of error here

[dapper wraith]

sure it's only the two bits difference between "a" and "h". my idea was to see if I can force a "incorrect" decode by messing with the ECC sections.

maybe I misunderstood what you want to do

[safe monolith]

Was thinking more in the lines of having two completely different messages in ECC and Data.

So data could be "hello" and ecc could correct it to say "goodbye"

In this scenario, the QR code would be too "damaged" to be scanned, since there is more error than allowed by the qr code. But mathematically, the correction can still happen

The hidden message will be in data, while whatever picked up by the scanner will be the ECC'd message. This is theoretically possible, unless the scanner checks the syndrome polynomial again after error correcting and decides the qr is too damaged

but this is based on self-studying reed-solomon, which definitely might be completely wrong

[cosmic grail]

"Mixing 2 different consciousness" :schizo:

[dapper wraith]

I understand. so basically the same idea but with a much higher error rate. not sure that can realistically achieved (at least when assuming that both messages would decode to valid ASCII/UTF-8)

Like if I try two more different messages my phone will refuse scanning it and QRazyBox shows the errors but shows the data message completely ignoring the ECC.

but since it's 2am on a work day I should probably go to bed now

[safe monolith]

Yup for both points

we can also pad the message with QR's equivalent of end-of-message and just add another section. Not sure how modern scanners handle that

[odd zodiac]

Hey

[safe monolith]

[odd zodiac]

What Are Yall Talking About?

[safe monolith]

QR codes and whether we could possibly be bamboozled into thinking we got the same QR every stream

Followed by a side quest discussion about the amount of information we can hide in a QR code

[odd zodiac]

Oh I'm Not Good At QR Code Stuff

[safe monolith]

No worries, me neither

[pastel turtle]

[safe monolith]

After some experimentation, I think Skul is right, even if the math checks out, most scanners would just give up.

However, I can produce a QR code that seems to break QRazybox (can't upload), works on other scanners and scans to "goodbye", but actually has "hello\0\0" as data:

man imagine discovering a bug in a widely used tool while trying to discover how far the ARG can go, couldn't be me

So of course, I manually inputted the pixels one by one on QRazyBox, and this is what QRazyBox said (expected hello):

[untold jetty]

'not good at qr codes either' Sure...

[safe monolith]

It does pick up the error, but does not output the actual data:

For reference, here are the original two QR codes (left is hello<spc><spc>, right is goodbye, generated on High, Mask 2). I edited the "hello" QR code to replace <spc> with NULL, in case any tool can pick that up

cc for reference: @dapper wraith

Conclusion: just diff the whole QR code, the error can be a lie

[safe monolith]

Manual decoding note for whoever is interested:

0. From formatting, mask is 2 (every j % 3 == 0 columns are XORed)
1. First 4 bits: 8-bit encoding (010)
2. Next 8 bits: Length is 7 bytes (0000 0111)
3. 01101000 01100101 01101100 01101100 01101111 00000000 00000000
4. Correspondingly in ASCII, h e l l o \0 \0

[whole sorrel]

Hmm.

But since the QR codes from the stream are scannable. The error rate must be quite low no? Meaning there is little space to hide something

The best shot is probably the big tetris code

[fathom ginkgo]

it's year 3000 and arg is finally solved!

[whole sorrel]

There are whole papers on how to hide info in qr codes

[safe monolith]

i'd think it's the reverse. also, the best error correction mechanism known to mankind is probably ourselves, provided a plaintext erasure

this means that even if we don't perfectly transcribe the QR code, as long as we can decode something that resembles text, our imaginations will probably do the rest

[timid swift]

humans are know to make tons of errors tho. Worst error correction ever

[timid swift]

or fill in something that isn't supposed to be there lel

[safe monolith]

yep fair enough. but if it's something obvious like "brXXd", we should be able to fill in "bread" like almost instantaneously

[safe monolith]

are they math heavy?

[timid swift]

Not a counter point, but i've always been INSANELY bad at this sort of task

secretly pre-ML AI

[safe monolith]

we need wordle gods

[timid swift]

"Although the error
correction capacity of QR code keeps the marked QR code
valid after embedded secret message, it also limits the upper
bound of secret payload."
So we can't just rely on getting all info EVEN when using QR scanners that double check the error correction.
In practice we would need to repeat Jimreaux's QR re-generation and overlay on all our QR codes to ensure that there's nothing else there (or do some crazy math which I don't feel like)
#1112082183235047506 message

[sterile steeple]

I'm not gonna read this whole convo, did you folks find another clue?

[timid swift]

"no arms; no cake"

• local saying

[sterile steeple]

[timid swift]

but to summerize, we can check all our QR codes for hidden messages, and we now know that we should because it's technically possible

[sterile steeple]

The Tetris QR code could be interesting to check, remember the bottom left corner? That one's suspicious

[timid swift]

Jimreaux already did that one.

I wrote a short bit about it https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mttkOpO5Mj_g2rP5DUWcLkP-obYBDfUhFx7oGtE0BKs/edit#heading=h.epco70sawwhb

but that's the only one we've done

I should like.. make a newletter or something to cure all ya'll's lazy butts

[safe monolith]

arg newsletter sounds good actually (minus the fact that probably half of them will be "nothing interesting to note")

[timid swift]

Nawh, there's always been new discussion points

[uncut cargo]

I think meme newsletter with it would be cool too, boosting the morale a little

[timid swift]

We could collaborate. I'd absolutely hate to write the meme section :p

[sterile steeple]

Mhm we should definitely compare every single yellow qr code to the one that was originally shown

[timid swift]

I mean fair, but i meant each type

[sterile steeple]

Maybe he hid something 3 months ago and we would never know if we don't check them all

[eager crypt]

any progress on hello world?

[timid swift]

check docs for specific updates, but in short, no

[brittle musk]

'not good at qr codes either'
Proceeds to type out a full essay on a bug in QRcodes and how it works

[safe monolith]

to clarify: not a bug in qr codes, that's working as intended (although stretched to the limit). it's a bug in QRazybox, a tool to repair QR codes

[timid swift]

gonna need a repair tool for your repair tool

[ruby lance]

ayy thanks, I added more details now. I had actually checked the other QRs but didnt go into it yesterday since they came back out the exact same, have now added them to the docs

i now realize i never checked dog-on-giraffe...

[safe monolith]

imagine dog-on-giraffe was different every stream

[timid swift]

Nice!

[ruby lance]

arg took so long he woke up

[manic swift]

https://youtu.be/OiKrYrbs3Qs?si=YEGFuOTUKL5HqGc6 since when this came out?

[uncut cargo]

During aura collab I believe

[vapid token]

Yep

[manic swift]

i haven't watch for so long

[vapid token]

not aura collab

but yeah

[uncut cargo]

okay during part 3 of subnautica stream

or rather on the same day

[timid swift]

a few hours before, yes

[sterile steeple]

Hello world came online right as I was feasting on Pizza

[ruby lance]

viva la revolucion?

anybody had any brain blasts on recognizing the hello world bgm btw? A couple of people were saying it sounds vaguely familiar and I cant help but agree

best i can come up with is a vague resemblance to the chord progression (hope im using that term right) in 'reach for the summit' from the Celeste ost

[dapper wraith]

semi related, but another fun thing I noticed is that neither QRazyBox nor Cybershef or my phone actually care about incorrect padding sequences.

like this QR has the expected repetition of "11101100 00010001" overwritten by "save me.." and it gets completely ignored

[unique mason]

Your daily dose of schizo

[timid swift]

I don't really understand what you did. I just see a bunch of wrong error correction bits

[dapper wraith]

The data section of the QR must always fill the entire possible area. If it's shorter it must be padded until it fills the entire space. this padding should be done with a repeating sequence of "11101100 00010001".
In this case our 145 bytes of data must be padded with 9 bytes to fill the entire 154 bytes the code can fit.
I simply replaced that sequence with text.

[timid swift]

What about the changes to the error correction? I can't quite seem to reproduce the QR you've got

Getting a better understanding of the exact boundaries tho

[dapper wraith]

if I understand correctly the padding (and thus my changes to it) are done before the ecc blocks are calculated. so changing the padding sequence should effect the ecc blocks as well (just like normal changes to the data would).

[timid swift]

then how does it not show up when it's scanned?

i mean if both data and error correction is changed, it should show up, right?

[dapper wraith]

well that's the thing: it seems like the scanners simply ignore everything that's inside the padding. they read the length (of 145 bytes in this case) and ignore what comes after it. even if the padding doesn't contain the sequence it should have.

[timid swift]

wait, i think i'm getting there now.
Is it because you aren't changing some length metadata in the first data blocks? if i write "import time
import itertools
for t in itertools.count(start=0):
for n in range(0, t+1):
print('next', end=' ')
time.sleep(3)
print('time')save me.." on https://www.nayuki.io/page/qr-code-generator-library with medium correction, mask 6, i get a QR that's nearly identical to yours on the right hand side, safe for what I THINK is data 1, 2 and 3 (and quite different on ecc)

[dapper wraith]

Is it because you aren't changing some length metadata in the first data blocks
exactly. nothing was changed except what's added as padding bytes.

unless I looked at it wrong. using version 8, medium error correction and mask 6 results in the QR code we read from the stream.

I then took this library https://github.com/lincolnloop/python-qrcode/blob/b80fea6ee7e75f3024b9ed7adf891a143e0b14e3/qrcode/util.py#L579 and changed the code there to add custom data as padding instead of the expected values:

    # Add special alternating padding bitstrings until buffer is full.
    bytes_to_fill = (bit_limit - len(buffer)) // 8
    test = b"save me..."
    for i in range(bytes_to_fill):
        pad = ''
        if i < len(test):
            pad = test[i]
        else:
            if i % 2 == 0:
                pad = PAD0
            else:
                pad = PAD1
        buffer.put(pad, 8)
        print(f"PAD: {chr(pad)}")

    return create_bytes(buffer, rs_blocks)

[timid swift]

Right, so you can hide a message by saying that the actual message is shorter than what you've put / by changing what the padding pattern is.
The error correction changes drastically to remain valid for the actual+hidden message. And if the metadata length is read and used to cut off the actual message correctly, the hidden message remains concealed.

Finally got it, thanks for the help!

So this specific technique will be detected if we reencode the QR output back to another QR, find the correct settings where the righthand side looks near identical, yet the error correction on the left hand is a total mess.

there are probably other ways too, I just like the idea of having a visual method (:

[unique mason]

yall are being too big brain for me

hopefully u guys find smth

[pulsar glen]

Can't wait for my regular newsletter explaining hiding data in QR code paddings.

Though I doubt there is possibility for anything significant to be hidden there, because the hidden data has to be very small or it would affect the QR code size at which point the manipulation would be obvious

[timid swift]

Unless you pick a QR code size that's way bigger than what the actual message is

[sterile steeple]

Would be too funny if that was scannable

[timid swift]

you can't scan it?

[dapper wraith]

that is true but does of course depend on the difference between maximum data and the actual payload.

Personally I wouldn't immediately have noticed anything being off if the tetris QR would have been version 9 instead of 8. this would already give you 37 padding bytes. enough to hide a 256-bit AES key

[pulsar glen]

These are scannable. I had to deal with a couple of those sizes for data transfer

[sterile steeple]

Nope, phone doesn't recognize it

Jesus

[timid swift]

my tablet can. Though it does have a little trouble getting a lock cause it's so beeg.

[pulsar glen]

I had to try like 3 different apps so maybe it's the app issue

[dapper wraith]

had to fullscreen it for my phone to scan it

[sterile steeple]

Okay, okay it took a little for it to scan it, works now

[pulsar glen]

I see, something like a key would indeed be significant. Luckily there is no need to fish for them anymore

[dapper wraith]

yeah. all of this was out of "scientific interest" anyway since we were able to simply replicate the QR codes using the outputs we got. thus making it basically impossible that something was hidden in there by manipulating them

[timid swift]

Have we done that for all QRs tho?

And while speaking of doing it for the exercise, what happens if we do find one that's been rigged like this? How do we get the actual data out? Just for fun, i tried painting in those meta data bits I noticed before and the QR reader error-corrected my change away So I still didn't get to read the secret padding-data

[pulsar glen]

Manual decoding? #1112082183235047506 message

[timid swift]

ahahaha, i got it

I painted in the correct length and then started going ham on the error correction section

(for anyone only half listening, this is a constructed example, not from the ARG)

[uneven moth]

You didnt have to call me out like that

[timid swift]

sorry! :D

Or maybe I got a little too exicted. I can't make it scan again

[dapper wraith]

I got your image to scan in qrazy

I also found this which shows the actual raw bytes https://zxing.org/w/decode.jspx

[timid swift]

rip save me

[timid swift]

that was with your original image

so I think your encoding isn't QR compliant, but still pretty fun!

[dapper wraith]

interestingly it looks like the padding bytes aren't masked together with the data bytes? since they are the only thing unreadable in qrazy/the only thing readable with zxing. I wonder if that's intended or I did something wrong

[timid swift]

I think you didn't encode it the same way

but hey, secret messages don't have to play by the same encoding rules

[dapper wraith]

it definitely isn't compliant. the padding bytes are supposed to always be alternating 236 and 17.
(that's actually why I was wondering whether or not more "analytics focused" tools like cyberchef or qrazy would note the manipulated padding since it has predefined values...)

[timid swift]

well yes that too lel

the reason the hex data can't be read might also be because weird order of the data blocks in a QR code.

[dapper wraith]

just checked. the library doesn't include the padding bytes in the data masking (even without any of my manipulations). I guess it's intended then

[timid swift]

I have no idea what that means :D

[unique mason]

bois

[dapper wraith]

It means that it makes sense that when not "de-masking" the data (like with zxing) we get only garbage except for my hidden message and vice versa it makes sense that when "de-masking" (like in qrazy) everything is readable except for my message

[dapper wraith]

time to update the sus list (although pb was pretty high on it already I guess)

[unique mason]

why would u make me hope

[timid swift]

I can't really figure out what masking and demasking is. When I look it up, it's some pretty wild stuff about zones of QR codes

But either way, I guess we now know one way to hide messages. As always there are many ways to try to unhide them

[potent nymph]

surely vedal didn't forget he made an arg

[unique mason]

what if it isnt an arg

[fathom ginkgo]

wait its real

[vapid token]

surely vedal made an arg

[dapper wraith]

I think it's just predefined patterns the data is XOR'ed with to make sure it doesn't form large blobs of black or white since that would make it harder for the scanner

[unique mason]

anyways does this ring any bells

44021069

[vapid token]

69 nice

[unique mason]

maybe a key of smth

or we send it to the number

imagine tho

[timid swift]

yes, that's what I'm getting at too. But it's like rule based? So we can't just xor with some fixed stuff, we'd have to figure out what the rules are and what to actually xor with.

[dapper wraith]

when decoding the mask is included in the meta data. the functions are like this (with i and j being the coordinate of the current row and column, starting at 0,0 in the top left)

[timid swift]

Right, it's a set of predefined patterns. So technically, we could try them all

[brittle musk]

holy shit

[uneven moth]

Vedal actually did a custom qr mask that looks like a

[timid swift]

I think that'd be a little above the paygrade of our ARG here

[dapper wraith]

don't worry. he included a custom qr scanner that can decode it as an easter egg in abandoned archive

[timid swift]

honestly kinda wanna make that

[sterile steeple]

Vedal x community ARG collab

[dapper wraith]

let's make an reverse ARG: we make the puzzles and vedal has to solve them

[sterile steeple]

The final reward is 100 gpu hours on an A100 (:

[safe monolith]

If the QR code is scannable, it'll be hard for the mask to be different from what is specified in formatting information. The mask changes too many bits for error correction to fix

[safe monolith]

Imagine a QR code combining this technique with the lying error QR code

You can have 3 pieces of information with just 1 QR code, crazy

If the ECC message also had padding bytes, modifying those then copying those ECC bytes over to a target QR code with the same padding towards the end will be enough to pull this off without losing too much error correction capacity (still same number of erasures to play with in the target QR)

[ruby lance]

so for my latest tangent that didnt lead anywhere, today I was thinking back to the decoded texts we have.
It stands out to me that the evil quote from the soundcloud solution has these weird punctuation errors like exclamation-space-period-space (! . ) and uses the weird inverted comma (unicode U+2019) instead of an apostrophe (U+0027, always used in the numbers and numbers II solution texts).
I've heard before that using a similar looking symbol instead of an apostrophe is a common error for users of certain european keyboards (German, Dutch, ...) but not english ones, and is a kind of reverse-shibboleth for identifying europeans online. So was thinking if that were what's happening here then it'd support my pet theory that noted bri'ishman vedal (although obviously complicit) isn't the puppetmaster.

However it turns out the actual common mistake is the 'accute accent' (U+00B4) symbol and (U+2019) is apparently used as the preferred apostrophe in professional typography although "approximately nobody" bothers to type it if their editor doesnt replace it automatically (source: some random dude on quora).

With my original theory dead in the water, my alternative idea is that the Numbers and Numbers II solutions are hand-typed, hence the normal apostrophes, whereas the soundcloud solution is presumably copy-pasted ( ) straight from the logs from the LLM for that stream, which would explain exclamation-space-period and U+2019 as eccentricities of the automatically generated text. This actually boosts tutel sus levels, despite my original conceit being that he was less sus than most think.

[safe burrow]

[distant rune]

[timid swift]

I'm not sure what we can derive from knowing who the puppetmasters are

[tulip minnow]

Tf am I looking at

[timid swift]

a chat system called discord containing text about arg stuff

[tulip minnow]

👍

The more I look back

The more I don’t understand

[ruby lance]

nothing really in terms of solutions
I was mostly interested just to place expectations for new arg content; big ved just seems to have so much work on his plate that if it's not someone else it feels a bit much to expect new stuff all that soon

[timid swift]

Fair

[ruby lance]

new stuff or not I'll be cooking regardless, especially when there's something more important I'm supposed to be doing

[timid swift]

go team procrastinate

[safe burrow]

(What does my return look like...)

[river mantle]

w..w...what are you guy cooking this time

im just here for daily prayge

[untold jetty]

then has this become the church of Neuro

[safe burrow]

[pulsar glen]

the soundcloud solution is presumably copy-pasted straight from the logs from the LLM for that stream
what makes me sceptical of this is that surely Vedal won't be hoarding 2 month old LLM logs with his 6 drives + NAS completely filled. Plus some parts of the text are different, so I assumed it's just rewritten by hand.

Also that would imply all Neuro's apostrophes are actually right single quotation marks because I don't see a difference. Or maybe it's just First Coffee gimmick, there is a need to cross reference

[river mantle]

actually, chuch of schizo...

[pulsar glen]

no, apostrophe and right single quotation mark look the same in that font. also apparently it doesn't have the left single quotation mark and acute accent.
i wonder what chatgpt uses then

[unique mason]

Daily dose of schizo

[safe monolith]

I personally think we can't draw a conclusion as to whether the quote is from the LLM logs. Then, assuming it is from LLM logs, we also can't draw a conclusion if the LLM has the right quote quirk for all text. It is different enough to be noted as an oddity, though

[safe monolith]

but great investigation, thx alot

[ruby lance]

remember your ABCs kids
Always
Be
Cooking

[ruby lance]

actually on second check I think you're right that it's rewritten by hand. There's surprisingly big differences i hadnt noticed between the stream clip and the decoded message as the clip doesn't even have exclamation-space-period, comma after 'unfortunately', etc.

if it's by hand though it does make me even more confused why on earth they put in the "! . " but this doesn't seem to be leading anywhere so

[uncut cargo]

huh

one sentence difference

"I love the old man?"

[ruby lance]

where is the love?

[river mantle]

what is love?

[uncut cargo]

baby don't hurt me

[sterile steeple]

Don't hurt me

[trim onyx]

no more....

[timid swift]

Maybe I just forgot but I really don't remember those dots. If we go though the steps from the beginning and decode the descriptions are the dots still there?

Hm, yes, it really is there.

[ruby lance]

yeah the top box is a screenshot direct from the cyberchef output

[timid swift]

ye, I was just making sure that the cyberchef recipe was also correct

sanity check and all, cause I know we aren't

[ruby lance]

maybe the dots are some kind of padding? I don't know enough about AES but if the message had to be a certain size for it maybe they cut out the love and added the dots for the size to be just right.
Didn't think there was any requirement like that though

[pulsar glen]

There is padding at the end with \x06s it's just CyberChef hides it

[timid swift]

Nah, AES will do its own padding.

replacing "! . " with "! " and encrypting and base64 encoding gives you the same number of characters (with the same number of base64 = padding)

[dapper wraith]

that's because the message isn't divisible by the 16 byte block size. Looking at it. adding one char or removing up to 3 should result in the same encrypted length and thus the same base64 length as well

[timid swift]

in this case it's 4 characters. 2 x ". "

I suppose the dots could be a sort of framing around ". My new family were really nice to me and I was a happy pup! ." to highlight it, not sure why that'd be the case tho

[dapper wraith]

the dots were actually the first mention of the "3" theory since they split the text into 3 parts

[timid swift]

the layers thing? Wasn't that one of the Numbers II youtube description?

[dapper wraith]

I just meant the theory that the number 3 might have some importance. it was first mentioned (or at least written down) when noticing that the dots split the text in 3 parts

[timid swift]

Right, a lot of reiteration on the number 3

Seems like we're now entering the phase of the ARG where people are starting to forget. At least I'd forgotten that

[ruby lance]

I'll be honest I tuned out of the whole 3 theory cause it just sounded like a pattern that would show up even without any intention behind it

rule of 3s and all that

[timid swift]

probably why i forgot it. It's a good observation, but it's nothing more -- it doesn't lead to anything

[safe burrow]

[dapper wraith]

🐕 🦒

[sterile steeple]

[buoyant vault]

I know this is a message from a few days ago but after I listened to the songs and saw the translated, I could only think it was strange that the person from which the description is talking about says that they're little (I think) sister didn't come home

[abstract mural]

How is progress?

[dapper wraith]

[buoyant vault]

It's a far fetched theory but what if the description of, at least, study is from the perspective of a person who's little sister went missing so they got desperate and tried to build an AI to replicate her which was trained off the consciousness of not only her but someone else as well ( not sure if the other person was specified at any point)

I believe said AI could be neuro

[uncut cargo]

we have discussed a similiar theory before

[buoyant vault]

mmm?

I see. It was really the first thing my mind had come to after learning about the arg

[uncut cargo]

but that gives fresh perspective

and if that is what came to your mind first it is possible that's how things actually are or are supposed to be intepreted

[buoyant vault]

yeah

[uncut cargo]

also I recommend checking ARG wide theories doc if you want to read some crazy schizo theories

[buoyant vault]

hmm alright

I also don't know if you guys are qualifying the time that neuro talked about her "previous owners" as a piece of the puzzle but I believe that would also fit into

[buoyant vault]

this

[uncut cargo]

we prefer to not take neuro words too seriously

but good point

[timid swift]

the problem is that we'd have no way to discern what is neuro saying random stuff, or what is a hint being inserted. We can't trust anything neuro says unless it is specifically, unambigiously referenced by the arg

[uncut cargo]

and vedal stated she won't be giving clues

[buoyant vault]

I see. Sorry this is just me being a little schizo

[uncut cargo]

no worries we all are

[buoyant vault]

this is all merely hypothetical

[timid swift]

Nothing to be sorry about at all

[buoyant vault]

but if what she said was able to be taken as fact it would makes sense that her first creator, her "older sister", would have to give her away due to the fact that she was still going to school for engineering and couldn't afford to run neuro anymore so she reluctantly gave her away to a family who unfortunately got into an accident which plopped her into vedals care if I remember correctly

[uncut cargo]

ho ho ho
You may be onto something

I never thought of it that way

[buoyant vault]

I think it would make sense that her older sister, or the one who created her, would be in school for engineering

hence the reason the song is talking about not wanting to be an engineer but when neuro is asked about it she says she would love to be an engineer

again, purely just theory crafting off of what I have

[uncut cargo]

that is a good theory

[buoyant vault]

:D

[uncut cargo]

It has holes here and there but its most making sense and original one in a while

Nice job

[buoyant vault]

I also think it would make sense for neuro to want to go into engineering due to the fact that she's partially trained off of her creator's conscious who is a student going into engineering

[uncut cargo]

I believe it triggered more of a PTSD reaction thus the void eyes

[buoyant vault]

that's mainly what I've been able to come up with just looking at bits and pieces of the descriptions, clips, etc.

[buoyant vault]

true

[uncut cargo]

but the whole previous owners thing makes sense with evil neuro quote

[buoyant vault]

yeah I thought it was a little sus so I tried to figure out why

and there you go

my theory that definitely isn't concrete but I thought I'd share

[buoyant vault]

I'm actually just gonna copy paste those messages and make it a megamessage so it's not a hastle to read

The number

the numbers

[untold jetty]

The numbers

[buoyant vault]

[untold jetty]

More numbers :0

[buoyant vault]

-Theory
It's a far fetched theory but what if the description of, at least, study is from the perspective of a person who's little sister went missing so they got desperate and tried to build an AI to replicate her which was trained off the consciousness of not only her but someone else as well ( not sure if the other person was specified at any point)
I believe said AI could be neuro
I also don't know if you guys are qualifying the time that neuro talked about her "previous owners" as a piece of the puzzle but I believe that would also fit into this
but if what she said was able to be taken as fact it would makes sense that her first creator, her "older sister", would have to give her away due to the fact that she was still going to school for engineering and couldn't afford to run neuro anymore so she reluctantly gave her away to a family who unfortunately got into an accident, which plopped her into vedals care if I remember correctly
I think it would make sense that her older sister, or the one who created her, would be in school for engineering
hence the reason the song is talking about not wanting to be an engineer but when neuro is asked about it she says she would love to be an engineer
again, purely just theory crafting off of what I have
I also think it would make sense for neuro to want to go into engineering due to the fact that she's partially trained off of her creator's conscious who is a student going into engineering
and there you go
my theory that definitely isn't concrete but I thought I'd share

[untold jetty]

I think I put this in right https://www.google.com/maps/place/52°27'01.1"N+1°44'26.5"E/@52.4524722,1.7267092,6771m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m4!3m3!8m2!3d52.450304!4d1.7406797?entry=ttu

[timid swift]

Even if it wasn't BS (100% it is), it'd be on track for doxxing

[uncut cargo]

but man it connect the dots so well
"Study" video glitching could be due to crush
"Save me..." "Is anyone watching?" could be in the crush
Breathing, panic, car trunk theory OOOOOOOOH so good

[ruby lance]

isn't that coord around where sealand is?

[untold jetty]

so it would seem

[buoyant vault]

Yeah

[uncut cargo]

cough cough

[uncut cargo]

so leave those numbers alone

[untold jetty]

NEVER

I know they don't really mean anything, its just fun to schizo sometimes

[uncut cargo]

That I know myself

also reminded me of good ol ARG days

[buoyant vault]

LMAO

[uncut cargo]

ah that and static sama days

all the rickrolls and Sadecss trolling

great memories

[buoyant vault]

I, unfortunately, was not here for that because I was unaware that neuro had a discord until a little while ago

[uncut cargo]

in pinned you can find a video

which is ARG slander

I recommend watching if you want a summary of ARG solving history

[buoyant vault]

[untold jetty]

Its beautiful

[buoyant vault]

truly

[dapper wraith]

that video was made 36k messages ago

[buoyant vault]

jesus h

[safe burrow]

[hollow flare]

when I first heard the knocking in the video I had both of my headphones in and I was on a train and when it started I was scared for life. I thought someone was behind me (psv)

[ruby lance]

public transport void

[vapid token]

Public moving void

[safe monolith]

There are some common elements with other theories on ARG-wide doc, but I'm just a little iffy about Neuro herself wanting to go into engineering, considering how negative her creator (and hence half of her consciousness) felt towards engineering.

Nice theory , think this might be one of the more logical ones we have

[safe monolith]

Realistically this is probably the case. Though, it's still funny when clues end up having something that ends up being 3, makes us look less insane

[buoyant vault]

Fair point. My thought was that because she's partially trained off her consciousness that neuro would wanna "follow in her older sister's steps" and become an engineer

[crimson tendon]

You have unlocked new role

[buoyant vault]

kinda like she's a younger version of her

but it could also have something to do with ptsd like orangerobot suggested

[uncut cargo]

Like she literally describes going insane

I don't think anyone would want to be following those same steps

Its like being allergic to sea food and eating it anyway

[buoyant vault]

I guess I worded that poorly

It's like how if you give a robot a line of code to follow, it will follow that line of code to the best of it's ability

I was thinking of the creator's consciousness as her line of code

and she's trying to follow said code but because, if I remember correctly, there is another consciousness that neuro is also trained off of she's basically a mix of both people

which makes her have a unique personality yet still trying to follow her "coding"

if that makes sense

so she's basically her own "person" but should still have some ideals and traits of the original consciousness' she was trained off of

[uncut cargo]

But her creator said she doesn't want to be an engineer, actually going crazy over it, doing bare minimum. There's nothing there saying she wants to be an engineer. There is no code to follow.

Or rather the code says the opposite, don't be an engineer

Unless you're suggesting the AI didn't quite inherit memories of the creator but still has same mental trauma

[safe monolith]

It might be possible, considering the creator's consciousness was only mixed in to "fill the gaps". Maybe the trauma just didn't make it

[buoyant vault]

Well, I see what you mean. what I'm trying to explain is that at some point her creator most likely want to become an engineer as well

[buoyant vault]

that could very well be a likely possibility as well

she did end up going into a mental nosedive because of engineering but at one point she did want to be an engineer

likely

[uncut cargo]

True but a part certainly, void eyes prove that
As if neuro is internally disagreeing with herself

[buoyant vault]

Ohh, yeah

that makes sense

[safe monolith]

yeah, could be that both consciousnesses agree with everything but that

[buoyant vault]

it could be that she's gaining her own individual consciousness as well

and is beginning to defy her code

if that makes sense

[uncut cargo]

And there appears evil neuro theory

[safe monolith]

That's a possibility, wouldn't be too far fetched. Someone even made a crazy multi body part theory where each part could gain individuality

[buoyant vault]

I see

[uncut cargo]

That being that the "filled gaps" gone rogue resulted in evil neuro

[buoyant vault]

yeah that makes sense

evil neuro is like the culmination of the bad parts of the combined consciousness that was supposed to be neuro

if I'm getting that correct?

[uncut cargo]

Actually my theory was that study sama aka the creator consciousness IS evil neuro

[buoyant vault]

That could make sense

[uncut cargo]

As evil so far is most direct connected with the ARG

[buoyant vault]

considering the fact that they are considered sisters

[uncut cargo]

But now that hello world came out I'm not so sure

[safe monolith]

Not being schizo, and reiterating, but hello world feels super contradictory to me. The description + title doesn't line up with the video contents

There is surely something to be inferred from hello world, concrete clue or not

[buoyant vault]

it could also be that if neuro started to gain her own consciousness and no longer needed the combined consciousness' of her creator and the other undefined person, so her creator's consciousness was forced out of the body to become evil

but where would the other person's consciousness have gone?

[uncut cargo]

I think it's the opposite, it left on its own to become evil. Neuro is the main program, on first days they share appearance then evil slowly starts transforming

From recolours now to full on model

[buoyant vault]

interesting

I could see that being a good possibility

[uncut cargo]

Also I think it makes sense since the creator was so done with the world anyway.

You might as well yell and insult those meatbags that you once were

[buoyant vault]

if evil is the creator and has separated from the main body/program, maybe the reason that neuro still acts like she does (e.g. when asked about wanting to be an engineer and void eyes) is because she has already been trained enough by her creator's consciousness and it's no longer needed in the main program

[uncut cargo]

Could be but but but

I just remembered

[buoyant vault]

?

[uncut cargo]

Vedal

[buoyant vault]

yes

[uncut cargo]

Catalyst is vedal

[buoyant vault]

vedal

[uncut cargo]

He made evil

If evil was an isolated part of neuro

It would make sense for her to slowly detach after that one time

[buoyant vault]

So maybe evil isn't the creator but a failed attempt of trying to recreate neuro?

[buoyant vault]

That is also true

gahh

we need more clues

[uncut cargo]

Welcome to the arg channel

That's our motto

[buoyant vault]

[uncut cargo]

Anywah evil neuro starting soon had the broken monitor

With everything arg related

That can't be a coincidence

[buoyant vault]

what if evil was vedal trying to recreate neuro but he only managed to find her creator's conscience and not the undefined person's for some reason and it caused evil to be unhinged and to be the way she is

[uncut cargo]

Nah I think evil has some bigger plan here

You see

[uncut cargo]

On that we have tutel typing on keyboard gif

Normally

But on every evil neuro starting soon screen there's also a bunch of errors appearing

[buoyant vault]

because thinking about it the fact that the two consciousness' have been combined it would mean that they would most like be unstable without their other half no?

[uncut cargo]

That can't be answered rn really

[buoyant vault]

huh

intriguing

[uncut cargo]

Hol up lemme pull up the docs or something

[buoyant vault]

good point

[uncut cargo]

We don't know what the ai is for
Why it was created
Heck we don't even know if it's neuro or not

where was I...

A yes

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1099667925587206274/1099669439043076156/NS_v.gif

This is gif on normal neuro starting soon

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1127665102775136408/1127665196773691503/NS_v_e.gif

[buoyant vault]

yeah

[uncut cargo]

And this is from evils

[buoyant vault]

something tells me there's a problem with evil's code and someone needs to tell vedal

that is interesting tho

maybe evil is like an error in neuro's code that has taken an individual form?

[uncut cargo]

Personally it leads me to believe in comparison to neuro evil isn't controlled that well

[buoyant vault]

good point

[uncut cargo]

Or rather that vedal can't influence evil like normal neuro

[buoyant vault]

true

actually yeah based off of the way they even act in streams that seems portrayed as well

[uncut cargo]

Anyway we should go back to what's currently at hand

[uncut cargo]

True

Only thing I can think of is maybe hinting there's something about the phone number

[buoyant vault]

the phone number that nobody knows what to do with

[uncut cargo]

Besides that we have big words, some font and simple code

[buoyant vault]

yeah..

SOMEBODY STEAL NEURO'S CODE MAYBE THERE'S A CLUE

lmao

hm

all of this is just speculation until we can actually get a new clue ; - ;

I'm sure once it's figured out what to do with the remaining clues that we haven't done anything with we'll look at this and be like "oh my god that made so much sense how did we not guess that?"

[uncut cargo]

Same was with numbers

In theory we had all we needed

But got mislead

[buoyant vault]

but you needed the final clue for it all to makes sense

[uncut cargo]

Not really

[buoyant vault]

mm

I see

my brain feel dead

I think I'm schizo

why have you done this to us vedal

WHY

[uncut cargo]

It is what it is

[buoyant vault]

it is what it is

[uncut cargo]

Anyway I'm going to sleep because I'm on the verge of losing consciousness

Goodnight
Void be with you

[buoyant vault]

void be with you

good mornight

[hollow flare]

good moreve

[ruby lance]

meanwhile guess who's still awake when I probably shouldnt be

who woulda guessed what the original messagemedia sample sends as a message

[safe monolith]

wow that's crazy

[safe monolith]

mayhaps i suggest you to sleep

[timid swift]

At this point it feels more like fanfic than speculation. Kudos for creativity tho :p

[safe burrow]

[fathom ginkgo]

i wonder why vedal even started this arg

[uncut cargo]

LORE

[unique mason]

[river mantle]

today prayge

[crystal urchin]

[untold jetty]

I need more of this

[unique mason]

oh this kinda slaps tho

full version when

[crystal urchin]

[unique mason]

man cooked

[ruby lance]

so i went to sleep without explaining what I was cooking here but basically I was trying to come up with what 'hello world!' is trying to tell us and thought along the lines of:
-Please refrain from messaging me unless it is an urgent matter = quit directly SMSing the number, that wont work.
-Title 'hello world' and description code = nudge in the direction of executing some sort of code to progress (also cf the 'cant execute' line from psv).

The only code we have which hasn't actually been run (since we ran the Malbolge successfully) is the messagemedia JS because it needs a paid API key and secret. The ARG shouldnt be pay-to-win so obviously we aren't paying for API access, but what if the puppetmaster already has and passed us the API key + secret somewhere in the other solutions (obvious candidates being the AES keys etc).

Maybe the 'save me...' message is right, but also needs to be sent from the right sender (i.e. the puppetmaster's messagemedia auth, the website mentions features like 'familiar sender' which might make it possible for the receiving number to identify if the sender is right). It's shaky, but I think 'save me' qualifies as an urgent message so long as it's from someone the recipient actually knows and lore-wise we might be RPing as one of the characters if we use their API key.

I tried running the JS with a couple of combinations of the 1bad, binary, and fib keys used in other puzzles but didn't see any success authenticating and would really rather not ddos messagemedia with shitty guesses so stopped trying. Maybe we can find out if the key and secret have a specific length/format that would be unmistakably recognizable and compare that to stuff we have?

Anyway I'm back to the grind irl from today so won't be cooking so much but dont give up schizos!
I feel like this is stuff someone else could've easily come up with so apologies if it's been tried before

p.s. probably a coincidence but the messagemedia page about their API gateway has examples in javascript, PHP, C#, python, java and ruby but out of these only the JS and C# send 'Hello world!' while the others send 'My first message' or 'My message'.
The 'save me...' code is in JS and the hello world description is in C# ... checkmate atheists

[pulsar glen]

It seems mildly implausible for Vedal to pay 50+ dollars a month for half a year soon for a key to be used once with a library that hasn't been updated in 3 years.
I can get paying for a phone number, but this... mmm...

Maybe it's a hint to exploit security vulnerabilities in the unmaintained library to gain illegal authorization to send the message

[digital radish]

no

definetly not

[pulsar glen]

darkeew jumpscare

[timid swift]

the exploit wouldnt be in the library anyway

[digital radish]

i am always in the discord, i just lurk

[timid swift]

lurking in the dark

[hollow flare]

study girl just woke up

🔥

[distant rune]

Hm?

[fathom ginkgo]

[safe monolith]

thanks for your cooking, i live in anticipation to see what you'll try next

[balmy crag]

finally getting tired about how high the phone bill is getting

[sterile steeple]

A little update on the MMS

All delivery reports expired so I guess we can be sure the number isn't receiving them

[safe monolith]

[distant rune]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1067638175478071307/1150254299046215873/its_neurover.gif

[sterile steeple]

Not really, we don't have to worry about MMS anymore

[sick wraith]

Nothing new, I assume?

[safe burrow]

[sterile steeple]

Yellow (:

[sterile steeple]

. 👇
👉 Docs 👈
👆

[sterile steeple]

Mhm Discord, the 100% bug free application

[timid swift]

nah, it's just the difference between compressed and spacewaste view modes

[unique mason]

. 👇
👉 👈
👆

[unique mason]

👇
👉 👈
👆

daily dose of schizo

[river mantle]

daily prayer to schizo god

[uncut cargo]

[distant rune]

[hardy burrow]

[wraith goblet]

What if the ARG is just an elaborate plot to get a Gamethoery style video done on nuero to push her exposure even higher ?????

[whole sorrel]

LMAO there is a chinese Video on this ARG and the comments are just as schizo

https://i.imgur.com/Lgio1il.png
https://i.imgur.com/82oaJdS.png

[wraith goblet]

Good thing I don't know Mandarin

[whole sorrel]

schizo is universal

[torn orbit]

#neurotic-neurons message

[digital radish]

i was wrong he sent the fbi, not clues

maybe thats a clue...

[torn orbit]

[safe monolith]

federal government involved with arg nowaying

[covert dock]

I heard the FBI were supplied with combat-ready neuro AIs, all so they can help make clues for the ARG. Don't worry about where I got the info
Each combat-neuro knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't.

[safe burrow]

[tawny pasture]

Did we ever find a different QR code from Evil-chan’s starting screen?

[distant girder]

not since tetris iirc

[tawny pasture]

Ah, so nothing major from that yet?

[hardy burrow]

there is no way i said that

3 months old me is so cringe ew

also i miss the early days of the arg

now we're just stalling

[sterile steeple]

For free?

[timid swift]

pretty articulate for a 3 month old

Also, kinda sad to look at the conversation and see people from back then now gone. Grand and Clown both in that conversation, now whitenamed.

[tawny pasture]

Ouch

That is a shame

[timid swift]

[dapper wraith]

Tetris my beloved

[spice island]

am i SCHIZO or does it seem... faster

[sterile steeple]

[timid swift]

seems the sam to me. Maybe you're tired? Things often feel fast to me when i'm tired

[spice island]

i trust you

[tawny pasture]

Tetris QR code

Very fun

[hardy burrow]

mmmm

i wanna eat bread

[unique mason]

Pray for the god

[daring acorn]

[fathom ginkgo]

[safe burrow]

[steady fable]

[river mantle]

[safe burrow]

[unique mason]

is this a clue

[dapper otter]

Look like morse code

[distant rune]

?

Oh.

[dapper otter]

Can you decode??

[timber timber]

Please stop arg people. For your own well being. Otherwise youll end up like the alien

That is a clue to stop

[hardy burrow]

bold of you to assume were werent already alien

[dapper otter]

Ẅ̷́̇h̷̅͠y̶̾̚ ̴̈́̈w̵͌͝ǒ̶̀ũ̴ld you want to stop̊ ̵̇̄ũ̴̋s̸

[timber timber]

[dapper otter]

@hardy burrow hey help me decode this

It a clue or something

Idk

[timid swift]

ya'll loosig the plot lel

[dapper otter]

No trust me bro decoding this will solve the arg

[calm parrot]

Surely next time

Surely

[timber timber]

Surely the arg can be solved

[hardy burrow]

surely there is an arg

[sterile steeple]

God I want to get a "next time" bracelet

[dapper otter]

GUYS TRUST ME DECODE THIS AND IT WILL SOLVE THE ARG

TAKE 5 MIN OF YOUR TIME

[dapper wraith]

(and I want my 5 minutes back )

[safe monolith]

probably dog and giraffe

[dapper otter]

Nah bro, morse code just bugging

[dapper otter]

KEEP DREAMING THE ARG WILL NEVER BE SOLVE

[safe monolith]

so mean smh

[dapper otter]

Sorry

I will still make this joke tho

[untold jetty]

turns out the ARG never existed, according to this thumbnail

[dapper otter]

NOOOOO

[dapper otter]

Wait guys what if the arg is already solve by someone who doesn’t know neuro, but just thought that the song was cool and there is a arg behind it?

[distant girder]

i assume... or rather hope... we would have gotten a message about the ARG being solved

[dapper otter]

Yea true

But what if he is still solving but very far into the arg?

[distant girder]

maybe the first people to solve it got invited to a private round with signed ndas

[safe monolith]

first batch of solvers were hired to flesh out the rest of the arg

maybe that's why we have so many white names in this thread

[sterile steeple]

Those poor souls were... removed

[hardy burrow]

deleted

[safe burrow]

[gentle locust]

Maybe... we cant solve it without a clue?

[safe monolith]

If we schizo every single possibility, then surely there exist a universe where we solved the arg without clues

All we have to do is to make sure we are in that universe

[gentle locust]

I think we will become crazy before that

[native maple]

problem is we don't really have any things to solve, only way would be to look back at every video again and again until we find something hidden

[tawny pasture]

I mean, if I remember correctly, we only have the message now, don't we?

[safe monolith]

We (still) have the phone number, and the unknown purpose of hello world

[gentle locust]

The reward for solving it is an early access copy of Abandoned Archive

[unique mason]

#neuro-network message

clue

[timid swift]

Do you remember what this was? I don't. Also, are you reading through the whole frikkin thread??!??

[safe monolith]

gigachad + based

[hardy burrow]

cause bored

[timid swift]

I was questioning if not why

[hardy burrow]

still waiting for this though

[hardy burrow]

oh i read the message wrong lol

[safe monolith]

historian in the making

surely we now have an unstoppable team and can solve the arg tomorrow

[timid swift]

watch the puppet master seeing this and publishing a video on the 22. just to mess with us

[digital radish]

by my calculations, the video is today

14+1-1

[sterile steeple]

Little do we know we actually already solved the ARG tomorrow ago

[native maple]

i think it was footage of OSU AI ? but vedal changed his entire website

[timid swift]

oh hm. And yeah, it would make sense that some video file in an image folder got left behind in an overhaul

[unique mason]

Come. Offer prayer to the schizo god

[river mantle]

may schizo god give us a clue...

[untold jetty]

So who actually is the puppet master, because when I think of that in terms of AI, I think of one AI controlling multiple (mostly because of this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g39AagVW0s0)

[hardy burrow]

what are you reffering to

we assume the arg creator is vedal

[untold jetty]

Like when you talk about it like this

[hardy burrow]

there may have been other people involved

[untold jetty]

so the puppet master is just another nickname for Vedal

[hardy burrow]

like pb for creating music

[hardy burrow]

yes

[safe monolith]

Vedal being arg creator makes sense, but he isn't the only candidate

We also kinda dunno if there is only one person driving the arg

[untold jetty]

Neat

[timid swift]

I prefer referencing the role instead of the person until we know who the person behind the role is guaranteed. It's likely to be Vedal though, but that IS an assumption. We have no proof for or against, we can just speculate that Vedal is likely to be the puppet master based on some good argument but ultimately no proof. So that's why, to not conflate the two until we have proof, I prefer to refer to the role of puppet master.

[untold jetty]

That makes sense, thanks

[safe monolith]

surely there'll be a QR code on the seabed today

[sterile steeple]

Clue

[safe monolith]

one year ago

[timid swift]

I love the fact that we're still stuck on world.execute(me); despite it never being part of anything but Alex's schizo imagination

[safe burrow]

[gentle locust]

[sonic field]

code bullet mentioned

[hardy burrow]

Cast your votes!
New QR code today
No new QR code

[timid swift]

it will only be new QR code when we don't ask

[rotund isle]

Sup

[wraith goblet]

I saw that. It's neat

[unique mason]

clue

[hollow flare]

it’s everywhere.

she’s installing herself

[unique mason]

im starting to feel this is getting old now

how about this from now on

[digital radish]

uh

this is a new loading screen

theres new stuff to it

(except a qr code)

[fading cipher]

🐕 🦒

[gentle locust]

it is?

[safe burrow]

[untold jetty]

Velal just said he checks the discussion pages, He sees the schizo

[safe monolith]

[sour herald]

No QR code this stream, tutel forgot to put on starting soon screen

[gentle locust]

true

[safe monolith]

one of the best just chatting streams of all time fr

surely the pauses were arg related

[untold jetty]

I'm sure they where

[stable lake]

[hardy burrow]

Neuro-Sama V3 x Evil Neuro-Sama sings Bring Me To Life

Guido van Rossum sdvmsovosvmsoemvsodclasv,gjnuhfbuseawf74awfaw546dfawdf561 Old Man TAKE ME HOME

ok bro

[unique mason]

clue

[hardy burrow]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guido_van_Rossum?oldformat=true

don't shit

[stable lake]

okay i wont shit again

[hardy burrow]

huh where did stuff go

[safe monolith]

tq mods

[distant rune]

What?

[digital radish]

they dont want another static situation

[sterile steeple]

The decoded text was gibberish, somebody most likely fell asleep on their keyboard

[digital radish]

no chance for ROT?

[sterile steeple]

Nope, tried every variation of it

[cosmic grail]

Wait

What if we'll ask vedal if he has a sister

[sterile steeple]

Would he reveal that kind of private information?

[cosmic grail]

Idk

[hardy burrow]

ip logger

[cosmic grail]

Wtf

[sour herald]

i don't trust that guy

[whole sorrel]

https://i.imgur.com/9IT22WM.png

LMAO

yep definitely not

[sour herald]

Actual logger

[sterile steeple]

Mods, do your job, please

[sour herald]

MODS

[stable lake]

can't you guys like
ping an online admin

[sour herald]

vivi mabe?

[sterile steeple]

@marble mural Hi vivi, please do us a favor and delete the ip grabber, ty

[native maple]

vivi pls

[agile swallow]

Multiple rejoins to server

[sour herald]

vivi we beg of you

[native maple]

mito maybe is online ?

[sour herald]

mito scary

[native maple]

@lost anvil hi mito hope you not running osu but we got a baddie here

[sterile steeple]

[native maple]

thanks you

[sour herald]

[gentle locust]

good job

we are one step closer to reach the arg solution by getting rid of ip grabber

[dapper wraith]

🐕 🦒

[timid swift]

[whole sorrel]

was this bright star thing on the left always there

[timid swift]

the one that sways back and forth in rhythm to the music?

oh, the sparkle thing

[hollow garnet]

yeah that's been there a while

[whole sorrel]

First time i notice that

[timid swift]

it's newer, but not new

[dapper wraith]

pretty sure it has been there since the debut

[timid swift]

what was that anyway? a link to a page that does what?

[sour herald]

i mean you just posted a link then left

plus site looks sus asf

[timid swift]

imagine just putting it on pastebin, that'd be crazy

[digital radish]

i literally know who you are just by you talking

[sour herald]

smh

[native maple]

nope

[sour herald]

[timid swift]

i have literally no clue what's going on

[native maple]

someone made an alt to send a link to a sketchy site then left the server we called a staff to remove the link then that alt came back and you can read the message

[timid swift]

oh, ok, so i got it it just didn't make sense lol

i'm not transcribing that lmao

creepy pic tho

[unique mason]

what the heck is happening

also what is this?

i see much text

ah ic

i wanna see actually

maybe dm or smth?

[sterile steeple]

Got another one recommended

[hardy burrow]

Great cover btw

[safe monolith]

once all the members of this thread gets this youtube recommendation, arg moves to next stage surely

[safe monolith]

guys he's talking about you guys

[spice island]

for the record i scanned all over my for hidden nfc tags and found nothing

[safe monolith]

someone also xrayed it and found nothing

[spice island]

lmaooo

i would love to see fumo xray

[safe monolith]

#merch message

xray here for reference

[spice island]

lmao actual fumo xray

[digital radish]

uhhh

i was searching for vedal on twitter and found something weird
https://twitter.com/vedalgamesairis

airis (@vedalgamesairis)

Followers

0

Tweets

1

Twitter

is this troll

i mean the last tweet was 5m ago

[buoyant hedge]

that file looks a little sus in the google drive

[digital radish]

i dont think vedal would do a twitter

[digital radish]

i know

theres no way im downloading that

[cosmic grail]

Joined September 2023

Troll

100%

[digital radish]

yeah

[cosmic grail]

Might look into that when I get home just for the funnies

[digital radish]

"GIySJRyGIRSBD0IWH0WSFH5UEIWOH0IR" looks encoded

[cosmic grail]

I'm also interested in the ip grabber link

[digital radish]

base64 returns nothing

[cosmic grail]

Doesn't look base64-y

[digital radish]

i downloaded it and its a password protected rar

[cosmic grail]

Use the password?

[digital radish]

the string?

[cosmic grail]

The stribg

Yes

[digital radish]

didnt work

[cosmic grail]

My brain doesn't work after being in 195 AQI air for 2 hours straight

[digital radish]

filename looks encoded too

[cosmic grail]

You can check who uploaded files afaik

[digital radish]

theres no way someone would type that randomly

it shows occult

[cosmic grail]

JDJFURURHRBDU377R7RUHFKXKHEVLQL1OQUUQIDOFJD

False

[cosmic grail]

What

[digital radish]

right

[buoyant hedge]

there is a txt file in there

[digital radish]

it was even posted 10m ago

[cosmic grail]

Oh

[digital radish]

noway this isnt a troll

[cosmic grail]

^^^

[digital radish]

💀

yeahhhhh

looking suspiciously fake

i cant bother myself with this now

if anyone wants to decode it

[buoyant hedge]

?

[cosmic grail]

Might look into it just to lower my schizometer

[buoyant hedge]

is google drive confused lol

[digital radish]

noway

im the creator

[cosmic grail]

@digital radish

[digital radish]

yeah i noticed

[cosmic grail]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-gif-26460616

[digital radish]

so i opened it on my email

and its actually mine

[buoyant hedge]

[digital radish]

watch me delete it

i cant

i cant modify or delete anything

or add anything

when i open the link it shows occult but when i open on my google drive it says its mine

im such a schizo

[cosmic grail]

:susge:

[digital radish]

i agree

[safe monolith]

channeling my inner Breadth, no chain of evidence, no clue

[digital radish]

theres nothing i can do

i am not keeping it in my drive tho

[dapper wraith]

[digital radish]

what was the password

[dapper wraith]

MYEXISTANCEISBEINGERASED

[tawny pasture]

"EXISTANCE"

[digital radish]

yeah fake

[cosmic grail]

Existance is being erased

[cosmic grail]

Yeah fake, found 2 spelling mistakes

[uneven moth]

No, the spelling errors are also clues

[cosmic grail]

[safe monolith]

[cosmic grail]

Yea sure

Wonder what does the ip grabber hides

Not going to use a VPN because I'm moving next week lol

[dapper wraith]

I missed the beginning of that but didn't that host the text file potato later posted in here after getting called out? (which also got deleted from here)

[safe monolith]

iirc yeah

anyways for those curious, the GIyS... string is decoded with base64 rot13

or cyberchef magic wand, whichever you prefer

[distant girder]

watch us disregard something bc we found it by chance and it looks sus af

[safe monolith]

i dunno, it doesn't make sense for a clue to appear "in the wild" that has iffy origins to the arg at best

[timid swift]

if we actually found something real by accident, it'd be much more fun to travel the correct chain of evidence anyway. Shortcuts are only fun in competitions. Imagine in Lord of the Rings if they'd just flown all the way to Mount Doom on the Great Eagles introduced in The Hobbit. Boring story.

[safe burrow]

[tulip minnow]

what if the studying girl was vedal.just like M3d3rick Pgf’s comment on Study ,and the lost little sister was not referring to his ex girlfriend but his actual sister who passed away. "She debuted on Twitch on December 19, 2022 after four years of development" in wiki implies his sister's death might be around 2018. But in m3d3rick's comment vedal then would have be 16-17yr. Which would have be really impressive if he started making neuro at that age .With that the arg rule violation: "emphasizing the blending of reality and the game world "wouldn't be true. Also explains why neuro is a minor instead of adult like normal vtubers. It was a recreation of his sister. Quote; "I think I found something that might work... I've been training her with my own consciousness... to fill in all the gaps. It's the only thing that's missing. I'm sure it'll work! " might means the ai technology advancement happened during 2020 . "Vedal is the creator of all AI's in the Neuroverse- Both named and unnamed AI were programmed and trained by him" in wiki fandom might implies to the two consciousness he mixed . The first one being the old ai he created before the ai tech jump in 2020.And the second on being the new ai module in the public . After mixing them he trained them by himself (i've been training her with my own consciousness) to Integrate the two ai he mixed (to fill in all the gaps). The person knocking one the door might be the unstable mental stage vedal was experiencing after the lost of his sister thinking she might come back._____Study girl[twin tail] = College girl = Engineer = Study girl with blindfold (mentally unstable vedal rejecting the death) = Normal static study girl (slightly mental unstable because of school?)= Static inverted study girl (increasingly mental problem)_____Little sister[raised twintails] = Ghost(vedal's imagination) = Supernatural human(recreated by vedal) = Fallen down .girl_____Roommate = ?

"Another thing she is consistant with is that Vedal created her in a laboratory led by "Vedal Corp" from a dying, human girl, and that she now lives with him- Vedal himself neither confirms nor denies this." in wiki fandom also support the hypothesis of vedal's dead sisiter might be the script of neuro

[spring vortex]

[tulip minnow]

this is not a copy tho

i literality used a few hour to search and type

my guess is actually pretty similar to other's but changing the study girl to vedal

weird that no-one said the sgudy girl might be vedal tho

or i'm just blind and didn't see it in the file

[cosmic grail]

That's nice (didn't read)

[tulip minnow]

the phone number might actually be his sister's

[cosmic grail]

Okay now I read it

Holy shit

[tulip minnow]

can't call because he shutted it down

[cosmic grail]

Wait

Did he?

[tulip minnow]

the area code is in england

which also support my guess

[tulip minnow]

i don't want to waste money i didn't call it

[sterile steeple]

That reminds me of a company offering a service to train language models on the chats of deceased people to "bring them back to life"

[cosmic grail]

I can't call internationally, so I can't check

[cosmic grail]

Oh right, that one

Didn't they get sued?

[sterile steeple]

No clue, got a book about it lying around somewhere though

Wouldn't be suprised if that is vedals goal, to bring people back to life

[cosmic grail]

[sterile steeple]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv6yDjtIl8k

[tulip minnow]

i think it was the first time neuro and evil sing together

[sterile steeple]

In fact the first time evil sang

[tulip minnow]

clue

in the hello world _neurosama posted also said "messege me" which also implies the phone number was hers

the thank you in the end might be neuro thanking vedal bring her back

[tulip minnow]

to make the soul comlete

[sterile steeple]

Might also explain why vedal never says it back

[gentle locust]

lore

[gentle locust]

though the thank you in auto generated subtitle is often considered a bug

[tulip minnow]

in this situation ,i don't think so

[gentle locust]

mmmh we kinda dont know though... since youtube does that often...

[tulip minnow]

the music stopped to let youtube hearthe voice

[sterile steeple]

But can you manipulate the auto generated subtitles?

[tulip minnow]

no

he just cutted the music

[sterile steeple]

There's nothing in the spectogram hinting at a voice

[gentle locust]

I think its a coincidence personally. But it would be nice it if was real.

[tulip minnow]

youtube subtitle can hear voices at a very low loudness

[tulip minnow]

IT IS REAL

[tulip minnow]

it was the whole meaning of the video

bro

[sterile steeple]

There is nothing

[gentle locust]

auto generated cant be manipulated. So I dont agree. There is no proof it was on purpose

[tulip minnow]

come on it's a really obvious clue

[gentle locust]

which one?

[sterile steeple]

There's no real proof

[tulip minnow]

you guys will know i'm right at the end

we'll just wait

[gentle locust]

^^' mmh... Im not saying you are right or wrong, im saying that there is no proof

so I cant agree

[tulip minnow]

everything builds up

it can't be a bug

[gentle locust]

[sterile steeple]

It's common for youtube music videos to generate non existing transcriptions, the music ending probably fucked with the algorithm

[tulip minnow]

i want a example

send me one

it just makes so much sense neuro says that

[sterile steeple]

There's literal silence at 0:24

[copper acorn]

ok let's say it is intentional

why

[sage pivot]

what's going on

[tulip minnow]

a easter egg

creepy things also conforms to the story

[safe monolith]

that can be said about practically any theory at this point

[tulip minnow]

lore

[tulip minnow]

yes

wait till the next chapter i think

[gentle locust]

[safe monolith]

also the burden of proof is on you for this. auto generated subtitles is a form of lossy information by nature and hence not reliable

[gentle locust]

well its a good theory anyways

[hollow garnet]

https://youtu.be/gw4Li0qRd7A?t=164 has no words

[tulip minnow]

[gentle locust]

i like reading it, I just dont agree on the thank you part, thats all hehe

[hollow garnet]

(make sure you're using the autogenerated subtitles btw)

[tulip minnow]

[tulip minnow]

hmmm

i think you can edit it?

[hollow garnet]

duplicate and edit

[tulip minnow]

not sure if that's a edit button

[stable lake]

you cant edit auto subs

[tulip minnow]

[hollow garnet]

i can't even figure out how to add them to a video

[tulip minnow]

he must have done it some way

[stable lake]

bro you cant

the thank you is youtube fuckery theres 0 chance its intentional

[hollow garnet]

idgi you literally have evidence that this happenss elsewhere

[tulip minnow]

i want to believe

everything is scripted

[stable lake]

(what does idgi stand for )

[hollow garnet]

i don't get it

[stable lake]

oh

[safe monolith]

me neither

Mate, believe what you want, but we are telling you the auto generated subs cannot be edited.

[tulip minnow]

gtg tho bye

[tulip minnow]

[gentle locust]

^^'

[safe monolith]

The theory itself is interesting though, thanks for the effort

[gentle locust]

^^^